What's Next After Mayorkas and Senate Immigration Bill, Press Corps Turns on Joe Biden, & Americans WANT a Secure Border Week In Review
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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Ben Ferguson (D-NJ) discuss the week in politics, immigration, and why Joe Biden is a big no-show on immigration reform. They also discuss the DOJ report saying that Joe Biden can't remember anything.
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And these are the top stories that you may have missed that we talked about this week.
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First up, it was a very big week in Washington, D.C.,
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especially after Mayorkas failed to be impeached by the GOP.
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Also, the Senate immigration bill fails as well.
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Plus, the DOJ comes out with a shocking report saying that Joe Biden is basically incompetent
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and couldn't be charged with crimes because he's just too old and can't remember anything.
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And finally, polling shows that the American people are desperate for a secure border.
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It's the Week in Review, and it starts right now.
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Not only is it a lie, Donald Trump's not the president right now.
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And you look at the numbers to also back up why it's a lie.
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In 2020, illegal border encounters were 400,000.
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Then in 2022, under Biden again, it jumped to 2,379,000.
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And yet he wants to say the only reason the border is not secure is because of Donald Trump.
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Listen, what Biden is saying, what Schumer is saying,
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is that we had a fabulous bipartisan agreement that would have solved this problem.
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But then crazy Donald Trump and their telling decided he didn't want to solve this problem.
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And he threw a fit and said, don't pass anything because I want to campaign on this.
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And then their narrative continues to be, and all the Republicans are sheep and they just obeyed Donald Trump.
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And the reason this failed is because Trump ordered Republicans to oppose this.
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It is also the story of every single Senate Democrat.
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I'm reading the clips and it's word for word, every Senate Democrat.
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And it's the story of several other Republicans who are going out and they're saying, oh, you're just following Trump's orders.
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Well, listen, I talk to Trump frequently, but I can tell you I haven't had a single conversation with Trump about this issue at all.
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I've been leading the fight against this issue from the beginning.
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We haven't talked about this supplemental bill, but it was obvious on the merits.
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I looked to the merits and said, does this bill solve the problem?
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But it is incredibly harmful when Republican senators, many of them just they don't like Trump and and and they're they're frustrated now.
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And so they're lashing out, but they're lashing out in a way that helps Democrats.
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People are frustrated on the House side and impeaching Mayorkas.
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But as of now, that seems like that's a failure.
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Is this now just going to be a wide open border till Election Day?
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And that's what this this next election is going to be about.
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Hey, you vote for Republicans and you'll get a secure border only if we have the House Senate and the White House.
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He made three decisions that caused this crisis.
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He reinstated the disastrous policy of catch and release.
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Now, actually, to fix this, we don't necessarily need a Republican president, a Republican House, and a Republican Senate.
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If Trump were president again, we would secure the border again.
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Winning the White House is the key to securing the border.
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Now, with a Republican Senate and House, we can do more.
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Tomorrow, we're going to vote on this supplemental with the bad border provisions.
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What we're anticipating will happen next is Schumer is going to go back to the supplemental that has Ukraine and has Israel and has Taiwan and does nothing on the border.
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That's what he tried initially that we blocked in the fall.
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I'm going to oppose it because what I said before, I still believe I'm not going to vote for this bill until we actually secure our border.
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When I said it, unlike Republican leadership, I wasn't just reading talking points.
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I actually believe that securing the border is the existential national security threat facing the United States right now, and we should use the leverage that the Democrats desperately want on Ukraine to try to get it done.
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So I think our view should be, if you want Ukraine funding, attach it to HR2 and you'll get your funding.
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But Schumer's going to take up Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan.
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And I don't know what will happen, but I think there is a very real possibility that a significant number of Republicans vote for that, that they care so much about the Ukraine funding, they're going to say, we tried on the border, we failed, now let's fund Ukraine.
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If they get nine votes, which I think is probably pretty likely, they'll get 60, which is what it takes to pass the Senate.
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And so I think there's a reasonable prospect that a supplemental bill that funds Ukraine and Israel and Taiwan will pass out of the Senate.
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But then I think it's very likely to fail in the House.
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And that means that McConnell and Schumer and Biden still have a problem.
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If they want Ukraine funding, passing a clean funding bill out of the Senate is not going to get the job done.
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And so what I would urge the House to do is take the Ukraine funding bill, attach H.R. 2 to it, and send it back to the Senate and keep fighting.
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Use the leverage we have to say, hey, you can have this funding if you want.
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Secure the border first, because that matters more.
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Look, that will not come from McConnell and Senate Republican leadership.
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But I'm hopeful the Speaker and House Republicans will hold the line.
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Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, you can go back and listen to the full podcast from earlier this week.
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Let's talk about the politics now of this because you and I witnessed it for the first time in history.
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In fact, I want to play for you just an example of how quick CNN turned on him.
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You would have thought they were talking about Donald Trump, except they were talking about Joe Biden.
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Ultimately, what Robert Hur says in this report is essentially the technical elements of a crime.
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But what he ends up doing is looking at the soft factors.
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And he takes into consideration things like what he says, and maybe this is overstated, maybe not.
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But he says, essentially, Joe Biden would have created a sympathetic picture in front of a jury.
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And that goes into, was he able to form the mental intent here?
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They also then went on to say that Joe Biden was, in essence, a liar at his press conference.
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That is what blew my mind about Joe Biden's statement.
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Except two major things he just outright contradicts or is contradicted by, however you look at this, this report.
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There are two things he said that are completely the opposite of what Robert Hur found.
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And who do you believe is up to, I guess, the individual consumer?
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First, Joe Biden says, I did not act willfully.
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Willfully just means voluntarily, intentionally.
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Well, the second sentence of this whole summary says, President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials.
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And the second thing he says is, I did not disclose classified documents to my ghostwriter.
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It says, Mr. Biden shared information, including some classified information from those notebooks.
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Well, Senator, I watched that on CNN and I said, holy crap, they're turning on him.
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And this is the end of Joe Biden's presidency as we know it.
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They're trying to offload him in real time because of this report saying, here it is.
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Yeah, look, this is a massive problem, and it's not a problem that goes away in a day or two or a week or a month.
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I'll also point out something else, which is this report implicitly exonerates Donald Trump,
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which is an enormous problem for Biden as well.
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Because, look, one of their big marquee cases against Trump, now they're prosecuting him for damn near everything,
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including late library books, but one of their marquee cases is that Trump possessed classified documents in Mar-a-Laga.
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Quote, contemporary evidence suggests that when Mr. Biden left office in 2017,
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he believed he was allowed to keep the notebooks in his home.
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In a recorded conversation with his ghostwriter in April 2017, Mr. Biden explained that despite his staff's views to the contrary,
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he did not think he was required to turn in his note cards to the National Archives,
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where they were stored in a skiff, and he had not wanted to do so.
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At trial, he would argue plausibly that he thought the same thing about his notebooks.
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If this is what Mr. Biden thought, we believe he was mistaken about what the law permits.
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But this view finds some support in historical practice.
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The clearest example is President Reagan, who left the White House in 1989 with eight years' worth of handwritten diaries,
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which he appears to have kept at his California home, even though they contained top-secret information.
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During criminal litigation involving a former Reagan administration official in 1989 and 90,
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the Department of Justice stated in public court filings that the, quote,
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currently classified diaries were Mr. Reagan's, quote, personal records.
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Yet we know of no steps the Department or other agencies took to investigate Mr. Reagan
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for mishandling classified information or to retrieve or secure his diaries.
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Most jurors would likely find evidence of this precedent, and Mr. Biden's claimed reliance on it,
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which we expect would be admitted at trial, to be compelling evidence that Mr. Biden did not act willfully.
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As with the marked classified documents, because the evidence is not sufficient
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to convict Mr. Biden for willfully retaining the notebooks, we declined prosecution.
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Now, that entire passage, you could write word for word and simply replace the word Biden with Trump,
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And this incoherence, the Department of Justice is going to have a nightmare,
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because I promise you Trump's defense lawyers are going to quote that back at them and say,
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you know what, the Department of Justice was right.
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And if they were right about Biden, by the way, on this podcast,
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we walk through how the historical precedent was president after president after president
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had kept documents, including President Reagan, including President Obama, including President Clinton.
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That's what the Department of Justice just concluded as their reason not to prosecute Biden.
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And the obvious screaming question is, well, then why do you go after the opposing party
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other than because you are politically trying to stop the voters from voting for the other guy?
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You go back to politics of this for a second, and I can only imagine
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It's one o'clock in the morning right now, as you and I are still talking.
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Yeah, and they're probably at the White House still.
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They lost Democrats today, and they lost the media today.
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And now it's got to feel like you're either inside the inner circle of Team Biden
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to prop him up and protect him, and now the Democrats seem to be circling the wagon.
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In your opinion, is this the beginning of the end of the Biden presidency?
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Do you think he actually makes it to Election Day?
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That was clear from the press conference tonight.
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But it looks like, and this could change, but as of 1 a.m. right now,
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it looks like Democrats are saying it's official.
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We are not going to support Joe Biden in this presidential run any longer.
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Look, I think the odds remain very low that he steps down before the end of his term.
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I think as long as he is able to stand vertically and not fall over,
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That being said, as I said at the beginning of this pod,
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I think the odds that the Democrats push him aside and replace him with Michelle Obama
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are about 65 to 35, or put it another way, it's about 2 to 1.
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And now, more likely than not, that the Democrats decide this guy cannot be our nominee in November.
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Does this change the way that Republicans investigate Joe Biden,
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you can't charge this guy with anything, or we're not going to charge this guy with anything.
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If they wouldn't do it now, why would they change that logic moving forward?
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How does that change the way that James Comer and Jim Jordan are doing their investigations?
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And should it change the way they're doing their investigations at all?
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And as we've discussed at great length on this podcast,
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the evidence of Joe Biden's corruption, of his deliberately selling favors
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from the Vice President of the United States to foreign oligarchs,
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Chinese communists, for millions and millions of dollars.
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And it is repeated evidence, not only of doing so, but doing so willfully,
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doing so deliberately, and then aggressively covering it up and lying about it.
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And I think we will see the House continue to lay out that evidence
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And I would point out, number one, an immediate step for that potentially is impeaching Joe Biden.
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And the Department of Justice doesn't get a vote on whether or not to impeach Joe Biden.
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But number two, whether or not Biden gets prosecuted for bribery
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is ultimately not going to be a question decided by this Department of Justice.
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The chances that Merrick Garland brings charges are 0.00%.
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He is acting, and he has acted his entire tenure like a political operative who works for the DNC.
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underscored by two IRS whistleblowers who are career employees and Democrats,
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that Merrick Garland actively lied to Congress under oath,
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So with or without this report, this DOJ was never going to prosecute Joe Biden.
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That being said, if the House continues to lay out the evidence
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and we have a Department of Justice that is not controlled by Joe Biden,
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if there's a Trump Department of Justice and there is real evidence of bribery and corruption
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of Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and the extended Biden family,
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I think the possibility of prosecution is real and significant.
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One other question, and this is something that I think so many Americans want to know.
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When you see this report that just came out and you see the cognitive decline
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and what they're stating in this report, you've got to ask this question,
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Because if it is as bad as the special prosecutor is saying it is, behind closed doors,
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and we know how this media has propped him up and protected him,
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and we know how the White House has limited his schedule, he sleeps in the morning,
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he works usually between, I think they said, what, noon and four.
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He's getting the name of leaders wrong now, and who's alive and who's dead now on a regular basis.
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It's happened three times in the last three days.
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So I can tell you I get asked that question regularly.
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Every week someone asks me who's running the White House, who's running the government.
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The honest answer, and this is really scary, I don't know.
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It's just that there are various data points, including the fact that Obama remained in D.C.,
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something no president in modern times has done.
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He's meeting with members of the administration at his house.
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And so I think it is likely Obama, but I can't prove that.
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So it is some combination of Obama and other senior White House officials
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and people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and AOC.
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As before, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation on this topic,
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you can go back and download the podcast from early this week to hear the entire thing.
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I want to get back to the big story number three of the week you may have missed.
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Because the American people in the polling specifically on the border crisis was overwhelmingly
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in the side of conservatives and what we've been calling for, what we've been advocating for,
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In fact, it played even more into the hands of the Republican Party after you had this fight between Texas
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and cutting the razor wire and Mayorkas and what's happening with the Biden administration.
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And the polling shows that the American people are not with Joe Biden on this issue.
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Because Mitch McConnell, what he cares about is Ukraine funding.
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He has said repeatedly it is the most important thing in the country to fund the war in Ukraine.
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Does he believe that or is there something behind the scenes politically that I don't understand?
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I have no reason to doubt his sincerity in saying that, but he is passionate about it.
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And when it comes to the border, look, would he like to secure the border?
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Would he vote for something to secure the border?
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If it doesn't happen, well, okay, that's unfortunate, but it's not...
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And listen, this bill was negotiated by James Lankford, Republican from Oklahoma, by Chris
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Murphy, an extremely liberal left-wing Democrat from Connecticut, and by Kyrsten Sinema, a liberal
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to somewhat moderate Democrat slash independent from Arizona.
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And Lankford, Lankford's a really good guy, and Lankford has been just gone through a buzzsaw
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And basically what happened is leadership pushed him out on a limb and then sawed the limb off
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Followed orders and did what leadership asked him to do.
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There were two mandates that were non-negotiable.
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Chuck Schumer's mandate effectively was, we will not secure the border.
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We won't agree to anything that is effective securing the border.
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Mitch McConnell's mandate, his non-negotiable was, we must, must, must get a deal because
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So Lankford was essentially told, do whatever you can to get a deal from Schumer.
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And so Lankford spent hundreds, thousands of hours negotiating with Chris Murphy, which
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But he was operating from a position that McConnell wouldn't let him say no.
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So when you ask James, well, why are these terms so bad?
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He says, well, that's all the Democrats would agree to.
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Now, I don't know what they would have done if that happened.
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Because McConnell's immediate response when Schumer said, no, no, no, we won't do HR2, is, well,
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But I want you to listen to McConnell at a press conference today after our lunch.
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Leader McConnell, you know, Senator Schumer says that he worked extensively with you on
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What do you say to your colleagues who said that you misread your conference in helping
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I followed the instructions of my conference who were insisting that we tackle this in October.
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I mean, it's actually our side that wanted to tackle the border issue.
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Obviously, with a Democratic president and a Democratic Senate, our negotiators had to
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And James Lankford, under those situations, did a remarkable job to pick off the Border Council,
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certainly underscores that it was a quality product that that particular union felt would
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But as I said earlier, things have changed over the last four months.
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And it's been made perfectly clear by the speaker that he wouldn't take it up even if we sent it to him.
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And so I think that's probably why most of our members think we ought to have opposition tomorrow.
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And then move on with the rest of the supplement.
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I mean, that's a great story, Senator, but it doesn't seem to necessarily add up with reality, does it?
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So you're seeing half of what was the biggest fight at lunch today.
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And so I wanted you to listen to that, because that's what Mitch said at lunch.
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And I have a policy at the lunches, which is I don't repeat what other senators say at the lunch.
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I think they're owed some expectation of privacy that we can have candid and really frank discussion.
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So I don't repeat what others say, but I repeat what I say, because if I said it, I have a right to repeat it and say it elsewhere.
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Given that Mitch went out and just said it to the reporters, I can tell you that's what he said in the room as well.
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And when he said it, I stood up and I said, by the way, and you listen to the words he just said, that press conference, he said, well, gosh, it was the Republican conference that wanted to tackle this issue.
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No, we didn't want to, quote, tackle this issue.
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So obviously we weren't going to succeed in solving the border.
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So we just had to tackle the issue and do what the Democrats want.
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But when he made that argument, and you just listened to it, I stood up immediately after him.
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And I said, I got to say, if Republican senators go out and repeat what Mitch just said, it would be spectacularly harmful.
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And it would be a massive political favor to Chuck Schumer and every Democrat running.
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Because what Mitch argued, notice he said there, hey, you know, James did a fantastic job.
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And Mitch was like saying, well, just say, well, the House wouldn't pass.
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If a bunch of Republicans go out and say this is a terrific bill, but the House wouldn't pass it, every Democrat, John Tester this week has already said, look, I was ready to secure the border.
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But these crazy right wingers wouldn't pass it.
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And their story they want to tell is these knuckle dragging Trumpers don't actually want to secure the border because we had a great bill to secure the border.
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So their argument is that Republicans want the issue.
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We want to campaign on the border rather than actually fix it.
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And I'll tell you, I yelled at my colleagues last week when they were making this argument.
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And I said, listen, for me, I've lived this border.
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There is nobody in this body who wants to solve this more than I do because it is a travesty that is hammering and destroying Texas every day.
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But I said, listen, if a bunch of Republicans go out and tell the story, this was a great bill that would secure the border.
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But, you know, Trump is so crazy we couldn't do it.
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But the Speaker of the House and the House Republicans, they're so crazy we couldn't do it.
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I said, listen, you are literally repeating Schumer's talking points for every Senate Democrat incumbent.
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If you want John Tester to win, go say what you just said to the reporters.
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If you want Sherrod Brown to win, if you want every Democrat running to win, go say that.
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And I said, listen, you don't have to throw James Lankford under the bus.
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But the reason this bill sucks is because the Democrats are radical zealots who don't want to secure the border.
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And so they wouldn't agree to a bill other than a bill that sucks.
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You don't have to say, you know, Lankford is is is a horrible human being.
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You just have to say he was given an impossible task because it depended on the Democrats agreeing and the Democrats want open borders.
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As long as they want open borders, they won't agree to legislation that stops open borders.
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But the infuriating thing is Mitch walked right out and said it to the press.
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So he's perfectly happy to say, hey, great, Bill, just crazy Republicans won't pass it.
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And that's exactly what Schumer is saying as well.
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Because both of them desperately want to fund the Ukraine war.
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And on immigration, they just wanted to throw whatever fig leaf was necessary on the table to give to to to give an excuse to try to get Ukraine funding passed.
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There's a lot of people that are going to be listening.
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They're going to say, all right, well, yes, this seems like this is a victory that we didn't have this bill become law.
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But there also seems to be a lot of frustration of, OK, what's next?
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I mean, Senator, we we can't secure the border.
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Biden's sitting there saying, OK, fine, we'll just keep having record number of illegal immigrants come across the southern border.
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Biden said in his press conference, quote, the only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump.
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Notice, by the way, that's Mitch McConnell's talking point, too.
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Joe Biden and Mitch McConnell are saying the same thing.
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Why is the Republican Senate leader repeating Biden and Schumer's talking point?
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And you look at the numbers to also back up why it's a lie.
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In 2020, illegal border encounters were 400,000.
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Then in 2022, under Biden, again, it jumped to 2,379,000.
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And yet he wants to say the only reason the border is not secure is because of Donald Trump.
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Listen, what Biden is saying, what Schumer is saying, is that we had a fabulous bipartisan
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But then crazy Donald Trump, in their telling, decided he didn't want to solve this problem.
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And he threw a fit and said, don't pass anything because I want to campaign on this.
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And then their narrative continues to be, and all the Republicans are sheep, and they just
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And the reason this failed is because Trump ordered Republicans to oppose this.
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It is also the story of every single Senate Democrat.
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I'm reading the clips, and it's word for word, every Senate Democrat.
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And it's the story of several other Republicans who are going out and they're saying, oh,
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Well, listen, I talk to Trump frequently, but I can tell you, I haven't had a single
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conversation with Trump about this issue at all.
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I've been leading the fight against this issue from the beginning.
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We haven't talked about this supplemental bill, but it was obvious on the merits.
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I looked to the merits and said, does this bill solve the problem?
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And it doesn't, but it is incredibly harmful when Republican senators, many of them just,
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they don't like Trump and, and, and they're, they're frustrated now.
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And so they're lashing out, but they're lashing out in a way that helps Democrats.
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