Verdict with Ted Cruz - March 01, 2025


Zelenskyy Crashes & Burns-Epic Oval Office Meltdown (SPECIAL Emergency POD)


Episode Stats

Length

28 minutes

Words per Minute

171.0236

Word Count

4,911

Sentence Count

403

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

16


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
00:00:02.560 Guaranteed human.
00:00:04.940 Center, we're live here with a very fun crowd
00:00:08.760 at Club for Growth at their conference down in Florida.
00:00:14.160 It is Verdict with Ted Cruz,
00:00:15.580 obviously Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:17.360 It is great to be here.
00:00:18.700 And this is going to be for our audience
00:00:21.000 what we refer to as an emergency pod.
00:00:23.700 Yep.
00:00:24.140 Outside the normal Monday, Wednesday, Friday schedule.
00:00:26.980 We're doing two basically today for Friday
00:00:29.260 because of what we just witnessed in the Oval Office
00:00:32.540 with Zelensky showing up.
00:00:34.660 And it was very clear from what the president said,
00:00:37.220 he was not there to work a deal.
00:00:39.020 He was not there for peace.
00:00:40.220 I want to get your initial reaction to this.
00:00:42.360 Well, let me say you and I are both
00:00:44.040 at the Club for Growth conference down in Florida today.
00:00:46.540 I will say the Club for Growth
00:00:47.760 is an extraordinarily important conservative
00:00:50.720 and a free market organization.
00:00:51.920 They support conservative and free market candidates
00:00:54.640 running for the Senate, running for the House.
00:00:56.880 I literally would not be in the U.S. Senate
00:01:00.100 were it not for the Club for Growth,
00:01:01.900 making a big gamble on me.
00:01:05.540 They know how to pick winners.
00:01:07.840 And by the way, when the club got behind me
00:01:10.500 13 years ago when I first ran,
00:01:13.160 I was literally at 2% in the polls.
00:01:15.560 You had to be out of your ever-loving minds
00:01:18.020 to be backing me.
00:01:20.500 The last job I had been elected to
00:01:23.820 was student council.
00:01:26.020 And the club leaned in in a big way
00:01:28.680 and shocked every observer.
00:01:30.580 And they play cycle after cycle,
00:01:33.240 fighting to elect strong, free market,
00:01:35.600 principled conservatives.
00:01:36.880 And so I've been to the Club for Growth conference
00:01:39.100 many, many times.
00:01:40.400 There are extraordinary patriots here.
00:01:42.800 And so I just want to say thank you
00:01:44.320 to the men and women here
00:01:45.420 for your leadership standing up
00:01:47.660 and fighting to save our nation.
00:01:48.840 Amen.
00:01:51.680 So let's get into your initial reaction.
00:01:54.900 Then I want to play some clips.
00:01:56.280 But this has gone viral, obviously.
00:01:59.220 Zelensky coming to the White House.
00:02:00.820 The pretense for this meeting was to get a deal
00:02:03.340 and to work a deal for peace.
00:02:05.740 And the president, I think,
00:02:07.380 learned pretty quickly to the point where he said,
00:02:09.440 we're not even doing a joint press conference.
00:02:11.440 Have a good day.
00:02:12.980 You're not here for that at all.
00:02:15.280 So look, I suspect pretty much everyone here
00:02:18.040 has already watched much of this exchange
00:02:20.060 and what happened.
00:02:21.360 What I will tell you is that President Zelensky
00:02:23.940 showed up in the Oval Office
00:02:26.500 and decided he was there to battle Donald Trump,
00:02:29.520 decided he was there to insult Donald Trump,
00:02:31.920 decided he was there to attack
00:02:33.960 and belittle Donald Trump.
00:02:36.220 Without exaggeration, I believe this will go down
00:02:42.500 as the most disastrous Oval Office meeting
00:02:45.660 in the history of our nation.
00:02:47.920 Wow.
00:02:48.980 Zelensky had one job.
00:02:51.400 His one job was to go there
00:02:53.480 and to try to get the president's support
00:02:56.900 for a peace that leaves his country
00:03:00.260 in a good and strong position.
00:03:01.980 That was his entire mission.
00:03:03.620 And he apparently decided
00:03:05.580 that he knew better than everyone else
00:03:08.260 and that President Trump should be kissing his ass.
00:03:13.280 Now, I got to say, look, for any president,
00:03:16.380 you go back from George Washington
00:03:18.800 to Ronald Reagan to George W. Bush
00:03:22.620 to Joe Biden to Donald Trump
00:03:26.380 coming into the Oval Office
00:03:28.140 and behaving like an ass,
00:03:32.420 insulting and attacking the president
00:03:34.620 with the TV cameras running.
00:03:35.820 By the way, doing this for the entire world,
00:03:38.280 for any president,
00:03:39.880 is a dumbass move.
00:03:41.780 It was on purpose, too.
00:03:42.900 It was very deliberate.
00:03:43.820 It wasn't an accident.
00:03:45.100 So there literally is no analog.
00:03:46.920 If you look back,
00:03:48.140 you look back,
00:03:48.960 I've been in a lot of Oval Office meetings.
00:03:51.780 No foreign leader has ever done
00:03:54.220 what President Zelensky did,
00:03:56.500 and it's particularly ironic
00:03:58.420 because it is exactly opposite
00:04:00.520 what he wanted to do.
00:04:02.340 It's exactly opposite what his mission was.
00:04:05.260 Look, he was there.
00:04:07.280 Number one,
00:04:08.700 the United States has given
00:04:10.060 hundreds of billions of dollars
00:04:12.780 to Zelensky.
00:04:14.760 Let's be clear.
00:04:15.440 Not millions.
00:04:16.860 You said it.
00:04:17.560 Billions.
00:04:18.180 With a B.
00:04:18.680 And 50% he said they can't find.
00:04:23.360 Zelensky's attitude
00:04:24.320 was why the hell
00:04:26.800 haven't you given us more
00:04:28.240 and we're entitled to every bit of it.
00:04:30.680 Here, I want to play the first clip.
00:04:32.720 This is a clip of the exchange
00:04:34.180 between President Zelensky
00:04:35.400 and President Trump.
00:04:36.780 Your country is in big trouble.
00:04:38.400 Can I answer?
00:04:39.200 No, no.
00:04:39.540 You've done a lot of talking.
00:04:41.000 Your country is in big trouble.
00:04:42.780 I know.
00:04:43.460 You're not winning.
00:04:44.360 I know.
00:04:44.460 You're not winning this.
00:04:45.320 You have a damn good chance
00:04:47.460 of coming out okay
00:04:48.520 because of us.
00:04:49.220 Mr. President,
00:04:49.940 we are staying in our country,
00:04:51.440 staying strong
00:04:52.180 from the very beginning of the war.
00:04:53.960 We've been alone
00:04:54.800 and we are thankful.
00:04:56.080 I said thanks
00:04:56.720 in this cabinet
00:04:57.980 and not only in this cabinet.
00:04:59.240 We gave you
00:04:59.880 through this stupid president
00:05:01.460 $350 billion.
00:05:03.700 We gave you military equipment
00:05:05.820 and you men are brave
00:05:07.320 but they had to use our military.
00:05:08.900 If you didn't have
00:05:10.500 our military equipment,
00:05:11.980 if you didn't have
00:05:13.360 our military equipment,
00:05:14.700 this war would have been over
00:05:16.340 in two weeks.
00:05:17.880 So let's read the transcript of it
00:05:19.820 and if we get clip two,
00:05:20.840 they'll let us know
00:05:21.340 but clip number one,
00:05:22.440 if you want to read
00:05:23.040 what the president said,
00:05:24.080 it said,
00:05:24.900 I mean, look,
00:05:25.540 your country is in big trouble.
00:05:26.960 You're not winning.
00:05:27.620 You have a damn good chance
00:05:28.680 of coming out okay
00:05:29.580 because of us.
00:05:30.740 You haven't been alone.
00:05:32.360 We gave you
00:05:33.160 through our stupid president
00:05:35.360 $350 billion.
00:05:37.360 We gave you military equipment.
00:05:38.760 If you didn't have
00:05:39.780 our military equipment,
00:05:40.940 this war would have been over
00:05:42.620 in two weeks.
00:05:43.900 That was like
00:05:45.040 point number one
00:05:45.840 from the president.
00:05:46.540 I think it's a pretty solid point
00:05:47.820 by the way.
00:05:48.320 Look, it clearly is
00:05:50.260 and I want to give an example.
00:05:52.040 Let's say you're running a business.
00:05:53.220 All right, let's play it.
00:05:53.920 Take a look.
00:05:54.680 A lot of questions.
00:05:56.360 Let's start from the beginning.
00:05:57.540 Sure.
00:05:57.760 First of all,
00:05:58.640 during the war,
00:05:59.960 everybody has problems.
00:06:01.560 Even you,
00:06:02.420 but you have nice ocean
00:06:03.720 and don't feel now,
00:06:05.360 but you will feel it
00:06:06.580 in the future.
00:06:08.020 God bless.
00:06:08.540 You don't know that.
00:06:09.140 God bless.
00:06:09.800 God bless.
00:06:10.720 You will not have a war.
00:06:12.000 Don't tell us
00:06:12.580 what we're going to feel.
00:06:13.680 We're trying to solve a problem.
00:06:15.300 Don't tell us
00:06:15.940 what we're going to feel.
00:06:16.900 I'm not telling you.
00:06:17.780 Because you're in no position
00:06:18.900 to dictate that.
00:06:19.840 Remember this.
00:06:20.680 You're in no position
00:06:22.200 to dictate
00:06:23.380 what we're going to feel.
00:06:25.600 We're going to feel very good.
00:06:27.000 You will feel influenced.
00:06:27.540 We're going to feel very good
00:06:29.280 and very strong.
00:06:30.100 You will feel influenced.
00:06:31.360 You're right now
00:06:31.940 not in a very good position.
00:06:33.880 You've allowed yourself
00:06:34.840 to be in a very bad position
00:06:36.460 and he happens to be right about it.
00:06:37.800 From the very beginning
00:06:38.820 of the war,
00:06:39.480 you're not in a good position.
00:06:41.000 You don't have the cards right now.
00:06:43.460 With us,
00:06:43.880 you start having cards.
00:06:44.740 I'm not playing cards.
00:06:45.360 But right now,
00:06:45.980 you're playing cards.
00:06:47.080 I'm very serious, Mr. President.
00:06:47.780 You're playing cards.
00:06:48.920 You're gambling with the lives
00:06:50.380 of millions of people.
00:06:51.720 You're gambling with World War III.
00:06:54.280 You're gambling with World War III.
00:06:57.540 And what you're doing
00:06:58.340 is very disrespectful
00:06:59.960 to the country,
00:07:01.500 this country.
00:07:02.760 I mean, Senator,
00:07:03.340 you look at that
00:07:04.160 and it's a shocking,
00:07:05.460 yeah, you can clap
00:07:06.400 for the president.
00:07:07.040 There's no doubt about it.
00:07:08.260 And the way you handle it,
00:07:09.020 but you're right.
00:07:09.720 It was shocking
00:07:10.320 because, look,
00:07:10.940 we know world leaders come in
00:07:12.280 and have things
00:07:13.260 maybe they disagree with.
00:07:14.440 They do it in private.
00:07:16.020 They don't do it that way.
00:07:16.880 There are meetings
00:07:18.480 where world leaders disagree
00:07:20.460 and disagree sometimes
00:07:22.660 with a great deal of candor.
00:07:24.900 A hundred percent of the times
00:07:26.100 the TV cameras are turned off.
00:07:28.180 Behind closed doors,
00:07:29.400 world leaders can have
00:07:30.660 very frank discussions
00:07:32.820 and I have been in
00:07:33.720 on many of those discussions
00:07:35.180 with President Trump
00:07:36.260 and world leaders.
00:07:37.920 But when the TV camera turns on,
00:07:40.600 Zelensky's putting on a show
00:07:42.020 and you heard him say,
00:07:43.620 you know,
00:07:43.820 I have much respect.
00:07:45.740 You're wearing a sweatshirt
00:07:47.640 for Pete's sakes.
00:07:49.480 It's the Oval Office
00:07:50.600 of the White House,
00:07:52.380 the Office of the President
00:07:53.840 of the United States,
00:07:55.220 put on a frigging jacket and tie.
00:07:57.180 Yeah.
00:07:57.960 Wear a suit.
00:07:59.680 I mean, look,
00:08:00.920 especially when you're asking
00:08:02.160 for $350 billion, right?
00:08:03.580 I mean,
00:08:03.820 it's obnoxious
00:08:05.300 and he's acting
00:08:06.420 like a performance artist.
00:08:08.860 He used to be
00:08:10.020 a comedic actor.
00:08:11.720 Yeah.
00:08:12.400 And his costume
00:08:13.340 is the sweatshirt.
00:08:14.980 Look,
00:08:15.260 he came and addressed
00:08:16.040 a joint session of Congress
00:08:17.220 a few years ago.
00:08:18.500 He stood on the dais
00:08:19.860 of the House of Representatives.
00:08:21.080 I was there for those remarks.
00:08:22.600 He wore the same damn sweatshirt.
00:08:24.680 I will say at the time
00:08:26.300 there was a fairly amusing meme
00:08:27.800 that went around.
00:08:28.820 I remember.
00:08:29.680 That it was Zelensky
00:08:30.600 trying to explain
00:08:31.820 what happened.
00:08:32.680 He said,
00:08:33.220 I'd planned to wear
00:08:34.540 a suit and tie,
00:08:36.100 but then an official
00:08:37.160 from the Biden administration
00:08:38.400 stole my luggage.
00:08:39.940 And if you remember
00:08:41.140 this odd transgender official
00:08:43.400 in the Biden administration
00:08:44.640 who was arrested
00:08:46.120 for going to airports
00:08:47.320 and stealing strangers' luggage.
00:08:49.500 Yeah.
00:08:49.700 It was weird.
00:08:51.440 Stealing women's clothes.
00:08:53.260 Well, there is that.
00:08:55.000 But this,
00:08:57.100 the arrogance
00:08:58.120 that Zelensky brought to this,
00:09:00.560 and I actually want
00:09:01.380 to credit Trump.
00:09:03.140 Trump doesn't get mad
00:09:04.240 in this exchange.
00:09:05.840 He could get angry,
00:09:07.300 but he doesn't.
00:09:08.340 But it's just astonishing.
00:09:12.500 You know, yesterday,
00:09:13.820 I met with the foreign minister
00:09:16.060 of the European Union.
00:09:17.940 Yeah.
00:09:18.100 So the number three official
00:09:19.520 in the European Union,
00:09:20.620 the former prime minister
00:09:21.560 of Estonia.
00:09:22.160 She came to my office.
00:09:23.220 We spent about an hour
00:09:24.680 talking about Ukraine
00:09:27.020 and Russia
00:09:27.700 and what's happening in Europe.
00:09:28.880 And she was expressing concerns.
00:09:30.640 And I said,
00:09:31.060 look,
00:09:31.960 number one,
00:09:32.840 this war was unnecessary.
00:09:34.020 It was caused
00:09:35.000 by Joe Biden's weakness.
00:09:36.540 It was caused
00:09:37.720 by his unwillingness
00:09:39.880 to stand and be strong.
00:09:42.200 His weakness
00:09:43.020 caused this war.
00:09:44.340 And in particular,
00:09:46.280 Joe Biden waived
00:09:47.600 the sanctions
00:09:48.280 on Nord Stream 2.
00:09:49.900 Nord Stream 2
00:09:50.640 is the undersea pipeline
00:09:51.900 Russia was building
00:09:52.820 from Russia to Germany.
00:09:54.940 And the reason
00:09:55.940 Russia was building
00:09:56.800 Nord Stream 2
00:09:57.600 was to be able
00:09:58.980 to get natural gas
00:10:00.320 directly to Europe
00:10:01.300 without having
00:10:01.900 to go through Ukraine.
00:10:03.060 The entire purpose
00:10:04.480 of Nord Stream 2
00:10:06.220 was to enable Russia
00:10:07.540 to invade Ukraine.
00:10:08.880 In December of 2019,
00:10:11.120 I authored sanctions
00:10:12.620 legislation
00:10:13.260 that shut down
00:10:14.540 Nord Stream 2.
00:10:15.940 Putin literally
00:10:16.620 stopped building
00:10:17.420 that pipeline
00:10:18.300 the day
00:10:19.700 that President Trump
00:10:21.660 signed my sanctions
00:10:23.160 legislation into law.
00:10:25.020 Your work.
00:10:25.460 It worked.
00:10:26.460 It prevented war.
00:10:28.500 Joe Biden came in.
00:10:29.700 He was sworn
00:10:30.480 into office
00:10:31.340 on January 20th,
00:10:33.300 2021.
00:10:34.820 Putin resumed
00:10:35.660 deep sea construction
00:10:36.740 of Nord Stream 2
00:10:37.700 four days later.
00:10:38.880 January 24th.
00:10:41.120 Because Biden
00:10:42.260 had foreshadowed weakness,
00:10:43.920 that foreshadowing
00:10:44.720 was accurate
00:10:45.800 because several months later
00:10:47.120 he formally waived
00:10:48.260 those sanctions
00:10:48.980 on Russia,
00:10:50.220 on Putin,
00:10:50.880 effectively gave him
00:10:51.740 billions of dollars.
00:10:53.320 That caused
00:10:54.800 the war in Ukraine.
00:10:56.380 Without the funding,
00:10:57.660 so that people understand
00:10:58.580 that are listening,
00:10:59.800 without having
00:11:00.560 that money come in
00:11:01.520 from oil and gas,
00:11:04.440 they couldn't fund the war.
00:11:05.860 Right.
00:11:06.680 So it was an easy way
00:11:08.060 to keep war in check,
00:11:09.300 keep them in check,
00:11:10.440 because without that funding,
00:11:12.100 there's no way
00:11:12.680 they could do this
00:11:13.240 for three years.
00:11:13.940 Listen,
00:11:14.160 if Donald Trump
00:11:14.820 had been president
00:11:15.480 the last four years,
00:11:17.300 there is no war
00:11:18.160 in Ukraine.
00:11:18.840 Putin does not invade.
00:11:20.460 But Biden's weakness,
00:11:22.460 you remember Biden's
00:11:23.360 disastrous withdrawal
00:11:24.620 in Afghanistan,
00:11:25.640 the absolute debacle
00:11:26.860 that was there.
00:11:27.580 I said the day that happened,
00:11:29.780 I said the chances
00:11:30.580 of Russia invading Ukraine
00:11:32.020 have just risen tenfold
00:11:33.700 because a weak commander-in-chief
00:11:35.980 in the United States
00:11:36.940 that our enemies
00:11:37.560 are not afraid of,
00:11:38.900 it emboldens them.
00:11:40.640 Now, what I told
00:11:42.080 the EU's foreign minister
00:11:43.780 yesterday,
00:11:45.460 I said, listen,
00:11:46.300 Zelensky is behaving
00:11:47.960 catastrophically badly.
00:11:50.820 Zelensky for the past two weeks
00:11:52.500 has been running around
00:11:53.640 to the European press
00:11:55.240 and has just been
00:11:55.940 shooting his mouth off
00:11:57.280 and attacking
00:11:58.300 President Trump.
00:11:59.460 And I told the EU
00:12:00.620 foreign minister,
00:12:01.340 it's not complicated.
00:12:03.200 Donald Trump,
00:12:04.480 if somebody attacks him,
00:12:06.940 will punch back.
00:12:08.240 Every time.
00:12:09.440 100% of the time.
00:12:10.480 With no exceptions
00:12:11.860 in every instance.
00:12:13.880 This is not a secret.
00:12:15.660 I'm not revealing
00:12:16.620 top secret classified
00:12:19.100 psychological profile.
00:12:20.800 The sun rises in the morning,
00:12:22.080 it goes down in the evening,
00:12:22.920 and Donald Trump,
00:12:23.580 if you punch him,
00:12:24.140 will punch back.
00:12:24.740 And by the way,
00:12:25.840 show me one person
00:12:27.460 in a negotiation
00:12:28.360 with Trump
00:12:29.980 that thinks the thing to do
00:12:31.480 is just go in
00:12:32.640 and be a jackass.
00:12:34.300 Yeah.
00:12:34.760 And just insult him publicly
00:12:36.560 and ridicule him.
00:12:38.040 And by the way,
00:12:39.080 I'm there asking for
00:12:39.940 hundreds of billions of dollars
00:12:40.960 at the same time
00:12:41.760 I'm going to insult him.
00:12:43.240 It was staggeringly bad.
00:12:45.840 And I actually want
00:12:46.660 to give a contrast.
00:12:47.500 So we actually had
00:12:48.400 the day before,
00:12:49.540 we had the prime minister
00:12:50.680 of the United Kingdom,
00:12:51.740 Keir Starmer,
00:12:52.280 who came and met
00:12:54.180 with President Trump.
00:12:55.060 Now look,
00:12:55.900 Keir Starmer
00:12:56.480 is a leftist
00:12:58.360 in UK politics.
00:13:00.140 Keir Starmer's politics
00:13:01.160 are markedly different
00:13:02.640 from President Trump's.
00:13:04.280 He's not a conservative
00:13:05.180 in any way,
00:13:05.900 shape, or form.
00:13:06.960 Sadly,
00:13:07.340 the conservatives
00:13:07.880 in the UK
00:13:08.500 have been obliterated
00:13:10.100 politically right now,
00:13:11.220 and the left
00:13:11.680 is in control
00:13:12.360 in the UK.
00:13:13.520 And by the way,
00:13:14.140 Keir Starmer
00:13:14.600 has a terrible record
00:13:15.760 on things like free speech,
00:13:17.280 where he's willing
00:13:17.960 to send in
00:13:19.100 and arrest people
00:13:20.100 for social media tweets
00:13:22.700 he doesn't like.
00:13:23.420 So his record
00:13:24.100 on free speech
00:13:24.760 is abysmal.
00:13:26.300 Nonetheless,
00:13:27.040 Keir Starmer
00:13:27.580 understood exactly
00:13:28.900 what his job
00:13:29.900 was coming there,
00:13:31.220 which was to respect
00:13:32.780 the President
00:13:33.400 of the United States,
00:13:34.740 which was to strengthen
00:13:36.660 his friendship
00:13:38.240 with the President
00:13:38.920 of the United States.
00:13:39.640 I want you to listen
00:13:40.360 to this exchange
00:13:41.260 where a reporter
00:13:42.500 tries to get
00:13:43.900 Keir Starmer
00:13:44.840 to criticize
00:13:45.760 and blast
00:13:46.440 President Trump.
00:13:47.280 Earlier today,
00:13:48.940 you told me
00:13:49.840 that you believe
00:13:51.300 that foreign countries
00:13:52.620 pay tariffs,
00:13:54.160 but Americans
00:13:54.700 who are concerned
00:13:55.580 about higher prices
00:13:56.880 believe,
00:13:58.920 as most people do,
00:14:00.200 that they're paid
00:14:01.160 by consumers
00:14:02.080 and importers
00:14:03.080 when they import
00:14:03.880 things into this country.
00:14:05.560 Can you explain
00:14:06.680 how you came
00:14:08.240 to this belief
00:14:08.900 that foreign governments
00:14:10.240 are paying tariffs?
00:14:12.540 And for the Prime Minister,
00:14:14.480 did you discuss
00:14:15.300 with President Trump
00:14:16.240 his repeated statements
00:14:19.040 of desire
00:14:19.680 to annex Canada?
00:14:21.760 And has the King
00:14:23.780 expressed any concern
00:14:26.320 over the President's
00:14:28.520 apparent desire
00:14:29.700 to remove
00:14:31.280 one of his realms
00:14:32.760 from his control?
00:14:34.080 So, I'll go ahead
00:14:35.760 to the first part.
00:14:36.820 The tariffs
00:14:37.460 are necessary
00:14:38.600 because we've been
00:14:39.440 treated very unfairly
00:14:40.500 by many, many countries,
00:14:42.080 including our friends,
00:14:43.160 friend and foe.
00:14:44.760 But I will tell you,
00:14:46.060 it's going to make
00:14:46.980 our country rich
00:14:47.900 and it's going to
00:14:49.120 stop us
00:14:50.160 from being a laughing stock
00:14:51.520 all over the world
00:14:52.620 because we have been
00:14:54.060 taken advantage of
00:14:55.120 like no country
00:14:56.160 has ever been
00:14:56.780 taken advantage of.
00:14:57.820 Thank you very much.
00:14:58.460 Look, we had
00:15:00.360 a really good
00:15:01.040 discussion,
00:15:02.280 a productive discussion,
00:15:03.200 a good discussion
00:15:03.980 as a result of which
00:15:05.320 our teams are now
00:15:06.100 going to be working
00:15:06.580 together on an
00:15:07.640 economic deal.
00:15:08.480 Our team is going
00:15:09.120 to be working
00:15:09.460 together on security
00:15:10.560 in Ukraine.
00:15:12.560 You mentioned Canada.
00:15:13.860 I think you're trying
00:15:14.540 to find a divide
00:15:15.600 between us
00:15:16.160 that doesn't exist.
00:15:18.260 We're the closest
00:15:18.740 of nations
00:15:19.880 and we had very good
00:15:20.780 discussions today,
00:15:22.360 but we didn't discuss
00:15:23.140 Canada.
00:15:23.880 Thank you.
00:15:24.620 That's a pro move.
00:15:25.440 That's actually a head
00:15:26.620 of state
00:15:27.200 who understands
00:15:28.420 the mission,
00:15:29.660 who understands
00:15:30.960 what he's there for
00:15:32.900 and you see a reporter,
00:15:34.360 by the way,
00:15:34.820 it's very similar
00:15:35.500 to what the media
00:15:36.160 is trying to do
00:15:36.880 with President Trump
00:15:37.680 and Elon Musk.
00:15:38.540 100%.
00:15:38.940 Where they're desperately
00:15:39.820 trying to get
00:15:40.760 Trump and Elon
00:15:41.480 battling,
00:15:42.800 you know,
00:15:43.080 Time Magazine
00:15:43.700 was so clottish
00:15:45.260 they put out a picture
00:15:46.160 of Elon
00:15:46.600 at the Resolute desk.
00:15:48.120 They're like,
00:15:48.460 oh, this will work.
00:15:49.140 This will piss Trump off.
00:15:50.440 He'll just throw him
00:15:51.300 out of the oval
00:15:51.860 instantly
00:15:52.560 with this article.
00:15:53.880 And listen,
00:15:54.760 I spent an hour
00:15:56.260 with Elon yesterday.
00:15:57.760 It's not working.
00:15:58.660 It's not working
00:15:59.260 with Elon.
00:15:59.840 It's not working
00:16:00.400 with Trump.
00:16:01.380 But in this instance,
00:16:03.540 you had a reporter
00:16:04.460 that was trying
00:16:05.200 to say,
00:16:06.340 Mr. British Prime Minister,
00:16:07.660 would you attack
00:16:08.480 Donald Trump,
00:16:09.500 please,
00:16:09.860 in the White House?
00:16:11.480 And a head of state
00:16:12.780 who actually knows
00:16:13.440 what the hell
00:16:13.840 he's doing
00:16:14.280 says,
00:16:15.120 no,
00:16:16.180 we are close,
00:16:18.080 good friends.
00:16:18.920 Not just close,
00:16:19.920 the closest of friends
00:16:21.060 is what he said.
00:16:22.280 And he understood
00:16:22.940 he has a mission.
00:16:23.800 And by the way,
00:16:24.760 I promise you,
00:16:25.740 behind closed doors,
00:16:26.720 they had some issues
00:16:27.380 of disagreement.
00:16:28.500 But once the cameras
00:16:29.480 came on,
00:16:31.140 that's what
00:16:32.200 heads of state
00:16:33.860 do with the president
00:16:34.960 of the United States,
00:16:36.560 particularly when you're
00:16:37.620 at the White House.
00:16:39.380 And listen,
00:16:40.100 I think there are
00:16:40.620 a number of consequences
00:16:41.780 of what happened today.
00:16:44.000 So the plan today
00:16:44.980 was to announce
00:16:46.680 an agreement
00:16:47.380 with Ukraine,
00:16:48.280 an agreement
00:16:48.800 that would have given
00:16:49.520 the United States
00:16:50.420 an entitlement
00:16:51.060 to significant portions
00:16:52.680 of the rare earth minerals
00:16:53.940 that are in Ukraine
00:16:54.900 as a way of paying
00:16:56.400 back the money
00:16:57.200 that had been spent
00:16:58.040 funding the Ukrainian war.
00:16:59.800 That was the initial plan.
00:17:01.340 And that was the press conference
00:17:02.440 that's now been canceled.
00:17:03.540 There was a press conference.
00:17:05.860 Donald Trump canceled
00:17:06.840 the press conference.
00:17:08.300 So the agreement
00:17:09.660 on rare earth minerals
00:17:10.720 was not signed.
00:17:12.260 Trump essentially said,
00:17:13.820 get the hell out.
00:17:15.320 And in fact,
00:17:16.120 I'm going to read
00:17:16.800 the truth social
00:17:17.640 that Trump put out
00:17:18.540 after the meeting.
00:17:19.560 He said, quote,
00:17:21.640 we had a very meaningful
00:17:23.200 meeting in the White House
00:17:24.160 today.
00:17:25.340 Much was learned
00:17:26.700 that could never be understood
00:17:28.080 without conversation
00:17:29.440 under such fire
00:17:31.320 and pressure.
00:17:32.360 It's amazing
00:17:33.520 what comes out
00:17:35.000 through a motion.
00:17:36.180 And I have determined
00:17:37.680 that President Zelensky
00:17:38.880 is not ready for peace
00:17:41.200 if America is involved
00:17:43.640 because he feels
00:17:45.440 our involvement
00:17:46.440 gives him a big advantage
00:17:48.460 in negotiation.
00:17:49.560 I don't want advantage.
00:17:51.800 I want peace.
00:17:53.440 He disrespected
00:17:54.820 the United States
00:17:55.760 of America
00:17:56.340 and its cherished
00:17:57.760 Oval Office.
00:17:59.440 He can come back
00:18:00.720 when he's ready
00:18:02.200 for peace.
00:18:04.640 Which, by the way,
00:18:06.420 you look at that last line
00:18:09.440 and I think this is part of,
00:18:11.120 you know,
00:18:11.360 what Donald Trump's
00:18:11.960 really good at,
00:18:12.520 the art of the deal,
00:18:13.420 the negotiation.
00:18:14.540 He didn't say,
00:18:15.660 see you later
00:18:16.160 and we're done.
00:18:16.820 He said he can come back
00:18:18.880 when he's ready for peace.
00:18:20.120 The door's open,
00:18:21.140 but not if you're going
00:18:22.220 to come in and act
00:18:22.900 the way that you just did
00:18:23.760 and basically come
00:18:24.820 on false pretense,
00:18:25.740 which was we were going
00:18:26.380 to get a deal done
00:18:26.960 and now you're saying no.
00:18:28.700 Look, there's an image,
00:18:29.840 there's a picture
00:18:30.420 from the meeting
00:18:31.080 in the middle of the meeting
00:18:32.000 and it's the Ukrainian ambassador
00:18:34.180 to the United States
00:18:35.360 holding her head
00:18:37.560 in her hands.
00:18:38.380 Yeah.
00:18:39.200 Like, what am I watching?
00:18:40.600 And she's looking
00:18:42.040 at her boss
00:18:44.120 crap the bed
00:18:45.700 on global television.
00:18:48.240 In the Oval.
00:18:48.940 That's a technical
00:18:50.000 diplomatic term.
00:18:53.300 And I will say,
00:18:54.400 by the way,
00:18:54.780 let me just do it aside.
00:18:55.740 This is one of the great things
00:18:56.900 about podcasts.
00:18:57.800 If you're used to watching
00:19:00.760 Meet the Press.
00:19:02.600 Yes.
00:19:03.480 People rarely use phrases
00:19:05.440 like crap the bed
00:19:06.900 on Meet the Press.
00:19:09.220 Now, the host often
00:19:10.120 will crap the bed
00:19:10.960 on Meet the Press.
00:19:11.440 That's also accurate.
00:19:11.860 But they rarely
00:19:12.540 will describe it thusly.
00:19:15.900 The virtue of a podcast
00:19:17.820 is you talk directly to people.
00:19:19.820 If you're doing this right,
00:19:21.940 it should feel like
00:19:23.280 you're sitting at a coffee shop
00:19:25.360 or a bar
00:19:26.080 and having a conversation
00:19:27.700 about what the hell, man?
00:19:29.520 Did you see what just happened?
00:19:30.980 And that's the whole
00:19:32.740 power of this medium
00:19:34.560 is that there's not
00:19:35.640 there's not a press
00:19:37.660 intermediary that decides
00:19:39.340 here's what you get to hear.
00:19:41.120 Here's what you don't.
00:19:42.880 This will go down.
00:19:45.140 Look, you and I,
00:19:46.040 we did another emergency podcast.
00:19:47.820 We don't do many emergency pods.
00:19:49.260 We only do it
00:19:49.900 when the breaking news
00:19:51.240 is of sufficient magnitude
00:19:52.800 to justify it.
00:19:54.320 But you and I did
00:19:54.940 an emergency pod
00:19:55.940 the night
00:19:57.540 of the first
00:19:58.320 and only debate
00:19:59.420 between Donald Trump
00:20:00.520 and Joe Biden.
00:20:01.580 Yep.
00:20:02.060 And as soon as that debate ended,
00:20:03.540 you and I
00:20:04.080 immediately recorded a podcast,
00:20:05.940 put it out
00:20:06.460 an hour after the debate
00:20:07.800 was over.
00:20:08.500 We said that night
00:20:09.800 that this will prove
00:20:12.020 the most consequential
00:20:13.260 presidential debate
00:20:14.300 in the history
00:20:14.740 of our country.
00:20:15.380 Why?
00:20:16.400 And what I said
00:20:17.180 that night,
00:20:17.980 Joe Biden
00:20:18.540 will not be the nominee.
00:20:20.540 This debate
00:20:21.580 was so bad
00:20:22.820 that he's done.
00:20:24.280 He will be pulled
00:20:25.240 from the ticket.
00:20:26.400 He will not be the nominee.
00:20:28.500 That obviously
00:20:29.560 ended up proving accurate.
00:20:31.200 In this instance,
00:20:33.020 we open this
00:20:34.480 by my saying
00:20:35.400 this will go down
00:20:36.200 in history
00:20:36.680 as the most disastrous
00:20:37.840 Oval Office
00:20:38.680 meeting in history.
00:20:39.960 I think that's going
00:20:40.560 to happen as well.
00:20:41.620 I think this meeting
00:20:42.920 could easily end
00:20:44.280 President Zelensky's tenure.
00:20:45.720 That's what I was
00:20:46.160 going to ask you.
00:20:46.680 is how consequential
00:20:49.160 is this going to be
00:20:50.200 as he's flying back
00:20:51.680 to Ukraine
00:20:52.320 or wherever he's going
00:20:53.580 because it obviously
00:20:54.480 changed the way
00:20:55.040 the rest of the world
00:20:55.540 is looking at him.
00:20:56.720 You go from a guy
00:20:57.560 that had this massive
00:20:58.600 rise to fame.
00:21:00.780 He was calling in
00:21:02.020 to award shows.
00:21:03.260 If you guys remember,
00:21:04.100 it was like the Oscars
00:21:05.920 where he called into
00:21:07.380 early on
00:21:08.320 and everybody stood
00:21:09.240 and clapped.
00:21:09.860 He was a hero
00:21:10.820 of the quote world then.
00:21:12.600 Now you look at this
00:21:13.600 and he leaves.
00:21:14.420 What happens now?
00:21:15.100 Look, the media
00:21:16.140 loves him.
00:21:17.080 The hard left
00:21:17.860 loves him.
00:21:18.700 He's decided he wants
00:21:19.680 to be a Hollywood celebrity
00:21:20.880 rather than a world leader.
00:21:22.620 And I will say
00:21:23.200 at the outset of this war,
00:21:24.520 he had moments.
00:21:25.500 So for example,
00:21:26.940 Joe Biden was so weak
00:21:28.440 that when Russia invaded,
00:21:30.580 Biden's like,
00:21:31.200 you can't win it all.
00:21:32.260 And he offered,
00:21:33.160 he offered,
00:21:33.820 we'll send a plane
00:21:34.620 to get you,
00:21:35.280 President Zelensky,
00:21:36.060 so you can flee the country.
00:21:37.180 This is in the first week
00:21:38.040 of the war.
00:21:39.080 And Zelensky had a comment
00:21:40.620 that at the time
00:21:41.500 was an extraordinary comment.
00:21:42.720 He said,
00:21:43.040 I don't need a ride.
00:21:44.100 I need ammunition.
00:21:44.880 And that leadership
00:21:47.720 at the time
00:21:48.480 rallied his country
00:21:49.400 behind him
00:21:50.100 and he ended up
00:21:51.240 fighting with significant
00:21:52.600 resources from the United States
00:21:54.740 and Europe,
00:21:55.280 fighting against Putin
00:21:56.740 and slowing down
00:21:58.300 the onslaught significantly.
00:22:00.500 What is strange,
00:22:02.040 look,
00:22:02.240 you and I did a podcast
00:22:03.440 last fall
00:22:04.560 and it was when
00:22:06.440 Zelensky came
00:22:07.340 to the United States
00:22:08.240 and it was during
00:22:09.020 the presidential campaign.
00:22:10.120 And Zelensky made
00:22:12.160 the bizarre decision
00:22:13.300 to do what was
00:22:14.240 essentially a campaign event
00:22:16.120 with Kamala Harris
00:22:17.640 in Pennsylvania.
00:22:19.060 And he simultaneously
00:22:20.400 did interviews
00:22:22.700 attacking Donald Trump
00:22:25.280 and attacking J.D. Vance.
00:22:26.420 And this is in the middle
00:22:27.260 of the campaign.
00:22:28.320 He was campaigning.
00:22:29.180 And you and I
00:22:30.160 did a podcast at the time
00:22:31.580 and we said,
00:22:32.120 what the hell
00:22:32.800 is this guy thinking?
00:22:34.480 Look,
00:22:34.760 he is ostensibly
00:22:35.960 leading his country
00:22:36.980 there at war.
00:22:37.940 Their most important
00:22:39.500 ally in this war
00:22:40.560 has been the United States
00:22:41.820 of America.
00:22:43.260 And either his instincts
00:22:45.520 or the advisers
00:22:46.520 around him think
00:22:47.640 it's a really good idea
00:22:49.460 to pick a partisan side
00:22:51.240 and go all in
00:22:52.180 and attack the other side.
00:22:54.020 And we both said,
00:22:55.280 listen,
00:22:56.440 if Trump wins,
00:22:57.420 which both of us
00:22:58.120 believed he was going to,
00:22:59.980 Zelensky is going to
00:23:01.100 deeply regret doing so.
00:23:04.180 And what's amazing
00:23:05.380 is he keeps doubling down.
00:23:06.620 I think there's
00:23:07.440 a very good possibility,
00:23:08.940 as I said,
00:23:10.440 that Zelensky
00:23:10.980 does not politically
00:23:11.940 survive this
00:23:12.960 and within days
00:23:14.200 that he's out of office.
00:23:15.880 I also think,
00:23:18.040 look,
00:23:18.300 it's not complicated
00:23:19.240 that President Trump
00:23:20.200 campaigned
00:23:21.160 on ending the war
00:23:22.900 in Ukraine.
00:23:23.540 This was not a mystery.
00:23:24.660 Every voter
00:23:25.280 who went
00:23:26.240 and voted in November
00:23:27.640 understood
00:23:28.340 that if you elect
00:23:29.260 the Democrats,
00:23:30.380 the Ukraine war
00:23:31.280 goes on and on
00:23:32.260 and on and on
00:23:32.920 and we keep pouring
00:23:33.700 billions into it forever.
00:23:34.980 And every voter
00:23:36.220 understood,
00:23:36.920 if you vote
00:23:37.340 for Donald Trump,
00:23:38.240 this war
00:23:38.840 is going to come
00:23:39.860 to an end.
00:23:40.360 Now,
00:23:40.520 I think it is important,
00:23:41.500 this is something
00:23:42.000 I have urged
00:23:43.100 President Trump
00:23:43.820 repeatedly,
00:23:44.420 I think it's important
00:23:45.300 that this war
00:23:46.460 come to an end
00:23:47.400 in a way
00:23:47.940 that is a clear
00:23:48.820 and unmistakable
00:23:49.860 loss for Russia,
00:23:51.280 a loss for Putin.
00:23:53.640 I think Russia
00:23:55.120 losing
00:23:55.980 benefits the
00:23:57.800 national security
00:23:58.660 interests of the
00:23:59.320 United States.
00:24:00.300 Yeah.
00:24:00.460 I gotta say,
00:24:01.080 by the way,
00:24:01.980 Zelensky's performance
00:24:03.260 was so bad
00:24:04.640 that I think
00:24:06.060 it not only
00:24:06.660 harmed his own
00:24:07.320 country,
00:24:07.740 but I think
00:24:08.160 it harmed
00:24:09.180 world peace.
00:24:11.260 And that's,
00:24:12.760 that's,
00:24:13.640 I cannot imagine
00:24:16.020 the plane flight
00:24:17.460 back right now.
00:24:18.560 No,
00:24:18.940 neither can I.
00:24:19.560 Look,
00:24:19.900 you and I,
00:24:20.340 I assume Zelensky's
00:24:21.480 in the air right now
00:24:22.340 flying back.
00:24:23.400 What I don't know.
00:24:25.120 What is he landing to?
00:24:27.060 Are his advisors
00:24:28.280 sitting there
00:24:29.040 blowing smoke at him?
00:24:30.420 Oh,
00:24:30.860 wonderful job,
00:24:31.780 Mr. President.
00:24:32.320 You showed him.
00:24:33.480 It certainly won't
00:24:34.080 be the ambassador
00:24:34.760 because she was
00:24:35.420 like this.
00:24:36.180 I mean,
00:24:36.860 it's,
00:24:38.200 listen,
00:24:39.100 this war needs
00:24:40.120 to end.
00:24:40.880 It needs to end
00:24:41.680 promptly.
00:24:42.380 I believe it is
00:24:43.040 going to end
00:24:43.680 promptly.
00:24:44.120 And as I said,
00:24:45.160 it is important
00:24:45.960 that it end
00:24:47.020 in a way
00:24:47.620 that is a clear
00:24:48.860 discernible loss
00:24:49.860 for Russia.
00:24:50.600 I also think
00:24:51.540 the direction
00:24:52.040 President Trump
00:24:52.780 was going
00:24:53.280 of signing
00:24:53.860 an agreement
00:24:54.440 where the United
00:24:55.460 States gets
00:24:56.140 significant benefits
00:24:57.360 from rare earth
00:24:58.420 minerals in Ukraine,
00:24:59.720 that has a lot
00:25:00.320 of upside to it.
00:25:01.240 but not
00:25:02.640 when they have
00:25:03.180 a world leader
00:25:03.920 coming into the
00:25:04.700 Oval Office
00:25:05.360 telling the President
00:25:06.800 of the United States
00:25:07.540 essentially,
00:25:08.180 screw you.
00:25:08.800 Look,
00:25:09.120 an analogy,
00:25:10.440 if you think about it,
00:25:11.420 there are a lot
00:25:12.020 of small business
00:25:12.620 owners in the room.
00:25:13.740 If your business
00:25:14.880 is in crisis
00:25:15.760 and you're facing
00:25:17.380 a moment
00:25:17.860 where you've got
00:25:18.600 to lay off
00:25:19.400 a thousand employees,
00:25:20.680 you've got to go under,
00:25:21.960 and you go to the bank
00:25:23.560 and you say,
00:25:25.020 I've got to borrow
00:25:26.020 $50 million
00:25:27.260 or my business
00:25:28.480 goes under,
00:25:29.340 and the bank
00:25:30.160 lends you $50 million
00:25:31.520 and you save
00:25:32.740 your business,
00:25:33.340 you don't fire
00:25:34.040 your employees,
00:25:35.400 and then a week later
00:25:36.360 you go to the bank
00:25:37.400 and say,
00:25:38.620 you damn jerk,
00:25:39.440 why didn't you
00:25:39.860 give me more?
00:25:40.760 Like,
00:25:40.960 it is not complicated
00:25:42.520 that if you went
00:25:43.820 to the bank
00:25:44.360 and they gave you
00:25:44.980 the capital
00:25:45.560 you needed
00:25:46.260 to save your business,
00:25:48.440 even the person
00:25:50.280 with the lowest EQ
00:25:51.500 on planet Earth,
00:25:52.620 even the person
00:25:53.360 with no sense
00:25:54.320 of other human beings
00:25:55.420 would say,
00:25:56.460 maybe if someone
00:25:57.420 is providing me
00:25:58.280 the only financial lifeline
00:25:59.880 that is keeping me alive,
00:26:02.340 maybe I have the sense
00:26:03.500 to be nice to them.
00:26:05.580 Zelensky,
00:26:06.180 I just think,
00:26:07.480 you know,
00:26:07.940 he's been in Vanity Fair,
00:26:09.280 he's been on People Magazine,
00:26:10.980 I think he thinks
00:26:12.540 he's Brad Pitt
00:26:14.760 or Taylor Swift,
00:26:16.920 and I'm pretty sure
00:26:19.060 he's not dating
00:26:20.140 Travis Kelce.
00:26:21.760 No.
00:26:21.940 And if he is,
00:26:24.040 I really don't want
00:26:25.000 to know about it.
00:26:25.700 I don't want
00:26:26.220 to know about it.
00:26:27.460 But listen.
00:26:28.880 So let me ask you
00:26:29.640 this moving forward.
00:26:31.140 Final question on this,
00:26:32.200 and I want to do
00:26:32.580 some Q&A, obviously,
00:26:33.840 and that is,
00:26:35.620 you've got a joint session
00:26:36.960 of Congress
00:26:37.580 on Tuesday night.
00:26:39.820 How much are the speechwriters
00:26:41.140 changing what Donald Trump
00:26:42.440 may say to the world?
00:26:44.580 Because you're not
00:26:45.580 just talking to Congress.
00:26:47.040 Will anything change
00:26:48.460 or does he say,
00:26:49.120 I move on?
00:26:49.800 I don't think dramatically.
00:26:51.080 I think almost all
00:26:52.720 of what the president
00:26:53.440 is going to talk about
00:26:54.420 is the domestic agenda.
00:26:55.800 I think what the president
00:26:56.440 is going to talk about
00:26:57.420 on Tuesday night
00:26:58.900 is promises made,
00:27:00.160 promises kept.
00:27:01.380 I will say this,
00:27:02.500 we're 40 days into
00:27:03.580 a new administration.
00:27:05.300 In our lifetimes,
00:27:06.840 there has never been
00:27:07.560 a president who has
00:27:08.440 hit the ground running
00:27:09.400 as fast and furious
00:27:10.900 as this president.
00:27:12.280 It is breathtaking.
00:27:13.580 It is wild right now.
00:27:16.700 Elon Musk is obviously
00:27:18.060 integrally involved.
00:27:19.300 That is driving Democrats
00:27:20.380 and the media crazy.
00:27:21.860 And it's embodying
00:27:23.100 the old Silicon Valley
00:27:24.380 adage of move fast
00:27:25.920 and break things.
00:27:27.120 I think that's what
00:27:27.800 we'll hear Tuesday night
00:27:28.860 is we made promises
00:27:30.120 to secure the border.
00:27:31.300 We're securing the border.
00:27:32.660 We made promises
00:27:33.400 to unleash American energy.
00:27:35.020 We're unleashing
00:27:35.860 American energy.
00:27:36.840 We made promises
00:27:37.800 to unleash the economy
00:27:39.640 and bring back jobs
00:27:40.780 and small businesses.
00:27:41.980 We're doing exactly that.
00:27:43.580 We made promises
00:27:44.660 to make America safer.
00:27:46.500 Hamas has been releasing
00:27:47.620 hostages and I think
00:27:49.020 the president will say
00:27:49.940 we will end the war
00:27:50.980 in Ukraine.
00:27:51.640 But I'll be surprised
00:27:54.240 if the president...
00:27:56.160 It wouldn't surprise me
00:27:56.860 if he doesn't even use
00:27:57.800 the word Zelensky
00:27:58.620 in the speech.
00:28:00.020 I think his approach
00:28:01.840 will be...
00:28:02.940 We want to end it.
00:28:03.640 ...what he said
00:28:04.300 in the Oval Office
00:28:05.200 spoke for itself.
00:28:06.600 But I, for one,
00:28:09.000 am damn glad
00:28:09.880 we have a commander-in-chief
00:28:11.080 with a backbone
00:28:11.880 and that our enemies
00:28:13.220 are afraid of.
00:28:15.200 America's much safer
00:28:16.100 as a result.
00:28:17.600 Amen to that.
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