Western Standard - Alberta’s referendum is very real

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the U.S. Department of State.

00:00:29.980 day and welcome to the Cory Morgan Show. We're coming live today from the floor of the Global

00:00:35.300 Energy Show. This is one of the biggest energy shows on the planet. It happens in Calgary every

00:00:41.580 year. They changed it a few years ago. It used to be the Global Petroleum Show forever. Now they've

00:00:46.680 broadened it into an energy show sort of thing. But I mean, no, it is the same thing. 90% of it's

00:00:53.320 oil and gas. All sorts of alternative energy things here. Things from drones to pump jacks,

00:00:58.500 you name it. There's hundreds of exhibitors, thousands of attendees, and we tend to broadcast

00:01:04.040 from here every year. So yell at me in the comments if I forget to keep the microphone

00:01:08.720 up or down, because I'm not used to that. I've been spoiled by stationary microphones until now,

00:01:14.080 and we make do with a remote broadcast booth. I'm going to be talking to Waleed Tam Tam in a little

00:01:19.380 while. He's my guest today. He's our man in Ontario on Parliament covering those federal

00:01:24.420 issues. Lots of stories coming out of him. Certainly, there's going to be a lot of stuff

00:01:28.100 that could be discussed from what's coming out of there.

00:01:32.120 And other than that, let's get on to what's got me wound up today to start with.

00:01:37.620 So I know, trust me, I know, the referendum question being posed to Albertans on October 19th

00:01:43.360 is a weak dump of word salad.

00:01:45.940 Independent supporters were led down a garden path with what was thought to be a legitimate form

00:01:50.700 of invoking a referendum through a petition, only to have the fruits of all that work stolen from them

00:01:55.980 by a Liberal appointed judge.

00:01:57.280 The question now being placed on the ballot is a non-binding and it's only a question seeking a mandate to ask another question.

00:02:04.660 Premier Smith has gone on a federalist campaign as versiferous as the one Jason Kenney has been on and as laden with misinformation as she claims the transition costs would cost about $400 billion.

00:02:17.340 It feels like all the cards are against the independence movement because it's true.

00:02:21.060 The system and those within it are pulling out all the stops to keep Albertans from having the choice of independence.

00:02:26.100 So why should independent supporters carry on with the campaign in the face of such opposition?

00:02:31.740 Well, why should a campaign for this fall's flaccid question be taken seriously by independent supporters?

00:02:38.540 It's because the opponents to independence are taking it seriously.

00:02:42.100 Federalists and Laurentians see the real risk of the referendum being held,

00:02:45.880 and they're pulling out all the stops to fight it.

00:02:47.580 Even Jean Chrétien was drawn out of his crypt to speak in opposition to Alberta's independence,

00:02:52.660 while Pierre Polyev has decided to spend the summer in Alberta

00:02:55.480 trying to convince Albertans why the status quo is fine.

00:02:58.740 Columnists and premiers are fighting along with each other

00:03:01.600 for the microphone to deride independent supporters in Alberta

00:03:04.800 and to campaign against choice.

00:03:07.220 That's because the establishment knows

00:03:09.020 the referendum presents a threat to its comfortable position. 0.98

00:03:12.720 Laurentian elites might be arrogant and parasitic, 1.00

00:03:15.860 but many of them aren't stupid. 1.00

00:03:17.280 They saw what happened with Brexit 0.96

00:03:18.580 and know that when the electorate is given a choice in the matter,

00:03:21.820 they will often choose to oppose existing institutions.

00:03:25.480 Some independence groups and individuals have taken their foot off the gas,

00:03:29.060 and they're tired and dejected after having four months of petitioning effort trampled on by the courts.

00:03:33.700 It's understandable, but they've got to dust themselves off and get back up now.

00:03:37.880 A strong vote for option two on the question.

00:03:42.380 It keeps my teleprompter from working the second week in a row.

00:03:45.900 Oh, and it's gone.

00:03:47.180 Either way, what I was getting at, let's see, here we go.

00:03:50.420 I'm going to find my way.

00:03:53.200 Okay.

00:03:54.780 Where was I?

00:03:55.700 A strong vote for option two on the question ten in the election keeps the movement alive.

00:04:00.600 A strong vote for option one on the question will put the debate on the shelf for another decade.

00:04:06.240 Albertans can't allow Federalists to put this issue to bed.

00:04:09.720 The months of petitioning in blizzards and holding meetings in town halls and winter nights were not wasted, guys.

00:04:14.640 It doesn't matter if the 301,000 signatures weren't formally counted by Elections Alberta.

00:04:19.480 People will since know they were genuine and they represent a groundswell of support for a real referendum on independence.

00:04:26.580 The months of petitioning helped solidify the movement.

00:04:28.980 Thousands of volunteers networked, bonded and reached hundreds of thousands of Albertans.

00:04:33.600 They built the foundation of what will be the campaign to win the referendum this fall.

00:04:38.100 The petitioning phase was just a warm-up and a trial run for the bigger campaign.

00:04:42.020 The independent movement also has to be a little honest with itself.

00:04:45.580 While the core of dedicated independent supporters within Alberta has never measured so consistently strong as it has,

00:04:51.420 the number hasn't grown really over the last six months.

00:04:54.220 The mushy middle of undecided voters has remained the same, and those fiercely opposed to the concept will never budge.

00:04:59.880 But that's because the campaign to date has been focused on getting signatures rather than selling the concept.

00:05:05.360 Now the path of the campaign becomes clearer.

00:05:07.780 People must be convinced to choose option two, and to be frank, it'll be easier to sell

00:05:11.740 than the binding yes or no question that petitioners had tried to get on the ballot.

00:05:15.120 With a non-binding option, the independent side can pivot a little and gather those who want to send Ottawa a message rather than start the full process of independence.

00:05:23.920 If those people can be moved, a strong option two victory can be won.

00:05:28.220 With that extra time having been bought, independence advocates can continue to work towards a true independence referendum and to convert those soft supporters into full yes voters in the future.

00:05:37.460 Never has there been so much open debate about Alberta's place and the federation.

00:05:40.640 That discussion is going to be raging until October 19th,

00:05:42.940 and if the independent side continues to leave the playing field to their opponents,

00:05:46.880 they will lose all momentum.

00:05:48.620 The path to independence is never going to be a simple one or a straight one,

00:05:51.860 but giving up is not an option.

00:05:53.360 The changing of the question for the referendum hasn't erased the path.

00:05:56.640 It's only added a curve.

00:05:58.020 So the independence movement must navigate that curve

00:06:00.300 and keep moving towards the goal.

00:06:02.680 Quitting isn't an option, and it isn't the Alberta way.

00:06:05.780 And you know what?

00:06:06.300 I want to throw one more thing in, too,

00:06:07.760 because some of the prime campaigners are still obsessed

00:06:10.240 with trying to take Premier Smith out of power.

00:06:12.680 Guys, if you split your movement like that,

00:06:15.000 not only will you not get rid of Premier Smith,

00:06:16.980 but we will lose this referendum.

00:06:18.960 So let's think a little harder on it.

00:06:20.080 We can make a mark here.

00:06:21.380 All right, let's see what else is going on out there

00:06:23.140 and check in with our news editor, Dave Naylor,

00:06:25.140 who avoided being down here on the floor

00:06:27.160 and is hiding out in the Western Standard newsroom.

00:06:28.840 How's it going, Dave?

00:06:29.800 Good. I can't tell you how much I'm missing you.

00:06:32.640 I can imagine.

00:06:34.240 Sounds like you might want to ask Derek for a new teleprompter.

00:06:37.140 that's uh yeah i know and uh you know honestly i mean most of my show i go without but i do need

00:06:43.300 that kind of four minutes for my opening ramble just to stay true to everything i wanted to hit

00:06:46.980 ah well we'll see i'll i'll put it into the budget requests we know that how he usually goes

00:06:50.980 yep yep um so i was listening to a uh a song about you this week a country song about you and

00:06:58.540 paper what the heck was that yeah that was quite something you know and i'm not a country music

00:07:04.520 listener but uh over my whole taber sign battle we know we need not to go into all the details

00:07:10.040 but i put up a billboard as a third party advertiser the town of taber is trying to have it

00:07:13.720 torn down and uh somebody wrote a country song and put it up with an ai video that said uh

00:07:20.280 raise a cob to cory and it was quite funny and and a good little theme song i don't know maybe

00:07:26.440 i'll make it to the starting opening for some of my uh other videos i do on the side but uh

00:07:31.080 there's some pretty talented people out there working with that ai there is i'm sure that's

00:07:34.680 not the first time you've raised the car no no probably not there's a few ways you can interpret

00:07:42.760 that i'm not you can't go there this show gets broadcast on tv later i'll leave that to the

00:07:47.160 viewers so we've had a busy morning cory and it's all sort of surrounding uh what you're down at the

00:07:52.280 global energy show uh uh you had scott mo just speak premier of saskatchewan and he's he's all

00:07:59.320 in on the west coast pipelines as it needs to be done doesn't matter what bc thinks we need it as

00:08:06.280 a to become an energy superpower and we had an interview with heather excellent exner hero you

00:08:14.680 know she's with the mcdonald laurier institute and an expert on coal as you know ty cordlund is

00:08:23.400 going to be handing in his petition today at collections alberta to try and get coal mining

00:08:28.440 stop and uh miss uh miss expert perot says coal has become villainized and uh people really just

00:08:36.760 don't understand the differences between metallurgical coal and other coal and and

00:08:42.600 she says the uh the petition is very ill-informed so that's interesting uh tragedy in northern

00:08:49.960 ontario yesterday where a police officer was murdered looks like he was murdered by an escaped

00:08:55.720 mental patient who had escaped the asylum and uh and killed this poor poor officer so

00:09:03.560 that's uh certainly unavoidable tragedy isn't it corey and uh more on the terrible scenes in

00:09:11.000 belfast where a sudanese migrant attempted to behead a local resident in the middle of the

00:09:18.440 the road literally sawing through his neck to try and chop his head off all sorts of writing last

00:09:25.000 night houses were burned uh uh buses were set alight some uh some video of uh police officers

00:09:33.880 getting a migrant family out of a burning building just the look of terror on the kids face just

00:09:40.040 just awful stuff uh we got a story on the rcmp you're warning bc parents

00:09:45.800 that there's a gang out there trying to lure kids in as young as eight and these are extremist

00:09:52.760 gangs and you know they're they're getting children to do all sorts all sorts of horrible

00:09:58.360 things and the final thing i'll mention is a new study out by second street organization that shows

00:10:05.240 bc and alberta combined have lost almost 300 million dollars in unpaid foreign visitor health

00:10:13.000 care this is somebody going into a hospital they need their something they need a appendix out or

00:10:20.040 something like that and they have no insurance so the operation gets done they get billed and

00:10:25.640 they're never seen again so you're in a million dollars a lot of money a lot of uh

00:10:29.560 hip replacement surgeries cory well they see us as an easy mark meanwhile canadians playing by

00:10:34.920 the rules die on waiting lists uh it's it's a frustrating thing i'm just wondering though i

00:10:39.720 mean scott moe's been here i think last year even the premier in new brunswick came out

00:10:43.480 uh premier smith of course is going to speak here or if she hasn't already

00:10:47.420 Any sign of David Eby?

00:10:48.740 Is he touching this energy conference at all?

00:10:50.980 I haven't heard anything about him.

00:10:52.480 Yeah, he's not touching it with a 10-foot pole.

00:10:56.740 We're pretty close to the deadline of July 1st

00:11:00.500 when this whole pipeline deal is supposed to be submitted.

00:11:04.820 And Eby was saying yesterday he hasn't talked to anybody about it.

00:11:08.060 He's being kept in the dark, and that's probably the best place for him.

00:11:13.440 Okay, well, we'll see what happens with things.

00:11:15.960 that we've got a new conservative leader to try and take him on.

00:11:18.640 So I'll leave you back to that nice, quiet newsroom,

00:11:21.280 and I'll get on with the broadcast.

00:11:22.680 I appreciate the updates.

00:11:23.960 As you said, lots going on, and I guess I'll see you in person next week.

00:11:28.120 Yeah, and you've got all my staff down there.

00:11:30.420 If you could tell them to get back to work, lunch is over.

00:11:33.960 Yeah, you bet.

00:11:35.140 They seem to be on an extended social break here.

00:11:37.760 There you go.

00:11:38.340 All right.

00:11:38.760 Take care, Corey.

00:11:39.260 Thanks, Dave.

00:11:40.020 All right.

00:11:40.800 That is our news editor, Dave Naylor.

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00:12:08.780 Yeah, you know, it's interesting with that coal mining petition,

00:12:12.260 You know, that's democracy. Everybody's allowed to put it up, but it is a misguided initiative.

00:12:21.020 But the other thing is, as others pointed out, the First Nations chiefs didn't demand consultation before Tai Lund did that petition.

00:12:27.980 And, you know, I don't believe in two wrongs making a right.

00:12:29.700 Hey, he got it through, he followed the rules, and the activists among the chiefs didn't manage to stop it.

00:12:35.320 But there really is a large double standard when it comes to things that are allowed and are not allowed.

00:12:43.140 And likewise, I'm certain there's a number of benefits for First Nations people that could be coming from mining and such too.

00:12:49.700 People don't understand that.

00:12:51.600 As Dave was mentioning before too, you know, there's metallurgic coal.

00:12:54.520 There's coal that's used for a whole lot of things.

00:12:56.440 And that hypocrisy of David Eby not coming here to the energy show, because energy covers a lot of things.

00:13:03.460 B.C. is a massive coal mining and exporting jurisdiction.

00:13:08.940 Yeah, the green B.C., yet Albertans are always the bad guys, right?

00:13:13.260 Well, E.B., come here and talk to us about that.

00:13:15.320 Why are you blocking a pipeline while you're exporting coal?

00:13:17.900 What is your priorities there?

00:13:19.060 I wouldn't mind seeing Eeyore here with that sad, drawn-out face and those jowls hanging down

00:13:23.840 to try and explain why he's trying to shut down projects in a country that is now technically in a recession.

00:13:30.880 But he doesn't have that kind of courage. Why?

00:13:32.940 Well, because he's NDP, for starters, it's interesting how these things go.

00:13:40.260 But Nicklin, a 1961 commenter saying,

00:13:44.040 modern coal-fired power plants produce liquid fuels and electricity.

00:13:47.240 Yes, and they're used for making steel and coke and many other things besides just burning for energy.

00:13:54.480 I mean, people, it's not necessarily the best form of energy, but it's plentiful, it's affordable,

00:13:58.460 and it's good for the economy so we can transition to better things like natural gas.

00:14:01.840 and other lower emission things.

00:14:04.660 But no, the hypocrisy is all over.

00:14:06.640 We'll see if that goes to a referenda

00:14:11.140 and if the process works for somebody with it

00:14:14.820 to get their original question on the ballot

00:14:16.480 because it hasn't worked for anybody yet.

00:14:18.960 Thomas Lukasik's question didn't exactly go on the ballot

00:14:21.780 the way he wanted it to

00:14:23.780 and the independence question certainly never made it to the ballot

00:14:27.560 the way that Stay Free Alberta wanted to.

00:14:29.800 we'll see what happens to Mr. Lund's initiative because it really in the end is actually up to

00:14:35.240 the provincial government not the petitioners themselves when the ballot is put but it's

00:14:41.440 interesting I'm glad to see people using the system that's what it's there for all right let's

00:14:44.720 bring in Waleed Tam Tam I've been looking forward to this he's been our man in Ottawa and covering

00:14:49.320 things in the east and he's been very prolific and covering a lot of stories so I'm happy to

00:14:54.960 welcome him to the show for the first time to have a conversation and see what he's been up to

00:14:59.780 and covering out there so uh hi wally welcome to the show um okay just a moment we just don't have

00:15:07.580 any sound quite from you yet sorry nice to be here thank you so much for inviting me cory

00:15:12.820 great no i i like i said it was overdue and uh we're glad we've had you on there you've been

00:15:18.500 doing great stuff out there covering so much i i don't know where to begin i thought i'd just go

00:15:23.660 to the first story on the top of the scroll you posted it pretty recently uh liberals are clashing 0.98

00:15:28.940 with Conservatives over the definition of a woman question

00:15:32.020 with Canada's top scientist.

00:15:34.180 What on earth is going on there?

00:15:35.480 Why is this a controversial discussion?

00:15:39.160 Well, the Conservative MP, Vince Neil Ho,

00:15:42.280 made that question on a committee.

00:15:45.300 And as he was trying to ask the question to the witness at hand,

00:15:48.140 who is a doctor, I might add,

00:15:51.260 Liberal MPs were really much frustrated with the fact

00:15:53.740 that he was asking that question in the first place

00:15:55.620 and tried to shut down that whole discussion.

00:15:57.420 It wasn't until the third attempt that he actually got an answer, and the doctor reaffirmed the basic biology in that matter.

00:16:04.760 But it seems to be that even after that committee, this is a raging discussion with liberals,

00:16:09.660 and they're really much focused on the emphasis that, you know, we're in Pride Month now.

00:16:13.220 Yesterday, Mark Carney, of course, had the flag-raising ceremony.

00:16:17.080 Conservative members also were present at the ceremony as well. 0.57

00:16:19.940 So it seems to be kind of a Pride Month-focused emphasis-defense and attack method

00:16:24.760 against that entire question, the entire notion of gender ideology

00:16:28.620 not being allowed to be criticized at this time.

00:16:32.260 So, I mean, it's just kind of odd.

00:16:35.080 I guess it was kind of a trap question, though,

00:16:37.260 because, you know, with political correctness,

00:16:39.220 even doctors are afraid to state the obvious,

00:16:41.800 to just state the scientific truth.

00:16:43.040 It doesn't mean you're taking a side on the issue, perhaps,

00:16:45.840 of sexual identity and rights as such,

00:16:48.800 just to be able to outright say as a doctor this is what constitutes a man and what constitutes a

00:16:53.800 woman and now it's turned into an ongoing debate. It's just kind of bizarre. I guess Canada's not

00:16:57.720 alone with that though. Well Corey I'll tell you the truth is you know to be fair this was not the

00:17:02.940 topic at hand of the committee. It was probably far reaching from the Conservative MP but overall

00:17:08.080 after the fact that the question was given and there's a clip now on social media that's going

00:17:12.380 viral the reaction seemed to be that Conservatives, Andrew Scheer himself a prolific MP, are getting

00:17:17.740 onto the train on this issue.

00:17:21.520 They're trying to reach out to the public and remind them

00:17:23.580 that they're combating social issues and the culture war

00:17:26.740 even after that they've been a little quiet for a little while now.

00:17:30.580 As you know, Pierre Polyev took some stances recently

00:17:32.640 at some events in BC, but it seems that the Conservatives

00:17:35.440 are willing not to be muted altogether all the time

00:17:38.520 on such issues, so it's an interesting thing to see,

00:17:41.060 especially, again, during Pride Month.

00:17:44.200 Yeah, so while getting on to some of the other fun going on,

00:17:47.640 and sensitive areas.

00:17:49.200 I see you wrote,

00:17:50.060 there was a Liberal member of Parliament

00:17:51.340 who's proposing a Somali Heritage Month in Canada.

00:17:54.240 I guess not harmful in itself,

00:17:56.240 but I mean, how significant is the Somali population

00:17:59.800 within Canada?

00:18:00.520 There's a fair number of them.

00:18:02.440 And do these warrant a whole month? 0.91

00:18:04.380 I mean, we've got Pride Month,

00:18:05.620 we've got Somali Month.

00:18:06.740 We can only cover so many things for solid months.

00:18:08.920 I mean, I understand giving recognition for days

00:18:10.800 and things, but where is this coming from?

00:18:14.440 Well, this came from the Etobicoke Centre Liberal MP,

00:18:16.920 Yvonne Baker who I spoke to earlier this morning in the caucus pre-media scrum and he told me and

00:18:23.400 by the way Corey he has proposed three private members bill in this session and all three have

00:18:30.340 to do with the Heritage Month now himself he's of Ukrainian descent so he proposed the Ukrainian

00:18:35.700 Heritage Month an Albanian Heritage Month and then a Somali Heritage Month and when I asked him a

00:18:41.160 question he gave me a very expensive answer that I mean this is some of the makeup in his community

00:18:45.180 And I specifically wanted to refer to the Somalis since, as you know, Corey, there's been over 1.5 million people last time I checked earlier this morning that have viewed that video on X, the clip of him standing in the house introducing it.

00:18:58.000 You know, very, very simple, straightforward private members bill that usually doesn't get this attention.

00:19:02.180 I think it's very much clear that the Minnesota-Somali story is flooding into the Canadian media landscape on this particular topic because, of course, there has been that history with certain elements within the Somali diaspora in the United States.

00:19:15.820 but more specific to his answer that he told me is that he believes regardless of the proportion

00:19:21.000 which Somalis I think about one point or 0.18 0.2 percent of the Canadian population obviously

00:19:28.220 very small and marginal but he's talking about the fact that regardless of the proportion they

00:19:32.020 make impact so with that logic in mind I'm very curious to have a follow-up with him and see

00:19:36.740 exactly how far you want to go well if Albanians and Somalis who again they're a community and

00:19:41.360 exist. I think there's quite

00:19:43.260 a larger number now out there in Edmonton where

00:19:45.420 it's a little closer to you in Alberta.

00:19:48.560 I think it's

00:19:49.300 if that's the bar, then a lot

00:19:51.540 more communities can be pushing forward for

00:19:53.500 similar kinds of recognitions in the House of Commons

00:19:55.420 and at some point you're looking at

00:19:57.220 almost every nation under the sun.

00:20:00.360 Well, that's it. I mean

00:20:01.500 Canada's a nation, you know, built on

00:20:03.240 immigration and we've got people from every country

00:20:05.500 on the planet here and we

00:20:07.240 encourage, and that's fine, the celebration of the

00:20:09.420 past cultures and things like that, but it's often a

00:20:11.340 municipal initiative or an initiative from the cultural community itself if we get the house

00:20:16.740 of commons starting to pick and choose a month for each and every one as i said we only have 12

00:20:21.320 months we're gonna have a lot of overlap i mean it leads to i think maybe people just kind of

00:20:24.980 ignoring the community altogether and having the opposite effect of what they want to do in the

00:20:28.400 first place well cory i know ottawa i grew up here and i've been around in the local cycle for a

00:20:34.020 little while now only two months at the western center uh but of course every day something else

00:20:38.260 is happening i think the tradition is this if you have a heritage month recognized by the house of

00:20:43.380 commons now you get events you get commentary you get specific community or diaspora community

00:20:49.700 focused recognition and even face time with politicians on the hill or elsewhere when you

00:20:55.140 have something like this officialized so i don't think this is giving one month off to every

00:20:58.420 community you can give one month to five or six different communities i mean you have pride month

00:21:03.700 For the LGBTQ community, you have obviously other national and diaspora groups that exist in Canada.

00:21:09.460 So one group doesn't necessarily take away from the other.

00:21:13.060 I think it's probably impossible for most people to track.

00:21:15.420 But ultimately, I think it's a bigger question of trying to set in stone a party year where this individual politician or this governing caucus, opposition caucus, whoever, will host events related to this diaspora community.

00:21:28.720 So I guess that's kind of what the strategy is for Yoman Baker, who has a substantial Somali community in his area and surrounding areas in his riding.

00:21:36.080 So I guess July might be the opportunity to be down the line.

00:21:38.720 Of course, it's Canada Day, how it kicks off every year, typically.

00:21:42.480 But I guess he'll be having some events should this private member's bill be passed and July be recognized as Somali Heritage Month, along with probably other communities.

00:21:53.420 Well, I guess, as you said, that's the nature of politics.

00:21:55.980 There's always lots on the go in Ottawa.

00:21:57.780 Well, I mean, same thing out here.

00:21:58.760 We have a Conservative Member of Parliament in an area of Calgary that's got a strong Chinese population.

00:22:03.420 They're going to make sure that they're always speaking up for that population,

00:22:06.460 if only, I would hope, for good reason, but also just for their own political health and their own constituency.

00:22:14.420 So being in Ottawa, as you said, it's a busy area, a lot's happening.

00:22:17.060 What kind of stories are you working on right now?

00:22:18.720 What's coming up and what can we look forward to from you?

00:22:21.160 Well, at 4 p.m. Eastern time, which I believe should be 2 p.m. your time,

00:22:25.020 I believe Minister Mark Miller, who's heading the culture and heritage portfolio, will be introducing the government's bill to ban children or 16 years and younger users from using social media platforms without consent or without parental involvement.

00:22:42.880 We don't know exactly what we're looking at right now.

00:22:44.760 So I'm not going to give you too much details besides the fact that I'm going to be pressing forward for more details as soon as we get any announcements.

00:22:50.200 because there seems to be a bit of a cross-partisan interest in the idea of protecting children online.

00:22:55.560 It's been part of the rhetoric in Ottawa for months now,

00:22:58.240 especially with AI and the takeover of social media in Canadian society.

00:23:03.400 But I think what's most interesting is the how,

00:23:06.060 which is the delivery method of, first of all, verifying people's age,

00:23:09.260 which requires verifying identity as well,

00:23:11.460 and the privacy concerns and the methodology concerns around that.

00:23:15.600 So I'm going to be looking very close to exactly what it is.

00:23:17.880 Australia, Brazil, a few other countries have studied that have done things that are similar in nature

00:23:22.160 but typically it involves a lot of private sector responsibility

00:23:25.100 before the government even gets involved in some ways

00:23:27.580 where you have a company like for example Facebook or any website for example

00:23:32.020 running a business where they might have children involved

00:23:35.180 even though they have content for example like explicit sexual material

00:23:38.700 that is available and ready on their website

00:23:40.700 they might hire a third party to then offer software to verify people's age

00:23:46.440 I know Discord, a very popular video game chat site and platform, uses AI to actually look at people's faces in real time with their camera.

00:23:56.160 I know it sounds a little freaky for some of our folks, but I think it's an effective method that some companies are adopting.

00:24:02.120 So I guess the government's going to be pushing on the companies to do that.

00:24:05.200 Otherwise, they might take control or they might perhaps issue some sort of other methods to deter kids from having access to those platforms.

00:24:14.080 yeah so it could turn into one of those things i would hope you can get more clarity you know

00:24:20.080 there's lots of good intentions perhaps but the enforceability and the viability of making this

00:24:24.960 actually work i mean we know kids are creative they're smart they're usually better on the

00:24:28.480 electronics than we are i think australia has already been discovering a bit of that with

00:24:32.480 their dipping into this that they're having trouble finding a way to actually keep the

00:24:36.720 kids from finding bypasses as you said through ai vpns and in all sorts of ways it might be just

00:24:42.080 long game of whack-a-mole well look the g7 is happening soon i guess my my possible future

00:24:49.840 look forward to this bill is perhaps mark carney takes this off to france where he'll be meeting

00:24:55.520 other g7 leaders and be pushing for some international cooperation specifically with

00:24:58.880 european nations given the fact they represent a pretty significant block of uh you know online

00:25:03.280 companies online businesses and have a little bit of parallel policy on a number of other issues in

00:25:08.240 the same market space so i guess what i'm thinking is maybe that might be a bit more international

00:25:13.040 push uh from other countries around the same time as canada perhaps canada being one of the countries

00:25:18.800 taking the lead on this file right now uh again for the rhetoric portion is the conversation on

00:25:25.200 online harm is a major conversation through multiple pieces of legislation including you

00:25:30.240 know the banning and criminalization of defig ais when we're using real pictures of real people

00:25:35.440 But that's the source of what we consider on the political level, the heart.

00:25:38.880 What this bill today is really just focused on, for now, from what I heard, the access at the social media platform level for those that are 16 and under.

00:25:50.860 So I guess we're looking at Facebook, Meta, even Twitter, all these platforms to have a response mechanism that can allow them to continue their operation in Canada

00:26:01.420 while also ensuring that you don't have unrestricted access at the very least because as you know i

00:26:07.020 mean we all use social media you access all kinds of material unfortunately there seems to be a spike

00:26:12.860 in sexually explicit material banks in part by ai but also in part by the fact that the uh adult

00:26:19.020 film industry uses social media to promote their content that individuals uh who are involved in

00:26:23.420 the industry on a personal uh side are also using these platforms so my real question angle that i

00:26:29.100 I want to take forward to Minister Mark Miller and his colleagues is how far you want to go

00:26:33.340 because if the harm is the real concern here, the harm is platformed by social media. It's

00:26:38.280 accessible on a wide scale on social media, but it isn't the source. Instagram doesn't produce

00:26:43.340 the pornography or the explicit materials or the violence and the gore or whatever else we don't

00:26:48.420 want children to be looking at. Other websites have that. We have gore sites, sock sites, and of

00:26:54.660 course, we all know that there's these 18 plus buttons you got to click when you want to open

00:26:57.960 these websites, but I think that there might be a room for area of a greater conversation on the

00:27:02.600 public policy frontier as to how governments can actually restrict that kind of access. Because

00:27:07.660 the real thing that has changed, Corey, in today's society is that we have all these taboo material

00:27:12.780 and media out there in multimedia formats, but they're all much more accessible than ever before.

00:27:18.760 It is so easy to see these things online, and I think there is a reasonable conversation across

00:27:23.140 the partisan aisles about how the government can combat this.

00:27:26.300 But ultimately, it will come later today.

00:27:29.820 Yeah, and there'll be real concerns with it.

00:27:32.060 I'm wondering, though, have the social media giants reacted at all?

00:27:34.580 Because it does sound like the onus of enforcement, perhaps,

00:27:37.580 and being gatekeepers is going to land on them,

00:27:40.320 which I think sort of makes sense.

00:27:42.200 But that would be quite a large venture and a large change to their platforms

00:27:45.220 to make some sort of effective gateway to try and reduce the amount of miners

00:27:48.720 getting onto their platforms.

00:27:49.940 Have they spoken up at all about this yet?

00:27:51.580 I don't expect them. I mean, typically, we've covered this before at the Western Standard that social media companies have oftentimes openly criticized directly government policies. But typically that only happens once the legislation has been tabled in the House of Commons. Once there's a text of a bill, once there's certain languages and provisions that can actually be read before the reactions are issued by the relevant platforms that will be affected.

00:28:14.420 So there have not been any that I know of reports of any statements made by these companies who would be affected.

00:28:21.400 No, not yet.

00:28:22.820 Great.

00:28:23.400 Well, I'm looking forward to hearing the answers that Minister Miller offers you when you get to get them to the question there when you're up there.

00:28:29.960 The time went fast, and it was easy because you've written so many stories.

00:28:32.840 You've been great and prolific there on the Western Standard in your short time with us.

00:28:36.280 It's been fantastic.

00:28:37.600 Before I let you go, is there anything else you'd like to point our readers toward to make sure to follow what stories you're going to be working on?

00:28:44.280 Well, I mean, also from today,

00:28:45.980 this is probably the biggest story I've covered today

00:28:47.740 in terms of the amount of time I've spent on the ground.

00:28:50.700 On the Parliament Hill, we had a couple hundred protesters

00:28:53.240 with conservative politicians protesting the Altour project.

00:28:57.220 That's the high-speed rail transit project between Quebec City,

00:29:02.580 connecting Ottawa, connecting Montreal,

00:29:04.420 essentially connecting a very small part of the country,

00:29:06.240 geographically speaking, a very small part of the population

00:29:08.360 that would actually be benefiting from this at a tune of $90 billion.

00:29:11.160 dollars of course all told there's also concerns with the corporation's connections with the family

00:29:16.200 of minister champagne we've heard this rhetoric at least come from the conservatives for now

00:29:21.160 i didn't have any chance to speak to any government members on this issue today but i've talked to

00:29:26.200 protesters it seems like a lot of people are concerned about the project uh you know blowing

00:29:29.800 through 90 billion or more dollars typically speaking uh these projects can also fluctuate

00:29:34.920 in their cost over time i know very well personally as an ottawa resident that the lrt project which

00:29:40.280 is much much smaller scale project has you know delayed itself has cost more and there's always

00:29:47.080 going to be concerns from public um because you know taxpayers are the one be footing a deal if

00:29:52.920 it's too big and of course the real question here but also is how many people are really going to

00:29:57.320 be benefiting from a higher speed transit that can maybe save you one hour at most cases or maybe two

00:30:04.920 if you're taking the full lane um in terms of a trip on that part of the country and of course

00:30:09.800 the whole nation is going to be footing the cost so and this might be again i mean cory you know

00:30:14.280 very well western alienation is happening at uh you know higher proportion than ever before and

00:30:18.920 i think uh this could be one issues that plays into that rhetorical conversation at the uh at

00:30:24.680 the federal level actually so uh it's still very early on uh even if this project is approved at

00:30:30.280 every stage there's decades before we'll actually see this um infrastructure in operation but

00:30:36.280 ultimately it's something that many people are concerned about and I'll ask our viewers to stay

00:30:40.680 tuned for that video report coming out tomorrow. Great well thank you very much for coming on to

00:30:46.260 talk about these stories today Walid as I said it was overdue I'm happy we've had you on I'm certain

00:30:51.180 we'll be talking again soon and thank you for covering things on so many of those important

00:30:55.880 issues from Ottawa for us out here in Alberta we sometimes forget where the center of power is

00:30:59.780 or maybe we try to but it's important to cover all of that and you've been doing a fantastic job so

00:31:04.460 So thanks again. Good to meet you online, and I'm certain we'll talk again soon.

00:31:08.180 Thank you so much, Corey. I'll see you soon.

00:31:10.700 Great, thanks.

00:31:12.100 So, yeah, folks, as you can see, yes, and Waleed's been doing a great job.

00:31:15.060 You know, we cover things, we're the Western Standard,

00:31:17.220 but we still cover, of course, national issues,

00:31:19.400 and having somebody on the ground there, he's been great at those scrums,

00:31:22.340 getting those direct answers from Cabinet Ministers at those conferences.

00:31:26.120 You need that presence, because Legacy Media,

00:31:28.700 they can be pretty selective about which stories they might want to get into

00:31:32.160 or which questions they might ask and which they won't.

00:31:34.620 And Waleed's been excellent in just asking good to the point questions

00:31:38.480 and getting good answers and writing great copy and stories for us.

00:31:42.880 So, yes, I'm thrilled he came on to talk with us.

00:31:46.040 You know, it's interesting with that Internet regulation bill,

00:31:51.280 like where they're going with it.

00:31:53.900 I'm mixed on it. I really am.

00:31:55.120 I mean, we can all see the dangers of, you know,

00:31:59.180 those of us who participate in social media,

00:32:00.920 We can see that parts of it are awful.

00:32:03.020 Some really horrible people lurk on social media.

00:32:06.180 Some people reach out and try to victimize others on social media.

00:32:09.620 Or some are just putting up content that just, you know, isn't healthy to get in front of the eyes of kids.

00:32:14.720 I mean, they really shouldn't be exposed to some of that at a young age.

00:32:17.940 They aren't developed enough or mature enough to process it.

00:32:20.700 And it can certainly come with, you know, mental health consequences down the road.

00:32:26.400 But, and there's always the big but,

00:32:28.120 how do you effectively enforce it right these kids have already been on there quite a bit

00:32:34.100 they're already entrenched and they're going to find ways around i mean i grew up in the 70s 80s

00:32:40.420 even as kids then there was limited access to the main thing back then it was physical

00:32:45.360 adult magazines that be around you know hustler and so on things like that somehow we would always

00:32:51.780 get our hands on them i mean the stores were gatekeepers it was illegal to sell that sort

00:32:55.160 of matter to kids, but there'd be one found in a garbage or one taken from some kid's

00:33:00.340 father or whatever. The kids would get a hold of it and you still get to see that content

00:33:04.760 that's going on in there. So how do you stop it from getting in their hands? And as I said,

00:33:10.040 getting your first education on sexuality from adult magazines or later with the incredible

00:33:17.040 amount of horrific porn that's available on the internet is not good for kids, but how

00:33:22.520 do we stop it i i i think back to uh a south park episode one of the early ones i think when the

00:33:27.880 kids you know when the cartoons were scrolling through and they went to some adult site and then

00:33:32.340 the question popped up said are you over 18 years of age or not the kid looks at it and just clicks

00:33:36.500 yes and then off he goes that's the extent of it but how how do you manage it we'll see we'll see

00:33:43.220 what comes out of ottawa i said while he's while he's gonna ask questions on that and maybe we'll

00:33:48.860 you know maybe the government will get something a little bit right but when they start with big

00:33:53.240 encompassing legislation unfortunately it also can often turn into a terrible mess i mean what

00:33:59.060 i'd like to see more strongly perhaps is more efforts i don't like seeing the kids exposed to

00:34:03.720 bad stuff but i'm really worried about the predators they really like getting to young

00:34:08.460 people using social media as a tool as a way to reach them those monsters and uh how can we get

00:34:15.960 to them. Is there more law enforcement ways, more ways to track them, find them in their basements

00:34:19.820 in their homes, wherever these perverts are coming from, and get them, catch them, not just

00:34:24.320 trying to block the kids from access. I don't know. All right, speaking of monsters, some people

00:34:30.460 who might have seen the video or seen the pictures of over in Belfast, Dave Naylor mentioned it. So

00:34:35.940 there was a beheading attempt. It was awful. This guy kneeling over a man with a knife and just

00:34:42.180 basically turned this poor man's face into hamburger the man survived but he's grievously

00:34:46.320 injured lost an eye uh you know and i can't imagine the the the terror and trauma but it's

00:34:53.120 also an aspect of a not much bigger issue so this man was of course uh turns out to be an asylum

00:35:01.380 seeker from north africa i think sudan and it led now to riots and burnings and things throughout

00:35:10.060 Belfast area, and the Irish up in Northern Ireland, you know, they're, we want to talk about

00:35:16.100 social disruption, they're well practiced in it from past years. And the innocent victims are 1.00

00:35:22.540 going to get caught up in this. That's the worry. It's true. You know, when you get mobs in the

00:35:27.840 streets, you get vigilantes. They don't judge between somebody who's caused a problem or

00:35:32.220 somebody who didn't. They can't tell the difference between an immigrant who's might 1.00

00:35:37.320 have been there for two or three generations all they might see is the skin color and they get 0.99

00:35:41.740 caught in the middle but this is a consequence of cowardly federal governments allowing mass 1.00

00:35:48.260 immigration particularly from countries like Sudan where let's face it they practice medieval 0.71

00:35:55.140 social standards and they've overloaded nations with this then they got issues with grooming gangs 0.99

00:36:01.420 rape gangs, beheadings, terrorist acts, let's quit pretending that these sorts of problems

00:36:09.740 come from every part of the world. There's only certain ones that are really the flashpoints that

00:36:13.320 are the main source of that. Doesn't mean we stopped bringing people in whatsoever from those

00:36:17.740 countries, but mass immigration from them has caused massive problems. And how much are you

00:36:23.320 going to fault? Because of course you see the Prime Minister of England going on and lecturing

00:36:26.940 the people in Belfast and you see people coming down on social media posts and other protests

00:36:32.580 calling them racists and everything else. It's not helping you guys. The problem is real. The

00:36:36.460 people on the ground know it. They understand it. And they're going to push back and it's going to

00:36:42.340 get worse. It's going to get much more violent. And innocent people are going to be caught up in

00:36:46.940 that violence. And I think it might be too far to stop a lot of it. But you can at least stop

00:36:53.400 adding to it cut the mass immigration it must stop and what we're seeing there is only a 0.99

00:37:01.280 precursor of what we're going to see over here eventually you can't absorb too many people 0.99

00:37:08.580 from those particular cultures without there being repercussions from the overload of the

00:37:14.120 people from the medieval cultures and the people living here even new Canadians from more civilized 0.80

00:37:19.140 cultures who just do not want to see that sort of thing overwhelming the streets. I mean we've got

00:37:23.560 Paris with no-go zones in there where people just cannot be seen walking in there. It's too

00:37:28.760 dangerous. Whole parts of one of the most historic and major cities in the world. Got to get real on

00:37:34.900 addressing this because as I said when you end up leaving it to the citizenry, when you leave it to

00:37:39.060 mob rule, when you leave it to a reactive population, it's going to be ugly. It's going to

00:37:45.320 be indiscriminate and I you know people say it's discrimination yeah but it's going to be

00:37:49.680 indiscriminate in their discrimination and some innocent people are going to suffer very badly

00:37:54.660 don't lecture the people on the ground who are concerned about what's happening these political 0.68

00:37:59.620 leadership is only inflaming them further address the issue put a cork in the mass immigration

00:38:05.780 bubble and then start working on dealing with the culture cultural problems we've got as a

00:38:11.320 consequence of this. It's been going on for a decade. But it was just horrible, just horrible

00:38:16.160 with this poor man. And, you know, when is it going to stop? I don't know. But I mean, if it

00:38:22.200 has to stop with riots, that's really a terrible way to go. Let's see a little more from the

00:38:27.080 energy show here. I'm on the floor from it, as Dave was mentioning, too, with the news check-in.

00:38:31.980 Provincial leaders are here. Every energy company leader is here. And something interesting was the

00:38:37.080 head of Synovus who just blasted the Canadian government again you know it's one of the biggest

00:38:41.960 companies in Canada with the oil sands and basically saying Canada's not worth investing in

00:38:47.080 the the all of this talk all these MOUs all of this major project offices all of this baloney

00:38:52.480 and it is baloney is not going anywhere it's dragging things out because we still regulate

00:38:58.060 our industry to death you know where's Carney I mean I know the federal minister came here and

00:39:03.820 talked about how oil and gas was so integral and everything he did speak I think it's Wilkins

00:39:07.060 But it doesn't matter if you guys put a brick wall in front of pipeline development.

00:39:12.060 It's just a bunch of lies. They know exactly what they must do.

00:39:17.060 If they really want the private proponents, that was one of the men.

00:39:19.060 The head of Synovus is the private proponent saying,

00:39:21.060 we're not going to do it because Canada is not worth doing business in.

00:39:24.060 Carney, the financial genius who's led us into a recession now, knows damn well,

00:39:30.060 no private investor is going to invest in a pipeline that goes to a dead end. 0.89

00:39:35.440 You've given Indigenous veto powers that don't exist to Indigenous activists.

00:39:40.680 You've allowed David Eby to get a veto power that doesn't exist in the Constitution.

00:39:44.600 He's kept a tanker ban in.

00:39:46.320 Again, why would you spend a few billion dollars to move product to a spot you're not allowed to ship it out from?

00:39:51.560 It's like saying you can open up a store, but we're going to put an iron door in front of it and not let customers in.

00:39:56.740 Of course, there isn't a private proponent.

00:39:58.640 Carney could say it in a minute.

00:40:00.060 He could change the tone in a minute, and he knows it.

00:40:02.740 He could do a speech and say, that's it.

00:40:04.120 It's in the national interest, we're lifting the tanker ban, we're getting rid of the anti-pipeline bill,

00:40:10.380 we're going to tell the Indigenous bans that we're going to consult, but it's going through whether you like it or not.

00:40:17.340 That, and only that, will lead to proponents, and Carney knows this.

00:40:22.440 So if Carney won't say it, it means he's never doing the pipeline. Never.

00:40:26.680 And Premier Smith's got a quick kiss on his ass. It's enough. 1.00

00:40:30.400 I understand she shouldn't walk into a room negotiating and give the finger.

00:40:34.580 That's not going to work.

00:40:35.440 You start by trying to be reasonable.

00:40:37.860 You start by trying to negotiate.

00:40:39.540 But now it's enough.

00:40:40.820 They've been stringing her along for over a year now and nothing's getting accomplished.

00:40:44.000 We've got a carbon tax for our troubles.

00:40:45.740 Oh, you lifted the emissions cap.

00:40:47.440 Good.

00:40:47.940 Okay.

00:40:48.460 And why do we have to even negotiate on that?

00:40:50.580 It was crippling the whole country.

00:40:52.360 I'm glad it's lifted.

00:40:53.220 But it still doesn't solve the key issues that we're sitting on and he's stringing us along.

00:40:58.040 And that's part of why there's an independence movement blossoming out here.

00:41:01.940 Because people realize that this country is disingenuous.

00:41:04.880 The leadership doesn't care about our interests.

00:41:07.100 They're ideologically as driven as the Trudeau government was, the lost years of Trudeau.

00:41:11.340 The government that drove away a trillion dollars in investment, according to RBC, over 700 billion of, was from energy.

00:41:22.420 Carney is just a different face.

00:41:24.640 But he's doing the same thing.

00:41:26.260 Nothing else is moving ahead.

00:41:27.340 We shouldn't have to negotiate to get these things done.

00:41:30.700 This is our right and ability as a province.

00:41:35.920 There's no reason to be stopping.

00:41:37.840 It's humiliating, to be blunt.

00:41:40.820 Something else Carney could be working on, I see.

00:41:43.120 And there's one of the areas I don't envy him for, I've got to admit.

00:41:47.080 Apparently, President Donald Trump came out today basically saying,

00:41:50.040 I'm not looking to renew the Canada-U.S.-Mexico agreement.

00:41:54.000 and he says, we don't need anything that Canada or Mexico has.

00:41:58.820 I don't know what it takes to negotiate with Trump.

00:42:03.120 It would be a difficult task for any prime minister to try and reason with him.

00:42:07.520 But either way, as frustrating as it might be, you have to, Carney.

00:42:12.680 We've shown that Carney isn't an economic wizard,

00:42:15.440 despite what they try to frame him as. 1.00

00:42:16.600 He seems to be an economic imbecile. 1.00

00:42:18.320 Our budgets are getting blown. 1.00

00:42:19.720 Our deficit is huge.

00:42:21.000 Our debt is growing.

00:42:21.920 our payments on interest are growing, inflation is rising, we're in a recession.

00:42:26.260 Yes, thank you, Central Canada, you elected the economic wizard.

00:42:30.000 So far, he's been doing a brilliant job.

00:42:32.400 But part of that also has been, yes, due to the tariffs and some other issues with the United States.

00:42:37.380 But isn't Carney supposed to be the diplomatic wizard as well?

00:42:39.940 Well, that seems to be bloody failing, isn't it?

00:42:42.460 Get down there, do whatever you have to do with Trump,

00:42:45.620 because whether you like him or don't like him,

00:42:48.180 He is our next-door neighbor in charge of the largest economy on the planet and our main trading partner.

00:42:57.200 Products going both ways.

00:42:59.220 We have to cut a deal with that man, as infuriating as he might be, as intractable as he might be, and as stubborn as he might be.

00:43:08.620 I'll finish off with something a little lighter, I guess, in a way.

00:43:10.780 He probably saw that story, and I was just astounded with that Air Canada pilot

00:43:14.840 who apparently was flying for 17 years without a valid license.

00:43:19.860 You know, on commercial flights, 100s, 900 commercial flights apparently he flew without a license.

00:43:26.420 My thoughts of it, Jane was saying that the other day.

00:43:30.180 Give him a license, my lord.

00:43:31.840 I think he's kind of proven he's good enough at it.

00:43:33.860 I know that's not a way to bypass.

00:43:35.680 We don't want people sneaking in and seeing if they can pull it off, you know,

00:43:38.500 from on the computer simulators long enough and fake it.

00:43:43.580 But good heavens, you know, I mean, I imagine there's a lot of licensed pilots

00:43:48.060 who do a lot worse than that.

00:43:49.780 That's amazing.

00:43:50.440 Obviously, he's had some training and there's some more background

00:43:53.400 to however the heck this man managed to pull this off for that long.

00:43:57.480 I wonder if maybe he feels a little relieved that that secret's out

00:44:01.080 so he can move on and forward.

00:44:02.960 I don't know.

00:44:04.360 But 900 flights and safe landings, I think he's proven himself to be an adequate pilot.

00:44:09.780 I don't know.

00:44:10.320 Give him a $100 fine and then force him to go in just to apply the license and get the thing. 0.81

00:44:14.200 We could use more pilots anyways.

00:44:15.880 He apparently is a pretty good one.

00:44:19.960 So, you know, just keep those things in mind.

00:44:24.960 Let's see.

00:44:26.400 Richard L. Nisky saying, President Trump's doing what's best for America.

00:44:30.480 Maybe he's doing what he thinks is best for America.

00:44:32.520 But we don't have time left in the show today to talk about the foolishness of using taxation as a tool to try for economic development.

00:44:38.600 Tariffs are not good policy.

00:44:40.860 They're clumsy policy.

00:44:42.380 And it's not helping American businesses either.

00:44:45.260 But it's the nature of Trump anyways.

00:44:46.960 And he's the man who's going to be in there for the next couple of years, whether, again, people like it or don't like it.

00:44:52.920 So you've got to negotiate with who's there.

00:44:54.980 And Carney, as with so many other things, is doing a horrifically terrible job of that.

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00:45:18.580 We're going to record that from here as well.

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00:45:22.760 We'll break down a few more of those issues.

00:45:24.680 Be sure to come back again next week, and we will cover all the issues.

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Western Standard - June 10, 2026

Alberta’s referendum is very real

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