What's Next for Tik Tok in America, Biden's Pandora's Box plus Trump Nominations Move Forward Week In Review
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Ted Cruz's weekend review of TikTok, Joe Biden pardoning family members, and the confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill continue to roll on, and TikTok is being used by the Chinese Communist Government as a potential national security threat.
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Welcome. It is Verdict with Ted Cruz Weekend Review.
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Ben Ferguson with you, and these are the stories that you may have missed
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but then it was saved at the last moment, temporarily.
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We're going to dive into that coming up in just a moment.
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Also, Joe Biden decided to pardon a lot of his family members and their spouses.
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Apparently, many of those people that got those pardons
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may have to come and testify now before Congress
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We'll explain exactly what we mean in just a moment.
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And finally, the confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill continue to roll on.
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We'll have some of the highlights of this past week of Senator Cruz
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It is the Weekend Review, and it starts right now.
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because this has actually been a big conversation around the inauguration.
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Elections having consequences, laws having consequences,
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so that people that maybe weren't paying attention to TikTok,
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TikTok is extremely important to a younger generation.
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And there are a lot of Americans that make a living on TikTok.
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There are a lot of people that support their businesses.
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There is a lot of things on TikTok that you can say are very good.
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There are a lot of things you can also say are very bad.
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But explain what happened with TikTok and why it was shut down.
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Well, Congress passed a law last year dealing with TikTok.
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TikTok is owned and controlled by a company called ByteDance.
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and it's a Chinese company that is under the direct control
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The Chinese Communist government uses TikTok and uses it in a way
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that I think poses a very real national security risk to the United States.
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There are some 170 million Americans that use TikTok.
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Overwhelmingly young people, teenagers, young adults, young professionals.
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And the Chinese Communist government uses it, number one, to engage in espionage,
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to monitor what those Americans are doing, what they're saying,
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They have the potential to monitor their locations.
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But number two, the Chinese Communist government uses TikTok aggressively to push propaganda,
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to push propaganda that is, number one, pro-China.
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And they suppress content, things like Tiananmen Square.
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They suppress content about the one million Uyghurs that are in concentration camps in China.
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They suppress content about Hong Kong or Taiwan.
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They also push harmful content to young people.
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I've got to say, the same company that owns TikTok, they have a TikTok version in China
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that's very different from the TikTok in America.
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The Chinese kids that are on TikTok, they're getting videos on math and calculus,
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and they're limited in the number of hours they can do it,
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but it's developing the kind of skills that are going to make them really effective in life.
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You know, the Chinese kids are getting calculus, and our kids are getting chewing Tide Pods.
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The Chinese communist government is not doing it because they love our kids and they want to see a good outcome.
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We also see heavily skewed political propaganda.
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So, for example, anti-Semitism, anti-Israel, pro-Hamas, pro-Hezbollah propaganda is rampant on TikTok
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and at a complete differential, wildly different ratios than on other social media platforms.
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And so, given China's malevolent use of TikTok, Congress passed a bipartisan bill
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And the terms of the bill said that TikTok had to shut down by January 19th
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unless it had been sold and was no longer under the ownership or control of the Chinese communist government.
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Now, TikTok has done next to nothing to comply with the efforts to sell itself.
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Instead, they've tried to do a couple of things.
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Number one, they've tried to engage in litigation.
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They went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
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The Supreme Court said, no, your First Amendment argument is not valid.
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So, the First Amendment protects the free speech rights of Americans.
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But it doesn't protect the Chinese communist government.
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And the Supreme Court unanimously concluded this law is focused on national security.
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It's not trying to suppress any Americans' free speech.
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It is trying to prevent a hostile government from being able to engage in espionage and propaganda in the United States.
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So, they devoted a lot of time to litigation, a lot of time to lobbyists.
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They've had lobbyists descend on Capitol Hill trying to lobby against the ban.
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Well, Saturday night at midnight, TikTok turned itself off.
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And I will tell you, there were teenagers and young people all across the country that expressed enormous dismay when it shut down.
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And so, TikTok, for most of Sunday, was shut down.
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And then Sunday afternoon, they turned it back on.
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And they turned it back on because Trump had indicated that he intends to give TikTok another 90 days.
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The statute has a provision that the president can extend the ban for 90 days in order to help facilitate a sale of TikTok.
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And Trump has said that's what he intends to do.
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Look, my view on this, if in the next 90 days, TikTok follows through and sells the company to a non-Chinese buyer,
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a non-Chinese government-controlled buyer, ideally to an American company,
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The objective of this law, it's important to understand,
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the objective of this law was never to ban TikTok.
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The objective of this law was to force the Chinese communist government to end its ownership and control of TikTok.
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I am not certain what Trump is going to end up doing,
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but at least right now he's indicating that he intends to exercise the 90-day extension to give TikTok time to consummate the sale.
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And so we'll see what happens in the next 90 days.
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Your opinion, if it is a threat to national security and to our way of life,
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and that's why you say it's so important for it to be sold to a non-Chinese-controlled company.
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Absolutely. That's why you had overwhelming bipartisan support for this legislation,
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because what China is doing with TikTok is really harmful,
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and it's also a way to really inject harmful content.
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They're trying to drive our country in directions that tears America down,
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this is not complaining about, well, gosh, Hollywood producers are not making wholesome movies anymore.
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This is an adversary that is deliberately pumping propaganda to our children,
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hey, we're great with the Chinese communists having an open pipeline to our kids.
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and as I said, I don't know what President Trump will do,
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but certainly my counsel to him will be use this law as leverage,
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Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see how this happens.
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Let me ask you one final question on this inauguration day.
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When you look at where we are, January 20th, 2025,
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how excited are you for what we're about to witness
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compared to January 20th of 2017 because of how prepared we are this time?
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Much more excited because I think we're much more prepared.
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As I said, the initial Trump team, they'd never done this before,
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the initial Trump White House, had never worked in the federal government.
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I think there's just a much greater level of experience
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and also awareness of the deep state, awareness of the career bureaucrats
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who fight against a common sense, free market, freedom-oriented agenda.
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And look, as I look at this array of cabinet nominees, I'm really excited.
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And I think the most consistent characteristic of these nominees is that they're change agents.
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They're disruptors, and they're going into these agencies to change and disrupt how they operate.
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Now, listen, there are going to be moments of chaos.
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The old Silicon Valley phrase of move fast and break things,
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They're going to move fast, and some things won't work.
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But I'm excited because I think the overwhelming majority of what's accomplished
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Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
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you can go back and listen to the full podcast from earlier this week.
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Lastly, I want to get your thoughts on something that was said in Trump's first sit-down interview
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And he was asked about the pardons that Joe Biden gave out.
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And he made a comment, and I want to get your reaction to it,
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about, hey, he may have messed up because he didn't pardon himself.
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They said, sir, would you like to pardon everybody, including yourself?
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And far worse than that, they've lost their fortunes.
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They've lost their whatever, their nest egg, paying it to lawyers.
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And those people, and people said, do you want, and they don't even, they wouldn't have
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even taken, most of those people, they wouldn't have even taken a pardon.
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And you know, the funny thing, maybe the sad thing, is he didn't give himself a pardon.
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Senator, I got to ask you, your take on that, is that a foreshadowing comment coming from
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And we've been very clear, we've talked a lot on Verdict, about how the scandal with
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Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family was never about Hunter being a, you know, guy
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who abuses drugs and has made a lot of wrong choices in life.
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The scandal was always that the entire Biden family made millions of dollars selling favors
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from the big guy, selling favors from Joe Biden.
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And we talked a lot about how the Biden DOJ, the tell in terms of whether they were being
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politicized on protecting Biden, would be if they fought in the Hunter Biden investigation
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to protect Joe himself and to prevent any inquiry into his corruption.
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If they kept it focused on the drug crime or the gun crime or even the income
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tax crimes that were personal to Hunter rather than examining the corruption, that's exactly
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And so I think that corruption needs to be investigated.
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And I think we need to enforce the law fairly, regardless of party.
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And I got to say, by the way, we predicted on this podcast when we, number one, predicted
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And in fact, I put the odds of the Hunter Biden pardon at 100 percent.
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But second, when that happened, we went on this podcast and predicted, said he's going
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Well, he did that on the very last day, moments before he left office, he pardoned the rest
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of his family because they were all involved in the corruption.
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And so right now, the only one with potential liability is Joe Biden himself.
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And, you know, Trump's right that it's interesting he didn't pardon himself.
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By the way, one of the results of all these pardons is that Congress can now subpoena the
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members of the Biden family and force them to answer questions under oath.
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And they don't have a Fifth Amendment right to decline to answer.
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OK, so a lot of people don't know that, including me.
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So explain that a little bit for everybody, because that is that is big news.
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So the Fifth Amendment says that you can't be forced to testify against yourself.
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Now, that only applies if you have criminal jeopardy, if you can be prosecuted.
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Once you've been pardoned, you have no criminal jeopardy, which means you don't have the right
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to say, I'm not going to answer that because I might incriminate myself in a crime because
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You can't be prosecuted for it, which means if you refuse to answer, you can be held in
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There's a very there's a very real chance that members of the Biden crime family that
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were pardoned could be asked to come and testify in Congress and they would be forced to answer
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And if they don't, by the way, same is true about Fauci that, you know, you know, Biden
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That means Fauci doesn't have a Fifth Amendment right to refuse to answer questions under oath.
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I certainly hope that he's forced to answer those questions.
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Hypothetically, you get Fauci in front of you, you start asking him questions and he just
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Well, Congress has to vote to hold him in contempt for refusing to answer those questions.
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And then the Department of Justice has to prosecute him.
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I got to say, I think if Congress voted to hold him in contempt, I think DOJ would prosecute
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And by the way, to be clear, the Biden Department of Justice, Trump mentioned putting Steve Bannon
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They did that because they held them in contempt to Congress.
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And that was even aside from from pleading the fifth there.
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They argued they asserted executive privilege and DOJ prosecuted them after Congress, after
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the House voted to hold him in contempt of Congress.
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As before, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation on this topic, you can go
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back and download the podcast from early this week to hear the entire thing.
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I want to get back to the big story number three of the week you may have missed.
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So as I mentioned earlier, what he did do today was some pretty incredible work on the
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Senator Cruz questioned Elise Stefanik in the confirmation hearing, and I want you to hear
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Take a listen to what Senator Cruz had to say today on Capitol Hill in the questioning of
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I want to go back to a topic you discussed with Senator Cornyn.
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I want to focus on Iran's push to build a nuclear arsenal, which poses, I think, the most immediate
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and acute threat to American national security.
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When the Ayatollah chants, death to America, he means it.
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And I believe he would absolutely detonate a nuclear weapon over an American city if he could.
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The Trump administration got Iran's nuclear program in a box and kept it there.
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President Trump withdrew from the catastrophic Obama-Iran nuclear deal in 2018.
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He invoked the U.N. snapback mechanism in the U.N. Security Council, Resolution 2231, to reimpose
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For that entire time, Iran was deterred from making significant advances on their nuclear
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They did not even enrich uranium above 5 percent or cascade advanced centrifuges.
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Starting in November 2020, the Iranian regime gambled that it could start rushing to a nuclear
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arsenal, and the incoming Biden administration would let them.
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In November, the regime approved a new law calling for major nuclear advances.
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In January, they started enriching at 20 percent at Fordow, the underground enrichment bunker built
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into a mountain that the Obama-Iran nuclear deal left open.
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The incoming Biden administration responded with appeasement.
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In February, immediately after being inaugurated, they rushed to the U.N. to rescind President
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Trump's snapback, again allowing international sanctions to expire.
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For the next four years, the administration continually dismantled pressure on the regime and refused to impose sanctions.
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Today, the Ayatollah has achieved a nuclear breakout time of zero.
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We now face the very real possibility of an Iranian nuclear arsenal.
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I do not believe that this is a threat the U.S. can tolerate.
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And I am confident that both the President and Secretary of State Rubio agree.
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I asked Secretary of State Rubio whether he intends to go to the United Nations and again trigger
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the snapback mechanism as a part of his written testimony to this committee.
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I believe it is in our national security interest for the U.N. Security Council to snap back the sanctions
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I will execute the President's guidance and work with our allies to ensure that snapback takes place.
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First, do you agree with Secretary Rubio's assessment that it is in the national security interest of the United States
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Talk about how you would execute a strategy to do so, either unilaterally or working with allies.
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We will have to – that will be a strategy that I develop with the National Security Council
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in tandem with Secretary Rubio and President Trump to work with our allies within the United Nations,
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And there are allies that are already considering this and looking at it,
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But obviously, pushing back on Iran is a top priority.
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It was a success during President Trump's first term.
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And we've seen the catastrophic results in loss of life during the previous four years
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when you have had an emboldened Iran that has led to directly the October 7th terrorist attack against Israel
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and Hezbollah firing tens of thousands of rockets against Israeli civilians.
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You and I talked about the deep rot in the United Nations when it comes to supporting terrorism against America and our allies,
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UNRWA has for decades provided material support for Hamas and other terrorist groups in Gaza.
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The World Health Organization has also been deeply complicit in the use of hospitals by Hamas
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for terrorist activities, including for the holding of hostages.
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The complicity of these organizations deepened after October 7th.
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The Biden administration embraced UNRWA and the World Health Organization.
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Congress prohibited the Biden administration from funding UNRWA,
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but the administration officials circumvented that prohibition by using UNRWA infrastructure.
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Yesterday, the President rightly and immediately withdrew our participation from them.
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but the next step is to enable American citizens to hold these organizations accountable.
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We currently have a very odd legal environment where these organizations enjoy more sovereign immunity than states
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and was joined by four current members of this committee, including, as well as, Secretary of State Rubio.
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The bill will allow American victims of terrorism and their family to sue international organizations
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What is your understanding of the role these organizations have played in facilitating terrorism
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Well, UNRWA, there were individuals in UNRWA who participated,
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who executed and committed terrorist acts against Israel on October 7th.
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Sinwar, the leader of Hamas, carried an UNRWA passport.
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You had a Hamas data center under UNRWA headquarters.
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I was proud to be one of the leaders when it came to defunding UNRWA.
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And I am committed to holding them accountable and working with the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House
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Now, there's also other big news that we want to talk about,
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The Secretary of State now has an even bigger job than any Secretary of State had
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during the time of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris being in office.
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And what's really cool about what's happening now is Donald Trump is empowering leaders to do their job well.
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Now, there was some big breaking news, and that is that President Donald Trump signed an executive order
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suspending all U.S. foreign assistance programs for 90 days,
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pending a comprehensive review to ensure their alignment with his administration's policy objectives.
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Now, this suspension affects a wide range of global initiatives,
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including humanitarian aid, economic development, and health programs.
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Notably, the U.S. contributes approximately $70.3 billion annually in foreign aid,
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He said it's time for all of this to go back under a review,
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and is calling out other countries for what he described as not paying their fair share.
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He will do a deep dive into where your tax dollars are going and then come back with recommendations.
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What's also interesting is how this relates back to Marco Rubio and his conversation with Senator Cruz on January the 17th.
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And I've got to say, boy, that sounds good, Mr. Chairman.
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Well, congratulations, and I'm looking forward to the next two years working together.
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And to Senator Rubio, let me say congratulations to you as well.
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But you're going to do an extraordinary job at Foggy Bottom.
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And I will say if they capture you and tie you up in the basement, we will send a team to pull you out.
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You know, as I look back over the last four years of the Biden-Harris administration,
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there are a lot of policies that have done a lot of damage.
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But I think all of those pale compared to the damage that has been done to national security and foreign policy over the last four years.
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Over the last four years, this administration has systematically undermined and abandoned our allies.
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And it has systematically shown weakness and appeasement to our enemies.
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We've gone from four years ago, peace and prosperity, to today, a situation with wars across the globe
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and every enemy of America stronger than they were when this administration came into office.
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I am confident the incoming administration is going to change that direction.
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I am confident that President Trump and the White House and you as Secretary of State
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are going to shift us back to where we should be,
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which is standing by our friends and allies and standing up to our enemies.
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Is that what you intend to do as Secretary of State?
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Well, let me say first, the foreign policy of the United States will be set by the President.
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And my job is to advise on it and ultimately to execute.
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I think the President has been abundantly clear.
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And that is, his policy is going to be driven about making America safer, stronger, and more prosperous.
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As I said in my opening statement, everything the State Department does,
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every policy, every program, every dollar it spends, every initiative it takes,
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And if it doesn't, if the answer is not yes to one of those three,
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you're going to have a hard time moving that forward because that's the priority that the President,
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and that's the priority that, by the way, voters gave this President when they elected him.
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You point to a number of things that I think are critically important.
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And I'll phrase it a different way, but I think we're saying the same thing.
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We have lost deterrence in multiple theaters around the world.
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So as an example, and I use this as a small-scale example, but it's really an important one.
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The Wagner group tried to get cute and came after some of Americans operating in Syria.
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They threatened us, and they knew what the response would be.
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I recall the consternation here and in other places when Soleimani met his demise.
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But I can tell you it impacted Iranian behavior for a substantial period of time.
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No matter how tough they talked, it impacted their behavior.
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I think it's important to reestablish deterrence.
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And to the extent that that's been lost for a variety of reasons,
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the lack of deterrence is an invitation to war.
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The lack of deterrence is an invitation to hostility.
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It prevents the very thing that we hope to achieve, which is peace and stability in the world.
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And I think in some ways it contributed to what happened in Ukraine.
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An item I know is very close to you, and you've worked very hard on it,
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and we talked earlier today about it, is energy dependence.
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I recall President Trump at both a NATO summit and at the United Nations.
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And I recall the United Nations one in particular.
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President Trump said, Germany is dependent, entirely going to be left dependent on China,
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There were diplomats in the hall that were snickering.
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It is one of the reasons why Putin believed he could invade Europe is because Europe would not push back
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because they depended on him so much for energy.
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They have moved very swiftly, particularly the Germans, to diversify their energy resources.
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But one could argue that we may never have had that invasion had that dependence not existed
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because maybe who would have thought the European response would have been more forceful than he anticipated.
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So I do think reestablishing deterrence and strength is important because it prevents war,
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and it gives us leverage in diplomacy, which where we hope to solve 99.9% of the global disagreements,
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we hope to solve through diplomacy, not through armed conflict.
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As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
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