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00:02:46.100Senator, you and several other senators signed a letter asking for the Senate Minority Leader,
00:02:54.780Mitch McConnell, to move forward quickly with impeachment hearings for Mayorkas.
00:03:00.840And there are a lot of Republican establishment people that don't want this to move forward to a trial.
00:03:05.960Explain why this letter was so important.
00:03:08.840And not a lot of Republicans signed this letter.
00:03:11.640You guys are truly leading the way on this.
00:03:13.660Well, next week, the Senate will receive the articles of impeachment, and the Senate will return from recess on February 26th.
00:03:26.400And under the Senate rules, when the Senate receives articles of impeachment, the next thing that happens is that senators are sworn in as jurors the next day.
00:04:06.440In other words, he wants the Senate not to adjudicate the articles of impeachment at all, not to conclude guilty or not guilty, simply to table it on a party line vote and move on.
00:04:17.780And the purpose of this, look, we've talked a lot on this podcast about how the disaster on the southern border, you cannot defend it on the merits.
00:04:26.540You cannot defend it on the substance.
00:04:28.700The Democrats have one strategy and one strategy only, and that is hide it from the American people.
00:04:34.140In order to hide it from the American people, they need to make sure that the average person doesn't know the human suffering that the Democrats open borders are causing.
00:04:44.820That's why Schumer wants to table the articles of impeachment at the outset, never have a trial, never hear the evidence, never consider anything, and never put any senator on record adjudicating the claims.
00:04:58.220And so in response to that, Mike Lee and I together led a letter to Mitch McConnell, and it's a letter that was signed by 13 senators.
00:05:08.340And it calls on Mitch McConnell to stand up and fight for the Senate to fulfill our constitutional obligation under the terms of the Constitution.
00:05:20.400When the House impeaches, we have an obligation to conduct a trial and to adjudicate the guilt or innocence of the individual who's impeached.
00:05:30.240And Chuck Schumer is trying to, for the first time in our country's history in over 200 years, refuse to adjudicate an article of impeachment.
00:05:39.500Simply table it, make it go away, say, never mind, nothing to see here, and give every Democrat senator a get-out-of-jail-free pass by avoiding the need for them to give an answer on guilt or innocence.
00:05:52.280Well, let's talk about what this trial would look like and explain, because this is not saying it's happened in my lifetime.
00:05:59.540It's something that's very rare when it's a cabinet member, obviously, throughout history.
00:06:04.320But let's talk about what a trial would actually look like.
00:06:07.400Does it look very much like what we've seen before when it comes to an impeachment trial for a president?
00:06:13.500Well, it potentially does, but there are differences.
00:06:16.080So, for example, the Constitution specifies that when the president of the United States is impeached, the chief justice of the United States will preside.
00:06:32.320John Roberts is the chief justice of the United States.
00:06:35.140He is not the chief justice of the United States Supreme Court.
00:06:38.720Just like Joe Biden is the president of the United States, John Roberts is the chief justice of the United States.
00:06:44.940That is the formal and technical title.
00:06:48.740The Constitution provides the chief justice will preside over the impeachment trial of a president, because obviously Mayorkas is not a president.
00:07:00.280Instead, the trial is typically presided over by the president pro tem, which right now is Patty Murray, Democrat senator from Washington state.
00:07:10.740Now, when it comes to cabinet members, impeaching cabinet members is exceptionally rare.
00:07:17.240In fact, Mayorkas, this is only the second time in history the House has impeached a cabinet member.
00:07:23.960And even that is overstating it, because the last cabinet secretary to be impeached was Secretary of War William Belknap, and that was in 1876.
00:07:35.700Now, what's interesting about Belknap is right before the House voted to impeach him, Belknap resigned.
00:07:45.280So Mayorkas is actually the first sitting cabinet member ever to be impeached.
00:07:51.160And in terms of how the trial will proceed, the Senate is not obligated to hold a full trial on the floor of the Senate as as the Senate does for the impeachment of a president.
00:08:05.440And so, for example, in past impeachments, a number of judges have been impeached.
00:08:09.740Yeah. And what the Senate has done in the past is appointed a impeachment committee to conduct the trial.
00:08:19.360And typically that committee consists of an equal number of Republicans and Democrats, members of both parties.
00:08:25.180And so it can be a smaller group of the Senate that that conducts the trial.
00:08:29.560But what has always happened is is that the House managers get to present their evidence, they get to prosecute the case, they get to put on the trial.
00:08:38.520And and what has also always happened is the senators adjudicate all 100 senators ultimately adjudicate guilt or innocence.
00:08:48.440So if the Senate appoints an impeachment committee, that committee makes a recommendation to the Senate.
00:08:55.140But then every senator goes on record voting, what Schumer is trying to do, he knows that if there is a trial, even of a smaller committee than the full Senate,
00:09:04.100that that will force press coverage of the absolute disaster.
00:09:10.700Mayorkas has been the disaster. Biden has been the open border chaos they have produced.
00:09:16.280And Schumer doesn't want anyone to know that.
00:09:18.340And so, as I said, what he wants to do is instead just right at the outset, before anything starts, say, we're not going to hear any evidence.
00:09:26.820We're not going to have a trial. The House managers are not going to present the evidence.
00:09:30.760They don't get to prosecute the case. No senator is going to vote guilty or not guilty.
00:09:35.500We're simply going to vote to table it and make it go away.
00:09:37.740Now, there's been a lot of media Republican establishment rhinotypes have been out there saying this is a terrible decision by conservatives to do this,
00:09:47.980that this is we already know what the outcome of the vote's going to be.
00:09:51.620This is going to be an embarrassing moment slash failure.
00:09:55.840And so why the hell are they doing this?
00:09:58.220If that was the case, then Democrats wouldn't be fighting this.
00:10:01.820I don't think this is a mistake. Do you at all?
00:10:04.720I mean, this is about national security as well, and that's something that the media and these Republican talking heads,
00:10:14.280This is about someone that is not enforcing the laws of land, not protecting a country,
00:10:20.620having an open border policy deliberately, not getting rid of people that come into the country and break our laws who are here illegally.
00:10:28.220And on top of all that, it's a national security issue from the from the terrorists on the terrorist watch list that are coming across the border.
00:10:37.140Yeah. So so I don't know who's been going on TV saying that.
00:10:40.820So I can say this with with complete free conscience because I don't know who I'm talking about.
00:10:45.800But anyone who says that is a blithering idiot with an IQ below room temperature to say it is a mistake to impeach Alejandro Mayorkas for aiding and abetting a criminal invasion of the United States of America
00:11:01.300by global cartels that have sent 10 million people illegally into this country that are bringing murderers and rapists and gang members into this country that that are abusing children that are raping women that that are potentially smuggling in Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists
00:11:17.420to say that it is a mistake for Republicans to fight for the House to impeach Mayorkas.
00:11:22.820They should have done this two years ago.
00:11:24.900You and I have both been calling for this for two years.
00:11:27.540And in the Senate, look, is the Chuck Schumer Democrat Senate going to vote to convict?
00:12:45.780Schumer and Biden do not want the American people to know that, so they want the issue to go away.
00:12:52.600But I got to say, any Republican that like a docile little sheep rolls over and starts buying, the hell is wrong with them.
00:13:01.160And there's a reason 13 of us wrote a letter to our leadership because Republican leadership, when they see a fight, typically turn around and charge the opposite direction.
00:13:11.700And so we ought to stand united and say, listen, we have a constitutional obligation.
00:13:18.920Listen, I'm going to read you the letter we sent because it's not a long letter.
00:13:22.580Dear Leader McConnell, our Republican colleagues in the House have recently passed two articles of impeachment against Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas for willful and systemic refusal to comply with the law, as well as the breach of public trust.
00:13:37.840These articles will soon be transmitted to the Senate.
00:13:41.660It is imperative that the Senate Republican conference prepare to fully engage our constitutional duty and hold a trial.
00:13:50.500According to multiple briefings by your staff, Majority Leader Schumer and Senate Democrats intend to dispose with the articles of impeachment simply by tabling both individually.
00:14:01.380This is an action rarely contemplated and never taken by the U.S. Senate in the history of our republic.
00:14:09.340It remains to be seen if the Senate rules will even allow us to brush aside our duty in this manner.
00:14:14.840But one thing is sure, if a similar strategy was contemplated by Senate Republicans when we were in the majority with a Republican occupying the White House,
00:14:25.200the opposition would be fierce and the volume from Democrats would be deafening.
00:14:31.380We call on you to join us in our efforts to jettison this approach by Democrats to shirk their constitutional duty, ensure that the Senate conducts a proper trial and that every senator, Republican and Democrat, adjudicates this matter when the Senate returns.
00:14:49.200And Mike Lee and I led it at signed by a total of 13 senators.
00:14:52.740I want to ask you about strategy here of laying this out to the American people, because that's going to be obviously something we got to get right at the very beginning.
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00:17:01.220Senator, laying all this out and the threat from Mayorkas and not doing his job, which is what this is basically about,
00:17:10.160how do the Republicans do this the right way?
00:17:13.400Do you break it up into, hey, the fentanyl coming across the southern border because it's open is the number one killer of people under the age of 49 and you go through that?
00:17:24.000Do you then go through the sex trafficking and the human smuggling?
00:17:27.260Do you then go to the terrorist on the terrorist watch list?
00:17:31.800Do you then go to the financial aspects?
00:17:33.700I mean, is that how we need to break this down so the American people understand just how catastrophic this is?
00:17:39.880Well, listen, what you say makes a lot of sense and what you're doing there is telling a story.
00:17:44.020And I will say that's one thing Republicans are typically horrible at doing is telling a story.
00:17:48.960And that's what we desperately need to do.
00:17:51.480At the end of the day, the choice of how to present the evidence is not going to be one for the Senate to make.
00:17:57.660The way an impeachment trial works, the House managers are the prosecutors.
00:18:21.340It should focus on the dead bodies, the Biden body bags that have piled up one after the other after the other.
00:18:27.160It should focus on the children who've been physically and sexually abused over and over and over again.
00:18:33.160It should focus on the women who've been violently raped.
00:18:35.600It should focus on the disease that has come in over our open border.
00:18:40.080It should focus on the more than 100,000 drug overdoses last year, the highest in recorded history, 70 percent of which came from Chinese fentanyl coming across our southern border.
00:18:51.340It should focus on the terror threat, Hamas, Hezbollah, the open borders we have and the exposure we have to a major terrorist attack higher, I believe, right now than any time since September 11th.
00:19:06.240But what Chuck Schumer is trying to do is prevent all of that.
00:19:09.940He wants to table the articles before any evidence is presented, before the Senate considers anything, and he wants to spare Democrat senators.
00:19:20.120Understand, there are a bunch of Democrat senators running in red and purple states that Schumer doesn't want to have them vote not guilty because Mayorkas is obviously guilty.
00:19:30.980And so he doesn't want to get them on record, and tabling it is a much simpler and less painful way to do it.
00:19:37.360Now, I can tell you, a week ago, Mike Lee and I together went to the Senate parliamentarian's office, and we presented an argument, the two of us.
00:19:45.560It's quite rare for senators to go directly to the parliamentarian.
00:19:49.540Typically, staff, lawyers on our staff make those arguments.
00:19:53.420Mike and I made these arguments ourselves, and he and I have both done this a couple of different times over the last decade.
00:19:59.420But the argument we presented is we wanted to walk through the parliamentarian, the history and the precedent in this case.
00:20:07.560And in particular, because Schumer wants to table the articles, we wanted to underscore that in over two centuries, the Senate has never once tabled articles of impeachment.
00:20:20.560There was a previous impeachment in which the Senate tabled the procedural rules, but that's different than tabling the actual articles of impeachment, refusing to adjudicate.
00:20:30.080And the point we made, which the parliamentarian agreed with, is every single time when an impeachment came over, the Senate adjudicated the merits.
00:20:41.960The one exception was a case where the individual resigned, and in that case, the House basically withdrew the articles of impeachment.
00:20:49.360So every time there was an impeachment and the House was pressing the impeachment, the end of it was every senator saying guilty or not guilty.
00:20:59.120And what Chuck Schumer is trying to do is throw away 200 years of our nation's history, all in an effort to give political protection to vulnerable Democrats and to avoid any media coverage of the disaster at our southern border.
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00:22:01.860Well, actually, when it comes to questions, unfortunately, the Senate doesn't get to ask questions.
00:22:07.520And so if you remember back, look, when verdict launched, the very first episode of this podcast was the first night of the first Trump impeachment.
00:22:17.760And if you remember what happened in impeachment number one and impeachment number two, when we sat there as jurors, we couldn't speak.
00:22:25.060Yeah, I'll admit that was frustrating.
00:22:27.620You know, among things I like to do, I do kind of enjoy talking.
00:23:09.120It is true that we are jurors in one sense and that we adjudicate guilt or innocence.
00:23:14.120But but senators are not designed to be impartial frequently in impeachment.
00:23:20.320You have senators who are very close to the individual being impeached or very antagonistic to the individual being impeached.
00:23:29.400The impeachments occur in a partisan context and senators are elected in partisan elections.
00:23:35.080The framers knew that that was the world in which impeachments would occur.
00:23:39.620And they placed it in a political body to have an exercise of judgment and and importantly, actually, during the Bill Clinton impeachment, Tom Harkin, the senator from Iowa at the time, stood up and raised a point of order and asked for a clarification from the presiding chief justice.
00:23:59.360That was William Rehnquist, my my former boss, the previous chief justice.
00:24:03.700And and Harkin raised a point of order and said, to clarify, we are not jurors in the sense of a jury in a criminal case where we simply have to review the evidence and make a determination.
00:24:17.540And the chief justice ruled that is correct.
00:24:21.040The Constitution empowers you to adjudicate this matter and to consider issues of fact and law and policy and politics and everything else.
00:24:31.100But during that trial, I spoke frequently with President Trump's lawyers more than once.
00:24:37.640I told them I thought a strategy they were pursuing was boneheaded a number of times.
00:24:43.420I told them there were strategies they were pursuing that were quite good and they should do more of it.
00:24:47.540And I was trying to give my judgment in terms.
00:24:49.660I thought both Trump impeachments were completely bogus.
00:24:52.980They were not supported by either the facts or the law.
00:24:55.420And and I wanted that to be the outcome.
00:24:57.940And so I was actively involved in giving my my thoughts and counsel to to the Trump impeachment defense.
00:25:06.220Now, you'll recall the questions we asked in the full trial were asked.
00:25:12.160We wrote them on note cards and then submitted them to the bench.
00:25:16.860And actually, the chief justice read the questions.
00:25:20.300And so that's how it proceeded on on the floor of the Senate.
00:25:23.980But in this instance, if we have a trial, if the Senate follows the procedure, I think it is more likely than not that a trial would be conducted by a smaller committee, not the full Senate.
00:25:34.860I don't think we're likely to spend weeks on the Senate floor.
00:25:37.960If we had a Republican majority, I would be arguing vociferously for us to spend weeks on the Senate floor trying this.
00:25:45.280But with Schumer as majority leader, that argument is going to fail.
00:25:48.860So I think it is likely instead to go to a smaller committee appointed to to to hear the trial.
00:25:56.900But then the trial will be driven by the presentation of evidence by the House managers.
00:26:02.340If if if the Senate actually does its job and Republicans don't roll over quietly while Schumer tables the whole matter to make it go away.
00:26:10.620One last question, because this is incredibly complicated, but also unbelievably interesting.
00:26:16.540There are going to be a ton of people that say this is a frivolous waste of taxpayers, money and time because you can count the votes and, you know, the Democrats are going to be able to defeat this.
00:26:30.700Therefore, Republicans shouldn't do this.
00:26:53.220The problem is Republican leadership doesn't get the value of it.
00:26:56.840Our leadership is is from a prior generation where they do not understand that what we do in the Senate actually influences public opinion.
00:27:05.440A lot of our leadership comes from an era where they say, look, we make decisions in smoke filled rooms in Washington.
00:27:14.180And then we go back to our home states and we tell the silly constituents there, whatever it is they want to hear.
00:27:20.720And there's no connection between the two that that they think public opinion is exogenous.
00:27:26.400It is it is separate and not impacted by what we're doing.
00:27:31.280I think that is a fundamental mistake, that that that a major part of our job is to present facts and argument in a way that move public opinion.
00:27:42.100Our leadership fundamentally doesn't think that way.
00:27:47.140Everything they do is is designed to move public opinion.
00:27:50.600Virtually nothing Republican leadership does is designed to move public opinion because they don't view that as our job.
00:27:57.060I think it is critical to our job and and and all right, let's just go through some facts.
00:28:04.420So since 1789, the Senate has completed 17 impeachment trials of those 17 trials completed.
00:28:15.080The Senate, seven of them were conducted in the last 80 years and four of them were federal judges.
00:28:22.240In those four cases, the Senate appointed a trial committee composed of an equal number of senators from each party to hear and consider evidence and report to the Senate.
00:28:31.760The trial committees were not used for presidential impeachments.
00:28:35.820And the three trials since 1836 conducted without a committee were Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and Donald Trump.
00:28:42.580Every single instance in over 200 years of our nation's history, the Senate has never once, not even a single time, tabled articles of impeachment.
00:28:54.900Every single time the Senate has voted on either guilt or innocence or the House has withdrawn the impeachment.
00:29:01.880And so this is an opportunity for Senate Republican leadership just to stand and fight.
00:29:10.400And I hope that they do. I don't know if they will, but I hope that they do.
00:29:15.000Senator, you said something that was very interesting.
00:29:17.020You got to really pay attention to the words. And you said there were 17 completed impeachment.
00:29:22.180So the question I have to ask is, well, then how many others weren't completed and what what's the difference between the two?
00:29:29.020Is it meaning that the Senate decides guilt or innocence and that is completed?
00:29:36.140In total, there have been 21 impeachments sent to the Senate.
00:29:40.980And look, we're well over 200 years old.
00:29:43.540So it averages a little less frequently than once every 10 years of the 21 impeachments, 21 individuals who were impeached by the House of Representatives and transmitted to the Senate.
00:29:55.16017 of them were completed, had a trial, and they ended in an adjudication of guilty or not guilty.
00:30:01.540One of the 21 never got started and the Senate didn't take action because the person resigned.
00:30:09.920And then three of them were dismissed.
00:30:12.080One of them was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds, and two of them were dismissed because the people resigned and the House asked for the proceedings to be halted.
00:30:23.440The one that was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds was the first ever impeachment, and it was the impeachment of a senator.
00:30:30.160And the Senate concluded they had no jurisdiction over the impeachment of a senator, that impeachment applies to executive officers or judicial officers, but not to members of the legislature.
00:30:42.340And so it was dismissed on the basis of jurisdiction.
00:30:44.400The other two that were dismissed were judges who resigned, and so the House asked the Senate to end the proceedings.
00:30:52.320And the ones that were dismissed, the most recent one was Samuel Kent, who was a district judge in Texas, who was impeached, and then he resigned, right?
00:31:03.660And so the House asked the Senate to dismiss the matter.
00:31:08.920Before that was George W. English, who was a district judge from Illinois, who was impeached by the House in 1926.
00:31:16.000And likewise, the judge resigned, and so the House asked the Senate not to proceed.
00:31:26.640And then the very first one that I mentioned was Senator William Blount.
00:31:30.300And Blount was a senator from Tennessee, and he was charged with conspiring with British forces and Indian tribes to seize Spanish-held lands in the lower Mississippi Valley in order to open the area to more settlers and to increase his personal land holdings.
00:31:49.580So, I mean, you want to talk about salacious charges.
00:31:52.360It was literally treason with our enemies to enrich themselves.
00:31:56.120And what happened there was that the House impeached him, and the Senate, and this was in 1797, so it was very early in our country's history, and over the next several months, the Senate spent a lot of time preparing for the trial.
00:32:14.240And the Senate trial began on December 17, 1798, and the House managers and Blount's defense counsel presented arguments,
00:32:22.980But ultimately, the question came down to whether Congress could impeach a former member.
00:32:29.540And on January 14, 1799, the Senate dismissed the case, doing so on jurisdictional grounds, holding that impeachment did not lie against a member of the legislature.
00:32:42.240What that means is unless there's a jurisdictional claim, and there's not, and unless Mayorkas resigns, and he hasn't, that in every single instance for more than 200 years, when the House has impeached someone, the Senate has adjudicated the matter and has come to a conclusion, guilty or not guilty.
00:33:05.740That's the argument I presented, and Mike Lee presented to the parliamentarian.
00:33:09.500I think that's consistent with the Constitution and our rules, and I very much hope that we see Republicans united in holding Democrats to follow the Constitution and follow the rules of the Senate.
00:33:20.740Last question for you, and that is, there are people that are going to be listening, and they're going to be saying to themselves,
00:33:27.580How do I get involved to make sure Republican leadership does the right thing?
00:33:32.120Is this that moment of call to arms, where you say, hey, call your senator, regardless if they're Republican or Democrat, call the Senate Minority Leader's office as well?
00:33:45.580Well, that is always effective, picking up the phone and calling your senator and saying, follow the law, convict Mayorkas, remove him from office.
00:33:56.560The invasion at our southern border is threatening the safety and security of my family.
00:34:06.820It is a grotesque violation of the obligations of a cabinet member.
00:34:12.140And, look, every senator, it makes a difference when their constituent calls.
00:34:18.360That can be very effective and speak out and make the case to your friends and family and on social media and to anyone else who will listen that the right thing to do here was to impeach him, and now it's to convict him.
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00:37:41.640These are not your typical election year headlines, but this is clearly not a typical election year matchup if it turns out to be these two presumed nominees.
00:37:52.020So the publisher of The New York Times is standing by his papers reporting on the president's quote on popularity and his age, but says that the White House is not happy.
00:38:02.920In fact, he says they're extremely upset about the coverage that they're getting at The New York Times.
00:38:07.640And take a listen to this exchange just a short time ago as President Biden left for a fundraising trip to California.
00:39:15.120Listen, it was this podcast that drove news and drove news across the country when we said months ago that I believe there was a very significant chance the Democrat Party would pull the cord on Joe Biden, yank him out, and replace him with Michelle Obama.
00:39:31.720And I think if they do that, they're likely to do it either at the Democrat convention this summer or shortly thereafter.
00:39:37.540And we're seeing the corporate media, which is one in the same with the Democrat Party, but in many ways, they're the left wing of the Democrat Party.
00:39:50.440They're starting to realize, crap, if it's Biden against Trump, we think Trump's going to win.
00:39:55.220And so they're hitting the panic button.
00:39:57.840And I think we're going to see more of these stories as the media turns on them.
00:40:01.900I do think you're seeing both Democrats in the media getting very, very worried about Joe Biden's ability to win in November.
00:40:08.820When you are running for president, you've done this before and you see something this significant of a change in the news cycle.
00:40:17.780Joe Biden has had three years of basically a media that's been covering for him.
00:40:22.720I think that's why he was so shocked when he had that the report that came out about his cognitive decline and couldn't answer basic questions.
00:40:30.380And then he came out with a very angry, really dysfunctional press conference at night and the media didn't get back in line since then.
00:40:39.620So when you see this, who is moving the needle?
00:40:42.720Is it donors who are saying we're not going to give money anymore?
00:40:46.200Or is it the leadership of the Democratic Party saying we got to figure something out?
00:41:28.220If they believed he would win, they'd be perfectly fine to weaken at Bernie's him, to stand him up as a corpse and say, Joe Biden's there and let's keep pulling the puppet strings.
00:41:40.400Their concern is they're worried he's going to lose.
00:41:44.320And that is a very real and acute concern on their part.
00:41:49.820It's also worth noting, you were talking about the press turning on him.
00:41:54.180You know, there's a real difference between Republicans and Democrats.
00:41:57.580Look, on my end, the press has always turned on me.
00:42:01.820Every question they're asking, they're looking to screw me nine ways to Sunday.
00:42:05.340That that's just when you're and by the way, and you've been in the Capitol with me, Ben, as you know, when I walk from my office to the Senate floor and I do so repeatedly, whether it is to vote or to go to meetings or to go to committee hearings.
00:42:18.140I'm walking back and forth through the Capitol and there's a cluster of reporters that surround you and they ask you a hostile question after hostile question on every topic under the sun.
00:42:27.100And if you're a Republican, especially conservative Republican, you're used to just getting constant barrages of attacks.
00:42:38.700Remember Joe Biden in his first year in the White House, the reporters would ask him things like, Mr. President, what's your favorite flavor of ice cream?
00:43:01.080And and and so he is really startled because he's not used to any scrutiny.
00:43:07.100He's not used to journalists actually being journalists.
00:43:10.080By the way, there is this phenomenon for Republicans as well.
00:43:13.120If you remember John McCain, John McCain used to get lots of adoring press coverage because when he was a Republican senator, he would often attack other Republicans and the press.
00:43:24.800And he would attack him from the left.
00:43:26.200And the press loves it when a Republican attacks other Republicans from the left.
00:44:26.740Well, if he stays the nominee, they'll get back in line and they'll immediately begin saying it's ageist and racist and horrible to even ask these questions.
00:44:37.040So this is the moment where they're trying to see if they can push him out and replace him with Michelle Obama.
00:44:43.060If they can't, if he doesn't go, if we get to September and Biden's the nominee, the media will suddenly be completely silent on this front and will attack anyone who dares raise the same questions they're raising right now.
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