Verdict with Ted Cruz - March 20, 2023


Trump Indictment Is Garbage - Understand The Facts & Law To Know Why This Is a Brazen Political Persecution


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On March 18th, former President Donald Trump announced via social media that he will be arrested on Tuesday, April 16th. A spokesman for President Trump stated that the former president has not received a notification from the Manhattan District Attorney s office regarding any potential indictment, and his post was highlighting his innocence.

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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
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00:00:06.140 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:10.180 And on March the 18th, former President Donald Trump announced via True Social
00:00:14.920 that he, quote, will be arrested on Tuesday of this coming week now.
00:00:21.220 Protests take our nation back.
00:00:24.260 A spokesman for President Trump stated that the former president
00:00:27.540 has not received a notification from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office
00:00:31.740 regarding any potential indictment, and his post was highlighting his innocence.
00:00:37.820 Senator President Trump saying, hey, this is coming.
00:00:41.200 Be ready for it. Be ready to protest.
00:00:44.020 Let's talk about what he could be indicted for
00:00:47.160 and how we got to this point with an activist DA in New York.
00:00:52.440 Well, let me say several things. 0.95
00:00:54.240 Number one, obviously this is a big damn deal. 0.87
00:00:57.540 If the former president of the United States is arrested tomorrow, 0.94
00:01:00.860 that is historic.
00:01:02.660 It has never happened in the history of our nation
00:01:04.480 that a former president of the United States has been arrested.
00:01:08.440 Number two, the case from the Manhattan District Attorney,
00:01:12.680 if they bring an indictment and charge him, 1.00
00:01:15.200 is utter and complete crap. 0.99
00:01:18.620 Actually, as groundskeeper Willie would put it on the Simpsons, 1.00
00:01:21.480 it's crap, I tell you, it's crap. 1.00
00:01:24.460 It is flimsy. 1.00
00:01:26.600 It is weak.
00:01:27.760 It has been rejected by prosecutor after prosecutor after prosecutor,
00:01:31.500 and it is obviously political retribution and a political persecution.
00:01:37.900 Number three, if this case is brought to the jury and the prosecutor loses,
00:01:47.280 the richest irony of everything is it may be left-wing, Soros-funded,
00:01:54.280 Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, more than anyone else,
00:01:58.180 who will have re-elected Donald Trump as president of the United States.
00:02:04.060 Because this is, if you want to talk about how to unify Republicans
00:02:08.540 behind Donald Trump in the primary,
00:02:11.980 having an unhinged left-wing prosecution,
00:02:15.920 complete with perhaps a perp walk for the cameras
00:02:19.800 that ends up being thrown out and ends in failure
00:02:23.700 could be the single biggest in-kind gift
00:02:27.040 to the Donald Trump campaign of this entire cycle.
00:02:31.140 Let's, before we get into the politics of this,
00:02:33.340 I want to get to people so they understand who this district attorney is.
00:02:37.100 This is a George Soros-backed district attorney.
00:02:39.820 This is an activist DA.
00:02:41.640 And as you mentioned, no one else was willing to do this,
00:02:44.560 but I guess this is how he gets campaign contributions.
00:02:47.120 Well, unfortunately, that's right.
00:02:50.880 Alvin Bragg is the district attorney in Manhattan.
00:02:55.200 He is newly elected.
00:02:57.000 He was supported by more than a million dollars from George Soros.
00:03:02.780 That's how he got elected.
00:03:05.000 And one of the very first things he's done
00:03:07.440 is dramatically reduce the prosecution of violent crime in New York.
00:03:14.180 According to the Daily Mail in November of 2022,
00:03:17.120 Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg
00:03:19.800 downgraded 52% of felony cases to misdemeanors
00:03:25.640 compared to 39% in all of 2019, according to new data.
00:03:30.700 By the way, Bragg's conviction rate,
00:03:34.060 even after downgrading the cases,
00:03:35.960 his conviction rate is 51%.
00:03:39.080 Barely half the cases his lawyers bring to trial get convicted.
00:03:42.780 That's down from 68% in 2019.
00:03:45.460 That is shockingly bad for a DA's office to have a conviction rate of 51%.
00:03:51.620 And if you compare it, his predecessor was Cyrus Vance Jr.,
00:03:58.460 another left-wing Democrat DA.
00:04:01.560 Between 2013 and 2020, former DA Cyrus Vance Jr.
00:04:08.080 never exceeded 40% in the percentage of cases downgraded from felony to misdemeanor.
00:04:15.180 Alvin Bragg has already gone up to 52%,
00:04:18.420 and he campaigned on the promise of criminal justice reform,
00:04:23.220 which in George Soros' world means letting violent criminals go.
00:04:28.100 Now, here's the irony.
00:04:29.840 This DA comes into office and he sets his hallmark of,
00:04:33.100 if you're a violent criminal, if you assault someone,
00:04:36.040 we're going to downgrade your crime from a felony to a misdemeanor.
00:04:40.120 We're going to release you.
00:04:41.040 We're going to let you commit yet more violent crimes in Manhattan. 0.74
00:04:44.140 Again, the irony is the legal theory that he is pursuing against Donald Trump,
00:04:50.880 in all likelihood, will be an incredibly aggressive legal theory
00:04:55.140 based on going the other way, on taking a misdemeanor and elevating it to a felony.
00:05:01.180 And nobody is confused as to why he is doing this.
00:05:04.860 He is doing this because he's a partisan Democrat and he hates Donald Trump.
00:05:08.580 Now, he has a right to hate Donald Trump,
00:05:10.200 but he doesn't have a right to abuse and corrupt the justice system,
00:05:15.240 to persecute his political opponents,
00:05:17.960 and that, sadly, is exactly what he's doing here.
00:05:20.700 You talk about this persecution of your political opponents,
00:05:24.520 and this goes back to what you warned about
00:05:28.920 and spent a lot of time actually working on in your last book,
00:05:33.100 Justice Corrupted, How the Left Weaponized Our Legal System. 0.59
00:05:38.380 Now, you started this book back in January of last year.
00:05:41.760 It came out in October.
00:05:43.600 This book, in your mindset more than a year ago,
00:05:47.660 was the worry that the left had gained control of our legal system
00:05:53.260 and then was going to weaponize our legal system
00:05:57.420 to take out political opponents.
00:05:59.900 Now, George Soros has been funding this. 0.64
00:06:02.500 He has done a damn good job, I give him credit,
00:06:04.960 of basically turning upside down district attorneys' offices 0.82
00:06:09.660 all over the country
00:06:11.280 and using them for criminal justice reform,
00:06:17.900 bail reform, jail reform,
00:06:19.820 and defund the police or drive the police insane.
00:06:22.680 The other thing that's done
00:06:24.240 is it's then also allowed for them to weaponize
00:06:27.100 and go after political opponents.
00:06:28.780 Now, your entire book was basically warning America about this.
00:06:32.440 You saw this coming
00:06:34.780 and you realized that they were putting the pieces of this puzzle together
00:06:38.480 and here we are now
00:06:39.640 with a president of the United States of America
00:06:41.480 that may have a mudshot this week. 0.93
00:06:43.520 Well, unfortunately, I did see this coming.
00:06:46.080 You write the book.
00:06:46.800 I spent much of last year writing the book.
00:06:48.640 It came out in October
00:06:49.660 and it goes into depth
00:06:51.880 on how the left is weaponizing our legal system.
00:06:55.160 There's an entire chapter
00:06:56.180 on George Soros DAs,
00:06:58.140 on the millions of dollars that Soros has spent
00:07:00.340 putting radicals in the position of district attorney.
00:07:03.560 District attorney races used to be sleepy races
00:07:06.380 typically between people who are both prosecutors,
00:07:09.260 who are both campaigning on,
00:07:10.780 we're going to lock up the bad guys,
00:07:11.940 we're going to put violent criminals in jail,
00:07:13.660 and you'd have a back and forth on competence,
00:07:15.980 often without a whole lot of partisanship.
00:07:18.780 Soros has invested tens of millions of dollars
00:07:21.920 in putting radicals,
00:07:23.660 people like Alvin Bragg,
00:07:25.080 in this position
00:07:25.840 because he understands power.
00:07:27.080 I will give Soros credit.
00:07:29.660 He has found the weak points
00:07:32.440 in our democracy and our rule of law,
00:07:34.700 and he has devoted millions of dollars
00:07:37.120 to attacking those weak points,
00:07:39.280 which have been having tremendous negative effect.
00:07:42.420 And so there's an entire chapter
00:07:43.760 in Justice Corrupted
00:07:45.340 that explains what specifically
00:07:47.260 the Soros DAs are doing.
00:07:49.260 There's also an entire chapter
00:07:50.620 that goes through Crossfire Hurricane,
00:07:53.000 how the Department of Justice
00:07:55.340 and the FBI were weaponized
00:07:57.340 against Donald Trump,
00:07:58.480 were used to attack
00:08:00.100 the person who was then
00:08:02.320 the Republican nominee to be president,
00:08:04.040 and then once he became president,
00:08:05.840 the hardcore partisans
00:08:07.060 that had burrowed into DOJ
00:08:08.720 and the FBI
00:08:09.300 continued that witch hunt against him,
00:08:12.460 and the book details that at great length.
00:08:14.820 And so I would encourage you,
00:08:15.920 if you want to understand
00:08:16.800 what is going on right now
00:08:18.880 with the Biden DOJ
00:08:20.840 and this George Soros prosecutor
00:08:23.880 targeting Trump,
00:08:25.480 go buy the book Justice Corrupted.
00:08:27.360 It just came out a couple of months ago,
00:08:28.980 and it walks you through the details
00:08:31.560 of what happened.
00:08:33.540 I want to get into the play-by-play
00:08:36.300 of if, in fact,
00:08:37.500 the president is indicted,
00:08:39.060 how does that go through the process?
00:08:41.660 How will he be arraigned?
00:08:43.100 Will there be mugshots?
00:08:44.540 How all that happens for people
00:08:46.280 so they understand
00:08:46.960 how this could play out
00:08:47.860 with him saying,
00:08:48.400 I'm going to be arrested.
00:08:49.140 That's the president's words,
00:08:50.980 former President Donald Trump's words.
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00:10:18.840 So, I want to go back
00:10:20.580 to the former President Trump's
00:10:22.580 tweet, Senator,
00:10:23.500 and he says,
00:10:24.300 look, I'm going to be arrested.
00:10:25.880 This is going to happen.
00:10:27.440 If this does happen,
00:10:29.820 is there a very,
00:10:30.960 I mean,
00:10:31.260 is there going to be
00:10:32.540 a mugshot of Donald Trump
00:10:35.960 and is that going to be
00:10:37.260 victory for the Democrats?
00:10:38.840 And how does this go,
00:10:40.020 how does this happen?
00:10:41.140 How are his attorneys
00:10:42.280 brought into this?
00:10:43.180 Tell people how this
00:10:44.100 will play out legally.
00:10:45.460 So, presumably,
00:10:46.520 there will be a mugshot
00:10:47.480 if he is, in fact, arrested.
00:10:49.120 There are a couple of ways
00:10:49.920 they can do it.
00:10:50.960 Typically,
00:10:51.360 when you have an attorney
00:10:52.480 who's represented by counsel
00:10:53.880 and an arrest warrant
00:10:56.080 is issued,
00:10:56.800 you typically will give
00:10:58.160 that client the opportunity
00:10:59.820 to turn himself in,
00:11:01.080 particularly when the client
00:11:02.140 is not a flight risk.
00:11:05.600 We saw recently,
00:11:07.100 in fact,
00:11:07.400 I think last week's pod,
00:11:08.480 discussed how the Biden DOJ
00:11:11.500 sent over 20 FBI agents
00:11:14.000 to the house of Mark Hauk,
00:11:16.020 who was a pro-life activist.
00:11:17.900 They showed up with body armor
00:11:19.140 and helmets
00:11:19.700 and machine guns
00:11:21.420 and arrested him
00:11:22.760 at the crack of dawn
00:11:23.640 in front of his wife
00:11:24.500 and seven children
00:11:25.280 who were crying.
00:11:26.520 That was utterly unnecessary.
00:11:28.040 In that instance,
00:11:29.060 Mark Hauk,
00:11:29.920 his attorney had offered,
00:11:31.260 okay,
00:11:31.420 if you're going to prosecute him,
00:11:32.560 he'll turn himself in.
00:11:34.140 And the Biden DOJ said,
00:11:36.000 no, no,
00:11:36.640 we want to come raid you. 0.99
00:11:39.300 Likewise,
00:11:39.840 we saw the Biden FBI
00:11:41.580 raided Mar-a-Lago
00:11:43.440 searching for documents.
00:11:44.760 There was a sharp contrast,
00:11:46.520 a double standard
00:11:47.400 between how they raided Mar-a-Lago
00:11:49.260 searching for documents,
00:11:50.760 but they were perfectly happy
00:11:52.100 to let Joe Biden's attorneys
00:11:53.700 turn over one set
00:11:55.100 of classified documents
00:11:56.120 after another,
00:11:56.840 after another,
00:11:57.400 after another,
00:11:58.560 because this is political
00:12:00.860 and partisan justice.
00:12:02.060 In any sane world,
00:12:03.880 if they issue an arrest warrant,
00:12:05.660 they will allow Trump
00:12:07.080 to turn himself in
00:12:08.100 and they won't actually
00:12:10.260 try to forcibly arrest him.
00:12:11.720 I think that's likely.
00:12:13.480 But if there is an arrest,
00:12:15.980 there presumably
00:12:16.660 will be a mugshot.
00:12:18.280 There is an entire
00:12:19.840 canon of politician mugshots.
00:12:25.980 Unfortunately,
00:12:26.460 we've seen politicized
00:12:28.620 prosecutions before.
00:12:30.140 There is a question about
00:12:31.800 does the politician
00:12:32.760 smile or not.
00:12:34.780 You know,
00:12:35.460 you may remember
00:12:36.080 Tom DeLay
00:12:36.840 when he was indicted.
00:12:38.120 You may remember
00:12:38.620 Rick Perry
00:12:39.260 when he was indicted.
00:12:40.920 And smiling is one thing.
00:12:42.980 It leads to kind of
00:12:44.060 a strange mugshot
00:12:45.980 when you have a picture
00:12:46.860 of someone
00:12:47.480 in front of the hash marks
00:12:49.800 for the different height levels
00:12:50.920 and holding a little placard
00:12:54.020 with their name
00:12:54.800 and number on it.
00:12:56.860 And if they're smiling
00:12:57.880 like a politician,
00:12:58.760 it's often quite dissonant.
00:13:01.320 I don't know how Trump
00:13:02.380 will handle that,
00:13:03.320 but will the media
00:13:04.080 and the Democrats
00:13:04.800 go crazy
00:13:06.280 if there's a Trump mugshot?
00:13:08.080 Of course they will.
00:13:09.520 But at the end of the day,
00:13:11.600 I think the image matters less
00:13:14.500 than the facts and reality.
00:13:16.640 And let me explain 0.99
00:13:17.380 why this case is crap. 0.98
00:13:19.140 So this all stems back 0.96
00:13:21.340 to 2016,
00:13:22.880 which was,
00:13:23.500 2016 was a long time ago.
00:13:24.760 That was seven years ago.
00:13:26.440 And in 2016,
00:13:28.280 Trump allegedly paid
00:13:29.780 $130,000 to Stormy Daniels.
00:13:32.760 Remember Stormy Daniels
00:13:33.960 who was a stripper 0.74
00:13:35.060 and porn star
00:13:36.320 and allegedly had 0.85
00:13:37.360 an affair with Trump.
00:13:39.380 And the allegation is
00:13:40.700 that Trump paid
00:13:41.800 $130,000 of hush money.
00:13:43.980 Basically paid her
00:13:44.940 $130,000 to keep quiet
00:13:47.460 because in 2016
00:13:48.560 he was running for president
00:13:49.740 and he didn't want
00:13:50.720 a bunch of stories
00:13:51.500 about his affair
00:13:52.640 with Stormy Daniels.
00:13:53.580 The person who allegedly
00:13:56.340 delivered the money
00:13:57.460 was Michael Cohen.
00:13:59.160 Michael Cohen
00:13:59.760 was, of course,
00:14:01.320 Trump's personal lawyer.
00:14:02.620 He was often involved
00:14:03.760 in pretty shady conduct.
00:14:06.980 Michael Cohen himself
00:14:07.900 has now served prison time.
00:14:09.600 He has turned hard on Trump.
00:14:11.540 He hates Trump.
00:14:12.960 Michael Cohen
00:14:13.580 is the chief witness
00:14:15.260 for the prosecution
00:14:16.120 in this instance.
00:14:17.780 And look,
00:14:18.900 as an ordinary matter,
00:14:20.360 paying someone hush money
00:14:22.720 is not typically illegal.
00:14:26.140 You know,
00:14:26.420 if, you know,
00:14:28.320 Ben,
00:14:28.800 if you paid me
00:14:29.840 $1,000 not to tweet out
00:14:31.760 that I saw you
00:14:32.460 mowing your lawn
00:14:33.220 in a pink tutu last week,
00:14:35.180 that might be...
00:14:37.380 If that was true,
00:14:38.000 I would pay you
00:14:38.560 more than $1,000,
00:14:39.760 but keep going.
00:14:40.680 Look,
00:14:40.940 that might be
00:14:41.480 entirely understandable
00:14:42.660 and it might be $2,000
00:14:43.960 to delete the photo
00:14:44.760 I took on my iPhone
00:14:45.740 of you doing so.
00:14:47.340 But doing that
00:14:48.640 is not illegal.
00:14:49.640 Like paying someone
00:14:50.560 to do something
00:14:51.340 not to do something,
00:14:52.480 that on the face of it
00:14:53.520 is not illegal.
00:14:54.280 So what is it
00:14:55.120 that the DA
00:14:56.000 is trying to say
00:14:57.080 is illegal?
00:14:58.940 And by the way,
00:15:00.120 look,
00:15:00.440 unfortunately,
00:15:01.440 people in both parties,
00:15:03.340 men and women,
00:15:03.980 have affairs.
00:15:04.680 They shouldn't.
00:15:05.640 Affairs destroy marriages,
00:15:07.420 destroy lives, 0.81
00:15:08.180 but this is not
00:15:09.520 the first time
00:15:10.320 that has happened
00:15:11.560 in the history
00:15:12.060 of the world.
00:15:14.300 Paying
00:15:14.780 an adulterous lover
00:15:16.680 to keep quiet
00:15:17.480 is something
00:15:18.220 an awful lot
00:15:19.520 of Democrats,
00:15:20.180 an awful lot
00:15:20.620 of Republicans
00:15:21.140 have done.
00:15:22.460 It's not good
00:15:23.460 or right or moral.
00:15:24.520 It is typically
00:15:25.140 not illegal to do.
00:15:27.360 So what is
00:15:28.120 the Manhattan DA's
00:15:29.140 theory here?
00:15:29.760 Well,
00:15:29.920 it's based on
00:15:30.660 something called
00:15:31.520 New York Penal Law
00:15:33.300 175.05.
00:15:36.000 That is a statute
00:15:37.060 that makes it a crime
00:15:38.040 when an individual,
00:15:39.040 number one,
00:15:40.260 makes or causes
00:15:41.240 a false entry
00:15:42.280 in the business records
00:15:43.240 of an enterprise,
00:15:44.560 or two,
00:15:45.440 alters,
00:15:45.920 erases,
00:15:46.420 obliterates,
00:15:47.040 deletes,
00:15:47.300 removes or destroys
00:15:48.340 a true entry
00:15:49.100 in the business records
00:15:49.940 of an enterprise,
00:15:51.240 or three,
00:15:52.560 omits to make
00:15:53.920 a true entry
00:15:54.520 in the business records
00:15:55.300 of an enterprise
00:15:55.860 in violation of a duty
00:15:57.000 to do so,
00:15:57.640 which he knows
00:15:58.380 to be imposed on him
00:15:59.320 by law
00:15:59.880 or the nature
00:16:00.680 of his position,
00:16:01.540 or four,
00:16:02.780 prevents the making
00:16:03.780 of a true entry
00:16:04.500 or causes the omission
00:16:05.440 thereofs in the business
00:16:06.580 records of an enterprise.
00:16:07.540 Now, what the heck
00:16:07.940 does that mean?
00:16:08.980 It's a bookkeeping
00:16:09.960 requirement.
00:16:10.580 It's basically
00:16:11.120 don't keep bogus books.
00:16:13.100 Don't keep fake books
00:16:15.560 in a business.
00:16:18.080 Now,
00:16:19.660 the allegation here
00:16:21.220 is that the $130,000
00:16:22.700 was recorded
00:16:24.780 as legal expenses
00:16:26.220 because Trump paid
00:16:27.520 Michael Cohen
00:16:28.400 $130,000
00:16:29.420 when in fact
00:16:30.540 it was not legal expenses
00:16:32.500 in the sense of
00:16:33.500 paying the hourly rate
00:16:34.620 of your lawyer,
00:16:35.400 but it was money
00:16:36.660 that was given
00:16:37.220 to Stormy Daniels
00:16:38.000 to keep quiet.
00:16:38.600 So that's the allegation.
00:16:40.360 Now,
00:16:41.340 it actually gets
00:16:42.660 more complicated
00:16:44.420 than that
00:16:45.180 because
00:16:46.940 New York Penal Law
00:16:48.640 175.05
00:16:50.280 is a second-degree
00:16:52.260 Class A misdemeanor
00:16:53.500 which has a maximum
00:16:55.100 jail sentence
00:16:55.820 of one year
00:16:56.460 and has a two-year
00:16:58.220 statute of limitations
00:16:59.200 which means
00:17:00.020 the DA can't charge
00:17:01.940 Trump for something
00:17:02.640 that happened
00:17:03.080 seven years ago
00:17:04.040 as a misdemeanor
00:17:05.260 because the statute
00:17:06.000 of limitations
00:17:06.600 has run.
00:17:08.040 So,
00:17:09.400 what would the DA do?
00:17:11.760 Well,
00:17:12.700 there's a second provision
00:17:14.120 which is
00:17:14.740 New York Penal Law
00:17:15.760 175.10.
00:17:18.520 That is a felony
00:17:19.740 and for it to be
00:17:21.640 a felony
00:17:22.160 which has a longer
00:17:23.060 statute of limitations,
00:17:24.880 the prosecutor
00:17:26.100 must prove
00:17:27.400 that Trump
00:17:28.300 committed
00:17:28.840 the misdemeanor
00:17:30.700 business record
00:17:31.420 falsifications
00:17:32.160 and that his intent
00:17:34.840 to defraud
00:17:35.700 includes an intent
00:17:38.100 to commit
00:17:38.720 another crime
00:17:39.640 or to aid
00:17:41.460 in concealing
00:17:43.000 the commission
00:17:43.600 of another crime.
00:17:44.520 So,
00:17:44.900 he's got to piggyback
00:17:46.020 not just was this
00:17:47.780 a bogus
00:17:48.520 business record
00:17:50.160 but it was done
00:17:51.520 to hide
00:17:52.060 the commission
00:17:52.540 of another crime
00:17:53.280 and presumably
00:17:54.100 the theory
00:17:55.620 for the other crime
00:17:56.660 would be
00:17:57.040 some sort of
00:17:57.740 election
00:17:58.180 federal election
00:18:00.040 violation
00:18:00.680 that this money
00:18:01.680 was somehow
00:18:02.420 a campaign expenditure
00:18:03.780 that you were hiding.
00:18:04.700 It would be
00:18:05.940 something like that.
00:18:08.080 Now,
00:18:08.920 number one,
00:18:11.420 the Mueller report
00:18:12.420 already examined
00:18:13.540 this exact issue.
00:18:14.980 Did Donald Trump
00:18:15.720 commit a federal
00:18:16.500 campaign violation
00:18:17.580 through the alleged
00:18:19.440 $130,000
00:18:20.440 hush payment
00:18:21.460 to Stormy Daniels
00:18:22.560 and Mueller
00:18:23.840 decided not to prosecute,
00:18:25.140 decided there was
00:18:25.940 not enough here
00:18:26.680 to prosecute.
00:18:27.580 The Southern District
00:18:28.620 of New York,
00:18:29.200 the U.S. prosecutor
00:18:30.240 in New York
00:18:31.060 and I think it's fair
00:18:32.020 to say there is
00:18:32.760 no love lost
00:18:33.800 between the Southern District
00:18:35.140 of New York
00:18:35.680 and Donald Trump.
00:18:37.020 They decided not
00:18:37.980 to prosecute
00:18:38.720 because the evidence,
00:18:39.780 A, because Michael Cohen
00:18:40.940 is an exceptionally
00:18:41.960 unreliable witness,
00:18:45.420 someone would have,
00:18:46.160 I think,
00:18:46.520 serious credibility problems,
00:18:48.280 but B,
00:18:49.460 because this is
00:18:50.480 really,
00:18:51.340 really attenuated,
00:18:52.580 look,
00:18:52.780 they actually tried
00:18:53.960 to prosecute
00:18:55.220 John Edwards.
00:18:56.000 Remember John Edwards,
00:18:56.900 the former Democrat senator
00:18:58.140 who did the same thing,
00:18:59.920 paid off his mistress
00:19:00.740 to keep her quiet
00:19:01.740 and they went after him,
00:19:02.980 alleging that
00:19:04.380 that was really
00:19:04.960 a campaign expenditure
00:19:05.960 and they lost.
00:19:06.620 The jury said,
00:19:07.320 get the hell out of here
00:19:08.120 and they lost.
00:19:09.360 So,
00:19:10.000 in this instance,
00:19:13.520 the Manhattan DA
00:19:14.860 has to piggy bank
00:19:17.160 one alleged state violation
00:19:19.000 and another alleged
00:19:19.980 federal violation,
00:19:21.480 both of which
00:19:22.380 are exceptionally weak.
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00:19:57.720 If this case is tried,
00:20:02.100 how does that play out?
00:20:03.520 He's indicted,
00:20:04.420 you get a mug shot,
00:20:05.840 is there a trial date
00:20:07.160 that would then be set
00:20:08.560 because the question
00:20:09.600 is going to be,
00:20:10.500 how does that affect
00:20:11.800 the president's run
00:20:13.200 for the presidency?
00:20:14.380 He's already announced
00:20:15.380 he's going to run again,
00:20:16.520 Senator.
00:20:17.320 So,
00:20:17.640 how does that play out
00:20:19.020 and do you go to trial quickly
00:20:20.940 so it's not in the middle
00:20:22.760 of an election
00:20:23.400 or does this just,
00:20:24.760 could it be held up
00:20:25.680 in court for a year or two
00:20:27.120 and how does that
00:20:28.860 play out politically?
00:20:30.540 So,
00:20:31.200 usually you would go to court
00:20:32.840 relatively quickly
00:20:34.080 on this sort of thing.
00:20:35.060 Now,
00:20:35.420 I will readily admit
00:20:37.080 I have not practiced
00:20:38.380 law in New York state courts.
00:20:40.900 I've certainly not practiced
00:20:41.860 criminal law
00:20:42.460 in New York state courts.
00:20:43.440 So,
00:20:43.680 I don't have
00:20:44.200 personal familiarity
00:20:45.620 with trying a case like this
00:20:47.400 in New York state courts.
00:20:49.280 That being said,
00:20:50.360 typically for a criminal
00:20:51.360 provision,
00:20:53.160 there's a speedy trial
00:20:55.260 obligation
00:20:56.680 and this would ordinarily
00:20:58.620 proceed relatively quickly.
00:21:00.960 The first step
00:21:01.680 would be the district attorney
00:21:02.780 going and getting
00:21:03.720 an indictment
00:21:04.860 from a grand jury.
00:21:05.960 Now,
00:21:06.240 given the politics
00:21:09.100 in New York,
00:21:09.960 I suspect it would be
00:21:10.720 very easy
00:21:11.240 to get an indictment.
00:21:12.140 When you get an indictment
00:21:13.460 from a grand jury,
00:21:15.260 the criminal defendant
00:21:16.060 isn't in there.
00:21:16.820 Your lawyer doesn't get
00:21:17.780 to make an argument
00:21:18.500 to the grand jury
00:21:19.280 as to why you shouldn't
00:21:20.320 be indicted.
00:21:21.320 And so,
00:21:21.780 that leads to
00:21:22.540 the old aphorism
00:21:24.100 that a prosecutor
00:21:25.120 could indict
00:21:25.680 a ham sandwich.
00:21:26.680 And so,
00:21:27.700 I think if the DA
00:21:28.660 decides to go
00:21:30.460 seek an indictment,
00:21:31.360 he'll get an indictment
00:21:32.280 in all likelihood.
00:21:33.600 But bringing this case
00:21:35.280 to the jury
00:21:36.000 is going to be
00:21:37.760 exceptionally difficult,
00:21:39.540 even a biased jury
00:21:41.880 of partisan Democrats.
00:21:45.060 The evidence here
00:21:46.240 is really flimsy.
00:21:47.280 Look,
00:21:47.540 number one,
00:21:48.900 listen,
00:21:49.120 I think cases
00:21:50.120 where people
00:21:50.860 are engaged
00:21:51.880 in sexual infidelities
00:21:54.040 and trying to cover it up,
00:21:55.760 there's been a long history
00:21:56.860 of politicians doing that.
00:21:58.480 Donald Trump
00:21:58.940 is not the first politician
00:22:00.460 alleged to have done that.
00:22:02.280 Obviously,
00:22:02.780 Bill Clinton famously
00:22:03.980 had a career
00:22:05.580 involved in doing this.
00:22:07.620 John Edwards
00:22:08.080 had these issues.
00:22:10.960 I think juries
00:22:12.000 are often skeptical
00:22:13.340 of holding people
00:22:16.300 accountable
00:22:16.840 for what they view
00:22:18.100 as essentially
00:22:19.120 private and personal failings
00:22:21.900 rather than
00:22:22.540 official corruption.
00:22:25.620 I think a lot of juries
00:22:26.960 are not going to be
00:22:28.180 eager to convict,
00:22:29.240 particularly
00:22:29.680 the first criminal conviction
00:22:31.680 of a former president
00:22:32.680 of the United States
00:22:33.460 in the history of our nation.
00:22:34.960 I think there is
00:22:36.160 an understanding
00:22:36.960 that if that is going
00:22:38.000 to happen,
00:22:38.700 the threshold
00:22:39.480 needs to be significant.
00:22:41.960 It shouldn't be
00:22:42.660 some little
00:22:43.180 ticky-tack
00:22:44.080 bookkeeping
00:22:45.320 claim
00:22:46.740 that
00:22:48.420 if Trump's name
00:22:51.120 were Donald Smith,
00:22:52.260 the chances
00:22:52.900 that Alvin Bragg
00:22:53.860 would be bringing
00:22:54.340 this case
00:22:55.000 are zero.
00:22:56.200 It is 100%
00:22:57.620 because he hates
00:22:58.660 Donald Trump
00:22:59.300 why this case
00:23:00.120 will be brought.
00:23:01.020 I'll point out also,
00:23:02.340 look,
00:23:03.100 we've talked a lot
00:23:03.860 in the podcast
00:23:04.400 about how I believe
00:23:05.820 the Biden Department
00:23:07.240 of Justice
00:23:07.720 wants to indict Trump.
00:23:08.940 and I think
00:23:10.900 Merrick Garland
00:23:11.620 personally wants
00:23:12.660 to indict Trump
00:23:13.480 on federal charges,
00:23:14.620 federal charges
00:23:15.220 that if brought
00:23:15.940 I think would be
00:23:17.140 more serious
00:23:17.900 than these charges
00:23:19.340 that apparently
00:23:20.280 are going to be
00:23:20.700 brought this week.
00:23:22.340 But Merrick Garland's
00:23:24.460 effort has gotten
00:23:25.300 much, much more
00:23:26.220 complicated
00:23:26.820 because I think
00:23:28.160 DOJ was on the verge
00:23:29.440 of indicting Trump
00:23:30.300 for the classified
00:23:31.580 documents at Mar-a-Lago
00:23:32.760 when suddenly
00:23:34.620 Joe Biden
00:23:36.280 appeared to have
00:23:36.840 classified documents
00:23:37.820 just about everywhere
00:23:39.000 almost stuck
00:23:40.240 in the glove compartment
00:23:41.360 of his Corvette.
00:23:42.220 I mean it
00:23:42.680 and as we talked
00:23:44.360 about in this podcast
00:23:45.200 look,
00:23:45.680 legally that's not
00:23:47.060 technically a problem
00:23:48.700 but it creates
00:23:50.740 an obvious
00:23:51.860 political problem
00:23:53.720 because the double
00:23:54.620 standard is evident.
00:23:56.080 If the Biden DOJ
00:23:57.720 says
00:23:58.360 if Trump has
00:23:59.640 classified documents
00:24:00.700 we want to put him
00:24:01.380 in jail
00:24:01.780 but if Biden has
00:24:02.600 classified documents
00:24:03.500 at his home
00:24:04.160 no biggie
00:24:05.380 all good with us
00:24:06.760 even people
00:24:08.000 not paying attention
00:24:08.920 say wait a second
00:24:09.840 that's a double
00:24:11.400 standard.
00:24:11.860 Well here's
00:24:12.620 a huge double
00:24:14.000 standard with the
00:24:14.800 Alvin Bragg
00:24:15.700 potential prosecution
00:24:17.280 of Trump
00:24:17.860 which is the theory
00:24:19.340 that he's basing it
00:24:20.260 on
00:24:20.520 that
00:24:21.780 Trump
00:24:23.060 gave
00:24:24.720 $130,000
00:24:25.920 recorded it
00:24:27.340 as legal fees
00:24:29.200 when in fact
00:24:30.600 it was hush money
00:24:32.100 to Stormy Daniels
00:24:33.280 well that is
00:24:34.360 precisely
00:24:35.360 the charge
00:24:36.920 that was raised
00:24:38.160 against Hillary Clinton
00:24:39.320 Hillary Clinton
00:24:40.620 funded
00:24:41.340 the so-called
00:24:42.760 Steele dossier
00:24:43.760 this is something
00:24:44.940 again that I discuss
00:24:45.940 at great length
00:24:46.860 in the book
00:24:47.260 Justice Corrupted
00:24:48.200 the Steele dossier
00:24:49.060 the Hillary Clinton
00:24:50.240 campaign paid over
00:24:51.300 a million dollars
00:24:52.320 to make
00:24:54.180 the Steele dossier
00:24:55.420 which is
00:24:55.980 it's a work of fiction
00:24:57.400 it is a political
00:24:58.520 hit job
00:24:59.540 but she covered
00:25:01.340 up the payments
00:25:02.280 for making
00:25:02.800 the Steele dossier
00:25:03.800 by calling
00:25:05.160 those payments
00:25:06.220 legal fees
00:25:07.280 so she did
00:25:08.380 the exact
00:25:09.640 same thing
00:25:10.720 Donald Trump
00:25:11.720 is accused
00:25:12.280 of doing
00:25:12.780 well
00:25:13.020 and to be clear
00:25:13.840 she was not
00:25:14.660 indicted
00:25:15.100 I want to make
00:25:15.640 that very clear
00:25:16.420 remind people
00:25:17.300 of the double
00:25:17.720 standard here
00:25:18.360 she was not
00:25:19.240 indicted
00:25:19.540 by the way
00:25:20.180 she's a resident
00:25:20.940 of New York
00:25:21.600 so she could
00:25:22.660 have been indicted
00:25:23.220 under this
00:25:24.080 statute
00:25:24.600 by this DA
00:25:26.160 and by the way
00:25:28.220 she did it
00:25:28.900 at the same
00:25:29.760 time Trump
00:25:30.400 was doing
00:25:30.800 this is the
00:25:31.300 2016 election
00:25:32.400 so she literally
00:25:33.920 did exactly
00:25:35.600 the same thing
00:25:36.600 at exactly
00:25:37.300 the same place
00:25:38.360 at exactly
00:25:39.280 the same time
00:25:40.320 but Alvin Bragg
00:25:42.000 is a Democrat
00:25:42.600 so he doesn't
00:25:43.300 want to indict
00:25:43.920 Hillary Clinton
00:25:44.560 even though
00:25:45.280 their conduct
00:25:45.880 was identical
00:25:46.540 although
00:25:46.940 let me put
00:25:47.720 in a caveat
00:25:48.280 I have no
00:25:49.200 evidence to
00:25:49.780 suggest that
00:25:50.460 Hillary Clinton
00:25:51.080 had a sexual
00:25:51.700 relationship
00:25:52.260 with Stormy Daniels
00:25:53.300 so that conduct
00:25:54.720 I'm not suggesting
00:25:55.640 was identical
00:25:56.420 but the payments
00:25:58.820 that are called
00:25:59.460 legal fees
00:26:00.220 they both did
00:26:01.020 the exact same
00:26:01.900 thing
00:26:02.320 how the hell 0.93
00:26:04.280 do you just 0.50
00:26:04.820 go after
00:26:05.440 the opposing
00:26:06.660 party
00:26:07.140 and not your
00:26:07.820 own party's
00:26:08.460 nominee
00:26:08.720 I gotta ask
00:26:09.860 you also
00:26:10.220 about the
00:26:10.620 timing of this
00:26:11.440 there was
00:26:12.420 big breaking
00:26:13.200 news
00:26:13.620 that the
00:26:14.040 Biden crime
00:26:14.840 family
00:26:15.280 had expanded
00:26:16.300 this past
00:26:17.500 week
00:26:17.760 with payments
00:26:18.720 coming from
00:26:19.340 the Chinese
00:26:19.760 communist
00:26:20.240 government
00:26:21.460 you know
00:26:22.120 these sectors
00:26:23.140 and jobs
00:26:23.980 that were
00:26:24.300 sending cash
00:26:25.160 back to the
00:26:25.780 Biden crime
00:26:26.320 family
00:26:26.720 now has
00:26:27.200 expanded
00:26:27.560 to more
00:26:27.920 family members
00:26:28.680 and exactly
00:26:29.880 the same
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00:27:59.000 in the news area
00:28:01.160 to the point where
00:28:01.940 even Biden's team
00:28:03.340 had to respond
00:28:04.180 Hunter Biden's team
00:28:05.000 had to respond
00:28:05.620 about these new
00:28:06.260 allegations that
00:28:07.620 there was millions
00:28:08.620 coming in from 0.92
00:28:09.740 shady Chinese 1.00
00:28:10.620 companies that are
00:28:11.360 directly tied to
00:28:12.240 the communist
00:28:12.980 government and
00:28:14.380 expanded the list
00:28:15.580 of people with
00:28:16.380 the last name
00:28:16.820 Biden who were
00:28:17.500 receiving these
00:28:18.580 funds from
00:28:20.340 these shady
00:28:21.340 business deals
00:28:22.080 that were all
00:28:22.640 being run through
00:28:23.160 Hunter and
00:28:23.600 James Biden
00:28:24.340 then in the
00:28:25.960 middle of the
00:28:26.300 same week when
00:28:26.920 this happens
00:28:27.720 and they're
00:28:28.380 forced to
00:28:28.880 respond bam
00:28:29.720 we're hearing
00:28:30.140 about an
00:28:30.480 indictment of
00:28:30.940 Donald Trump
00:28:31.480 is there any
00:28:32.660 connection in
00:28:33.480 your mind between
00:28:34.200 these timing of
00:28:35.080 these two stories
00:28:35.900 look I don't know
00:28:37.960 that that was the
00:28:38.800 driving factor for
00:28:39.860 Alvin Bragg my
00:28:40.820 suspicion is Bragg is
00:28:42.000 not a big fan of
00:28:42.780 Biden either so I
00:28:44.460 doubt that that was
00:28:45.400 his driving
00:28:46.120 motivation to
00:28:47.060 cover up for
00:28:48.580 the growing
00:28:49.680 evidence of
00:28:50.500 Biden family
00:28:51.180 corruption now I
00:28:52.120 will say you
00:28:52.740 know you you
00:28:53.240 pointed out you
00:28:53.840 said last week
00:28:54.540 was a big week
00:28:55.320 my reaction
00:28:56.520 listening to that
00:28:57.240 was to chuckle
00:28:58.340 I'm like well
00:28:59.180 wait a second
00:28:59.960 how could that
00:29:01.120 possibly be I
00:29:01.980 didn't see it on
00:29:02.660 CNN I didn't see
00:29:03.700 it on ABC or
00:29:04.960 CBS or NBC
00:29:06.100 like the corporate
00:29:07.600 media just ignores
00:29:08.740 the evidence so
00:29:09.480 if you listen to
00:29:10.640 this podcast you
00:29:12.400 know the facts
00:29:13.120 if you listen to
00:29:14.940 a handful of
00:29:15.760 conservative media
00:29:16.600 outlets you can
00:29:17.460 find at least
00:29:18.480 some of the
00:29:18.900 facts but the
00:29:21.080 corporate media
00:29:21.860 utterly ignores it
00:29:22.940 so my suspicion
00:29:24.240 about the timing
00:29:25.080 is it was less
00:29:26.280 that Bragg is
00:29:28.520 driven by wanting
00:29:29.620 to change the
00:29:30.440 media story but
00:29:32.420 the instant this
00:29:34.480 began happening I
00:29:35.800 think the media
00:29:36.460 was more than
00:29:37.300 eager to jump all
00:29:38.540 over it and change
00:29:39.300 the topic because
00:29:40.100 they certainly
00:29:40.800 didn't want to be
00:29:41.760 forced to
00:29:43.040 discuss the
00:29:44.260 evidence that
00:29:44.820 came out last
00:29:45.620 week that up
00:29:47.020 to four Biden
00:29:48.060 family members
00:29:48.860 now collectively
00:29:50.820 received over
00:29:51.840 one million
00:29:52.760 dollars from the
00:29:53.600 Chinese communists
00:29:54.440 that's a big
00:29:55.740 big deal the
00:29:56.940 media doesn't
00:29:57.480 want anyone to
00:29:58.420 know about it
00:29:59.060 and so the best
00:29:59.800 way to do that
00:30:00.540 is to talk
00:30:01.160 instead about
00:30:02.540 who Trump was
00:30:03.260 sleeping with a 0.68
00:30:03.960 decade ago and
00:30:05.060 and if we can
00:30:05.640 talk about porn
00:30:06.460 stars and
00:30:07.380 distract people
00:30:08.360 from the sitting
00:30:09.960 president and his
00:30:10.980 family receiving
00:30:11.820 over a million
00:30:12.520 bucks from the
00:30:13.420 Chinese communists
00:30:14.420 well that's
00:30:15.120 that that's
00:30:15.820 convenient for
00:30:16.940 the political
00:30:17.420 narrative from
00:30:18.140 the corporate
00:30:18.520 media one of
00:30:19.580 the things that
00:30:20.060 the media is
00:30:20.860 covering is
00:30:22.080 Donald Trump
00:30:22.840 and they're now
00:30:23.420 saying that he
00:30:24.120 is threatening
00:30:24.700 violence again
00:30:25.880 he put out a
00:30:27.380 message about
00:30:28.360 the possible
00:30:29.180 is possible
00:30:29.820 arrest and I
00:30:31.020 want people to
00:30:31.660 be able to hear
00:30:32.160 what Trump had
00:30:32.840 to say quickly
00:30:33.480 and then I
00:30:33.980 want you to
00:30:34.420 hear CNN
00:30:35.660 clearly take
00:30:36.740 him out of
00:30:37.080 context treating
00:30:37.860 him like he's
00:30:38.380 a domestic 0.97
00:30:39.020 terrorist here's 0.98
00:30:39.960 Trump in his 0.86
00:30:40.420 own words
00:30:40.960 these four
00:30:42.120 horrible radical 0.97
00:30:43.560 left Democrat
00:30:44.800 investigations of
00:30:46.220 your all-time
00:30:47.600 favorite president
00:30:48.580 me is just a
00:30:50.760 continuation of the 0.99
00:30:52.060 most disgusting 0.63
00:30:52.980 witch hunt in the
00:30:54.540 history of our
00:30:55.120 country it's gone on
00:30:56.080 forever with Russia 0.99
00:30:57.040 Russia Russia and
00:30:58.560 Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine
00:30:59.860 and the Mueller
00:31:00.680 hoax it's an
00:31:02.320 absolute disgrace
00:31:03.660 what's going on
00:31:04.940 they even spied on
00:31:06.360 my campaign and
00:31:08.480 remember this with
00:31:09.900 all of the work
00:31:10.800 that they did on
00:31:12.040 Mueller no
00:31:13.280 collusion that's
00:31:14.760 what the answer
00:31:15.400 was was all no
00:31:16.900 collusion whether
00:31:18.320 it's the Mar-a-Lago
00:31:19.780 raid or the
00:31:21.220 unselect committee
00:31:22.020 hoax the perfect
00:31:23.940 Georgia phone call
00:31:24.920 it was absolutely
00:31:25.680 perfect or the
00:31:27.680 stormy horse face
00:31:29.020 Daniels extortion
00:31:30.760 plot they're all 0.99
00:31:32.520 sick and it's fake 0.98
00:31:34.340 news our enemies 0.77
00:31:35.460 are desperate to
00:31:36.500 stop us because
00:31:37.280 they know that we
00:31:39.320 are the only ones
00:31:40.460 who can stop them
00:31:41.440 and they know it
00:31:42.180 very strongly and
00:31:43.720 they're looking at
00:31:44.340 the polls where not
00:31:45.840 me but we are up
00:31:47.540 by so much they
00:31:48.560 can't even believe
00:31:49.380 it now you hear him
00:31:50.900 say that and how
00:31:52.440 does CNN spin it
00:31:53.540 they say that the
00:31:55.100 president of the
00:31:55.660 United States of
00:31:56.220 America is
00:31:56.960 threatening violence
00:31:58.040 again and he
00:31:58.660 should be treated
00:31:59.200 basically like a 0.84
00:31:59.860 domestic terrorist
00:32:00.700 here's CNN in
00:32:01.600 their own words
00:32:02.340 your reaction to
00:32:03.200 Trump's claim that
00:32:04.140 he will be arrested
00:32:04.980 Tuesday his calls
00:32:06.760 for protests and
00:32:07.980 by the way the
00:32:08.640 Manhattan DA's
00:32:09.340 office still not
00:32:10.080 confirming that there
00:32:11.200 is any imminent
00:32:12.240 arrest or indictment
00:32:13.660 that is scheduled
00:32:14.880 for Tuesday
00:32:15.380 right and that's
00:32:17.340 part of the story
00:32:17.980 that he's he's
00:32:18.720 putting a specific
00:32:19.760 date on it that
00:32:20.600 the DA's office
00:32:21.740 is not but I
00:32:23.120 obviously the larger
00:32:24.220 point is the one
00:32:25.040 Fred that you
00:32:25.540 mentioned you know
00:32:26.840 if you are the
00:32:27.720 most sympathetic
00:32:28.280 observer possible to
00:32:29.500 Donald Trump and
00:32:30.740 you do double
00:32:31.320 backflips you can
00:32:32.680 find some credence
00:32:33.760 in his argument
00:32:34.660 that on January
00:32:35.640 6th he did not
00:32:36.780 know that his
00:32:38.280 language would lead
00:32:39.280 to violence but
00:32:40.600 January 6th has now
00:32:41.920 happened he knows
00:32:43.140 the effect of the
00:32:44.020 language that he
00:32:44.660 used that day and
00:32:45.500 how it led to
00:32:46.480 violence and here he
00:32:47.560 is coming very
00:32:48.680 close to that
00:32:49.440 language again it
00:32:51.100 makes it very hard
00:32:52.180 to avoid the
00:32:52.900 conclusion that he
00:32:54.040 is willing to use
00:32:56.120 the threat of
00:32:57.100 violence as part of
00:32:58.660 his political
00:32:59.240 strategy and that
00:33:00.700 is just a reminder
00:33:01.880 of the very
00:33:02.660 different era we
00:33:03.600 are in that we
00:33:04.400 have been at any
00:33:05.260 point in American
00:33:06.480 history where you
00:33:07.300 have Trump the
00:33:08.400 leader of a
00:33:09.100 political movement
00:33:09.960 who is routinely
00:33:11.280 willing to raise
00:33:12.400 the specter of
00:33:13.200 violence as a way
00:33:14.500 of advancing his
00:33:16.220 goals and so many
00:33:17.580 conservative
00:33:18.440 commentators and
00:33:20.060 members of Congress
00:33:20.960 who have condemned
00:33:22.240 preemptively the
00:33:23.820 possibility of
00:33:24.720 indictment remain
00:33:26.340 silent on his
00:33:28.320 raising this threat
00:33:30.300 of violence so that I
00:33:32.500 think is is just
00:33:33.360 enormously significant
00:33:34.660 and a marker of the
00:33:35.740 very different era
00:33:36.500 that we are in
00:33:37.300 politically that we
00:33:38.380 have ever been in
00:33:39.100 before I mean
00:33:40.520 they're pretty much
00:33:41.040 calling out what I
00:33:41.960 do they're calling
00:33:42.680 out you senator
00:33:43.540 saying as a member
00:33:44.260 of Congress and
00:33:45.440 basically saying that
00:33:46.260 you're aiding and
00:33:46.960 abetting a domestic
00:33:47.900 terrorist who's now
00:33:48.800 calling for a massive
00:33:49.740 uprising in the
00:33:50.560 country that's not
00:33:51.940 what I heard from
00:33:52.620 Donald Trump I
00:33:53.400 heard a former
00:33:54.460 president saying this
00:33:55.380 is an activist day
00:33:56.320 who's gone rogue yet
00:33:57.360 again with four
00:33:58.220 different times they're
00:33:59.560 batting over three on
00:34:00.520 the first ones and
00:34:01.300 now they're going at
00:34:02.020 me again CNN is
00:34:04.320 not a news
00:34:05.200 organization they
00:34:06.920 are a left-wing
00:34:07.920 propaganda outlet
00:34:09.080 and they lie for a
00:34:12.080 living every word of
00:34:14.460 that diatribe including
00:34:15.840 and but and the were
00:34:18.500 lies nothing Trump
00:34:20.940 said was a call for
00:34:22.580 violence if you look
00:34:24.760 at his truth social
00:34:26.060 post he said quote he
00:34:28.480 will be arrested on
00:34:29.900 Tuesday of next week
00:34:31.200 protest take our
00:34:34.100 nation back now the
00:34:35.860 last I checked the
00:34:36.920 word protest is not
00:34:39.060 the same thing as
00:34:39.920 riot it is not commit
00:34:41.320 violence the last I
00:34:43.300 checked the first
00:34:44.080 amendment to the
00:34:44.680 constitution the very
00:34:45.720 first protection in the
00:34:47.280 bill of rights
00:34:47.880 protects our right to
00:34:50.600 protest our right to
00:34:53.000 stand up and speak out
00:34:54.580 and what the left does
00:34:57.560 and in fact what the
00:34:59.080 left has done since
00:35:00.060 January 6th is they've
00:35:01.820 tried to smear the
00:35:03.160 thousands of people who
00:35:04.580 engaged in peaceful
00:35:06.580 protests they tried to
00:35:08.040 smear those protesters
00:35:10.000 with the violent action 0.60
00:35:12.480 of a much smaller
00:35:13.640 cohort my view is simple
00:35:15.760 and is consistent if you
00:35:17.300 commit violence you
00:35:18.680 should go to jail the 0.54
00:35:20.220 irony is that whole
00:35:21.500 screed from CNN the
00:35:23.260 right does not excuse
00:35:24.420 violence if you commit
00:35:25.940 violence if you assault
00:35:27.000 a police officer you
00:35:28.420 ought to be in a jail 0.98
00:35:29.340 cell a long damn time 0.97
00:35:31.000 but you know who does 0.95
00:35:32.660 excuse violence the
00:35:33.960 left the Democrat
00:35:35.120 party the media the
00:35:36.700 CNN happily sat there
00:35:39.420 cooing about the
00:35:41.580 Antifa and Black Lives 0.83
00:35:43.180 Matter riots across the
00:35:44.700 country listening while
00:35:47.060 Democrats called it a
00:35:48.260 summer of love as
00:35:50.100 great American cities
00:35:51.380 burned as police cars
00:35:52.860 were firebombed as
00:35:54.340 stores were looted as
00:35:55.700 police officers were
00:35:56.720 murdered now let's be
00:35:57.960 clear the Black Lives 1.00
00:35:59.560 Matter riots there were
00:36:01.780 some people engaged in
00:36:03.380 peaceful protests they
00:36:04.460 had a right to do that
00:36:05.780 but there were hundreds if
00:36:07.960 not thousands of people
00:36:09.480 engaged in organized acts
00:36:12.080 of violence and the
00:36:13.960 Democrats turned a blind
00:36:15.300 eye to it the media not
00:36:17.140 only ignored it they
00:36:18.300 celebrated it and Kamala
00:36:20.440 Harris went so far as to
00:36:21.960 raise bail money to bail
00:36:24.220 out of jail the violent
00:36:26.180 criminals committing acts
00:36:27.620 of violence and you don't
00:36:28.820 have to go back three years
00:36:30.880 ago you can go to right now
00:36:33.920 right now you have
00:36:35.760 aggressive threatening
00:36:37.200 rioters outside of the
00:36:39.440 homes of Supreme Court
00:36:40.600 justices threatening the
00:36:42.480 justices and their families
00:36:43.820 threatening their children
00:36:45.180 their conduct is a federal
00:36:46.840 crime and we have an
00:36:48.260 attorney general under Joe
00:36:49.480 Biden who just ignores the
00:36:51.060 law refuses to enforce
00:36:52.540 that law why because he
00:36:55.700 and the Biden White House
00:36:56.860 agree with the people who
00:36:59.280 are committing criminal
00:37:00.300 offenses they are quite
00:37:01.620 content to use threats of
00:37:03.940 violence to advance their
00:37:05.580 political ends by the way
00:37:06.800 they're also not investing
00:37:08.280 resources in prosecuting the
00:37:11.520 people who are firebombing
00:37:13.120 crisis pregnancy centers across
00:37:15.260 the country why because they
00:37:17.140 are perfectly happy to use
00:37:18.600 violence for their ends so
00:37:20.260 look Marxists what they
00:37:23.760 accuse you of doing
00:37:25.760 typically they are doing and
00:37:28.960 CNN illustrated that right
00:37:31.460 there and then that was not a
00:37:32.860 call for violence and let's be 0.97
00:37:34.100 clear my hope my my prayer my
00:37:36.800 urging to everyone is no one
00:37:39.260 should engage in violence this
00:37:40.780 week or any other week but
00:37:42.680 peaceful protesting speaking out
00:37:45.320 that is protected by the
00:37:47.760 Constitution and that is good
00:37:49.400 for America I want to ask you
00:37:51.340 one final question about an
00:37:52.800 eligibility issue there's so
00:37:54.560 much misinformation out there
00:37:56.080 senator about if the president
00:37:58.060 is a indicted does he is he
00:38:00.300 ineligible to be president and be
00:38:02.000 if he is convicted before
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00:39:24.100 finally Senator there's so much
00:39:26.600 misinformation out there and I've seen
00:39:28.800 a lot of fodder about this people
00:39:31.040 saying well the Democrats win if they
00:39:33.100 indict Donald Trump that means he's
00:39:35.080 ineligible to be president I've seen
00:39:36.780 others that have said well if he's
00:39:38.460 indicted they'll rush to a jury trial
00:39:40.600 because if he is convicted then he'll
00:39:43.100 be ineligible to be president what is
00:39:45.200 the law actually say well it doesn't say
00:39:48.520 any of that so first of all there is no
00:39:54.240 prohibition on someone who is indicted
00:39:56.140 running for president there's no
00:39:57.580 prohibition on someone who is indicted
00:39:59.220 being elected president sadly we have
00:40:02.880 seen far too many political officials
00:40:04.820 both candidates and and office holders
00:40:08.600 indicted for political and partisan
00:40:10.380 reasons in my book justice corrupted and
00:40:13.600 look this podcast wasn't supposed to
00:40:15.240 entirely focus on the book but the
00:40:17.640 entire book is written on what's
00:40:19.140 happening right now I talked about DOJ's
00:40:22.560 prosecution of Ted Stevens Ted Stevens was
00:40:25.200 a senator from Alaska he was a Republican
00:40:28.280 he was an incredibly long-serving senator
00:40:30.980 the Department of Justice bought brought a
00:40:33.520 corruption case against him tried him
00:40:36.160 and he ended up being defeated in the
00:40:39.180 election on election day a Democrat won
00:40:41.740 the Alaska Senate seat subsequently it
00:40:44.620 turned out the prosecution had engaged in
00:40:46.500 massive misconduct and the entire thing
00:40:49.500 was a political persecution it was designed
00:40:51.700 to do what it did which is weaken him
00:40:54.080 politically and let the Democrat win
00:40:55.980 likewise I talk about in the book the the
00:40:58.960 prosecution of Bob Menendez Bob Menendez
00:41:01.660 is a Democrat senator and DOJ announced that
00:41:06.780 they leaked an indictment against Bob
00:41:10.180 Menendez for misuse of campaign funds
00:41:12.700 where but they did it literally the day that
00:41:17.200 Bob Menendez announced his opposition to the
00:41:20.900 Biden Iran nuclear deal the Biden White House
00:41:23.780 was mad at him because he was a Democrat
00:41:26.520 opposing the catastrophic Iran nuclear agreement
00:41:29.960 and so their DOJ in a naked act of politics 0.94
00:41:33.920 they leaked then they leaked then in order to
00:41:41.040 punish Menendez for daring oppose the White House
00:41:44.900 by the way we see the Biden DOJ doing doing
00:41:49.140 political leaks constantly at the end of the
00:41:52.580 day the the Menendez case went to trial and
00:41:54.980 they lost at trial so there are no consequences
00:41:58.880 other than political for being indicted and the
00:42:02.120 question is well what if you're convicted well if
00:42:04.740 you're convicted that doesn't mean you're
00:42:07.760 ineligible to to run for president or be
00:42:10.380 president either it's happened in the past for
00:42:13.680 example the socialist Eugene Debs ran for
00:42:17.360 president four times in the early 1900s and
00:42:20.020 he was a candidate while he was in jail
00:42:22.060 so he was literally as a socialist in jail
00:42:25.860 running for president and and the Constitution
00:42:28.780 article 2 section 1 of the Constitution provides
00:42:32.240 the qualifications for president and nothing in
00:42:35.240 that clause precludes felons precludes people
00:42:40.140 who are incarcerated from running for president or
00:42:43.780 serving as president there is just one mechanism
00:42:46.540 that could theoretically happen which is if Trump
00:42:51.340 were prosecuted if he were convicted and if the
00:42:53.760 House of Representatives were subsequently to
00:42:56.020 impeach him yet again and if the Senate were to
00:42:59.980 convict him in what would now be his third impeachment
00:43:02.880 trial
00:43:03.760 one of the penalties that the Senate can impose in
00:43:09.740 the impeachment of a president is to prohibit him from
00:43:12.460 running for office in the future so that is a penalty that is
00:43:16.780 theoretically possible but it would take the House of
00:43:19.900 Representatives which is controlled by a Republican majority and it would
00:43:23.100 take two-thirds of the Senate to impeach and then convict Trump and
00:43:29.260 make him ineligible for office the chances of that happening I can
00:43:33.500 quantify precisely are 0.00 percent this is a Democrat fever dream this is a
00:43:41.300 corporate media fever dream the consequences of this are purely
00:43:46.160 political and I want to underscore Alvin Bragg you know you know sometimes
00:43:50.580 Donald Trump in in many respects has enjoyed a great deal of luck in his life
00:43:57.520 and one of the areas where he's enjoyed a lot of luck is in having the right
00:44:01.460 enemies there were times where where the Trump presidency was in difficult
00:44:06.860 straits and yet the Democrats and media hated him so much that they were so
00:44:12.280 over the top attacking him that it had the reverse effect and it rallied voters
00:44:18.040 behind him and they said you know if those SOBs hate him that much he's got to be the
00:44:22.940 right guy that dynamic is is very much alive here I'll tell you if I were a
00:44:28.860 partisan Democrat if I wanted a Democrat to win in 2024 as president I would be 0.81
00:44:35.940 beside myself right now that this clown from Manhattan is going to bring a case 0.93
00:44:42.080 that is ridiculous that is legally weak and in fact here I'll I'll read you what 0.91
00:44:47.560 Jonathan Turley Jonathan Turley is a law professor very smart well-respected law
00:44:53.100 professor left of center but willing to speak the truth even when it doesn't
00:44:58.760 further Democrats interest here's what Turley wrote last week in the Hill quote
00:45:03.520 Trump faces serious legal threats in the ongoing Mar-a-Lago investigation but the
00:45:08.580 New York New York case would be easily dismissed outside of a jurisdiction like New
00:45:15.020 York where Bragg can count on highly motivated judges and jurors although it
00:45:20.220 may be politically popular the case is legally pathetic Bragg is struggling to
00:45:27.460 twist state laws to effectively prosecute a federal case long ago rejected by the
00:45:32.860 Justice Department against Trump over his payment of hush money to former stripper
00:45:37.240 Stormy Daniels if Bragg brings this case and he tries it to a jury
00:45:44.440 and he loses which is what should happen if Trump wins at trial that single action
00:45:53.280 could be the single most decisive action that elects Trump as president that helps
00:45:58.520 him win the Republican nomination number one but that helps him win the general
00:46:03.200 number two if I were a partisan Democrat I would be crying in my beer right now that
00:46:09.560 they are so extreme so partisan so abusive that they are driving the American people the
00:46:16.740 other direction Elon Musk as he put it in a tweet he said if they do this he believes
00:46:21.940 that Donald Trump will get reelected in the landslide just for the reason that you just
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