Western Standard - All Madness on the Western Front

00:00:00.000 Good day and welcome. I'm Derek Phil LeBrant, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're

00:00:28.260 watching the pipeline today's may 27th 2026 i've got most of the usual crowd here uh we've got

00:00:36.520 uh what should say to news editor dave naylor good day senior alberta columnist cory morgan

00:00:41.660 and filling in haphazardly for nigel hannaford is one of our reporters here uh dave veitsch nick

00:00:50.240 everybody or dent dent you got the night you got that name at the morning newsroom meeting here

00:00:56.300 That could be a parting shot

00:00:58.480 That could be your parting shot

00:01:00.180 You could tell them about Dent

00:01:00.980 I guess we could

00:01:01.880 Okay there you go

00:01:04.200 Alright

00:01:04.980 Today is all Alberta all the time

00:01:08.920 All madness on the western front

00:01:11.760 It's all about independence

00:01:14.320 And followed around it

00:01:16.780 You know

00:01:18.360 Mark Carney saying

00:01:20.000 50% plus 1 is not a clear majority

00:01:22.240 For independence

00:01:24.180 creating waves

00:01:26.100 even in Quebec. This is all coming

00:01:27.980 from a question from one of our reporters in Ottawa.

00:01:32.360 Smith's leadership.

00:01:33.760 Alberta Premier Daniel Smith's leadership

00:01:35.740 now on the line as

00:01:37.920 a lot of people in the independence camp are

00:01:39.940 unhappy with the

00:01:42.020 wording of this referendum to have

00:01:43.980 a referendum business.

00:01:45.600 But what we're going to start with

00:01:48.080 no, we'll go through that later. 0.88

00:01:50.860 But Wob Canoe.

00:01:52.240 I like our headline on this. Wob

00:01:54.020 rocks the canoe hey hey oh you can't see cory morgan face plumbing here uh come on i'm getting

00:02:01.200 that face palm again there hey oh it loses the authenticity yeah glob rocks the canoe come on

00:02:08.420 terrible that's a that's a good one that's a good one i think i'm all tanned i've been working in

00:02:15.540 sent for a few days i think i uh yeah okay um so we're gonna start um dave our uh our parliament

00:02:25.540 hill reporter uh wally tam tam uh asked mark carney a question uh on parliament hill i think

00:02:33.460 just yesterday um you know because there's a lot of question around uh the clarity act you know a

00:02:40.460 clear majority to a clear question you know we've all heard that a million times before it's no

00:02:44.740 longer a clear question and there's some debate around why that is now uh the smith government

00:02:50.560 says well it's these silly injunctions requiring that indigenous consultation has to happen before

00:02:56.780 you even ask the question which seems absurd and they're saying well we just don't want yet another

00:03:01.380 injunction we want a question on the ballot people want this question answered uh no one more than

00:03:06.660 thomas lukasik um and so we're going with this because this kind of preempts that kind of

00:03:12.940 injunction. Others are saying that, no, that only those injunctions only applied to citizens

00:03:17.780 initiative referended, not to government ones. It's kind of a legal argument at this point.

00:03:23.220 You can get into that maybe a bit, but either way, it's not a clear question now.

00:03:29.680 Traditionally, I always thought a clear majority was more than half, 50% plus one.

00:03:36.720 It's extremely rare in Canada that a politician is, at least a provincial or federal government

00:03:42.100 has ever been elected with 50%

00:03:44.100 plus one of the vote. It's happened, but it's

00:03:45.960 extremely, extremely rare.

00:03:48.960 So, our

00:03:50.000 reporter at Parliament Hill

00:03:51.000 puts the question to Mark Carney, and Mark Carney's

00:03:54.020 answers might surprise some people,

00:03:56.100 including Quebec. Yeah, what

00:03:58.040 a delightful name, eh? Tam Tam.

00:04:00.200 Sounds like Tim Tam. 0.99

00:04:02.340 Tim Tam's an Australian

00:04:03.800 biscuit. 1.00

00:04:06.200 So, Waleed

00:04:07.280 talked to the Prime Minister in a scrum

00:04:09.820 and asked him, you know, what

00:04:11.860 does what

00:04:13.800 precludes a majority? What does a majority

00:04:16.380 mean? And Carney responded

00:04:18.380 that it is not 50%

00:04:20.660 plus one, and then

00:04:22.500 gave a word salad

00:04:23.900 answer to why he thinks

00:04:26.240 that in the number of people that didn't

00:04:28.400 vote, all that sort of stuff.

00:04:30.880 So, well, unlike you, Derek, I always

00:04:32.540 thought majority wins.

00:04:35.500 But, you know,

00:04:36.700 is 50% 0.97

00:04:38.540 plus one enough to

00:04:39.860 to

00:04:41.860 separate a province, whether it be Quebec or Alberta, it would seem to me, I don't know.

00:04:50.060 I would think for it, you would need a stronger vote to be able to move forward with independence than just 50% plus one.

00:05:00.240 Well, I get the principle of that.

00:05:03.380 The problem is, it then becomes anything other than 50% plus one, it then becomes arbitrary.

00:05:09.580 Is it 50% plus 1% plus 2% plus another 30?

00:05:16.160 Do you need 33%?

00:05:17.240 Like, at what point is it?

00:05:18.960 This is the problem.

00:05:20.540 It then becomes arbitrary.

00:05:22.160 What then is a clear majority if it's not 50% plus 1%?

00:05:26.620 Funny enough, he at the Liberal Party argued that that Quebec by-election was separated by a single vote.

00:05:32.960 They argued that that single vote was enough.

00:05:36.900 And in that case, it certainly was not because there was all sorts of problems with the balloting so that there was no actual margin there.

00:05:43.780 I would agree that if the literal difference was a single vote, and, you know, there's always a little bit of discrepancy.

00:05:51.020 You have to have some margin of error for discrepancy in elections.

00:05:54.040 You know, some people voted who shouldn't have voted.

00:05:56.520 Some people were sent to the wrong balloting station.

00:05:59.360 I agree you have to have a little margin of error, so not a single vote, but more or less the principle.

00:06:04.620 It's got to be 50% plus one.

00:06:07.160 Corey, it also raises the interesting question, because this is not a simple yes-no referendum,

00:06:12.500 like should Alberta become independent?

00:06:14.800 It is, it's more of an A-B question.

00:06:17.200 It's not yes-no, it's A-B.

00:06:18.500 It's should Alberta remain a province of Canada, or should Alberta begin the consultation process

00:06:25.760 towards a binding referendum and independence, so more or less.

00:06:29.320 So that raises the question then, if 50% plus one is not a clear majority,

00:06:33.000 but it's not a yes or no question what if the federalists don't get a clear majority what if

00:06:38.700 it's 50 plus one to stay in canada what's good for the goose is good for the gander well pretty

00:06:45.840 much i mean it's it's hard to define this whole thing i mean the bottom line is though i gotta

00:06:51.560 admit the ones trying to change the status quo should perhaps have a bit if there's going to

00:06:56.240 be a different bar erring on the side of that if it literally was an election of 50 and only one

00:07:01.540 And then maybe you're going to err towards what was there.

00:07:04.040 But what I find interesting is how quickly they forgot, because there was an exchange in the House of Commons only on May 8th with a parliamentary secretary for whatever.

00:07:12.720 Carney wasn't in and the bloc kept pushing and she responded twice, outright saying 50 percent plus one is the bar.

00:07:21.660 Then it was that bloc member kept pushing that to get a distinctive answer and both times literally outright said 50 percent plus one.

00:07:28.220 so Carney is in conflict with his own parliamentary

00:07:30.640 secretary on this one

00:07:32.440 and

00:07:33.620 that's the thing to remember is the bloc pushing all

00:07:36.640 this not Paulie because he's

00:07:38.580 a federalist but if you guys are

00:07:40.620 saying that you understand that you're telling

00:07:42.460 Quebec that that's where the bar is going to be too

00:07:44.380 and they're not going to take that very

00:07:45.760 well or lightly so

00:07:47.660 there's much more to this than just

00:07:50.340 these things that Carney's putting out

00:07:51.940 he better watch the line he's

00:07:54.420 walking they're not afraid of Alberta but

00:07:56.160 But you can certainly inspire a province that's on the brink of electing a Paris-Quebecois government to elect them with a stronger mandate.

00:08:03.980 It just adds to the confusion of the whole thing.

00:08:07.520 We've got a confusing question.

00:08:09.740 We really don't know what it means.

00:08:11.920 And then now we don't know what a victory would mean.

00:08:15.280 As Derek said, is it 56%?

00:08:17.460 Is it 52%?

00:08:19.120 It's just all adding to the confusion. 1.00

00:08:21.340 And the question is garbage. 0.98

00:08:22.780 I mean, it's not cared at all. 0.98

00:08:24.240 Well, we'll get into the, we'll get a little further in the muckiness of the question in a moment, but I want to talk about the Bloc. This is one of these times where I'm really jealous of Quebecers. And we do this to ourselves. I mean, the Conservatives, you know, are the super dominant party in Alberta because they tend to represent, they're at least the least hostile to Western aspirations.

00:08:47.540 Actually, Conservative MPs are obviously pro-Alberta, but they're shackled by the national organization of the party from truly representing Alberta in many ways because they're trying to win votes in Quebec, in Ontario, in the BC Lower Mainland, in the Atlantic.

00:09:03.560 That's why you will never see a Conservative MP stand up and say, why do we have twice the population of all four Atlantic provinces, but half the senators of just Nova Scotia?

00:09:14.540 you would never see that

00:09:16.540 because then you're going to get in trouble

00:09:17.880 and lose voters

00:09:20.440 in Nova Scotia. So that's kind of one of the

00:09:22.440 advantages the bloc has. But there was

00:09:24.260 I don't know her name, but some bloc 1.00

00:09:26.580 lady MP was 1.00

00:09:28.480 going on about this.

00:09:30.680 The Clarity Act

00:09:31.820 is controversial in Quebec and always

00:09:34.620 has been and

00:09:35.840 for a few reasons.

00:09:38.660 I think there's probably pretty

00:09:40.520 broad agreement that we should have a clear

00:09:42.440 majority, although again, we don't

00:09:44.400 necessarily agree what is clear majority but more or less agreement on the principle of a clear

00:09:48.360 majority and a clear question Quebecers are uh they're actually not sure about that because

00:09:54.720 they've had two unclear questions the 1981 was really unclear again we'll talk about that the

00:09:59.200 two-stage referendum thing um but then after it's like yeah you then you need the unanimous consent

00:10:04.300 of all the other provinces and everything uh but the the bloc mp was going on about how this is a

00:10:10.700 matter for people in that province to decide

00:10:12.560 the government of that province decides the question

00:10:14.580 and the people decide the answer and it's

00:10:16.660 not for Ottawa to then decide

00:10:18.720 if it was legitimate or not

00:10:20.420 and the Bloc has been hammering on

00:10:21.920 about that hard so this is

00:10:24.220 making huge waves

00:10:25.820 in Quebec right now

00:10:28.140 I don't know maybe you

00:10:29.960 we have two 0.84

00:10:32.520 Daves so you're Dent

00:10:33.440 that's why you got the name because we already have two Daves

00:10:36.160 but maybe you can go on about

00:10:38.360 the role that the Bloc is playing in this

00:10:40.640 oddly enough kind of being the only ones in the house of commons standing up for at least the

00:10:46.560 right of albertans to decide for us well yeah i think it is kind of odd but i mean this is well

00:10:52.480 with the party quebec leader just came out and said that you know um carney's uh comments about

00:10:57.660 the whole 50 plus one were out of line and basically was just saying that um daniel smith

00:11:01.460 was just doing her job as premier for putting that on the october ballot but i really don't

00:11:07.140 know when we talk about a clear majority or like what the question even is in terms of like the

00:11:10.760 history of the Quebec referendums and this one like they're going about the Clarity Act and what

00:11:14.480 have you but I mean it seems to me just odd in general how we couldn't just put a question

00:11:19.280 on Quebec referendum or an Alberta referendum that basically just says would you like Alberta

00:11:23.840 to stay part of Canada yes no how difficult is that really basically well no well that question

00:11:29.520 I think still would accomplish even less because that's just saying I'd like to break up with you

00:11:35.680 that's not saying i'm going to break up with you or we are breaking up that's just saying i i don't

00:11:40.560 i'm not happy with our relationship yeah so there's no point there's no point in that i

00:11:45.040 think it's there's a point in having an a b question i like the idea of a b rather than yes

00:11:50.000 no but yes but what you do is you'd phrase it as should alberta remain a part of canada province of

00:11:54.720 canada or should it become an independent country not should we then begin the process of it yeah

00:12:00.080 so uh so we'll get into this question so as i said uh smith government is arguing that hey

00:12:08.640 look this will just get another injunction against it because we haven't done this

00:12:11.840 pre-consultation stuff uh and we don't want yet another injunction so that's why we're going this

00:12:18.560 weird route um and then and then it's uh the other side saying no no that those court rulings were

00:12:25.840 only applying to citizens initiative they were not applying to a government-sponsored referendum

00:12:30.000 question you know i i don't know i i've seen pretty compelling but mutually contradictory

00:12:36.240 information on both sides i i don't know cory maybe you've got something to add to that i mean

00:12:42.480 well the the way i would put is i think the judge's decision is wrong and i don't think

00:12:46.240 consultation should apply to these questions whether it's petitioned or set by the premier

00:12:51.280 but i think when you see precedent in a court saying that principle needs to be applied to

00:12:55.360 the petitioning i don't see how another judge would come around and say it's become any different

00:12:59.280 because the government has put the question forth.

00:13:01.720 They're going to apply the same levy thing

00:13:03.440 and say, now it's been said,

00:13:05.060 we need some sort of bar of consultation.

00:13:07.660 And until they feel satisfied they've seen a process or something,

00:13:10.980 they'll throw another injunction on it.

00:13:12.520 So I'm inclined to believe the premier here in that

00:13:15.360 I think it's an undemocratic wrong decision,

00:13:17.680 but we're going to be stuck with these undemocratic wrong decisions

00:13:20.820 until either it finishes a full appeal or some sort of...

00:13:25.020 Well, who's going to take the new question to court?

00:13:26.900 first nations yeah possibly probably yeah they probably will and what and what happens if they

00:13:34.460 yeah so another judge shuts down this question and does that kill the referendum entirely well

00:13:42.260 i guess presumably what could happen if you go through the appeals and all that either gets

00:13:47.320 thrown out or part of it i think that's part of part of why smith phrased that question is it is

00:13:52.400 is beginning the process then to do it within the confines of the law,

00:13:56.440 you would start something you would call a consultation process.

00:13:59.480 You'd say, look, we're looking to hold the question.

00:14:01.580 Here's a bunch of public meetings with a bunch of chiefs.

00:14:03.580 Here's some Tim Hortons and donuts.

00:14:04.960 Let's get together, talk it all out, express what we want to do.

00:14:09.160 And we know it'll never be enough, but at least…

00:14:11.220 You said on your show it would never be enough.

00:14:13.300 No.

00:14:13.480 Because somebody will always complain.

00:14:14.920 But at least you could go to a judge and say, well, look, we tried.

00:14:17.500 We did what we could.

00:14:19.140 We did put a process in.

00:14:20.440 And we did communicate with leaders and, you know, legal scholars.

00:14:24.660 You can always find some to stay on every side who would say this doesn't impact treaty rights.

00:14:29.280 But there's no clear path.

00:14:30.680 That's the thing we're certainly seeing right now, for sure.

00:14:33.040 That there's no easy way to get a yes or no question on that ballot now.

00:14:40.620 For the, but if you're going to, if this bizarre consultation before you even ask the question,

00:14:46.860 if that was a thing that was going to be

00:14:49.920 upheld in courts and it would be crazy

00:14:51.780 and for all of you conservative

00:14:53.920 federalists who are happy

00:14:55.840 that this happened

00:14:57.140 this is just applying the duty to

00:15:00.040 consult

00:15:00.560 which in principle isn't a bad thing it's actually a good

00:15:04.060 thing that you know indigenous groups should be

00:15:06.000 consulted if it affects their

00:15:07.560 rights well it's not consent

00:15:09.040 it's not a veto but duty to consult

00:15:12.220 in its earlier principles

00:15:14.120 I think it's a good thing

00:15:15.580 it's it's it's their natural right but um that was been that's been taken from things like

00:15:21.500 pipelines and whatnot and now if the duty consult is now applied before you even consider to do

00:15:27.160 something that means you can't even literally draft a pipe theoretically it would mean you

00:15:32.540 couldn't uh present a proposal to a government to build a pipeline or to build a mine or drill

00:15:39.960 an oil well without first consulting like you literally have to put the wagon before the horse

00:15:44.160 here. So be careful with what you're cheering for, this kind of court precedent. But I don't

00:15:50.660 know where I stand on this issue. I'm still developing my thoughts around this two tiers.

00:15:55.620 I think it is absurd to have a referendum to have a referendum. But I'm going to put something

00:16:00.600 forward here, which maybe strengthens the case for it. Quebec has had two sort of independence

00:16:06.920 referendums. The second one, which, you know, we really remember better in 1995, talked about

00:16:12.520 Sovereignty Association, and it was muddled. The 1981, put forward by the René-Levesque PQ

00:16:18.700 government, was even more muddled. Let me read this for you, if everyone could just bear with

00:16:23.780 me for a moment. The government of Quebec, this is a weird, okay. The government of Quebec has

00:16:30.020 made public its proposal to negotiate a new agreement with the rest of Canada

00:16:34.800 based on the equality of nations. This agreement would enable Quebec to acquire

00:16:40.320 the exclusive power to make its laws, levy its taxes, and establish relations abroad.

00:16:45.780 In other words, sovereignty.

00:16:48.040 At the same time, to maintain with Canada an economic association including common currency,

00:16:54.120 any change in political status resulting from these negotiations

00:16:57.040 will only be implemented with popular approval through another referendum.

00:17:01.620 On these terms, do you give the government of Quebec

00:17:05.180 the mandate to negotiate the proposed agreement between Quebec and Canada?

00:17:10.320 so Quebec had a referendum to have a referendum it was saying it kind of fleshed out what they

00:17:15.760 want as the end goal which was independence but still an economic union sort of but quasi-independent

00:17:23.760 sort of that's what they use the term sovereignty not independence uh but it was a referendum to

00:17:28.640 hold a referendum and in all honesty you know there would have to be an enabling at the end

00:17:37.040 like so say we just had a straight referendum on independence and then we go through a clarity act

00:17:41.040 process uh and there's different ways that that could end but ultimately there would now then

00:17:46.800 need to be some kind of instrument declaring independence so it could even even a straight

00:17:52.480 independence referendum that was successful this october could theoretically result in another

00:17:57.760 referendum anyway this might just be in a weird way a way of it's just a softer way of maybe putting

00:18:06.720 it because even quebec had a two stage it was that that's a referendum to hold a referendum and

00:18:11.600 they lost i'm sorry doesn't it seem to me that back now they've got all the things they were

00:18:18.240 asking for yes predominantly but uh well well not a hundred percent like they don't have they

00:18:24.880 have caused by embassies but they don't have they've got immigration control uh which is a huge

00:18:30.960 one partial immigration it's what uh premier smith is after uh that you know uh police can

00:18:37.120 police controls and stuff like that so it seems to me by holding this referendum they created uh

00:18:43.360 a political well you're talking that's the next strategy um so they look they got most of what

00:18:50.000 they want there but they don't have their own you know there's no quebec army and navy and they don't

00:18:54.080 have formal embassies abroad even though they have accaches to most countries that they're interested

00:18:58.880 in those embassies etc they got most of what they want actually they get better because they get to

00:19:03.600 keep all the money from alberta that's going there so it they got better than what they were really

00:19:07.600 asking for um but anyway my point is here that uh okay i'm not sure i generally don't like a

00:19:15.920 referendum hold a referendum but it act practically speaking it may have been inevitable anyway so

00:19:20.800 this is a way of maybe just starting the ball rolling so i'm not trying to make excuses for

00:19:26.880 what they're doing here because i think it is silly but it actually kind of might line up with

00:19:31.540 what the reality of the situation is another reality and keith wilson kind of laid it out too

00:19:35.840 he said the quiet part out loud i mean there's been a lot of independence talk for a year now

00:19:39.820 more than we've ever seen in our lives and the bar where the support for solid independence

00:19:45.700 hasn't budged it's been sitting around that 30-ish percent zone despite all the ground

00:19:51.360 organization despite all the debate everything else it hasn't moved uh the winning conditions

00:19:57.440 I mean Quebec's always talked about that they're not having another one till they get the winning

00:20:00.400 conditions well I don't think we have them and this question might be more winnable than a binary

00:20:06.040 up and down like they were talking about maybe we weren't in a position anyways this could be a

00:20:09.380 blessing in disguise campaign on this you can win a lot of people on the fence who want to use it

00:20:14.700 for leverage who want to send a message because they know it's non-binding but you can start that

00:20:19.940 process and mechanism and then yeah it might lead to another referendum the next referendum

00:20:23.620 you're going to be a heck of a lot better prepared but that one would be the final one

00:20:27.380 that would be the case i'm making is that constitutionally and in the reality of the

00:20:33.300 politics is we probably would have two referendums anyway yeah yeah it's kind of a dry run for the

00:20:38.100 real thing then really in essence yeah yeah so yeah i don't know i don't mean it's excuse making

00:20:42.980 because it is all floppy and flimsy and it's weird it is weird but but here's the weird thing

00:20:50.180 one of the weird things is unlike the quebec independence movement alberta's quebec independence

00:20:54.820 movement has always been clear we don't want a weaselly question we want a straight up or down

00:20:59.700 independence or status quo that's it whereas quebec has always been you know they put a whole

00:21:05.700 paragraph on a ballot for god's sakes that's that's a weird we never liked that we and and

00:21:11.680 canadians generally were rightfully contemptuous of these weird quebec questions designed to try

00:21:17.820 and get a bigger better vote um but it's uh the federal courts that have said alberta's not allowed

00:21:24.480 to have a clear question uh essentially alberta's not allowed to comply with the clarity act that's

00:21:30.400 what a whole bunch of this debate has really come down to though is that we're fighting to whether

00:21:34.440 or not we're even allowed to ask the damn question you know that was never a question in quebec it 0.92

00:21:37.920 was never questioned whether or not they could have a referendum they could question whether or 0.97

00:21:41.700 not the referendum was valid with the question they asked and a lot of other things but what's

00:21:46.500 happening right now is they're pulling out all the stops to say we can't even have the referendum

00:21:51.160 and they're putting the roadblocks in that way i mean we're even hearing now about the indigenous

00:21:57.620 guys are getting up to challenge this weird mushy middle question we've got going on is it going to

00:22:04.000 be allowed even to ever have that question asked and lose it or win it or not. That's the debate

00:22:09.360 that's happening in Alberta. Well, let's lay the blame where it belongs. It's in the courts.

00:22:13.800 You've got judicial activism that are now stopping the will of the people. And I don't think that was

00:22:21.560 the intent. I was just going to say, you think that's just going to make more people angry and

00:22:25.360 maybe get on the pro-independence side then? Because of the fact they won't even let you

00:22:28.320 have a question? Possibly. It's part of the case to make. And I mean, it's really, there's lots of

00:22:32.520 people theorizing on what happened, how we got here.

00:22:34.560 My political theory on what Premier

00:22:36.520 Smith was hoping to accomplish

00:22:38.100 was building some leverage.

00:22:40.500 I don't think she's a secessionist.

00:22:42.700 I don't think she ever was.

00:22:44.020 But you get that question out

00:22:46.540 there. You get that ball rolling. You let them

00:22:48.600 petition for it. It wasn't her. It was the

00:22:50.580 process. So we're disrespecting that process.

00:22:53.040 And then she would hope that it would come in

00:22:54.640 with 25 or 30% support

00:22:56.660 in the fall. And she's got a

00:22:58.580 whole heck of a lot of leverage then 1.00

00:23:00.680 to start twisting arms for pipelines 1.00

00:23:02.880 for things where she can say, 0.95

00:23:04.560 look, if you don't want that to turn to 50

00:23:05.820 the next time they get a chance,

00:23:07.180 we need this, this, this, and this.

00:23:09.140 You know, I suspect that's where she wanted to go,

00:23:10.980 but all that's kind of fallen apart.

00:23:13.420 Yeah.

00:23:14.840 Well, this raises an interesting point here.

00:23:20.340 Most countries that have declared independence

00:23:22.260 did not do so through referenda.

00:23:25.280 They normally did so through some form

00:23:28.140 of a vote in a legislature.

00:23:30.420 Singapore, 1965, no referendum.

00:23:33.460 It was the parliament.

00:23:34.900 Kosovo, here's an interesting example.

00:23:37.660 The United States, the Continental Congress,

00:23:39.560 they didn't have a referendum in the 13 colonies.

00:23:42.240 They're delegates from the colonial 13 colony legislatures

00:23:46.480 sent to the Continental Congress.

00:23:49.300 They declared independence.

00:23:51.740 Bangladesh, Rhodesia, and then most of the Soviet breakaway republics.

00:23:57.520 So Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldovia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and Russia itself.

00:24:04.980 They didn't have, because technically Russia separated from the Soviet Union.

00:24:09.500 They were like the last one to do it.

00:24:12.320 Did actually, no, maybe Belarus never did.

00:24:14.380 They really liked the Soviet Union.

00:24:15.720 I think Belarus maybe stuck around.

00:24:17.100 You look tight at the hip.

00:24:17.960 Yeah, but they never had referenda.

00:24:20.520 And so this is raising the interesting prospect then that if they will not allow Albertans to have a clear vote on a clear question on independence, do we then default to what is actually the historical model and the Alberta legislature simply votes itself into independence if that's its wish?

00:24:43.240 Because that's the way it's pretty much always been done.

00:24:46.200 It has, but I mean, it's the precedent that's been set in Canada to put it to the people.

00:24:49.760 But if they don't allow it, then that's the only route.

00:24:54.040 Well, no, there's another route, which is a real dangerous one.

00:24:56.920 And that's something I've talked about in the past, too.

00:24:59.700 If you close off the bottle and don't allow a democratic mechanism, and I don't want or suggest anybody do it.

00:25:06.960 But I think, and I've said it before, the part of the reason that the FLQ vanished, finally, after murdering people and setting bombs, is because a democratic route opened up.

00:25:16.260 Because René Lévesque said, we can do this through a referendum.

00:25:18.800 we can do this peacefully we can get out yeah of the federation and the the extremists settled

00:25:25.320 down or at least stopped that aspect of it stopped kidnapping killing exactly and it never resurfaced

00:25:30.420 again but if you suddenly start telling provinces like go back and alberta you can't even entertain

00:25:37.020 the question they're you know when you're talking about millions of people unfortunately all it takes 0.93

00:25:42.220 is a handful of the real crazed extreme somebody might do something really stupid i i think there's 0.77

00:25:47.100 another level of irresponsibility in trying to shut down the ability to peacefully do this 0.96

00:25:51.760 I know what you're saying with the European thing but that was sort of a it was a little

00:25:55.480 different too because those countries were all already defined I mean they'd had some degree

00:25:58.680 of independence and they kind of got sucked into the Soviet block most of them had not

00:26:03.260 some of them had been given like Ukraine had never been independent except for a few months

00:26:08.100 at the end of the first world war after the treaty of Brest-Litovsk Ukraine had never existed as an

00:26:12.560 independent country there were people there but how you define ukraine and if it was fuzzy lines

00:26:17.180 i mean it was still in poland or uh kazakhstan i mean a lot of the things that these were a lot of

00:26:23.060 these had not been properly defined nation states on their own ever and i mean it's only been in the

00:26:27.780 last hundred and some years where we have better defined what nation states are too i mean those

00:26:31.740 borders were were mushy but i just think it's it's we're getting into dangerous turf if we take away

00:26:36.680 the mechanism that we brought about yeah this is the same a democratic way to go because if you

00:26:40.860 don't then i guess there are two other options one is a legislature declares it so which is

00:26:46.480 the most common in the kind of the west and the free world and you know somewhat democratic world

00:26:52.700 uh and then the other one is revolutionary which nobody wants to go down but if you close off those

00:26:58.840 legitimate democratic mechanisms that leaves out as the only one and no one wants to go there

00:27:03.860 and that's what fabio's been after right he wants to vote in the legislature even though he whiffle

00:27:08.980 waffles yeah and changes his mind but he would be happy with a vote in the legislature well then i'm

00:27:14.020 sure it could go the other way your legislature could vote absolutely if it was truly landing

00:27:19.220 just in the the lapse of the legislature though uh that legislature needs a very strong mandate

00:27:24.580 somehow from the people who have brought it in yeah that lends towards kind of what jeff raff

00:27:29.220 and mitch sylvester are talking about well we've got to take over the government if we want this

00:27:32.660 to happen great pivot okay that's not even a pivot that's a segue okay uh oh and you know

00:27:39.380 and i'm coming to you first on that cory oh so um hey you're the best selling canadian author

00:27:49.620 so um i mean we all know the history uh the alberta premier's job especially as a conservative

00:27:57.620 is the least secure job in canada no one no alberta oh sorry in canada yes

00:28:02.660 i was going to say the hezbollah guys they would have a

00:28:08.340 but you did say in canada are you saying that the operating alberta premier is the hezbollah

00:28:12.180 of canada that's not what i'm saying that's what i heard um so uh like no alberta conservative

00:28:21.460 premier has finished single term since ralph klein in 2004 our longest serving premier

00:28:28.260 has been rachel notley because she just she at least was elected and served out a term 0.97

00:28:33.300 she's the longest lasting one we've had that is crazy um and you know uh the last time uh

00:28:41.700 you know it was uh jc kenney comes in uses a lot of the same rhetoric uh you know very

00:28:47.460 anti-ottawa we're gonna hold a referendum on into on uh non-independence but on

00:28:50.900 money uh he does that zilch happens just crickets from ottawa he blows up his own base even says he

00:28:59.340 wants a new one uh during uh during covid um and he's out still trying to you know redeem himself

00:29:07.520 here but um smith uh has been on track to be the first conservative since 2004 and ralph klein

00:29:15.780 to finish term uh i think the money is still pretty good that she will but this is the first

00:29:23.740 time where there's at least some small cracks and you know people have called for her at her last 0.92

00:29:29.200 leadership review uh you know for people to vote against her they got annihilated she got like 93

00:29:34.300 she spiked the ball that was a dominating dominating review um but now that we've got

00:29:42.220 this convoluted question

00:29:44.400 to ask a question.

00:29:47.380 Some people

00:29:48.280 in the independence movement are saying,

00:29:50.700 okay, she's betrayed us, and

00:29:52.600 she's got to go. 0.99

00:29:54.380 They want to use the same mechanism to force 1.00

00:29:56.540 a leadership review, an unscheduled leadership

00:29:58.440 review, as was used against Kenny. You get, I think,

00:30:00.980 roughly 23, 24

00:30:02.220 constituency associations to pass a motion

00:30:04.300 requesting one.

00:30:06.720 Then you essentially get

00:30:08.300 a recall vote on the leader.

00:30:12.220 Corey, we'll get into how advisable or not this is in a bit, but what's your take on how serious

00:30:20.380 a challenge that is right now in our leadership? Well, things are so volatile, nothing should be

00:30:23.980 taken for granted right now. I mean, we've hit so much unprecedented waters in this last couple of

00:30:28.060 years, I won't say anything is impossible. It's Alberta. But it means, yeah, as you said,

00:30:33.020 the precedence there, it just seems to be a curse for premiers for the last couple of decades.

00:30:37.260 at the same time.

00:30:40.400 One of the things, though,

00:30:41.340 might have shown a little slipping

00:30:42.580 in a recent poll,

00:30:43.380 but it might not be a difference

00:30:44.760 between Smith and Kenny.

00:30:46.120 Smith's sitting pretty good in the polls.

00:30:47.920 Yeah, Kenny was...

00:30:48.440 Kenny was lined up to have

00:30:50.200 annihilated in a general election.

00:30:51.960 So a lot of the party loyal

00:30:53.160 at that point would be looking at,

00:30:54.840 well, if I want to keep my job,

00:30:56.040 we've got to get rid of this.

00:30:57.540 And we're not seeing that

00:30:59.060 so much with Smith. 0.59

00:31:00.620 So the organization to try and take her,

00:31:02.660 I think, is serious,

00:31:03.540 and they know how to do it,

00:31:05.180 and they've done it before. 0.85

00:31:06.580 So, I mean, it could cause enough disruption even just to lead to the end of her term.

00:31:10.500 It has to be taken seriously.

00:31:12.040 But I don't know if the existing circumstances are there to make it as possible as they may think it is.

00:31:18.720 Because there's not as many people fearing for their jobs as MLAs and so on within her caucus right now as there was in Jason Kenney's circumstance.

00:31:25.840 Yeah, and also with Jason Kenney, there was kind of two big things.

00:31:29.040 The media focused on one of the real things that took him out, which was his, you know, from our perspective, overreaction and over-authoritarianism as it involved COVID.

00:31:39.920 That was a huge one, of course.

00:31:41.640 But also, you know, a lot of people were kind of the same people with the overlap of the Venn diagram here, but they, it was also, he was perceived as weak on Ottawa.

00:31:50.800 He came in with all this anti-Ottawa rhetoric, and then it turned out to all be meaningless bluster.

00:31:56.160 So that was a major motivating factor against him as well.

00:31:59.820 I don't think Danielle is perceived as weak on Ottawa,

00:32:02.540 although, you know, she has been seen as cozy a bit with Carney

00:32:06.440 over the MOU and whatnot, and there's a lot of very fair

00:32:09.700 and realistic skepticism about, you know,

00:32:12.560 are we selling the farm about that?

00:32:14.060 I tend to think we are now. 1.00

00:32:16.740 But she hasn't generated a mass right-wing populist revolt against her

00:32:22.320 the way Kenny did with COVID lockdowns and mandates.

00:32:26.600 Like, there simply aren't hundreds of thousands of people

00:32:29.680 who've been fired from their jobs

00:32:31.060 because of something Daniel Smith did.

00:32:33.380 People who have been arrested for going to church.

00:32:36.120 That kind of groundswell simply doesn't exist.

00:32:39.640 But, you know, the independence movement is big.

00:32:42.780 It's, I hate to say it's not, it's sort of organized,

00:32:46.760 but I mean, it's, it's herds of chicken herds.

00:32:50.280 Yeah, it's never been particularly organized, but there's no, there isn't that big groundswell of support of people who have been personally harmed by her.

00:33:03.500 I don't know, I'll put it to you this way, Corey. Is this really to get her out or is this maybe to scare her into changing the question?

00:33:11.700 uh i just to disclose i spent my last weekend in saskatchewan with mitch sylvester the two of us on

00:33:18.240 uh speaking uh uh engagements you know we had separate rooms so our discussion was still only

00:33:23.440 limited but no i think he he's genuinely furious enough that he wants the premier replaced uh the

00:33:30.880 other principal in the alberta prosperity project has probably wanted smith replaced for years if

00:33:37.320 you look at his past yeah but rhetoric he's just he has a particular beef with the premier so

00:33:42.120 they are serious they really want her out uh i think some who would be supportive of them would

00:33:49.160 just much prefer that she just changed that question and then they would back off they 0.96

00:33:52.880 could see this fine just give us that darn question and then we'll lay off so they feel

00:33:57.160 that that would be a route to go but how do you put the pressure on without starting the gears i 0.88

00:34:00.900 guess, they feel of bringing about an SGM. Something that's been telling is that this

00:34:09.020 question's been out for a week now. Groups are getting going. They're getting organized. They're

00:34:13.960 campaigning. And the Alberta Prosperity Project, which is now the primary group again, hasn't

00:34:18.560 updated their website in four months. Like they, whatever they're doing, it's internal right now.

00:34:24.020 and

00:34:25.260 the problem is you've got a battle

00:34:28.560 at the top between two

00:34:30.420 gentlemen who have huge

00:34:32.520 egos, delusions of

00:34:34.660 grandeur and

00:34:36.340 they're headbutting each other all the time

00:34:38.020 and they're more concerned about what's going

00:34:40.520 on in the circle around them

00:34:42.620 than they are getting their message

00:34:44.540 out on independence

00:34:45.820 so

00:34:48.500 they've got to figure it out

00:34:50.700 I mean you talked about it on your show

00:34:52.760 They haven't even updated their website.

00:34:55.080 There's no, doesn't appear to be a clear leader in the group.

00:34:58.860 They need to figure their stuff out.

00:35:00.720 Well, yeah, and I mean, I understand if they're doing a bunch of internal battles or whatever going on,

00:35:04.680 but at least, I mean, you got the resources, I imagine.

00:35:06.980 You got a large group, just pay your webmaster.

00:35:09.400 Just say, throw a few press releases on this thing.

00:35:11.520 Knock the dust off it.

00:35:12.820 Let's put out a couple of statements.

00:35:14.300 So I want to talk about two front war here.

00:35:16.660 um i mean even if again i don't know legally is smith and company correct here that like this is

00:35:25.120 just the best question that we can get away with without another injunction stopping it

00:35:28.600 or those saying no that doesn't apply if the government just puts the question on i don't know

00:35:34.380 um but launching a two-front war here where you're fighting a referendum on one side

00:35:40.620 The Federalists are better organized, they're better funded, they've got bigger names attached to them, and like them or not, they're viewed as credible, noteworthy people, and they're smart, they're attacking it from multiple angles.

00:35:57.200 You've got the left-wing campaign with Denchie, which isn't even really a federalist campaign.

00:36:03.220 It's just a pro-NDP, anti-UCP campaign at this point.

00:36:05.620 But then you've also got another kind of center-left one with Thomas Lukasik.

00:36:08.720 And then you've got J.C. Kenney's group with some other kind of conservative federalists.

00:36:15.340 And then there's just kind of this hodgepodge on the Alberta nationalist side.

00:36:20.940 And it's already an upbilled client.

00:36:23.380 the best polls are 35 38 is the very very best polls we've ever seen so kind of 30 to 38 percent

00:36:31.780 so you're already on a huge uphill climb to win this thing the others the federalists are better

00:36:37.840 funded better organized more recognizable people as spokesmen um and then this side that already

00:36:45.000 is fighting an uphill war proposes uh a kind of schlieffen plan here and uh danielle smith is 0.68

00:36:51.720 france and quickly knock out danielle smith and then run a leadership race ostensibly and try to 0.98

00:36:58.920 win that it's actually maybe it's three front so you have to take out danielle smith you've got to

00:37:03.340 win a leadership race and i don't know who the nationalist candidate is for premier at that point

00:37:07.800 you got to win that uh then somehow unify the party all before october 19th um so you have left

00:37:15.980 you probably won't even have that done by october 19th the referendum comes and goes before that

00:37:21.140 actually happens um and then but even if it was done even if they had a no pun intended a blitz

00:37:27.300 leadership race and you get that done you've left no time and no resources for actually fighting the

00:37:32.800 referendum in the meantime you got like three or four big organized well-funded federalist camps

00:37:37.820 which are the one you got here use your analogies yeah you're giving the eastern front four free

00:37:43.560 months of organization knowing that you're going to be coming in so you know what do you think's

00:37:49.420 gonna happen when you start that campaign they've already built the wall you're up yeah and there's

00:37:53.540 no guarantee you defeat france in a in a few weeks right like it's smith stronger than france was a

00:37:59.260 lot stronger so um it's it's it's fighting a two or more front war with no time to do it so even if

00:38:08.720 you are really angry at smith here and you think she's betrayed the alberta nationalists from

00:38:14.120 having the right to have their referendum, I don't see plausibly how that fixes things.

00:38:21.620 I think what you do is, like, you just throw everything into the referendum.

00:38:25.480 You might hate it.

00:38:26.320 You throw everything into it.

00:38:28.400 Win, lose, or draw.

00:38:30.200 Because 50% plus one is a draw, I guess.

00:38:34.460 Then you reassess, you know, was Smith fair to us?

00:38:37.760 And then you could decide where to go with that.

00:38:41.120 But this, I don't know.

00:38:42.700 although this just seems to be terrible strategically it seems to be emotionally

00:38:47.880 driven rather than maybe a rational political move or something yeah it's and that's the whole

00:38:53.640 problem yeah they're too emotional yeah you got to be rational we're out on cbc yeah see i'm on

00:39:01.060 truce i'm trying to bite my tongue and a lot of stuff that's my one shot i haven't even seen his

00:39:05.560 name yet well we don't have a lot of time we're nearing the end here but uh maybe we'll get into

00:39:11.560 the Federalist

00:39:13.200 camps. There's a few. I don't remember all of their

00:39:15.580 names, but there's... What was the NDP one

00:39:17.660 called?

00:39:19.200 Whatever. There's an NDP one.

00:39:21.280 There's the NDP one.

00:39:24.280 There's Forever Canada.

00:39:25.420 We just released one today.

00:39:27.420 Our friend Stephen Carter.

00:39:29.260 They're launching a bunch of these so they can all spend

00:39:31.420 up to the maximum on advertising.

00:39:33.180 They're all going to work kind of in junction

00:39:35.440 together,

00:39:37.760 but separately because they're trying to appeal

00:39:39.500 to different crowds. The NDP one is

00:39:41.560 really just trying to build

00:39:43.680 lists and raise money for the NDP. Nenshi does

00:39:45.600 not seem to actually be trying to convince people

00:39:47.600 to stay in Canada. He's trying to convince people to dip.

00:39:49.900 Daniel Smith's bad for allowing this to happen

00:39:51.660 and he should vote for me. But it's going to

00:39:53.660 allow them to spend money and build lists and organization

00:39:55.660 here and whatnot.

00:39:57.460 You've got all of these different groups.

00:40:00.440 Because it's not like

00:40:01.600 Quebec where you had the yes side and the

00:40:03.580 no side. Here you've got

00:40:05.620 on the Federalist side or no side

00:40:07.680 for lack of a better term.

00:40:08.460 uh jason kenny like nenshi cannot appeal to a moderate conservative voter who's angry at ottawa

00:40:16.220 and maybe thinking about voting for independence because as soon as nenshi says

00:40:19.860 don't do that you're gonna say f you i'm voting against the purple man um so he he can't be the

00:40:25.780 right guy same with jason kenny saying yes uh you know ottawa may have been mean to us but this is

00:40:33.120 not the way to do it a new democrat uh well they're still gonna vote to stay in canada but

00:40:37.180 But they're not going to be happy about Kenny as their spokesman.

00:40:39.620 So they've got multiple campaigns going after different groups.

00:40:44.080 Whereas the independent side, it's maybe vaguely won, but it's run haphazardly.

00:40:50.300 And it can't decide if the Federalists are the enemy or if Danielle Smith is.

00:40:53.920 But don't forget, Derek, that Danielle Smith has said she's going to spend the summer crisscrossing Alberta to encourage people to stay in Canada.

00:41:02.540 And that infuriated the independent side.

00:41:04.000 Yeah.

00:41:04.660 That will be a bad move on her part, I think. 0.80

00:41:06.420 that would not be smart for her leadership

00:41:08.420 why 1.00

00:41:08.840 it's essentially

00:41:11.620 it's a de facto agreement of detente 0.96

00:41:14.600 she'll allow a vote but she'll 0.99

00:41:16.520 just let the people decide she says she'll 0.89

00:41:18.660 vote to stay but if she actively gets involved

00:41:20.740 in campaigning she is then

00:41:22.640 seen as the enemy of the independent side 0.89

00:41:24.320 that would not be smart for her

00:41:25.840 seeing her as what has to be taken out 0.98

00:41:28.040 versus winning a yes

00:41:29.080 but as we've discussed there's no time for that

00:41:31.960 not enough

00:41:33.180 enough of them need to realize there's not enough time

00:41:36.380 And if Smith takes those realizing it...

00:41:39.040 He gives them a reason then.

00:41:39.980 Yeah, then it's not just two upset folks

00:41:43.220 with a handful of chips on their shoulder.

00:41:44.780 They might actually make a case to their Raptor ship.

00:41:47.360 We'll see.

00:41:47.920 A lot's going to happen, I think,

00:41:48.720 in this next two or three weeks

00:41:49.580 for them to figure out what they're doing.

00:41:51.100 Yeah.

00:41:51.660 Okay.

00:41:52.460 You know what?

00:41:52.820 That was great.

00:41:53.280 I kind of like this pipeline

00:41:54.960 where we're not just rushing through 15-minute segments

00:41:57.340 on a few different things,

00:41:58.420 but we're getting more into it.

00:41:59.760 We can't do that every week

00:42:00.600 because we often don't have this much material

00:42:02.060 on essentially a single topic.

00:42:04.240 But we did this week.

00:42:05.120 So that works better.

00:42:05.740 I like this.

00:42:06.380 So we're not getting to Wab the Canoe, your great headline?

00:42:09.720 The best headline we don't get to?

00:42:11.960 Wab rocks the canoe.

00:42:13.640 Well, you know, many of you saw, you know,

00:42:16.680 he was kind of grandstanding at the Western Premier's conference,

00:42:18.820 very, very undiplomatically, but probably good politically

00:42:21.380 for the people he's trying to reach, you know,

00:42:23.940 calling out Daniel Smith saying, you know, doing his thing.

00:42:26.860 But the most important thing is we wrote a great headline.

00:42:30.580 That's the takeaway.

00:42:31.980 Okay, Dave, you get the first parting shot.

00:42:33.860 It was a year or so ago, President Dimwitt stood with the German Chancellor and said there's not a business case to be made for selling LNG to Germany.

00:42:50.180 Flash forward to today, they've announced a big LNG plant in BC that will export LNG to Germany.

00:43:01.020 The sad thing for us is now they're going to have to transport it down south, under South America, and back up.

00:43:09.500 Whereas if we only had a pipeline to the East Coast.

00:43:12.380 Probably go to Panama Canal.

00:43:14.520 Apparently some of the ships are too heavy.

00:43:16.900 They're too wide, and they have to go down south.

00:43:19.420 But if only we had a pipeline, and Germany could pick up their LNG on the East Coast, sail it across the Atlantic, they'd have it a hell of a lot quicker.

00:43:28.680 Thanks, Prime Minister Twitten.

00:43:31.660 Corey?

00:43:32.180 I'll just be quick, just to remind folks.

00:43:33.860 Mark Kearney had a hot mic moment, and I love hot mic moments.

00:43:37.000 And apparently he told Gregor Robertson after a conference,

00:43:39.780 turned to him and said along the lines of, 1.00

00:43:41.700 this is so stupid, there was an off-ramp, why didn't they take it? 1.00

00:43:45.880 He's saying, oh, it was just something I said about Robertson, 1.00

00:43:48.500 but it didn't make any sense.

00:43:49.500 No, he'd been cornered on the independence question.

00:43:51.740 He was clearly referring to Daniel Smith, 1.00

00:43:53.140 saying she's basically being stupid and didn't take an off-ramp. 1.00

00:43:56.260 You get to see the true politicians once in a while when the mic's hot, 1.00

00:43:59.040 they're not paying attention.

00:43:59.860 hot mic that sounds like a good name for a show or the term that would go on the urban dictionary

00:44:05.080 okay yeah something about a starfish i'm sure yeah there we go but so let's note that one

00:44:13.120 okay dent oh well this is kind of a cool one there's this guy called dusty friezen and he

00:44:20.120 just apparently broke a world record driving off a local waterfall in his boat which is called dent

00:44:25.220 his riverboat he set a record of some lenbrek falls i believe down in crow's nest pass apparently

00:44:29.360 it was 29 feet we're just watching the video right now on youtube or i mean on twitter it's

00:44:33.280 got over a million views so this is some pete albertamon stuff right here you have 1.4 million

00:44:39.120 and had you got your name uh this news meeting there today we're talking about the name of the

00:44:42.960 boat he's like why is that called dent i said i don't know because he flies off of waterfalls

00:44:47.120 with it this is actually pretty cool yeah it's it's pretty cool although look like i'm not saying

00:44:51.680 this is nothing like this this is quite a drop 29 feet it says so i'm kind of surprised that would

00:44:57.600 be the world record like i feel like there's guys dumber than that yeah well unfortunately this is

00:45:02.560 the sort of thing that occurs more to be done that's what i said so we'll see the next video

00:45:05.920 and we'll find out why 30 feet we've had people go off niagara falls did we put alberta man in

00:45:10.960 the headline because if not that's him yeah is the story not out no not yet okay well okay well

00:45:17.200 okay this is a great uh screw florida move over florida man alberta man's coming through is he

00:45:23.360 from albert this is like a guy from florida actually yeah i think he works in the oil

00:45:28.880 patch here from what i've seen so no surprise there although those river boats are definitely

00:45:32.880 guys in the patch he's got a photo of it actually okay uh mine is kind of an advertisement um the

00:45:40.160 western standard has finally launched its store six and a half years in the making uh we launched

00:45:45.200 it i think late last week it's blown up since a lot of a lot of anticipation because we've been

00:45:50.480 waiting to do this for years and just never really got around to it. There's all sorts of

00:45:54.580 great stuff. But going with the news, this is how quickly

00:45:58.160 we're acting on the news cycle now. Not only are we doing video and written news content

00:46:02.400 and analysis when the news breaks on something like Stephen Gilbeau

00:46:06.380 saying he's resigning from Parliament, we've got shirts.

00:46:10.880 Show the shirts. Put it up here. Bam. Hats.

00:46:14.260 All sorts of things. I really love this one. Everyone knows how much

00:46:18.180 Stephen Gilboa loved Alberta oil and gas and Saskatchewan oil and gas,

00:46:21.880 how great he was for the human race here.

00:46:26.260 So we quickly turned around.

00:46:27.840 We've got the Stephen Gilboa jumpsuit collection up.

00:46:33.400 So kudos for him.

00:46:34.420 Oh, you can see William right there.

00:46:37.060 Oh, is that William?

00:46:38.440 No, that's Josh talking to William.

00:46:40.100 But there's William's office right back there.

00:46:42.300 He turned around right quick, created the Stephen Gilboa jumpsuit collection.

00:46:47.380 great swag go on there uh the profit margin is very small it's mostly the cost of production

00:46:53.180 and shipping and the small little profit margin we make goes into supporting operations in the

00:46:58.080 newsroom here so check it out get your steven gilbo uh jumpsuit collection items today that's

00:47:05.820 it for me dave cory dent and uh john on production and all of you thank you for joining us today if

00:47:14.180 you're not yet a subscriber for the Western Standard, go to westernstandard.news, click on

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Western Standard - May 28, 2026

All Madness on the Western Front

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