Verdict with Ted Cruz - VP Debate Night： Kamala Loses as her Record was Exposed

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00:00:05.440 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.120 And on debate nights, we get to do a joint podcast, which is really fun for both of us.

00:00:13.880 And Senator, you just watched it. We got to watch it together.

00:00:17.000 You got to commentate on Hannity afterwards.

00:00:19.900 And your initial takeaway from this debate, I thought J.D. had a pretty good night.

00:00:24.920 He had an excellent, excellent night.

00:00:26.180 It is 11.05 p.m. just after the debate. As you noted, I just finished doing Hannity and talking about the debate.

00:00:33.320 I think this was a good night for America. 0.98

00:00:36.500 The winner of the debate tonight was Donald Trump.

00:00:40.280 The loser of the debate tonight was Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:00:44.120 Yeah.

00:00:44.580 Both candidates, I think, did an effective job.

00:00:47.400 Tim Waltz was frankly better than I expected.

00:00:49.960 But he had a very difficult case to make because his job was to defend Kamala Harris's record.

00:00:56.780 And the reason that I think it was such a good night for Trump is I think J.D. did a good job of prosecuting Kamala Harris's actual record.

00:01:06.220 She is desperately, desperately, desperately trying to run away from her record, trying to hide in the basement.

00:01:10.900 And tonight the contrast was made between the incredible successes on the border, on the economy, on foreign policy under Donald Trump, as compared to the incredible failures on the border, on the economy, on foreign policy under Kamala Harris.

00:01:26.240 And that stark divide was there.

00:01:29.760 I think Tim Waltz tried mightily to pretend the record didn't exist.

00:01:35.240 But there were some rough moments because he couldn't deny reality.

00:01:40.920 And it really goes to the fundamental core conceit of the Kamala Harris campaign, which is she is trying to live in this alternate reality where she is the change candidate.

00:01:53.560 And Donald J. Trump is the incumbent president.

00:01:57.200 And that is not, in fact, the planet on which we live.

00:02:01.280 And I think J.D. did a good job multiple times of saying, gosh, if she has all these policy proposals, why isn't she doing any of them now?

00:02:08.840 Yeah, for the last three and a half years.

00:02:10.580 And Waltz has no answer to that other than, well, what's happening now isn't working.

00:02:15.060 So that's a problem.

00:02:16.160 There was one funny part of the debate that I laughed in.

00:02:18.820 And it was when he was talking about how none of the wall was actually built.

00:02:24.200 And then it was like he realized, oh, wait, maybe I don't want to go that far with this point because she's got an ad out showing Donald Trump's wall.

00:02:31.160 And he was like, he kind of backpedaled on it.

00:02:33.120 He's like, well, you guys didn't build much of that wall.

00:02:34.820 It's like, well, now you're not.

00:02:36.240 Didn't she just say, didn't who you're here to represent just say we got to have a secure border, build a wall?

00:02:41.780 Well, and you could tell that Waltz was uncomfortable defending Kamala's record because he kept trying to go back to Minnesota over and over again and say, look at what I've done in Minnesota.

00:02:51.880 Look at what I've done in Minnesota.

00:02:53.120 It's like, wait a second.

00:02:54.540 You're not the candidate for president.

00:02:56.900 Kamala Harris is.

00:02:57.800 She's been the vice president.

00:02:59.320 And I thought in particular the strongest moments of the debate were on economics and the impact for working men and women that just people's lives are harder, that the cost of everything has gone up.

00:03:13.540 The cost of food, the cost of health care, the cost of gasoline.

00:03:18.720 I thought on the cost of housing.

00:03:21.900 I think J.D. Vance made a good point of, look, 11 and a half million illegal immigrants.

00:03:25.980 Do you think that's driving up the cost of housing?

00:03:27.660 And I will say two of the losers tonight were sitting in the moderator chairs, and they seem to be trying to topple prior moderators for the biggest partisan hacks of a debate.

00:03:41.820 I thought CBS's moderators, Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan, did a terrible job. 0.52

00:03:49.020 There is not a person in the universe who watched this debate who has any doubt for who they're voting for.

00:03:55.240 Either one of them is voting for.

00:03:56.600 Like, none whatsoever.

00:03:58.440 Yeah.

00:03:59.260 And the best part was you and I are watching together, and it's fun to watch these things together because I was sitting there.

00:04:04.220 And one of the things that made me laugh was when they did their hands off to each other, it was like, thank you.

00:04:08.460 We have so many important things.

00:04:09.780 Thank you.

00:04:10.280 Back over to you.

00:04:11.020 It was like I was watching Anchorman outtakes.

00:04:13.200 And it was like we are so official journalistic-y here, and we're going to be wonky.

00:04:18.600 And then they would immediately go back into their partisan hackery, which was when they muted him.

00:04:25.620 Yes.

00:04:26.600 Wow.

00:04:27.300 That was a stark moment.

00:04:28.640 I tweeted out.

00:04:29.600 I said, when that happened, I tweeted out.

00:04:30.980 I was like, in communist countries, they mute microphones.

00:04:34.620 They just did it during the vice presidential debate.

00:04:37.240 If you want to know if it's state-sponsored media, they just did it.

00:04:41.580 I really was waiting for them. 0.96

00:04:44.060 You made the Anchorman quip as we were watching the debate, and I was really waiting for one of them to lean over as Ron Burgundy and say, screw you, Santiago.

00:04:52.560 And I'm cleaning the language up a little bit from the actual line of the movie.

00:04:56.420 But it was, number one, stilted.

00:05:00.780 They're moderating.

00:05:01.880 Number two, it was incredibly smarmy and condescending.

00:05:05.380 Their entire attitude is, we know better than all of you.

00:05:08.560 And by the way, the things they interrupted, they were supposed to not do fact checks.

00:05:11.780 When they did do them, they were wrong.

00:05:13.760 And they were completely self-satisfied.

00:05:17.180 And the moment when they cut off J.D. Vance's microphone was pitiful.

00:05:23.020 It was nakedly biased.

00:05:25.100 It was hackery.

00:05:26.320 It was nothing but partisan hackery.

00:05:29.040 And I think CBS really got a black eye.

00:05:31.320 I think that could hurt them, for real, when it comes to people watching.

00:05:34.980 And it's really hard to defend that they were nonpartisan when they did that.

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00:07:13.740 Senator, I want to go back to the beginning of the debate.

00:07:16.740 And the first question coming into the debate was one I think we all knew was going to be on Israel and the attack on Israel from Iran.

00:07:25.340 And Waltz was very, very, very nervous.

00:07:28.200 You could tell, but he also didn't know what to do because there's a hard part of the Democratic Party, especially him in Minnesota, with the extremists there that hate Israel.

00:07:39.740 And they're the ones that are protesting and supporting the terrorists.

00:07:43.420 And when he came out, he had a little bit of an oops.

00:07:45.540 Listen carefully.

00:07:47.780 Iran or Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental. 0.59

00:07:53.540 Getting its hostages back.

00:07:55.480 It's hostages back.

00:07:57.640 I was like, come on, man, you got to do a little bit better than this.

00:08:00.360 But it tells you where the Democratic Party is right now.

00:08:02.920 They don't want to come out and defend Israel too much, but they know they have to defend him on the face tonight.

00:08:08.140 And it was this weird, awkward moment for him.

00:08:11.760 Well, and look, he had a talking point that was written for him, for his handlers, by his handlers, that was to say Israel has a right to defend itself and the hostages should be returned.

00:08:24.300 And so those are the two sentences he was told to say.

00:08:27.440 And then he immediately said, but we have to address the humanitarian crisis in Gaza because that's really what the Democrat Party is worried about is that too many Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists are being killed.

00:08:37.800 And so he had to throw that in.

00:08:39.800 What he didn't say, you know what?

00:08:41.660 He didn't say a word about Iran attacking Israel, firing missiles at Israel.

00:08:46.760 Look, Iran just pummeled Israel with missiles, and that is a major escalation. 0.59

00:08:53.940 Now, Iran has been funding Hamas and funding Hezbollah.

00:08:56.760 It's been fighting through proxies, but this is now Iran directly attacking Israel.

00:09:01.460 And the question he was asked is, would he support Israel striking back?

00:09:09.000 Yeah.

00:09:09.360 And you know what?

00:09:10.000 He didn't answer.

00:09:10.780 No, he did not.

00:09:11.440 He did not want to answer.

00:09:12.480 He did not want to answer at all.

00:09:14.220 And, you know, critically, the opening of his answer, Tim Waltz's answer was, this crisis began on October 7th.

00:09:27.580 Well, that's actually wrong.

00:09:30.260 This crisis began in January of 2021 when Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came in.

00:09:35.980 Yeah.

00:09:36.320 When they began flooding $100 billion to Iran.

00:09:40.560 That's when the crisis, and by the way, when they came in, remember what was happening just weeks before.

00:09:48.440 We had peace flourishing in the Middle East.

00:09:51.080 We had the Abraham Accords signed on the South Lawn of the White House.

00:09:54.640 I was there for the signing of the Abraham Accords. 0.91

00:09:57.060 You know what?

00:09:57.440 Not a single Democrat showed up for the signing of the Abraham Accords.

00:10:01.300 Not a single Democrat senator.

00:10:02.920 Not a single Democrat House member.

00:10:04.620 No one did.

00:10:05.240 I did not realize that.

00:10:06.140 None of them showed up.

00:10:07.860 And that was a deal that dealt with the word they're obsessed with, which is peace, right?

00:10:11.300 Yes.

00:10:11.680 It was historic peace.

00:10:15.160 It was the Arabs and the Israelis coming together and signing historic peace accords.

00:10:20.860 And not only did no Democrats sign up at the signing, and do you know what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris instructed the State Department?

00:10:28.300 What was that?

00:10:29.140 In writing, they said you were not allowed to use the words Abraham Accords.

00:10:33.640 Don't even call them what they were called.

00:10:36.560 They were instructed to call them normalization agreements.

00:10:39.980 But do not use apparently acknowledging Father Abraham is too much.

00:10:45.220 Yeah.

00:10:45.420 And anything that Trump did, they were not allowed to make reference to.

00:10:48.840 But explicitly, the State Department was instructed, don't use the words Abraham Accords.

00:10:53.140 So we went from historic peace, the first peace agreements signed between Israelis and Arabs in four decades,

00:11:01.480 to suddenly Joe Biden and Kamala Harris come in and they start flooding cash into Iran and Iran starts flooding cash into Hamas and Hezbollah that paid for the death squads on October 7th.

00:11:16.020 And Tim Waltz had not a word to say about that, not a word to say about the hundred billion dollars that Kamala Harris gave as a gift to Iran.

00:11:25.240 And you know what, is still giving today, today, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris still refuse to enforce the oil sanctions against Iran.

00:11:34.820 They are literally funding the missiles that were fired on Iran today in a very real sense.

00:11:40.420 Kamala Harris paid for those missiles. 0.98

00:11:42.380 It's shocking also the media when you're watching this.

00:11:44.520 They didn't ask about sanctions.

00:11:46.240 They also didn't ask about Harris and what the response should be from this administration, right?

00:11:50.780 Because she's in the administration. 0.99

00:11:52.200 To be fair, they did.

00:11:52.860 Their question was, would you support a preemptive strike by Israel against Iran?

00:11:59.560 And now it's not actually preemptive because it is in response to the attack.

00:12:03.560 So the word preemptive is a loaded lefty word.

00:12:06.780 It's not preemptive if you're defending yourself after you've been attacked.

00:12:10.100 But that was the question they asked.

00:12:12.840 And to be clear, when asked, would you support it?

00:12:15.720 Kamala is the sitting VP.

00:12:16.980 And we know Joe Biden is is non-compass mentis.

00:12:20.120 I don't know if he's passed out on the beach in Delaware or what he's doing.

00:12:23.460 But but he didn't spend almost two hours on the phone, he said, this weekend talking about hurricane stuff.

00:12:28.800 Almost two hours.

00:12:30.140 Well, you know, and look, I that's a lot of time for him.

00:12:32.640 I believe that because when my girls were young, we had an app on the phone that was the wheels on the bus go round and round.

00:12:38.040 And I believe he spent two hours on the phone, perhaps with an app like that.

00:12:42.660 But the question that they should have asked was, are you guys what would you do differently?

00:12:46.600 What would you advocate for?

00:12:47.740 What would you support sanctions?

00:12:49.620 I mean, you and I talked about this in our in our show on Monday.

00:12:52.340 There was if and correct me if my numbers are wrong, but I'm quoting you.

00:12:56.420 It was 300,000 barrels a day is what Iran was producing when Trump was in office.

00:13:02.020 It's now two million barrels.

00:13:04.780 Well, and I wish J.D. had provided more specifics on that.

00:13:07.840 That answer could have been tighter with more facts on it.

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00:13:40.920 The question I wish they would have asked them is both them like, hey, guys, are you would you right now?

00:13:48.500 Should there be more sanctions or should they be enforcing the sanctions or even the question?

00:13:53.940 Hey, why is your running mate Kamala Harris not doing more to enforce the sanctions? 1.00

00:13:58.340 Or to stop Iran from murdering Donald Trump? 0.63

00:14:00.620 Yes.

00:14:01.280 And that didn't come up tonight, which I was also shocked by because we talked about this again in Monday's pod.

00:14:06.740 You have you have Iran that's funding and recruiting assassins to take out Donald Trump and other former leaders in our government. 0.80

00:14:16.600 And as they're doing that, no one asked that question tonight.

00:14:19.980 Yeah, look, it now I will say a point that Janie made on this that was very effective is when he looked at the camera and he asked the American people, he said, think back in your lifetime.

00:14:31.420 What president has not had a major military conflict during his presidency?

00:14:38.200 And he said, I'm 40 years old and there's only one president that you could answer yes to.

00:14:43.380 And that is Donald J. Trump.

00:14:45.620 Yeah, that was a very effective point.

00:14:47.800 And I think it probably made it made some people think.

00:14:50.140 And Waltz had no response to that other than, well, well, but, you know, I don't like Trump and other people don't like Trump either.

00:14:56.660 But but the simple point that we had peace when Trump was president and we now have war, not just in Israel, but in Ukraine, when you have a weakened and effective commander in chief, that contrast was was pretty stark.

00:15:11.140 I also thought there was another narrative tonight that really got blown up, and that was the obsession by the media to label J.D. Vance is strange or weird.

00:15:20.540 He's a weird guy's odd.

00:15:22.820 I think he came across as very likable, very normal, came across as a dad.

00:15:28.760 And I think that also could help Donald Trump significantly.

00:15:32.780 Yeah.

00:15:33.020 Yeah.

00:15:33.160 No, look, I think that's right.

00:15:34.780 And I will say one of the things that surprised me, I thought this debate was going to be nastier.

00:15:41.140 Yeah, you and I both said that beforehand.

00:15:42.720 You were like, dude, they don't like each other.

00:15:44.220 We both knew that.

00:15:44.900 But I thought it was going to be nasty, too.

00:15:46.480 Look, my sense is that they really dislike each other, although to be fair, I haven't talked to J.D. about that.

00:15:51.620 So I don't know firsthand from him.

00:15:53.800 It's just the appearance from the media and the general milieu is it appears that neither one of them likes each other.

00:16:00.680 And so I thought, you know, I'd used an analogy that they're going to be rolling around in the mud. 0.59

00:16:05.680 This is going to be a mud wrestling match. 0.97

00:16:07.240 And it wasn't.

00:16:08.120 And both of them, neither of them had even a single really nasty line, which is a little surprising.

00:16:16.800 If you'd asked me to bet beforehand, I would have bet it's more likely that they each had a dozen nasty lines at each other than zero.

00:16:25.600 And in fact, both of them more than once praised the other one, which was an interesting, I don't know if that, how much of that was genuine, how much of that was strategic, how much of the campaign said, look, your job is to be likable and relatable.

00:16:43.880 But but.

00:16:45.200 And if it was, it was a great strategy.

00:16:46.980 Yeah, and both did so multiple times, said, said, you know, look, when when Tim Waltz described how his son had witnessed a shooting and which which I didn't know either.

00:16:58.000 And that's that's horrific.

00:16:59.200 You and I are both dads.

00:17:00.220 Yeah, we certainly wouldn't want our kids to see it, see a shooting.

00:17:03.560 Um, and I thought, J.D., when he came back and said, hey, I didn't know your son had done that.

00:17:08.500 I'm really sorry.

00:17:09.260 That's that's like no one.

00:17:10.820 No one.

00:17:11.240 That's horrible.

00:17:12.420 That was real and genuine.

00:17:14.200 And I thought and there were moments back and forth for both of them.

00:17:16.720 I like that.

00:17:17.320 When you look at how this played out tonight, you and I have said this before.

00:17:20.800 And you go back in history.

00:17:22.980 VP debates don't really usually matter.

00:17:26.560 Does it matter a little bit more this time, do you think?

00:17:29.640 Because there was only one presidential debate, number one, and two, because if Donald Trump is he's running for four years, right?

00:17:36.280 He's not there's no chance at eight years here.

00:17:38.720 Does that change the perception of voters as well? 0.96

00:17:42.380 Look, damned if I know.

00:17:45.880 I will say I think this probably mattered at the end of the day. 0.95

00:17:49.640 Historically, VP debates don't matter much.

00:17:52.140 If you think back to VP debates about the only time I'm willing to guess you can only remember one moment, two moments from VP debates, you probably remember the fly landing on Mike Pence's head.

00:18:07.420 And that will be seared into my brain forever.

00:18:09.540 Yes.

00:18:09.820 Especially since Saturday Night Live had a giant fly.

00:18:12.140 And they did a good job.

00:18:12.900 They did a great job with that.

00:18:13.920 But the only line I bet you you can quote, and you're about as much of a political junkie as anyone is, the only line I bet you you can quote is Lloyd Benson to Dan Quayle saying, I knew Jack Kennedy.

00:18:25.460 Jack Kennedy was my friend.

00:18:27.080 Yeah.

00:18:27.300 And Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.

00:18:29.100 Bingo.

00:18:29.760 And that was a long time ago.

00:18:31.420 And that was a damning on.

00:18:32.220 And that was, what, was that 88 or 92?

00:18:34.780 That was, it was Dukakis, Benson.

00:18:38.500 88.

00:18:39.100 And by the way, Dan Quayle and George Bush won.

00:18:41.500 So it didn't change the outcome of the election.

00:18:43.660 It did kind of sear in public consciousness.

00:18:47.500 That was one of the moments where, where the caricature of Quayle is a lightweight, that, that line.

00:18:53.840 It hurt him.

00:18:54.940 It was clearly rehearsed.

00:18:57.460 But he landed it.

00:18:58.120 It was landed very effectively, which is why three decades later we're talking about it.

00:19:04.740 Yeah.

00:19:05.000 And, and, and it was also, I think, defined Dan Quayle as a candidate on his own.

00:19:09.440 Yep.

00:19:09.840 Which was sad.

00:19:10.540 Well, and, and, and the reason it was prepared is because Quayle had been using as a talking point, you know, I'm the same age Jack Kennedy was.

00:19:18.400 Yeah.

00:19:18.680 Because he was trying to say, I'm not inexperienced.

00:19:21.540 And, and, and he looked young.

00:19:22.720 If you remember, he looked really young.

00:19:24.460 He looked like he was 26.

00:19:25.540 Yeah.

00:19:25.800 And it was, Benson was very able to deliver that line.

00:19:29.640 And it was, but historically, VP debates have not moved votes one way or the other.

00:19:36.320 I will say I was glad.

00:19:38.680 And so for most of the debate, JD remembered that his target was Kamala Harris and not Tim Waltz.

00:19:46.220 Yeah.

00:19:46.500 He said that a lot.

00:19:48.500 He's, he used her name a lot.

00:19:50.300 And in fact, one of the better moments, and I want you to play this clip is, is where JD said, said to Tim Waltz said, you've got a really tough job.

00:19:58.920 I feel bad for how tough a job you have.

00:20:01.040 And it was sort of, it was damning him with faint praise because it was a backhanded shot at Kamala. 0.99

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00:22:02.320 All right, take a listen to this clip.

00:22:04.080 It is actually a really funny one, where you have J.D. saying it's tough having your job having to defend Kamala Harris.

00:22:13.040 Governor Walz just did, as he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.

00:22:17.400 And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.

00:22:22.320 No, that's a gross generalization.

00:22:23.520 So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you've got a tough job here, because you've got to play whack-a-mole.

00:22:29.780 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which, of course, he did.

00:22:34.400 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which, of course, he did.

00:22:38.880 And then you've simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens. 0.99

00:22:47.940 I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the table in our household. 1.00

00:22:55.340 I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.

00:22:59.800 We can do so much better.

00:23:01.380 To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again.

00:23:05.360 We've just got to get back to common sense economic principles.

00:23:08.280 I hope we have a conversation on health care then.

00:23:10.680 Senator, Governor.

00:23:11.500 Please.

00:23:12.000 Thank you.

00:23:12.540 Margaret, we have a lot to get to.

00:23:14.300 I love how they jump in there, by the way.

00:23:15.820 They're like, thank you, thank you.

00:23:17.140 We've got to move on from that real quick.

00:23:19.120 You just smacked them around a little bit.

00:23:22.080 Yeah, look.

00:23:22.680 I mean, they were eager to help out Waltz.

00:23:26.620 They were also on the fact-checking.

00:23:28.760 You know, we talked about it at the open of the pod when they cut off J.D.'s mic.

00:23:35.020 Now, that was a moment when, number one, Kamala was getting beat up hard on immigration. 0.99

00:23:41.500 Yeah.

00:23:41.720 But, number two, the moderators jumped in.

00:23:46.100 And J.D. talked about the Haitian illegal immigrants who are in Springfield, Ohio.

00:23:52.340 And, you know, they wanted to reprise the whole cat thing.

00:23:54.880 I was surprised.

00:23:55.620 I also – I would have lost a bet if you had given me the odds on whether the word cat would be said in the debate.

00:24:01.420 I would have bet yes, and I would have lost that bet.

00:24:03.520 So that – the moderators did not say that, nor did Tim Waltz.

00:24:08.120 But J.D. rightly said, look, this massive influx of illegal aliens is putting an enormous burden on the residents of Springfield and every other city in Ohio and every other city in the country.

00:24:17.400 And the moderators chimed in to correct him.

00:24:21.000 Well, those are legal immigrants. 0.88

00:24:23.620 And he said, baloney.

00:24:25.560 Yeah.

00:24:25.740 And this is a fiction.

00:24:27.180 So, look, we have a legal immigration system.

00:24:31.160 And what has happened is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have abused our immigration law.

00:24:35.380 So, the 300,000-plus Haitians and Nicaraguans and Cubans and Venezuelans they've flown in, they've flown in under programs where they say, well, these guys are all now legal just because we've decided to open the doors and call everyone we let in legal.

00:24:49.580 That is not legal in any ordinary sense.

00:24:51.900 They are illegal immigrants. 0.99

00:24:52.820 And in particular, J.D. rightly talks about the app CBP1, which we've talked about on this podcast before, an app for illegal immigrants to apply online for Kamala Harris to let them in our open border.

00:25:05.000 And they did not like him saying this because it was fact-checking them.

00:25:08.600 It was.

00:25:09.180 They were fact-checking him.

00:25:10.740 They were wrong.

00:25:12.080 He countered him.

00:25:13.080 And then they cut off his mic right when Tim Waltz was saying, well, well, you know, this has been around for years.

00:25:20.000 CBP1 was just created by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:25:22.680 Here, play the clip when they cut off his mic because it really is revealing of the enormous bias and the factual just mendacity of the CBS moderators.

00:25:33.640 Senator, we have so much to get to.

00:25:36.740 Margaret, I think it's important because the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact-check.

00:25:42.640 And since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.

00:25:46.500 So there's an application called the CBP1 app where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

00:26:01.000 That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.

00:26:05.260 That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.

00:26:09.020 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

00:26:11.880 We have so much to get to, Senator.

00:26:14.700 Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

00:26:17.220 Thank you, gentlemen.

00:26:18.540 The CBP1 app has not been on the books since 1990.

00:26:22.140 It's something that Kamala Harris created, Margaret. 0.86

00:26:24.400 Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.

00:26:28.060 We have so much we want to get to.

00:26:30.080 Thank you for explaining the legal process.

00:26:32.440 I love that.

00:26:33.320 The legal process.

00:26:34.840 I mean, that is so smarmy.

00:26:37.440 Yeah. 0.93

00:26:37.720 Like arrogant, condescending, snarky. 0.76

00:26:41.740 Look, there's no doubt they're political bias.

00:26:47.580 There's no doubt they love Kamala Harris.

00:26:50.220 There's no doubt they're voting for Kamala Harris.

00:26:52.720 Thank you for describing the legal process.

00:26:55.100 No, CBP1 is not the legal process.

00:26:58.080 It is an app designed by Kamala Harris and Joe Biden to facilitate a massive invasion

00:27:03.640 of this country.

00:27:06.680 And they shut the mic off.

00:27:08.240 I actually am glad they did it because it's just when anybody says in the future, well,

00:27:13.260 there's no bias to me.

00:27:14.020 I'm like, really?

00:27:14.640 Did you see?

00:27:15.400 And I love how she says they try to act like we shut both your mics off. 1.00

00:27:18.680 No, you were shutting down J.D. Vance, who was fact checking you.

00:27:23.700 And pointing out that she was lying.

00:27:25.020 And pointing out she's lying.

00:27:25.960 We got to move on.

00:27:26.960 We have other important things.

00:27:28.040 And by the way, I promise you that moment, if you polled the audience in America watching,

00:27:32.020 they would have loved to have heard what J.D. Vance said.

00:27:34.600 Of course.

00:27:35.200 You would have been like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:27:36.140 I want to hear this, right?

00:27:37.560 Like, wait, give me a second.

00:27:39.520 That's absolutely right.

00:27:40.640 But CBS didn't want the audience to hear that.

00:27:43.620 You know, there was another moment on the same topic of the border where Tim Waltz said

00:27:48.760 the most brazen lie of the entire debate.

00:27:53.160 And when Waltz was backpedaling and trying to defend the disaster of Kamala's open borders,

00:27:58.680 Tim Waltz said, quote, border crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.

00:28:06.760 Yeah.

00:28:07.040 Now.

00:28:07.800 Which is a lie.

00:28:08.620 And you and I both are looking at the TV like, that's not true.

00:28:11.040 That is not slightly true.

00:28:15.580 It's not kind of true.

00:28:16.820 It's not in any way.

00:28:17.740 And let me give you the stats.

00:28:19.000 So in December 2020, the total encounters with illegals was 89,072.

00:28:26.640 In August 2024, the total encounters was 158,988.

00:28:34.360 So it was nearly twice as many.

00:28:36.840 And mind you, look, there's been a slight dip in the last couple of months because Biden

00:28:42.880 and Harris are trying to pretend to do something about the border.

00:28:45.360 And they're just doing it as electioneering.

00:28:48.320 And to put it in, in all of fiscal year 2020, do you know how many encounters with illegals 0.84

00:28:53.920 there were under Trump?

00:28:55.000 How many?

00:28:56.380 646,822.

00:28:58.680 That's like a month in this administration.

00:29:00.900 In fiscal year 24, year to date.

00:29:03.260 And by the way, we're not all the way through 24.

00:29:05.120 Do you know how many there have been?

00:29:07.420 How many?

00:29:08.120 2,756,646.

00:29:11.620 Yeah.

00:29:12.080 And by the way, these brave fact checkers, did you notice the CBS moderators say-

00:29:18.480 They didn't cut off anybody's mic, did they?

00:29:20.380 Say, wait a second, Governor, you just said that border encounters were lower now than they

00:29:26.840 were under Trump.

00:29:28.160 That is flat out false.

00:29:30.040 They didn't say that because they're not in the business of fact-checking Democrats.

00:29:35.500 Well, and they also didn't bring up something else that, and I actually thought this was

00:29:39.320 a missed opportunity.

00:29:40.440 I think J.D. had a great night, but I wish he would have seized on this.

00:29:44.200 The acting ICE director put out all of these numbers that we've talked about here.

00:29:50.120 Yes.

00:29:50.420 About the number of rapists that were let go that we knew were rapists, the number of

00:29:55.260 murderers that were let go, and the number of those that had been charged with heinous

00:29:58.860 crimes, and we still let go into this country.

00:30:01.860 And that didn't see the light of day tonight.

00:30:04.740 And it's, again, it goes back to the moderators.

00:30:07.180 Like, it's shame on them for not actually talking about the acting ICE director saying this

00:30:12.560 when they're going to talk about the border.

00:30:13.780 How do you talk about the border without that?

00:30:15.480 But I do, and again, debating's tough, and I want to be clear, it's tough, but there

00:30:20.940 was a missed opportunity there.

00:30:22.160 I'm shocked that J.D. didn't really try to hammer that point home.

00:30:25.960 Yeah, look, I think J.D. did a very good job tonight.

00:30:29.180 I was surprised that the 13,000 convicted murderers did not come up.

00:30:34.520 It's such a powerful number, and CBS hasn't covered it.

00:30:38.780 The news hasn't covered it.

00:30:40.000 And so this debate was an opportunity for—that's actually something that I wish that, like,

00:30:47.120 it had been slowly explained, that they'd taken a little bit of time.

00:30:50.960 You need to understand that right now today, there are more than 13,000 illegal aliens who

00:31:00.300 are free, who have not been apprehended, who are convicted murderers.

00:31:06.380 There is nothing whatsoever stopping Kamala Harris from picking up all 13,000 of them tomorrow.

00:31:15.300 Legally, she has every right to do so.

00:31:17.800 They are here illegally. 1.00

00:31:19.080 They can be detained.

00:31:20.120 They can be deported.

00:31:21.720 And yet—and there are another 2,000, roughly, illegal aliens who have pending murder charges. 0.61

00:31:30.080 So they're being charged with murder, and you know what?

00:31:32.620 They're free, too.

00:31:33.240 There is nothing, zero, preventing Kamala Harris from picking up those 2,000.

00:31:40.280 And I would have loved to see J.D. turn to Tim Waltz and say,

00:31:43.660 Governor, why doesn't Kamala Harris pick up those 15,000 murderers right now? 1.00

00:31:49.820 And what would you say to the mothers of the children murdered by these illegal alien murderers 1.00

00:31:57.000 that you continue to allow on the street?

00:31:59.080 Yeah.

00:31:59.440 He wouldn't have an answer to that.

00:32:00.940 No, he wouldn't have an answer to that.

00:32:02.260 And look, again, like I said, debating is hard.

00:32:04.960 And I think one of the things that he did really well was he talked about the fact that people are suffering in this country

00:32:11.960 because there are so many illegal immigrants.

00:32:13.720 And it backfired on CBS.

00:32:15.740 They were talking about the economy.

00:32:17.380 And they were talking about the housing crisis.

00:32:19.080 It was a little bit later in the debate.

00:32:20.420 Many people, if you didn't watch the whole debate, this was one of those moments.

00:32:23.440 I think they actually buried it on purpose.

00:32:26.200 They needed to check a box, ask a question about housing.

00:32:29.000 But there was a moment there where J.D. Vance seized on, like, well, yeah, of course home prices are going to be up.

00:32:35.160 You let 15, 20 million people in this country.

00:32:38.000 They've got to have a roof over their head at night.

00:32:40.280 They're competing with you, especially for low-cost housing and apartments, which have skyrocketed in price.

00:32:46.500 Undoubtedly.

00:32:47.380 And CBS really beclowned themselves on this because one of the moderators chimed in and said,

00:32:52.400 well, do you have any evidence of that?

00:32:53.600 What proof do you have of that?

00:32:55.360 And J.D., to his credit, was prepared and said, well, actually, there's a Federal Reserve study

00:32:59.160 that lays out the impact of illegal immigration driving up the cost of housing.

00:33:03.360 And we'll put that out on social media right now so you can go read the study.

00:33:06.360 But he also made the point of just supply and demand.

00:33:10.200 What do you think an additional 11.5 million people demanding housing is going to do?

00:33:16.020 Do these houses magically get created from the sky?

00:33:19.460 Is there a wand that makes them come into existence?

00:33:22.700 And the moderators just didn't like that point.

00:33:27.640 And so they were – but they looked pretty silly when they asked if he had any evidence,

00:33:32.040 and the answer was, well, yes. 0.78

00:33:33.080 I love the other day on TV they were talking about the price of hotels in New York City

00:33:36.940 if skyrocketed.

00:33:38.280 Yeah, because I think it's like one out of X number of every hotel is filled with illegal immigrants.

00:33:43.240 They're taking away hotel rooms.

00:33:45.320 Of course.

00:33:45.940 So then they get more for the hotel rooms that are available.

00:33:50.460 You and I, I don't even know – did you know I got stranded in New York City

00:33:54.060 and there wasn't a single hotel room after we came back from the airport?

00:33:58.780 Did I tell you this?

00:33:59.940 So this is how bad it is.

00:34:01.140 And this is when I learned, like, really firsthand.

00:34:04.300 I went to the airport, was on the plane, was on the plane for, like, four hours.

00:34:07.400 They finally canceled the flight.

00:34:08.980 We pull back up the gate, and they say, go back in the city.

00:34:11.120 So I immediately get on the phone.

00:34:12.080 I call Fox.

00:34:12.700 I'm there for TV.

00:34:13.380 I'm like, hey, I'm going to need a hotel room, and I've got to get back to the city,

00:34:16.540 and then I get to need a flight back in the morning to Houston.

00:34:19.380 And she was like, no problem.

00:34:21.060 I'll call you in a minute.

00:34:22.000 Go ahead and head down to the cars, and we'll get you back to the city.

00:34:24.680 She said, I've never seen this before.

00:34:26.140 There's not a single hotel room in the city.

00:34:29.120 Wow.

00:34:29.480 And I'm like, not.

00:34:30.740 And it wasn't like there was, like, the Super Bowl going on.

00:34:33.260 This is a normal Tuesday in New York.

00:34:35.560 And I was like, are you kidding?

00:34:37.040 Well, then I open up my app, and I'm like, I get on Expedia.

00:34:40.340 No hotel rooms.

00:34:41.780 They start looking in New Jersey.

00:34:43.240 They're looking everywhere.

00:34:45.380 Finally, the only option was to go back to the city and hope that someone doesn't come

00:34:49.500 to a hotel room.

00:34:51.240 I sat outside of the hotel I always stay at, know the manager, and I walked in.

00:34:56.420 He's like, Ben, he's like, this is because of all the illegal immigrants in the city. 1.00

00:34:59.260 He goes, there's no hotel rooms to deal with the capacity.

00:35:02.740 I sat outside until 1 in the morning until finally someone canceled the hotel.

00:35:06.540 And then he checked me into that room at 1 o'clock.

00:35:08.680 So I sat there from 7 to 1 a.m.

00:35:10.740 My flight was at 6 in the morning.

00:35:12.240 So I slept for, like, three hours.

00:35:13.920 And he said, this is what they've done to our city, referring to the illegal immigrants, 1.00

00:35:17.760 and how many have come in.

00:35:19.720 And when I say there was not a hotel room in the city, that's what's happening now

00:35:25.540 because of illegal immigration.

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00:36:55.160 Senator, I want to talk and wrap on the issue of style.

00:36:59.380 You know, you and I both thought this was going to be an intense debate.

00:37:03.680 They don't like each other.

00:37:04.620 They're going to throw down.

00:37:05.580 I think we've also gotten kind of used to that with Donald Trump.

00:37:08.640 That's what we've seen over the last several years.

00:37:10.860 Joe Biden likes to do that as well.

00:37:13.000 We've seen a lot of the Republican debates, primary debates, Democratic debates.

00:37:16.060 And by the way, Hillary and Trump was nasty. 0.99

00:37:17.880 They were both nasty. 1.00

00:37:18.820 Oh, yeah. 0.94

00:37:19.360 I mean, they threw down.

00:37:21.160 And tonight, I did enjoy a little bit the civility.

00:37:26.040 Absolutely.

00:37:26.440 And that was something we haven't seen.

00:37:29.640 But I also think if it was a strategy by the Trump team, hey, you're going to be the likable guy.

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00:37:38.500 I want people to walk away really thinking that you're the right choice.

00:37:43.300 They nailed it.

00:37:44.500 If that was the intent tonight.

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00:37:50.660 He did a good job of telling his own family story and his own background.

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00:38:04.940 But yet a lot of people don't know that story.

00:38:08.220 He's been a caricature just like Trump has.

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00:38:40.660 I'm going to go back to what I've said before. 1.00

00:38:42.480 It's the economy stupid. 1.00

00:38:43.920 I think that's how they win this thing. 1.00

00:38:46.100 The economy is going to matter more than anything else.

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - October 02, 2024

VP Debate Night： Kamala Loses as her Record was Exposed

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