Western Standard - Carney’s Liberals want your home equity

00:00:00.000 Would you let Jeffrey Epstein watch your kids?

00:00:07.520 Didn't think so.

00:00:09.500 What about his accomplice, Guy Lane Maxwell?

00:00:13.440 Hard pass.

00:00:15.500 So why trust him?

00:00:18.120 Mark Carney, Maxwell's friend, not yours.

00:00:30.000 Good day.

00:00:59.480 Welcome to the Cory Morgan Show, into week three of this election.

00:01:04.820 And it's just getting uglier as we go, I think.

00:01:06.660 But, well, we've still got more time.

00:01:09.240 There's a little ways to go yet.

00:01:11.040 We're, what, a little more than halfway through, actually.

00:01:13.740 And, I mean, that Liberal juggernaut, if the polls are to be believed, is still moving right along, except out here in the West.

00:01:20.440 You know where I'll go with things, assuming the Liberals become re-elected anyways.

00:01:24.220 But we'll talk more on that later today.

00:01:27.300 So I'm going to be speaking with Laurent Carboneau.

00:01:30.540 He's an author.

00:01:31.280 He put out a book called At the Trough.

00:01:33.500 It's the rise and rise of Canada's corporate welfare bums.

00:01:36.420 And I think it's a good discussion.

00:01:37.880 You know, one of the things that neither the Conservatives or the Liberals ever talk about in elections?

00:01:42.480 Corporate welfare.

00:01:43.740 They don't touch that one because the donors, it's a great game.

00:01:46.820 You know, you donate to both parties and just make sure that you'll always get subsidies coming your way.

00:01:51.420 And they never want to talk about that during the election.

00:01:54.480 So maybe we should bring it up.

00:01:55.660 you know if a politician doesn't want to hear about something in election i think it's something

00:01:58.860 we should talk about uh also of course we'll have news and rants and all the other stuff going on

00:02:03.720 this is live use that comment scroll over there guys mr stanley paradoxy good to see you there

00:02:09.100 send the comments questions my way i see them all jacqueline and uh i don't necessarily read them

00:02:15.260 all out but i do see them it helps me keep the show flowing and just one more reminder i'll talk

00:02:19.840 about that again in a bit but the western standard is free right now get on there after my show of

00:02:24.480 course you can get through the paywall there is no paywall for the remainder of the election i mean

00:02:29.000 it's important we got to get the news out there you can get through without spinning a nickel see

00:02:33.000 all our writings on there multiple columnists and news stories constantly breaking all right

00:02:38.060 let's talk about what i gave for the title of the show and what i'm talking about today

00:02:41.620 because uh yeah the markets are up and down but what some people hold on to is their homes so at

00:02:45.900 least i've still got that right it'll float the equity will go up well yeah okay but it's a target

00:02:51.040 too. I mean, it's the biggest private asset pool in Canada is the combined equity of Canadian

00:02:56.720 citizens. Decades, actually a century of labor savings and ambition has created a private

00:03:02.540 housing market worth an estimated $4.7 trillion. And rest assured the liberals desperately want

00:03:08.880 a piece of it. I mean, that equity just hangs like a plum waiting to be picked for those liberal

00:03:13.260 ideologues. They won't be able to resist making a move on it for much longer. And Mark Carney

00:03:18.200 is no less an ideologue than his predecessor, Justin Trudeau, was.

00:03:22.460 Carney's been as obsessed with net zero targets as Trudeau,

00:03:27.360 and to make things worse, Carney's smarter.

00:03:29.960 A witless ideologue was bad enough, but now Canada faces a smart one.

00:03:33.660 Let's face it, the net zero movement, it's never been about the environment.

00:03:37.360 It's an excuse for policies based on wealth redistribution.

00:03:40.480 The carbon tax proved that clearly enough.

00:03:42.940 Canada's carbon taxes, whether provincial or federal, had no impact on the environment.

00:03:46.240 Not a single raindrop or any snowflakes were created or delayed by the tax.

00:03:50.840 Taxes can't change the weather, and the Liberals always knew this.

00:03:53.940 Taxes can shift wealth around, though, and they use the carbon tax for that purpose.

00:03:58.000 That's why carbon tax rebates were issued based on personal wealth.

00:04:01.780 The personal carbon tax failed, though, by every measure.

00:04:05.280 It didn't create the equitable workers' paradise, nor did it bring an end to climate change.

00:04:09.360 It turned into a policy disaster so wildly unpopular among Canadians that the Liberals were forced to dump it.

00:04:15.380 Carney, well, he'll apply it to companies if given the chance,

00:04:18.200 but don't worry, so don't worry.

00:04:19.480 You'll still get your chance to pay for the carbon tax as it trickles down,

00:04:22.080 but you won't see it up front anymore.

00:04:24.160 The Liberals are campaigning against themselves right now,

00:04:26.260 and the most frightening part is it's working.

00:04:28.280 People believe that the party obsessed with wealth distribution

00:04:32.060 and taxing the very breath you exhale has had an epiphany,

00:04:35.140 and now they support tax cuts, government size reduction, and pipeline construction.

00:04:39.260 All this proves that the Liberals are a party willing to say anything to get elected.

00:04:42.660 Their ideology hasn't changed.

00:04:44.460 They're simply suppressing it until the end of the election campaign.

00:04:47.340 So how are they reconciling it with themselves?

00:04:49.460 I mean, when they want to redistribute all that wealth

00:04:51.300 as their party offers a carbon copy of the Conservative platform.

00:04:55.700 How does a wealth redistributionist sleep at night

00:04:57.860 when they're abandoning their primary tool to reach into the pockets of citizens?

00:05:00.880 Well, they have a grander plan, and it involves the home equity of citizens.

00:05:04.820 The Liberals have been toying with the notion

00:05:06.220 of taking a bite from the home equity of Canadians for years.

00:05:09.120 They just haven't been able to figure out a way to implement it.

00:05:12.020 The Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation is the federal government-armed managing home financing.

00:05:16.220 The CMHC has been tasked multiple times by the government,

00:05:18.780 and they've spent hundreds of thousands of tax dollars studying how to implement a home equity tax on primary residences.

00:05:24.720 Why would they spend the money if they don't want to do it?

00:05:26.700 Each time this leaks out, though, the Liberals denied, oh no, we weren't considering such a thing.

00:05:29.680 And then they do it again. They dig in again.

00:05:31.500 The CMHC also tapped into the wisdom of an extreme activist named Paul Kershaw,

00:05:36.200 who manages a group called Generation Squeeze.

00:05:38.820 His focus is on intergenerational wealth redistribution,

00:05:42.100 and he sees taxing home equity as the means to an ideological end.

00:05:45.640 Kershaw referred to homeowners as lottery winners,

00:05:48.260 and how people who owned homes gained equity while sitting around scratching themselves and watching TV.

00:05:53.020 It's a gross insult to the people who scraped and saved to get into the homeownership market

00:05:57.660 and dedicated thousands of hours of their lives to maintaining and upgrading their properties to build that equity.

00:06:02.900 Kershaw demonstrates the vilest of Politics of Envy,

00:06:05.260 where he refuses to acknowledge the right of others to enjoy the fruits of their labor

00:06:08.460 and feels it's the role of the state to take that equity away from them.

00:06:12.260 Now, while it's tempting to dismiss Kershaw as just another flake with Marxist leanings,

00:06:16.120 it would be dangerous to do so.

00:06:18.300 That's because Kershaw has counseled the Liberal cabinet directly

00:06:21.620 in a retreat they held on Prince Edward Island just the summer before last.

00:06:26.120 He was invited there. He was asked there.

00:06:27.900 You don't bring somebody as extreme as Kershaw to lecture your top government lieutenants

00:06:32.340 without a plan to embrace those teachings.

00:06:34.520 Most of the cabinet ministers who sat in on that retreat are still with Carney's team today.

00:06:38.940 Trudeau might be gone, but the same liberal snake remains.

00:06:41.240 All they did was change out the head.

00:06:42.800 If Carney wins this election, he's going to be faced with a challenge.

00:06:45.600 He's been trying to match Polyev promise for promise with vows to cut taxes and expand programs,

00:06:50.780 but he hasn't mentioned cutting a dime of spending.

00:06:53.300 So if spending isn't cut, how is Carney going to fund his platform?

00:06:56.280 A home equity tax would give him just that tool.

00:06:59.220 They'll frame it as an essential measure considering a trade war emergency.

00:07:02.860 They could call it a temporary measure or something to help the next generation get on its feet.

00:07:07.820 They'll say it's just a little bite.

00:07:09.580 And rest assured, they'll say it's for fairness.

00:07:12.600 Anybody opposing such a move will be called selfish and they'll be pilloried in the public eye

00:07:15.920 as the liberals stoke class division based on age and wealth.

00:07:19.920 It was a formula used by a certain revolution in 1917, as a matter of fact, and it was effective.

00:07:24.020 And it could be used again.

00:07:25.740 Envy during tough economic times is a strong motivator.

00:07:28.420 Have you noticed in the last few years there's been a line on your tax return asking about your home equity?

00:07:32.860 why would they ask that they wouldn't add it without a reason they're building the runway guys

00:07:37.340 carney has an ideological agenda and if you think your savings and home equity are immune from it

00:07:42.380 think again all right lots it's got me going i'm watching my equity trying to build it how's it

00:07:48.140 going okay you got me depressed now well i'm not here to make people happy or john's already been

00:07:52.860 getting some of the emails from some of my yeah i'm supposed to be a lottery winner because i've

00:07:57.660 I've scrimped and saved and, you know, worked. That's right. Paying my mortgage. The home fell

00:08:02.820 onto your lap, right? Unbelievable. I'm sorry to hear one of your beehives died. It did. What happened?

00:08:10.300 Well, from what I can gather, when I opened it up, that was a little while ago, I think I didn't have

00:08:15.480 it properly tilted. These are the little things with beekeeping, so that the moisture would drain

00:08:19.260 out of it when condensation builds up. So basically, an ice ball built up within my hive and froze my

00:08:25.500 bees because there was a lot of dead bees there was still lots of honey so they didn't starve

00:08:29.280 and i checked the mite counts which are always an issue with bees and then no there was not a

00:08:33.760 high mite count on them so i'm thinking i screwed up on the angle of the hive tough hobby yeah it's

00:08:39.720 unforgiving when you screw up anyways i still enjoy it but there's lots of mistakes to make

00:08:43.820 good um so last night in a big speech in washington president trump said anybody who's

00:08:50.520 going to be complaining any world leaders who are complaining about the terrorists 1.00

00:08:54.000 can, quote, kiss his ass. 1.00

00:08:56.540 Very presidential, very dignified. 1.00

00:08:58.820 It's a pretty ugly optic. 0.88

00:08:59.800 It is. 1.00

00:09:00.440 So apparently this morning, Trump pulled his head out of his own ass and stopped the tariffs. 0.99

00:09:06.820 He's announced a 90-day pause on all the tariffs except for China, which he raised to more than 100%. 0.99

00:09:16.340 So now the trade war is basically USA versus China, and the rest of the world stands by

00:09:22.040 and try and figures out what the guy's going to do next,

00:09:24.860 which is almost impossible.

00:09:26.460 But the news has instantly sent the stock market soaring.

00:09:31.360 Dow Jones was up 2,200 points when I came in.

00:09:35.460 So I think everybody who's got money invested somewhere

00:09:38.760 just took a big sigh of relief,

00:09:40.940 and hopefully the bleeding has stopped.

00:09:44.080 So that's the big stuff on the side right now.

00:09:47.460 Liberal leader Mark Carney was in town again still,

00:09:51.000 where he announced plans to make Canada a world energy superpower.

00:09:57.200 I think a line he stole directly from Stephen Harper,

00:10:00.140 but as we know, he's good at plagiarizing stuff in this campaign.

00:10:03.920 So he laid out his plan to create this energy superpower,

00:10:09.020 and our energy expert Sean Polzer is now digging into it to think,

00:10:13.580 well, I guess, first of all, do you believe him or is he just lying,

00:10:16.480 and what exactly the policies will do.

00:10:20.980 You remember our good friend Robbie Starbuck, the battler of the woke down in the States?

00:10:25.900 Earlier this year, he forced Harley-Davidson to go back on their woke policies.

00:10:30.660 And the CEO of Harley-Davidson walked the plank today and rode off into the sunset with the disastrous DEI policies left behind him.

00:10:42.100 Probably on a Vespa anyway.

00:10:44.360 Yeah, yeah, probably.

00:10:45.300 So, Pierre Polyev was somewhere today, Ontario, I think, saying he's going to introduce sort

00:10:54.360 of a three strikes and you're in jail forever type thing, much like the United States has.

00:10:59.940 And my favorite story of the morning is Kentucky Fried Chicken, nothing like, you know, a cold

00:11:05.680 piece of Kentucky Fried Chicken for breakfast.

00:11:07.860 They've now introduced a Kentucky Fried Chicken toothpaste.

00:11:12.620 paste. So you can brush your teeth and have the, you know, the Colonel's secret recipe as your

00:11:18.200 tangy, uh, you know, your, your mouth, your mouthwash in the morning. Read the day with chicken

00:11:23.580 breath. Yeah, exactly. So I know what I'm getting, you know, you used to keep chickens, right?

00:11:29.300 Yes. Another one of your failed hobbies. I ended up killing all them too.

00:11:35.180 That was, yeah, long story. You know, it's with the way you kill animals, it's amazing that Duke 0.98

00:11:40.280 the wonder dog has been able to get as old as he is no he gets spoiled rotten he's about you know

00:11:45.460 he is useless to the household cycle as the chickens became eventually when they stopped

00:11:50.040 laying but unlike chickens that you'll euthanize and cook later yeah i'm afraid duke is just going

00:11:55.240 to retire as a as a big hairy lump on our on our floor good good for duke yeah all right that's all

00:12:01.860 you got are you kidding me uh yeah it's uh all tariffs all the time at the moment waiting for

00:12:08.200 canadian reaction and uh uh all that sort of good stuff so right on well let you get back to the

00:12:13.480 newsroom and have your eyes glazed with that tv next to you and uh watch the stories rolling in

00:12:17.460 from the reporters and columnists across the country we got out there yeah that's what i do

00:12:21.900 right on thanks dave you bet cory all right so yes guys all that news is coming out there hard

00:12:27.220 heavy and fast and it's breaking i mean that the trump's uh latest reversal on most of the tariffs

00:12:34.480 that just broke what half an hour ago and the story has already been up on the standard for

00:12:38.560 a while like we are a news organization we put the stuff up as it happens as it breaks

00:12:43.760 its original content and now is your chance to get on and check it out for free there's no paywall

00:12:49.520 you can get on there westernstandard.news get right through see the stories see the columns

00:12:54.400 all of those things and uh of course you know just get a taste of things it's important during the

00:12:59.520 election but it's still important for you guys to subscribe so we do hope those of you who can

00:13:04.080 subscribe, do so. You know, it's 10 bucks a month, $100 for a year. That's how we have those

00:13:08.600 reporters. That's how we do this show. That's how we keep all of these things rolling. But yeah,

00:13:15.080 what a just a roller coaster, right? You know, the only thing anybody can predict with Trump is

00:13:21.460 that you can't predict anything with Trump. I mean, I'm not going to complain that he's backed

00:13:26.500 off on the tariffs. Obviously, the markets have appreciated that. But it's the instability. And

00:13:31.080 Of course, he doesn't say they're done.

00:13:32.760 He just says, nah, we're just going to stop for 90 days.

00:13:35.280 And who knows?

00:13:35.760 He might change his mind in a week and say we're going to put them back.

00:13:39.680 We just don't know.

00:13:41.700 The other thing you've got to wonder, as somebody else is pointing out in the newsroom,

00:13:45.800 boy, if there was a plan for this, if you were on the inside,

00:13:49.940 if you actually knew what the president was up to, boy, you could really make out well, couldn't you?

00:13:56.500 You know, you could watch as the markets tumble down, way down there, and then you could buy like crazy because, boy, with the Dow going up 2,000 points in like an hour today, people buying into some select stocks really made out very, very well today.

00:14:13.080 I don't, to be honest, though, I don't think there's that much planning behind what President Trump does, but I don't think he's purposely doing this. 0.94

00:14:25.220 I think he just does whatever the hell rattles through that strange orange brain of his.

00:14:30.420 But trying to predict what Trump is going to do, I might as well bet the horses for as far as that goes to try and make any money.

00:14:38.080 It's just unpredictable.

00:14:39.460 But it's getting tiresome, and it's heavily impacting the Canadian election, which is unfortunate.

00:14:44.020 If there's any time for 40 days, we should be just looking at our own leadership, at all of the parties, at all of the options, and discussing those, and discussing policy.

00:14:52.020 policy. It's during a campaign. I know, you know, Trump has no reason to care what's going on up

00:14:57.600 here. Unfortunately, though, this is the first election in my living memory where the actions

00:15:02.680 of a foreign government have far more impact on our current election campaign than the actions

00:15:07.220 of our own candidates. And it's pretty darn frustrating. It's frustrating for us as a news

00:15:10.920 outlet to try and cover the election when the bloody tariffs are constantly keeping the things

00:15:16.120 in the scroll, but we'll do what we can. Okay, so I'm going to get on to my guest, Laurent Carboneau.

00:15:23.080 He wrote a book, as I said, at the trough, The Rise of Canada's Corporate Welfare Bums. And it's

00:15:29.620 a good read, and it's a fun one. He coined the term, Valdmanis, the Rasputin of the Rock. I mean,

00:15:35.520 that's just brilliant. I couldn't imagine those words coming out, but it was a great descriptor.

00:15:40.500 So, I mean, he adds some great levity in the writing on a subject that is typically pretty

00:15:44.280 dry but very important and it's very timely right now as we're having these economic discussions so

00:15:49.240 if we bring Mr. Carboneau in thank you very much for joining us today. Yeah delighted to you thanks

00:15:54.400 Corey. So as I said I mean this is pretty timely and it's an issue that really does transcend

00:16:00.740 progressive or conservative politics because historically as your book lays out all the way

00:16:06.240 through Canadian history parties of both stripes have both heavily participated in corporate

00:16:12.520 welfare yeah everyone's been a very eager practitioner at some point and everyone's

00:16:16.440 been a very eager critic at some point kind of depending on who happens to be in power and who

00:16:20.540 controls the purse string so yeah it's an interesting project i think that you know i

00:16:24.520 was kind of looking at it first from the perspective of you know what have the last

00:16:28.180 eight ten years looked like and then it just kept kind of suggesting itself like well can you really

00:16:32.920 get all of that if you don't understand sort of how we got here and how we kind of built up this

00:16:36.500 apparatus and ended up going back to you know the railways and the national policy and giving it a

00:16:41.080 pretty thorough look from the founding of Canada onwards. Well, and our railways certainly were

00:16:46.460 some heavily subsidized in a number of ways, juggernauts, and really not necessarily the

00:16:51.040 nicest corporate actors on the Canadian landscape back then. No, not a bit. Yeah, we ended up

00:16:56.820 subsidizing them to the tune of a very, very appreciable, I would say, I think it was multiples

00:17:02.360 of the federal budget at the time, obviously staged out over a certain number of years,

00:17:06.360 but really tremendous fiscal outlays that were paid for.

00:17:10.580 You know, you're just talking about tariffs by tariffs,

00:17:13.820 very, very heavy tariffs paid for by, you know,

00:17:16.120 Canadians for everyday goods and services and all of that largesse,

00:17:20.780 you know, some of it, of course, going to actually build a railway,

00:17:23.300 but a lot of it getting scooped up by financial engineering that the railways

00:17:26.600 did to kind of, you know, inflate their own stock claim dividends

00:17:31.040 and also try to buy out their own competitors that weren't being subsidized.

00:17:35.440 so a pretty tawdry kind of uh corporate affair uh all things considered yeah it's i mean the story

00:17:42.600 just never seems to change so it was the people on the ground working they get nailed with the

00:17:46.320 tariffs and again the irony of how these this is working uh that was the case in the canadian

00:17:50.900 agriculture a lot they had to pay tariffs on farm implements that gave government revenue the

00:17:55.940 government gave that revenue to the railways and the railways would then gouge the farmers to

00:17:59.580 transport the implements and the crops uh with railway fares but i mean i guess the case is kind

00:18:05.240 of made would the railways have been built without government uh direct intervention like that yeah

00:18:10.300 probably not right like the government very consciously made the decision you know on kind

00:18:15.120 of national interest grounds that we needed a railway to the pacific and they were probably

00:18:19.400 right to do that uh you know at a certain level and of course that was part of bc joining

00:18:23.360 confederation was they would get the railway within a certain number of years which we

00:18:26.440 promised we didn't actually keep but we did end up building it the real like thesis behind it was

00:18:31.280 that if you built it fast enough, then you'd have a lot of settlements sort of follow along the line

00:18:37.300 of the railroad. That ended up not really happening on the timescale that, you know,

00:18:41.400 people thought it would. And I think, you know, in hindsight, we probably overpaid for the railroad,

00:18:46.060 especially considering that, you know, as I mentioned, a lot of it went into this kind of

00:18:50.160 financial engineering and sort of profiteering versus actually building the thing. So, you know,

00:18:55.580 in hindsight, they kind of had their eyes bigger than their stomachs and went into and made a bad

00:19:00.000 deal, you know, based on a lot of hype and on a lot of, you know, just wanting to be seen to be

00:19:06.520 doing something versus making a considered policy decision, which is a thing, a theme we see time

00:19:11.300 and time again in Canadian history. Yeah. And I mean, the subsidies left, I guess, a tangible

00:19:16.140 asset. I mean, the railway still provided a service that helped develop the West and unified

00:19:20.480 the country end to end, but those policies didn't stop. And we see it at every level of government

00:19:27.840 too i mean you know we're getting to contemporary politics i know alberta was terrible uh we we had

00:19:33.120 a few corporations mag can novitel the government dove into those and those went completely broke

00:19:38.400 and we had nothing left when we were finished with them and the list gets pretty long with these kinds

00:19:41.840 of investments yeah it does and and i look at a couple of big provincial mega deals and that's

00:19:47.200 the thing is i noticed um you know looking throughout canadian history the the feds will

00:19:51.520 tend to do just a constant stream of money going out the door where the provinces will sort of uh

00:19:56.640 make these big deals that you know are supposed to be very transformational and uh i look at what

00:20:00.880 happened in newfoundland after they joined confederation and it was this just like blitz

00:20:04.560 of spending on trying to set up as many industries as possible uh under joey smallwood and as you

00:20:09.680 mentioned uh alfred velmanis who was his sort of economic development czar um and then i look as

00:20:16.080 well at saskatchewan which set similar trajectory there as uh as alberta big resource projects uh

00:20:22.400 you know very much um was seen coming by uh their their counterparties on that at fcl the federated

00:20:29.200 co-ops um and then new brunswick which is kind of my my favorite example the brickland car

00:20:34.320 uh which was a kind of this cool goal wing sports car that was built in the early 70s in new

00:20:38.960 brunswick a little about 3 000 um the government was in for about 20 million dollars on that which

00:20:43.840 you know you know the grand scheme of things is not astronomical but for a small poor rural

00:20:48.640 province in the 70s is a pretty good chunk of change um they sold 3 000 and uh lost money in

00:20:54.800 every single one and they folded after that and it's a kind of a sad more of a sad story than me

00:20:59.160 laughing at them i you know i i i used to live in new brunswick love the place uh and it's just

00:21:04.060 it's it's disappointing to see that you know governments time and time again sort of prey

00:21:08.920 on the hopes of people um to make these bad choices and perhaps you know they're themselves

00:21:13.660 preyed upon by these kind of uh sort of corporate hucksters but uh yeah it's a it's a bit of a

00:21:18.560 tragic story at the provincial level often yeah no no no i don't i understand the feeling with

00:21:22.840 the people in new brunswick that's why i brought up as an albertan i'm a proud albertan but i put

00:21:25.920 it we screwed up just as badly with the subsidy game as any other no i mean the rule you would

00:21:32.160 think is just to stay out of them i mean the failure record if you're just looking at you

00:21:36.220 know the ones that make it versus the ones that fail is terrible and and any you know business

00:21:41.280 person looking at a record like that would say i'm not going to invest in something like this but

00:21:44.480 we just can't seem to stay out of this uh it's too politically hard to extricate themselves yeah

00:21:49.920 it's hard right and and uh janice mckinnon who was uh royal romanos finance minister of the 90s has

00:21:54.800 a really good memoir that talks about a lot of this in the context of saskatchewan she mentions

00:21:58.640 you know at the end of the day you know a lot of provinces and the federal government are really

00:22:03.280 reliant on you know the commodity prices right and alberta's certainly feeling this right now

00:22:08.000 with the price of oil. And the reality is that commodity prices don't come up for reelection,

00:22:11.680 but governments do. And governments have to have something to say to people who want them to be

00:22:15.920 looking out for their well-being. And I think it's a bit of a tragedy. It's just like there's

00:22:20.640 a time and a place for government participation in the economy. And certainly there are countries

00:22:24.420 like South Korea, Taiwan, Sweden, and Finland that have worked out ways to do this pretty

00:22:28.860 effectively. Finland in a lot of ways and Sweden, their economy both looked a lot like ours 100

00:22:34.300 years ago a lot of forestry a lot of agriculture a lot of mining uh and they've managed to become

00:22:39.580 you know fairly small countries but real powerhouses in certain parts of the economy with

00:22:43.740 real big global players like nokia and ericsson and of course you know south korea has its own

00:22:48.380 huge giants taiwan has tsmc making semiconductors um none of that was you know happened by accident

00:22:54.220 uh government had a big part in that but the really key distinction between us and them and

00:22:58.380 the big difference is that they have built these institutions that are good at making these

00:23:02.860 effective decisions and building the kind of infrastructure to sustain that over time where

00:23:07.420 we don't right and we never have and it's a it's a real political failing more than it is a failing

00:23:12.300 of you know canadians it's just that you know our governments aren't equipped and haven't bothered to

00:23:16.060 equip themselves to make these decisions well yeah and the reality is when money goes into companies

00:23:21.100 for subsidies whether they fail or succeed there's certain people seem to walk away with some pretty

00:23:25.580 full pockets and things uh one of the things you you point out in the book r d is one of their

00:23:30.380 favorite kind of areas you can because it's it's more ethereal people you know it's hard to

00:23:36.860 compartmentalize exactly what the money was spent on you can just say r d and we want this is our

00:23:41.900 end outcome we'd like to see uh but it's hard to track whether the money was effective or not and

00:23:47.180 whether it went to the right place yeah and like our system in canada here on research and

00:23:51.900 development is really based on the the shred tax credit right which is about four billion dollars

00:23:55.980 a year give or take it's gone up and down a bit over the years and the big problem there is is

00:24:00.860 you know less the the paper trail administration there's actually a lot of administration a lot

00:24:04.780 of overhead you have to be pretty exhaustive and what you're trying to define is research and the

00:24:09.180 the cra uh does audit very frequently on this uh if you ask me the big problem with shred is that

00:24:15.020 a lot of it ends up going to these really big profitable and large foreign companies that are

00:24:19.980 employing a handful of canadians to do research and development work uh that then gets turned

00:24:24.220 into ip that gets commercialized abroad uh which is not just profits we're missing out on in canada

00:24:29.580 in terms of you know corporate taxes that could pay for things like hospitals and schools it's

00:24:33.420 also because they're tied up in ip rights it's blocking canadian companies from competing in

00:24:38.220 those areas abroad so we're paying money uh for people to do research that then makes canadian

00:24:43.260 companies less competitive on the world stage uh which you know i think if you're looking back

00:24:47.980 objectively at you know what we're talking about subsidies you'd want to make your companies more

00:24:52.460 competitive abroad and export more uh and in fact like that subsidy in particular is having the

00:24:57.580 opposite effect yeah so i mean getting a little more current with something people have been

00:25:02.460 worried about what we're seeing is speaking of foreign-owned companies when we're looking at

00:25:05.660 like volkswagen and others the the battery plants and it's not looking very good we're not seeing

00:25:10.380 the jobs created they of course said they were going to be created but we certainly have seen

00:25:14.780 the money go out there uh you know is there going to be a good end to this it's not looking very

00:25:20.780 bright right now well the the silver lining such as it is is that a lot of the money won't go out

00:25:25.420 the door at all because a lot of this is tied up in production credits so the the idea was for

00:25:29.740 every battery they're going to get a certain amount of money back so at some level if they

00:25:34.060 don't make the batteries like good you know because it means we won't be wasting money on this

00:25:39.340 um you know the other pieces you know you mentioned the the jobs there like i remember

00:25:43.900 when they announced this like we were talking about effectively negative unemployment in

00:25:47.340 southwestern ontario right so really what we were saying was to local employers you're going to be

00:25:52.700 competing with these big subsidized international giants to keep your staff you know while you can

00:25:57.340 barely find enough to run your own business right now um so from my point of view like the numbers

00:26:03.260 involved are really astronomical but it's not it's just what was the value proposition here right like

00:26:08.780 we're going to be assembling batteries which sure has value but we're going to be doing it to

00:26:12.460 generate profits abroad so it's as i kind of said in the book it's a green new deal for shareholders

00:26:17.180 of Volkswagen and Stellantis rather than a real investment in making Canada more prosperous.

00:26:22.320 Well, and I, you know, things kind of broke too fast for you to really cover it in the book,

00:26:26.900 but you know, I'd like your speculation on it. We're seeing a big temptation probably from both

00:26:32.200 countries to really try for introverted economies. If we can't trust the integrated economy we had

00:26:37.840 with our Southern neighbors, people asking to subsidize domestic businesses, particularly in

00:26:44.380 manufacturing or R&D are probably going to be quite welcomed by the government, but they better be

00:26:49.200 aware when they're thinking about throwing money at these ventures because, you know, the shysters 0.75

00:26:53.360 come out of the woodworks when the time comes, right? Well, we did this once already, right? And

00:26:56.720 it was the national policy, right? Where we set up these big tariff walls with the US and then

00:27:00.840 US companies came and built branch plants in Canada. And what it left us with was an industrial

00:27:06.840 structure that hadn't developed any capacity to innovate, only served our home market, so it

00:27:11.300 wasn't especially competitive um and really didn't build the kinds of like big firms that like

00:27:16.400 especially in today's economy are what actually drive economic growth um so it was a really bad

00:27:21.720 deal for Canada and especially as I mentioned paid for largely by tariffs so everyone was paying more

00:27:26.440 to get you know worse quality and I guess this is kind of like the Loblaws effect writ large across

00:27:30.800 the entire economy uh is you can't it's to some extent you really want your Canadian companies to

00:27:36.200 be competing as far and wide as possible. That's only good for Canadians, really. So I'd be very 0.99

00:27:42.280 worried about a push to try and do national policy too here. Yeah, it's a government market

00:27:48.640 intervention rarely ends well for us, but it doesn't look like we're heading down a path where

00:27:53.400 we're going to see less of it in the near future. So I mean, all we can hope for is that they do a

00:27:56.780 little more wisely than they used to. Yeah, that would be that would certainly be the best case

00:28:01.140 scenario. I think like you, it's, I don't really foresee an end to government participation in the

00:28:06.940 economy. I, of course, come from a part of the political spectrum where that's less of an

00:28:10.560 intrinsically bad thing. But I obviously am very critical of the way it's been done for most of

00:28:15.240 Canadian history. And I do think we can do differently. Well, we have to do differently,

00:28:18.560 and I think we can do it better. So here's hoping, I guess, amid a lot of uncertainty here,

00:28:23.460 and hopefully what ends up being a bit of a motivator to finally get it right.

00:28:27.280 Yeah. Well, I appreciate you writing up on that for part of that series. And just to close us,

00:28:32.560 you're the director of policy and research at the Council of Canadian Innovators. Where can

00:28:35.960 people find your work in general? Well, canadianinnovators.org is, I write the Moose

00:28:41.380 Works blog for my day job. And then, of course, the book is At the Trough, The Rise and Rise of

00:28:45.840 Canada's Corporate Welfare Bonds, published by Sutherland House, and a big thanks to them. And

00:28:50.360 you findable really wherever fine books are sold. Try your local independent bookstore.

00:28:55.200 Great. Well, I appreciate you writing the book and I appreciate you coming on. And guys, yeah,

00:28:58.860 this is the book here. I got a copy of it. It's a good read. And this Sutherland series has been

00:29:03.460 really good with sort of short, long, expanded essay form sort of books covering some of these

00:29:08.120 subjects. So you don't have to read a big, thick, boring book on economy, just a good condensed one

00:29:13.140 on the important issues. So, well, thank you again for coming on to talk to us today. And I

00:29:18.400 look forward to your future work. Thanks so much, Corey. Really appreciate it.

00:29:22.460 All right, thank you.

00:29:24.280 So, yeah, guys, check that out.

00:29:25.520 As I said, Laurent Carboneau and the books At the Trough.

00:29:28.720 And as I said, it's one of those few issues.

00:29:30.260 I mean, we're so polarized right now on so many things politically and that.

00:29:33.040 But left or right, pretty much everybody gets horrified and annoyed when you see wasted corporate welfare,

00:29:41.440 when you see subsidies, when we see crony capitalism.

00:29:44.380 You know, I'm a capitalist.

00:29:46.100 I'm a libertarian.

00:29:46.760 I want to see minimal government.

00:29:48.200 if if the government's going to dip in to the business market and you know as a libertarian

00:29:54.140 i'd rather not see them do it whatsoever but man guys try to do it with some controls try to have

00:30:00.120 some oversight try to do something with it but more often than not there's two things that go

00:30:05.320 wrong again they don't give the money to the business that's the the best at conducting

00:30:09.280 whatever that industry is they give it to whoever the best lobbyist is and uh uh then once it's

00:30:18.120 handed out it just isn't done as as well as it would be with a company that had to raise its own

00:30:23.380 money you know when I look at subsidized numbers you know when we're talking I forget what the

00:30:28.720 totals he had in here something like 30 billion a year in corporate welfare in Canada now or 20

00:30:33.220 billion think of the numbers this way you know with the failure rate of corporate welfare I don't

00:30:38.480 want to see it at all I don't but let's say you took 20 billion but broke it out into small

00:30:45.480 business loans or small business grants to people with creative ideas you know there's a lot of

00:30:49.840 people with a lot of brilliant ideas that would like the the chance to to get a a good start even

00:30:58.340 you know what are we talking one million dollar grants you could give out uh how many is that you

00:31:06.600 You know, in a billion dollars, it's a thousand million dollar grants you could give out.

00:31:11.840 In 20 billion dollars, 20,000 businesses could be given million dollar startup grants or

00:31:17.940 hundred thousand dollar startup grants.

00:31:20.140 Then you could give tens of thousands of these grants out, hundreds of thousands of

00:31:25.240 these grants out for the money every year to small businesses getting going, whether

00:31:29.580 it's a little restaurant, whether it's a pharmacy, whether it's a small manufacturing

00:31:34.240 idea, whether it's a little software startup.

00:31:36.600 Even if half of those businesses failed,

00:31:39.040 they'd still be doing better

00:31:40.400 than what these corporate welfare bums are doing all the time. 1.00

00:31:44.160 And no, I don't want them in on it.

00:31:46.660 But when we think of those numbers

00:31:47.840 and how badly we're getting screwed by them,

00:31:49.280 because we are, because it comes out of your pocket.

00:31:51.360 It comes out of the money you work

00:31:52.760 or other companies that are successful and working hard.

00:31:55.120 It comes out of their taxes

00:31:56.020 and gets put to these unsuccessful ones

00:31:57.980 that often fail or take the money out of the country.

00:32:01.920 I talk about that too, and I talk about the CBC.

00:32:03.980 When I talk about, we need this for national news coverage and things like that.

00:32:08.000 Uh-huh.

00:32:08.260 Okay, fine.

00:32:09.340 Again, break those numbers out.

00:32:10.880 $1.4 billion to the CBC?

00:32:14.500 Well, again, let's see.

00:32:17.680 You could give out grants to 1,400 independent media outlets of a million dollars a year for the price of the CBC.

00:32:28.560 1,400 little independent outlets across the country.

00:32:32.640 Think about that.

00:32:33.140 140 outlets per province with a budget of a million dollars each just a base budget

00:32:38.500 they could possibly gain revenue through subscriptions and advertising like everyone

00:32:43.060 else and again i'm not saying this is the way we should go i think cbc should just be shut down we

00:32:46.580 should get tax breaks but value for dollar if you really wanted local news coverage if you broke it 0.93

00:32:52.420 up like that we would be far better served as a country than what the garbage they spoon feed us 0.93

00:32:56.800 from the CBC is for that price of 1.4 billion a year and growing and growing. Carney's talking 0.92

00:33:04.240 about, yes, there we go. Just in time, Jacqueline said, yeah, another 150 million announced from

00:33:08.120 Carney. And, uh, you know, it's a sick, sick trough and none of us are getting served well

00:33:15.220 by it. Uh, Joe Mills put it all right. Uh, one of our commenters here, just saying a government

00:33:20.560 should only provide a place where companies want to invest in. And he's right. You know, Canada,

00:33:25.120 if it was run right is gifted as my guest said too you know look at uh sweden and norway i mean

00:33:32.180 these are isolated cold climates but they've built smart strong economies in their small areas

00:33:36.660 the amount of resources we have the proximity to a massive customer even if it's being managed by a

00:33:43.000 crazy man right now still the united states is a fantastic neighbor to have next door and over the

00:33:47.480 long run it's going to be a great nation to be next to so our resources we have that we're peaceful

00:33:53.220 for the most part. We've got a good population. We could be incredibly rich. We could be drawing

00:34:00.540 investment from all over the world. The government needs to get out of the damn way. One of the best 0.99

00:34:05.340 examples of that on a small scale, and it's just not that small, was the Trans Mountain Pipeline

00:34:09.500 expansion. It drives me nuts when I see liberal fart catchers making excuses for that thing and 0.99

00:34:14.020 saying, look, Albertan Jews should be happy. We gave you the Trans Mountain. No, you didn't, 1.00

00:34:17.420 you pecker heads they regulated it to death they kinder morgan wanted to build that line 0.99

00:34:24.760 they wanted to build that expansion and they were going to use nothing but private dollars to do it

00:34:30.760 but prime minister ding dong brought in so many bloody regulations c69 endless consultations with

00:34:37.020 first nations bands that aren't actually nations so we got to get through that thing i'll talk

00:34:40.320 about that in a moment and they just said you know what we're done we're out we've had enough

00:34:44.480 we can't do it we're finished and that's when the government finally realized it actually

00:34:49.160 overplayed its hand it had already shut down energy east it already shut down the northern

00:34:54.700 gateway the coastal gas link was mired in protests and applications and paperwork and baloney

00:35:00.940 and then kinder morgan pulled out on this and wow okay we've got a serious problem so what did they

00:35:07.300 do the the only thing the dingbats could do no not the only thing they could do the thing they 0.50

00:35:11.580 could have done is fast track the bloody approvals got out of the way and kinder morgan

00:35:15.740 would have come in but instead they said no no we're smarter than that we'll just build it yeah

00:35:19.840 we can do it yeah a pipeline that was supposed to cost initially what four or five billion dollars

00:35:25.200 it cost so far 30 billion dollars it came in what seven years late it's absurd complete rip-off

00:35:35.400 jacqueline saying the numbers were what 6.9 under uh kinder morgan was the estimate and it came in

00:35:40.000 at 37 billion. Like, yeah, I'm going off the top of my head with it. Right. It's nuts. And it

00:35:44.660 shouldn't cost that much. This wasn't even a fresh pipe guys. This was just putting one right next

00:35:49.800 to one that was already existing since just after world war two, it was an expansion. The right of

00:35:54.540 way was already there. And, uh, yeah, you know, bumpy Johnson, a commenter saying Trudeau liberals

00:36:00.780 might've made a mess of first nation relations. At least they signed away billions in rec

00:36:06.020 reconciliation funds uh yeah dark rope saying imagine uh building russian style housing for

00:36:11.800 canada yeah again that's when this is what this housing talked to when we're getting uh

00:36:17.240 governments promising oh we're going to build this many houses we're going to build that many 0.98

00:36:20.920 houses it's not the government's role to build the stinking houses get out of the damn way 0.87

00:36:24.320 we have a skilled workforce we have massive resources we have more lumber than most of the 0.78

00:36:30.680 countries in the world we could build these houses get out of the way dump the regulations

00:36:37.000 get rid of it the the redundancies the garbage and that's on every level of government and likewise

00:36:43.020 with the trans mountain pipeline i remember writing a column on that and researching this

00:36:46.420 is a line again this is just the expansion of an existing line it's going to go from alberta to bc

00:36:52.140 they managed to build that in 18 months the original line back at the the start of the 50s

00:36:56.940 with that technology and it had something like 12 or 1300 licenses and permits that it needed to 0.96

00:37:04.360 have that's stupid that's bs come on how many different things how much do you have to study 1.00

00:37:10.980 how much do you have to apply for there are parasitic bloody bureaucrats holding up this 1.00

00:37:15.940 project that project and every project for all these stupid things and they are not helping us 1.00

00:37:19.760 they're not saving the environment they're just arseholes lining their pockets because they've 1.00

00:37:24.460 created a cottage industry. And one of the favorite things that they like to cloak themselves around 0.82

00:37:28.340 is First Nations consultation. And yes, it's been, and stupidly, because it's a race-based policy, 0.96

00:37:35.880 but consultation of Indigenous people is a part of the Constitution. We have to consult before 0.93

00:37:43.060 doing anything. But remember what consult means. It doesn't mean we need consent. It means we're

00:37:49.140 obligated to reach out and talk to them and try to be, you know, up and up with it. Do you have

00:37:56.620 real concerns? Address real concerns. But you're not looking for pure consent. You can't get to

00:38:04.120 a point of just waiting until we've had full buy-in because you can die of old age on that

00:38:08.180 because there's always going to be somebody pissed off. No, we consulted. We were in good

00:38:12.160 faith. We did what we could. Now it's done. It's going ahead. It's over because you are not sovereign

00:38:16.900 nations. There's what I want to get onto when we get both Polyev and Carney talking, saying,

00:38:24.640 we're going to expand Canada's, you know, we're going to turn, Carney just said, we're going to

00:38:28.720 turn Canada into an energy superpower, and Polyev's saying the same thing. Fine, we're not getting

00:38:33.340 anything done until we get realistic about what First Nations are. They're not sovereign nations.

00:38:39.580 They aren't. They never were. First Nation bands, they're not separate countries. They don't have

00:38:46.380 this veto power that we've applied to them on anything and everything. But as long as we pretend

00:38:51.480 they have that ability, we can't get anything done. They're at best very, very empowered

00:38:59.240 municipalities. And the fact that we force consultation even, and I'm not talking about

00:39:04.340 when we're crossing an actual reserve, we end up getting mired in this stuff with every project

00:39:09.160 anywhere that gets done in any time. That's enough. It's stupid. It's stupid. And there's

00:39:14.260 thousands of lawyers robbing us blind, bureaucrats, and some self-serving people within the Indigenous 1.00

00:39:19.380 communities that just make a fortune on this endless, endless consultation racket. And it's

00:39:25.720 a racket. We're going to get it done or not, but we've got to get somebody with the knackers to say

00:39:34.440 that. And I don't expect them anytime soon. Politicians are terrified of the Indigenous

00:39:38.580 issues. And it's time to stop. It's time to stop. I mean, how well has it served them? How good is

00:39:45.800 it doing? How are the reserves doing? Are we getting rich yet? You know, we've been doing

00:39:49.260 decades of this consultation, decades of reconciliation, billions and billions and

00:39:54.100 billions of dollars handed out. And what did we get? In Alberta, First Nations people have a life 0.98

00:40:01.020 expectancy 20 years lower than the average person. Really, look it up. That's real. 20 years.

00:40:08.580 19, I think it was, 19 to change.

00:40:11.380 Nobody talks about that.

00:40:13.500 It's failing.

00:40:14.740 That's, I mean, that's absurd.

00:40:15.900 That's one of the headlines we should see all over the bloody place.

00:40:19.720 That's what's happened to their life expectancy despite handing out all the money,

00:40:24.800 despite handing out self-government, despite endlessly consulting,

00:40:28.320 despite empowerment, despite every possible government program in the world.

00:40:31.900 You want to know why?

00:40:33.280 You want to know why it's failing?

00:40:34.680 Because it's race-based policy.

00:40:37.260 you're separating people based on their bloodline the world is supposed to have grown beyond that

00:40:42.800 martin luther king must be just doing backflips in his grave because his goal was for us to get 0.97

00:40:49.060 together and the idiocy we're doing with the first nations things is separating them sticking 0.97

00:40:54.440 them on racially based enclaves and just throwing money at them which is is been misused most often 0.94

00:41:03.500 it's not getting to the people on the ground and even if it does what are you supposed to do sit

00:41:06.880 in the house, spend your money, watch TV, because there's not many resources or industries in these

00:41:10.860 little areas. Look where the reserves are. Even if you want to do more, what are you going to do?

00:41:15.980 How can a population not be dysfunctional in that circumstance? So if we, you know, we need

00:41:24.420 longer term thinking on this. We really do. We got to start looking at actually what works. That's

00:41:30.620 one of the things politicians, when we talk about corporate welfare things in general, as I was

00:41:35.400 speaking of. Enough of what your intentions are. I don't give a hoot what your intention was. I want

00:41:41.380 to know what the outcome is going to be. And if the policy won't work, then stop doing it.

00:41:46.780 Corporate welfare doesn't work. Stop it. This First Nations setup we have right now doesn't 1.00

00:41:54.320 work. Doesn't work by any measure. Hasn't worked. No government. And again, the conservative

00:41:58.860 liberals, they're no better than each other. It doesn't work. And the people who are suffering

00:42:04.160 the most are the the indigenous people on the ground it's not like they're living in the lap

00:42:10.880 of luxury because of all this no they're miserable the suicide rates blow other rates off the charts

00:42:17.200 the health issues because dietary wise they're socially dysfunctional they're in a terrible

00:42:21.760 condition that way uh household violence abuse of course addiction it's through the roof

00:42:27.360 it's awful education the graduation rates almost non-existent on the isolated reserves

00:42:34.640 how can you point at that and say we should stay on this trajectory yet they do they do you're not

00:42:42.000 allowed to say you change it if you get you point out trying to change that system you'll be called

00:42:47.720 the r word you know it you get it every time that's always the defense you're a racist it's

00:42:52.500 nothing to do with bloody race. It's a system. It's a system. It's a sick system. It's a broken

00:42:57.800 system. So either way, we're listening to a bunch of politicians all out there asking for our votes

00:43:03.640 and they're all giving the same sorts of lines. And this is where the cynicism gets built

00:43:08.140 because most of them, I mean, I've certainly got my preferences. I do not want to see Carnegie.

00:43:13.000 And I want to see those liberal snakes back in there for another term. But the conservatives 0.59

00:43:17.320 do the same thing in the sense that they just promise, promise, promise. They're not really

00:43:20.240 worried about whether it's going to work later.

00:43:24.420 It's just a matter of getting the votes today.

00:43:26.180 We'll worry about whether or not something will work now.

00:43:29.020 Western Standard.

00:43:29.840 The issue with consultation is the court's involvement

00:43:31.620 then determining when consultation has been fulfilled.

00:43:34.240 Some courts enforcing Gladue case law.

00:43:37.040 Okay, that's from Bumpy Johnson.

00:43:38.840 This is another final one.

00:43:40.220 Let's talk about justice law and order and things like that.

00:43:42.500 And the three strikes law.

00:43:43.880 And that's probably the thing that would kill it for Polly Ave 1.00

00:43:45.720 if it tries to get to the courts.

00:43:48.080 For people unfamiliar with it,

00:43:49.140 The Gladue Principles, based on a past case, forces judges to essentially give a pass whenever possible to Indigenous offenders because of bad, you know, challenges in upbringing and the disadvantages that Indigenous people have had to endure.

00:44:07.480 But it's not working.

00:44:08.740 Some of our worst repeat offenders, horrifically out there, unfortunately, you know, whatever, but they've been First Nations people. 1.00

00:44:15.180 that's a reflection again of the broken system not some inherent thing that their race is a bunch

00:44:18.960 of criminals see that's where the game starts getting played that's what you're saying no

00:44:21.740 that's not what i'm saying but i'm saying it's put people into a situation a social situation

00:44:25.420 where crime is through the roof and embittered dysfunctional people tend to commit more of those

00:44:29.840 crimes and it does perpetuate itself but giving different sentencing structures to dangerous 1.00

00:44:37.720 offenders based on their racial background is stupid and it's not working and that's the gladi 0.99

00:44:42.600 thing yes and it puts us all at risk because yeah it might be awful some of these offenders you could 1.00

00:44:50.080 read a life story on them and it is horrific they might have been abused as children they

00:44:53.460 they might have grown up in squalor they they might have been you know terribly beaten terrified

00:44:58.000 traumatized it's terrible but it doesn't make them any less dangerous once they've responded

00:45:05.560 to it throughout through participating in violent crimes the the cause of the issue doesn't make

00:45:11.420 them less dangerous that means we have to still keep them incarcerated until we get a magic pill

00:45:16.060 that we can give to a violent offender that suddenly makes them want to stop harming people

00:45:21.300 we need to keep them locked up but instead we take some of the worst and we let them go

00:45:26.760 uh it just fails i just want to see policy that works that's why i like the discussion of mr

00:45:33.580 carbineau i kind of again i'm pragmatic to a degree i accept there's going to be a degree

00:45:36.780 of corporate welfare i can't stand it i'd rather see zero that's my ideology but i understand there

00:45:41.140 will be some. So let's try to see if we can get some that would work or at least work a little

00:45:46.200 closer to what's acceptable. But we got to look at outcomes instead of intention, right? I don't

00:45:54.240 care how many jobs you think it's going to create. Prove it's going to create jobs. I don't care how

00:45:58.480 bad, again, the challenges this individual have. Prove that this person's safe before you release

00:46:03.160 them. It's a lot to ask, but keep asking your politicians, guys. This is the time for it. This

00:46:08.780 is an election time hold their feet to the fire ask them how they're going to make these policies

00:46:13.100 work tell them your vote's not coming until you can show you're going to do a better bloody job

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Western Standard - April 09, 2025

Carney’s Liberals want your home equity

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