Western Standard - BRIEF REPRIEVE — Trump delays tariffs on Canada

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00:02:17.960 get on to other issues and you know it was hard to find things to talk about today it's been such

00:02:22.660 a quiet news month isn't it so dave let's let's start let's start where to begin trump tariffs

00:02:30.000 we've had a little reprieve yes it was uh uh all worked on the weekend because the uh threat was

00:02:38.040 there that uh monday morning they were going to be announced and the whole country was on tenter

00:02:43.400 hooks on Monday and all of a sudden the news came that Mexico was getting a break. They were sending

00:02:49.840 10,000 soldiers to the northern border and they get a reprieve of 30 days. Well, we're of course

00:02:56.760 saying, hey, if Mexico gets it, why not us? And then the news finally broke in the afternoon that

00:03:03.180 Canada was also getting a 30-day reprieve. We had to make some concessions, like we were going to

00:03:10.920 send 10 000 people to patrol the uh patrol the border uh we have to appoint a border czar

00:03:19.000 something which danielle smith was promoting which we'll talk about later uh and uh you know

00:03:24.920 all sorts of other stuff to crack down on uh on fentanyl so so we've got 30 days to get our uh

00:03:32.280 crap together and uh 30 days we'll be facing another deadline and the country will again

00:03:37.960 and be on 10 trucks.

00:03:39.600 Well, I noticed that he made the announcement

00:03:41.500 while the Tampa Bay Lightning are in the White House

00:03:44.340 celebrating the Stanley Cup win.

00:03:46.320 And he didn't even make any demand.

00:03:48.060 Florida Panthers, my friend.

00:03:50.120 Oh, my God, I got it.

00:03:51.660 But he didn't even make any demands to take over McDavid.

00:03:54.100 This is why you're in a regular.

00:03:57.320 Well, we'll get more into your area specialty.

00:03:59.700 Actually, I'm wondering how much impact do you think?

00:04:01.860 I mean, the American markets that morning

00:04:03.480 weren't exactly happy with this tariff idea.

00:04:05.520 I mean, Trump may seem to think

00:04:06.700 wise economic policy but most business people and economists don't think terribly highly on it

00:04:11.740 you think you know the american market i mean it rebounded once the tariffs were you know it was

00:04:15.740 announced that they're going to be put off how much impact do you think that might add on trump's

00:04:20.860 um and i know it's hard to figure what impacts trump's thinking but i could

00:04:25.740 well you know the the irony is is that um it wouldn't actually be canadian producers that

00:04:30.700 would be there would actually be the american refiners and we're talking about

00:04:38.940 so 60 of us imported oil comes from canada

00:04:45.900 99 from alberta but of that oil about 80 of it is funneled to maybe a half dozen refineries

00:04:54.460 west midwest that aren't really pipeline connected america doesn't really have any

00:04:59.500 pipelines to the west coast you know if they were trying to get oil up and around they'd have to go

00:05:04.780 to the panama canal if they were going to bring oil in from venezuela they would have a heck of

00:05:10.780 a time trying to get it up into toledo just simply because of the fact that the main pipeline is

00:05:17.420 canadian so it's actually the u.s refiners that would be paying this 10 percent toll and it would

00:05:25.900 hurt them a heck of a lot more than it would hurt us which is probably number one why he lowered it

00:05:32.620 down to 10 in the first place and then number two on this yeah well i mean everybody's kind of

00:05:39.340 claiming a victory out of this one uh trump is saying well i got what i wanted for now i got the

00:05:44.300 the concessions on the border security and and things such as that uh trudeau supporters are

00:05:50.300 saying, look, Justin pulled it through in the 11th hour. And Daniel Smith's supporters

00:05:55.900 are saying, well, it's because of Smith's diplomacy that Trump softened up and saw the light here.

00:06:03.260 Was there a victory in this? Well, I think certainly Daniel Smith can claim a victory,

00:06:08.780 getting tariffs reduced to 10%. And she invested a lot of personal capital going down there and

00:06:15.980 and meeting Trump at Mar-a-Lago and, you know, sort of smoothing her way through Washington

00:06:24.080 and visiting their senators and congresspeople.

00:06:28.640 So, you know, she was called a traitor.

00:06:32.460 And now, you know, some people are claiming victory is hers.

00:06:38.380 I guess it's all going to depend on what happens in 30 days.

00:06:42.840 And she's certainly continuing her full court press.

00:06:46.700 She will make two trips to Washington in the next month.

00:06:52.280 There's three cabinet ministers, UCP cabinet ministers,

00:06:56.280 going down for the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington.

00:07:02.180 I'm not sure why they're sending three, but it's nice to take a...

00:07:07.020 When the weather's this cold, it's nice to get out of Dodge and go anywhere, I guess.

00:07:10.780 It's pretty cold.

00:07:11.500 Yeah, I mean, Trudeau can claim a bit of victory because you have seen him surging a little bit in the polls.

00:07:22.940 And, you know, I think Canada as a whole can claim a bit of a victory because you've seen a reawakening of patriotism that hasn't been there for a while.

00:07:32.600 We've got the American National Anthem being booed at hockey games and basketball games, which I don't necessarily agree with.

00:07:43.140 And it's going to make the upcoming Four Nations hockey going to be even more interesting when Canada plays the U.S.

00:07:50.120 It's a bitter battle already, so it should be good.

00:07:53.660 So I think Guy Smith is the big winner out of all this.

00:07:56.460 Well, she got that czar as well that, you know, the ever increasingly unhinged Andrew Coyne, for example, called her Premier Loon for asking for that.

00:08:04.460 And now suddenly it's a brilliant idea when the federal government brings in that position.

00:08:09.820 Well, it kind of plays into this idea of creating a prevention piece as well, right?

00:08:14.780 Because now they've actually got something to do.

00:08:17.780 True. Another aspect.

00:08:19.860 There's been a lot of, it's driven me nuts as a libertarian minded person too.

00:08:24.920 and a lot of economic illiteracy on both sides of the border.

00:08:28.880 And Trump sure likes to play on that.

00:08:30.880 Like something that he's not done.

00:08:32.480 And he keeps trumpeting, we're subsidizing Canada

00:08:34.740 by the hundreds of billions because of the trade deficit.

00:08:37.580 And it's not a subsidy.

00:08:39.840 It's not even close to a subsidy.

00:08:42.200 But, you know, you can lay that out

00:08:43.640 because he doesn't seem to be backing off on that yet.

00:08:46.380 Like there's going to be more demands at the end of the month.

00:08:48.140 And where is he going to go next, a supposed subsidy?

00:08:52.040 Well, I think it was an American economist yesterday

00:08:54.420 made this comparison that uh you know the grocery store doesn't buy as much from me as i buy from

00:09:00.660 them yeah you know and uh he turns around and uh premier smith has made this comment as well he

00:09:06.340 turns around he buys about 100 billion dollars worth of oil and turns it into 300 billion dollars

00:09:09.940 worth of products simply because of discount between uh canadian and american oil prices and

00:09:16.180 And, you know, a lot of that is a function of the lack of pipelines that go east and west.

00:09:24.380 And so now we've had this talk of reviving pipelines out to the east coast, and maybe even Northern Gateway, which, I mean, it's a, you know, a day late dollar short.

00:09:38.020 If we would have had these things up and running five, ten years ago when they were proposed, then we would be in this position that we're in now.

00:09:45.420 Yeah, well, I see Wilkinson coming up talking about the importance of diversifying our export markets now. People have suddenly understood that, you know, when you've got a business and you've only got one customer, you're actually in a really, really bad position. Even Quebec Premier Legault got up and said, yes, this is very important, but then quickly said, but there's no damn way we're letting the pipeline through Quebec.

00:10:06.300 well i think what he said was it seems to me that he might be somewhat in favor of the idea

00:10:14.020 but he was just trying to brush it off as trying to say that there's no social acceptability

00:10:18.500 i don't care about social acceptability yeah he was yeah i think you wrote the column yesterday

00:10:23.780 that he was uh you know he was shown to be the traitor in the team canada dressing room

00:10:28.860 but uh yeah i mean you you're either team canada or you're not team canada

00:10:36.240 and i don't think he wants any part of team canada i don't blame him for that he wants

00:10:42.560 to look out what's best for his province uh you know there were people saying well why don't we

00:10:47.280 build a pipeline to uh ontario and then ship it to the east coast refineries um but there was

00:10:57.760 certainly from the comments and whatnot yesterday that we got on john's column a lot of anger out

00:11:02.800 there in that stance. You know, are we going to be self-sufficient or are we not? And if we're

00:11:10.960 going to be self-sufficient, we need a damn pipeline through Quebec.

00:11:14.160 Well, we need one that doesn't go through the United States and then back up into Ontario.

00:11:18.480 That too, yeah. Which is, again, you talk about vulnerability. Here's this

00:11:21.840 main line. Guys, it goes down there and comes up. Like, you know, we are on the hook with

00:11:28.640 with him. And Trump is the latest, you know, the one in power right now, who's pretty

00:11:32.280 protectionist, but he won't be the last president like that. And as you said, Quebec's looking out

00:11:36.680 for Quebec, which is fair enough. I'm big on Alberta looking out for Alberta. But I think

00:11:41.000 it's in Quebec's interest to have a strong Canadian economy so they can still keep pilfering 0.99

00:11:44.900 equalization payments. So, I mean, if they keep castrating our ability to make money,

00:11:49.220 they will lose their poutine funds eventually. Well, I think there was also some irony,

00:11:53.700 you know, and that Premier Smith was called the traitor in the Team Canada locker room.

00:12:01.320 You know, even the Prime Minister had used the Team Canada analogy and all this kind of thing.

00:12:06.840 And I don't think anybody ever really expects Quebec to kind of be on the team,

00:12:11.340 but, you know, kind of go to the extent that they did to, you know,

00:12:15.240 now we're essentially blocking oil from maritime provinces.

00:12:18.680 you know i'm i'm looking at uh if we've got a loser in all this it may be doug ford

00:12:25.160 he called an election on these tariffs and they are now no longer coming uh he rips up a hundred

00:12:31.680 million dollar contract with elon musk to provide it back together you know sorry sorry yeah and

00:12:39.320 And then there's the hot mic comments.

00:12:40.960 Yeah, all the hot mic comments.

00:12:43.060 And, you know, I think Elon Musk's response to Ford cutting the,

00:12:51.920 cancelling the $100 million deal was, oh, well, two words.

00:12:55.900 Like a drop in the bucket for him.

00:12:58.040 Yeah, I mean, he carries out of his wallet.

00:13:00.040 That's the credit limit on his card.

00:13:02.320 Like 10 seconds worth of run time.

00:13:04.220 I felt sorry for all these Eastern liquor store owners who spent the day taking all the American booze off their shelves and putting it away. 0.82

00:13:13.360 And now they had that night, Monday night, they have to go back in and put them all back on again.

00:13:18.460 Oh, and to be fair, you know, I understand some of the need for some of the posturing.

00:13:22.740 I mean, you can't just take it laying down.

00:13:24.520 This was a pretty nasty shot at Canada and a threat with us.

00:13:28.280 Well, we've got to show somewhere, you know, that, hey, well, we will try how we can to reduce our consumption of your products.

00:13:36.060 And then some of the most visible are, you know, liquor, bourbon.

00:13:39.400 I mean, you know, switching to rye from bourbon.

00:13:42.560 I mean, you know, I don't drink any longer, but I think I would have sped my path to sobriety if I couldn't have gotten a hold of bourbon.

00:13:48.660 So, again, we're punishing ourselves.

00:13:50.600 But you can see the performative reasons to do those things.

00:13:53.320 say so i guess now the the next question is when will trudeau appoint the borders are

00:13:59.080 and what qualifications is he looking for do we need a military guy um you look at a guy like

00:14:07.720 home home in the states he's rough and tough and he's wearing the baseball caps and he's going

00:14:13.160 along on the ice rides and you know making threats and all that sort of stuff so uh do you appoint a

00:14:18.920 politician or do you appoint a military guy well this is trudeau on the lamest of lame ducks ever

00:14:24.840 seen in the world now i mean he's got weeks left on his his time as prime minister theoretically

00:14:30.120 anyways assuming he steps aside when the uh when when carney's coronated and uh should he be you

00:14:37.800 know like he's gonna be appointing friends it's patrick patronage time it's time i i just hope

00:14:44.200 that he would think that he's going to leave a legacy canada's interest in mind but he's never

00:14:47.880 surely he's got to appoint somebody capable i wonder how much i wonder how much say the the

00:14:53.160 premiers will have aren't they continue their first minister's talks with trudeau

00:14:57.640 i wonder you know which province gets asked to nominate somebody and uh and trudeau then picks

00:15:03.720 the best well you know i'm wondering if this uh shouldn't be like a joint you know kind of like

00:15:08.840 with you know where you have uh just a single unified kind of position as opposed to two

00:15:18.360 separate and distinct uh offices kind of repeating each other again that would kind of raise the

00:15:24.280 question of why we have separate border security teams instead of maybe just well a lot of it's a

00:15:34.040 a little backwards in a way. I mean, it's, again, we're dancing to Trump's tune. You kind of have

00:15:40.760 to when you got the elephant, you know, pushing on the door like that. But realistically, it's

00:15:46.540 actually should be more of the America's responsibility for border control onto what

00:15:49.700 goes south. I mean, that's the traditional way borders work. And we're responsible for trying

00:15:53.960 to control what's coming north. I mean, we cooperate with each other, you know, if there's

00:15:57.020 a smuggling problem from a part of Canada or something like that, we should work together

00:16:01.140 to stop that or rectify it now it's suddenly all on us and it's all on mexico to keep the

00:16:05.540 upward flow from going into the states well and what is coming north uh guys and the and the

00:16:11.220 amount of drugs that is coming from the north as compared to what's happening i mean we're talking

00:16:19.140 an order of magnitude and everybody's talking about the border and rightfully so what about

00:16:24.980 ports. Our ports are some of the leakiest in the world. The Port of Vancouver is known as notorious

00:16:32.580 as easy smuggling territory. It's controlled by the Hells Angels. Yeah. So, I mean, somebody

00:16:39.220 suggested, okay, we need to send 100, 500 RCMP officers to the Port of Vancouver and look in

00:16:46.580 every container that's coming in. Because you know damn well that the fentanyl is coming in through

00:16:52.260 china and it's coming in through the port of vancouver i would suggest largely and then

00:16:56.340 distributed uh distributed elsewhere you just have to walk through east hastings

00:17:04.180 consumer market i mean and those containers are coming by the the tens of thousands i don't know

00:17:08.740 the volumes and uh john rusthead we listen to him speak recently pointed out that only one percent

00:17:14.180 of those actually get inspected and the bulk of them they land in vancouver but then they end up

00:17:20.340 head and south they they go down there i don't know how much stringent uh control there is once

00:17:25.620 it crosses the southern border i guess multiple levels of control would help well he also pointed

00:17:30.420 out that um you know british columbia used to have a border like a port patrol agency and that

00:17:38.020 the provincial government there they haven't had one in how long it's been like almost 20 years

00:17:41.860 it's been a long time but i mean if you're uh that would give them something they wouldn't have to

00:17:45.780 have a border patrol they could just have a court authority or something you're looking to smuggle

00:17:51.460 something the odds are in your favor you know if you've got a big enough market hey i'm going to

00:17:54.580 lose one out of a hundred shipments okay i just spread it out amongst enough containers and we'll

00:17:59.140 be all right and the other uh mode of transportation is railway that doesn't get inspected at all

00:18:05.220 right right so if you want to smuggle something from either country i guess just put it underneath

00:18:10.740 the train and away you go so there's a lot more problems than just the border in the battle to

00:18:17.860 try and stop phantom well that's it if that is really what this issue is about i think we got

00:18:23.220 to look a little harder than just you know running blackhawk helicopters up and down the prairies

00:18:26.980 which is fine we can see the odd you know strange trucker in the middle of a wheat field trying to

00:18:30.900 cross border or something but realistically we got the bigger issues to deal with the containers the

00:18:36.740 smugglers themselves as i pointed out online when garretson got up and talked about

00:18:42.180 how most guns are coming from the states and i reminded them they're coming across at the

00:18:45.380 yakwesosney reserve you want to shut a politician up pretty quickly yeah you know they are terrified

00:18:51.060 of the mohawks i mean we don't have those here out in the west we don't have those cross-border 0.84

00:18:57.300 there's the the blood reserve in the south and then down into browning montana with the blackfoot

00:19:02.180 reserve uh there's a gap between karsten and the reserve of about 15 kilometers but they also have

00:19:07.060 some treaty exemptions that do allow there's some stuff moves down there but not to the extent like

00:19:13.700 the boats on the the river and the aquasas i mean that's that's always been known as an organized

00:19:18.420 crime hub and smuggling but nobody's got the guts to take that one are we going to stop fentanyl in

00:19:23.780 30 days not a chance just try and give it a go and get something organized yeah well so that's the

00:19:30.500 the latest uh you know thing that president trump has in mind with with canada and ragdolling us

00:19:35.620 we'll see what comes up before the next uh deadline hits for us so he's not just uh starting

00:19:41.860 with canada though he's shaken up the world he's turned his eyes to the middle east now it's it's

00:19:47.380 it's a whirlwind what he does and how quickly his orders are are followed uh yesterday he sparked

00:19:54.500 an outrage basically around the world by saying they should just flatten gaza remove all the

00:19:59.540 palestinians didn't say where they should go but he said in the past jordan and egypt and turn uh

00:20:07.140 turn the gaza strip into the riviera of the mid east uh this it's got some nice beaches it's nice

00:20:13.540 warm mediterranean ocean uh you know that's you know you can see trump casinos and and golf courses

00:20:22.740 and luxury retirement homes there but you know as we say there there's some problems

00:20:28.340 and what to do with the Palestinians.

00:20:32.260 He's got the deportation flights have begun to Guantanamoa.

00:20:37.640 He was just musing about it a couple of days ago,

00:20:39.820 and now they're already down there by the hundreds.

00:20:45.500 He has left, I guess, a letter that once Iran obliterated off the map 0.95

00:20:50.980 if they are successful in assassinating them.

00:20:54.660 there has been a couple of iranian-based plots that have been busted in the united states so

00:21:03.180 he will nuke the hell out of iran if they're successful in assassinating him he's reinforced

00:21:11.180 tariffs on iran sean can talk more about that with the oil uh he's got uh kennedy

00:21:21.200 He passed as his health czar, Pam Bondi, just earlier this morning, getting in his U.A.G.

00:21:31.380 You know, every time he opens his mouth, it's a news story, like five or six news stories

00:21:36.340 coming out of every press conference.

00:21:39.020 It's just hard to keep track.

00:21:40.800 And you look at the energy of the man compared to Biden.

00:21:43.920 You know, Biden was weakened at Bernie's sleepwalk, and Trump is just a whirlwind.

00:21:50.660 so you know lots to talk about uh on trump's week already and it's only three days in well he's

00:21:58.740 i mean he's giving a press conference he's given more press conferences last week

00:22:06.180 or even obama for that matter but uh so yeah he's he's willing um when i i ran i mean you know

00:22:13.860 kind of getting back to that for starters i mean that's been a thorn in the developing civilized

00:22:18.340 world's side since you know the 70s and the shah coming in and and ongoing with them the reason 1.00

00:22:25.760 though the world puts up with so much from that islamist bunch of lunatics is they're also the 1.00

00:22:30.040 third biggest producer of oil in the middle east right if if they do get heavy sanctions or tariffs

00:22:37.200 really applied on them that's really going to affect the world oil markets well and this is

00:22:41.960 the story that i was actually working on uh this morning before i and it's just it's up on the board

00:22:47.060 just about ready to go um it's he's not sanctioning iranian oil per se what he's doing is is he's

00:22:54.820 removing the exemptions from the countries that buy the iranian oil so that would be china india

00:23:02.420 turkey even some european union spain and italy japan south korea so you know now we're kind of

00:23:12.260 of widening this sanctions net.

00:23:15.220 And in response, China has put on sanctions,

00:23:18.920 or not sanctions, but tariffs, their own tariffs

00:23:21.840 on imported American oil and coal and LNG.

00:23:27.500 And so there's some talk that it might even restrict

00:23:34.240 the number of new LNG projects that are going

00:23:36.740 into the Gulf of Mexico,

00:23:37.980 because you know the US has been going to anglers

00:23:40.980 on energy well i don't hear we're struggling to get our one you know it's a pretty substantial

00:23:47.780 project but i mean it's been on the books for years and it's finally looking to start up here

00:23:53.620 later on this spring but i mean like in the interim the u.s has had a thousand of these things

00:24:01.780 so i don't know so we'll see what goes on oil prices is actually down this morning so

00:24:07.780 yeah one percent on opening something yeah something like that about a buck and a half

00:24:12.500 yeah and so again it's just so much to cover and then gaza so he's he's rattling the chain but we're 0.82

00:24:17.540 really seeing a pattern i think with trump too though i mean he just wants to get in and stir

00:24:20.980 the hell out of everything and then he can really get some concessions when he right when he i mean

00:24:26.500 i don't it's hard to read anything into trump but you know to try and figure out his motivations

00:24:32.740 but with guys i mean he knows enough to know like you can't just dump them out of there if you're

00:24:37.380 You know, I mean, as tempting as it sounds, it sounds fine to me.

00:24:40.440 I'd love the concept of a Riviera.

00:24:42.100 Let Egypt and Jordan have their little theocracies with a bunch of those loony Palestinians running around. 1.00

00:24:47.240 But I think he's shaking their chain.

00:24:49.740 Destabilizing everything else.

00:24:50.920 Similar to, you know, Canada 51st and all that, too, which he knew was never going to happen.

00:24:55.720 But, boy, it's sure it's the ants running around, isn't it?

00:24:58.800 Yeah, but you've seen the footage of Gaza.

00:25:01.180 It looks like every single building is being flattened.

00:25:05.000 The place is unlivable.

00:25:08.180 which he points out so it's uh the whole gaza strip is a demolition site trump says

00:25:16.820 so i mean what do you do it's it's going to be one of the world's greatest uh rebuilding projects

00:25:21.860 i guess after you know along with the ukraine that's going to be almost a marshal plan yeah um

00:25:28.820 so i mean where i mean where do you put the palestinians while you're rebuilding the gaza

00:25:33.140 a strip. We do know how these work because, you know, we've been through that with Israel every 0.97

00:25:39.300 time some idiot in the Arab nation attacks them and loses. They sit in tents for a decade or so, 0.98

00:25:45.400 it gets rebuilt, they put in terror tunnels, and then they punch themselves in the balls again.

00:25:49.220 But maybe this time, supervise the rebuilding. Don't let them pull the water pipes out of the

00:25:53.860 ground and make rocket launchers out of them. Don't let them build terror tunnels. Sorry guys,

00:25:57.720 you kids misbehaved. You can have your little area, but we're not leaving you on your own

00:26:02.140 to turn it into another hotbed of terrorism that's enough i i'm just that's my thinking but

00:26:07.920 you know trump's approach to things is okay we're starting to line that we're going to kick every

00:26:12.680 one of you out of there and i'm going to turn it into a little middle eastern las vegas and

00:26:17.600 eventually when he negotiates it back it might be something perhaps a lot more controlled like that

00:26:21.480 okay we'll let you stay but here's the conditions yeah i think you hit the nail on the head uh

00:26:27.780 they're not uh they're not going to be allowed to to rebuild hamas or rebuild tunnels or stuff

00:26:34.080 like that so it's got to be tightly controlled whatever uh whatever uh you know israel keeping 0.81

00:26:41.760 a close eye on them and because we don't want any more october 7th no no and then we still got our

00:26:47.540 local fruit loops that never seem to calm down in toronto just the other night they were all out

00:26:51.140 there screaming death to israel and we palestinian flags and all is that ever going to end i mean

00:26:55.940 the outside

00:26:58.920 Palestine supporters

00:27:00.340 there's nothing that's going to satisfy them

00:27:02.500 shy of the obliteration of Israel which isn't happening

00:27:04.800 so how are we ever going to deal with that?

00:27:06.800 Well, you know what, maybe

00:27:07.820 Trump's ordered the

00:27:09.740 Palestinian supporters

00:27:11.880 who are

00:27:13.300 just visiting the states to be

00:27:16.660 kicked out, so maybe

00:27:18.640 when our eastern

00:27:20.380 students see that, they may

00:27:22.340 you know, they're safe

00:27:24.660 in canada right well look how long it took to get rid of that idiot out uh you know bc with all his 0.95

00:27:29.800 convictions uh right years well you know until we get a new a new prime minister they're pretty safe

00:27:36.200 in canada it's going to be interesting to see i can't remember the last time there was a pro

00:27:42.680 palestinian demonstration in the states since trump got elected or even calgary really you know

00:27:47.680 the calgary police whipped them off the road really fast they didn't let him set up a camp

00:27:52.580 and university of calgary it's amazing when you actually crack down on these clowns that

00:27:56.420 they disappear and in toronto when you appease them they grow minus 30 helps that helps too

00:28:03.540 yeah i don't think people have some protests in general but i didn't stop the truckers convoy

00:28:07.940 well these are you know they had nice heated tabs oh yeah there's always an excuse it's not a tent

00:28:14.260 city i mean getting back to those deportations so this is a i'd say troubling though when trump's

00:28:19.060 talking about sending deportees to guantanamo that's when we're getting into some human rights

00:28:25.460 violations i mean i understand wanting to send deported colombians to colombia and twisting 0.95

00:28:29.540 arms hey they're your people they're your problem bloody well take them oh fine but dropping them 0.98

00:28:34.740 in guantanamo which is kind of that gray area um black zone never be seen again yeah i i don't know

00:28:41.460 i mean again is this i don't know well are these people criminals you know like that that was the

00:28:47.540 whole thing even back then about the terrorists like you said it was kind of a grain and there's

00:28:53.460 this image of Guantanamo as kind of being lawless so the idea here is that they're supposed to be

00:28:59.460 rounding up people that are illegal to us but is that a you know kind of a cause is that a

00:29:05.140 proportionate of them all in CIA holding pens and orange oak it's interesting yesterday Venezuela

00:29:14.820 offered to take any prisoners that they wanted deported right and i don't know if you've seen

00:29:20.180 the inside of that jail in el salvador i'm sorry el salvador not venezuela um i don't know if you've

00:29:26.820 seen the inside of that prison but it looks it's intense i think yeah it's like a little city

00:29:32.180 within a it's a bizarre huge and it's got thousands and thousands of gang members in there and

00:29:38.500 and the leadership in El Salvador says,

00:29:42.340 hey, you want to send prisoners our way, we'll take them.

00:29:45.460 And they said, we'll even take American citizens 0.97

00:29:48.880 and throw them in the slammer down here.

00:29:51.060 So that's probably not true.

00:29:52.640 And what are you going to do, pay them?

00:29:54.460 I think you pay them to-

00:29:55.980 A little cottage industry for El Salvador, I mean- 0.97

00:29:58.020 A little room and board.

00:29:59.560 Turn them into prison colonies. 0.95

00:30:02.140 Oh, it's-

00:30:02.980 Australia, oh. 0.55

00:30:04.440 And I just can't believe the speed

00:30:05.800 that everything's moving.

00:30:07.580 since trump took office he's got everybody on their heels and he i like how he set the

00:30:13.180 precedent with colombia these are non-citizens they're your freaking people don't you dare say 0.99

00:30:17.820 you can't take them back you know you deal with them we're done but that could be applied to any

00:30:23.100 country it should you know it could be applied to canada yeah he was dealing with them from the

00:30:27.660 the golf courses he was playing around all right they don't want to 50 or not 25 percent

00:30:31.500 Well, even the Canadian tariffs, he signed them from Mar-a-Lago, he was on the course.

00:30:38.500 You know, we've got to learn from these things. How long did it take us to get rid of Charles Ng?

00:30:42.500 Oh, nine years.

00:30:44.500 For people who aren't as aged as us, you know, he was a sick Californian mass murderer who we...

00:30:51.500 I think you broke that, didn't you?

00:30:53.500 Yeah, I was covering it back in the 80s, arrested during the Calgary Stampede after shooting a security guard down at the bay.

00:31:03.660 Yeah, it was eight or nine years until we could get rid of him because he kept appealing and appealing and appealing.

00:31:10.100 Wasn't he in jail here, though?

00:31:11.600 He was in jail.

00:31:12.220 In jail?

00:31:12.620 No, no, no.

00:31:13.160 He was on the run in Canada, and he was arrested in 1985 during the Stampede.

00:31:21.520 Living in Fish Creek Park.

00:31:22.740 yeah he was living in fish creek park uh but he was jailed in canada for for years and years and

00:31:29.940 years until we could get him out back to california now he's on death row in san quentin i think

00:31:35.940 oh no you know what he's not because one of the deals to get him back was uh

00:31:44.180 quentin yeah but i mean if we can't get rid of somebody as awful as him in a timely manner

00:31:50.500 How are we ever going to get rid of somebody who's, in my view, still, okay, he did three burglaries and he doesn't have citizenship. 1.00

00:31:56.000 My view, get out of here.

00:31:57.920 We could get rid of murders, though.

00:31:59.040 Well, that's what we used to be doing.

00:32:00.600 Change the law.

00:32:02.140 You don't have a liberal government in power, you change the law and you get it done.

00:32:07.440 Well, I wonder, you know, that's speculation.

00:32:09.140 How closely is, I mean, it's most likely we're going to see Prime Minister Pierre Polyev within 12 months' time.

00:32:17.100 Who knows?

00:32:17.400 I mean, the world's gone so insane, I'm not putting anything in the tank.

00:32:21.140 But is he watching Trump?

00:32:23.480 Is he seeing, you know, how much of this can I do in my first year in power?

00:32:28.840 Or is he going to try the usual Canadian, quiet, incremental recipe for food?

00:32:33.840 It's going to be interesting because today in Vancouver, he had a press conference.

00:32:38.320 He said he would give life sentences to fentanyl kingpins.

00:32:43.660 Very Trump-like, I think, isn't it?

00:32:45.480 um so obviously we're a different country and he when polyev if he becomes prime minister he can't

00:32:54.740 just sign executive orders all day from uh does it does the canadian prime minister's office have

00:33:02.280 a name the pmo and the privy council kind of is tied in there and that's part of cabinet

00:33:08.340 but interestingly there was a poll yesterday and it's just the one that showed the liberals uh

00:33:14.400 ahead in ontario again uh just concerning um but yeah i mean paulio's got to be looking at trump

00:33:22.320 and thinking that's gonna it's a good idea that's gonna well you know then he's obviously gonna be

00:33:27.160 hamstring well the thing that struck me is that uh trump is probably his biggest problem you know

00:33:35.620 what i mean because now he's almost got to come out against some of these things that trump is

00:33:39.960 doing because trump is almost kind of undercutting them at the years

00:33:43.100 but now with all this uh kind of anti-american sentiment

00:33:50.220 the hockey games and things like that it's like you said it seems to be you know trudeau has

00:33:55.820 gone up for the first time in almost two years right so trump almost seems to be working against

00:34:03.480 him like how do you count it as a guy you know who wrote a book on alberta sovereignty it warms

00:34:09.960 the cockles of my heart to think of eastern canada putting the liberals back in its circumstances

00:34:14.200 because i'll have a bestseller but uh in reality i mean is that really what's going to happen i

00:34:20.420 mean we'll kind of segue into the next one i mean the unity issues the canadian differences

00:34:24.120 i don't kind of back to quebec again i mean that's the risk polyev has now he's really

00:34:30.280 straddling i mean everybody's kind of agreeing we need to diversify our energy sources but quebec

00:34:34.680 saying no and the only thing that scares politicians more than first nations people are

00:34:40.520 french operators is is probably going to be ready to take on a unity battle in quebec

00:34:47.400 he may not have a choice not have a choice uh uh you know we talked about it earlier but

00:34:54.760 you know everybody's saying okay we must become energy independent we must be coming

00:34:58.520 it throws up his hands and says no um we were talking earlier today sean about kitamat finally

00:35:06.840 coming online and increased opportunity for canadian lng sales yeah where's that going to come

00:35:13.480 from uh japan japan and also uh from china uh these uh tariff this trade war with trump escalates

00:35:22.360 China would be obviously looking for more, probably even cool.

00:35:30.760 That could be an unintended consequence of Trump's multiple trade war fronts,

00:35:38.440 not only in hospitals in Asia, because, you know, on the electric cars,

00:35:45.700 we've got 100% tariffs on Chinese-made EVs, right?

00:35:48.780 Well, if he goes and sanctions the auto industry, what's to stop us from all of a sudden removing those tariffs on Chinese cars and buying $10,000, you know, let them flood the market with $10,000 EVs, notwithstanding all these subsidies that we have for battery companies.

00:36:06.820 It's an issue for another show, that.

00:36:10.480 But I mean, the world is our oyster if we could just get these products to market.

00:36:14.100 I mean, India has the biggest refinery on the planet.

00:36:17.620 And having another source of feedstock, I'm certain they'd be happy with that, especially if things might go a little off with Iran or things like, you know, Europe, again, they came cap in hand.

00:36:28.260 Germany and others saying, can you please supply us with LNG?

00:36:32.020 Trudeau, of course, said, no, there's no business case for it and sent them away.

00:36:34.840 And then they cut a big deal with Qatar.

00:36:36.620 Right.

00:36:36.820 We know there's a market for it, but we just can't get it to the coast.

00:36:42.620 I mean, that's the thing is Team Quebec, as you said, it's now it's Team Canada, the trader.

00:36:47.780 Are we ever going to get a government with the huevos to tell Quebec this is the way it's going to?

00:36:55.420 No.

00:36:56.940 If we did, they would just take their bowl and go home.

00:37:00.120 Boy, that's fine by me, you know.

00:37:02.520 Maybe it's about time.

00:37:03.760 And correct me if I'm wrong, Sean, the Energy East proposal was not only oil, it was natural gas.

00:37:12.440 No, what it was was converting sections of the natural gas line over to get the oil out there.

00:37:20.640 And then there was some diluants and things that were coming back.

00:37:24.260 This is another thing that happens with the heavy oil going down to the States is because it has to be diluted.

00:37:31.360 so not only do they get the benefit of a cheaper oil price but they also get all these uh natural

00:37:36.560 gas that actually have a lot of value i think oil is actually a very valuable commodity because of

00:37:42.800 all the byproducts so when when premier smith is saying they take 100 billion dollars worth of

00:37:48.880 oil and 300 billion dollars worth of stuff and it allows them to export their own oil at a higher

00:37:55.360 price like they are getting by far the most benefit out of it well it's been more than we

00:38:02.320 are frustrating to watch the social media discussion though i understand that's not

00:38:05.360 where you're going to see nuanced talk sometimes but the the ignorance on energy and oil and some

00:38:10.560 of the the way things are valued you know i saw american people and canadian people out alberta's

00:38:15.280 crappy heavy oil is expensive to refine it's no good anyways well it is it is but i mean it also

00:38:20.960 So, I mean, if you want diesel, if you want kerosene, if you want Jet B, this is the stuff.

00:38:25.840 If you want paraffin wax.

00:38:26.900 Yes, it is.

00:38:27.840 So, I mean, it's got different value-added products than Saudi Arabian light that's going to make a quick, easy gasoline.

00:38:32.820 But don't devalue what this heavy oil provides.

00:38:37.400 They've already sunk a lot of money into building these refineries as well.

00:38:40.580 Well, that's part of it.

00:38:41.820 And the only other source is if suddenly Canada is not shipping south with heavy oil, well, they're going to have to go knocking on Venezuela's door.

00:38:49.320 i know none of us like government involvement in business but is it is it worth the alberta

00:38:55.180 government building a refinery i know it's going to cost three or four billion refineries are

00:38:59.640 normally at the end use so they're they're closer to the consumer markets right um there was some

00:39:06.940 talk though of maybe the alberta government buying like almost a holding company to buy up all the

00:39:13.260 oil and then resell it to avoid some of these, you know, one thing with Smith, and it's not

00:39:22.360 just on oil, but with the renewable energy and the power and stuff like she's, she hasn't

00:39:29.740 exactly done it yet, but she has expressed a willingness to get kind of, you know, the

00:39:35.760 government involved in these markets to restructure them. Probably not since we've seen since

00:39:42.080 well i'm not big on government involving just my thoughts out there one of the things smith

00:39:45.920 talked about even before she became premier though was always about an energy corridor i mean that's

00:39:51.120 something if the government could just say okay we're going to deal with the land the the issues

00:39:57.740 and so on this is the path private markets now you're going to have to if you want this is where

00:40:02.480 you're going to put the pipeline this is where you're going to put the power transmission line

00:40:05.020 this is where we will provide the corridor other than that we're not building a pipe we saw how

00:40:09.680 well the government did transmountain we're not going to build a refinery but you know if you

00:40:13.080 got a pipe to the west coast or east coast maybe there's going to be a reason for a new refinery

00:40:17.160 but the government's role is just to make sure the industry knows they can get there if they start

00:40:22.920 like it they're like lucy and you know charlie brown with a football it's been yanked away so

00:40:27.020 many times what amount of assurances from the government will it take before they start to put

00:40:31.560 money back into this we know it's there the government's got to make sure they can do it

00:40:35.800 yeah it's uh it's almost sort of one calling in a question daniel smith's

00:40:43.240 vow to double oil production that's a bit of a bright dream but uh what you're talking about

00:40:49.800 the government regular regulatory certainty like when we're in pritis um the folks from british

00:40:57.880 columbia see a lot of people don't realize that one of the problems is uh british columbia is the

00:41:02.600 only province in Canada that does not have land claims treaties with its First Nations.

00:41:07.580 So what's happening is that the companies are forced to deal with each one's on a, you

00:41:12.600 know, tribe by tribe basis.

00:41:14.260 So instead of the government taking responsibility for these things, like you said, these corridors,

00:41:18.980 which have traditionally followed, you know, the rivers, you know, or the highway, right?

00:41:24.760 The Trans-Canada Highway, you know, they basically have to take responsibility left

00:41:29.660 enough to the oil companies to have to deal with these people.

00:41:32.600 And that's ever-shifting.

00:41:33.800 And oil companies are not social development agencies.

00:41:36.820 No.

00:41:37.360 They're businesses.

00:41:38.160 And they tried with the coastal gas link,

00:41:40.040 and look what a nightmare that turned into,

00:41:41.780 because then you get the goalposts moving,

00:41:43.660 you cut a deal with the Wet'suwesson,

00:41:45.620 but suddenly the Greenies cut a deal

00:41:48.320 with the hereditary chiefs,

00:41:50.260 which is basically like saying

00:41:51.720 we're going to get a relative of King Charles

00:41:54.400 to come in and interfere with Canadian policy.

00:41:56.640 With their estates.

00:41:57.580 But again, the government wouldn't get in

00:41:59.520 and say, look, this is the law.

00:42:01.680 Yeah, they just said,

00:42:02.400 about sorry guys you know just keep trying to negotiate well didn't we have a story on the

00:42:06.400 land use in british columbia on use uh oh probably uh same to me within the last few days but

00:42:13.160 we have so much stuff on our website i know it's you know what i've uh been in the business a long

00:42:19.920 time i've never seen such a crazy month it just never stops and then between all the political

00:42:26.260 stuff you got planes falling out of the sky and you know it's just it's uh it's a great time to

00:42:32.680 be in the news business well yeah so i mean and we're going to get to our parting shots so before

00:42:36.860 we get to that i'll just kind of remind everybody too the westernstandard.news get on there take out

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00:42:55.640 important if you've already subscribed thank you very much if you haven't come on get on with it

00:42:59.480 all right party shots let's start dave what do you got if trump is successful and turns uh

00:43:06.360 gaza into the uh riviera of the middle east sign me up for my retirement home

00:43:14.360 on the golf course 15th hole please sounds good i could see if he's just i don't know just watch

00:43:19.160 for those scud missiles yeah exactly all right what do you got you um well interesting thing in

00:43:26.840 an otherwise uh dull press conference with uh nathan newdorf yesterday minister of

00:43:34.760 but also utilities so uh ask them about the uh tariffs on electricity exports you know

00:43:40.760 like what are we talking about in dollar terms he's like oh about a hundred thousand dollars

00:43:45.640 $100,000. British Columbia is $5 billion. Quebec is about $10 billion. Even Manitoba is about a

00:43:52.580 billion dollars. This is the electricity that we send. Electricity that we send south to Montana.

00:43:58.400 So huge potential opportunities there to expand the market and maybe build out some infrastructure

00:44:05.500 and maybe get somebody else to pay for it. Maybe he'll kind of deal at the prayer breakfast.

00:44:10.320 that's a separate issue

00:44:14.060 he'll pray for a better deal over his

00:44:16.420 egg Benny I guess

00:44:17.580 alright now I'm going to finish off don't forget folks

00:44:20.260 it's Super Bowl Sunday this weekend

00:44:22.200 we got Philadelphia and Kansas

00:44:24.380 and I can't stand either of them

00:44:25.980 Kenny Pickett I just want to

00:44:28.380 see him go down because he doesn't deserve a Super

00:44:30.340 Bowl ring for being a nasty backup quarterback

00:44:32.400 but again I'm tired of looking at

00:44:34.300 the cutaways to Taylor Swift every half

00:44:36.340 an hour

00:44:36.740 but I'll watch the game

00:44:40.320 I don't know, send me an email, tell me which one you hate more than the others, and I'll

00:44:44.600 make my bets appropriately, and then it'll turn out the other way, because I'm terrible

00:44:47.500 at sports betting.

00:44:48.380 I wouldn't bet against Kansas City.

00:44:51.600 I wouldn't bet against Taylor Swift.

00:44:54.220 I think they've got some betting sites that you can bet how many times they'll cut away

00:44:59.780 and show her in this private.

00:45:03.020 And Donald Trump becoming the first sitting president to attend the Super Bowl.

00:45:07.640 Yeah, no, it's going to be a good game.

00:45:09.840 It really is. And you can't count out Kansas. I mean, God, love them or hate them. They're good. They're bloody good.

00:45:16.160 All right. Well, thank you guys. And thank all of you guys for tuning in. So keep up.

00:45:22.180 There's going to be another episode with Jen on, I think, filling in for Nigel Hannaford, my show, of course, on Wednesdays and this show coming every Thursday.

00:45:32.300 So keep tuning in. We appreciate you tuning in this time and I'll see you on the next one.

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BRIEF REPRIEVE — Trump delays tariffs on Canada

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