In this episode of the Cory Morgan Show, I talk about the collapse of Canada's economy, the UCP government in Alberta, and what it means for the future of the country. I also talk about why a Canadian referendum should never happen.
00:00:28.320welcome to the cory morgan show yeah we got another good one ahead lots going on summer
00:00:33.860things haven't really slowed down politically that much often it gets a little hard to find
00:00:37.260things to cover but there's been no shortage of stuff to go on about these days the show is live
00:00:42.900be sure to use that comment scroll guys send those questions my way comments ideas i see a jordan
00:00:48.860lunt saying tall poppy syndrome yeah that leads into what i'm going to talk about in a bit and
00:00:52.560it's a good uh analogy for for what i'm talking about sean wright talking about a a referendum
00:00:58.120shouldn't even happen. We're going to talk a little bit about that as well because Canada's
00:01:02.580collapse will bring about Alberta's independence. That's another way to look at it. It might come
00:01:06.260that way. Who knows? I'm going to have Jonathan Dennis come on. He was a former Justice Minister
00:01:10.460of Alberta. We're going to talk a little bit about the tail end of the progressive conservative
00:01:14.360government back in the past and now the current UCP and sort of the resurgence of some of the
00:01:19.240worst of the progressive conservatives as Fabio Thomas Lukasik keeps popping up in the news scroll
00:01:24.600still, whether we want to hear from him or not. All right, but again, I'm wanting to rant about
00:01:29.540here in a bit here. It's on the news, of course. Just the announcements are always the same,
00:01:34.220it seems, out of Prime Minister Carney. He's now tossing, what, a billion and some dollars
00:01:38.600at the BC forestry sector. And I know they're hurting. I know the trade mess is causing
00:01:43.000pressures, but Carney's answer to everything is just tossing more money at it. And guys,
00:01:48.040this doesn't bode well for us. I mean, Alberta's doing well, despite Canada, not because of it.
00:01:53.220And so Saskatchewan is doing pretty good too.
00:01:55.180Alberta is surpassing the rest of the country in most economic measures.
00:01:59.040Even though oil prices have been tumultuous, Alberta's economy is going strong.
00:02:02.900Unemployment is below the national average.
00:02:05.160Our provincial government posted a surplus of over $8 billion.
00:02:08.140And new housing units even created will reach a record high of nearly 60,000 this year.
00:02:12.780Having a low tax rate in a welcoming business environment has diversified the local economy and it's paying off.
00:02:18.280By comparison, Canada's economic outlook is a basket case.
00:02:22.100Under Carney's brilliant guidance, the deficit went from $62 billion from when he was elected to a staggering $92 billion and growing.
00:02:29.620Carney's spending spree is making his predecessor, Justin Trudeau, look like a cheapskate.
00:02:34.120We're just paying the interest on the current national debt costs as much as the government brings in every year on the GST.
00:02:39.220That's as much as the federal government sends out in annual health care transfers to the provinces.
00:02:44.660It gets worse, though. Carney's fiscal irresponsibility is sure to lead to a credit downgrade for the federal government soon.
00:02:50.620And that means interest rates will rise on the federal debt as the balance grows by nearly $100 billion a year.
00:02:56.200Look, Canada's swirling into a debt catastrophe and Carney's showing no indication of trying to stop it.
00:03:02.080Carney was sold to Canadians in the last election as some sort of economic and diplomatic wizard.
00:03:06.520Well, so far his economic ineptitude is only being overshadowed by his utter failure to get a deal with Canada's largest trading partner done.
00:03:14.740And now rising tariffs are devastating some Canadian industries.
00:03:17.920The elbows-up approach has been a total failure.
00:03:21.360Not to be outdone by the federal government, though, Doug Ford's bumbling management of Ontario has put the province into have-not status,
00:03:27.180and they rely on equalization payments to pay their bills.
00:03:31.260Ford jumped into bed with Justin Trudeau on subsidy sinkholes such as battery plants that never began construction and edible cricket factories that went broke.
00:03:39.620The unemployment rate in Ontario is nearly 8%, while the cost of living continues to rise.
00:03:43.720despite having three times Alberta's population, Ontario only managed to build the same number of
00:03:48.660housing units in one year. Too much government has made increasing housing at a sustainable rate
00:03:54.460impossible. Mass immigration, though, it continues to pressure the country while billions are spent1.00
00:03:58.820to house refugees and hotels. The influx has contributed to a near collapse of health care1.00
00:04:03.460systems in every province, and despite constant spending increases, it's just not getting better.
00:04:08.080And of course, then there's the Maritimes. They remain in perpetual state of dependency,
00:04:11.340while unemployment in Newfoundland sits at 10% with no relief on the horizon.
00:04:15.400Canada prefers to subsidize people to stay in the regions without resources
00:04:18.820rather than move the people to the regions that need the labour.
00:04:21.260Then they bring in more mass immigration to fill the labour needs in other areas.
00:04:24.960It's a recipe for national population imbalance.
00:16:28.320And the fact that he has actually openly supported the NDP in the last two provincial elections,
00:16:34.200has openly been working with Trudeau in the last couple of federal elections,
00:16:38.620that doesn't really seem that conservative to me.
00:16:41.840No, and that's what I kind of wanted to get at.
00:16:44.580I guess some people would say, well, that's a good sign.
00:16:46.660It was diversity in the governing party.
00:16:48.480You had some people of very different ideologies within the same government, but realistically, that's kind of what led to the instability, probably, which led to the end of things later.
00:16:57.440You've remained, you know, quite consistently conservative-minded ever since, even after leaving government.
00:17:03.080Mr. Lukasik, as you said, is now leaning more towards the NDP and the Liberals.
00:17:08.200Now, we've got a different outlook going on.
00:17:09.860There's a two-party system sort of happening.
00:17:13.260Mr. Lukasik really is becoming a public person.
00:17:15.560And do you think he might be, though, looking at pursuing a political role again?
00:17:19.600Well, again, only he could answer that question.
00:17:22.760But I'll just say this, is that either he is, he's quite good at drawing attention to himself.
00:19:22.360And, I mean, you were just in such a diverse cabinet.
00:19:28.740How well, I mean, with a leader trying to hold that together, when you get somebody on such a, they were trying to be everything to everybody, I think is kind of what led to the end, to a degree with the PCs.
00:19:38.480people knew as well if you wanted to get into a government seat you had to join the pcs back then
00:19:43.980so even if you're only gig in town yeah if your ideology was more left-leaning ndp-ish and there
00:19:49.520were a number of people with the pcs that way well they pursued that route but there must have
00:19:53.560been some pretty uh scorching battles in there occasionally then between some of the individuals
00:19:57.860i don't expect you to breach confidentialities but that makes a challenge for a leader the
00:20:02.280confidentiality continues uh after the fact so i'm not going to get not yeah thank you for that uh
00:20:07.220that out uh but you know i do remember one time like uh mr mccas really didn't like being challenged
00:20:12.340in uh in caucus i remember an altercation not physical one uh that he and i had had a government
00:20:18.360house after after the fact um reality though is um the uh i would just i like us to ask as a movement
00:20:26.180what are our core values what makes a person an environmental conservative a social conservative
00:20:31.360a fiscal conservative like myself uh what defines us as a movement there's certain
00:20:36.660non-negotiables that a person must have or that a party really should have what makes us the party
00:20:43.400that we're at and you start straying too far from that what ends up happening is you alienate
00:20:48.180your traditional supporters and i think maybe you were in that category you felt alienated
00:20:53.280at that time one of the biggest moments of the decline though is i have seen um pride and
00:20:59.080arrogance ruin more people in this business than any scandal ever will and when a leader thinks
00:21:05.060that he or she is all that in a bag of chips that's when the consultations stop and that is
00:21:11.140at that very moment is when the bad decisions start yeah when they start looking for whether
00:21:16.540finding hills to die on rather than perhaps examining ways of compromise to hold things
00:21:20.660together uh i just see uh a perilous or not perilous but a challenging outlook for the ucp
00:21:29.860going ahead i mean as we are in a two-party system sort of you're kind of all or nothing
00:21:33.920The PCs had that vent. There was the Alberta Alliance Wild Rose coming along, but there was also still some degree of the Liberal Party was going on. There was the NDP. Now you've really just got two. And, you know, holding that together. I mean, Nenshi's got his challenges as well, trying to keep things capped up with the NDP. But Premier Smith, now she's got kind of a newer element to it. So there's some core conservative principles, but not every conservative, for example, is supportive of Alberta independence.
00:22:02.660but that's a strong portion of her party base does support that and she's got quite a balancing act to1.00
00:22:09.860to juggle there too because that that's the sort of issue that could be a deal breaker for some
00:22:13.300people well i gotta really commend the premier here because she and i have been on some opposite
00:22:17.000sides before i've known her since 1998 uh we uh uh it comes a time to let some of these things go
00:22:23.180but again what you want to ask really the direction the government is going if the government is going
00:22:29.820She's done a very good job at standing up for this province.
00:22:34.240I think that's one thing where she has shone at.
00:22:37.700But that in itself, like, we want to ask ourselves, what do we want to do?
00:23:08.800But the flip side to that is if we have multiple conservative parties again, that poses a problem for us, even in Alberta, as we saw in 2015.
00:23:19.000Yeah, well, that could be a real problem going on.
00:23:22.760uh it's funny when you're talking though about and i mean you're you're a lawyer uh you've been
00:23:28.400actually you know outspoken on with that that's a whole separate issue we would talk about with
00:23:31.860some of the law societies and challenges going on there uh and and independence in those areas
00:23:36.660uh but with data mining i mean it's understandable okay the exercise for example that mr lakasik's
00:23:42.040got going on uh those signatures though any signatures going towards a referendum that data
00:23:48.360should not be used for any other purpose aside from giving to the electoral officer to invoke
00:23:54.740an election, right? Or a referendum. So that's a bit of a complex issue. Just like every legal
00:23:58.680issue, the answer is it depends. Okay. So our privacy legislation, there's a Freedom of Information
00:24:03.700Protection Privacy Act. And then there's the Personal Information Protection Act. There's an
00:24:07.840exception there for politics. Okay. So for example, if I knock on your door and your issue are people
00:24:13.920using your washroom at your at your uh at your uh restaurant i will write that down i can give that
00:24:19.840to a different candidate it's a little bit different though with something like this is that
00:24:24.080it should not be used for other purposes and i happen to know that the chief electoral officer
00:24:28.560will salt lists for example we'll put a john q simpson and that doesn't exist and then if that
00:24:35.200john q simpson is called from somebody else that discloses that that's been used so it's not
00:24:40.240against the privacy legislation but something like this as you point out it is actually against
00:24:45.760the the elections act yeah actually that that salting lists we did that with one of the wild
00:24:50.960rose leadership contests going on as well just to make sure that people weren't sharing lists
00:24:55.680elsewhere and we let them know don't don't be surprised if that list actually was shared yeah
00:25:03.600either way you know it's it's it's uh we want to be preventative with it uh but yeah it's a good
00:25:08.480thing i don't own that bar anymore i don't want people voting on whether or not they could use
00:25:11.200my bathroom uh but i mean it is complicated if you're petitioning door to door you can technically
00:25:17.760have two clipboards one is for the potential signature another is for so well that i've also
00:25:22.080met this person and they're supportive of this party and i'm going to share the other clipboard
00:25:25.440information with the party of my choice uh nothing stops that nothing stops that so the question is
00:25:32.400is where is this data going? I suspect that it is for more purposes than simply this Forever Canada
00:25:39.200campaign. What that is, I don't know. Yeah. Well, we have to wonder, I mean,
00:25:45.520is Mr. Lukasik, it's a lot of work on his part and he's not a fool. He knows this won't go
00:25:53.120anywhere. Even if he gets it across the finish line and then there's a referendum held, his
00:25:57.920question is saying, do you want to support the status quo? So I mean, no matter which way a vote
00:26:02.680goes, nothing's going to change. So what is he really going for with this? Just trying to throw
00:26:08.740sand in the gears? Or is there an ulterior motive? I mean, we can only speculate. We can only
00:26:13.440speculate at this point. But my prediction is that neither referendum question gets the requisite
00:26:18.920amount of signatures. It's a very high bar. And you only have a limited time to go through and
00:26:24.040get those particular signatures in. So that's a very, very high bar to go and meet. That's a lot
00:26:30.400of organization. Yes, there's 5 million people in this province. Some of them are under 18. Some of
00:26:35.040them are not Canadian citizens who are coming. That's great that they're coming here. But you're0.99
00:26:41.060going from a very large group that you need to go and attract in a very short period of time.
00:26:49.240Yeah, so now the electoral officer has, you know, put forward the Alberta Prosperity Projects
00:26:55.780question to the Court of Kings bench to have them review it for constitutionality.
00:27:00.000Premier Smith has expressed ire with that.
00:27:03.300But I mean, the Premier doesn't want to get into a scrap with the chief electoral officer.
00:27:06.620That's got some of the worst optics you could possibly have.
00:27:09.540But at the same time, does this need to go before that?
00:27:13.020I mean, I thought the Supreme Court and the Clarity Act pretty much laid it out.
00:27:15.540as long as you have a clear question, it shouldn't be a problem. So the Clarity Act says it must be
00:27:20.560a clear question and a clear majority. So the clear question, if you go back to the 1995 Quebec
00:27:25.100referendum, that was a very, very long question that Lucie Bouchard had put up. I actually think
00:27:31.180the better question that would be there is, do you want to separate from Canada or something very
00:27:34.840similar to that? So a clear majority would mean something more than 50%, probably not 80%,
00:27:40.260but something more than 50%. So that's the Clarity Act. I want to just preface this comment
00:27:45.600that I'm not criticizing any judge, not criticizing any court here whatsoever, but I do question why
00:27:51.720does this need to go to a court? To me, that this is a political exercise. This is something that
00:27:57.220can be cited by our elected officials. I don't know why it's going to a court.
00:28:01.600Well, and it does, and you know, I've dealt with elections in Alberta. I've always actually,
00:28:06.380despite a lot of people having conspiracy theories and everything, I find they bend over
00:28:09.440backwards very hard to remain as unbiased as possible when it comes to partisan things I mean
00:28:14.740that's the very core of their being they cannot apply a bias or it's the worst possible area for
00:28:21.220such a bureaucracy it's the elections but when he's taken it upon himself to put that towards
00:28:27.280the court of king's bench it kind of raises a little questions on you know does he feel that
00:28:32.620it's worth I don't want to question the integrity of chief electoral officer but no no actually no
00:28:37.160For the most part, I've acted on a few judicial recounts at different levels of government.
00:28:41.280For the most part, our democracy in Canada is pretty good.
00:28:43.660It's never going to be perfect, but it's pretty good.
00:28:46.340You don't really have like these mass voter fraud issues and stuff like that you see in other democracies.
00:29:58.320is this a political move to delay this closer to the next election in 2027 that's a valid question
00:30:04.400yeah and i don't feel that the premier is going to want to have to juggle that issue with a
00:30:10.200referendum happening close to a general election we go that's my point so she would probably be
00:30:15.620if she wants to get this done she wants that band-aid peeled off next year so that whatever1.00
00:30:19.140way that uh referendum goes she's dealing now with an election the year after not that0.58
00:30:22.840but you can't speed a judge up. You can't speed basic judicial independence. I remember the
00:30:28.360back of the day Jean Charest got kicked out of cabinet in the 80s for even calling a judge.
00:30:35.780You don't go anywhere near them. They have independence as to when and when they want
00:30:42.180to send it out and it's independent of any political direction. Once a judge is appointed
00:30:46.220he or she can do whatever they want. Yeah and that independence is very important. It is.
00:30:50.820It's just I'll leave with one final thing, though. Would it be possible then, even if there hadn't been a ruling for the Premier just to say, well, we're pulling the trigger. We can allow these guys to start petitioning now regardless, and we'll find out the constitutionality of it later.
00:31:02.660That could be a little dangerous because what could happen is the party could apply for an injunction stopping that.
00:31:09.520But on top of that, there's such a matter of a judicial independence order.
00:31:12.660The Chief Justice of Alberta can then go and issue a judicial independence order.
00:31:16.220I'm reminded once a conversation I had with Mr. Nenshi in 2012 when he wanted me to put the arrest processing unit at the bottom of the Calgary courthouse.
00:31:23.720I said, buddy, I will get a judicial independence order slapped against me if I go and do that.
00:31:58.940you know, I just like to talk about this business. Give me a call and ask me for coffee. And you and
00:32:03.520I will review for that. Great. Well, thank you very much again. And I'll let you get back on.
00:32:07.940I know you're on the road today. So I appreciate it. And I hope we talk again soon. Thanks again
00:32:11.420for having me on, Corey. Take care. Thanks. So that was Jonathan Dennis. Yeah, I was from folks
00:32:16.440might remember past political figures in Alberta. And yeah, he's still out there and active with
00:32:22.300things. And there's just so many questions with this, right? You know, you hope for clarity,
00:32:26.840you hope for clear cut, straight pass. And then the ambiguity gets thrown in. I'm kind of frustrated
00:32:33.940in my view, but again, I'm not a judge. I'm not a lawyer. The question from the Alberta Prosperity
00:32:39.440Project is pretty straightforward. You could tell what they tried to do was very purposeful in
00:32:43.620saying, do you want, and I'm paraphrasing, I might have it a little off. I should have written it
00:32:48.080down. But do you want Alberta to become a sovereign nation of its own outside of Canada?
00:32:52.740You want to leave Canada. You know, just as clear as that. Jonathan said it should be just as basic
00:32:59.520as do you want to separate, even a little more cut down from that. But separate, I guess, the worry
00:33:05.900you get people, well, ambiguity, does that mean with this or that, or is that a sovereign nation
00:33:09.620of Alberta, or is that in conjunction with others? They made it pretty clear in a sentence in some
00:33:13.480of the Prosperity Project. As Jonathan mentioned, the Quebec referendum, for those who remember
00:33:17.500from 1995, that question was a giant word salad of ambiguity and ugliness. And that's why it went,
00:33:27.100you know, because you could read that 10 different ways. And how are you going to get people to vote
00:33:30.180on something? It should be pretty much stay or go. And I'm pretty, I'm confident, though the judge
00:33:36.240might not agree with me, I'm confident that what the Alberta Prosperity Project put forward is
00:33:40.900clear. So why are we delaying on this? And I mean, while we got Lukasik, I've seen some of the
00:33:47.980discussion on the comment scroll. So I mean, just to, to, for some people who don't watch it as
00:33:53.000closely. So Alberta's referendum legislation just came into being, or just at least got amended
00:33:59.460recently. Jason Kenney first brought it in and he set it to a ridiculous bar that made it pretty
00:34:05.140much impossible for anybody to meet it. That's why the, that's the recall legislation's in there as
00:34:09.980well. That's why to recall Jody Gondek under that old legislation took more signatures on a petition
00:34:15.720than people who actually voted in the election. It was ridiculous. And it's been scaled down,
00:34:23.220but Lukaszek thought he jumped the gun and he applied to petition to have a referendum held
00:34:29.360before the new legislation came into power. And it starts getting complicated. There's
00:34:37.680policy referendums and their referenda and there's constitutional ones. Now his would be under a
00:34:44.040policy one under the old legislation. It means he needs nearly 300,000 signatures and he only has
00:34:50.02090 days to get them. I'm hearing different numbers from them. I mean, they already flubbed up and
00:34:55.260stepped in it by attacking Alberta's flag in a safe way and embarrassed themselves and shut down
00:34:59.460one of their Facebook groups that gets them going. They have not been doing well, though they've been
00:35:04.180getting a lot of legacy media coverage. Chorus just seems to be determined to pump the tires
00:35:09.340for Lukasik's petition. To get 300,000 signatures, you've got to remember, this is a real petition.
00:35:14.760This isn't online. This isn't anything like that. You've got to have a person registered
00:35:18.840holding that clipboard to another person, witnessing them to fill out their full name,
00:35:23.860home address. You can't use a mailing address. Just for people with the APP, I'll give that tip.
00:35:28.000Don't take a box number. That's invalid. It's got to have contact information in it. It's got to
00:35:33.840be legible. And to get 300,000 of those is massive. It is massive. They need 3,300 of those a day for
00:35:43.56090 days pretty much to pull it down. And you got to remember, you got to be closer to over 300,000
00:35:49.640because you know they're going to throw some out. Or as Jonathan said, the chief electoral officer
00:35:53.280will actually have some fake names in there to make sure you're not abusing the lists. And what
00:35:56.820they'll do is they won't check every name, of course, that would take them years to check the
00:36:00.680300,000 people, but they'll task a bunch of staff to check a whole bunch of the names. They'll watch
00:36:07.140for duplicates. Duplicates are going to be thrown out. If you're doing it, you see part of what
00:36:11.000Fabio there, Lukasik is doing is he's going to farmers markets and public events and they're
00:36:15.440getting signatures there. That's fine in the short term, but what you find at those is it's the same
00:36:20.180people who come weekend after weekend after weekend. They can only sign once. And if they
00:36:24.460sign multiple times, you're going to get in trouble because they do cross-check some of this
00:36:27.880And they're going to check some others. And if this is a fake person, that's going to get stricken off the list. And if they find too many invalid ones in the petition, they could throw the entire thing out. So it is no small task to get these 300,000 signatures.
00:36:44.960Now, the Alberta Prosperity Project, theirs was filed after the new legislation came in.
00:36:52.920So they only need, and it's still a lot, 170-some thousand signatures.
00:36:58.960And they'll have 120 days to do it rather than 90 days.
00:37:02.820So a much, much lower bar than what Thomas Lukasik has.
00:37:09.360And they've been organizing for years.
00:37:14.340they've been gathering names for years. They've been holding meetings around the province for
00:37:17.800years. They, this is the game. This is what they've been waiting for. This is what they're
00:37:21.320up for. So I'm pretty confident if they can just get the go ahead, they're going to get it done.
00:37:27.440But if now the electoral officer has thrown this into the courts, how long is it going to be before
00:37:34.680they're allowed to actually start collecting these signatures? This is a more sand in the
00:37:40.020years than Lukasik possibly could have done. So are there going to be two referendum? I doubt it.
00:37:46.300I just, I don't, I really don't believe Lukasik's going to get that 300,000 in. But as, as Jonathan
00:37:54.640pointed out, this could have a different agenda, right? You're also data mining while you're at it.
00:37:59.860You're campaigning while you're at it. You're doing a whole separate thing while you're at it.
00:38:04.180So even if you never get the question on, suddenly you see data is everything. Those lists, those
00:38:08.620identified people, it is worth a lot to somebody running a campaign. And Lukasik and his volunteers
00:38:17.540are building up a whole lot of names of people. Not saying that they're photocopying the petition
00:38:21.980form. That would be an abuse of it. But as I was saying with Jonathan, if you're there with two
00:38:25.820clipboards and you write down one and write down the other, I tell you what, I'll give this tip
00:38:29.960to people with the Alberta Prosperity Project. Once they get on the real petition, once they get
00:38:34.820with this. Volunteers should carefully, carefully, should carefully do this. You're going door to
00:38:41.780door. And that's what it's going to take is people going door to door in the end of it. That's a lot
00:38:45.140of work. But you're going door to door and you find somebody who is, yes, I am gung-ho. I want
00:38:52.240independence. Not only that, I'll sign your petition, but I want to see a sign on my lawn
00:38:57.440when the campaign for the referendum actually begins. And I want to donate to the referendum
00:39:01.100campaign. Well, you got to have a separate clipboard and write that stuff down and you
00:39:04.860should. Don't lose out on those ones. Also, if you get somebody who comes to their doorstep and
00:39:10.020says, I'm going to kick you in the privates if I ever see one of you guys on our doorstep again1.00
00:39:14.120or anything like that, you should probably note that in the other clipboard too so you don't
00:39:17.700waste time going out there. Because you see, there's two campaigns. Right now, we're just
00:39:22.140in the petitioning campaign part. Just the part of trying to get the question on a referendum
00:39:30.200a ballot. Then a date has to be set for the referendum. As Jonathan said, politically,
00:39:38.620I think Premier Smith will want this sooner rather than later because she doesn't want to0.99
00:39:43.760be dealing with whatever way this goes when a general election comes. We're looking at, what,
00:39:49.620two years now? She won't want that to be hanging over onto that. And then a referendum campaign0.98
00:39:56.500means you have to convince a clear majority of Albertans. And there's another one of those
00:40:01.000areas of big ambiguity. And this is going to be one of the huge ones. A clear majority of
00:40:06.160Albertans saying they want to go. And I've been fighting with a few independence minded people
00:40:11.800about that already. There's not a clear majority yet, not even close. We're talking about numbers
00:40:17.520330%, 40% at the highest. Realistically, if we don't want it in the courts forever,
00:40:24.820it's got to be at least 55% voting on that. And that's a big campaign. That's a big swing in
00:40:32.020public opinion. But as I said, my opening monologue, Alberta's in a perilous position.0.53
00:40:37.080We've got a surplus is going. We've got a different attitude here. We're doing well,
00:40:40.720and we've got a country that's swirling the toilet. So I got a feeling there could be a
00:40:47.920big cash grab. That number can turn from that 30 or 40% for independence and get a lot bigger
00:40:52.620really fast if the feds make a move on us. A question from one of the commenters saying
00:40:57.340is, if I do a segment on how to obtain a commissioner of oath certification, I do think
00:41:03.460we'll need many. Yeah, because as pointed out with that, when you're petitioning, every
00:41:09.240person who does that, then they got to bring their petition and swear an affidavit to a
00:41:13.060commissioner of oaths that they witnessed the signatures is on it. This is not a minor
00:41:16.400affair, folks. And the more people who are commissioners of oaths, the better. I don't
00:41:21.980know the process. My wife, Jane, I don't even know if she still has that status any longer,
00:41:26.560but she was a commissioner of O's. She did that for a while when she ran a business center.1.00
00:41:32.340And I'm pretty sure the process is online. I don't know what everything that goes into it
00:41:37.340necessarily. But I mean, some of the discussions of what's going to be needed. Dark Group saying
00:41:42.700APB needs more canvassers than commissioners of O's. Yeah, well, you need both. That's the bottom
00:41:47.120line. It'll save you some grief. If you've got a bunch of people working the doors, you don't
00:41:51.080want to slow things down if there's only two people who can witness that, who only have certain
00:41:55.080periods of time to witness those signatures and sign off. If there's 10 of them, that'll make it
00:41:58.460easier. But the realism is you need thousands. You do. You need thousands of volunteers getting out
00:42:05.420there and getting those signatures. And central organization. They've got to be bringing all of
00:42:14.800those petition forms into one area. You've got to make sure that somebody hasn't, you've got to
00:42:19.260think of the sabotage that people are going to do. Somebody could put a whole fake bunch of
00:42:24.260petitions things in just to screw with what's being brought in. They got to watch for that.
00:42:31.340This is a big, big game, guys. And it's going to be an interesting one. Nothing else. Another
00:42:38.560thing on that, it's going before, I guess, the first hearing before a judge, which I think is
00:42:42.360optimistic with that question. I believe it's tomorrow. It's going before the judge, at least.
00:42:46.900The only problem is the judge might sit on it for four months before making a ruling.
00:42:50.720But Alan Adam, he's a former First Nations chief.
00:43:12.100He got $55,000 from the Tides Foundation.
00:43:16.900to oppose oil sands development. So if I see him suddenly jumping up and down so hard
00:43:22.760in opposition to the independence referendum, kind of makes you wonder who's paying his bills.
00:43:29.040His other claim to fame, you can see, is him getting roughly busted and impaired and a whole
00:43:36.040number of things outside of a casino up north. That video went a little viral some years ago,
00:43:40.600too. Anyways, Mr. Adam is not exactly a credible individual, but Legacy Media, of course, is
00:43:47.100reporting on it. Look at this, a chief, and I think he's even a former chief, not even a current
00:43:50.780one. I could be wrong. He might be back in. I don't know, but he's opposing this. Thus, it can't
00:43:54.960happen. I've covered that in past videos. I cover that on this show, and the Supreme Court has
00:43:59.860covered it many, many times when it comes to things like things happening on Crown land,
00:44:04.880projects consultation, despite what some people are trying to spread out there, First Nations,
00:44:12.080Indigenous people, whatever the term of the week is for them, do not have a veto power over
00:44:16.460developments. They don't have a veto power over referendums. They don't have a veto power over
00:44:21.600much of anything outside of their own bloody reserve. And the Supreme Court has ruled on that
00:44:27.860many times. We have an obligation to consult. And people are blurring that line between consult and
00:44:33.760Consent. Big, big difference between the two. Some First Nation advocates and lefties and other jerks are saying we need consent. No, you do not. But we do need to consult. What better way to consult than holding a referendum? That's exactly what a referendum is. It's consulting. It's consulting everybody. And the Indigenous people will have just as many votes as everybody else. One per person. They don't want to give consent. They vote no. They lose the majority. Life sucks. Move on. You still have your reserve. Your treaties are still intact.
00:45:03.360but the federation is done and the new government around you is now an independent province or at
00:45:08.800least working towards it. This has been covered a lot, but in legacy media won't cover it. It won't
00:45:13.820break that down. It won't give you those details. It'll act as if guys like Rent-A-Chief Adam
00:45:18.140is an authority and he's not. He's not an authority on much of anything, I assure you.
00:45:24.280All right. That kind of covers it today, guys. Thank you very much for tuning in.
00:45:28.820uh, watch for the pipeline coming on tonight. We're going to have a panel with Nigel and, uh,
00:45:33.580Erica Barutis and some others. And, uh, Oh, I held that call almost to the end.
00:45:39.100Uh, be sure to tune in again next week, guys. And I'll have a whole new, uh,
00:45:42.420bunch of subjects and another guest to talk about. So thanks again. See you then.