Western Standard - Another day, another residential school mass grave hoax

00:00:00.000 Good day.

00:00:29.740 Welcome to the Corey Morgan Show.

00:00:31.900 Good to see you guys already there in the audience.

00:00:35.700 It's live a minute or so late, but that's all right.

00:00:38.600 We've got lots to cover today.

00:00:39.900 Lots going on for late August, believe it or not.

00:00:42.460 At least not a heck of a lot of issues, but a few good big ones.

00:00:45.940 In a little while, I'm going to have Colin Craig on.

00:00:47.920 He's with secondstreet.org.

00:00:49.340 He did a great documentary out in Japan.

00:00:52.120 I know it sounds a little dry, but it's about healthcare models.

00:00:54.440 But it is important.

00:00:55.180 It's a top issue.

00:00:56.040 and just showing over and over again that despite what the cbc and the rest of them like to feed you

00:01:00.760 canada's system isn't the best in the world in fact it's far far from it uh let's see you guys

00:01:06.200 out in the comments scroll checking in kenzie sharp paradoxy so i thought that said cbc fixes

00:01:12.120 all cb fixes all and tyler good to see you all use that comment scroll just try to keep things

00:01:16.760 somewhat civil if we want to fight and get nasty with each other we've always got x for that all

00:01:22.200 All right, well, let's get on with the title of the show and what's got me going today.

00:01:25.900 I mean, the story, it sounds so familiar, right?

00:01:27.660 A native band in B.C. claims that Radar has identified the graves of murdered children.

00:01:32.780 The CBC repeats the story from the band without checking it.

00:01:35.540 The government lowers the flags in apology, and then the band shuts down communications,

00:01:39.840 refuses to allow any further investigation into the alleged graves,

00:01:43.200 despite having taken millions in tax dollars to do that very thing.

00:01:47.000 The story sounds familiar, because the hoax is proving lucrative,

00:01:50.640 and the grifters won't change the narrative that works.

00:01:53.560 It's been over four years since a band in Kamloops

00:01:56.540 claimed they'd discovered the remains of over 200 murdered children

00:01:59.780 in a field next to a former Indian residential school.

00:02:03.180 So the federal government allocated $246 million

00:02:05.960 to search for the bodies of children at former residential school sites.

00:02:10.020 And the Kamloops band, well, they took $8 million of those dollars in funds

00:02:13.240 and apparently didn't find a thing.

00:02:15.600 I mean, they say they know the location of 200 bodies,

00:02:17.620 but with $8 million to work with,

00:02:19.100 they were incapable of taking a shovel and digging even one of those alleged graves up.

00:02:23.140 It's a hoax. I'm going to say it outright, and the band knows it's a hoax. If they really believed

00:02:27.780 there were children's bodies interred there, a forensic excavation would have begun within weeks

00:02:31.540 of the discovery of the anomalies. The government's willing to give them millions of dollars without

00:02:35.360 oversight, so why should they stop asking for more? And they are asking for more, by the way.

00:02:39.140 They want 12 million now. The claim made in Cheldon, probably mispronouncing it, BC,

00:02:43.300 it's just up north of Vancouver. This is the new one. They're saying radar identified the graves of

00:02:48.720 81 children. When the Kamloops hoax was announced, it made international headlines. This is something

00:02:53.400 that's kind of promising. The response to this latest hoax has been more muted. Only a few

00:02:57.200 outlets have given it any coverage. This one didn't make any waves really, aside from CBC,

00:03:01.720 though, who dutifully called the radar anomalies unmarked graves. After a backlash over that

00:03:06.460 inaccurate and inflammatory reporting, CBC reporter Alana Kelly actually deleted her posting on X

00:03:11.500 where she said graves had been found and locked down her account. People are getting sick and

00:03:15.760 tired of being fed this hoax, not to mention paying for it. Another grift being carried out

00:03:20.060 by many Indigenous bands is to do GPR surveys over known cemeteries and then acting aghast

00:03:24.780 when indications of graves are found. That was done in Garrard, Alberta in 2022. It was reported

00:03:30.100 that a possible mass grave site was there. The news faded away when it became clear that all

00:03:34.100 they did was prove that a cemetery contained bodies. How much funding they got to establish

00:03:39.080 this is unknown. Most burials on native reserves historically and even today, all they mark them

00:03:43.840 is wooden crosses, which deteriorate after a few years. They don't maintain the cemeteries,

00:03:47.760 it's just the way it goes, and they get overgrown. It's common for cemeteries to have

00:03:52.960 large sections of unmarked graves. It doesn't mean the bodies were surreptitiously buried there,

00:03:56.880 there was foul play. Makes for great news copy though when these sites are discovered anew,

00:04:01.680 aren't they? The reluctance to dig these sites proves the motivations of the

00:04:05.600 activists to be fraudulent rather than genuine. In Winnipeg, activists lobbied to have tens of

00:04:09.920 millions of dollars dedicated to digging up a local landfill to find the bodies of two murdered

00:04:14.220 women suspected to be in there. It was claimed that burial for Indigenous people is sacred and

00:04:18.760 these bodies must be found and properly interred at any cost. Why then aren't the alleged bodies

00:04:23.680 at the residential schools considered sacred? Why hasn't it become a priority to return these

00:04:28.000 remains to the families? This exposes another part of the hoax. While it's alleged that hundreds of

00:04:32.600 children were killed and buried at these residential school sites, there aren't any

00:04:35.540 families to be found making the claims that their children disappeared. I don't think at least a few

00:04:39.440 would be kind of demanding know where their children went. The schools also kept meticulous

00:04:43.460 records of the students they needed to be in order to be reimbursed by the government. There's no

00:04:47.900 records of vanishing children to be found. And guys, this was supposed to be happening in the

00:04:50.760 50s and 60s. Where did these alleged children come from? At a church site in Manitoba and a

00:04:55.640 hospital site in Edmonton, activists made the air of actually, they believe, their own soup and

00:04:59.920 excavated the alleged graves. And guess what? There was not a single body found, despite the oral

00:05:04.620 history claiming they were there. Since those failures, Indigenous bands have learned not to 1.00

00:05:08.520 excavate. They just do the radar surveys and demand more money. Speaking of oral history,

00:05:13.220 the claims of the attendees of the Kamloops Residential School that they were forced to go

00:05:16.260 out and dig graves in the night for their murdered classmates as recently as the 60s. If this is true,

00:05:21.100 it's possible the perpetrators might still be alive to be prosecuted. If the RCMP believed any

00:05:25.520 of this, there'd be excavations. Mass murders don't just remain uninvestigated. The RCMP knows there's

00:05:30.640 no bodies to be found. It's a hoax. The child burial hoaxes at residential school sites have 0.91

00:05:34.920 caused real hurt, though, and real social division. Also, over 100 churches have been

00:05:39.020 vandalized or burned to the ground in response to this hoax, and hundreds of millions of dollars

00:05:42.760 have been wasted. And this is only going to be continuing, this is going to keep continuing,

00:05:46.400 as long as the hoaxes are indulged rather than called out. It's time to take the shovels out

00:05:50.380 and prove what's underground at these sites once and for all, no matter what the local band thinks.

00:05:54.760 Guess what, guys? Indigenous bands aren't sovereign nations. They have no authority to block murder 1.00

00:05:58.940 investigations, despite what they like to claim. That's a different hoax, and for another column.

00:06:03.220 in the meantime let's get digging all right well that's my rant to get me going to start with now

00:06:10.040 we're checking into the news with dave number two d what are you doing oh same old same old

00:06:14.380 and deer in headlights is back great shockingly comfortable for only a second appearance on this

00:06:20.940 national show yeah not too bad well to be fair cory i mean we don't have a lot of news this

00:06:25.560 week it's been pretty slow actually but i mean i guess the big one would be pauliev is actually

00:06:29.000 in that back in the house of commons you know i mean he won the battle river crowfoot riding by

00:06:33.020 over 80 percent um of the votes i think there's still some coming in but last i looked i think

00:06:37.480 it was 80.4 percent and i think some of the liberals were saying that it would be a failure

00:06:41.260 if you didn't get that many do you think that would have been the case i mean it is a

00:06:44.040 massive conservative stronghold to read anything whether a victory or a loss into a by election is

00:06:50.520 really going on a stretch if anybody's saying it's a great victory because he got 80 well again

00:06:54.960 it was a by election they threw everything at it it was down to 60 well it's a by election people

00:06:58.820 might not have felt like coming out so that's true everybody's trying to read something to

00:07:02.160 The tea leaves the reality.

00:07:03.180 He took a safe spot and you need a seat.

00:07:04.920 But, well, that's one more thing out of the way.

00:07:07.060 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:07:07.740 Apparently, Bonnie Critchley was finished second.

00:07:10.080 I think she got 10% of the votes,

00:07:11.440 but it was actually pretty good when you think about it

00:07:12.960 because she was an independent, she's a local,

00:07:14.900 and she kept referring to Polyev as a carpet beggar

00:07:17.700 and said that the whole thing was a waste of taxpayer dollars,

00:07:19.760 which you could argue maybe it was.

00:07:20.980 It kind of seemed like a sure thing from the get-go.

00:07:23.180 Well, yeah, but I mean, it happens.

00:07:24.800 It's funny.

00:07:25.220 I didn't hear Bonnie when they had to end.

00:07:26.760 She went out and ran for a seat in Everton 1.00

00:07:28.560 to get himself into the legislature when he doesn't live there.

00:07:31.200 They kind of get a little selective.

00:07:32.380 I mean, it's an old game that political leaders have done forever.

00:07:35.740 Don Getty did it a long time ago in Camaros, I think it was.

00:07:39.100 And they built a nice new hospital and put the Lottery Corporation there to make sure he won the seat this time.

00:07:43.740 I mean, you don't have to like that aspect of the politics, but it's just the way that game's played.

00:07:47.340 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:07:48.620 And also we had the Air Canada strike, which actually really lasted not very long.

00:07:52.080 I thought it probably lasted a couple of weeks, and then they'd probably finally go back to work.

00:07:54.740 But yeah, no, they reached a four-year agreement, apparently, that covers over 10,000 flight attendants.

00:07:59.140 and ground pay is introduced for the first time which i couldn't believe they didn't actually get

00:08:01.980 paid for ground pay to begin with it's just when the i think the plane was in like actually in

00:08:05.880 motion in the air is when they started getting paid apparently a different sort of compensation

00:08:09.980 yeah but then if you worked it out by the amount they were compensated per hour while it was in

00:08:13.840 the air it was very healthy but whatever they settled i guess and people are flying again

00:08:18.620 yeah because i think they said that i think it was i'm looking here it was 500 000 passengers

00:08:22.480 were affected across all of air canada's flights around the world so that's a fair number i mean

00:08:26.560 And especially at the end of August, you know, like end of summer vacation, kids are going back to school, that sort of thing.

00:08:30.700 So it's a good thing it didn't last more than two weeks.

00:08:33.100 I think it was what the total amount of days was less than a week, I think five days or so, something like that.

00:08:37.040 Yeah, they're still recovering, I think, a bit today from a few flights, but they're getting back in track.

00:08:40.720 But yeah, Canada's airlines have been having nothing but grief for the last couple of years.

00:08:43.380 You're not kidding.

00:08:44.280 It opens up a bigger discussion.

00:08:45.440 Maybe we need more than two large airlines in this country.

00:08:48.220 Not a bad idea, I think.

00:08:49.920 And we had a little bit of an interesting one.

00:08:51.200 was a bc nurse that actually got suspended for one month and was ordered to pay over 94 000 over

00:08:55.760 public statements on women's rights and it's um stems apparently from controversy from a 2020

00:09:00.720 billboard that she helped fund that said i heart jk rowling that some said was unprofessional and

00:09:05.280 they were talking about uh transphobia and whatnot i think there was someone on uh vancouver city

00:09:09.280 council that had something to say about that yeah it's absurd and i mean especially when we're

00:09:13.920 talking to the point of a nurse where it should just be sticking that you know anatomy biology 1.00

00:09:18.400 let's get real hey we want to indulge people make people happy fine everything else but when you're

00:09:22.160 treating somebody i hate to say it but uh women don't have peckers you know if if if one of these 1.00

00:09:31.760 women comes in and they're over 45 and they need to check out you you should probably check the 1.00

00:09:36.080 prostate because it's still in there and then let's just stick to the actual health things and

00:09:40.640 we'll deal with the social ones but now to the point where we're actually not even costing jobs

00:09:45.200 but fining $94,000 for daring to point out biological reality, this world's upside down.

00:09:51.600 Ain't that the truth. Well, like I said, Corey, that's about all we had. It's a pretty slow news

00:09:55.140 week. Well, I'm sure there's more coming up. Hopefully, hopefully. Probably the CRTC complaint

00:10:01.360 about after what I said about women and their peckers. Actually, probably. Have to look into 1.00

00:10:04.300 that. All right. Well, thanks for the update. I'll let you back into the newsroom there. And

00:10:10.800 And I know you've got lots to do with Dave hiding out with his grandchild.

00:10:14.680 Yeah, well, he's supposed to be back Monday, so I guess we'll wait and see.

00:10:17.100 Right on.

00:10:17.900 All right.

00:10:18.200 Thanks, Dave.

00:10:20.120 This is what I'd like to remind you guys.

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00:10:58.720 Yeah, that Air Canada thing.

00:11:00.360 You know, there's a bigger discussion going on.

00:11:02.760 If you've looked at this last year and a half or so,

00:11:06.920 why has there been so many of these strikes?

00:11:08.620 Well, and we've got Canada Post workers even talking about it again.

00:11:12.600 We've got to remember one of the things Trudeau did

00:11:14.240 was brought in legislation with Jagmeet Singh,

00:11:19.080 you know, that disgraced former politician,

00:11:20.880 to illegalize replacement workers in federally regulated fields of work.

00:11:26.520 Well, what a beautiful thing that was, right?

00:11:28.040 Because that covers interprovincial truckers.

00:11:30.580 so you know you got the teamsters can ready to really strong arm that covers flight attendants

00:11:35.860 on the airlines it covers postal workers and it covers federal workers of course as well so when

00:11:41.300 the federal workers went on strike you couldn't put anybody in postal workers why would such an

00:11:45.620 obsolete uh service think that they can get away with threatening strikes and well not just

00:11:52.500 threatening they did strike last year and they're threatening yet again because you can't replace

00:11:55.940 them. You see, airline flight attendants, that's a little more difficult. Fair enough. You know,

00:12:00.900 that takes some safety training and it's still got some specialized things, but that's something

00:12:04.340 within a couple of weeks, you could probably fill a whole lot of those roles actually,

00:12:07.620 maybe get some people across the picket lines. Postal workers, come on. Anybody who delivered

00:12:12.820 newspapers in the 80s can be a postal worker. If you can read, write, find an address and have two

00:12:16.900 legs, you can be a postal worker. But if it's illegal to actually have somebody fill that role

00:12:22.100 on a strike, they still have Canada Post over a barrel. And that's why they feel empowered to

00:12:28.180 pull these things. So get used to more of these strikes. I understand the right to collective

00:12:34.420 bargaining, the right to strike. These things are important. They really are. I respect those.

00:12:39.020 But when you give all of the power to one side and take away all the power from the other side, 0.56

00:12:44.860 this isn't good, guys. It's gone the wrong way. This is what drives companies out of business.

00:12:49.280 this was what puts the cost of living through the roof. So we really, so many things that

00:12:55.760 Prime Minister Carney should be re-evaluating from his predecessor, one of which would be the

00:13:01.800 banning of replacement workers, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. All right, let's talk

00:13:07.120 about something else I've been looking forward to. I haven't had him on in a while. Colin Craig

00:13:10.600 of secondstreet.org, and they do great stuff on healthcare file, and he's been out to Japan. I

00:13:18.280 envy. It must've been a hell of a trip, but he's also come back with a great deal of information

00:13:21.900 on the healthcare system out there. So let's bring Colin in and chat about that. Hey, how's

00:13:26.600 it going, Colin? Good. How are you doing, Corey? Good, good. I'm just really appreciate, like I

00:13:32.900 said, the work you guys do in showing, breaking through the myth as if, you know, there's only

00:13:39.480 two healthcare systems in the world, the Canadian one and the American one, and examining other

00:13:44.300 functional system so that Canadians maybe can start to understand we can reform our system

00:13:49.180 without becoming the big bad Americans. Yeah, of course. And that's been a frustration for so long

00:13:54.980 is that people who benefit from not having health reform because they have a real stranglehold over

00:14:01.600 control and, you know, who gets to do what in healthcare, well, they have successfully for

00:14:06.600 years presented this false choice between keeping our system or the American option.

00:14:11.060 And like you said, we've been trying to show the world or not show the world, show Canadians rather that there's all kinds of universal health care systems around the world that are performing much better than us.

00:14:23.240 So a couple of years ago, we went to Sweden to look at their system. Again, universal. Everyone's covered in Sweden. We showed some of the things they do differently.

00:14:32.100 Last year, we went to France and this year we went to Japan. So it's pretty amazing to go over there.

00:14:37.220 Yeah. And that's the key word really, you know, with what the Canadians are concerned about,

00:14:40.920 which is fair enough is universal. And they just want to be assured that you're always going to

00:14:47.340 be covered one way or another. The system might be different, but you're never going to be turned

00:14:50.480 away from a hospital because you don't have enough money in the bank or a good enough credit rating.

00:14:54.440 You have coverage. Everybody has coverage and Japan has universal coverage.

00:15:00.240 Yeah, they do. They most certainly do. And the most amazing thing about their system is that

00:15:03.900 there's basically no waiting list. It was culture shock, Corey, to go over there and learn more

00:15:11.120 about their system. I actually lived there 20 years ago, but as a younger guy, I didn't really

00:15:16.240 need the healthcare system too much, so I didn't have a lot of exposure to it. But to go back now

00:15:20.320 in my 40s and with the specific purpose of learning about their system, it was culture

00:15:25.600 shock to just hear again and again that if you need healthcare, you're getting in within maybe

00:15:31.500 if it's emergency, you get in right away. Excuse me. If it's not, you're getting in within a week,

00:15:38.320 two weeks, a month max kind of thing. Like you're getting in right away compared to in Canada where

00:15:42.560 people often wait over a year for something like knee operation, hip operation, whatever.

00:15:49.120 Yeah. And I mean, that's, it's one of the, not one of it's definitely the biggest critique of

00:15:54.160 the Canadian system is just waiting for access, trying to get in. I mean, it's fine if you're

00:15:58.380 covered, but the lost productivity, the pain and suffering of somebody waiting, or of course the

00:16:03.400 worst possible outcome, somebody actually passes away or perishes waiting for care. So that's not

00:16:09.320 happening in Japan. No, no. They looked at us surprised. One doctor at a medical university

00:16:17.380 hospital in Tokyo, we were talking away. We had an interpreter and everything. I mean, he knew

00:16:22.420 English not incredibly well I don't think but we were talking with him and then someone would

00:16:28.480 translate it for him and then once I started to talk about how patients had to wait a year often

00:16:34.560 in Canada for things like a knee or hip operation he switched into English he couldn't believe it

00:16:39.320 he said a year how long a year like he was shocked and and this is a problem is that in Canada I think

00:16:45.780 many people have come to think of this as somehow normal it is not normal the suffering that we're

00:16:50.460 seeing in this country is not normal. And, you know, like I said, if we copy things like what

00:16:55.620 Japan does and other universal countries, well, then we can get our wait times down so that they're

00:17:00.740 more in line with other developed countries. So, you know, that's what we did is we went over there

00:17:06.620 to really kind of learn more about the system, show Canadians that, you know, the constant

00:17:13.300 suffering that people are enduring in this country doesn't have to be this way.

00:17:17.600 So that gets us down to the how, you know, how is it then that Japan's able to do this 0.74

00:17:22.740 with any universal system when, when we appear incapable?

00:17:26.060 Yeah. So in their particular model, there's a few differences. The most important one that

00:17:31.380 we can learn from them is that in our country, the government tightly controls who can deliver

00:17:38.100 healthcare. And I don't mean like making sure that, you know, a doctor has a license or a nurse has,

00:17:44.420 you know a nursing degree or anything like that that's a given but you can't simply open up a

00:17:50.260 clinic in canada and start providing health care to the public you can't just do that and start

00:17:57.380 billing the government system if you're doing say knee operations or if you want to open up

00:18:02.500 a hospital you can't do that the government does not allow it so the government tightly

00:18:07.140 restricts the supply of health care for the public system and there's also very tight

00:18:11.940 restrictions around you know delivering care outside of the public system so if you know here

00:18:17.140 in alberta as an example if if you want to pay for you know some kind of significant operation

00:18:24.020 in calgary as a calgarian there are a lot of roadblocks that make it very difficult to do

00:18:29.940 that so this is why calgarians often fly to another province and many other provinces do

00:18:35.140 the same thing so you'll see vancouverites flying to calgary calgarians flying to vancouver

00:18:39.940 you have these ridiculous restrictions japan is the opposite they do the exact opposite of canada

00:18:45.220 what they do is the government there determines how much they're going to pay for different

00:18:50.100 procedures and then they basically tell anyone who's in the healthcare market or wants to enter

00:18:55.620 the healthcare market if you want to provide these procedures here's how much you're going

00:19:00.180 to get from the government and then it doesn't matter if you've got say a different level of

00:19:05.620 government wants to open up a clinic or maybe it's a non-profit wants to open up a hospital or a

00:19:10.740 private facility a company wants to open up you know something like a clinic or hospital or whatever

00:19:16.580 they know how much they're going to get from the government when they help out a patient

00:19:21.220 and so it's a very very different approach they welcome people to enter their market they actually

00:19:26.020 have so much health care that they're trying to grow their medical tourism sector they're trying

00:19:30.740 to get patients to come over from China, South Korea and Canada too. And it's a great system.

00:19:36.580 So if people are looking for, you know, to go abroad, to get timely healthcare, I mean,

00:19:40.500 I definitely recommend taking a look at Japan, but yeah, very different, very different approach.

00:19:46.420 They wanted to grow their system. They've wrote it. So they have shorter wait lists. We've done

00:19:49.780 the opposite and the results speak for themselves. And that should calm some of the fears then. I

00:19:53.940 mean, if they're at actually a point of a surplus of healthcare ability, one of the things that

00:19:57.940 critics for private provision of care say is that well the private clinics will open up and they'll

00:20:02.740 prioritize all the people who want to pay above and beyond and the people in the public system

00:20:06.180 will end up being left behind anyways and you know back to uh we all must be equal and blah

00:20:10.340 blah blah but i mean if we're all getting timely treatment it doesn't matter anymore well exactly

00:20:16.260 and you know the interesting thing when you talk about uh private and the sky falling because

00:20:20.980 that's what we hear all the time i mean there's all these other countries that have choice people

00:20:24.740 can use the public system in Sweden or you can pay private the same in France etc all around the

00:20:28.820 world people have this this uh choice and the sky hasn't fallen in fact they perform better than us

00:20:34.900 so we can navigate that that uh issue and make sure that you know the public system still has

00:20:40.820 staffing and so forth that's not a challenge but it's really I think the biggest thing we need to

00:20:46.340 do is change this mentality from like I say the government strictly we're controlling who can

00:20:51.620 provide healthcare to taking the opposite approach. You want to provide healthcare,

00:20:55.940 come on into the Canadian market. If you're an existing doctor or nurse or entrepreneur,

00:21:01.700 by all means, open up a clinic. Let's grow our healthcare sector so we've got more supply

00:21:06.740 and so weighting let's decrease. Well, and it's funny because one of the

00:21:11.380 things people constantly talk about or worry about is we lose our medical professionals.

00:21:15.540 We're having difficulty retaining them and keeping them here. Yet at the same time,

00:21:18.980 they're afraid of changing the system that's been pushing these professionals out i mean

00:21:25.060 you guys help chip through some of that i guess that the cognitive dissonance people have when

00:21:29.860 it comes to that like the system's failing in front of your own eyes yet you're still terrified

00:21:34.260 to even tweak it much less to give it substantial changes so you guys did a documentary though

00:21:39.060 right you you did a production so people can watch and see at length what what's the differences are

00:21:43.620 yeah well we've got a few things people can watch it's all for free it's on our website

00:21:47.620 uh if you want to watch the japan video it's just go to secondstreet.org all spelled out and

00:21:52.980 you can see it's right on the main page it's super easy to find uh and also people could go to

00:21:56.820 healthreformnow.ca again healthreformnow.ca and that's a 40-minute uh documentary that it's much

00:22:04.020 more comprehensive and looks at more issues and more solutions but yeah you're right i mean with

00:22:08.500 when it comes to labor issues um those can be navigated and you know personally i don't have

00:22:14.980 have $100,000 laying around if I needed heart surgery or whatever. I want the public system

00:22:19.300 to be strong, but it's not strong right now. So we have to be looking at reform and we can make

00:22:24.620 sure that we have the staff and the public system. The reality right now is that a lot of healthcare

00:22:29.880 professionals are just leaving Canada. They're looking at these different options, largely just

00:22:35.660 working for the government, some government hospital here or there, and they're saying,

00:22:38.700 I don't want to work there. I mean, I heard terrible things. It's not a good environment.

00:22:41.800 it's chaotic it's not managed well so they're leaving you know other times these workers start

00:22:48.340 out there and then you hear MEI the Montreal Economic Institute they've done great research

00:22:52.760 looking at nurses retiring before they're like 35 not and I should correct that not retiring but

00:22:57.680 leaving the profession before they're 35 because it's just too stressful the government's the

00:23:02.240 government's operating a chaotic environment whereas you go into countries like Japan you

00:23:07.440 know we went into these hospitals it's not chaos there's not patients laying in hallways there's

00:23:11.740 not um you know just this you know i don't know confusion like surrounding the hospital and i'm

00:23:18.840 not criticizing individual doctors and nurses in canada the problem is the government's running

00:23:23.040 the thing and they've set it up poorly and the results are are not very good for too many

00:23:28.440 canadians so yeah we can navigate these issues i mean two other things people i think um may want

00:23:33.840 to keep in mind about the japanese system they do have user fees um they're pretty affordable like

00:23:39.040 No one's, you know, from what we could tell, no one's going bankrupt by the Japanese system.

00:23:44.840 If you need something like a heart operation, they have protections in place that if you're a middle income Japanese person, the most you would pay in a month would be around $800.

00:23:55.560 So if you think about, I mean, $800, a lot of us don't have that money to throw around casually.

00:24:00.060 But if you think about it for something like a heart operation, you know, that's when the cost is probably upwards of $80,000, $90,000, $100,000.

00:24:10.600 I mean, $800 isn't very much.

00:24:12.920 So they do have safeguards in place to keep the costs low.

00:24:15.740 If you need something less significant, a professor from Kyoto that we talked to estimated it would be about 3,000 yen to visit your family doctor, you know, if you've got a bad cough or something like that.

00:24:27.040 So that works out to around $28 Canadian.

00:24:29.420 So, you know, it's not it's not tiny. It's not huge either. I think most people, if they've got a serious health problem, they can afford that. And then there's other safeguards in place if you're poor for costs for children and so forth. But that's one.

00:24:45.300 And the other thing that I think is important to talk about too, Corey,

00:24:47.800 is just that the Japanese people are healthier to begin with.

00:24:51.100 And when you live a healthy life, you end up with fewer health problems.

00:24:55.720 And that's where we as a nation, I think, are weaker

00:24:59.040 and we have more room for improvements for Canadians to, you know,

00:25:03.320 live healthier lives in the first place.

00:25:04.920 Then we put less stress on the health care system.

00:25:07.760 So, you know, we talk a little bit about that in the documentary as well.

00:25:11.520 Yeah. So with these reforms, though, ideas like this, would these involve actually having to

00:25:17.120 reform the Canada Health Act or provinces able to implement some of these without that? Like,

00:25:22.480 that's one of the problems Canada's had is the provinces are tasked with delivering the health

00:25:26.160 care, but the federal government tells them how they must do it. Do we need federal policy reform?

00:25:32.320 Yeah. I mean, the question or the answer is that it kind of depends,

00:25:35.760 depends how you want to do it so in japan actually like um you know we talk about the option of

00:25:42.000 paying privately use the public system or you reach into your pocket and pay privately

00:25:47.360 i mean that's how it works in countries like sweden or whatever in japan it's basically the

00:25:52.400 government's gonna pay x amount of money it doesn't matter where you go that money is flowing

00:25:58.400 and then you would pay that uh additional top-ups it's not really a uh you know don't necessarily

00:26:04.320 think about it choosing between public and private it's all part of the public system

00:26:08.320 but you could receive care at a private clinic within the public system so the money flows from

00:26:14.160 the government to the private clinic when you go in for your knee operation and then you pay a

00:26:18.080 portion which is the user fee so it's um that uh could certainly be done without having to change

00:26:26.480 legislation um just changing this approach i mean we're seeing it happen here in alberta i mean

00:26:32.080 I mean, we'll see in the near future sort of how the government rolls this out as the

00:26:37.740 details become clear, but it looks like they're moving in that direction so that they're switching

00:26:43.400 the system so that the focus, stay with me here, so that the focus now becomes all about

00:26:49.080 the patient, which is where it should have been in the first place.

00:26:51.780 Too often in Canada, the focus is about ideology.

00:26:55.000 Who gets to deliver the healthcare? 1.00

00:26:56.800 Are they unionized?

00:26:57.740 Are they not?

00:26:58.540 Is it a public institution or not?

00:27:00.120 that's not what the focus should be about the focus should be about patients being empowered

00:27:06.440 to go out and find the best solution for them and that's how they do it in japan and that's a

00:27:11.400 it's a big difference like say it looks like alberta's moving in that direction towards 0.96

00:27:15.560 kind of how what they do in japan um quebec has actually been doing that more and more

00:27:20.260 and they've had some very good success there yeah no i appreciate the way you guys have been

00:27:25.620 approaching it and the montreal economic institute whereas people have been actually

00:27:29.400 trying to pressure the politicians who will eventually have to be the ones to help implement

00:27:33.720 the changes but i think what you got to do is change the hearts and minds of the public don't

00:27:37.480 worry the politicians will follow if if the public is asking for these reforms the politicians will

00:27:42.760 feel emboldened to do so and uh that you know you've been doing more of a public education sort

00:27:48.600 of role that way so i mean i i really appreciate that and kind of laying it out in late terms so

00:27:52.840 people can understand you're not looking to threaten health care you're looking to improve

00:27:57.000 it and if we demand it we can get it no yeah i mean we've spent tens of thousands of dollars

00:28:02.520 maybe even more trying to show the public how we can improve our universal public system

00:28:08.440 we're trying to improve the thing uh and also give patients more choice to like show how that can help

00:28:14.280 and other things that can ultimately improve care for patients in the public system but spending

00:28:19.880 decades continuing to do what we've done for the last 30 years which is throw money at the system

00:28:25.000 and hope something works i mean that that's insanity right we've got to do something different

00:28:29.960 and i i actually take a different view than than you on sort of where we're at i don't think the

00:28:34.680 public problem is as much the public it's more the politicians because when we do public opinion

00:28:39.720 research the public is largely on board with reform they they overwhelmingly believe that we

00:28:46.280 need reform not throwing more money at the system so that that's a good thing right there that public

00:28:50.840 understands throwing money at the system isn't going to work um well over 60 believe that and

00:28:56.600 then there's another portion that believe that you know we continue to need reform and it's it's not

00:29:02.040 throwing money at the system too but uh you know so so that's positive when it comes to choice

00:29:07.640 keeping the public system allowing people to pay privately locally in their own city province

00:29:12.520 whatever uh last poll we did found 61 believe that uh and that would help because every time someone

00:29:19.320 pays privately well then that's one less patient that the public system has to provide care for

00:29:25.720 so you know over like i say over 60 percent there support that so i think the public is largely

00:29:31.640 there it's now a matter of politicians catching up because a lot of them i think are still stuck

00:29:36.440 living in you know the late 90s early 2000s where health reform was something that you couldn't

00:29:41.720 really talk about as a politician because the public didn't fully understand sort of the system

00:29:47.000 the problems and sort of how we can change things by copying policies from europe japan australia

00:29:53.480 wherever other developed nations that have universal systems so um you know i think what

00:29:58.600 we need more than anything is for the political class to catch up and understand just how bad

00:30:03.240 the crisis is and uh puts emergency behind reform well it's hopefully the public speaks up then i

00:30:09.960 mean that's who the the political class should be listening to and as you guys help engage them

00:30:15.000 hopefully you know we want to make that lead to some positive changes so before i let you go you

00:30:19.080 know just one more time where can people find your your recent documentary and all the rest of the

00:30:22.440 work you guys have been doing i i love the work you guys have out there well thank you thank you

00:30:26.680 so much for uh having this conversation today it's so important for people to talk about these issues

00:30:31.640 so that we can ultimately reduce patient suffering uh like see the video it's uh on youtube on our

00:30:37.880 facebook page uh the easiest way might be to just go to our website secondstreet.org all spelled out

00:30:45.000 and people can watch it.

00:30:46.740 There's a link right on the main page

00:30:48.080 and they can see it there.

00:30:49.780 Great. Well, thanks for joining us today, Colin.

00:30:51.680 And thanks for that work.

00:30:52.840 And I hope you got to enjoy

00:30:53.980 some of that time in Japan too.

00:30:55.260 And it wasn't all business

00:30:56.120 while you were out there.

00:30:57.060 It was awesome.

00:30:57.940 Great food, lots to see.

00:30:59.300 Highly recommended

00:31:00.060 if someone's wondering

00:31:01.080 where they should go on their next trip.

00:31:02.500 Wonderful, amazing country.

00:31:04.080 Right on. Thanks, Colin.

00:31:04.980 I'm sure we'll talk again soon.

00:31:06.400 Thanks a lot, Corey.

00:31:07.660 Great. Thanks.

00:31:08.640 So yeah, folks, one more time,

00:31:09.680 that is Colin Craig at secondstreet.org.

00:31:12.400 And they cover other things besides healthcare,

00:31:14.180 but that's where they've really been fantastic on that file. You know, we've got to change

00:31:18.660 our perceptions. I mean, most people are realizing there's a problem. I think some of it really wakes

00:31:23.360 you up though once you get a direct experience. I've been going on about it for years, but

00:31:27.700 something that really shook me up a year and some ago was going into Foothills Hospital. It was

00:31:32.800 shortly after my wife, Jane's mother had had a stroke and she was in, well, she passed unfortunately,

00:31:39.320 but she was in hospital for some time. And we went to the Foothills Hospital in Calgary and there was

00:31:43.580 a room for the family to wait and you had to weave through these tunnels through emergency

00:31:47.120 and literally hallway care. It looked like a war zone. There were stretchers with people

00:31:56.100 in very rough condition. We're not talking about somebody who needs a couple stitches

00:31:59.640 with a sprained ankle. Very, very ill people were waiting in a hallway with a, sometimes alone,

00:32:07.340 sometimes with a loved one, at least sitting with them to try and keep them company until they could

00:32:11.620 find a bed. We brag, we listen to this myth, and it is a myth that we've got this brilliant system

00:32:19.720 that's fantastic. Try it. You know, there's part of the problem. If you've been fortunate enough

00:32:25.120 to be healthy and your friends and family have been healthy, so you haven't gone in and seen

00:32:28.840 firsthand just how badly it's failing on the frontline there, nevermind the wait to get a

00:32:35.200 specialist, then maybe you believe the CBC line that we have the best health care system in the

00:32:41.720 world. We don't. We do not. We're not even close. And, you know, with the emergency service,

00:32:49.760 the times like that when it's really acute, I mean, I know just from my St. John ambulance

00:32:55.500 repeated constant courses when I worked in the oil field, everything in a traumatic injury or,

00:33:00.600 you know, a medical situation. Time is everything. The faster you can get in to professional help in

00:33:09.860 a facility that can treat you, the better your chances of having a recovery or, you know,

00:33:14.440 surviving. And if you've got people waiting around literally on hallways and miserable,

00:33:21.080 your survival rate is not that high. You know, we've demonized, we've allowed this polarized

00:33:26.680 conversation to happen saying it's just the American system or just the Canadian and you

00:33:31.320 know it's the damned unions and I'll say it outright it's the bloody unions sucking us dry

00:33:36.300 life-sucking parasites preserving this system which is causing so much death and suffering

00:33:41.860 we're spending as much per capita or more than most countries and our outcomes suck

00:33:47.140 but we got the unions oh no it's good it's fine just needs more money no it doesn't we can keep

00:33:51.420 pouring money into that black hole and feeding you bloated pricks but it's not getting people

00:33:56.340 healthier, faster. And when you try to turn the debate into something that is here or there,

00:34:03.320 what does it matter if the healthcare is free if you're dead? You know, one of the things I saw,

00:34:08.520 I spent a lot of time working in the United States. I don't want us to embrace their system.

00:34:13.660 I don't. Because yes, some people end up broke because they got treated somewhere.

00:34:17.480 But the competition element, you can certainly see. I was working in Hobbs, New Mexico. I tell

00:34:22.440 you, a dusty, miserable little town right on the Texas-New Mexico border. I was there in July and

00:34:26.120 August. I really had some good timing with where I'd be surveying. But there was a billboard when

00:34:29.920 you drive into town, actually two of them, and they were both for private hospitals and one had

00:34:33.440 a digital sign on it so that it would change and it told the estimated wait times for emergency

00:34:39.480 service. They're actually trying to say, come to our place, we'll treat you faster. And then I never

00:34:44.240 saw it higher than seven or eight minutes. As a CB fixes all says, your mother sat in the waiting

00:34:50.380 room for six hours to see a doctor for the trouble she was having. Yeah, there was a recent poll I

00:34:54.360 saw talking about, I wish I could remember the number offhand, but a startling number of people

00:34:59.860 who went to the hospital and then finally just left because they got tired of waiting. Now,

00:35:04.340 obviously these were people who didn't have, you know, an amputated arm or bleeding out or

00:35:07.340 something, but they had a condition. Some of the dangerous ones, the scary ones, the ones we're

00:35:11.560 hearing about deaths on things like appendicitis presenting as sickness, presenting as a pain,

00:35:16.660 you know, in the stomach. Is it kidney stones? Is it appendicitis? Is it a stomach bug? Who knows?

00:35:20.880 but if untreated too long, it can quickly become fatal. You have to get them in. And those are the

00:35:27.400 ones where often we've had people dying on the waiting list or gave up and went home and then

00:35:30.720 died at home. It's not working. Think of the costs for some of the long waits for specialized care.

00:35:41.600 You know, knee and hip replacements, terrible, terrible. We're talking a year to a couple of

00:35:46.780 years for some of these things. If a person's waiting for that, often they might not be able

00:35:51.040 to work. That means they're collecting disability or other social services potentially. Often it's

00:35:56.600 very painful. So guess what happens? They get prescribed opioids. I want to know some of the

00:36:02.940 keys to why we're having an opioid epidemic. If somebody's got to wait a whole year, year and a

00:36:07.320 half on painkillers to get through, they might come out with their treatment, but now they're

00:36:13.440 a hopeless bloody addict to opioids. And they've got to deal now with trying to kick an addiction

00:36:18.280 or unfortunately, maybe even having it turn into something much, much worse.

00:36:24.380 It's not working. The politics of envy come into this a lot too. So I'm not talking about the

00:36:30.800 American, I'm talking about European models. A lot of them have mixed systems. Colin was talking

00:36:34.720 about Sweden, France. And some of the things that happen, let's say France, now I don't know the

00:36:39.440 numbers, but you see, they got private hospitals, but they're regulated. Everybody has universal

00:36:44.060 care. Remember? So universal, that's the big part. Everybody's got coverage, but that hospital in

00:36:49.580 France, you know, let's say I'm Joe millionaire, billionaire. I want to open a hospital up just

00:36:54.200 outside of Paris, my own. I'll recruit my own doctors. I'll, I'll do my own thing. Okay. And

00:36:59.480 I want to draw those patients in because I see them as an asset so I can treat them, make them

00:37:02.540 better, make my money. And you want them people saying, Oh, then they're just motivated by profit.

00:37:07.060 Well, not really, because if your patients don't have a good recovery level, they aren't going to come back.

00:37:11.000 The word's going to get out.

00:37:11.800 You're going to get a bad Google review and people aren't going to come to your hospital.

00:37:14.820 You are motivated to do a good job, but they have it regulated.

00:37:18.720 I'm just guessing, let's say it's like 60% of your hospital procedures have to be in the public system,

00:37:23.040 have to be under the umbrella of the universal system.

00:37:27.080 Beyond that, though, you can start using those rooms, those doctors, those nurses, those laundry workers for extra stuff.

00:37:34.360 And yes, somebody rich might get treated a week ahead of you.

00:37:41.600 But they're paying for you to get treated in two weeks for something that might have taken two months prior.

00:37:47.580 Get over the envy.

00:37:49.900 And let's just all get ahead.

00:37:51.980 That person's paying for your lineup to get shorter.

00:37:54.460 Yes, they've paid to get in front of you in it.

00:37:57.240 But it still benefited all of you.

00:37:59.160 Quit this, we've all got to suffer equally idea.

00:38:02.180 It sucks.

00:38:03.480 That's the old crab in the bucket mentality. We're going to drag everybody down. If I can't

00:38:08.260 have it, nobody else can have it. I just want it shorter. And I'm okay if the rich guy gets ahead

00:38:14.040 of me. I've accepted a lot of things from the rich guy. They've got the nicer car. They got

00:38:17.700 the nicer house. They take longer vacations. Oh, well, get over it. Either work harder to get their

00:38:22.200 level of income or just forget about it. But pissing and moaning and trying to pull them 0.99

00:38:27.420 down to your level doesn't help. And guess what happens? This is something that's already

00:38:32.080 happening too. People will go somewhere else for the care and they'll take their dollars out. It's

00:38:37.640 not because they're rich, it's because they're desperate. Let's say, and I've used this analogy

00:38:42.260 before, let's say I was told I'm not rich, but I promise you I'm not rich. I'm doing okay, but I'm

00:38:46.840 not rich. But I was told you need this heart procedure within four months or there's a 50%

00:38:52.500 chance you'll be dead. We'll book you in for six months from now. That's kind of what some of the

00:38:56.600 options people are kind of looking at right now with these long waits. What am I going to do?

00:39:00.340 sit there and take a 50-50 chance of dropping dead? No. I might remortgage my house and go to

00:39:07.240 the United States to get it done or Vietnam or Japan. So what happened then? Well, I got faster

00:39:12.580 treatment, but now I've lost the equity in my home. Medical professionals in a different country got

00:39:17.920 my money, which could have been kept here funding other medical professionals. Not saying I have to

00:39:24.040 pay the whole works out of pocket. I'm just saying, you see, we're not winning. It's not just rich

00:39:29.500 people leaving to get care elsewhere. It's desperate people. And if they don't even have

00:39:34.520 that means, well, yeah, then they're hooped and they just got to cross their fingers and hope

00:39:39.940 that, you know, whatever you have doesn't get you before you can get the treatment on it.

00:39:47.060 We need rational discussion on it. We need to stop the fear mongering. We need to tell the

00:39:51.260 unions to shut the hell up. We need to allow, here's the big word, competition. That's the 0.99

00:39:59.160 thing. If these public hospitals are giving good care, they don't have to fear losing patients or

00:40:04.500 professionals to a private facility. Part of the other problem we have is that we've centralized

00:40:12.260 all of our care. Again, thanks to the unions, thanks to the models. So we've got these hospitals

00:40:16.300 that encompass everything. They're huge, they're inefficient, they're bloated. I saw somebody else

00:40:20.820 mentioned it. It's the bureaucracy, the administration that's costing a fortune as well. 0.93

00:40:24.680 administration doesn't empty your bedpan, doesn't give you the blood test, doesn't ring the bell

00:40:31.100 when you're having a heart attack. No, these are a bunch of paper-pushing pencil-neck geeks 1.00

00:40:35.260 sitting in offices coming up with more ways to slow down care at a higher cost. Go to a hospital

00:40:41.040 as well and look at the nurse's station in the middle. Go to any ward. Walk around. And there's

00:40:46.720 one, two nurses running around and they're working their butts off. They're very important. They're

00:40:50.360 very skilled. I understand that. But there's 12 of them sitting there staring at computer screens.

00:40:53.860 What the hell are they doing? I don't get treatment by somebody staring at a computer

00:40:59.340 screen. They say they're charting, they're charting, they're charting. Have we gotten

00:41:02.660 to a point yet where somebody can do a visit to somebody in a bed and not have to spend half an

00:41:08.160 hour charting? What's going on? Well, in a public system, a unionized bloated system,

00:41:14.560 they're not going to dig into what that problem might be. But you need to have some competition.

00:41:22.040 Then you have another one down the street that maybe is doing things twice as fast at a good

00:41:26.360 cost. Then that pushes pressure on the other. You see, but when you only have one system stuffed

00:41:30.140 into one building, you can't find solutions. You just keep doing the same thing. And it's so big,

00:41:36.540 so bloated. The other thing, go to a hospital, visit somebody, visit on a weekend. And guess

00:41:41.120 what? The parking lot is empty. On a weekday, you can't park within a mile of the place. What's

00:41:46.460 going on? Well, it's all those bloody bureaucrats, but they only work nine to five. Guess what?

00:41:50.380 I wish, but I only get, I don't get sick nine to five. We don't get into accidents, just nine to

00:41:56.160 five. But the hospital is overloaded with these bureaucrats. And they're just like safety chodes. 1.00

00:42:03.920 If you're working in the oil field or construction, all they do is come up with more paper,

00:42:07.760 more crap, more garbage to actually reduce the amount that productive professionals get done. 1.00

00:42:13.560 And those professionals are the ones keeping you healthy or trying to.

00:42:20.380 Dark Robe saying, charting is done from a progression of illness standpoint and liability.

00:42:24.100 Okay, yes, I understand.

00:42:25.880 You got to document, document, document.

00:42:27.260 Part of it's the bloody lawyers, right?

00:42:28.600 They'll sue you for anything and everything if they think a T wasn't crossed or an I wasn't dotted.

00:42:34.000 But you don't need that much.

00:42:35.580 Quit giving me that crap.

00:42:38.000 We don't need them for half an hour per patient every 20 minutes.

00:42:42.240 They're in there all the time.

00:42:44.720 Don't try to tell me when I got AI that I can type in a sentence and get an essay.

00:42:49.980 You know, with this modern technology that we have to have our nurses spending that much time 1.00

00:42:55.020 in front of a computer screen instead of actually working with the patients.

00:42:59.040 Something's wrong.

00:43:00.820 We got a lot of room to improve things, but we got to break out of what we're stuck with.

00:43:05.480 Here's something to show the stupidity of government.

00:43:08.260 I'll kind of break away from health care.

00:43:09.440 This is just, I want to hit some of these stories before the show runs.

00:43:11.520 And you might have seen this story popping up.

00:43:13.380 The Canadian embassy in Washington, they hired.

00:43:16.040 So this is your tax dollars.

00:43:17.260 These are your bureaucrats.

00:43:18.340 these folks. They hired a consultant for tips on how to talk to Americans. Yeah, the Canadian 0.81

00:43:23.580 embassy in Washington. And guess how much they paid? $2,000 American an hour for this specialist

00:43:30.540 to teach how to talk to Americans. This is teaching our diplomats. This is teaching our

00:43:38.620 $400,000 a year most senior of bureaucrats living in embassies with servants how to talk to the

00:43:48.100 Americans. This is where your money's going guys. But this is what bureaucrats come up with. This

00:43:52.800 is the double speaking garbage they come up with. This is the same sort of people are dealing with 1.00

00:43:57.160 how we do our healthcare. They're adding levels and levels of idiocy. And are we getting any

00:44:04.600 better for it? Let's get to where it writes. Here's another story we're going to be watching.

00:44:09.820 I'm going to be following closely because I've always been big on those ones. I believe in

00:44:12.580 castle doctrine. That means yes, property rights, your property, your health, your safety, your

00:44:17.560 well-being. Some housebreaker comes in, I should be able to sue their estate for the cleaning to 0.63

00:44:23.780 get their brains off of the back of my door after they got lead poisoning by threatening my family.

00:44:30.980 Well, in case of Kawartha Lakes, and that Kawartha Lakes has got some serious issues going on

00:44:35.000 anyways with their junkies and other problems. But yes, a 44-year-old man had a housebreaker come in,

00:44:40.280 he beat the snot out of the guy, and now the 44-year-old man has been charged. The housebreaker,

00:44:45.780 of course was already wanted on prior charges and the housebreaker had a weapon, but that's not good

00:44:50.780 enough. They don't want you to have the right to defend your own home, defend your person, defend

00:44:55.900 your property. This has to change. That priority is so far off, so far out of whack. Family, safety,

00:45:04.520 property comes first. And that's not going to happen in Canada. It's back to maybe an independent

00:45:11.520 Alberta, I'll have it. Independent West. Look up Castle Doctrine if you aren't familiar with it,

00:45:16.340 though. You want crime prevention, go to an area. Derek brought that up when we were talking about

00:45:22.120 a meeting earlier this morning. See how many home invasions happen in Montana. Not a heck of a lot.

00:45:27.200 Why? Because they have property rights, home protection rights, and most of them have firearms. 0.80

00:45:31.760 So even the worst of fentanyl addicted hammerheads knows that it's suicide to break into a home with

00:45:36.980 an owner in there. In Canada, the homeowner, I guess, is supposed to just sit there. Please don't

00:45:40.900 hurt me, take everything I got, maybe just rape me a little bit, but I won't fight back because

00:45:44.180 I'll go to jail. Ridiculous. All right. Ending off on that, guys. The show is wrapped up. Thank

00:45:49.600 you all for tuning in today. Be sure to watch the pipeline later on tonight and subscribe to

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00:46:01.800 through the BS and fix things up. Honest. It's so important for a free press. Thank you for

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Western Standard - August 21, 2025

Another day, another residential school mass grave hoax

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