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Verdict with Ted Cruz
- April 09, 2025
THREE Supreme Court Victories against Lawfare Attacking the Trump Administration, plus 4 MILL Illegals w Social Security Numbers
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This is an iHeart Podcast.
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Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz.
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Nice to have you with us on this Wednesday morning.
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And we get to start with good news, Senator,
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and that is there are three different rulings
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that have come down from the Supreme Court
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all in favor of the Trump administration.
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Well, that's right, and it's very encouraging.
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You know, we've talked about at length on this podcast
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how the lawfare that is unfolding
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against the Trump administration,
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the pattern of nationwide injunctions
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has in the last three months
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exceeded what has happened in the last 20 years.
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It's exceeded what happened in the entire 20th century
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in terms of the number of nationwide injunctions
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issued against the Trump administration.
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Well, the good news is in the last couple of days,
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we've had not one, not two,
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but three Supreme Court victories
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for the Trump Department of Justice
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against these nationwide injunctions.
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We're going to break down all three of them
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and lay out, we've talked about on this podcast
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how the principal check on this abuse of power
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that's going to be effective
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is the appellate process and the Supreme Court.
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It's encouraging now we have three victories.
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We're also going to talk about a new report from Doge
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that over 4 million Social Security numbers
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were given to illegal aliens,
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people who are not U.S. citizens.
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And finally, we've seen the growing pattern
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of men competing in women's sports.
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This past week, it went viral.
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A woman competing in fencing faced a man,
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a man identifying as a woman,
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and she declined to compete.
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The woman took a knee and ended up being disqualified.
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Disqualified because she declined to compete
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against a biological man.
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That was wrong.
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That was an abuse of power.
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And as the chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee,
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I am holding USA fencing to account.
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We're going to explain all of that
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and what the consequences are.
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Yeah, that story is truly shocking.
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The details we're going to have for you.
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Make sure you take this podcast
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because these stories are ones
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that the media is not covering
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and we need your help getting it out there.
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I also want to take a moment
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and tell you about the IFCJ.
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So, missile fire has resumed from the Houthis,
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Senator, this is a big deal,
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these rulings that you mentioned
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in the lead-in there in the show,
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because it's not just one, not two,
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but three victories for the Trump administration,
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and no one's covering this.
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No, that's exactly right.
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And let's start with the most prominent one,
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which is the Supreme Court on Monday
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lifted a judge's order
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that had blocked the deportation
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of suspected Venezuelan gang members
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to a prison in El Salvador.
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And it was the Trump administration
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was removing these gang members
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under an 18th century law
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known as the Alien Enemies Act.
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And you'll recall a district judge,
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James Bozberg,
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had ordered the halt
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of the removals under the act.
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And in fact, President Trump
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had called for Judge Bozberg's impeachment
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as a result of that.
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Well, the court issued a 5-4 decision
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that blocked the judge's order
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stopping the deportation.
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The vote was 5-4.
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So it was close.
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5-4.
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It was a per curiam decision.
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In the majority were the Chief Justice,
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Clarence Thomas,
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Samuel Alito,
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Neil Gorsuch,
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and Brett Kavanaugh.
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And a whole lot of attention
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has been focused on the fact
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that Amy Coney Barrett
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voted with the liberals on this.
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And so it was a 5-4 decision.
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Nonetheless, it's a victory
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in that what the court concluded
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was that if you wanted
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to challenge the deportation,
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that you could not do so in D.C.,
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which is where they filed the case.
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Instead, you had to file it
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as a habeas corpus petition.
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What is a habeas corpus petition?
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Habeas corpus is a Latin term.
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It means produce the body.
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And habeas corpus is a civil avenue
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to justify someone's unlawful detention.
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But the court said,
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look, these individuals,
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these gang members were detained
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at the time the case was filed
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in South Texas.
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They said the right place
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to file the case is in South Texas,
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not D.C.
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They weren't being held in D.C.
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They were being held in South Texas.
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So the right avenue to challenge this
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was to file a habeas corpus petition
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in South Texas.
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And they said you shouldn't do so
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as a class action
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on behalf of everyone,
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which is what had been done here.
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Rather, each individual defendant,
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if you have a claim,
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so look, if you've been detained,
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if you're getting ready to be deported,
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and they say you're a
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Venezuelan gang member,
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if you have a claim
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that I'm not a Venezuelan gang member,
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the facts are wrong.
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They said the avenue to do that
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is go and file a habeas corpus petition
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in the location
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where you're being detained.
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That was 5-4.
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I wish it had been 9-0.
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That was clearly right.
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Now, the court did say
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that anyone who is being detained
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and being deported,
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they should have reasonable notice
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under due process
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to have the challenge,
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the opportunity to challenge
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their detention and deportation.
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But this victory is a big,
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big victory
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in what had been,
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I think,
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an egregious order
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from the district court
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trying to stop the deportation
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of really, really dangerous criminals.
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Well, let me ask you a question
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because you mentioned it there,
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and I think it'd be crazy
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if I didn't ask it
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because there's so many people asking.
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Why was there a,
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what many would consider
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a conservative justice,
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go with the Democrats
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in this decision?
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As an aside here,
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that was obviously part of the headline
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that we saw on social media.
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Yeah, look,
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I don't have a good answer.
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I think it is unfortunate.
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I disagree with her decision on that.
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In this case,
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look,
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the left,
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but both the Democrats
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and activist judges
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and left-wing radical legal groups
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are challenging any deportation.
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The Trump administration
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relied on a law
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called the Alien Enemies Act,
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which is a law
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that was signed into law
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in 1798
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by President John Adams.
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And what the Trump administration did
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is it classified
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a transnational criminal gang,
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Tranda Aragua,
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as an arm of a hostile government,
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Venezuela.
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And based on that law,
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there are very broad
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legal authorities
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to deport
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those who are part
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of a hostile government
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waging war
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on the United States.
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That was the basis
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of the deportations.
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The district judge,
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Judge Bozberg,
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had tried to shut down
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all these deportations
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and thankfully,
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the Supreme Court,
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by a vote of five to four,
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ended that and said,
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if you've got an issue
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with a particular deportation,
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bring a case,
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but bring it in the location
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where the individual is detained.
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And they did say,
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you've got to give them
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a reasonable time
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to challenge it.
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And so that presumably
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will slow down
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the deportation slightly,
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but I don't expect
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it will slow it down much.
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It may slow it down
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a matter of days
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rather than months.
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And to be clear,
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this is a victory
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because it allows
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the president
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to continue doing
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what he wanted to do
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when it comes to deportations.
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If this would have gone
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the other way,
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this could have been catastrophic.
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No, that's exactly right.
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Look, the election in November
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was a clear mandate
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to secure the border
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and to end the invasion
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at our southern border.
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And the Trump administration
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has been following through
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on that mandate
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and has been deporting
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vast numbers
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of criminal illegal aliens.
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The left is losing their mind.
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And that was the basis
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of this injunction.
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Thankfully,
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the Supreme Court reversed that.
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Now, there's another victory
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that occurred,
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which is another 5-4 decision
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where the Supreme Court
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concluded that it was okay
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to cancel $600 million
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in teacher training grants.
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$65 million of that
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had yet to be distributed.
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And there you had
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a different majority.
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You had Clarence Thomas,
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Samuel Alito,
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Neil Gorsuch,
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Brett Kavanaugh,
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and Amy Coney Barrett.
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So she was in the 5-4.
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The chief justice
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joined the liberals.
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So in the Venezuelan case,
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Amy Coney Barrett
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joined the liberals.
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In the case about
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canceling the teacher
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training grants,
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it was the chief justice
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who joined the liberals.
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And what the court concluded
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in this other case
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is that that should have been brought
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in the court of federal claims.
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That if you have a claim
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against money being given
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from the federal government,
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that the proper venue
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for challenging that
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is the court of federal claims.
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Now, look,
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some might say,
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gosh,
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these decisions are narrow
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and technical.
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And they are.
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But that being said,
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they're nonetheless victories
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against district judges
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that are engaged in lawfare,
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that are trying to shut down
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the Trump administration's agenda
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and the agenda
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they were elected
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to implement
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by the American people.
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So when you look at this,
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these, really,
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these three big decisions,
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does this also empower
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the Trump team
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and administration
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to do their job now
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saying, hey,
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we now know
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that when we go to court,
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we're going to be,
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our side is going to be
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at least listened to
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and it's not stacked against us
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and we're doing the right thing
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within the law.
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So yes and no.
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No, we've only talked about
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two of the cases.
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Let me talk about the third one.
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The third one was
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there was an order
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from a district judge
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that was ordering
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the Trump administration
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to reinstate
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16,000 federal employees
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that it had fired.
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Yeah.
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And that went to the Supreme Court
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and the Supreme Court
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actually by a vote of 72
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reversed it
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and they said
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that these federal employees
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did not have to be reinstated.
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The two liberal justices
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that dissented
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were Sonia Sotomayor
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and Ketanji Brown Jackson
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but the full court,
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what happened in that case,
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it was an injunction
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that was issued
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by Judge William Alsep
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who was a district judge
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in San Francisco
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and he required
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the reinstatement
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of probationary employments
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at multiple agencies
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that the Trump administration
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had sought to dismiss.
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The judge was appointed
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by Bill Clinton
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and the judge concluded
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that the administration
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hadn't followed
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the proper procedures
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for the firing.
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Well, the Supreme Court
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disagreed
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and 72,
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they reversed that
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which is yet another victory.
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So if you look
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at the combination of these,
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you have a victory
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for deporting
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violent criminal gang member
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illegal aliens.
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You have a victory
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for canceling
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grants that were given
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and grants that were given
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in the Trump administration's view
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inappropriately.
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And you have a victory
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for dismissing
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16,000 primarily
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probationary employees
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from federal agencies.
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In all three of them,
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you had federal district judges
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that had stepped in
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and said,
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no, we're going to stop you
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from carrying out
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this agenda.
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And in all three of them,
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the Supreme Court,
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albeit on technical grounds,
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reversed or vacated
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the district court's orders.
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This is a very,
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very good development
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because it's exactly
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what we talked about.
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The remedy
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for lawless decisions
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by district courts,
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the best remedy
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is the appellate process
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and the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Now we've talked about
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on this podcast
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how there are other remedies,
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how Congress could pass
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legislation limiting
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nationwide injunctions.
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I support that.
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In fact,
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I'm the co-sponsor
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of legislation
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to do that,
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but the problem is
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the Democrats
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will filibuster that.
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It will never get 60 votes.
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Another possible remedy
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is impeachment.
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It is possible
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the House of Representatives
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could impeach
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a district judge
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who had egregiously
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abused his power.
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That takes simply
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a majority vote
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in the House of Representatives,
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218.
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The Republicans
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could vote to do that.
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However,
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Senator,
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let's talk also
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about this other
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shocking news
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that's come out
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that's been exposed
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with Doge
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and that is
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that there were
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a whole lot
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of illegal immigrants
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that were receiving
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social security numbers
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right away.
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It made them eligible
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government aid,
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and was costing
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American taxpayers
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hundreds of billions
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of dollars
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and this was all
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done on purpose
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by the prior
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administration.
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Yeah,
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that's exactly
00:16:25.280
right.
00:16:25.760
You know,
00:16:26.000
there's a great
00:16:26.740
story about this
00:16:27.560
in the Daily Wire.
00:16:28.860
It begins with,
00:16:30.220
quote,
00:16:30.840
according to the
00:16:31.460
latest numbers
00:16:32.060
reported by the
00:16:32.840
Department of
00:16:33.320
Government Efficiency,
00:16:34.360
Doge,
00:16:35.300
nearly 4 million
00:16:37.280
non-citizens
00:16:38.380
were issued
00:16:39.440
social security
00:16:40.120
numbers in the
00:16:40.740
United States
00:16:41.360
during former
00:16:42.480
President Joe
00:16:43.240
Biden's time
00:16:43.880
in the White
00:16:44.260
House.
00:16:45.320
Stuart Varney
00:16:45.900
broke down
00:16:46.420
some of the
00:16:46.820
details during
00:16:47.520
Tuesday morning's
00:16:48.340
broadcast of his
00:16:49.200
Fox Business
00:16:49.840
show,
00:16:50.780
showing how the
00:16:51.900
numbers exploded
00:16:52.900
from 270,425
00:16:56.060
in Biden's
00:16:57.640
first year in
00:16:58.320
office,
00:16:59.500
up to
00:17:00.260
2,095,247
00:17:05.940
in his last
00:17:06.740
year as
00:17:07.240
president.
00:17:07.940
And in fact,
00:17:08.620
we've got that
00:17:09.340
audio of Stuart.
00:17:10.240
I want to play it
00:17:10.880
for everybody.
00:17:11.620
Take a listen.
00:17:12.980
Doge exposed
00:17:14.060
our immigration
00:17:14.820
asylum disaster.
00:17:16.400
That was the
00:17:16.880
tip of the iceberg.
00:17:17.900
Now,
00:17:18.060
here's the story.
00:17:19.420
Doge has found
00:17:20.140
that immigration
00:17:20.900
gave a work
00:17:22.220
authorization
00:17:22.800
document to
00:17:23.760
illegals just
00:17:24.920
five months
00:17:26.000
after they
00:17:26.620
filed for
00:17:27.820
asylum.
00:17:28.440
That document
00:17:29.240
allowed them
00:17:29.780
to work while
00:17:30.840
they waited to
00:17:31.540
hear whether
00:17:32.000
their asylum
00:17:32.620
request had
00:17:33.180
been accepted
00:17:33.680
or denied.
00:17:34.440
So, they
00:17:35.220
could work
00:17:35.880
as an illegal
00:17:36.620
knowing it
00:17:37.900
would take
00:17:38.280
years before
00:17:39.420
their case
00:17:39.900
was heard.
00:17:40.860
The
00:17:41.200
immigration
00:17:41.620
department
00:17:42.180
mailed them
00:17:43.240
a social
00:17:44.160
security number.
00:17:45.200
No interview,
00:17:46.200
no proof of
00:17:46.720
identity.
00:17:47.260
Just put it
00:17:47.620
in the mail.
00:17:48.100
Here's your
00:17:48.380
number.
00:17:48.580
In 2021,
00:17:50.640
Doge says
00:17:51.200
270,000 new
00:17:53.240
aliens were
00:17:53.940
issued social
00:17:54.640
security numbers,
00:17:55.900
590,000 in
00:17:57.320
2022,
00:17:58.540
964,000 in
00:18:00.420
2023,
00:18:01.580
and 2.1
00:18:02.620
million in
00:18:03.100
2024, right
00:18:03.960
before Biden
00:18:04.660
left office.
00:18:05.940
Doge also
00:18:06.580
discovered that
00:18:07.620
1.3 million
00:18:08.980
aliens are now
00:18:09.880
receiving Medicaid.
00:18:11.840
Millions received
00:18:12.740
driver's licenses.
00:18:13.940
Some registered
00:18:14.540
to vote, and
00:18:15.180
Doge says some
00:18:15.920
actually did vote.
00:18:17.260
Try and square
00:18:18.260
that against
00:18:19.280
Democrat claims
00:18:20.220
that Musk is
00:18:20.800
destroying social
00:18:21.940
security and
00:18:22.880
cutting Medicaid.
00:18:24.240
He's not
00:18:24.640
destroying.
00:18:25.660
He's weeding
00:18:26.180
out people who
00:18:26.780
don't qualify,
00:18:27.900
who is really
00:18:28.700
guilty of
00:18:29.400
misinformation in
00:18:30.240
this case.
00:18:30.820
It is not
00:18:31.620
Elon Musk.
00:18:32.960
By the way,
00:18:33.500
one of the
00:18:33.860
things that he
00:18:34.300
said there was
00:18:34.960
we were mailing
00:18:35.680
out these
00:18:36.440
social security
00:18:37.360
cards to
00:18:38.140
people that
00:18:38.640
had no
00:18:39.320
proof of
00:18:40.000
who they
00:18:40.280
were,
00:18:40.920
no proof of
00:18:41.660
identity,
00:18:42.040
just here you
00:18:42.560
go, sign up,
00:18:43.440
and bam,
00:18:43.860
we'll give you
00:18:44.180
a bunch of
00:18:44.540
government aid,
00:18:45.060
including, as he
00:18:46.180
mentioned there,
00:18:46.580
Medicaid.
00:18:47.580
Yeah, no, it's
00:18:48.120
an amazing
00:18:48.560
quote.
00:18:49.260
No interview,
00:18:50.500
no proof of
00:18:51.540
identity, just
00:18:52.980
put it in the
00:18:53.720
mail.
00:18:54.600
And the
00:18:55.140
important thing
00:18:55.720
to understand,
00:18:56.400
this was not
00:18:57.160
by accident.
00:18:58.500
This is not
00:18:59.340
because the
00:19:00.140
Biden administration
00:19:01.260
was incompetent.
00:19:02.840
It's not because
00:19:03.620
they're lazy.
00:19:05.000
This was their
00:19:06.460
intention.
00:19:07.260
You don't go
00:19:07.900
from 200,000
00:19:09.200
to 2 million
00:19:10.480
in four years
00:19:11.520
by accident.
00:19:13.000
They made
00:19:14.640
a conscious
00:19:15.180
decision.
00:19:16.320
Number one,
00:19:16.960
the 12 million
00:19:17.600
illegal immigrants
00:19:18.360
that invaded
00:19:19.040
this country
00:19:19.700
under Joe
00:19:20.180
Biden,
00:19:21.080
they made
00:19:21.540
a conscious
00:19:21.980
decision,
00:19:22.640
let's open
00:19:23.080
up our
00:19:23.400
borders,
00:19:23.840
we want
00:19:24.200
this to
00:19:24.540
happen.
00:19:25.320
Number two,
00:19:26.160
the 4 million
00:19:27.240
non-citizens
00:19:28.140
who got
00:19:28.440
social security
00:19:28.980
numbers,
00:19:29.740
they made
00:19:30.220
a conscious
00:19:30.660
decision.
00:19:31.440
We want
00:19:32.060
every one
00:19:33.160
of them,
00:19:33.600
look,
00:19:34.100
the reason
00:19:34.820
why,
00:19:35.600
you know,
00:19:36.000
I've had
00:19:36.280
people ask
00:19:36.720
me,
00:19:37.000
why would
00:19:37.480
the Democrats
00:19:38.020
allow this
00:19:39.540
horrific invasion?
00:19:40.460
It hurt them
00:19:40.980
politically,
00:19:41.460
it hurt them
00:19:41.840
badly.
00:19:43.100
Don't any
00:19:43.960
of them
00:19:44.280
say,
00:19:44.600
gosh,
00:19:44.920
this is
00:19:45.260
egregious?
00:19:46.060
And it's
00:19:47.060
a simple
00:19:47.500
political
00:19:47.920
calculus.
00:19:49.020
I believe
00:19:49.620
the Democrats
00:19:50.400
decided every
00:19:51.720
illegal immigrant
00:19:52.400
in America
00:19:53.200
is a future
00:19:53.880
Democrat voter,
00:19:55.200
and so
00:19:56.100
we'll take
00:19:57.400
12 million,
00:19:58.300
even if it
00:19:58.760
includes murderers
00:19:59.800
and rapists
00:20:00.280
and child
00:20:00.720
molesters
00:20:01.140
and gang
00:20:02.360
members,
00:20:02.840
because we
00:20:04.240
want power.
00:20:05.820
And so
00:20:06.260
hand-in-hand
00:20:07.180
with that
00:20:07.780
is giving
00:20:08.860
them social
00:20:09.460
security numbers
00:20:10.240
even if
00:20:10.840
it's
00:20:11.080
fraudulent,
00:20:12.160
they don't
00:20:12.780
care,
00:20:13.520
and this
00:20:14.260
is yet
00:20:14.840
another
00:20:15.160
example
00:20:15.760
of the
00:20:16.600
abuse of
00:20:17.240
power we've
00:20:17.880
seen over
00:20:18.280
the last
00:20:18.860
four years
00:20:19.900
in particular
00:20:20.600
that is being
00:20:21.720
exposed by
00:20:22.620
Elon Musk
00:20:23.280
and by
00:20:23.780
President Trump.
00:20:25.320
So how do
00:20:25.760
we turn
00:20:26.220
this off?
00:20:26.900
I mean,
00:20:27.220
there's this
00:20:27.900
many that are
00:20:28.480
out there,
00:20:29.000
and if you
00:20:29.340
go back over
00:20:30.040
the numbers
00:20:30.500
that you
00:20:30.940
mentioned
00:20:31.920
and that
00:20:33.080
Stuart
00:20:33.600
mentioned
00:20:34.000
there,
00:20:34.440
the number
00:20:35.020
of people
00:20:35.740
that got
00:20:37.040
these social
00:20:37.580
security cards
00:20:38.740
just in
00:20:39.900
the fiscal
00:20:40.320
year 2024
00:20:41.000
over 2
00:20:41.860
million,
00:20:42.620
about a
00:20:43.100
million and
00:20:43.480
23,
00:20:44.560
500 or
00:20:45.260
90,000,
00:20:46.000
almost 600,022
00:20:47.080
and 270,000
00:20:48.720
in 2021.
00:20:49.680
How do we
00:20:50.120
turn those
00:20:50.700
off?
00:20:51.220
How do we
00:20:51.660
say, no,
00:20:52.700
you don't
00:20:53.080
need this,
00:20:53.780
and you were
00:20:54.460
given, this was
00:20:55.420
abuse of power,
00:20:56.880
no, we're not
00:20:57.620
going to have you
00:20:58.220
getting all this
00:20:58.840
free government
00:20:59.320
aid.
00:20:59.980
Is that where
00:21:00.660
Congress has to
00:21:01.500
step in and
00:21:01.980
say, hey, we
00:21:02.980
got to go back
00:21:03.660
through all these
00:21:04.440
non-citizens and
00:21:05.120
social security numbers
00:21:05.960
that have been
00:21:06.300
issued and
00:21:06.860
connect the dots
00:21:08.340
of those that
00:21:09.460
were issued,
00:21:10.100
are you getting
00:21:10.840
government aid?
00:21:12.240
Yes, Congress
00:21:13.520
should act, but
00:21:14.420
at the same time,
00:21:15.760
I think the
00:21:16.240
Trump administration
00:21:16.920
has ample
00:21:17.800
authority to act,
00:21:18.700
and I think
00:21:19.100
Elon Musk
00:21:19.800
views that really
00:21:21.100
as a very
00:21:21.640
significant part
00:21:22.440
of his mandate.
00:21:23.520
You know, one
00:21:23.900
of the things
00:21:24.340
Stuart Varney
00:21:25.300
reported on,
00:21:26.120
he said,
00:21:26.480
quote,
00:21:27.380
Doge also
00:21:28.300
discovered that
00:21:29.840
1.3 million
00:21:32.220
aliens are now
00:21:34.120
receiving Medicaid,
00:21:35.960
millions received
00:21:37.340
driver's licenses,
00:21:39.020
some registered
00:21:39.880
to vote,
00:21:41.060
and Doge
00:21:41.700
said some
00:21:42.360
actually did
00:21:43.160
vote.
00:21:43.820
Try and square
00:21:44.620
that against
00:21:45.240
Democrat claims
00:21:46.200
that Musk is
00:21:46.920
destroying Social
00:21:48.300
Security and
00:21:48.920
cutting Medicaid.
00:21:50.160
He's not
00:21:50.760
destroying,
00:21:51.720
he's weeding
00:21:52.620
out people
00:21:53.220
who don't
00:21:53.640
qualify.
00:21:54.680
Who's really
00:21:55.440
guilty of
00:21:56.080
misinformation
00:21:56.500
in this case?
00:21:57.940
It's not
00:21:58.800
Elon Musk.
00:22:00.240
And that point,
00:22:01.260
I think,
00:22:01.620
is exactly right,
00:22:02.740
that I think
00:22:03.580
the Trump
00:22:03.960
administration
00:22:04.660
has a real
00:22:05.700
mandate to
00:22:06.340
go find
00:22:07.180
waste,
00:22:08.160
fraud,
00:22:08.440
and abuse
00:22:08.840
and go
00:22:09.260
find illegal
00:22:10.040
immigrants that
00:22:10.800
are wrongly
00:22:11.560
receiving government
00:22:12.620
benefits and
00:22:13.600
cut them off.
00:22:14.360
And I think
00:22:14.660
Congress should
00:22:15.220
back them up,
00:22:15.960
but I also
00:22:16.620
think the
00:22:16.980
Trump administration
00:22:17.680
is going to
00:22:18.460
do so on
00:22:19.080
its own,
00:22:19.500
and I think
00:22:19.800
that's fantastic.
00:22:21.220
Canadian women
00:22:22.020
are looking for
00:22:22.700
more.
00:22:23.340
More out of
00:22:23.720
themselves,
00:22:24.400
their businesses,
00:22:25.340
their elected
00:22:25.780
leaders,
00:22:26.300
and the world
00:22:26.880
around them.
00:22:27.500
And that's
00:22:27.880
why we're
00:22:28.180
thrilled to
00:22:28.680
introduce the
00:22:29.520
Honest Talk
00:22:30.180
podcast.
00:22:31.260
I'm Jennifer
00:22:31.780
Stewart.
00:22:32.440
And I'm
00:22:32.760
Catherine Clark.
00:22:33.400
And in this
00:22:34.140
podcast,
00:22:34.820
we interview
00:22:35.280
Canada's most
00:22:36.080
inspiring women,
00:22:37.280
entrepreneurs,
00:22:38.120
artists,
00:22:38.780
athletes,
00:22:39.400
politicians,
00:22:40.100
and newsmakers,
00:22:40.980
all at different
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stages of their
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journey.
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So if you're
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looking to
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connect,
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then we hope
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you'll join us.
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Listen to the
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00:22:52.240
Senator,
00:22:52.820
there's also
00:22:53.240
another important
00:22:54.000
story that is
00:22:54.860
one that is,
00:22:56.440
I think,
00:22:57.000
exciting for
00:22:57.720
transparency,
00:22:58.460
but also
00:22:59.480
frustrating at the
00:23:00.480
same time.
00:23:01.180
you have
00:23:02.900
opened an
00:23:03.500
investigation into
00:23:04.760
U.S.
00:23:05.720
fencing over
00:23:07.240
their trans
00:23:08.120
athlete policy.
00:23:09.780
Give us the
00:23:10.280
backstory on
00:23:11.100
this and
00:23:12.200
why you're
00:23:13.100
so involved.
00:23:14.320
So,
00:23:14.960
USA fencing
00:23:16.160
has received
00:23:18.740
widespread
00:23:19.220
criticism for
00:23:20.200
something that
00:23:20.600
happened last
00:23:21.160
week.
00:23:22.220
Stephanie
00:23:22.520
Turner,
00:23:23.380
who's a
00:23:23.760
female fencer,
00:23:25.260
she refused to
00:23:26.360
compete against a
00:23:27.300
transgender opponent,
00:23:28.380
a biological male
00:23:30.100
who decided that
00:23:32.220
he was a she,
00:23:33.820
and what
00:23:34.980
happened is
00:23:35.660
Stephanie Turner,
00:23:37.020
rather than
00:23:37.620
compete against
00:23:38.400
this biological
00:23:39.160
male,
00:23:40.200
Stephanie Turner
00:23:40.740
took a knee,
00:23:41.940
and as a
00:23:43.240
result,
00:23:44.000
she was
00:23:44.340
disqualified
00:23:45.140
from the
00:23:46.340
tournament.
00:23:46.780
She was given
00:23:47.240
a black card
00:23:48.200
and disqualified
00:23:49.360
from the
00:23:49.800
tournament.
00:23:50.180
It was
00:23:50.360
treated as
00:23:51.680
forfeiting.
00:23:54.480
Incredible.
00:23:54.820
And I saw
00:23:56.660
this,
00:23:57.040
frankly,
00:23:57.660
I saw this
00:23:58.180
on X,
00:23:59.200
I saw this
00:23:59.620
on Twitter,
00:24:00.580
and I thought
00:24:01.560
this was
00:24:01.920
outrageous
00:24:02.380
because women
00:24:03.900
should not
00:24:04.540
be forced
00:24:05.100
to compete
00:24:05.540
against men
00:24:06.260
in sports.
00:24:07.080
That's not
00:24:07.800
right.
00:24:08.680
Now,
00:24:09.560
as you know,
00:24:10.960
I am the
00:24:11.520
chairman of
00:24:12.580
the Senate
00:24:12.940
Committee on
00:24:13.500
Commerce,
00:24:14.080
Science,
00:24:14.340
and Transportation.
00:24:15.400
The Commerce
00:24:16.020
Committee has
00:24:16.600
massive
00:24:17.160
jurisdiction,
00:24:17.900
has jurisdiction
00:24:18.460
over roughly
00:24:19.260
40% of the
00:24:20.760
U.S.
00:24:21.060
economy.
00:24:21.780
One of the
00:24:22.360
things we have
00:24:22.940
jurisdiction over
00:24:23.840
is sports.
00:24:25.260
We have a
00:24:25.840
jurisdiction over
00:24:26.980
collegiate sports,
00:24:29.040
Olympic sports,
00:24:30.720
and any kind
00:24:32.100
of sports
00:24:32.680
competition.
00:24:34.240
And USA
00:24:35.160
Fencing is
00:24:36.540
explicitly,
00:24:38.320
it is the
00:24:40.700
vehicle through
00:24:42.680
which the
00:24:44.300
American fencing
00:24:45.680
team in the
00:24:46.280
Olympics is
00:24:46.800
chosen.
00:24:47.580
And so,
00:24:48.360
last week,
00:24:49.400
I launched an
00:24:50.220
investigation,
00:24:52.000
and I sent
00:24:53.500
an oversight
00:24:55.500
letter to
00:24:56.020
USA Fencing
00:24:56.880
asking for
00:24:58.680
the documents
00:24:59.460
on what
00:25:00.520
their policy
00:25:01.160
is,
00:25:02.040
how many
00:25:02.620
transgender
00:25:03.280
athletes have
00:25:04.240
attempted to
00:25:04.800
compete,
00:25:05.580
how many
00:25:06.400
women they
00:25:07.020
have disqualified
00:25:07.820
for declining
00:25:08.560
to compete,
00:25:09.460
how many
00:25:09.980
injuries have
00:25:10.680
occurred.
00:25:11.120
Look,
00:25:11.360
there are
00:25:11.580
biological
00:25:12.380
differences.
00:25:13.740
Men are
00:25:14.440
made differently
00:25:15.240
than women,
00:25:15.940
and we've
00:25:16.500
seen in many
00:25:17.060
other sports
00:25:17.780
significant
00:25:18.960
injuries from
00:25:20.280
women being
00:25:21.420
forced to
00:25:21.960
compete against
00:25:22.480
biological men.
00:25:24.120
And at the
00:25:24.520
end of the
00:25:24.920
day,
00:25:26.160
Congress has
00:25:28.000
a very direct
00:25:29.000
remedy,
00:25:30.460
which is we
00:25:31.300
have the
00:25:31.620
ability to
00:25:32.800
cease the
00:25:34.500
designation of
00:25:35.540
USA Fencing
00:25:36.360
as the
00:25:37.540
organization that
00:25:38.560
chooses U.S.
00:25:39.520
Olympic athletes.
00:25:41.040
And so,
00:25:42.200
this oversight
00:25:43.120
is an effort.
00:25:43.860
I want to get
00:25:44.400
them to change
00:25:45.060
their policy.
00:25:45.820
I want to get
00:25:46.420
them to protect
00:25:47.300
women.
00:25:48.360
I think women's
00:25:49.380
sports matters,
00:25:50.260
girls'
00:25:50.480
sports matters,
00:25:51.520
and I don't
00:25:52.080
think any
00:25:52.520
woman should
00:25:53.020
be forced to
00:25:53.600
compete against
00:25:54.160
a man in
00:25:54.660
sports.
00:25:55.060
I don't think
00:25:55.460
any girl should
00:25:56.540
be forced to
00:25:57.160
compete against
00:25:57.680
a boy in
00:25:58.140
sports.
00:25:59.140
What does it
00:26:00.040
look like if
00:26:00.660
they're actually
00:26:01.140
held accountable
00:26:01.760
for this?
00:26:02.840
What it looks
00:26:03.600
like is they
00:26:04.060
change their
00:26:04.560
policies.
00:26:05.040
That is my
00:26:07.040
objective here,
00:26:08.520
is to change
00:26:09.800
the policy so
00:26:10.880
that you don't
00:26:12.440
end up having
00:26:13.500
women discriminated
00:26:15.700
against and put
00:26:16.560
in a position
00:26:17.460
where they're
00:26:19.000
competing unfairly,
00:26:20.220
where they're
00:26:21.080
put in a
00:26:21.480
position where
00:26:22.160
they're risking
00:26:22.820
real injuries.
00:26:26.820
It'll be very
00:26:27.280
interesting to see
00:26:27.880
what that injury
00:26:28.500
report looks like.
00:26:29.520
Is there a
00:26:30.000
timeline for
00:26:30.900
them getting
00:26:31.280
back to you
00:26:31.960
with this
00:26:32.360
request?
00:26:33.700
Sure.
00:26:34.300
So here's
00:26:34.960
what I said
00:26:35.500
in my letter.
00:26:36.440
I wrote it to
00:26:37.380
the chief
00:26:37.980
executive officer
00:26:38.920
of USA
00:26:39.500
Fencing,
00:26:39.980
and I said,
00:26:40.880
Dear Mr.
00:26:41.340
Andrews,
00:26:41.740
it has come
00:26:42.120
to my attention
00:26:42.640
that USA
00:26:43.120
Fencing is
00:26:43.720
still permitting
00:26:44.200
men to
00:26:44.580
compete in
00:26:45.000
women's fencing
00:26:45.960
in violation
00:26:46.520
of federal law.
00:26:47.720
I'm writing
00:26:48.220
to ask why.
00:26:49.020
Your organization
00:26:50.340
is the recognized
00:26:51.280
national governing
00:26:52.080
body for fencing
00:26:53.300
in the United
00:26:53.740
States, but to
00:26:54.800
remain so, it
00:26:56.340
must comply with
00:26:57.240
the United States
00:26:57.900
Olympic and
00:26:59.160
Paralympic Committee
00:27:00.080
rules and
00:27:00.620
procedures, its
00:27:02.140
statutory obligations
00:27:03.280
to protect women,
00:27:04.580
and President
00:27:05.460
Trump's recent
00:27:06.260
executive order on
00:27:07.360
keeping men out
00:27:08.300
of women's sports.
00:27:09.740
If it does not,
00:27:11.000
and instead continues
00:27:12.160
to put women at
00:27:12.940
risk, Congress
00:27:14.440
may be forced to
00:27:15.660
terminate USA
00:27:17.380
fencing's NGB
00:27:18.660
certification.
00:27:20.160
Last week,
00:27:20.900
Stephanie Turner
00:27:21.480
from the Fencing
00:27:22.080
Academy of
00:27:22.700
Philadelphia competed
00:27:24.340
at the USA
00:27:25.160
Fencing Sanction
00:27:26.160
Cherry Blossom
00:27:27.060
Open Circuit at
00:27:28.360
the University of
00:27:29.080
Maryland.
00:27:29.900
The young woman
00:27:30.540
was set to face
00:27:31.420
a man who now
00:27:32.940
claims to be a
00:27:33.680
transgender woman
00:27:34.560
in a fencing
00:27:35.120
bout.
00:27:35.980
However, at the
00:27:36.600
start of the
00:27:36.980
match, Ms.
00:27:37.880
Turner bravely
00:27:38.600
took a knee and
00:27:39.920
refused to compete
00:27:40.800
against her male
00:27:41.500
opponent.
00:27:42.380
In response to
00:27:43.200
this young woman's
00:27:44.040
courage, tournament
00:27:45.520
officials presented
00:27:46.700
her with a black
00:27:47.480
card and
00:27:48.780
disqualified her
00:27:49.740
from the entire
00:27:50.460
tournament.
00:27:51.560
USA's fencing's
00:27:53.140
director of
00:27:53.700
communications,
00:27:55.100
Brian Wendell,
00:27:56.420
said the young
00:27:57.260
woman's disqualification
00:27:58.480
was, quote,
00:27:59.600
the direct result of
00:28:00.780
her decision to
00:28:01.500
decline to fence
00:28:02.320
an eligible opponent,
00:28:03.880
a supposed violation
00:28:05.200
of the International
00:28:06.040
Fencing Federation
00:28:07.100
rules.
00:28:08.640
He reiterated the
00:28:09.700
USA fencing remains
00:28:11.340
committed to
00:28:12.220
inclusivity.
00:28:13.440
USA fencing's
00:28:14.480
commitment to
00:28:14.980
inclusivity is
00:28:16.640
nothing less than
00:28:17.640
a full-throated
00:28:18.260
support for males
00:28:19.380
competing in
00:28:20.600
women's sports in
00:28:21.680
violation of
00:28:22.500
federal law.
00:28:23.400
As the recognized
00:28:24.380
NGB for fencing,
00:28:26.340
USA fencing is
00:28:27.320
required to provide,
00:28:28.620
quote, support and
00:28:30.000
encouragement for
00:28:30.860
participation by
00:28:31.880
women where
00:28:33.020
separate programs for
00:28:34.200
male and female
00:28:35.120
athletes are conducted
00:28:36.160
on a national
00:28:36.820
basis, as well as,
00:28:38.900
quote, safe
00:28:39.520
environments in
00:28:40.300
sports.
00:28:41.380
Failure to do so
00:28:42.580
is grounds for the
00:28:44.340
United States
00:28:45.000
Congress to
00:28:45.700
terminate USA
00:28:47.400
fencing certification
00:28:48.780
as an NGB.
00:28:50.080
And I go on to
00:28:50.960
say that they have
00:28:52.220
to comply with
00:28:53.040
President Trump's
00:28:53.900
executive order.
00:28:55.180
And I point out
00:28:55.860
that male fencers
00:28:56.720
naturally possess
00:28:58.200
inherent advantages
00:28:59.240
over potential
00:29:00.520
female competitors.
00:29:02.360
Men tend to be
00:29:03.080
taller, have greater
00:29:04.580
muscle mass, and
00:29:06.000
more testosterone.
00:29:07.560
All advantages for
00:29:09.100
fencing movements
00:29:09.860
like lunges, jumping,
00:29:11.160
or leg power
00:29:11.780
measures.
00:29:12.200
And I point out
00:29:15.420
that under the
00:29:16.060
rules of the
00:29:16.580
Senate, the
00:29:17.760
Commerce Committee
00:29:18.500
has a duty and
00:29:19.560
an authority to
00:29:20.460
review and study on
00:29:21.340
a continuing basis
00:29:22.300
both sports and
00:29:23.860
sports agencies, such
00:29:25.180
as USA fencing.
00:29:27.040
And so I ask, I
00:29:28.980
ask a whole series
00:29:30.140
of questions, and I
00:29:31.680
want documents and
00:29:32.740
answers by April
00:29:33.640
21st, 2025.
00:29:35.520
And it's documents
00:29:36.900
about their
00:29:37.360
transgender policy,
00:29:38.600
how many men or
00:29:40.180
transgender women
00:29:40.940
currently compete in
00:29:41.840
the women's division?
00:29:43.160
In the last four
00:29:43.920
years, how many
00:29:44.540
bouts have occurred
00:29:45.340
between transgender
00:29:46.520
women and women?
00:29:48.440
How many times did
00:29:49.740
the female athlete
00:29:50.620
prevail?
00:29:51.080
How many times did
00:29:51.780
the female athlete
00:29:52.660
suffer an injury?
00:29:53.920
Does USA fencing
00:29:55.360
comply with the
00:29:56.200
president's executive
00:29:57.000
order?
00:29:57.960
And I have a whole
00:29:59.220
series of additional
00:30:00.040
questions.
00:30:01.000
But this is an
00:30:02.180
example of holding
00:30:04.260
to account, and
00:30:05.160
you've got throughout
00:30:06.020
sports, these radical
00:30:08.660
associations, organizations
00:30:10.780
that have embraced
00:30:12.580
the woke ideology.
00:30:13.960
There's no difference
00:30:15.380
between men and
00:30:16.340
women.
00:30:17.160
And that is
00:30:17.800
profoundly unfair to
00:30:19.760
women and girls
00:30:20.580
competing in sports,
00:30:21.640
and I'm going to do
00:30:22.700
everything I can to
00:30:23.420
stop it.
00:30:23.880
In a minute of that,
00:30:24.540
we'll keep you updated
00:30:25.160
in the story.
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