00:01:58.680Has been for probably a couple of years now.
00:02:01.180So they're just cutting everywhere they can.
00:02:03.780But they've really cut things in Alberta now.
00:02:06.780Dave, you can lay out a bit what happened there.
00:02:09.540Well, they said that they're shutting down all their offices, Global TV and Calgary for the time being.
00:02:13.780They're relocating and consolidating everything in Toronto, which, like you said, I think part of that has to do with revenue.
00:02:20.340And I'd like to know actually what their viewership and readership's been the last couple of years.
00:02:23.720Because as you know, recently, 660 News Radio and Fan 960 as well were shut down in Calgary, just totally taken off the air midstream.
00:02:32.640And basically, they were saying as well, viewership was down, revenues down.
00:02:35.420So I think this is sort of a similar thing, Corey.
00:02:37.400Like I said, I don't think any of the numbers have come out on what their exact viewership has been recently for Global.
00:02:42.240So that'd be very interesting to find out.
00:02:44.000Because that's got to be one of the main reasons I'm thinking.
00:02:46.160Yeah, well, I mean, an issue with local coverage, local media outlets, it's difficult to make money in that market. Maybe, Lindsay, you could speak to this a bit. I mean, you used to write, I think, for the Cochran Eagle, didn't you? You know, little newspapers like that were actually still put out some great copy and had some good, but they're having a very tough time now, I imagine. Like, how does this bode for local coverage on things?
00:03:10.500Yeah, I don't want to pick on Copern's newspaper, but certainly in the 10 years that I was there,
00:03:14.940it was a very different time. And we had a very robust paper and, you know, our advertising was
00:03:20.680doing well. And I was kind of there, like I was there from 2009 to 2019. And I really watched
00:03:25.860that, that transformation. There's no other way to describe that it was, you know, when you went
00:03:32.060from the big days of traditional, costly newspaper ads, and then with the advent of being online,
00:03:37.780and newspapers just never really figured out the model, but we're really suffering.
00:03:41.540Um, you know, I lament about this a lot. I've talked to you about this a lot, Corey, is where
00:03:47.300do we go with journalism? Because yes, it's excellent that we have, you know, all these
00:03:52.100online platforms and that we have all these independent voices, but, but who is there to
00:03:57.300determine where the truth is coming from, right? So we have a lot of these so-called self-appointed
00:04:01.940journalists but there's no metric there's no i mean regulatory body and i hate saying that because i
00:04:08.100don't i'm typically not a fan of more government regulation with anything but we really have to do
00:04:13.060something to stop this problem because it's not a viable industry it's been drowning for years
00:04:18.020uh the transition to online we just we still can't figure out a business model that really works
00:04:23.300um and we're seeing that now with radio it's i know the fan the fan was a big loss for
00:04:28.020For Calgarians, we're really lamenting that one.
00:04:30.660But I don't know, the centralization, it's just not good.
00:04:35.260We need Albertans telling Albertans stories, that's for sure.
00:04:38.180So I'm hopeful to see that there's going to be some news on the horizon
00:04:41.500of some local markets kind of picking up where the space that this leaves.
00:04:47.080Yeah, well, I think Lindsay makes a really important point there.
00:04:50.520I mean, for all of our lives, we've tended to think that the news media are biased.
00:05:25.140and somebody will believe them you know and one thing much as i personally don't like the0.62
00:05:33.540editorial position taken by the toronto star and much as i don't trust the cbc entirely
00:05:39.760to give you a nuanced balanced story of things i do know that serious newspapers
00:05:46.000are not going to run a story about somebody who ran into elders standing beside a
00:05:51.420flying saucer with a rhinoceros in the background you know that there are certain basic things that
00:05:57.520the old media can still do one of the interesting ones is that and i and i almost hate this except
00:06:04.900that i realize that it's got its value they still define what is a story you know one of the
00:06:10.160interesting things and one of the things that saddens me is that we might hear of the western
00:06:14.040standard put out a story and it's the truth and nothing but the truth and it goes out and people
00:06:24.040say hmm that's interesting 10 days later when the heritage media report the same thing people say
00:06:33.480oh did you see in the paper that so it's got it's this unfortunate ability that they still have
00:06:39.720unfortunate for our point of view to define what the story is um so when people like chorus
00:06:47.880go out of business uh when newspapers go out of business that is what we lose and
00:06:57.720i say this with some sadness because right now the our federal government is looking for ways
00:07:03.640to, they call it to get rid of disinformation. That's one of the objects of several of the bills
00:07:11.320that are going through the House right now. What's getting rid of disinformation? Well,
00:07:16.520according to them, it could be things that here in Alberta we take very seriously and with good
00:07:20.840reason. The newspapers, the regular press still has the ability to say, yeah, actually there is
00:07:25.960a story here. Well, competition used to regulate things. I mean, if a publication was known for
00:07:31.000misinformation over and over again eventually people would just stop reading or viewing or
00:07:35.320listening to it but when you have fewer competitors out there to give those alternatives or to hold
00:07:40.520yet their competitors and check it gets more difficult but another issue and i mean i know
00:07:44.600like like dave you've got to pick which stories you're going to write which you aren't we're not
00:07:47.800churning one out every few minutes the temptation or just the reality is too when we talk about
00:07:53.400local coverage but you want to reach as broad an audience as possible a local story that might be
00:07:58.680really important to southwest calgary is going to be placed farther down the back burner over
00:08:04.580something maybe a provincial or national interest because you just have to get those clicks and
00:08:09.700viewers and broadly do that so i mean this you know really changes the choices that are made
00:08:15.020in newsrooms i was going to say like how exactly would they sort of people say in alberta that are
00:08:19.540already skeptical about people that are running media in toronto take to this because for example
00:08:23.900I mean, if they're doing a story, say, say, I don't know, of course, there's a story on Alberta politics after they've moved everything to Toronto.
00:08:31.100Well, how do they know? Like, obviously, Alberta is very distinct politically, you know, culturally.
00:08:35.800They're not going to have people on the ground that really understand what Albertans like are about.
00:08:39.900So how exactly is that going to work really in essence when I think about it?
00:08:43.020Because as you said, they're not local.
00:08:45.160And I mean, they're going to probably tell it through a lens of, well, the reporter, let's be honest, is probably from Toronto, might not have ever been to Alberta.
00:08:51.300So they're going to probably tell it from an already biased liberal lens.
00:08:54.520And that's probably just going to get worse now because they don't have anyone on the ground in Alberta, in Calgary, etc.
00:08:59.180Yeah, we're biased aside. It'd just be less good reporting on the ground.
00:09:02.660Hopefully they get a couple of stringers.
00:09:04.540That's what we used to, you know, even people like the Calgary Herald or the Edmonton Journal can't keep reporters everywhere.
00:09:11.340So, you know, in Camrose, you'd have somebody give you a call and there was a drop fight in the back alley, you know.
00:09:17.420that so so hopefully chorus will be able to keep that that is we'll just use social media why not
00:09:22.780see a video on there somebody posted from calgary and that'll be it really yeah well i mean lindsay
00:09:28.300i'll throw you the easy one what's the solution though where do we go right uh you know how do
00:09:33.420we make sure people are informed with trustworthy sources of news well i mean first of all i want
00:09:38.700to say that i'm not a fan of government regulation and and we see the bills c11 c18 and everything
00:09:44.780you know just throttling free speech so i'm not a fan of the government regulatory approach but
00:09:49.500you know i i would be open to something that's within the industry to have some real form of
00:09:56.380accreditation and real accountability because you know when i went to journalism school and when i
00:10:01.100was a reporter there was really something when i would make a mistake in a print article and the
00:10:09.180next week i'd have to run a retraction on it right like there's something very humbling about having
00:10:13.660to go through that experience and journalists don't have to go through that because you can
00:10:16.700just hit delete backspace you can go into the back end of your website and you can change that
00:10:21.180but when you come from that school and you come from being trained that way it just makes you
00:10:25.580even more meticulous in your work and so when i look at kind of like this whole stratosphere we
00:10:31.180have of online commentators uh from the left to the right and i see a lot of um disinformation
00:10:39.020from both ends of the spectrum i do think we need to have some kind of um industry body that is is
00:10:47.260having some level of monitoring this how do we do that and separate it from the government i i haven't
00:10:52.140come up with that yet but i think we could put our heads together and find something because we need
00:10:56.140something it is a little too wild west right now and uh and we can't we can't have this well it's
00:11:02.380up to the individual consuming the news the onus is on these people to determine what is factual
00:11:07.580not that's not fair that's that's not that's not a correct approach either but i think we need to
00:11:13.000do something because it is too wild west right now lindsay i think you've said what a lot of people
00:11:18.100think but i also have to take issue with you on that the day that you have to have a license to
00:11:24.160be a journalist whether it is issued by the government or by a government-funded industry
00:11:28.760body which is what we actually have at the moment that is the day that we say goodbye to people
00:11:36.060having the right to free speech you've got to you you just cannot we better take it away from the
00:11:40.380person is authorized to speak because they have the right opinions how but how do we do it that
00:11:45.700we could take it away from the government and it's not connected to the government that's the
00:11:49.160challenge that i don't know because the only solution has been to regulate it through the
00:11:52.540government and we know clearly that that's not working no i think what what the solution is
00:11:58.120we all have to just what's the expression fight fight fight never let the right to publish what
00:12:04.860you think is the truth i mean take it up with the courts later if you get it wrong and you slander
00:12:10.540somebody but everybody has the right to free speech and when you start saying well you have
00:12:17.260the right to free speech but only if we give you this driving license to go on the internet then
00:12:23.340legitimate opinions are going to be silenced this takes us i don't i won't take you back to the you
00:12:29.180know the canada of the colonial era but the case of joseph howe for those who know it is absolutely
00:12:34.060indicative the government said he had no right to say what he said but he was right and proved it0.97
00:12:39.660so gee i'm glad you're on the show today that's uh this is this is well and a contemporary as we
00:12:46.620kind of close off this part and humbling example i want to offer though with new outlets and new
00:12:51.500ways of doing things and it's not a scam i'm sure derek would want me to pick but it's worth uh
00:12:56.300showing the learning curve when the western standard was in its early years we chased a
00:12:59.980story that turned out to be very inaccurate and we pit the publish button before we should have
00:13:06.620and it led to a very embarrassing retraction and a whole bunch of other things which was
00:13:11.020awful and not good a lesson we shouldn't have had to learn i guess but what i kind of take heart
00:13:15.740from was our readers were furious and they let us know and our subscriptions took a hit like people
00:13:23.420unsubscribed over that because they did not appreciate being fed something inaccurate
00:13:27.580but that really let us know they are watching and there's a degree of self-policing from the
00:13:33.660readers and viewers that if you are chronically and we aren't that was a one-off we learned very
00:13:39.440well from that and certainly changed that never happened again but they're the ones who punished
00:13:43.540us not a regulatory body or anything else they were saying if you're going to do that to us
00:13:47.220you better find funding somewhere else because i'm not paying for a subscription so
00:13:50.940gives a little bit of hope anyways i mean i i like to have some optimism so i'll i'll flip
00:13:57.220into something different here fascist pancakes good lord on there i know i had to that's for
00:14:03.860dave because he likes his his cheesy wordplay we don't have him here today uh i should probably
00:14:09.300save this for a parting shot but you know fascist pancakes to me on the video they look fairly fat
00:14:14.660what would coffee pancakes be like really thin enough it would be rationed and we would all be
00:14:22.980on a diet anyone's but i mean mussolini was famous for his pancakes people don't know that
00:14:29.320little tidbit but uh oh the italian breakfast they'd have at their stampede gatherings were
00:14:35.040unknown but you know it gets to that you know the term fascist is being so liberally applied0.58
00:14:44.460thrown out at everybody people kind of laughed it off when this lunatic appreciation i shall let you
00:14:50.020kind of lay out that story and where we're going probably talk about charlie kirk and whatnot
00:14:53.660because they kept well it seems like the left now and labels everyone who disagrees with them on any
00:14:58.180little thing fascist and these let's be honest these are people that don't know anything about
00:15:01.580fascism or national socialism probably they don't know anything about any of these policies and i'm
00:15:05.200trying to figure out how they'd figure that danielle smith is a fascist when she's pro-capitalist pro
00:15:10.200free market it's like trump they go on about him being a nazi and he's buddy buddy with israel and
00:15:14.340jews i'm like how exactly does this one work it's just basically just a term basically in my opinion
00:15:19.320in essence, just to refer to someone as the big bad.0.95
00:15:21.840And it basically enables them, like you say, to dehumanize basically anyone they disagree with,
00:15:26.100because Nazi apparently, obviously, well, is the big bad for the last eight years.
00:15:29.460So then they think that it's okay to use violence against them.
00:15:32.180That's basically what happened with Charlie Kirk.0.96
00:15:33.500They just kept referring to him as a Nazi, Nazi fascist.0.50
00:20:16.220one side is particularly prone to violence because they are on the outside looking in
00:20:22.820and you saw a perfect example of it that is actually extremely distressing for our democracy
00:20:28.640right now well it's dangerous and and you know a lot of dangerous that thought exercise a lot
00:20:34.400of people do you know if you could go back in time and you know find hitler and kill him before
00:20:38.600world war ii would you do so and such unfortunately i think that's kind of the thing that comes into
00:20:42.960the unhinged minds of the occasional person and when they've really actually convinced themselves
00:20:47.800that this politician or that public figure may be the next mass murderer they feel that they're
00:20:54.180you know they're they gotta screw loose they're they think they're doing the world a favor
00:20:57.340by taking them out like we shouldn't tolerate this did you guys watch the video did you watch
00:21:02.380the video of this yes i don't even want to say her name because i don't want to give any more
00:21:06.240airtime to these lunatics so let's just not even say her name the person who's recording this i
00:21:10.760watched it on that breakdown and the honestly I was left like I mean like that like the hair stood0.63
00:21:17.640up on the back of my neck because I thought if these people keep going like this somebody's
00:21:21.900going to hurt this premier the rage like they're just you could feel this woman just shaking and
00:21:27.140the rage towards the premier who's as always very calm and collected it's uh it's really disturbing
00:21:33.680so um I'm not a big fan on government spending more on on a whole lot of things but I'm okay
00:21:39.280with them upping her security detail for security for sure but as i said you know the names didn't
00:21:44.340come up but i'm going to name them janice erwin and heather mcpherson who are both elected officials
00:21:49.320on two levels of government who both celebrated this they celebrated it and propagated it further
00:21:55.160you know that's a new level of irresponsibility i mean these are people who are at a different
00:22:00.600level of of what should be a respectability they they would both get thrown out of the
00:22:05.120legislatures that they speak in if they use that term on the floor to describe an opponent,
00:22:11.420but they feel that they can embrace that sort of attitude right now.
00:22:14.300So here's a question for you, Corey. What do you think it would have done for NDP popularity if
00:22:19.340either one of those individuals had come out after the incident and said, look, we have our
00:22:24.080disagreements with Premier Smith, and there are many. However, there are limits to what we're
00:22:30.980prepared to support and this was way past anything that we could support we are sorry for the premier
00:22:37.000having this awkward moment and we frankly have no sympathy for the person involved i think it
00:22:41.560would have done them well with voters in their scores would have gone up yes right rational
00:22:45.540people for the most part yeah what do you think that they actually believe this themselves or do
00:22:50.140you really think that they are just pandering to like a certain part of their base and how big is
00:22:53.600this it's like the far real radical left base of the ndp that would agree that daniel smith is a
00:22:58.380fascist that's what i've been trying to figure out i don't know if you listen to heather mcpherson
00:23:01.360i i yeah i mean erwin i she's actually pretty rational when she starts speaking you know0.68
00:23:08.200she is a bright woman she's definitely way over on the left fringe but mcpherson she's pretty0.99
00:23:13.920if you listen to her you're getting some pretty crazed rhetoric out of that lady so i i think she
00:23:19.000might be able to or speculating uh you know i don't want to speculate on them being true believers
00:23:23.200of an extreme ideology or i'm starting to become as irresponsible as they are i guess but but they
00:23:28.080really should know better than to to promote this you know the way much as we disagree with mark
00:23:34.000carney we do try to um express it by referring to him as mr carney and not as uh carney or mr
00:23:42.000trudeau of course got several epithets directed as weibo we don't sell coffee mugs we don't sell
00:23:49.600the coffee mugs no no but i mean and again you could search my twitter scroll i'm an inflammatory0.98
00:23:57.360jerk online. I call people a lot of things and make fun of them. I spoke of Trudeau being pegged0.93
00:24:02.080recently. I'll let others look up what that means. But the difference is, you know, out of all of
00:24:09.460those things, I've never called him a communist. Because he isn't. He's many, many things. But
00:24:16.720Trudeau wasn't a communist. So I just don't go there. So even somebody as belligerent as myself
00:24:22.480knows better than to cross that bigger line, you know, because that would also be dangerously
00:24:27.680dehumanizing Trudeau or Kearney, you know, trying to compare them to Mao Zedong or Joseph Stalin.
00:24:36.880It's not a valid comparison to make with them. I call Trudeau an idiot, and I think I can make1.00
00:24:41.320a very good case for it. But communist, no. But that's where the rhetoric's going. I, you know,1.00
00:24:47.120it's always been around, I think, to a degree, but social media really helps inflame it.
00:24:51.980Well, definitely. Well, let's get on to an easy subject, Trump. And we've got more tariffs or more tariff threats. I got to admit this, this broken record of this endless threats and back and forth and, and pushing, you know, between Trump and the federal government. What's going on now?
00:25:14.520Well, I'll give you my best shot, Corey, but this is actually, as you said, a pretty big subject.
00:25:21.600So back in Harper's time, there was a deal.
00:25:24.800We were going to build a second bridge.
00:25:26.160Right now, there's one in operation, the Ambassador Bridge,
00:25:29.660and there's something like $4 billion worth of goods going backwards and forwards
00:25:33.860over the Ambassador Bridge every single day.
00:26:05.920because we have permission to put the other side on American soil
00:26:09.680they're not contributing to the finances of it well then they finished the bridge now mr trump
00:26:17.280is is president and he the thing to know about there's a lot of things to know about trump and
00:26:23.760in fact there's a chap just published a book uh called negotiating with trump and sort of
00:26:30.160the quick calls notes on that is that he said look trump is not actually a long-term thinker
00:26:34.880he'd like you to think he was but he's not he's opportunistic and he's always looking for a win
00:26:41.040and the win is just for him it's like winning a is winning the soccer match or something like that
00:26:47.360you play the game it's done you grab the trophy and you're on to the next thing this this is a
00:26:53.120trumpian win so somebody said mr president the canadians have just built a bridge and we're not
00:27:03.440getting anything out of it that is like lighting the blue touch paper and he was off and so we've
00:27:11.920got a reason well i guess we need to have something i need a win give me money and i i gather the
00:27:18.960original deal was that uh they were going to take 50 of the tolls and just take that much longer to
00:27:26.160uh to build a thing you know unfortunately mr carney let that happen because we want wins as
00:27:34.400well in this country and there are things that the americans want like critical minerals
00:27:43.440like us taking a higher profile in continental defense
00:27:48.160that we could have levered to get our own win but we didn't so we basically gave away the farm
00:28:00.460this is how i interpret it um and the and uh mr trump's goal said all right if you're going to
00:28:10.580roll over i'm going to walk over the top of you which is what he's doing right now mr trump's
00:28:16.520And actions make perfect sense if you are an American, if you are a Canadian, that's something we should have been resisting more strongly.
00:28:24.420Well, I mean, where, you know, this is one of the areas I'm not typically sympathetic to Mr. Carney, and I think he's done some terrible things in response.
00:28:32.200I want to go into that a little later because he's kind of eating a whole lot of his own words or dodging eating his own words right now.
00:28:37.760But what on earth do you do when trying to negotiate with somebody like President Trump?
00:28:43.560are any agreements worth the value of what they were saying i mean it was 2012 when that agreement
00:28:48.780came about uh you know like lindsey what's a prime minister supposed to do you know when you're
00:28:55.040dealing with somebody like the orange man south of the border well i'll tell you what he's not
00:29:00.160supposed to do is is to be reactive like you know premier ford is i mean all i really want to add
00:29:06.700to this is that i really think and i love to see this western alliance that's shaping up certainly
00:29:11.720with the the election of the new bc conservative um party leader carolyn finley and i think that
00:29:19.080i think that her approach and premier daniel smith's approach is probably the most level-headed
00:29:24.000right you don't take a knife to a gunfight don't poke the bear retaliatory tariffs are not where
00:29:29.780it's at you know you're gonna have to give trump the win somehow or make you know at least the win
00:29:38.820at least because that's how it is and you know he's bigger and bolder and and uh he he will win
00:29:44.900so why make it worse but retaliatory tariffs and you know like little things like what they did
00:29:50.340in bc pulling all the american booze off the shelves like things like that don't really
00:29:54.940that it just it just flames it just it uh fans the flames you know lindsay isn't it interesting
00:30:03.960that Mr Carney will go to the wall for supply management so that we all pay more than we have
00:30:09.880to for eggs and butter and milk and dairy products. He went as far as putting that into legislation
00:30:15.960that whatever happened next, this was not up for sale. But he yields on important, he gives
00:30:23.080important concessions on this bloody bridge. Where are his priorities? And you probably have a theory
00:30:29.800on that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I have a lot to lend to that. I think both governments
00:30:34.200are lying to us. It's the best I can come up with. It's easily a safe bet. Any more independent
00:30:41.400journalists? Yes. I mean, you know, in trying to cover it, though, I mean, I'll go into that other
00:30:48.240part. And, you know, David, there's something you get to work on. You can kind of hit for the first
00:30:53.160time. I think this is one of the hugest stumbles, though. Carney's made since becoming prime
00:30:58.080minister he's actually been pretty good at just staying steady he's not getting anything bloody
00:31:01.440accomplished but he still seems to ride above things but he went sprinting from a press conference
00:31:07.560he is hiding from questions right now he looks dejected and i mean i just think some of his
00:31:13.960quotes only on july 16th saying there will be no toll or profit sharing until canada's debt is
00:31:20.500repaid and the question people are asking because the agreement came up the new agreement came up
00:31:25.620prior to that yeah so are you incompetent or are you lying mr prime minister and and uh he won't
00:31:31.540answer the question because there's no good answer to it's probably a good possibility he was lying
00:31:35.540but i mean i was looking here as well like apparently he said canada is now in a stronger
00:31:38.780position than it was when the trade conflict began and trump started putting tariffs on us
00:31:42.480months ago how does he figure that exactly like we have like you were talking about before how
00:31:46.600do you deal with trump well trump always goes for the zero-sum game you basically are going to have
00:31:50.080to let him have what he wants in order to get a deal otherwise he's just going to keep slapping
00:31:53.380tariffs on you taking them off like he's been doing for several months now and i just don't
00:31:58.940really know where it goes from here it's the whole idea as well like do we really want to keep pissing
00:32:02.740off the americans when what is it 90 of our exports go to the states it's like that whole
00:32:07.300what was it was it pierre trudeau that talked about the elephant and the mouse the economy
00:32:11.720it's like the american economy is the elephant we're the mouse we're not going to do anything
00:32:15.700basically against him like doug ford said i want to go to tariff war with him that's going to backfire
00:32:20.120horribly like our whole auto industry that's struggling anyway is going to be gone if we keep
00:32:23.720putting tariffs on everything that it's just i don't see how we come out of this except giving
00:32:27.600trump basically what he wants really at the end of the day i mean we can maybe like finesse that
00:32:32.100but and doug ford is is just out of control to be blunt i i saw brad waltz slapped him down nice and
00:32:39.200hard online and scott moe did a fairly good thing too premier smith i think has been too too polite
00:32:43.500to the individual right now because doug ford is threatening trump with our industries now we're
00:32:49.380starting to get into a unity issue in Canada because Doug Ford's saying, he's claiming that
00:32:53.240the Western provinces aren't pulling their weight, if you listen to that conference, with the trade
00:32:57.280deal with the United States. And he's saying that, you know, our potash, our oil, our gas should now
00:33:02.920be on the table to try and push back. It's nice. Thanks, Doug, for saying you're going to sacrifice
00:33:07.460our industries, you equalization receiving bum, because you blew it with your negotiations and
00:33:13.820putting money into subsidized battery plants that nobody wants in and out that we paid for as well
00:33:19.720out there. And I tell you, for independence advocates like me, keep it up, Doug. It's gold
00:33:25.900because every time you open your flaccid lips and put that crap out, my support goes up another few1.00
00:33:32.000percent. But there's a lot of ongoing damage being caused through this thing beyond just the north0.99
00:33:38.200south when doug ford starts taking it east west i'm sorry cory did you say that there is a politician
00:33:44.400in ottawa or in ontario making decisions for us in alberta yeah i know it's unprecedented isn't it
00:33:51.820i never heard of such a thing but i mean that that really turns this into a bigger mess we
00:33:58.680are in the middle i mean this country is as disunified as it's ever been i think in any of
00:34:02.800our lifetimes, except maybe some pre-confederation individuals around here. But it's really not
00:34:10.580necessarily a responsible time to start stirring up the unity pot. And that's what Ford has gone
00:34:16.380and done. You know, he was hand in hand recently with Premier Smith talking about maybe having a
00:34:21.700pipeline going from Alberta to Ontario. Maybe that's why Premier Smith didn't speak up like
00:34:26.380uh scott moe did and brad wall and in chastening ford but this is not responsible behavior well
00:34:34.240he's not been responsible since uh trump came to the start of his second term he's been he thinks
00:34:40.960that people who support him in ontario want him to be combative and to be you know mr carney thought
00:34:48.620of the term elbows up luckily he dropped it fairly soon after but i guess mr ford has not had the
00:34:55.880message because he just reacts the kind of things he said are designed it seems to draw their action
00:35:03.300yeah you tell them doug well it's fine you can say that but it's not going to help back it up
00:35:10.780yeah well you've got no force to back it up that's part of it i mean it's a tough spot you know it's
00:35:16.480true when dealing with a bully i mean if you back down it's only going to get worse and trump does
00:35:20.700respond i think better to people he respects who he feels are on some solid ground are you saying
00:35:25.260any respects Doug Ford? No, not a bit. And that's part of the problem. So if Doug's kind of posture
00:35:30.460like that and act like that, but with a man who doesn't, I think just getting to the point of
00:35:34.960viscerally disliking him, it's only making it worse. But I mean, again, where the hell do you go?
00:35:42.780Yeah, exactly. I fear for a tariff being slapped on our stuff out in the West. I mean, part of what
00:35:49.040I saw also out of Doug Ford, in my view, was dripping envy. Because yes, we have not been
00:35:55.400hit as hard with the tariffs, with the potash and the resource items out here that the manufacturing
00:36:00.780sector in central Canada has. But couldn't part of that be due to the fact that we didn't have
00:36:05.280a premier who was constantly beaking over the border and ticking off the man who's going to
00:36:10.980bring those in? I was going to say, well, sorry, go ahead. It could also be that actually the United
00:36:15.980States once. Well, that's part of it too. The oil, the potash, whereas they'd be quite happy to make
00:36:21.780their own motor cars. I was going to say as well, I think Alberta and Saskatchewan haven't taken
00:36:25.440American liquor off the shelves. You think that maybe has something to do with it too? It's like
00:36:29.000they've kept all the American products on there. I know it's a small thing, but I mean, Trump
00:36:32.200probably is aware of that. And he's like, okay, well, they haven't done that. We want their oil
00:36:35.260and gas. So it all plays one sort of role in the bigger picture, I guess, maybe. Well, I mean, yeah,
00:36:40.240And the liquor removal is, you know, a symbolic thing.
00:36:43.780I mean, it's certainly not, you know, crushing anybody except maybe Elizabeth May, who can't get her favorite bourbon any longer.
00:36:49.560But aside from that, you know, the American producers aren't hurting out of this.
00:36:54.540But those are the sorts of things that get under President Trump's skin.
00:43:15.480It's astounding that that had to be controversial.
00:43:19.360All right, Mr. Winnick, what do you got?
00:43:21.540This has to do with the Kerpan, the seek ceremonial blade.
00:43:24.880I'm sure you guys know there was a big controversy about this Sikh man went into a good life fitness place in Windsor, Ontario and got turned away by the female employee because he was wearing it out in the open.
00:43:34.420And this is bringing up a whole controversy relating to the legislation, which I think from the Supreme Court's 2006, the Maltani ruling that said that they can, Sikhs can have a kirpan on them, on their person in public places, but it has to be concealed.
00:43:48.820so basically under clothing and you see so many videos now of them wearing it out in the open
00:43:54.060and it's just bringing in like questions about are the rcmp going to start checking these kerpens to
00:43:58.800see if they can be opened and unsheathed because they're supposed to not be allowed to do that or
00:44:02.420able to do that they're supposed to be under clothing so people are wondering are the rcmp
00:44:06.200going to start actually enforcing the supreme court's decision and they're going to maybe start
00:44:11.060talking about maybe hopefully maybe re-looking at that legislation again because it's 20 years old
00:44:15.620now so yeah well let's see yeah i think the first time i heard about it i was told by a0.82
00:44:22.080seeker look you can have one that small you can have one on a channel and that just goes in your0.97
00:44:26.320in your turban you know you've met your religious obligations so you know my parting my parting
00:44:32.700shot has got to got to do with the federal government's ever increasing number of bills
00:44:38.880that affect the way we think and what we're allowed to think and what we're allowed to say
00:44:42.940we're not allowed to do keep an eye on bill c34 the digital safety act they're selling it
00:44:52.460as something to keep young people from looking at internet pornography in fact they're creating a
00:45:00.960new super office of the digital safety commissioner with no statutory rules everything to be
00:45:08.140determined after the bill is passed by orders in council. In other words, the cabinet can just say,
00:45:13.320we need to do this, we need to do that. And by the way, we can now define what hate speech is,
00:45:19.700and you have no comeback against it through the law. This is very, very serious. Keep an eye on it.
00:45:26.920All right. And I'll just hit with a quick one on our Honorable Paula Simons, Trudeau-appointed
00:45:32.700senator who went on to a British Columbia
00:45:35.560podcast and mentioned not once but twice
00:45:39.180about going elbows up. And one of the two times, though,
00:45:42.040wasn't even elbows up with President Trump. It was elbows up
00:45:45.100against Albertans who were considering independence.
00:45:48.440So really embracing that whole elbows up
00:45:50.920attitude and at least showing us all why0.95
00:45:53.780a person like her had to be appointed to office because there's no bloody way1.00
00:45:56.740Albertans ever would have elected her to it.
00:45:59.380Alright, I'll leave it at that. Thank you very much, Lindsay,
00:46:02.500for joining us today to add a much-needed better-looking perspective