00:04:38.440well i just i think this is you know one i wish that if someone wanted to cross the floor they've
00:04:47.460got to sit in as an independent or a by-election is struck. He alluded to having a by-election
00:04:53.340into stepping down in two months from now and then retracted that because he got a maybe shiny
00:04:58.400new offer. Or perhaps he thought that maybe his skeletons weren't going to come out of the closet
00:05:03.160and it was safe to cross the floor now versus November. Who knows? But I do think it's just a
00:05:09.180very sad thing for democracy. It's a very sad thing for the people of Edmonton Riverbend. There
00:05:14.560was interest by both the liberals and the conservatives to have a true by-election which
00:05:19.480matt committed to and then revoked when he felt it was opportunistic for him to do so
00:05:24.560you just were used the magic word skeletons come on you can't just leave us hanging i'm not getting
00:05:31.220into that that's not my story i i just think everyone has skeletons and i think that there was
00:05:40.040you know some some apprehension that matt generu didn't cross the floor under in november
00:05:46.300and now why why did that change either you know his family was like we he doesn't even live here
00:05:53.280anymore his family lives in vancouver or in bc so i don't know how he's going to be an mp here but
00:05:58.500i guess that's not totally a skeleton but that is interesting look good well i'm not i'm not
00:06:04.680given hot goss here i mean there's people can go look into it if they want exactly would you think
00:06:11.220he actually ever was what we would call a real conservative in the harper style or the poly air
00:06:16.380style i i don't know i think that he has been maybe more of a progressive conservative but he
00:06:26.320did run under many different leaders he ran under pierre so you know i find his um comments
00:06:34.540that like this isn't a leader i was hoping for when he's known pierre his entire political history
00:06:41.900pierre has been consistent with who he is so i think it's just a cop out to say that you no
00:06:46.700longer support the direction of the of the leader i think it was more what's in matt jennery's best
00:06:52.940interest versus what is in the best interest of his constituents um and albertans and unfortunately
00:07:00.220I think that I can believe by his character but because you know I was I was a staffer with him
00:07:08.140I remember doing some cabinet tours with him and and his wife planning that back in the day and
00:07:14.520he then ran um and and I think he I thought he was actually a pretty good MLA uh under under
00:07:23.020the progressive conservatives is he has he done a lot for Edmonton Riverbend I mean that's up to
00:07:28.180them. They did re-elect him, but they re-elected him under a very different
00:07:31.240situation than I think what they're getting now.
00:07:36.400Okay, well, I guess we'll leave Mr. Jenneru to pay taxes in British Columbia on his family home,
00:07:42.920at least, and move right off. Better off here, notwithstanding the troubles we have. And it's
00:07:49.560the troubles we have in Alberta, Erica, that we really want to turn our attention now.
00:07:54.320So you heard the preamble. There's all these things that seem to be stacked up, making it hard for Alberta to do what Alberta wants to do, under the leadership of Premier Smith.
00:08:07.320I'm not sure that it makes that much difference who is Premier of Alberta.
00:08:13.740It didn't seem to do so when it was Rachel Notley in power.
00:08:18.280The Liberal government, and I'm calling it the Liberal government, including the Trudeau years,
00:08:24.440because there's been a consistency of approach, especially as regards Alberta under the new management,
00:08:31.480just seems to be set up to make it difficult for us to succeed, more likely to fail.
00:08:37.100So do you think the liberals are, in fact, intentionally setting Alberta up to fail,
00:08:44.720wrapping up our costs by higher immigration?
00:10:21.620So I think he's in a place where he's going to have to, you know,
00:10:25.020do the business or get off the pot and pick a lane on,
00:10:29.320And is he going to give Alberta and Canada's economic economy what it can do to thrive?
00:10:39.600Or is he just giving a bunch of falsehoods?
00:10:41.820I don't think he's doing it maliciously in the same way his predecessor did.
00:10:45.880But I do think there's some poor policies that if he's truly serious about this, he's going to have to use his constitutional power to make this happen, including access to Tidewater.
00:10:58.180and it doesn't appear to me that he's wanting to do it he's wanting to say the right things but not
00:11:02.820do the hard work okay well that's that's one way of looking at all right um you did say that you
00:11:09.740you were he was not doing it maliciously but it's possible to do it intentionally but without malice
00:11:16.700let me just expand on that a moment what we have here is a prime minister who is uh still holds on
00:11:26.100to ideas that were fashionable 10, 20, even 50 years ago.
00:11:55.200And although he says, well, yes, we can do the pipelines, they have to contain decarbonized oil, which is oil for which there has been a compensating amount of carbon dioxide buried in the ground.
00:12:48.960Let's face it, this is a federal policy that's driving immigration.
00:12:52.660I know the premier is talking about it right now.
00:12:56.520So if you expand the population that much, don't let them make money.
00:13:03.400You've got a prime minister who's actively working against you.
00:13:07.540And you're saying he's, well, just am I misunderstanding the man here?
00:13:12.780no i think i think you're that's a good point on intent versus malice and i would say you know i
00:13:20.420feel like he's not giving a to our face f you to alberta like justin trudeau did but he might be
00:13:29.300actually then worse based on what you're saying is that he's doing it you know when we turn around
00:13:34.580and he's doing it behind our backs and so um i hope that's not the case but i'm seeing that even
00:13:41.580When you saw this MOU, which I felt was a good symbolic, not, you know, all the tactics and rollout or or true progress of moving the needle.
00:13:54.560But what we've seen now is actually kind of a pivot in some of his economic or energy policies.
00:14:03.020I mean, he just got back from China where he's now agreed to significant EV investment.
00:14:10.160uh and we've seen then like what does that mean does he think that that can replace part of the
00:14:15.940energy mandate that he's been talking about and i fear that that's the case that they're going to
00:14:21.240invest more in the production of evs and uh the use of lithium which we have in alberta over
00:14:29.960the oil and gas sector and so i think he's a little bit he's a little bit sneakier maybe
00:14:37.820and I don't know if it's ignorance or um corporate strategy that he's used in the past
00:14:44.880but it does look like he says more of the things that Alberta wants to hear but is actually doing
00:14:50.920as little as Justin Trudeau to to move that needle example I mean he said that they would
00:14:58.960provide consent not just consultation to the First Nation coastal tribes that are standing
00:15:05.280in the way of a new pipeline they're looking at you know try to pivot away and look at focus down
00:15:11.680here where the tmx is as opposed to up north where we we already have um other pipelines that that
00:15:18.460are not um oil and gas that we could run along the line so it seems like he's over promising
00:15:24.860and under delivering where justin trudeau's commitment was just like i don't like you and
00:15:29.180don't care and i don't know which is worse for alberto well um i guess um i guess mr co i would
00:15:37.580argue that mr carney's uh pose is a little worse because he he is personable he comes across well
00:15:44.940he seems as mr trudeau seemed like a seemed like a teenager who'd stolen the keys of the of the
00:15:53.580Ferrari and was doing damage. Mr. Carney does seem like the adult in the room. I can't believe
00:15:59.100I'm saying this, but he does, you see. But when you are the adult in the room and you lean forward
00:16:03.900and assure people that we're doing the right thing, there's a tendency for them to believe it,
00:16:08.140where it was very easy under Mr. Trudeau to realize what the problem was. And it wasn't us,
00:16:13.980it was him so now we you mentioned the um like this the immigration thing is really makes it
00:16:23.980incredibly difficult we were supposed to have a net neutral grid by 2035 that was mr trudeau's plan
00:16:34.060we said it was impossible which it was and they probably helped our argument that we had some
00:16:40.140very cold days when we began to on the very edge of a very edge of brownouts well that's when there
00:16:46.460were three million people in alberta now there are five million and although they've been working on
00:16:52.940building new capacity they haven't built the new capacity for an extra two million people
00:16:59.340uh that takes time they're working on it it will happen but what's the population going to be by
00:17:05.020then you keep piling people in so um you know we constantly have these weights on our ankles as we
00:17:12.940try to go jogging and it is incredibly hard for the the government of alberta it's incredibly
00:17:21.020hard for danielle smith but it could be the same who whoever the prime the premier was you keep
00:17:27.820getting more piled on you as you're trying to catch up now mr carney has a way of expressing
00:17:35.020the challenge, which makes you think that perhaps it's all perfectly reasonable in just one of those
00:17:41.020things. But he has the power to stop it. He can reduce the immigration. He can,
00:17:50.420given the challenges that it presents in Alberta, he can forward more money to Alberta.
00:17:55.860or he can simply make it change the rules so that alberta itself can make more money but i don't
00:18:05.920see him doing any of those things so to your point perhaps he's the more dangerous character
00:18:10.140than the mr trudeau and and the more i see mark kearney the more i feel that way i wanted to give
00:18:17.680him a lot of grace in the first several months he's approaching a year his training wheels can
00:18:22.700no longer be used as an excuse, because I do think he's more strategic. And I think that he's now,
00:18:30.460like I said, over promising, under delivering to immigration. He acknowledged the problem that I
00:18:36.540think Justin Trudeau wasn't willing to acknowledge that we do have basically an open door immigration
00:18:41.340policy that needs to be reformed. But when you look at the immigration website under the government
00:18:47.660of Canada, their targets that they set for themselves under Mark Carney are being destroyed
00:18:55.000in Q1 or Q2. They're already surpassed what they're saying their levels are. And so it's
00:19:02.040one thing to say, we're going to fix this problem and then really do nothing about it when you have
00:19:06.640stated you acknowledge the problem and that reform is required. But they're exceeding these numbers.
00:19:12.660It doesn't seem like they're slowing anything down.
00:19:15.300I would say Alberta can be a proof point that, you know, 250,000, almost 300,000 new individuals in a year means that since Barkharni took office and right before at the end of Prime Minister Trudeau's tenure, that they weren't doing anything to fix it.
00:19:31.960And we were seeing a flood of the individuals that were here having their family members come over and getting quickly processed because there was someone here to vouch for them.
00:19:41.080And to me, that's even more concerning as the one quick process and to the speed in which that number can grow so quickly because one person has a family and they're bringing them over and that can go from one individual here to 10 with no safeguards, no guarantee of employment.
00:20:00.580I think that's the other challenge where a lot of individuals that want to come here want to be able to contribute to the economy.
00:20:06.980But at this volume and at this lax of policy, we're actually getting people that are using and leaning on the system more than we have people contributing.
00:20:17.300And absolutely, someone needs to take leadership and drastically reverse this because it's only going to get worse before it can get better.
00:20:24.980Well, I'm going to just say what I wish Janelle Smith could say, but probably dare not, because people would just tell her she was trying to excuse something that wasn't very well performed.
00:20:38.060But the reforms that she has made in healthcare and in education would, I think, have met her objectives if our population was that three to three and a half million that it was when she took office.
00:20:54.980But if you have another million and a half people piled in on top, of course you're going
00:21:01.300to find that all the improvements you've made in the way health is administered, the way
00:21:07.300education is done, are just going to be swallowed up by all the new people here.
00:21:13.600Do you think she's able to use that reasoning?
00:21:17.460it's a tough one because i know as she you know gives a address to albertans and we'll talk about
00:21:25.700the significant influx of population that has crippled some of these systems i mean look at
00:21:31.760some of her policies i think she's doing it indirectly and i applaud it where she has put
00:21:36.420putting citizenship on license plates aligning it with your health card because there's
00:21:43.960more health card numbers or health numbers out there than there is population. And then that
00:21:49.920means to me that there's individuals abusing the system or that there's administrative errors that
00:21:55.360we need to correct. Either way, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And so by really
00:21:59.960understanding the impact of what immigration and emigration or migration has on our population
00:22:09.440is proof points that I think she could use.
00:22:12.020Right now, I think that as I sit here and say,
00:22:15.240yeah, we should prioritize Canadians for employment.