Verdict with Ted Cruz - March 15, 2025


The Self Deportation Proclamation, Justice comes to Antisemitic Campuses & COVID-era Loans to Children Week In Review


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Length

26 minutes

Words per Minute

160.31677

Word Count

4,177

Sentence Count

273

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
00:00:02.560 Guaranteed human.
00:00:05.420 Welcome.
00:00:06.140 It is Verdict with Ted Cruz.
00:00:07.580 Week in Review.
00:00:08.660 Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:10.200 And two things I got to tell you before we get into the big stories you may have missed,
00:00:14.160 and that is this.
00:00:15.440 On Monday and on Wednesday, this coming week, we will be joined by Elon Musk.
00:00:22.660 So make sure you do not miss Monday's episode or Wednesday episode.
00:00:26.920 We did the interview at the White House on Friday, and it is going to be one hell of a show.
00:00:34.100 You're not going to want to miss it.
00:00:35.380 There's some news that's broken as well and some big things from Elon Musk that will blow you away.
00:00:41.420 So again, make sure you hit that subscribe or auto-download button.
00:00:44.980 And on Monday and Wednesday, we will be joined by Elon Musk on Verdict.
00:00:50.320 Now, here are the big stories you may have missed that we talked about this week.
00:00:54.240 First up, it is a reverse Uno card, as the app that used to let you just run into America,
00:01:01.120 the Biden administration used, is now a self-deporting app.
00:01:05.500 I'll give you those details in a moment.
00:01:07.480 Also, the Biden administration did nothing to stop the anti-Semitic protests on college campuses.
00:01:14.020 Well, now some of those students are being arrested.
00:01:17.100 We'll have the difference maker in what's happening at the White House behind this.
00:01:21.520 And finally, Elon Musk and Doge have uncovered unbelievable amounts of loans going to children,
00:01:28.900 young children during the pandemic.
00:01:31.760 It's the Week in Review, and it starts right now.
00:01:35.220 Let's deal with a really fun story, and it deals with an app.
00:01:39.400 It is, I call it the reverse Uno card.
00:01:42.520 You remember that app that allowed for countless people to come into this country
00:01:46.620 and just walk in knowing they were here illegally, and it was an app that was exploited
00:01:51.260 by the Biden-Harris administration.
00:01:53.740 Well, we've got a reverse Uno card now, Senator, because we've got a new app,
00:01:57.800 and it does actually the exact opposite of that, which is you can hurry up and self-deport yourself.
00:02:04.340 Well, it's beautiful.
00:02:05.080 So the Biden administration launched an app called the CBP-1 app.
00:02:10.660 And here's what Bill Mellugian, who is the best reporter on immigration for Fox News,
00:02:15.400 here's what he reported.
00:02:16.620 Quote,
00:02:17.360 Scoop, the Trump admin has repurposed the controversial Biden-era CBP-1 cell phone app
00:02:24.380 into a self-deportation app called CBP-Home that launches today.
00:02:31.640 DHS tells me any migrants who had prior CBP-1 app will have it auto-update to this new app.
00:02:42.240 And DHS can use data from prior CBP-1 registrations to track migrants for removal.
00:02:49.960 The new app allows illegal aliens and migrants in the U.S. to register with CBP to self-deport.
00:02:56.840 They fill out biographical information, including their countries of citizenship,
00:03:01.980 which country they plan to return to, their alien registration numbers, contact information,
00:03:08.280 and it allows them to upload photos of themselves to confirm their identity.
00:03:13.400 All of it then is submitted to CBP as they leave the country.
00:03:18.380 You may ask yourself, why would an illegal alien want to self-deport?
00:03:23.400 In a statement to Fox News, DHS Secretary Christy Noem answered the question.
00:03:29.220 Quote,
00:03:29.960 The CBP-Home app gives aliens the option to leave now and self-deport
00:03:35.580 so they may still have the opportunity to return legally in the future and live the American dream.
00:03:43.680 If they don't, we will find them, we will deport them, and they will never return, Noem said.
00:03:50.620 The Biden administration exploited the CBP-1 app to allow more than 1 million aliens to enter the United States.
00:03:58.420 With the launching of CBP-Home app, we are restoring integrity to our immigration system.
00:04:04.660 This may be one of the simplest yet biggest turn of events for a win on law and order at our southern border
00:04:12.200 dealing with the issue of illegal immigration.
00:04:14.460 I just got to say, well done to the Trump administration on this one, and they keep paying off on their promises to the American people.
00:04:22.260 So, Ben, I got to say, I don't know if this is going to work or not, but I got to say, if you're an illegal immigrant,
00:04:28.020 you came to this country, you went to a human trafficker, you were coming from, say, Central America,
00:04:33.980 came up through Mexico, and the Biden administration said, hey, we've got an app.
00:04:38.520 Fill out your information.
00:04:39.400 You can come here, and we'll let you in.
00:04:41.860 And you filled it out.
00:04:42.760 You came to America.
00:04:43.980 And suddenly over your cell phone, you get, oh, crap.
00:04:47.280 Wait, they want me to go home?
00:04:49.140 And if I don't go home, they're going to find me.
00:04:51.300 They're going to arrest me.
00:04:52.100 They're going to send me home.
00:04:53.220 And the consequences are I can never come back.
00:04:56.840 I don't know how many people are going to respond to this, but I think this is fabulous.
00:05:00.940 Listen, my view on immigration is simple.
00:05:03.320 I've summed up my immigration view in four words many times, legal, good, illegal, bad.
00:05:10.220 For the people who are here illegally, the Trump administration is leaning in, saying we're going to secure the border.
00:05:17.200 We're going to remove you.
00:05:18.500 And by the way, going back to our first story, if you were a pro-Hamas, radical, anti-Semite protester,
00:05:26.120 and you're not a U.S. citizen, bye-bye.
00:05:30.780 You're going to be deported.
00:05:32.120 You're going to be expelled.
00:05:33.020 You're going to be thrown out of this country.
00:05:35.020 That is a view that makes an enormous amount of sense to me.
00:05:39.080 And we will see.
00:05:41.040 And by the way, if we get the data on how many people have used this app, we'll report on this data on this podcast.
00:05:48.860 But the simple act of saying, all right, the prior administration opened up our borders and let you in.
00:05:56.420 We're now enforcing them.
00:05:58.120 I say bravo, bravo, bravo.
00:06:01.300 Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, you can go back and listen to the full podcast from earlier this week.
00:06:07.500 Now on to story number two.
00:06:09.380 And this is something that you guys have also been focused on on Capitol Hill when it comes to calling out the Biden administration
00:06:16.980 for doing nothing about the anti-Semitic protests that took place on our college campuses.
00:06:23.940 And part of this is you've got to have a spotlight on it.
00:06:27.040 Yep.
00:06:27.460 So this past week, the Senate Judiciary Committee had a hearing on anti-Semitism.
00:06:31.680 Now, you might think, given the massive rise in anti-Semitism, particularly following October 7th,
00:06:38.180 given the acts of violence against Jews across America, you might think the Senate Judiciary Committee would be looking at this.
00:06:44.560 Do you know how many hearings we had on anti-Semitism when the Democrats had the gavel?
00:06:48.180 I'm going to go out on a limb and say zero.
00:06:50.140 Wow.
00:06:50.640 You got it precisely right to the 100 decimal point.
00:06:53.640 That would be 0.000.
00:06:56.080 They do not care at all.
00:06:58.900 If you listen every day, I don't usually get these trick questions right.
00:07:02.240 Even a blind squirrel.
00:07:05.320 Not a one.
00:07:06.140 So, a month into the new Congress, Republicans have the majority.
00:07:11.060 We held a hearing this past week on anti-Semitism.
00:07:13.500 The Democrats were terrified.
00:07:15.520 They didn't want to talk about it.
00:07:17.200 But I took the opportunity.
00:07:19.760 Listen, I've got to say, this issue pisses me off what we've seen happen to our schools.
00:07:23.880 And so I want you to listen to my questioning of the witnesses and what I had to say last week at the hearing on anti-Semitism.
00:07:29.960 Give a listen.
00:07:30.420 Anti-Semitism is evil, it is wrong, and it is flourishing with the acquiescence and, in many cases, active participation of students, of faculty, of administrators, and government officials.
00:07:45.260 And sadly, the Democrat Party has a deep and pervasive problem confronting this evil.
00:07:51.180 For the last two years, in the wake of October 7th, this committee held zero hearings on anti-Semitism in the United States, despite the fact that Republicans repeatedly called for it.
00:08:00.760 The acts of violence, prior to October 7th, 3,669 anti-Semitic incidents occurred in the United States.
00:08:09.540 Following October 7th, in less than three months, that number spiked to over 5,000.
00:08:15.100 In 2024, that number skyrocketed to 10,005 anti-Semitic incidents.
00:08:21.960 This problem is particularly acute on our college campuses.
00:08:26.640 Columbia University, Columbia University was a major epicenter where they encouraged, tolerated, and celebrated this vicious and vile anti-Semitism.
00:08:38.440 Rabbi Eli Bueller emailed every Jewish student on campus and said,
00:08:42.560 quote, the events of the last few days have made it clear that Columbia University's public safety cannot guarantee Jewish students' safety in the face of extreme anti-Semitism and anarchy.
00:08:52.440 I would strongly recommend you return home.
00:08:55.320 This is the rabbi at the university saying, your school will not protect your safety.
00:09:02.220 And Columbia didn't do a damn thing about it.
00:09:04.060 And I'll tell you what, the rabbi wasn't crazy.
00:09:07.760 Here is one picture taken on the campus of Columbia.
00:09:10.960 In the back are Jewish students waving American flags and Israeli flags.
00:09:15.980 In the front is a Columbia student wearing a mask because these cowards are oh so brave they cover their faces.
00:09:22.740 holding a handwritten sign that says Al-Qasam's next targets.
00:09:28.120 Al-Qasam is the military branch of Hamas.
00:09:34.500 Understand what this student is saying.
00:09:36.680 She is calling for the murder of her Jewish classmates.
00:09:40.680 And by the way, this student, the internet being what it is, she's been identified now on the internet.
00:09:47.060 This is not a Palestinian who's subject to oppression.
00:09:50.840 This is a rich blonde girl from Atlanta whose parents are multimillionaire real estate developers.
00:09:56.980 And they got so proud, I'm sending my child to an Ivy League education where she'll be indoctrinated to dress up and advocate Hamas murdering Jewish students because they are Jews.
00:10:10.440 Now, if you agree that is evil and vile, let me ask you something.
00:10:16.320 We're the Democrats.
00:10:17.820 Not a one is here.
00:10:19.880 And it's because the Democrat Party has decided the pro-Hamas wing of the party is more important than protecting Jewish students in America.
00:10:27.380 And if you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe Chuck Schumer.
00:10:32.320 Chuck Schumer, texting with Columbia, said the following.
00:10:36.280 On January 4th, then President of Columbia, Shafik, explained to Shipman and her fellow co-chair, David Greenwald, that she had met with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who advised Shafik that universities' political problems about anti-Semitism are really only among Republicans.
00:10:55.100 We, the Democrats, we don't care about this anti-Semitism stuff.
00:10:58.360 Ms. Lewin, am I the only person that has noticed that these anti-Israel, pro-Hamas, anti-Semitic protests, that the tents all match?
00:11:08.340 No, you are not the only one to have noticed.
00:11:11.040 Is it clear that there is significant money funding these attacks on Jewish students and attacks on America?
00:11:16.800 It is clear that there is coordination and there must be some common funding.
00:11:21.340 In the last two years, under the Biden Justice Department, are you aware of any investigation to follow the money behind these protests?
00:11:29.640 I am not.
00:11:30.440 Are you aware of anyone who has been indicted for funding these protests?
00:11:34.440 I am not.
00:11:35.580 Are you aware of any university that has had their Title VI federal funds cut off because they've tolerated welcome, celebrated, and as Senator Hawley put out, had their own officials cheering on anti-Semitism as even one university lost their funding?
00:11:49.420 I am not aware of any university having actually lost their funding.
00:11:53.140 And I'll point out also, some of the defenders say free speech, free speech.
00:11:56.460 You're right.
00:11:56.920 You have a free speech right as an American citizen to say vile, hateful, bigoted things.
00:12:01.400 Let me ask you something.
00:12:02.700 If a university student went into the public square, dressed up in a Klan outfit, burned a cross, and said we should murder African-American students, do you have any doubt the university would expel that student?
00:12:13.900 I am fairly certain that the universities would take action and ensure that their policies would follow.
00:12:19.880 They should expel them.
00:12:20.240 If they're foreign students, they should be deported.
00:12:23.180 And mark my words, if you are horrified at the anti-Semitism, you will see the Trump Department of Justice, follow the money, prosecute the people who are paying for this, prosecute those engaged in violence, and cut off the money from universities that are tolerating and celebrating this.
00:12:40.820 That is the rule of law, and ask yourself, why did the Biden Justice Department do absolutely nothing about this horror that is unfolding?
00:12:49.580 Senator, it was unbelievable to hear you call it out, and I do think we just have to remind people this is systematic on our college campuses, especially the Ivy Leagues.
00:13:00.180 I go back in my head to Harvard, and just the defiance of some of these individuals, when they were testifying before Congress, they had no problem standing with these anti-Semitic protesters.
00:13:15.080 Look, because they believe the same things.
00:13:17.480 The administrators, they have been teaching the same poison.
00:13:21.140 The faculty has been teaching the same poison.
00:13:23.000 And I'll note, that clip you played while I was questioning at the hearing on anti-Semitism, as I noted, not a single Democrat senator was in the room.
00:13:33.800 The hearing room was empty.
00:13:35.960 And that really spoke volumes.
00:13:38.000 They don't want to talk about this.
00:13:40.260 And the problem is a political problem.
00:13:42.220 In today's Democrat Party, there is a real and meaningful pro-Hamas wing of the Democrat Party.
00:13:48.980 And the Democrats are terrified of that pro-Hamas wing of the Democrat Party.
00:13:53.720 The question I've asked repeatedly, and look, most of the people who listen to verdict are, I think, politically right of center or conservative or libertarians.
00:14:02.400 But we actually have a fair number of reporters who listen to verdict.
00:14:05.320 And, you know, I'm hoping we have a handful of open-minded, free-thinking liberals, people who consider themselves left of center, but recognize that if you want to actually have an intelligent understanding of the issues, then you want to hear from a wide spectrum of views and try to process and ascertain what is right.
00:14:26.400 If you at home are one of those, let's say you're a Democrat who lives in New York City, let's say you voted for Kamala Harris, you voted for Joe Biden, maybe you voted for Barack Obama.
00:14:37.160 Now, if you disagree with the pro-Hamas wing of the Democrat Party, if you don't like the vile anti-Semites that have flourished on college campuses and that have threatened the safety of Jewish students, you ought to ask yourself very seriously what happened in the last week.
00:14:54.880 Colombia got its money cut off a one of the organizers of the protests is going to be deported.
00:15:03.760 Why didn't any of that happen under Joe Biden?
00:15:07.380 There was nothing to prevent the Biden administration from doing this.
00:15:10.600 They had every bit of legal authority.
00:15:12.500 As far as I can tell, they didn't even investigate it.
00:15:15.020 They didn't ask where the money came from.
00:15:17.960 I certainly asked the attorney general and the FBI repeatedly if they were doing that.
00:15:21.700 If they were investigating it, they refused to tell the Senate.
00:15:24.440 They refused to tell me.
00:15:26.000 And we do know that no one paid any consequences for it because no one was indicted.
00:15:30.860 And that ends up encouraging more of this.
00:15:34.360 And you have to ask yourself, was that an accident or was there a reason?
00:15:40.000 Listen, if Kamala Harris, God forbid, had been elected president in November.
00:15:44.540 Ben, let me ask you this.
00:15:45.480 What do you think are the odds Columbia would have had that 400 million cut off if Kamala Harris were president?
00:15:49.440 No, zero percent.
00:15:50.720 And I bet you the anti-Semitism would explode on college campuses because they would not have any worries.
00:15:55.680 She might be marching with the pro-Hamas protesters.
00:15:59.520 And by the way, this this organizer who's being deported, the odds of his being deported if Kamala were president are zero.
00:16:07.020 Elections have consequences.
00:16:08.420 And this issue, this issue matters.
00:16:10.220 So, Senator, let's take people back in time to a campaign promise from the president.
00:16:15.580 He made it clear that if you are one of these students that is from overseas, has gotten a special invitation, the ability to come and study in America.
00:16:25.580 And you are on campuses and you're, you know, actually going out there and advocating for violence and and taking over buildings on college campuses.
00:16:37.160 We're going to kick you out of this country.
00:16:39.540 Well, guess what?
00:16:40.300 There was one radical on a college campus.
00:16:43.780 This is exactly what happened is ICE detained.
00:16:46.260 And they said, look, we're going to revoke your green card.
00:16:48.660 And now Democrats are protesting the arrest of the Syrian radical in New York.
00:16:54.120 Yeah, it really is astonishing.
00:16:57.020 And let's look at what happened in the United States following October 7th.
00:17:01.260 Following October 7th, we saw protests on college campuses across this country, predominantly in left wing college campuses in blue states, where radical pro-Hamas protesters stood up and they denounced Israel.
00:17:16.900 They chanted things like, we love Hamas.
00:17:19.760 We are Hamas.
00:17:21.080 They threatened Jewish students.
00:17:23.200 They engaged in acts of violence and they threatened even more acts of violence.
00:17:28.760 And astonishingly, Ben, the Democrats were silent.
00:17:32.540 You know, there are some folks who said in the wake of these protests, well, gosh, it's terrible, but they're happening all over the country.
00:17:39.260 That's not right.
00:17:40.780 They were only happening in blue states with blue elected officials.
00:17:45.840 They happened in New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Illinois, California, Washington State.
00:17:55.460 They didn't happen to Florida.
00:17:57.160 They didn't happen in Texas.
00:17:58.500 Actually, in Texas, we briefly had protesters at the University of Texas and officials sent in police officers that arrested them all.
00:18:07.300 And it was done within a day.
00:18:08.660 The places that it happened, it happened because the university administrators agreed with the protesters and the elected officials.
00:18:17.200 They had been indoctrinated in the leftist ideology that said Israel is the bad guy and Hamas is the good guy.
00:18:24.480 Now, one of the things you and I have talked about at length, and by the way, if you did not listen to Monday's podcast, you should listen to Monday's podcast because we did a deep dive on the Trump administration, rightly cutting off $400 million of grants to Columbia University.
00:18:40.120 Columbia was probably the single worst actor in all of these universities in terms of tolerating and celebrating these anti-Israel, anti-Jewish protests.
00:18:50.600 But not only that, arresting a pro-Hamas protester.
00:18:54.940 And let me be clear.
00:18:57.200 This is the first of many.
00:18:59.040 I believe we will see many more of the pro-Hamas protesters arrested and deported.
00:19:05.420 And what I've said from the beginning, if you are threatening other students, if you are attacking America, if you are embracing terrorists, and you're a foreign student, you should be expelled and you should be deported.
00:19:19.040 And what happened, Mahmoud Khalil, who is from Syria, he came to the United States, my understanding is in 2022, he came to be a student at Columbia.
00:19:31.460 He married a woman from the United States.
00:19:35.420 He got a green card.
00:19:37.240 So 2022 is three years ago.
00:19:39.060 It's not very long.
00:19:39.700 He got a green card very quickly.
00:19:41.260 And in his time in America, he came into America and he organized anti-America, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, pro-Hamas protests.
00:19:49.240 Now, it's interesting.
00:19:51.240 There have been a number of people online, a number of leftists who are saying, well, this is free speech.
00:19:54.940 This is allowed.
00:19:56.000 Let me be clear.
00:19:57.060 Under U.S. law, American citizens are protected by the First Amendment.
00:20:02.340 Foreigners are not.
00:20:03.340 And a visa to come to this country as a student, that is a permissive decision.
00:20:09.000 And you do not have a right, if you are a guest to this country, to actively undermine America.
00:20:14.940 Let me be clear to anyone.
00:20:15.900 If you hate America, if you want to undermine America, do not come to this country.
00:20:21.140 And the Trump administration rightly arrested and plans to deport Mahmoud Khalil for organizing anti-Israel, anti-America, pro-Hamas protests.
00:20:33.640 And what's stunning, Ben, what do you think the reaction of the Democrats is to this?
00:20:37.520 They stand with Khalil.
00:20:40.180 They stand with the anti-Israel, pro-Hamas protesters.
00:20:44.120 So if you want to know where you stand, if you stand with Israel, if you stand with American Jews, if you stand with freedom, if you stand with the right to be free from oppression and violence, that ain't the Democrats.
00:20:58.220 They stand with those engaged violence.
00:21:01.200 As before, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation on this topic, you can go back and download the podcast from early this week to hear the entire thing.
00:21:09.500 I want to get back to the big story, number three of the week you may have missed.
00:21:14.880 I want to move to this other story, and the headline is one that is not a joke.
00:21:19.680 It is real.
00:21:21.820 Doge has now said that they have uncovered $312 million, Senator, in loans that were given to children during the COVID pandemic.
00:21:35.640 Yes, to children like 9-year-olds, 11-year-olds, there was $312 million that was approved and given to children.
00:21:45.200 Well, you said this is not a joke, and sadly, I wish it was.
00:21:48.940 Here's what Fox News has reported.
00:21:50.540 Quote, Doge said it identified the Small Business Association administration, I assume, granted nearly 5,600 loans for $312 million to borrowers who only listed owner was 11 years old or younger at the time of the loan.
00:22:12.740 The loans were issued in 2020 and 2021, and it is unclear what they were used for.
00:22:18.620 Quote, while it is possible to have business arrangements where this is legal, 593 loans, as they all also used a Social Security number with the incorrect name.
00:22:32.540 Doge and the SBA government are working together to solve this problem this week.
00:22:36.480 While making the announcement, Doge shared a post on X from Tuesday, where it also revealed that in 2020 and 2021, the SBA issued 3,095 loans for $333 million to borrowers over 115 years old.
00:22:58.880 The borrowers were still marked as alive in the Social Security database.
00:23:04.740 In one case, a 157-year-old individual received $36,000 in loans, the agency said.
00:23:14.760 Look, this is, I feel very confident that nobody is 157 years old, and if they are and they're getting $36,000, that is fraud.
00:23:26.660 It's fraud, and we all know this.
00:23:29.620 And look, this goes back to what President Trump said in his address to Congress on Tuesday.
00:23:34.280 When he talked about, he said there was millions of people aged over 100 that were listed on Social Security databases, with one being as old as 360 years of age.
00:23:44.200 And I go back to Trump's quote there.
00:23:46.080 So I want to know, is that guy the vampire Lestat, is he like literally an ageless vampire who like flies with the bats?
00:23:58.740 Yeah, right, exactly.
00:23:59.880 And this goes back to Elon Musk and a job that he's doing that I got to say, rarely in my life I thought there's a job that only one guy could do well.
00:24:08.320 No, it seems to be Doge and Elon Musk, because finding this type of waste, fraud, and abuse is exactly what Donald Trump promised, and they're paying off on it.
00:24:18.200 But every American that pays taxes should be enraged by the fact that we're giving this much money to people that are children, or this much money to someone that's as old as 360 years of age.
00:24:32.100 To be clear, if you're giving millions of dollars to a five-year-old, you're not.
00:24:38.500 That is an adult engaged in theft.
00:24:41.400 If you're giving millions of dollars to someone who's 150 years old, you're not.
00:24:46.960 That is an adult engaged in theft.
00:24:49.140 What this report indicates is that the Biden administration didn't give a damn about whether the money was actually going to real people who had real needs, who were engaged in the purposes for which Congress appropriated the money.
00:25:03.420 Instead, they were just shoveling money out the door, and tragically, the fraud was rampant.
00:25:10.140 In many instances, the fraud was going to radical left-wing Democrat groups because the Biden administration believed in paying off their buddies.
00:25:19.320 In other cases, they're just lazy.
00:25:20.880 They don't care.
00:25:21.520 When a six-year-old puts in an application for government money, the answer should be no, because you're six, and you ought to be playing with blocks in kindergarten and not trying to get millions of dollars from the government.
00:25:33.700 But if you're a corrupt Democrat, you give the millions of dollars and let the parents use it for the political purposes they want.
00:25:40.460 As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
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