Verdict with Ted Cruz - Trump Indictment Is Garbage - Understand The Facts & Law To Know Why This Is a Brazen Political Persecution

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00:00:06.140 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:10.180 And on March the 18th, former President Donald Trump announced via True Social

00:00:14.920 that he, quote, will be arrested on Tuesday of this coming week now.

00:00:21.220 Protests take our nation back.

00:00:24.260 A spokesman for President Trump stated that the former president

00:00:27.540 has not received a notification from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office

00:00:31.740 regarding any potential indictment, and his post was highlighting his innocence.

00:00:37.820 Senator President Trump saying, hey, this is coming.

00:00:41.200 Be ready for it. Be ready to protest.

00:00:44.020 Let's talk about what he could be indicted for

00:00:47.160 and how we got to this point with an activist DA in New York.

00:00:52.440 Well, let me say several things. 0.95

00:00:54.240 Number one, obviously this is a big damn deal. 0.87

00:00:57.540 If the former president of the United States is arrested tomorrow, 0.94

00:01:00.860 that is historic.

00:01:02.660 It has never happened in the history of our nation

00:01:04.480 that a former president of the United States has been arrested.

00:01:08.440 Number two, the case from the Manhattan District Attorney,

00:01:12.680 if they bring an indictment and charge him, 1.00

00:01:15.200 is utter and complete crap. 0.99

00:01:18.620 Actually, as groundskeeper Willie would put it on the Simpsons, 1.00

00:01:21.480 it's crap, I tell you, it's crap. 1.00

00:01:24.460 It is flimsy. 1.00

00:01:26.600 It is weak.

00:01:27.760 It has been rejected by prosecutor after prosecutor after prosecutor,

00:01:31.500 and it is obviously political retribution and a political persecution.

00:01:37.900 Number three, if this case is brought to the jury and the prosecutor loses,

00:01:47.280 the richest irony of everything is it may be left-wing, Soros-funded,

00:01:54.280 Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, more than anyone else,

00:01:58.180 who will have re-elected Donald Trump as president of the United States.

00:02:04.060 Because this is, if you want to talk about how to unify Republicans

00:02:08.540 behind Donald Trump in the primary,

00:02:11.980 having an unhinged left-wing prosecution,

00:02:15.920 complete with perhaps a perp walk for the cameras

00:02:19.800 that ends up being thrown out and ends in failure

00:02:23.700 could be the single biggest in-kind gift

00:02:27.040 to the Donald Trump campaign of this entire cycle.

00:02:31.140 Let's, before we get into the politics of this,

00:02:33.340 I want to get to people so they understand who this district attorney is.

00:02:37.100 This is a George Soros-backed district attorney.

00:02:39.820 This is an activist DA.

00:02:41.640 And as you mentioned, no one else was willing to do this,

00:02:44.560 but I guess this is how he gets campaign contributions.

00:02:47.120 Well, unfortunately, that's right.

00:02:50.880 Alvin Bragg is the district attorney in Manhattan.

00:02:55.200 He is newly elected.

00:02:57.000 He was supported by more than a million dollars from George Soros.

00:03:02.780 That's how he got elected.

00:03:05.000 And one of the very first things he's done

00:03:07.440 is dramatically reduce the prosecution of violent crime in New York.

00:03:14.180 According to the Daily Mail in November of 2022,

00:03:17.120 Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg

00:03:19.800 downgraded 52% of felony cases to misdemeanors

00:03:25.640 compared to 39% in all of 2019, according to new data.

00:03:30.700 By the way, Bragg's conviction rate,

00:03:34.060 even after downgrading the cases,

00:03:35.960 his conviction rate is 51%.

00:03:39.080 Barely half the cases his lawyers bring to trial get convicted.

00:03:42.780 That's down from 68% in 2019.

00:03:45.460 That is shockingly bad for a DA's office to have a conviction rate of 51%.

00:03:51.620 And if you compare it, his predecessor was Cyrus Vance Jr.,

00:03:58.460 another left-wing Democrat DA.

00:04:01.560 Between 2013 and 2020, former DA Cyrus Vance Jr.

00:04:08.080 never exceeded 40% in the percentage of cases downgraded from felony to misdemeanor.

00:04:15.180 Alvin Bragg has already gone up to 52%,

00:04:18.420 and he campaigned on the promise of criminal justice reform,

00:04:23.220 which in George Soros' world means letting violent criminals go.

00:04:28.100 Now, here's the irony.

00:04:29.840 This DA comes into office and he sets his hallmark of,

00:04:33.100 if you're a violent criminal, if you assault someone,

00:04:36.040 we're going to downgrade your crime from a felony to a misdemeanor.

00:04:40.120 We're going to release you.

00:04:41.040 We're going to let you commit yet more violent crimes in Manhattan. 0.74

00:04:44.140 Again, the irony is the legal theory that he is pursuing against Donald Trump,

00:04:50.880 in all likelihood, will be an incredibly aggressive legal theory

00:04:55.140 based on going the other way, on taking a misdemeanor and elevating it to a felony.

00:05:01.180 And nobody is confused as to why he is doing this.

00:05:04.860 He is doing this because he's a partisan Democrat and he hates Donald Trump.

00:05:08.580 Now, he has a right to hate Donald Trump,

00:05:10.200 but he doesn't have a right to abuse and corrupt the justice system,

00:05:15.240 to persecute his political opponents,

00:05:17.960 and that, sadly, is exactly what he's doing here.

00:05:20.700 You talk about this persecution of your political opponents,

00:05:24.520 and this goes back to what you warned about

00:05:28.920 and spent a lot of time actually working on in your last book,

00:05:33.100 Justice Corrupted, How the Left Weaponized Our Legal System. 0.59

00:05:38.380 Now, you started this book back in January of last year.

00:05:41.760 It came out in October.

00:05:43.600 This book, in your mindset more than a year ago,

00:05:47.660 was the worry that the left had gained control of our legal system

00:05:53.260 and then was going to weaponize our legal system

00:05:57.420 to take out political opponents.

00:05:59.900 Now, George Soros has been funding this. 0.64

00:06:02.500 He has done a damn good job, I give him credit,

00:06:04.960 of basically turning upside down district attorneys' offices 0.82

00:06:09.660 all over the country

00:06:11.280 and using them for criminal justice reform,

00:06:17.900 bail reform, jail reform,

00:06:19.820 and defund the police or drive the police insane.

00:06:22.680 The other thing that's done

00:06:24.240 is it's then also allowed for them to weaponize

00:06:27.100 and go after political opponents.

00:06:28.780 Now, your entire book was basically warning America about this.

00:06:32.440 You saw this coming

00:06:34.780 and you realized that they were putting the pieces of this puzzle together

00:06:38.480 and here we are now

00:06:39.640 with a president of the United States of America

00:06:41.480 that may have a mudshot this week. 0.93

00:06:43.520 Well, unfortunately, I did see this coming.

00:06:46.080 You write the book.

00:06:46.800 I spent much of last year writing the book.

00:06:48.640 It came out in October

00:06:49.660 and it goes into depth

00:06:51.880 on how the left is weaponizing our legal system.

00:06:55.160 There's an entire chapter

00:06:56.180 on George Soros DAs,

00:06:58.140 on the millions of dollars that Soros has spent

00:07:00.340 putting radicals in the position of district attorney.

00:07:03.560 District attorney races used to be sleepy races

00:07:06.380 typically between people who are both prosecutors,

00:07:09.260 who are both campaigning on,

00:07:10.780 we're going to lock up the bad guys,

00:07:11.940 we're going to put violent criminals in jail,

00:07:13.660 and you'd have a back and forth on competence,

00:07:15.980 often without a whole lot of partisanship.

00:07:18.780 Soros has invested tens of millions of dollars

00:07:21.920 in putting radicals,

00:07:23.660 people like Alvin Bragg,

00:07:25.080 in this position

00:07:25.840 because he understands power.

00:07:27.080 I will give Soros credit.

00:07:29.660 He has found the weak points

00:07:32.440 in our democracy and our rule of law,

00:07:34.700 and he has devoted millions of dollars

00:07:37.120 to attacking those weak points,

00:07:39.280 which have been having tremendous negative effect.

00:07:42.420 And so there's an entire chapter

00:07:43.760 in Justice Corrupted

00:07:45.340 that explains what specifically

00:07:47.260 the Soros DAs are doing.

00:07:49.260 There's also an entire chapter

00:07:50.620 that goes through Crossfire Hurricane,

00:07:53.000 how the Department of Justice

00:07:55.340 and the FBI were weaponized

00:07:57.340 against Donald Trump,

00:07:58.480 were used to attack

00:08:00.100 the person who was then

00:08:02.320 the Republican nominee to be president,

00:08:04.040 and then once he became president,

00:08:05.840 the hardcore partisans

00:08:07.060 that had burrowed into DOJ

00:08:08.720 and the FBI

00:08:09.300 continued that witch hunt against him,

00:08:12.460 and the book details that at great length.

00:08:14.820 And so I would encourage you,

00:08:15.920 if you want to understand

00:08:16.800 what is going on right now

00:08:18.880 with the Biden DOJ

00:08:20.840 and this George Soros prosecutor

00:08:23.880 targeting Trump,

00:08:25.480 go buy the book Justice Corrupted.

00:08:27.360 It just came out a couple of months ago,

00:08:28.980 and it walks you through the details

00:08:31.560 of what happened.

00:08:33.540 I want to get into the play-by-play

00:08:36.300 of if, in fact,

00:08:37.500 the president is indicted,

00:08:39.060 how does that go through the process?

00:08:41.660 How will he be arraigned?

00:08:43.100 Will there be mugshots?

00:08:44.540 How all that happens for people

00:08:46.280 so they understand

00:08:46.960 how this could play out

00:08:47.860 with him saying,

00:08:48.400 I'm going to be arrested.

00:08:49.140 That's the president's words,

00:08:50.980 former President Donald Trump's words.

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00:10:18.840 So, I want to go back

00:10:20.580 to the former President Trump's

00:10:22.580 tweet, Senator,

00:10:23.500 and he says,

00:10:24.300 look, I'm going to be arrested.

00:10:25.880 This is going to happen.

00:10:27.440 If this does happen,

00:10:29.820 is there a very,

00:10:30.960 I mean,

00:10:31.260 is there going to be

00:10:32.540 a mugshot of Donald Trump

00:10:35.960 and is that going to be

00:10:37.260 victory for the Democrats?

00:10:38.840 And how does this go,

00:10:40.020 how does this happen?

00:10:41.140 How are his attorneys

00:10:42.280 brought into this?

00:10:43.180 Tell people how this

00:10:44.100 will play out legally.

00:10:45.460 So, presumably,

00:10:46.520 there will be a mugshot

00:10:47.480 if he is, in fact, arrested.

00:10:49.120 There are a couple of ways

00:10:49.920 they can do it.

00:10:50.960 Typically,

00:10:51.360 when you have an attorney

00:10:52.480 who's represented by counsel

00:10:53.880 and an arrest warrant

00:10:56.080 is issued,

00:10:56.800 you typically will give

00:10:58.160 that client the opportunity

00:10:59.820 to turn himself in,

00:11:01.080 particularly when the client

00:11:02.140 is not a flight risk.

00:11:05.600 We saw recently,

00:11:07.100 in fact,

00:11:07.400 I think last week's pod,

00:11:08.480 discussed how the Biden DOJ

00:11:11.500 sent over 20 FBI agents

00:11:14.000 to the house of Mark Hauk,

00:11:16.020 who was a pro-life activist.

00:11:17.900 They showed up with body armor

00:11:19.140 and helmets

00:11:19.700 and machine guns

00:11:21.420 and arrested him

00:11:22.760 at the crack of dawn

00:11:23.640 in front of his wife

00:11:24.500 and seven children

00:11:25.280 who were crying.

00:11:26.520 That was utterly unnecessary.

00:11:28.040 In that instance,

00:11:29.060 Mark Hauk,

00:11:29.920 his attorney had offered,

00:11:31.260 okay,

00:11:31.420 if you're going to prosecute him,

00:11:32.560 he'll turn himself in.

00:11:34.140 And the Biden DOJ said,

00:11:36.000 no, no,

00:11:36.640 we want to come raid you. 0.99

00:11:39.300 Likewise,

00:11:39.840 we saw the Biden FBI

00:11:41.580 raided Mar-a-Lago

00:11:43.440 searching for documents.

00:11:44.760 There was a sharp contrast,

00:11:46.520 a double standard

00:11:47.400 between how they raided Mar-a-Lago

00:11:49.260 searching for documents,

00:11:50.760 but they were perfectly happy

00:11:52.100 to let Joe Biden's attorneys

00:11:53.700 turn over one set

00:11:55.100 of classified documents

00:11:56.120 after another,

00:11:56.840 after another,

00:11:57.400 after another,

00:11:58.560 because this is political

00:12:00.860 and partisan justice.

00:12:02.060 In any sane world,

00:12:03.880 if they issue an arrest warrant,

00:12:05.660 they will allow Trump

00:12:07.080 to turn himself in

00:12:08.100 and they won't actually

00:12:10.260 try to forcibly arrest him.

00:12:11.720 I think that's likely.

00:12:13.480 But if there is an arrest,

00:12:15.980 there presumably

00:12:16.660 will be a mugshot.

00:12:18.280 There is an entire

00:12:19.840 canon of politician mugshots.

00:12:25.980 Unfortunately,

00:12:26.460 we've seen politicized

00:12:28.620 prosecutions before.

00:12:30.140 There is a question about

00:12:31.800 does the politician

00:12:32.760 smile or not.

00:12:34.780 You know,

00:12:35.460 you may remember

00:12:36.080 Tom DeLay

00:12:36.840 when he was indicted.

00:12:38.120 You may remember

00:12:38.620 Rick Perry

00:12:39.260 when he was indicted.

00:12:40.920 And smiling is one thing.

00:12:42.980 It leads to kind of

00:12:44.060 a strange mugshot

00:12:45.980 when you have a picture

00:12:46.860 of someone

00:12:47.480 in front of the hash marks

00:12:49.800 for the different height levels

00:12:50.920 and holding a little placard

00:12:54.020 with their name

00:12:54.800 and number on it.

00:12:56.860 And if they're smiling

00:12:57.880 like a politician,

00:12:58.760 it's often quite dissonant.

00:13:01.320 I don't know how Trump

00:13:02.380 will handle that,

00:13:03.320 but will the media

00:13:04.080 and the Democrats

00:13:04.800 go crazy

00:13:06.280 if there's a Trump mugshot?

00:13:08.080 Of course they will.

00:13:09.520 But at the end of the day,

00:13:11.600 I think the image matters less

00:13:14.500 than the facts and reality.

00:13:16.640 And let me explain 0.99

00:13:17.380 why this case is crap. 0.98

00:13:19.140 So this all stems back 0.96

00:13:21.340 to 2016,

00:13:22.880 which was,

00:13:23.500 2016 was a long time ago.

00:13:24.760 That was seven years ago.

00:13:26.440 And in 2016,

00:13:28.280 Trump allegedly paid

00:13:29.780 $130,000 to Stormy Daniels.

00:13:32.760 Remember Stormy Daniels

00:13:33.960 who was a stripper 0.74

00:13:35.060 and porn star

00:13:36.320 and allegedly had 0.85

00:13:37.360 an affair with Trump.

00:13:39.380 And the allegation is

00:13:40.700 that Trump paid

00:13:41.800 $130,000 of hush money.

00:13:43.980 Basically paid her

00:13:44.940 $130,000 to keep quiet

00:13:47.460 because in 2016

00:13:48.560 he was running for president

00:13:49.740 and he didn't want

00:13:50.720 a bunch of stories

00:13:51.500 about his affair

00:13:52.640 with Stormy Daniels.

00:13:53.580 The person who allegedly

00:13:56.340 delivered the money

00:13:57.460 was Michael Cohen.

00:13:59.160 Michael Cohen

00:13:59.760 was, of course,

00:14:01.320 Trump's personal lawyer.

00:14:02.620 He was often involved

00:14:03.760 in pretty shady conduct.

00:14:06.980 Michael Cohen himself

00:14:07.900 has now served prison time.

00:14:09.600 He has turned hard on Trump.

00:14:11.540 He hates Trump.

00:14:12.960 Michael Cohen

00:14:13.580 is the chief witness

00:14:15.260 for the prosecution

00:14:16.120 in this instance.

00:14:17.780 And look,

00:14:18.900 as an ordinary matter,

00:14:20.360 paying someone hush money

00:14:22.720 is not typically illegal.

00:14:26.140 You know,

00:14:26.420 if, you know,

00:14:28.320 Ben,

00:14:28.800 if you paid me

00:14:29.840 $1,000 not to tweet out

00:14:31.760 that I saw you

00:14:32.460 mowing your lawn

00:14:33.220 in a pink tutu last week,

00:14:35.180 that might be...

00:14:37.380 If that was true,

00:14:38.000 I would pay you

00:14:38.560 more than $1,000,

00:14:39.760 but keep going.

00:14:40.680 Look,

00:14:40.940 that might be

00:14:41.480 entirely understandable

00:14:42.660 and it might be $2,000

00:14:43.960 to delete the photo

00:14:44.760 I took on my iPhone

00:14:45.740 of you doing so.

00:14:47.340 But doing that

00:14:48.640 is not illegal.

00:14:49.640 Like paying someone

00:14:50.560 to do something

00:14:51.340 not to do something,

00:14:52.480 that on the face of it

00:14:53.520 is not illegal.

00:14:54.280 So what is it

00:14:55.120 that the DA

00:14:56.000 is trying to say

00:14:57.080 is illegal?

00:14:58.940 And by the way,

00:15:00.120 look,

00:15:00.440 unfortunately,

00:15:01.440 people in both parties,

00:15:03.340 men and women,

00:15:03.980 have affairs.

00:15:04.680 They shouldn't.

00:15:05.640 Affairs destroy marriages,

00:15:07.420 destroy lives, 0.81

00:15:08.180 but this is not

00:15:09.520 the first time

00:15:10.320 that has happened

00:15:11.560 in the history

00:15:12.060 of the world.

00:15:14.300 Paying

00:15:14.780 an adulterous lover

00:15:16.680 to keep quiet

00:15:17.480 is something

00:15:18.220 an awful lot

00:15:19.520 of Democrats,

00:15:20.180 an awful lot

00:15:20.620 of Republicans

00:15:21.140 have done.

00:15:22.460 It's not good

00:15:23.460 or right or moral.

00:15:24.520 It is typically

00:15:25.140 not illegal to do.

00:15:27.360 So what is

00:15:28.120 the Manhattan DA's

00:15:29.140 theory here?

00:15:29.760 Well,

00:15:29.920 it's based on

00:15:30.660 something called

00:15:31.520 New York Penal Law

00:15:33.300 175.05.

00:15:36.000 That is a statute

00:15:37.060 that makes it a crime

00:15:38.040 when an individual,

00:15:39.040 number one,

00:15:40.260 makes or causes

00:15:41.240 a false entry

00:15:42.280 in the business records

00:15:43.240 of an enterprise,

00:15:44.560 or two,

00:15:45.440 alters,

00:15:45.920 erases,

00:15:46.420 obliterates,

00:15:47.040 deletes,

00:15:47.300 removes or destroys

00:15:48.340 a true entry

00:15:49.100 in the business records

00:15:49.940 of an enterprise,

00:15:51.240 or three,

00:15:52.560 omits to make

00:15:53.920 a true entry

00:15:54.520 in the business records

00:15:55.300 of an enterprise

00:15:55.860 in violation of a duty

00:15:57.000 to do so,

00:15:57.640 which he knows

00:15:58.380 to be imposed on him

00:15:59.320 by law

00:15:59.880 or the nature

00:16:00.680 of his position,

00:16:01.540 or four,

00:16:02.780 prevents the making

00:16:03.780 of a true entry

00:16:04.500 or causes the omission

00:16:05.440 thereofs in the business

00:16:06.580 records of an enterprise.

00:16:07.540 Now, what the heck

00:16:07.940 does that mean?

00:16:08.980 It's a bookkeeping

00:16:09.960 requirement.

00:16:10.580 It's basically

00:16:11.120 don't keep bogus books.

00:16:13.100 Don't keep fake books

00:16:15.560 in a business.

00:16:18.080 Now,

00:16:19.660 the allegation here

00:16:21.220 is that the $130,000

00:16:22.700 was recorded

00:16:24.780 as legal expenses

00:16:26.220 because Trump paid

00:16:27.520 Michael Cohen

00:16:28.400 $130,000

00:16:29.420 when in fact

00:16:30.540 it was not legal expenses

00:16:32.500 in the sense of

00:16:33.500 paying the hourly rate

00:16:34.620 of your lawyer,

00:16:35.400 but it was money

00:16:36.660 that was given

00:16:37.220 to Stormy Daniels

00:16:38.000 to keep quiet.

00:16:38.600 So that's the allegation.

00:16:40.360 Now,

00:16:41.340 it actually gets

00:16:42.660 more complicated

00:16:44.420 than that

00:16:45.180 because

00:16:46.940 New York Penal Law

00:16:48.640 175.05

00:16:50.280 is a second-degree

00:16:52.260 Class A misdemeanor

00:16:53.500 which has a maximum

00:16:55.100 jail sentence

00:16:55.820 of one year

00:16:56.460 and has a two-year

00:16:58.220 statute of limitations

00:16:59.200 which means

00:17:00.020 the DA can't charge

00:17:01.940 Trump for something

00:17:02.640 that happened

00:17:03.080 seven years ago

00:17:04.040 as a misdemeanor

00:17:05.260 because the statute

00:17:06.000 of limitations

00:17:06.600 has run.

00:17:08.040 So,

00:17:09.400 what would the DA do?

00:17:11.760 Well,

00:17:12.700 there's a second provision

00:17:14.120 which is

00:17:14.740 New York Penal Law

00:17:15.760 175.10.

00:17:18.520 That is a felony

00:17:19.740 and for it to be

00:17:21.640 a felony

00:17:22.160 which has a longer

00:17:23.060 statute of limitations,

00:17:24.880 the prosecutor

00:17:26.100 must prove

00:17:27.400 that Trump

00:17:28.300 committed

00:17:28.840 the misdemeanor

00:17:30.700 business record

00:17:31.420 falsifications

00:17:32.160 and that his intent

00:17:34.840 to defraud

00:17:35.700 includes an intent

00:17:38.100 to commit

00:17:38.720 another crime

00:17:39.640 or to aid

00:17:41.460 in concealing

00:17:43.000 the commission

00:17:43.600 of another crime.

00:17:44.520 So,

00:17:44.900 he's got to piggyback

00:17:46.020 not just was this

00:17:47.780 a bogus

00:17:48.520 business record

00:17:50.160 but it was done

00:17:51.520 to hide

00:17:52.060 the commission

00:17:52.540 of another crime

00:17:53.280 and presumably

00:17:54.100 the theory

00:17:55.620 for the other crime

00:17:56.660 would be

00:17:57.040 some sort of

00:17:57.740 election

00:17:58.180 federal election

00:18:00.040 violation

00:18:00.680 that this money

00:18:01.680 was somehow

00:18:02.420 a campaign expenditure

00:18:03.780 that you were hiding.

00:18:04.700 It would be

00:18:05.940 something like that.

00:18:08.080 Now,

00:18:08.920 number one,

00:18:11.420 the Mueller report

00:18:12.420 already examined

00:18:13.540 this exact issue.

00:18:14.980 Did Donald Trump

00:18:15.720 commit a federal

00:18:16.500 campaign violation

00:18:17.580 through the alleged

00:18:19.440 $130,000

00:18:20.440 hush payment

00:18:21.460 to Stormy Daniels

00:18:22.560 and Mueller

00:18:23.840 decided not to prosecute,

00:18:25.140 decided there was

00:18:25.940 not enough here

00:18:26.680 to prosecute.

00:18:27.580 The Southern District

00:18:28.620 of New York,

00:18:29.200 the U.S. prosecutor

00:18:30.240 in New York

00:18:31.060 and I think it's fair

00:18:32.020 to say there is

00:18:32.760 no love lost

00:18:33.800 between the Southern District

00:18:35.140 of New York

00:18:35.680 and Donald Trump.

00:18:37.020 They decided not

00:18:37.980 to prosecute

00:18:38.720 because the evidence,

00:18:39.780 A, because Michael Cohen

00:18:40.940 is an exceptionally

00:18:41.960 unreliable witness,

00:18:45.420 someone would have,

00:18:46.160 I think,

00:18:46.520 serious credibility problems,

00:18:48.280 but B,

00:18:49.460 because this is

00:18:50.480 really,

00:18:51.340 really attenuated,

00:18:52.580 look,

00:18:52.780 they actually tried

00:18:53.960 to prosecute

00:18:55.220 John Edwards.

00:18:56.000 Remember John Edwards,

00:18:56.900 the former Democrat senator

00:18:58.140 who did the same thing,

00:18:59.920 paid off his mistress

00:19:00.740 to keep her quiet

00:19:01.740 and they went after him,

00:19:02.980 alleging that

00:19:04.380 that was really

00:19:04.960 a campaign expenditure

00:19:05.960 and they lost.

00:19:06.620 The jury said,

00:19:07.320 get the hell out of here

00:19:08.120 and they lost.

00:19:09.360 So,

00:19:10.000 in this instance,

00:19:13.520 the Manhattan DA

00:19:14.860 has to piggy bank

00:19:17.160 one alleged state violation

00:19:19.000 and another alleged

00:19:19.980 federal violation,

00:19:21.480 both of which

00:19:22.380 are exceptionally weak.

00:19:24.740 Legally,

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00:19:57.720 If this case is tried,

00:20:02.100 how does that play out?

00:20:03.520 He's indicted,

00:20:04.420 you get a mug shot,

00:20:05.840 is there a trial date

00:20:07.160 that would then be set

00:20:08.560 because the question

00:20:09.600 is going to be,

00:20:10.500 how does that affect

00:20:11.800 the president's run

00:20:13.200 for the presidency?

00:20:14.380 He's already announced

00:20:15.380 he's going to run again,

00:20:16.520 Senator.

00:20:17.320 So,

00:20:17.640 how does that play out

00:20:19.020 and do you go to trial quickly

00:20:20.940 so it's not in the middle

00:20:22.760 of an election

00:20:23.400 or does this just,

00:20:24.760 could it be held up

00:20:25.680 in court for a year or two

00:20:27.120 and how does that

00:20:28.860 play out politically?

00:20:30.540 So,

00:20:31.200 usually you would go to court

00:20:32.840 relatively quickly

00:20:34.080 on this sort of thing.

00:20:35.060 Now,

00:20:35.420 I will readily admit

00:20:37.080 I have not practiced

00:20:38.380 law in New York state courts.

00:20:40.900 I've certainly not practiced

00:20:41.860 criminal law

00:20:42.460 in New York state courts.

00:20:43.440 So,

00:20:43.680 I don't have

00:20:44.200 personal familiarity

00:20:45.620 with trying a case like this

00:20:47.400 in New York state courts.

00:20:49.280 That being said,

00:20:50.360 typically for a criminal

00:20:51.360 provision,

00:20:53.160 there's a speedy trial

00:20:55.260 obligation

00:20:56.680 and this would ordinarily

00:20:58.620 proceed relatively quickly.

00:21:00.960 The first step

00:21:01.680 would be the district attorney

00:21:02.780 going and getting

00:21:03.720 an indictment

00:21:04.860 from a grand jury.

00:21:05.960 Now,

00:21:06.240 given the politics

00:21:09.100 in New York,

00:21:09.960 I suspect it would be

00:21:10.720 very easy

00:21:11.240 to get an indictment.

00:21:12.140 When you get an indictment

00:21:13.460 from a grand jury,

00:21:15.260 the criminal defendant

00:21:16.060 isn't in there.

00:21:16.820 Your lawyer doesn't get

00:21:17.780 to make an argument

00:21:18.500 to the grand jury

00:21:19.280 as to why you shouldn't

00:21:20.320 be indicted.

00:21:21.320 And so,

00:21:21.780 that leads to

00:21:22.540 the old aphorism

00:21:24.100 that a prosecutor

00:21:25.120 could indict

00:21:25.680 a ham sandwich.

00:21:26.680 And so,

00:21:27.700 I think if the DA

00:21:28.660 decides to go

00:21:30.460 seek an indictment,

00:21:31.360 he'll get an indictment

00:21:32.280 in all likelihood.

00:21:33.600 But bringing this case

00:21:35.280 to the jury

00:21:36.000 is going to be

00:21:37.760 exceptionally difficult,

00:21:39.540 even a biased jury

00:21:41.880 of partisan Democrats.

00:21:45.060 The evidence here

00:21:46.240 is really flimsy.

00:21:47.280 Look,

00:21:47.540 number one,

00:21:48.900 listen,

00:21:49.120 I think cases

00:21:50.120 where people

00:21:50.860 are engaged

00:21:51.880 in sexual infidelities

00:21:54.040 and trying to cover it up,

00:21:55.760 there's been a long history

00:21:56.860 of politicians doing that.

00:21:58.480 Donald Trump

00:21:58.940 is not the first politician

00:22:00.460 alleged to have done that.

00:22:02.280 Obviously,

00:22:02.780 Bill Clinton famously

00:22:03.980 had a career

00:22:05.580 involved in doing this.

00:22:07.620 John Edwards

00:22:08.080 had these issues.

00:22:10.960 I think juries

00:22:12.000 are often skeptical

00:22:13.340 of holding people

00:22:16.300 accountable

00:22:16.840 for what they view

00:22:18.100 as essentially

00:22:19.120 private and personal failings

00:22:21.900 rather than

00:22:22.540 official corruption.

00:22:25.620 I think a lot of juries

00:22:26.960 are not going to be

00:22:28.180 eager to convict,

00:22:29.240 particularly

00:22:29.680 the first criminal conviction

00:22:31.680 of a former president

00:22:32.680 of the United States

00:22:33.460 in the history of our nation.

00:22:34.960 I think there is

00:22:36.160 an understanding

00:22:36.960 that if that is going

00:22:38.000 to happen,

00:22:38.700 the threshold

00:22:39.480 needs to be significant.

00:22:41.960 It shouldn't be

00:22:42.660 some little

00:22:43.180 ticky-tack

00:22:44.080 bookkeeping

00:22:45.320 claim

00:22:46.740 that

00:22:48.420 if Trump's name

00:22:51.120 were Donald Smith,

00:22:52.260 the chances

00:22:52.900 that Alvin Bragg

00:22:53.860 would be bringing

00:22:54.340 this case

00:22:55.000 are zero.

00:22:56.200 It is 100%

00:22:57.620 because he hates

00:22:58.660 Donald Trump

00:22:59.300 why this case

00:23:00.120 will be brought.

00:23:01.020 I'll point out also,

00:23:02.340 look,

00:23:03.100 we've talked a lot

00:23:03.860 in the podcast

00:23:04.400 about how I believe

00:23:05.820 the Biden Department

00:23:07.240 of Justice

00:23:07.720 wants to indict Trump.

00:23:08.940 and I think

00:23:10.900 Merrick Garland

00:23:11.620 personally wants

00:23:12.660 to indict Trump

00:23:13.480 on federal charges,

00:23:14.620 federal charges

00:23:15.220 that if brought

00:23:15.940 I think would be

00:23:17.140 more serious

00:23:17.900 than these charges

00:23:19.340 that apparently

00:23:20.280 are going to be

00:23:20.700 brought this week.

00:23:22.340 But Merrick Garland's

00:23:24.460 effort has gotten

00:23:25.300 much, much more

00:23:26.220 complicated

00:23:26.820 because I think

00:23:28.160 DOJ was on the verge

00:23:29.440 of indicting Trump

00:23:30.300 for the classified

00:23:31.580 documents at Mar-a-Lago

00:23:32.760 when suddenly

00:23:34.620 Joe Biden

00:23:36.280 appeared to have

00:23:36.840 classified documents

00:23:37.820 just about everywhere

00:23:39.000 almost stuck

00:23:40.240 in the glove compartment

00:23:41.360 of his Corvette.

00:23:42.220 I mean it

00:23:42.680 and as we talked

00:23:44.360 about in this podcast

00:23:45.200 look,

00:23:45.680 legally that's not

00:23:47.060 technically a problem

00:23:48.700 but it creates

00:23:50.740 an obvious

00:23:51.860 political problem

00:23:53.720 because the double

00:23:54.620 standard is evident.

00:23:56.080 If the Biden DOJ

00:23:57.720 says

00:23:58.360 if Trump has

00:23:59.640 classified documents

00:24:00.700 we want to put him

00:24:01.380 in jail

00:24:01.780 but if Biden has

00:24:02.600 classified documents

00:24:03.500 at his home

00:24:04.160 no biggie

00:24:05.380 all good with us

00:24:06.760 even people

00:24:08.000 not paying attention

00:24:08.920 say wait a second

00:24:09.840 that's a double

00:24:11.400 standard.

00:24:11.860 Well here's

00:24:12.620 a huge double

00:24:14.000 standard with the

00:24:14.800 Alvin Bragg

00:24:15.700 potential prosecution

00:24:17.280 of Trump

00:24:17.860 which is the theory

00:24:19.340 that he's basing it

00:24:20.260 on

00:24:20.520 that

00:24:21.780 Trump

00:24:23.060 gave

00:24:24.720 $130,000

00:24:25.920 recorded it

00:24:27.340 as legal fees

00:24:29.200 when in fact

00:24:30.600 it was hush money

00:24:32.100 to Stormy Daniels

00:24:33.280 well that is

00:24:34.360 precisely

00:24:35.360 the charge

00:24:36.920 that was raised

00:24:38.160 against Hillary Clinton

00:24:39.320 Hillary Clinton

00:24:40.620 funded

00:24:41.340 the so-called

00:24:42.760 Steele dossier

00:24:43.760 this is something

00:24:44.940 again that I discuss

00:24:45.940 at great length

00:24:46.860 in the book

00:24:47.260 Justice Corrupted

00:24:48.200 the Steele dossier

00:24:49.060 the Hillary Clinton

00:24:50.240 campaign paid over

00:24:51.300 a million dollars

00:24:52.320 to make

00:24:54.180 the Steele dossier

00:24:55.420 which is

00:24:55.980 it's a work of fiction

00:24:57.400 it is a political

00:24:58.520 hit job

00:24:59.540 but she covered

00:25:01.340 up the payments

00:25:02.280 for making

00:25:02.800 the Steele dossier

00:25:03.800 by calling

00:25:05.160 those payments

00:25:06.220 legal fees

00:25:07.280 so she did

00:25:08.380 the exact

00:25:09.640 same thing

00:25:10.720 Donald Trump

00:25:11.720 is accused

00:25:12.280 of doing

00:25:12.780 well

00:25:13.020 and to be clear

00:25:13.840 she was not

00:25:14.660 indicted

00:25:15.100 I want to make

00:25:15.640 that very clear

00:25:16.420 remind people

00:25:17.300 of the double

00:25:17.720 standard here

00:25:18.360 she was not

00:25:19.240 indicted

00:25:19.540 by the way

00:25:20.180 she's a resident

00:25:20.940 of New York

00:25:21.600 so she could

00:25:22.660 have been indicted

00:25:23.220 under this

00:25:24.080 statute

00:25:24.600 by this DA

00:25:26.160 and by the way

00:25:28.220 she did it

00:25:28.900 at the same

00:25:29.760 time Trump

00:25:30.400 was doing

00:25:30.800 this is the

00:25:31.300 2016 election

00:25:32.400 so she literally

00:25:33.920 did exactly

00:25:35.600 the same thing

00:25:36.600 at exactly

00:25:37.300 the same place

00:25:38.360 at exactly

00:25:39.280 the same time

00:25:40.320 but Alvin Bragg

00:25:42.000 is a Democrat

00:25:42.600 so he doesn't

00:25:43.300 want to indict

00:25:43.920 Hillary Clinton

00:25:44.560 even though

00:25:45.280 their conduct

00:25:45.880 was identical

00:25:46.540 although

00:25:46.940 let me put

00:25:47.720 in a caveat

00:25:48.280 I have no

00:25:49.200 evidence to

00:25:49.780 suggest that

00:25:50.460 Hillary Clinton

00:25:51.080 had a sexual

00:25:51.700 relationship

00:25:52.260 with Stormy Daniels

00:25:53.300 so that conduct

00:25:54.720 I'm not suggesting

00:25:55.640 was identical

00:25:56.420 but the payments

00:25:58.820 that are called

00:25:59.460 legal fees

00:26:00.220 they both did

00:26:01.020 the exact same

00:26:01.900 thing

00:26:02.320 how the hell 0.93

00:26:04.280 do you just 0.50

00:26:04.820 go after

00:26:05.440 the opposing

00:26:06.660 party

00:26:07.140 and not your

00:26:07.820 own party's

00:26:08.460 nominee

00:26:08.720 I gotta ask

00:26:09.860 you also

00:26:10.220 about the

00:26:10.620 timing of this

00:26:11.440 there was

00:26:12.420 big breaking

00:26:13.200 news

00:26:13.620 that the

00:26:14.040 Biden crime

00:26:14.840 family

00:26:15.280 had expanded

00:26:16.300 this past

00:26:17.500 week

00:26:17.760 with payments

00:26:18.720 coming from

00:26:19.340 the Chinese

00:26:19.760 communist

00:26:20.240 government

00:26:21.460 you know

00:26:22.120 these sectors

00:26:23.140 and jobs

00:26:23.980 that were

00:26:24.300 sending cash

00:26:25.160 back to the

00:26:25.780 Biden crime

00:26:26.320 family

00:26:26.720 now has

00:26:27.200 expanded

00:26:27.560 to more

00:26:27.920 family members

00:26:28.680 and exactly

00:26:29.880 the same

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00:28:23.160 Hunter and

00:28:23.600 James Biden

00:28:24.340 then in the

00:28:25.960 middle of the

00:28:26.300 same week when

00:28:26.920 this happens

00:28:27.720 and they're

00:28:28.380 forced to

00:28:28.880 respond bam

00:28:29.720 we're hearing

00:28:30.140 about an

00:28:30.480 indictment of

00:28:30.940 Donald Trump

00:28:31.480 is there any

00:28:32.660 connection in

00:28:33.480 your mind between

00:28:34.200 these timing of

00:28:35.080 these two stories

00:28:35.900 look I don't know

00:28:37.960 that that was the

00:28:38.800 driving factor for

00:28:39.860 Alvin Bragg my

00:28:40.820 suspicion is Bragg is

00:28:42.000 not a big fan of

00:28:42.780 Biden either so I

00:28:44.460 doubt that that was

00:28:45.400 his driving

00:28:46.120 motivation to

00:28:47.060 cover up for

00:28:48.580 the growing

00:28:49.680 evidence of

00:28:50.500 Biden family

00:28:51.180 corruption now I

00:28:52.120 will say you

00:28:52.740 know you you

00:28:53.240 pointed out you

00:28:53.840 said last week

00:28:54.540 was a big week

00:28:55.320 my reaction

00:28:56.520 listening to that

00:28:57.240 was to chuckle

00:28:58.340 I'm like well

00:28:59.180 wait a second

00:28:59.960 how could that

00:29:01.120 possibly be I

00:29:01.980 didn't see it on

00:29:02.660 CNN I didn't see

00:29:03.700 it on ABC or

00:29:04.960 CBS or NBC

00:29:06.100 like the corporate

00:29:07.600 media just ignores

00:29:08.740 the evidence so

00:29:09.480 if you listen to

00:29:10.640 this podcast you

00:29:12.400 know the facts

00:29:13.120 if you listen to

00:29:14.940 a handful of

00:29:15.760 conservative media

00:29:16.600 outlets you can

00:29:17.460 find at least

00:29:18.480 some of the

00:29:18.900 facts but the

00:29:21.080 corporate media

00:29:21.860 utterly ignores it

00:29:22.940 so my suspicion

00:29:24.240 about the timing

00:29:25.080 is it was less

00:29:26.280 that Bragg is

00:29:28.520 driven by wanting

00:29:29.620 to change the

00:29:30.440 media story but

00:29:32.420 the instant this

00:29:34.480 began happening I

00:29:35.800 think the media

00:29:36.460 was more than

00:29:37.300 eager to jump all

00:29:38.540 over it and change

00:29:39.300 the topic because

00:29:40.100 they certainly

00:29:40.800 didn't want to be

00:29:41.760 forced to

00:29:43.040 discuss the

00:29:44.260 evidence that

00:29:44.820 came out last

00:29:45.620 week that up

00:29:47.020 to four Biden

00:29:48.060 family members

00:29:48.860 now collectively

00:29:50.820 received over

00:29:51.840 one million

00:29:52.760 dollars from the

00:29:53.600 Chinese communists

00:29:54.440 that's a big

00:29:55.740 big deal the

00:29:56.940 media doesn't

00:29:57.480 want anyone to

00:29:58.420 know about it

00:29:59.060 and so the best

00:29:59.800 way to do that

00:30:00.540 is to talk

00:30:01.160 instead about

00:30:02.540 who Trump was

00:30:03.260 sleeping with a 0.68

00:30:03.960 decade ago and

00:30:05.060 and if we can

00:30:05.640 talk about porn

00:30:06.460 stars and

00:30:07.380 distract people

00:30:08.360 from the sitting

00:30:09.960 president and his

00:30:10.980 family receiving

00:30:11.820 over a million

00:30:12.520 bucks from the

00:30:13.420 Chinese communists

00:30:14.420 well that's

00:30:15.120 that that's

00:30:15.820 convenient for

00:30:16.940 the political

00:30:17.420 narrative from

00:30:18.140 the corporate

00:30:18.520 media one of

00:30:19.580 the things that

00:30:20.060 the media is

00:30:20.860 covering is

00:30:22.080 Donald Trump

00:30:22.840 and they're now

00:30:23.420 saying that he

00:30:24.120 is threatening

00:30:24.700 violence again

00:30:25.880 he put out a

00:30:27.380 message about

00:30:28.360 the possible

00:30:29.180 is possible

00:30:29.820 arrest and I

00:30:31.020 want people to

00:30:31.660 be able to hear

00:30:32.160 what Trump had

00:30:32.840 to say quickly

00:30:33.480 and then I

00:30:33.980 want you to

00:30:34.420 hear CNN

00:30:35.660 clearly take

00:30:36.740 him out of

00:30:37.080 context treating

00:30:37.860 him like he's

00:30:38.380 a domestic 0.97

00:30:39.020 terrorist here's 0.98

00:30:39.960 Trump in his 0.86

00:30:40.420 own words

00:30:40.960 these four

00:30:42.120 horrible radical 0.97

00:30:43.560 left Democrat

00:30:44.800 investigations of

00:30:46.220 your all-time

00:30:47.600 favorite president

00:30:48.580 me is just a

00:30:50.760 continuation of the 0.99

00:30:52.060 most disgusting 0.63

00:30:52.980 witch hunt in the

00:30:54.540 history of our

00:30:55.120 country it's gone on

00:30:56.080 forever with Russia 0.99

00:30:57.040 Russia Russia and

00:30:58.560 Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine

00:30:59.860 and the Mueller

00:31:00.680 hoax it's an

00:31:02.320 absolute disgrace

00:31:03.660 what's going on

00:31:04.940 they even spied on

00:31:06.360 my campaign and

00:31:08.480 remember this with

00:31:09.900 all of the work

00:31:10.800 that they did on

00:31:12.040 Mueller no

00:31:13.280 collusion that's

00:31:14.760 what the answer

00:31:15.400 was was all no

00:31:16.900 collusion whether

00:31:18.320 it's the Mar-a-Lago

00:31:19.780 raid or the

00:31:21.220 unselect committee

00:31:22.020 hoax the perfect

00:31:23.940 Georgia phone call

00:31:24.920 it was absolutely

00:31:25.680 perfect or the

00:31:27.680 stormy horse face

00:31:29.020 Daniels extortion

00:31:30.760 plot they're all 0.99

00:31:32.520 sick and it's fake 0.98

00:31:34.340 news our enemies 0.77

00:31:35.460 are desperate to

00:31:36.500 stop us because

00:31:37.280 they know that we

00:31:39.320 are the only ones

00:31:40.460 who can stop them

00:31:41.440 and they know it

00:31:42.180 very strongly and

00:31:43.720 they're looking at

00:31:44.340 the polls where not

00:31:45.840 me but we are up

00:31:47.540 by so much they

00:31:48.560 can't even believe

00:31:49.380 it now you hear him

00:31:50.900 say that and how

00:31:52.440 does CNN spin it

00:31:53.540 they say that the

00:31:55.100 president of the

00:31:55.660 United States of

00:31:56.220 America is

00:31:56.960 threatening violence

00:31:58.040 again and he

00:31:58.660 should be treated

00:31:59.200 basically like a 0.84

00:31:59.860 domestic terrorist

00:32:00.700 here's CNN in

00:32:01.600 their own words

00:32:02.340 your reaction to

00:32:03.200 Trump's claim that

00:32:04.140 he will be arrested

00:32:04.980 Tuesday his calls

00:32:06.760 for protests and

00:32:07.980 by the way the

00:32:08.640 Manhattan DA's

00:32:09.340 office still not

00:32:10.080 confirming that there

00:32:11.200 is any imminent

00:32:12.240 arrest or indictment

00:32:13.660 that is scheduled

00:32:14.880 for Tuesday

00:32:15.380 right and that's

00:32:17.340 part of the story

00:32:17.980 that he's he's

00:32:18.720 putting a specific

00:32:19.760 date on it that

00:32:20.600 the DA's office

00:32:21.740 is not but I

00:32:23.120 obviously the larger

00:32:24.220 point is the one

00:32:25.040 Fred that you

00:32:25.540 mentioned you know

00:32:26.840 if you are the

00:32:27.720 most sympathetic

00:32:28.280 observer possible to

00:32:29.500 Donald Trump and

00:32:30.740 you do double

00:32:31.320 backflips you can

00:32:32.680 find some credence

00:32:33.760 in his argument

00:32:34.660 that on January

00:32:35.640 6th he did not

00:32:36.780 know that his

00:32:38.280 language would lead

00:32:39.280 to violence but

00:32:40.600 January 6th has now

00:32:41.920 happened he knows

00:32:43.140 the effect of the

00:32:44.020 language that he

00:32:44.660 used that day and

00:32:45.500 how it led to

00:32:46.480 violence and here he

00:32:47.560 is coming very

00:32:48.680 close to that

00:32:49.440 language again it

00:32:51.100 makes it very hard

00:32:52.180 to avoid the

00:32:52.900 conclusion that he

00:32:54.040 is willing to use

00:32:56.120 the threat of

00:32:57.100 violence as part of

00:32:58.660 his political

00:32:59.240 strategy and that

00:33:00.700 is just a reminder

00:33:01.880 of the very

00:33:02.660 different era we

00:33:03.600 are in that we

00:33:04.400 have been at any

00:33:05.260 point in American

00:33:06.480 history where you

00:33:07.300 have Trump the

00:33:08.400 leader of a

00:33:09.100 political movement

00:33:09.960 who is routinely

00:33:11.280 willing to raise

00:33:12.400 the specter of

00:33:13.200 violence as a way

00:33:14.500 of advancing his

00:33:16.220 goals and so many

00:33:17.580 conservative

00:33:18.440 commentators and

00:33:20.060 members of Congress

00:33:20.960 who have condemned

00:33:22.240 preemptively the

00:33:23.820 possibility of

00:33:24.720 indictment remain

00:33:26.340 silent on his

00:33:28.320 raising this threat

00:33:30.300 of violence so that I

00:33:32.500 think is is just

00:33:33.360 enormously significant

00:33:34.660 and a marker of the

00:33:35.740 very different era

00:33:36.500 that we are in

00:33:37.300 politically that we

00:33:38.380 have ever been in

00:33:39.100 before I mean

00:33:40.520 they're pretty much

00:33:41.040 calling out what I

00:33:41.960 do they're calling

00:33:42.680 out you senator

00:33:43.540 saying as a member

00:33:44.260 of Congress and

00:33:45.440 basically saying that

00:33:46.260 you're aiding and

00:33:46.960 abetting a domestic

00:33:47.900 terrorist who's now

00:33:48.800 calling for a massive

00:33:49.740 uprising in the

00:33:50.560 country that's not

00:33:51.940 what I heard from

00:33:52.620 Donald Trump I

00:33:53.400 heard a former

00:33:54.460 president saying this

00:33:55.380 is an activist day

00:33:56.320 who's gone rogue yet

00:33:57.360 again with four

00:33:58.220 different times they're

00:33:59.560 batting over three on

00:34:00.520 the first ones and

00:34:01.300 now they're going at

00:34:02.020 me again CNN is

00:34:04.320 not a news

00:34:05.200 organization they

00:34:06.920 are a left-wing

00:34:07.920 propaganda outlet

00:34:09.080 and they lie for a

00:34:12.080 living every word of

00:34:14.460 that diatribe including

00:34:15.840 and but and the were

00:34:18.500 lies nothing Trump

00:34:20.940 said was a call for

00:34:22.580 violence if you look

00:34:24.760 at his truth social

00:34:26.060 post he said quote he

00:34:28.480 will be arrested on

00:34:29.900 Tuesday of next week

00:34:31.200 protest take our

00:34:34.100 nation back now the

00:34:35.860 last I checked the

00:34:36.920 word protest is not

00:34:39.060 the same thing as

00:34:39.920 riot it is not commit

00:34:41.320 violence the last I

00:34:43.300 checked the first

00:34:44.080 amendment to the

00:34:44.680 constitution the very

00:34:45.720 first protection in the

00:34:47.280 bill of rights

00:34:47.880 protects our right to

00:34:50.600 protest our right to

00:34:53.000 stand up and speak out

00:34:54.580 and what the left does

00:34:57.560 and in fact what the

00:34:59.080 left has done since

00:35:00.060 January 6th is they've

00:35:01.820 tried to smear the

00:35:03.160 thousands of people who

00:35:04.580 engaged in peaceful

00:35:06.580 protests they tried to

00:35:08.040 smear those protesters

00:35:10.000 with the violent action 0.60

00:35:12.480 of a much smaller

00:35:13.640 cohort my view is simple

00:35:15.760 and is consistent if you

00:35:17.300 commit violence you

00:35:18.680 should go to jail the 0.54

00:35:20.220 irony is that whole

00:35:21.500 screed from CNN the

00:35:23.260 right does not excuse

00:35:24.420 violence if you commit

00:35:25.940 violence if you assault

00:35:27.000 a police officer you

00:35:28.420 ought to be in a jail 0.98

00:35:29.340 cell a long damn time 0.97

00:35:31.000 but you know who does 0.95

00:35:32.660 excuse violence the

00:35:33.960 left the Democrat

00:35:35.120 party the media the

00:35:36.700 CNN happily sat there

00:35:39.420 cooing about the

00:35:41.580 Antifa and Black Lives 0.83

00:35:43.180 Matter riots across the

00:35:44.700 country listening while

00:35:47.060 Democrats called it a

00:35:48.260 summer of love as

00:35:50.100 great American cities

00:35:51.380 burned as police cars

00:35:52.860 were firebombed as

00:35:54.340 stores were looted as

00:35:55.700 police officers were

00:35:56.720 murdered now let's be

00:35:57.960 clear the Black Lives 1.00

00:35:59.560 Matter riots there were

00:36:01.780 some people engaged in

00:36:03.380 peaceful protests they

00:36:04.460 had a right to do that

00:36:05.780 but there were hundreds if

00:36:07.960 not thousands of people

00:36:09.480 engaged in organized acts

00:36:12.080 of violence and the

00:36:13.960 Democrats turned a blind

00:36:15.300 eye to it the media not

00:36:17.140 only ignored it they

00:36:18.300 celebrated it and Kamala

00:36:20.440 Harris went so far as to

00:36:21.960 raise bail money to bail

00:36:24.220 out of jail the violent

00:36:26.180 criminals committing acts

00:36:27.620 of violence and you don't

00:36:28.820 have to go back three years

00:36:30.880 ago you can go to right now

00:36:33.920 right now you have

00:36:35.760 aggressive threatening

00:36:37.200 rioters outside of the

00:36:39.440 homes of Supreme Court

00:36:40.600 justices threatening the

00:36:42.480 justices and their families

00:36:43.820 threatening their children

00:36:45.180 their conduct is a federal

00:36:46.840 crime and we have an

00:36:48.260 attorney general under Joe

00:36:49.480 Biden who just ignores the

00:36:51.060 law refuses to enforce

00:36:52.540 that law why because he

00:36:55.700 and the Biden White House

00:36:56.860 agree with the people who

00:36:59.280 are committing criminal

00:37:00.300 offenses they are quite

00:37:01.620 content to use threats of

00:37:03.940 violence to advance their

00:37:05.580 political ends by the way

00:37:06.800 they're also not investing

00:37:08.280 resources in prosecuting the

00:37:11.520 people who are firebombing

00:37:13.120 crisis pregnancy centers across

00:37:15.260 the country why because they

00:37:17.140 are perfectly happy to use

00:37:18.600 violence for their ends so

00:37:20.260 look Marxists what they

00:37:23.760 accuse you of doing

00:37:25.760 typically they are doing and

00:37:28.960 CNN illustrated that right

00:37:31.460 there and then that was not a

00:37:32.860 call for violence and let's be 0.97

00:37:34.100 clear my hope my my prayer my

00:37:36.800 urging to everyone is no one

00:37:39.260 should engage in violence this

00:37:40.780 week or any other week but

00:37:42.680 peaceful protesting speaking out

00:37:45.320 that is protected by the

00:37:47.760 Constitution and that is good

00:37:49.400 for America I want to ask you

00:37:51.340 one final question about an

00:37:52.800 eligibility issue there's so

00:37:54.560 much misinformation out there

00:37:56.080 senator about if the president

00:37:58.060 is a indicted does he is he

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00:39:24.100 finally Senator there's so much

00:39:26.600 misinformation out there and I've seen

00:39:28.800 a lot of fodder about this people

00:39:31.040 saying well the Democrats win if they

00:39:33.100 indict Donald Trump that means he's

00:39:35.080 ineligible to be president I've seen

00:39:36.780 others that have said well if he's

00:39:38.460 indicted they'll rush to a jury trial

00:39:40.600 because if he is convicted then he'll

00:39:43.100 be ineligible to be president what is

00:39:45.200 the law actually say well it doesn't say

00:39:48.520 any of that so first of all there is no

00:39:54.240 prohibition on someone who is indicted

00:39:56.140 running for president there's no

00:39:57.580 prohibition on someone who is indicted

00:39:59.220 being elected president sadly we have

00:40:02.880 seen far too many political officials

00:40:04.820 both candidates and and office holders

00:40:08.600 indicted for political and partisan

00:40:10.380 reasons in my book justice corrupted and

00:40:13.600 look this podcast wasn't supposed to

00:40:15.240 entirely focus on the book but the

00:40:17.640 entire book is written on what's

00:40:19.140 happening right now I talked about DOJ's

00:40:22.560 prosecution of Ted Stevens Ted Stevens was

00:40:25.200 a senator from Alaska he was a Republican

00:40:28.280 he was an incredibly long-serving senator

00:40:30.980 the Department of Justice bought brought a

00:40:33.520 corruption case against him tried him

00:40:36.160 and he ended up being defeated in the

00:40:39.180 election on election day a Democrat won

00:40:41.740 the Alaska Senate seat subsequently it

00:40:44.620 turned out the prosecution had engaged in

00:40:46.500 massive misconduct and the entire thing

00:40:49.500 was a political persecution it was designed

00:40:51.700 to do what it did which is weaken him

00:40:54.080 politically and let the Democrat win

00:40:55.980 likewise I talk about in the book the the

00:40:58.960 prosecution of Bob Menendez Bob Menendez

00:41:01.660 is a Democrat senator and DOJ announced that

00:41:06.780 they leaked an indictment against Bob

00:41:10.180 Menendez for misuse of campaign funds

00:41:12.700 where but they did it literally the day that

00:41:17.200 Bob Menendez announced his opposition to the

00:41:20.900 Biden Iran nuclear deal the Biden White House

00:41:23.780 was mad at him because he was a Democrat

00:41:26.520 opposing the catastrophic Iran nuclear agreement

00:41:29.960 and so their DOJ in a naked act of politics 0.94

00:41:33.920 they leaked then they leaked then in order to

00:41:41.040 punish Menendez for daring oppose the White House

00:41:44.900 by the way we see the Biden DOJ doing doing

00:41:49.140 political leaks constantly at the end of the

00:41:52.580 day the the Menendez case went to trial and

00:41:54.980 they lost at trial so there are no consequences

00:41:58.880 other than political for being indicted and the

00:42:02.120 question is well what if you're convicted well if

00:42:04.740 you're convicted that doesn't mean you're

00:42:07.760 ineligible to to run for president or be

00:42:10.380 president either it's happened in the past for

00:42:13.680 example the socialist Eugene Debs ran for

00:42:17.360 president four times in the early 1900s and

00:42:20.020 he was a candidate while he was in jail

00:42:22.060 so he was literally as a socialist in jail

00:42:25.860 running for president and and the Constitution

00:42:28.780 article 2 section 1 of the Constitution provides

00:42:32.240 the qualifications for president and nothing in

00:42:35.240 that clause precludes felons precludes people

00:42:40.140 who are incarcerated from running for president or

00:42:43.780 serving as president there is just one mechanism

00:42:46.540 that could theoretically happen which is if Trump

00:42:51.340 were prosecuted if he were convicted and if the

00:42:53.760 House of Representatives were subsequently to

00:42:56.020 impeach him yet again and if the Senate were to

00:42:59.980 convict him in what would now be his third impeachment

00:43:02.880 trial

00:43:03.760 one of the penalties that the Senate can impose in

00:43:09.740 the impeachment of a president is to prohibit him from

00:43:12.460 running for office in the future so that is a penalty that is

00:43:16.780 theoretically possible but it would take the House of

00:43:19.900 Representatives which is controlled by a Republican majority and it would

00:43:23.100 take two-thirds of the Senate to impeach and then convict Trump and

00:43:29.260 make him ineligible for office the chances of that happening I can

00:43:33.500 quantify precisely are 0.00 percent this is a Democrat fever dream this is a

00:43:41.300 corporate media fever dream the consequences of this are purely

00:43:46.160 political and I want to underscore Alvin Bragg you know you know sometimes

00:43:50.580 Donald Trump in in many respects has enjoyed a great deal of luck in his life

00:43:57.520 and one of the areas where he's enjoyed a lot of luck is in having the right

00:44:01.460 enemies there were times where where the Trump presidency was in difficult

00:44:06.860 straits and yet the Democrats and media hated him so much that they were so

00:44:12.280 over the top attacking him that it had the reverse effect and it rallied voters

00:44:18.040 behind him and they said you know if those SOBs hate him that much he's got to be the

00:44:22.940 right guy that dynamic is is very much alive here I'll tell you if I were a

00:44:28.860 partisan Democrat if I wanted a Democrat to win in 2024 as president I would be 0.81

00:44:35.940 beside myself right now that this clown from Manhattan is going to bring a case 0.93

00:44:42.080 that is ridiculous that is legally weak and in fact here I'll I'll read you what 0.91

00:44:47.560 Jonathan Turley Jonathan Turley is a law professor very smart well-respected law

00:44:53.100 professor left of center but willing to speak the truth even when it doesn't

00:44:58.760 further Democrats interest here's what Turley wrote last week in the Hill quote

00:45:03.520 Trump faces serious legal threats in the ongoing Mar-a-Lago investigation but the

00:45:08.580 New York New York case would be easily dismissed outside of a jurisdiction like New

00:45:15.020 York where Bragg can count on highly motivated judges and jurors although it

00:45:20.220 may be politically popular the case is legally pathetic Bragg is struggling to

00:45:27.460 twist state laws to effectively prosecute a federal case long ago rejected by the

00:45:32.860 Justice Department against Trump over his payment of hush money to former stripper

00:45:37.240 Stormy Daniels if Bragg brings this case and he tries it to a jury

00:45:44.440 and he loses which is what should happen if Trump wins at trial that single action

00:45:53.280 could be the single most decisive action that elects Trump as president that helps

00:45:58.520 him win the Republican nomination number one but that helps him win the general

00:46:03.200 number two if I were a partisan Democrat I would be crying in my beer right now that

00:46:09.560 they are so extreme so partisan so abusive that they are driving the American people the

00:46:16.740 other direction Elon Musk as he put it in a tweet he said if they do this he believes

00:46:21.940 that Donald Trump will get reelected in the landslide just for the reason that you just

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - March 20, 2023

Trump Indictment Is Garbage - Understand The Facts & Law To Know Why This Is a Brazen Political Persecution

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