Western Standard - CMS： Alberta’s recall legislation is an insulting joke

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00:00:29.980 day it is wednesday march 15th 2023 welcome to the cory morgan show i hope you cut the time 0.91

00:00:38.060 all right is that time change that wretched stupid thing we do where it changes clocks twice a year

00:00:43.260 so as i said on twitter my microwave is going to be one hour off now for six solid months it gets 0.84

00:00:48.340 frustrating but it's still easier learning how to program the thing so yeah we've got a good show

00:00:53.500 coming up today a lot going on good to see some of you commenting uh what was that north run greater

00:00:57.960 not sure of course one of my most favorite but I buy him a coffee okay I'll take a coffee you know

00:01:02.040 we don't get paid a hell of a lot around here coffee is well worth it for us so uh yeah we

00:01:06.840 got lots of news and items of course and as we've been tweeting and I'm seeing people checking in

00:01:10.460 looking forward to it already Tamara Leach is going to be on really been looking forward to

00:01:14.320 this conversation for quite a while of course she's had a hell of a year that she didn't

00:01:18.800 anticipate and the adventure is still ongoing so we'll check in and talk for a little while on that

00:01:24.340 going to be uh covering a lot of things ranting and raving as usual as well i just want to do a

00:01:30.460 shout out to to the the bison association of alberta they had me and jane over last weekend

00:01:35.400 as a speaker at their convention in camrose it was fantastic they're a great organization you

00:01:40.000 want some good local meat guys check out alberta grown bison it's it's fantastic and yeah linda

00:01:45.280 and stephen were excellent hosts putting it all together all right i'm going to get on to what's

00:01:49.420 got me worked up something a little more domestic before we get into those broader issues and things

00:01:53.600 And that's what this, we're hearing it in the news lately with Alberta's recall legislation.

00:01:58.680 So, I mean, there were many things that led to the collapse of support for Premier Jason Kenney, you know, within his own base.

00:02:04.820 And a large factor in that demise was his tendency to promise big and deliver small.

00:02:09.640 And Kenney promised many things while running for the leadership of the newly formed UCP.

00:02:12.960 He promised to shore up provincial autonomy within Canada and to stand up against Ottawa.

00:02:17.960 Upon becoming Premier, Kenney struck the Fair Deal panel, which traveled the province for months talking to Alberta,

00:02:22.980 about how to change Alberta's relationship with Ottawa.

00:02:26.120 The Fair Deal panel came back with a bunch of recommendations

00:02:28.120 and Premier Kennedy didn't implement pretty much one of them.

00:02:31.360 I think there were a couple of little things he did,

00:02:32.540 but the big ones he didn't bother.

00:02:34.040 It was just something to calm the people down.

00:02:36.340 That was starting to frustrate a lot of supporters.

00:02:39.000 He also promised democratic reform,

00:02:40.600 and that's a promise that made me perk up

00:02:42.480 because I've always been a strong believer

00:02:43.840 in direct democracy and political accountability.

00:02:46.800 Now, Kennedy did deliver on his promised democratic reforms,

00:02:49.080 but he did it in a way even worse

00:02:51.180 than not tabling legislation at all.

00:02:53.720 The Kennedy government created the Recall Act,

00:02:56.240 but they purposely made it completely unworkable.

00:02:58.640 And they did the same thing

00:02:59.380 with their Citizens Initiative Act.

00:03:01.120 What the Kennedy government did in creating those acts

00:03:03.100 was tell Kennedy's former supporters,

00:03:04.820 the former now, 1.00

00:03:05.920 I think you're stupid enough to accept this 1.00

00:03:08.340 as a promise kept. 1.00

00:03:09.460 Well, it turns out the supporters weren't that stupid, 0.99

00:03:11.520 and Kennedy is now a former premier of Alberta due to that. 0.99

00:03:14.640 I mean, a bar has to be set

00:03:16.100 to initiate a recall or a referendum.

00:03:18.200 Fair enough, and it has to be fairly high.

00:03:19.660 We don't need every elected person to be constantly fighting off recall campaigns,

00:03:23.900 and we don't need a bunch of referendums held on trivial matters.

00:03:26.860 The bar can't be impossible to meet, though, or the legislation's useless.

00:03:30.680 And that's what the Kennedy government set the bar at.

00:03:33.140 They made it impossible.

00:03:34.500 The reason we're hearing about it in the news now, even though this act is years old,

00:03:38.480 is because the 18-month post-election waiting period to try and initiate a recall for municipal politicians has just passed.

00:03:46.600 There's lots of people who have been eagerly awaiting the chance to recall municipal officials,

00:03:50.280 and now they're looking into it and discovering they can't really do it.

00:03:52.840 Think about it.

00:03:53.380 To initiate a municipal recall in Alberta, a person or group has to garner witness signatures

00:03:57.860 from 40% of the population of the ward within 60 days.

00:04:02.240 And that number is often actually higher than the total number of people actually voted in the election.

00:04:07.560 These are real petition signatures, by the way, not some online thing.

00:04:11.120 You need to have the person sign the petition in person on a physical copy

00:04:15.280 with a witness, and they have to provide their address and phone number so the signatures can

00:04:18.780 be confirmed if need be, and they have to be on the electoral lists. How many people are willing

00:04:22.880 and trusting enough to provide that to a petitioner? I tell you what, going door to door, a person would

00:04:27.480 have to work their ass off just to get 100 signatures a day, and they would somehow need

00:04:31.680 to get tens of thousands of those signatures in 60 days. Yeah, right. Likewise, to initiate a

00:04:37.680 referendum, the bar is ridiculous. A person has a 90-day window to collect signatures from 10%

00:04:41.980 of the province's eligible voters. And that goes to 20% if it's a constitutional issue.

00:04:50.740 Like this is just beyond the pale. It's insulting. And it's a slap in the face to the people who

00:04:57.960 elected them based on that. Now, you would have been better off just not tabling it at all.

00:05:03.460 You know, to put out something, it's like giving somebody a gun and saying, but I'm not going to

00:05:07.620 allow you to have the bullets. It can still be fixed. Daniel Smith has always shown a lot of

00:05:12.900 support for things like direct democracy and items like that. Perhaps with some encouragement,

00:05:17.940 she could be pushed into amending this bill. These bills don't have to be tossed out, 0.98

00:05:21.060 but they need to be fixed. That bar needs to be set and it needs to be realistic.

00:05:24.800 Of course, no politicians ever like to put accountability legislation in that might

00:05:29.620 actually impact them down the road. And I'm afraid Premier Smith might not even be an exception. So

00:05:33.520 it's up to you guys, get on her case, push for that one, push your MLAs, get that moving, because

00:05:38.660 it's good legislation, but it needs to be, the teeth need to be put back into it that Premier

00:05:44.000 Kenney took out of it when he first modeled it. That's what's kind of got me ranting and raving.

00:05:48.240 Either way, like I said, this is something I think the left and right can get on board with. I mean,

00:05:52.500 the people most furious, the ones that they really want to get, is Councillor Sean Chu.

00:05:57.800 They're furious with him, and they want to recall him. I don't know if he needs to be recalled or

00:06:00.980 not that's a separate discussion, but they're discovering again, it just can't be done. Those

00:06:05.920 numbers are not realistic. And it was insulting. And there's other countries and states that have

00:06:11.380 done this before. It's not like Kenny could pretend we didn't have precedent to see what

00:06:15.580 a workable recall or referendum legislation looks like. It's already out there. They could have set

00:06:20.780 the bars based on that. They purposely made it impossible. And that was a political bait and

00:06:27.160 switch. And to be honest, like so many things, unfortunately, with Premier Kenny, it was

00:06:30.440 unforgivable. One of the many that led to his downfall. All right. Well, let's get on to some

00:06:35.000 other news here and check in with our news editor, Dave Naylor. I abandoned him last week and didn't

00:06:39.780 let him check in. And it was tragic. But this time, we're certainly seeing what's happening

00:06:43.720 in the newsroom today. How's it going, Dave? Okay. Sorry, I didn't quite catch what you said

00:06:56.700 there dave a little bit of feedback oh sorry about that uh just how are you doing thanks for having

00:07:02.780 me on the show after the sub last week well yeah thanks i'm i'm happy you you've forgiven me this

00:07:07.620 time there you go hey i hear you're getting back into bee business i am i've got more bees they're

00:07:13.600 going to be coming uh this spring i'm getting them and uh i'm gonna set up i'm gonna defeat

00:07:18.560 that bear this year all right we'll have weekly updates cory versus the bear it'll be yeah you

00:07:25.920 get those updates when i'm all stung from head to toe and i screw up out there with the hive and

00:07:29.280 everything too exactly uh lots of stuff going on on the website uh this morning corey uh our

00:07:35.520 vancouver correspondent reed smalls got a story on a bc man who tried to get some of his stolen

00:07:41.360 property out from a local hobo encampment and got shot for his troubles so there is 0.97

00:07:48.240 We've got our real estate expert, Mike Thomas, talking about what's happening in the Canadian home buying market.

00:08:03.160 And it looks like things are getting back to normal after the pandemic.

00:08:07.320 And speaking of experts, we've got our energy expert, Sean Pulser, talking about a multi-billion dollar floating liquid natural gas facility that the B.C. government has given approval for.

00:08:20.540 And we've got a funny video up from Ontario politician Randy Hillieri talking about 15-minute cities, and he describes a 15-minute city just like walking around his chicken coop, and it's good for a chuckle if you haven't looked at it yet.

00:08:38.820 We've also got a sad story up early on 17 wild horses being shot and killed out on a First Nation reserve near Kamloops in the B.C. interior.

00:08:51.920 And we've got a story on a drag show down in Florida that had a drag show at the Hyatt Regency.

00:08:59.020 And that hotel has had its liquor license pulled because there were children at the drag show. 0.66

00:09:04.620 And it was a very sexual show, apparently.

00:09:07.960 And that's the stuff, a lot more stuff.

00:09:11.160 And keep in mind for Linda Slea column coming up this afternoon.

00:09:17.140 She's writing on the New City Council bylaw that protects drag shows and the like.

00:09:25.740 No protests within 100 meters of city facilities.

00:09:30.500 and also coming in that column is a link to the Soviet national anthem back in the old days.

00:09:37.220 So you'll get a sense of what Linda's writing about or what angle she's taking right there, Corey.

00:09:44.720 Right on. Well, yeah, Linda doesn't pull any punches, that's for sure. 1.00

00:09:47.640 Looking forward to that one. I heard you playing that in the newsroom earlier.

00:09:50.580 I was wondering what the hell you were playing that anthem for.

00:09:52.540 Okay, now I've got an idea.

00:09:53.400 Yeah. You know what? I will give it to the Soviets. 0.98

00:09:56.520 It was a pretty stirring national anthem.

00:09:58.260 So, yeah, welcome to come, Corey.

00:10:01.380 And, you know, the whole newsroom is abuzz with excitement because Tamara Litch is visiting.

00:10:07.580 So everybody's shaking her hand and welcoming her to the Western Standard in your show.

00:10:14.840 Yes, no, we're quite looking forward to that conversation right away.

00:10:18.140 All right.

00:10:18.740 Well, thanks for the update, Dave, and we'll talk to you after the show.

00:10:23.680 Thanks, Corey.

00:10:25.660 All right.

00:10:26.220 That is our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:10:28.260 Yes. He's always managing all those people from all across the country who are putting those

00:10:32.360 stories in and covering things for you guys. It's just that time I got to nag you and remind you, 0.94

00:10:37.340 the reason we can stay independent, the reason we can pay the bills is because you guys have

00:10:40.520 been subscribing. This is why we can proudly stand up and say, we refuse to take any government

00:10:45.620 dollars ever, not a penny, but we can only do it because you guys are subscribing. So if you

00:10:49.880 haven't subscribed yet, come on guys, $9.99 a month, a hundred dollars for a year. It's well

00:10:57.160 worth it. I mean, come on, you used to pay for newspaper subscriptions. They're thinking about

00:11:00.000 it. This is the same sort of thing. So get on there, take out a subscription. And if you've

00:11:04.700 subscribed already, we really do appreciate it. All right, let's look through some of those

00:11:08.740 comments. I see a North Run grader talking about, yeah, I guess with my beehive saying five lines

00:11:15.320 of electric fence around the hives. Yeah, I had a bunch. My ongoing battle with that damn bear

00:11:18.800 went on for a while. I was kind of documenting it last fall. It kept coming back in the night. I 1.00

00:11:22.580 even shot it with a rubber buckshot to try and discourage it. And I had electric wiring, but

00:11:27.040 it didn't care. So I'm going to build a fortress around that darn hive this year because I know 0.98

00:11:30.660 he's going to be back and I'm going to beat that thing, but I still won't shoot it because I like 1.00

00:11:35.240 bears even more than bees, even if they're being jerks. So let's see, looking at some of this news, 0.99

00:11:42.000 you know, something we didn't touch on with Dave, but it's, it's constantly going on and it's, it's

00:11:45.380 still happening is of course the ongoing scandal with the China interference. I mean, are we going

00:11:52.920 to get an inquiry? When are we going to get an inquiry? How much longer can Prime Minister Trudeau

00:11:57.480 manage to hold this off? The filibustering going on, because of course, so I mean, the Liberal

00:12:03.260 MPs, and for those who aren't political wieners, most of you know, but filibustering is basically

00:12:06.780 when a party or group is just purposely abusing a committee's rules or a gathering's rules to try

00:12:12.420 and work out the clock or tire people out. So Liberal MPs the other night put in 22 hours on

00:12:17.720 a filibuster. They were talking about everything from their summer vacations to you name it,

00:12:21.280 just to fill the time up to avoid having Trudeau's chief of staff, Katie Telford, show up and even

00:12:27.480 appear before the committee. It reeks. It reeks. I mean, what are they hiding? It stinks to high

00:12:34.840 heaven. The frustrating thing, though, I mean, we're seeing some political unity in a way.

00:12:40.000 The leader of the Bloc Québécois, he's come out and said, yes, that's it. We need an inquiry.

00:12:43.740 We're going to force a vote on it. We've got a couple of votes coming up, and the opposition

00:12:48.160 parties can formally vote for that inquiry as a parliamentary order. And the conservatives are

00:12:53.040 committed to that too. Jagmeet Singh though, he said he wants an inquiry, but he's, he waffles

00:12:58.740 every time they talk about actually forcing the issue. And that's what really frustrates on this

00:13:05.040 whole front. Like if he won't play ball, it won't happen. And I don't think, I mean, this rot is

00:13:13.420 too deep. Canadians are too frustrated. They're too worked up over this whole thing. It's going

00:13:17.180 to get settled. It's going to get resolved. It's going to get exposed. It's just a matter of how

00:13:21.060 long they'll be able to drag it out before it happens. So, I mean, come on, Singh, just show

00:13:27.220 some principles. You know, you can still be a lefty and your socialist self and everything,

00:13:32.240 but go stand up and say, look, I've got to stand up. We've got to demand a full inquiry and find

00:13:38.200 out just what the heck has happened here. Right now, we've got a lot of Canadians of Asian descent

00:13:43.360 who are unfairly getting smeared as perhaps being connected with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:13:48.260 And, of course, we've got a lot of people who are beholden to the Chinese Communist Party,

00:13:52.140 but we don't know who they are or how beholden they are or what it's done, what it's impacted.

00:13:56.100 This is serious, serious business.

00:13:58.940 And so far, Trudeau has been skating on it or trying to.

00:14:02.340 I mean, it's getting to them. It's getting to them.

00:14:05.140 But the linchpin right now is Jagmeet Singh.

00:14:09.080 You know, I mean, come on.

00:14:10.380 You got into politics once in a while to take a principal stand, didn't you?

00:14:14.440 I mean, don't you want to go to bed at night and just one time say, yeah, I did the right thing.

00:14:17.480 I forced something.

00:14:18.260 I couldn't take this anymore.

00:14:19.940 But right now he's still stuck in that self-serving agreement with Trudeau, and it's just brutal to see.

00:14:26.940 Yeah, see.

00:14:27.660 I'll hit on something else.

00:14:28.360 I'm on kind of an optimistic note.

00:14:29.500 This is interesting, but again, it's going to require some testicular fortitude on the part of the government, so that could be a big ask.

00:14:35.400 But Dave mentioned that.

00:14:36.320 yeah, there's an LNG export facility off the coast of BC. It's out by Kinematon. This would

00:14:41.140 be a floating LNG terminal, liquid natural gas, where they could export. The thing is that those

00:14:45.180 floating ones, they can build those a lot faster and get them operational more quickly. That's what

00:14:49.380 Germany did when our moron of a prime minister went and said there was no business case for 0.99

00:14:53.520 natural gas to send to Germany. Well, Germany set up a floating terminal and they got natural gas 0.97

00:14:59.460 from Qatar and the United States while we're still sitting on our thumbs over here. But at least

00:15:03.920 on BC. They've got this going on because the construction in Kitimat on the formal terminal

00:15:08.940 is taking forever, as usual, due to Canadian regulations and problems. But the other issue

00:15:14.900 is, of course, the ongoing eco-terrorism against the coastal gas link line, because that's the

00:15:19.380 line that's going to bring the gas to these terminals. And if Crudeau doesn't get off his

00:15:23.340 butt and somehow get in there and lay down real law, we're going to talk about where he lays down 1.00

00:15:28.060 the law in stupid places really quickly here. But in the areas where we do need it, they don't do 0.99

00:15:33.200 anything. We had a work camp attacked by a bunch of guys with axes and shooting flares at security

00:15:39.760 guards. Still no arrests, no progress, no reports on this. This pipeline's delayed and delayed that

00:15:45.400 the costs are going through the roof. Illegal demonstrations, illegal camping in the middle of

00:15:49.520 it, all sorts of stuff going on. They won't crack down on that. So I don't care how many floating

00:15:54.080 LNG terminals you want to stick off the coast. If you can't get the gas to it, you might as well use

00:15:59.100 to get rid of sewage or something because it's pointless. It's completely pointless. So, I mean,

00:16:04.260 again, I'm a little hurt and I want to see more export capability. It's good for us. That one is

00:16:07.900 a partnership with the First Nation up there in that deal. And it's going to be really good for

00:16:12.640 the people living up that way, but they got to get it into production and they're not going to

00:16:16.680 do it without that pipeline. So again, you know, among the many other things going on up there,

00:16:20.600 it'd be nice to see some pragmatic courage from Ottawa. I know, I know. I haven't gone back to

00:16:25.960 drinking again. I just try to hold optimism on some of these things now and then because I need

00:16:30.720 to be able to sleep at night now and then. All right. Well, you know what? My guest is here and

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00:17:08.400 worth every penny all right well tamara welcome to the western standard studio we've really been

00:17:16.080 looking forward to this it's overdue to have you in here thank you thank you it's a pleasure to be

00:17:20.960 Be here finally and meet everyone in person.

00:17:23.060 I really appreciate that.

00:17:24.660 I'm hoping we can have a good conversation, cover a lot of things.

00:17:27.080 I want to clear some misconceptions or things that have been thrown your way.

00:17:30.520 I'm going to start with one, though, because I noticed our news editor went and did it right off the bat.

00:17:33.700 I asked you point blank in the news, because we've talked in the past, and you've just gone by, you know, through a matter of a party.

00:17:38.120 I never refer to a person by their last name, so it never occurred to me.

00:17:41.080 And pronouncing your last name shouldn't be that complicated, but it gets some people.

00:17:46.180 It's Tamara Leach.

00:17:47.320 Yes, yes, it is.

00:17:48.460 So just see, we get that out of the way.

00:17:49.420 So, you know, further interviews and things like that.

00:17:52.440 Nobody gets it right.

00:17:53.620 There.

00:17:53.860 See, we've already fixed up one big misconception in the first minute.

00:17:57.320 Yes.

00:17:58.040 So, I mean, I guess I'm just going to start with I want to talk a bit on the personal.

00:18:02.640 How are you doing?

00:18:03.600 I'm doing really, really well.

00:18:05.680 It's been quite busy.

00:18:07.880 Obviously, there's still a lot going on with the lawsuits and the criminal charges and everything.

00:18:11.880 So that that's keeping me busy.

00:18:14.200 And but, you know, I consider myself an eternal optimist.

00:18:18.360 So, I mean, I don't let it get me down.

00:18:21.160 Good.

00:18:21.620 I mean, that's what I was happy to see when you came in the newsroom and we were chatting

00:18:23.900 with everybody.

00:18:24.400 You're really upbeat.

00:18:25.420 I mean, you've had just a bizarre year that, you know, 14 months ago, you never would have

00:18:29.880 imagined it was going to happen.

00:18:31.620 And you're still in the midst of it.

00:18:34.160 So, like, what kind of legal timeline are you looking at?

00:18:37.880 I know they keep changing things, but, I mean, is there kind of a light at the end of the

00:18:41.540 tunnel where you might get closure on this?

00:18:44.680 Well, I'm really hoping so.

00:18:46.080 so far our criminal trial because Chris and I are still at this point co-accused and so we'll be

00:18:50.660 tried together is set for September 2nd and I believe they've got two weeks set aside for that

00:18:54.780 so as far as the criminal stuff goes I'm really hopeful that after that that stuff will all be

00:19:00.320 dealt with and then of course we have the ongoing civil suit so I never thought I'd have so many

00:19:06.240 lawyers in my life yeah I was just reading about that civil suit this morning actually they're

00:19:11.900 look at hundreds of millions of dollars, which is ridiculous. I mean, it's, I guess, a point

00:19:16.580 of principle thing then, blood from a stone. You know, as far as I know, you don't have hundreds

00:19:21.340 of millions of dollars laying around. No. There's another one to clear up. I mean, I just get so

00:19:26.280 infuriated when I watch the social media things. You haven't had much chance to speak. One was a

00:19:31.160 rumor, and again, that, oh, you've run off with a whole bunch of money out of this. I didn't see

00:19:37.680 the Ferrari drop you off today or anything like that. I mean, people have been very helpful

00:19:42.980 in things, but you haven't been standing by a bunch of money. No. I mean, all the money

00:19:48.340 that was donated, it was locked up immediately anyways. We have absolutely no access to it.

00:19:53.280 So I've heard I bought property in Haul, Quebec. I heard I've taken off to Mexico. I hear all

00:20:00.200 these rumors and it's quite funny. And the ironic thing is that if people really want to know what's

00:20:06.160 going on with the money, it's a Google search. We've had a forensic audit done. And then of

00:20:11.400 course we had FinTrack investigate where the donations came from. So, um, I chalk that up

00:20:17.140 to laziness. Yeah. Well, and people just want to perceive certain things. Like I said, that's

00:20:22.460 part of what frustrated me. And as I said, I wanted to get you on talk and for people to realize

00:20:26.440 they don't have to agree with what the convoy was about perhaps or things like that, but you've just

00:20:31.760 really been dragged through the mud as a terrorist, the terms I've heard, you know, Nazi extremist,

00:20:38.580 things like that. And at least to my knowledge, if you are all of those things, you keep them

00:20:42.000 very, very well bottled up. I haven't seen any indications. Yes, thank you. I don't think I'm a

00:20:47.880 Nazi, no. No. And just the absurdity of this whole mess. And I mean, also the fact that the 0.80

00:20:55.400 government's been feeding it too. I mean, the vitriol in trying to keep you locked up, speaking

00:20:59.720 of points of principle. I mean, if you look at the basics of bail, it's if a person's presenting a

00:21:06.520 risk to society, if you let them out, you know, then perhaps you should keep them in. Now, our

00:21:10.600 government hasn't been doing it very well in general. We had a police officer killed by a

00:21:13.480 gentleman out on bail and we're seeing all sorts of very dangerous people put out on bail all the

00:21:17.400 time, but you really had to battle. I mean, you've never committed a crime. You've never harmed

00:21:23.720 no criminal record, nothing. No, no. And I imagine you haven't harmed anybody since you've been on

00:21:28.360 bail no yeah i've been behaving well yeah that's right yeah you know i i don't really i don't

00:21:35.880 really understand it i i i think in a way i'm lucky that i'm not allowed on for social media

00:21:40.760 right now because you know people can be cruel and i like to pride myself i think i have pretty

00:21:45.400 thick skin though i don't i don't really let it get me down there my dad always said 10 of the

00:21:50.600 people aren't going to like you anyways just because so i i'm not going to please everybody

00:21:55.560 No, when that's, again, I mean, yeah, you still, sometimes you look at stuff and you read,

00:21:59.220 ah, but you can't help yourself. But I mean, over time you get, some people get used to it.

00:22:03.720 But you know, you need to understand though, I mean, that whole narrative was crafted

00:22:07.460 by the PMO and the public safety office about us before I even got into Big Red

00:22:12.800 in Medicine Hat and left on the convoy. I mean, this was all, this narrative was totally crafted.

00:22:18.300 Well, part of my theory, my theory on it for what it's worth is that, I mean, among the,

00:22:21.960 There was no single leader of this whole movement.

00:22:24.840 It was a really unprecedented organic thing that happened.

00:22:29.660 And the thing that you scared them with was that you aren't a demon.

00:22:34.720 You don't have swastika test attitude on your face. 0.94

00:22:37.380 You don't have a big, long, crazed criminal history.

00:22:40.200 And that's not what they want to be projected to the public.

00:22:42.640 They want it to be seen that everybody involved in this was insane and they're seditionists

00:22:47.400 and they were trying to, you know, rip the country to shreds.

00:22:50.040 That's my job.

00:22:50.940 But I think that's part of why they really crack down on you.

00:22:55.940 I mean, if you were kind of off the handle, they would just sort of give a rope.

00:23:00.940 Yeah, that's right.

00:23:01.940 Well, and, you know, we were talking before earlier about the protests that happened in early 2020.

00:23:07.940 So, I mean, I am Métis.

00:23:09.940 So if I had been protesting in that protest and burning, you know, railway ties, would the outcome have been different?

00:23:19.940 I would be hailed as a hero by the liberal government now. Well, yeah, and for the frustration,

00:23:26.360 I mean, you brought that up, we were talking before, too. So I mean, it was like COVID saved

00:23:29.800 the government's butt from a sticky situation when, and actually, it's related to what I was

00:23:33.580 ranting about the CGL pipeline sparked it off. Some some protesters got removed from it. And

00:23:38.560 then it sparked protests across the country, they blocked railways. It was First Nations, 0.93

00:23:43.200 mostly, actually, I think, enviro activists hiding behind First Nations people. But yes,

00:23:48.020 Because of the COVID hit, it kind of gave them an out and everything kind of came to an end.

00:23:54.400 But otherwise, as you said, the government was in, they were negotiating all over the place.

00:23:57.940 These guys are blocking rail lines, they're lighting fires, they're getting very dangerous, and they're negotiating.

00:24:03.400 But with you guys in Ottawa, there was never a single even attempt to converse with you.

00:24:08.820 And that's just so wrong.

00:24:09.820 Yeah. Especially during that protest in particular, the prime minister kept talking about the

00:24:16.100 importance of dialogue and the importance of keeping dialogue open and hearing the other

00:24:20.800 side of the story. And he never once wanted to hear our side of the story.

00:24:24.860 No. And as I said, he didn't even try. I said, I know politics. You can go through the motions.

00:24:30.740 You can even send a representative from the Privy Office down to say, okay, we're going to talk to

00:24:35.020 them. And then they can sit and go through the motions. Then they come back and say, ah, these

00:24:38.160 guys are they're intractable we couldn't get anywhere but at least you showed you tried yes

00:24:42.880 they didn't even offer that much which still surprises me to this day because i mean you know

00:24:49.140 one of the things i said about the donations i mean we raised over 10 million dollars twice

00:24:53.860 and but it was never about the money it was the statement behind the money you know and i think

00:25:00.940 that really the support uh the the monetary support through donations the donations that

00:25:06.860 we received food and clothing from Canadians and just the people that showed up on the overpasses

00:25:12.020 and the side of the highways. I think that really scared them. Well, it should. I mean,

00:25:16.700 that raised more money in a few weeks than the entire governing party does in six months. So,

00:25:21.860 I mean, it shows an outside lot more support. It's hard to pretend that this is only three,

00:25:28.700 5,000, whatever amount of people in Ottawa, when clearly you've got donor numbers in the tens of

00:25:33.320 thousands of people supporting it from from outside of their possibly hundreds of thousands

00:25:36.920 yeah uh likewise you didn't uh get any calls from putin in large donations or anything like that

00:25:42.600 that was the one yeah that was hilarious actually i mean maybe we talked a bit about just when you

00:25:50.840 started if you kind of run because i mean again you weren't a professional activist isn't your

00:25:55.400 thing you were politically active before that's how i first ran across you you were on the board

00:25:58.840 with the Maverick Party. So you're active and you started the fundraiser for people going out when

00:26:07.020 the convoy was going. But I mean, at that point, you didn't imagine anything that was going to

00:26:11.320 turn out. No. And I laugh about this because we did not see that coming really literally. Like

00:26:16.600 when I when I first talked to Chris Barber, I just offered I said, this is my skill set. I'm good at

00:26:21.960 logistics and administration and organization how can I help you and and I just had when I started

00:26:29.020 the fundraiser I just assumed you know we'd make maybe twenty thousand dollars in donations which

00:26:33.980 would pay say for Chris and Bridget and some truckers to drive across the country and stand

00:26:38.940 up with their signs on Parliament Hill and then hop in their trucks and come back home and you

00:26:43.300 know we blew past that in 24 hours I think we were over a hundred thousand dollars in donations within

00:26:48.040 the first 24 hours well i think part of it was just you're the first one out with it yeah and

00:26:52.280 yeah you tapped into something that was much bigger people didn't even know was there until

00:26:55.960 they had the ability to contribute yeah well like i said it was the it was a perfect storm of events

00:27:01.160 i think well and a lot more people again i think that's part of why i got it because people could

00:27:05.560 see there's a lot more behind this than the others like most people just they don't have the ability

00:27:10.040 you got the kids at home you got the job or whatever i can't pick up and drive across the

00:27:13.720 country to take part in that protest but boy i really like what they're doing so here's ten

00:27:17.240 dollars here's fifty dollars here's a hundred dollars or whatever yeah well and again people

00:27:21.720 i think just so many people were able to come and every canadian just wanted to feel like they were

00:27:27.400 a part of it so if they couldn't come or they couldn't go to the road i mean you know they

00:27:31.080 wanted to be a part of it so even donating ten dollars made them feel you know that they were

00:27:35.640 part of the gang kind of yeah it's it so i i know it's hard it's working with with a hindsight like

00:27:43.000 Are you, are things you, I know this could be dangerous, are things you wish you'd done

00:27:47.920 differently yourself? Not really. You know, I mean, I look back at that. Obviously, I spent a

00:27:55.540 lot of time thinking about everything and what I could do differently. And, you know, I'm a believer

00:28:00.720 that everything happens for a reason. And so I don't know what we could change. I mean, other

00:28:06.220 than say the exit strategy to get out a little bit sooner. But, you know, that was one of the

00:28:11.000 things with the deal with the city that we were so excited about at least from my perspective

00:28:14.960 like I thought that was going to give us an out or going to allow us to start you know so we start

00:28:20.860 with the city and then maybe we can talk to the province next and then maybe the feds will come

00:28:24.820 in you know like I thought I really saw that as a first step in an exit strategy yeah because there

00:28:30.040 does have to be an end game we were kind of talking about outside you can't camp indefinitely

00:28:34.840 for months I think some people might have been prepared to but realistically things had to come

00:28:39.020 But there was just never a chance for that plan to form or go into action because everything, well, finally, the emergency sacks said, OK, everything's going to blow up now.

00:28:47.600 Well, and I don't think any of us really thought that the federal government would not come out and talk to us.

00:28:55.020 Like, you know, I thought for sure within a week, somebody would be sent to just hear us out or ask what we wanted or ask what the problem is.

00:29:02.960 And, you know, that just never happened.

00:29:05.820 Any conflict. I mean, negotiation is the first step.

00:29:08.340 If it's, and I don't, I'm not comparing this to a bank robbery, but let's say there was a bank

00:29:12.140 ICE and there's a bunch of hostages. You don't come in guns blazing. You start by negotiating.

00:29:16.740 That's right. Yeah. And they didn't even start there. They went straight to the enforcement

00:29:21.060 aspect of it. So, I mean, you had a lot of time to think, a lot of time while you were in remand.

00:29:25.700 Just to review, how long were you in custody? 48 days in jail, all told, between the summer and

00:29:33.100 last winter. Yeah. I mean, aside from one weird night in the 90s, you know, in a drunk tank,

00:29:37.820 I haven't had experience in the jails, but for what I've heard, remand is kind of one of the worst spots to be in, too,

00:29:44.640 because it's just, it's a temporary, theoretically custodial spot, you know, whereas a long-term facility, at least you'll have some services.

00:29:51.180 That's right, yeah, that's right, yeah.

00:29:52.320 That's why they offer prisoners, I think, two to one on sentences for remand time spent.

00:29:59.240 It must have been, at least it brought you down while you were in there.

00:30:03.500 I mean, you know, tough on you, right?

00:30:05.260 Nope.

00:30:05.560 you know when i was arrested i just felt like you know through the course of this whole thing i feel

00:30:11.300 like so many things got exposed i mean the mainstream media definitely exposed themselves

00:30:15.360 you know justin trudeau comes right out of the gate calling us a bunch of names and

00:30:18.820 uh organizations like gofundme exposed themselves you know and so when i was arrested i was literally

00:30:25.760 just at peace with it i just thought okay you know you're hot my higher power what i choose

00:30:29.900 to believe in, obviously had more work for me to do. And, um, I didn't feel afraid. I just,

00:30:38.240 you just put one foot in front of the other and, you know, well, and one thing to thank you guys

00:30:43.280 for what you brought up in a sense, like, was it, was it that, yeah, they didn't really did expose

00:30:46.980 just how broken the establishment media is. And just from a selfish perspective in the Western

00:30:52.420 standard, our subscriptions shot through the roof over that period, same with rebel and post-millennial

00:30:57.860 and True North because people were so repulsed by the terrible slanted coverage we saw from CBC,

00:31:05.120 CTV, Global. They were all awful. Yeah, it was terrible. And people saw through with them.

00:31:10.580 Yeah, yeah, that's good. It's about time. And I'm really happy that organizations like this one and

00:31:15.860 you know, all the independents are finally getting some traction.

00:31:18.940 Well, people are retreating to us, I guess, in a sense. So what are your plans going for? I mean,

00:31:25.380 you can only do so much while you're still kind of in a legal limbo, but still, I mean, you got

00:31:29.140 plans. You're not going to be in jail for 30 years, despite what some people are claiming to wish

00:31:34.300 upon you and such. Yeah, hopefully not 30 years, no. I'll be long dead by then, I'm thinking.

00:31:42.480 So, yeah, I don't, again, everything is still a bit in limbo with these charges and everything

00:31:47.460 hanging over me, but I do have a book coming out that should be out hopefully within the next few

00:31:52.860 weeks. So I've been working on that. And then we'll see. It's just, there's just so much going

00:32:01.540 on right now. It's hard to know where I'm going to land, you know, but I've had a lot of people

00:32:06.940 ask me about entering politics, which is something that I'm not really keen on doing now, if ever.

00:32:12.860 But so I guess we'll see. We'll see how it all falls apart or falls out. I mean, yeah.

00:32:20.680 So what's the biggest, I'm just trying to clear misconceptions,

00:32:26.060 what's the biggest one you'd like to cover today while you're on here?

00:32:28.940 Like the list is so long and things that have gone around out there

00:32:32.220 or false news or things like that.

00:32:34.380 Like what would you like to clarify while you've got a moment?

00:32:37.960 That's a good question because there is so much.

00:32:42.320 I think from my perspective,

00:32:45.980 especially sitting through that whole inquiry um that was six weeks of you know when I was there

00:32:52.160 just about every day listening to the testimony and all the witnesses and everything and

00:32:55.560 and uh my takeaway from the POEC was regardless of what you think you know we were just a bunch

00:33:03.740 of we're just a bunch of grassroots blue-collar workers and we were professional we were organized

00:33:15.060 you know, I think that we were able to identify problems before they occurred. And I'm really,

00:33:22.900 I feel like we did everything right, just about for the most part, you know. We were worried about

00:33:27.540 safety and keeping people safe. We were advocating for peace and love and respect and respecting the

00:33:34.340 police officers, you know, which is stuff that you don't hear very much anymore, you know.

00:33:38.980 You know, so when I look back on when I look back on it, I think we just did so many things right.

00:33:44.620 And I'm just so proud of of the truckers and the supporters.

00:33:49.780 And, you know, we didn't even break a window there.

00:33:54.200 No, it was striking.

00:33:55.780 I mean, a protest with that many people and no matter where on the spectrum you are, sometimes you're going to attract some.

00:34:01.800 Yeah, some people get a little too excited or some people are just crazy and they're going to do some damage or hurt people.

00:34:06.980 And as much as the warnings constantly came out, it wasn't happening.

00:34:11.140 This was a very, I mean, annoying for people.

00:34:13.420 I understand if I lived down there and the horns were going for days, I'd be getting grumpy as well or trying to get to work in the traffic.

00:34:19.060 I mean, but that's what happens with protests.

00:34:20.820 You live in Ottawa.

00:34:21.920 Well, it is the capital city.

00:34:23.580 Yeah.

00:34:24.480 But there was no riots.

00:34:26.780 There was no, again, despite the efforts of some media sources to try to claim, you know, there were no buildings being burned down.

00:34:32.520 The arson.

00:34:34.580 No shotguns seized.

00:34:36.020 Yep.

00:34:36.980 I guess also to clarify, too, though, I mean, part of the problem with a non-centrally sort of led thing, I mean, there were a few of you who were certainly the representatives and organizers, but at the same time, it was diverse.

00:34:48.000 The border issues, I mean, there was Windsor and Coutts in Alberta, but those had no, I mean, you have to say they're related.

00:34:55.580 I mean, it all blew up at the same time.

00:34:56.960 It's the same grievances and concerns, but these were separate protests.

00:35:00.440 they were all a separate their own grassroots movement and and when we were i think emerson

00:35:06.680 was the first one that we heard of and we were on our way to ottawa still so and and we were so busy

00:35:13.560 when we got on the ground like we knew that they were happening at these different locations um

00:35:18.360 border crossings but i couldn't follow it i was too busy you know like i i knew that they were

00:35:23.000 happening i tried to just get kind of the cole's notes versions throughout the day to find out

00:35:27.640 you know how things were progressing down there um but yeah like we we had enough of our own

00:35:34.600 things to worry about in ottawa let alone those right but yeah well it's just that there's separate

00:35:40.440 issues still yes dealt with in the law that there's the coots bunch you know and you can't 1.00

00:35:45.880 speak to it because you had absolutely nothing to do that's right yeah but that gets thrown onto

00:35:50.120 the ottawa protests at the same time people saying this was an active sedition and there

00:35:53.640 there were firearms and there was none of that well nobody's been charged with sedition no and

00:35:58.540 that's another one which is funny yeah if it was treason if it's sedition we have it on the books

00:36:03.160 yeah and they certainly weren't afraid to charge you with everything they possibly could so you

00:36:06.480 think they probably would have thrown that into the bunch if they if that's if they thought that

00:36:10.800 that's what we were going to do which was never I mean that was never the case you know can you

00:36:15.800 address a little bit that most of that came from that ridiculous uh memorandum of understanding

00:36:20.480 it was kind of posted on Facebook but that was just kind of something hatched up by a little

00:36:24.860 group on a different organization right a totally different organization I've never even read it I

00:36:29.580 don't even know what it says I mean you know that was never our intention you know we just wanted

00:36:34.900 to be heard and wanted the federal government to take a look at how these these mandates and stuff

00:36:40.680 are affecting people you know and again like every single day driving across this country people were

00:36:46.520 crying on my shoulder because they were about to kill themselves or they just lost their business

00:36:52.960 or they just lost their job or you know like that was that was our the the core group I guess that

00:37:01.240 was our main concern was you know there has to be a better way well and again that's something I

00:37:06.400 appreciate at least and I'm sure a lot of Canadians do that you show that there's a line and there's

00:37:11.260 a point where Canadians have had enough and even if it's a minority of Canadians if you're talking

00:37:15.100 about 10% or 20%. That's a significant minority of Canadians are saying, we've had enough. We're

00:37:21.280 not putting up with this any longer. That's right. We just kind of hope that lesson got driven home

00:37:25.400 to, I don't know, that's not a government that's easy at taking lessons, but there is a line

00:37:30.980 eventually. Yeah, that's right. And I mean, had there been, say, after the protest, he's just

00:37:34.600 guessing, and I mean, you wouldn't have taken part of it, but if they increased more restrictions

00:37:39.700 and brought more stuff down, I got a feeling a very tired population would have pushed back

00:37:43.600 again they said that's enough this is where it's well the Ontario government during the during the

00:37:49.200 POEC were talking about bringing masks back in and recommending them and they all but stopped

00:37:54.400 short of mandating them you know and we're obviously kind of watching that very closely

00:37:58.880 because I was curious too how far they were willing to go again but uh yeah they just stopped

00:38:03.020 short of of mandating it yeah and I mean there's a lot that just seem eager to bring in as many

00:38:07.720 mandates and controls as they can and uh there were people fighting against the removal of the

00:38:12.940 ridiculous vaccine passports in Calgary.

00:38:15.880 The govern me harder daddies. 0.97

00:38:17.760 I call them the govern me harder daddies.

00:38:20.000 And I still get on her case with Deborah Yedlin,

00:38:23.780 heads of the Chamber of Commerce.

00:38:24.880 These are business leaders supposedly said,

00:38:27.180 it'll be bad for restaurants

00:38:28.520 if you get rid of that vaccine passport.

00:38:30.580 This is telling me a business leader,

00:38:32.140 you never run a business.

00:38:33.500 I ran a restaurant for five years.

00:38:35.340 And if you're gonna have one more step

00:38:37.160 that annoys and limits your customers and everything,

00:38:39.780 it's not good for business.

00:38:40.920 I mean, don't, you can try to make the cases for health, but don't piss on my leg and tell

00:38:45.380 me it's raining and say that it's doing me good as a business because it's not.

00:38:50.220 That's right.

00:38:51.240 But that need to be exposed because she, she shows that there was that element of people

00:38:54.460 they want more.

00:38:55.280 They want to keep the restrictions.

00:38:56.700 I don't know what it is.

00:38:57.340 That security blanket that govern me harder.

00:38:59.860 Yeah.

00:39:00.140 I, I don't know.

00:39:01.160 I, I don't see that.

00:39:02.660 I don't, I don't talk to anybody that ask, act actually wants more restrictions and more

00:39:06.660 rules and more laws.

00:39:08.160 I don't run in those circles.

00:39:09.340 Oh, yeah, that's outside of our bubbles.

00:39:11.460 And that's things we've got to be careful with.

00:39:12.700 I mean, it's good that you've got a break from social media.

00:39:14.400 We're bad for that.

00:39:14.920 We're talking about algorithms, too.

00:39:16.600 We hear a lot of our own echo chambers, but, hey, there's other voices out there.

00:39:21.060 Maybe just to kind of finish up, maybe, you know, you're not planning on organizing protests.

00:39:25.020 Again, we're standing through that.

00:39:25.820 Yeah, no, but no.

00:39:26.360 But worrisome on where we've had this precedent set on crushing protests.

00:39:30.300 We're seeing that big debate in Calgary right now with, again, where the person agrees or disagrees with the readings and libraries and things like that,

00:39:38.620 where the city has banned protesting within 100 yards of the facility.

00:39:43.960 You've got to be really careful when you start limiting the ability to protest,

00:39:47.320 even if you don't like.

00:39:48.560 That's right.

00:39:49.280 We were kind of talking about that before.

00:39:51.900 When you crack down on them, the next government might be after you with that same legislation.

00:39:57.640 That's exactly right.

00:39:58.640 And that's kind of what I say when people talk about how,

00:40:02.200 like, lock her up and throw away the key and I hope she goes to jail for life. 1.00

00:40:05.560 Well, that's fine if that's what you want.

00:40:07.560 I mean, but you have to realize that this government isn't going to be in power forever.

00:40:12.400 And maybe the next one is going to find fault with something that you've done.

00:40:16.180 You know, I mean, they had a Greenpeace next time.

00:40:18.560 It might be an indigenous leader because it's a government that doesn't particularly feel as fond of their protests.

00:40:24.200 Yeah, I find it ironic and a little bit funny that you can ban protests because that's actually what a protest is.

00:40:33.680 I mean, I mean, wasn't it Trudeau that said at the POEC in his testimony?

00:40:37.560 that he doesn't think it's right that people protest in order to change policy like that's

00:40:42.140 the whole point of having a protest yeah I know and it is a fuzzy area when you get between civil

00:40:50.220 disobedience and the right of protest it's a fine line and you know the lines get crossed so just

00:40:55.300 the state has to intervene and I know my libertarian followers cringe when I say that

00:40:58.800 sometimes there's a line crossed but yeah I think it all has to be respectful and that's that's kind

00:41:06.040 of my biggest my biggest thing is to always be respectful you know like we didn't want to go to

00:41:12.700 Ottawa and call people a bunch of names and and be rude and terrible you know you know you know

00:41:17.680 then when the mask mandates were in I put a mask on to walk into a store you know I put it on at

00:41:22.780 the last minute and take it off as soon as I could but I mean I could still respect their rules and 0.92

00:41:27.280 I didn't go in there and call them names or tell them how stupid I thought it was you know like I 0.98

00:41:32.060 think you're not, you're going to lose people when you start being disrespectful and rude. 0.99

00:41:37.600 Yeah. There was a circumstance in that same Calgary. There was a bunch of protesters went

00:41:41.420 into a mall and really made a racket and yelling. I mean, these are innocent mall security people

00:41:45.660 and retail clerks. Look, they probably don't like the masks any more than you do. You're not doing

00:41:50.360 your cause any favors when you get on their case. Maybe kind of asking about that as trying to lead

00:41:55.240 or be one of the leaders of this group in a sense, how many fires did you have to put out?

00:41:59.680 because we as we said there are some kind of offbeat people i mean one of the best things i

00:42:04.000 saw was that that one clown walking around with that that uh confederate flag and he was masked

00:42:10.080 and i still i wonder how much he really and he happened to be masked as well but they didn't put 0.57

00:42:15.040 up with that and that was the best thing i could see the other protesters chased him off not the

00:42:18.320 police not anything else they said hey you weren't with us get stuff go away and they didn't do it

00:42:24.640 rudely or call them any names they just said you're not welcome here so please leave did you

00:42:30.720 guys make some of those efforts occasionally oh yeah there was a lot i mean we were putting out

00:42:37.040 lots of fires honestly but you know for the most part people were really good um of course any any

00:42:42.960 type of protest or large gathering like that is gonna attract a few bad eggs and again we just

00:42:49.520 kept our message um about peace and love and unity and um you know if something came up we just we

00:42:56.160 fixed it you know um there was the shepherds of good hope that was like i think the first

00:43:01.920 the first incident that i heard of and i still don't even know the story there what happened but

00:43:06.960 you know we heard that some truckers went in and stole a bunch of food and they were rude which i

00:43:12.080 can't i can't see period happening but you know what did we do well we took a bunch of donations

00:43:18.080 And we had, we had food banks and shelters turning food away because we were giving so much away, you know, but that was because of the generosity of Canadians, you know, like it was incredible.

00:43:30.260 Well, I mean, it was quite something to run the time out.

00:43:35.420 But I mean, it's good just to be able to look back and review because I think with most of the tempers when they calm down, I think a lot of people will look back on this and realize that there was a lot of mistakes made on a lot of parts.

00:43:46.000 But, I mean, I think it'll look kindly mostly on a lot of the organizers' parts as compared to what you've taken.

00:43:52.280 I'm biased on that.

00:43:53.220 I don't know.

00:43:53.400 Some people are always going to despise every part of it.

00:43:55.000 Oh, of course, yeah.

00:43:56.360 Right to the end.

00:43:57.220 I mean, something I'm hopeful for, a lot of judges, they still, liberal appointed or not, they take the role very seriously, and they follow the law seriously.

00:44:03.820 And I'm hoping it's a rational one when the time comes when they realize, you know, we're not serving the world any better by putting you back behind bars or any kind of crazy odious sins.

00:44:12.780 Yeah, I know.

00:44:13.640 I don't know.

00:44:14.540 I'm not sure what the outcome will be, but after 48 days in jail over mischief, I'm not,

00:44:19.960 I just can't see them putting me back in, but you know, who knows? Nothing, really nothing would

00:44:24.360 surprise me anymore. I was, I allowed myself to be surprised when that happened, when they sent

00:44:28.740 homicide detectives all the way from Ottawa, two of them flew them to Madison Hat to pick you up

00:44:33.520 and fly you back. Yeah. Again, surprised and outraged me, not just because it's cracking

00:44:39.520 down on you, but okay. Look at the resources. These are homicide detectives. There's some dead

00:44:43.340 people you should be finding the killers of i mean you have better things to do and right at that

00:44:47.960 time there had been like a mass stabbing in ottawa i think a city councillor and her daughter were

00:44:54.580 stabbed so yeah like the i i thought that was a little a bit of an overreach too i mean two

00:45:00.940 arms i did i'm literally five feet tall yeah i noticed you're a small person when you came in

00:45:07.220 i mean you only need so much restraint you know masking tape on the airplane seat you're not going

00:45:11.160 Yeah. And, you know, the irony is literally all they would have had to do was call me and say, Miss Leach, we're concerned you've breached your conditions. Please go to the police station. They had me surveilled and followed and then taken down the street on my way home from work. Actually, I was on my way home from my sureties. I just stopped at my sureties so that she could go through all my devices and make sure I wasn't on social media or communicating with people I'm not supposed to be communicating with.

00:45:38.400 So, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it was, it was a bit of a surprise.

00:45:45.500 I'm really not that big of a deal.

00:45:48.640 They feel you are. And as I said, you, you, you, you are to them.

00:45:53.300 You're a symbol of, there are, there were rational people behind it.

00:45:57.640 And I don't think they want the public to see that.

00:46:00.680 You're, you're still letting the public know that.

00:46:02.580 So I really do appreciate that. And I really appreciate you coming in today.

00:46:05.620 I'm looking forward to the book.

00:46:06.800 I hope we can talk again when that's out. Absolutely. We will. Great. Anything else

00:46:10.920 you'd like to say to the audience before you let you go? No, thanks for all the support that

00:46:16.000 everyone's given. And, uh, yeah, I, I look forward to seeing what the next few months brings.

00:46:21.460 Awesome. So yeah. All right. Thank you very much.

00:46:25.540 So, okay guys. Yes, that was Tamara Leach. Remember Leach. It's not that hard, Dave,

00:46:31.380 but yes, in studio. And I hope we covered a lot of stuff. Like I said,

00:46:35.180 we don't want to retry everything. I just want to get to the talk about the people behind it.

00:46:39.100 They're real people. And that, you know, some of the, the, the awful treatment we see of people

00:46:43.680 on social media, when they become in the public sphere and anything controversial, even in the

00:46:47.520 slightest way. And this was of course, very controversial and it's just not principled.

00:46:53.180 It's not right. And it's not fair to drag people through the mud like that, to label them like

00:46:59.000 that. You can say they're wrong. You can disagree. You can agree and feel that they should be charged

00:47:04.400 and punished, but we've allowed it to get to such a crazed extent. I mean, we're talking about,

00:47:10.920 as Tamara was saying, as people say, I want you to die of old age in prison and you're a Nazi and 0.99

00:47:15.380 you're a racist and you're a, you know, just, there's no limit to it. And our mainstream media 1.00

00:47:20.880 fed it. You know, Tamara touched on that a little bit. Like this was really, this didn't come out

00:47:25.460 of nowhere. This was, came from what should be trusted sources of information. It's one thing

00:47:29.540 for some anonymous ding dong on Twitter with a name and a bunch of numbers behind it to say

00:47:33.680 something. But we had the CBC saying there was Russian money going to these guys. And we were

00:47:39.800 talking about the irony of all of the effort to try and create the rumor that these guys

00:47:44.540 were foreign funded when we've got a government that seems to be beholden to the communist

00:47:50.100 party of China. Maybe, you know, he does protest too much. So we've seen no evidence of, you know,

00:47:57.900 Putin again directing things during the convoy protests, but we certainly have some pretty

00:48:04.240 compelling looking evidence that there's a number of elected officials that owe their allegiance to

00:48:08.940 somebody other than Canada. Speaking of, you know, sedition or treason, maybe we should be getting to

00:48:15.560 the bottom of that. But this is still ongoing. This is not over. That's part of why I was happy

00:48:19.320 to have Tamara on as well. So people don't forget about it. She's still in legal limbo. She's still 1.00

00:48:24.600 battling this. And I'm shocked with how upbeat she is. I mean, I don't know, I'm more of a

00:48:29.920 inclined to being a stressed out basket case in general, I guess. But if I was sitting there

00:48:34.860 waiting on all this, this is court hearings and cases and everything, I'd be a mess. And I'm sure

00:48:40.080 of it. So she's holding up really well. And then we'll see what happens. And that was the first I

00:48:44.960 heard there's a book on the way. So I'm looking forward to that. I mean, I'm sure we get a lot of,

00:48:48.080 you know, expanded on what happened out there. Again, it was a really unique anyways, you know,

00:48:52.920 event and everything. And all things considered, as much as it maddened a lot of Ottawa residents

00:48:58.720 and things, I mean, as Tamara was saying, very, very peaceful. So, well, we'll see what comes of

00:49:06.180 it. All right, let's cover a few more news items while I'm here. And it's getting back to that,

00:49:09.460 you know, some of the, speaking of idiocy in parliaments, and there's always lots to dig 0.99

00:49:13.420 from, isn't there? This one was a neat one. MP says she's safe because she's Dutch. Yes, 0.99

00:49:19.160 this. This is a liberal MP, Anita van den Belt. And yeah, certainly very Dutch heritage there.

00:49:26.680 And she's basically saying, this is the roundabout liberal way of saying anybody

00:49:32.180 talking about the communist China infiltration of political officials is a racist. This is what

00:49:38.040 she's saying. So she's saying, as soon as you say someone's disloyal in this country,

00:49:40.940 we're working with foreign agents, you know, their lives are ruined. And she's saying,

00:49:44.880 basically, if we keep talking about this, we're ruining the lives of every politician of Asian

00:49:51.020 descent in Canada. That's kind of what she's saying. And she's saying, obviously, I'm not

00:49:54.720 working for China. That's her words. I'm Dutch. What if I was Chinese? She added, what if my

00:49:59.420 parents were Chinese? And I get so mad because I say it's the other way around. I know that the 1.00

00:50:04.700 vast majority of people of Chinese heritage or Asian heritage have absolutely nothing to do with

00:50:09.720 the Communist Party. In fact, they probably despise the Communist Party, or they're terrified

00:50:13.820 of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:50:15.740 And that's why we need this inquiry.

00:50:18.180 You want to bury it, you Dutch person. 1.00

00:50:21.820 Don't worry, I'm married to one.

00:50:22.920 I'm okay with Dutch folks in general.

00:50:24.840 But they need this inquiry to clear their names

00:50:28.280 because there are some intolerant people

00:50:30.260 looking out of the corner of their eye,

00:50:31.440 hmm, that person's of Asian heritage.

00:50:32.680 I wonder if maybe they're one of the ones

00:50:34.660 with the Chinese police station,

00:50:36.120 or I wonder if they got donations to their campaign

00:50:38.320 that were illegitimate or wrong

00:50:41.040 or from the Chinese government.

00:50:42.220 nobody knows we can't find out until we get a full inquiry and instead we got that dingbat of 0.90

00:50:50.100 a prime minister oh my special rapporteur already made up a a term of ridiculousness he's going to

00:50:55.980 appoint somebody to investigate him like i said and he's why is it taking this long even anyways

00:51:00.420 prime minister ding dong it's not that hard pick somebody you've got lots of family you like

00:51:04.520 employing get your mom margaret to head the thing up or you know um your brother because i mean it's

00:51:11.500 about as much as this thing is going to be worth. Let's see. What's this? See, here's some of the

00:51:21.880 talk. The Roland Lemeroux were taken down by lunatics. Leech is one of them creeps and 0.96

00:51:25.860 gangsters. Really, Roland? What the hell are you talking about? Where? Where are you getting this?

00:51:32.040 What's the point of this? What's the basis of this? Why? What did you see? I just, I don't know

00:51:39.880 worries that people go with things sometimes. Speaking of social media, here's looking at

00:51:43.580 things, you know, speaking of our just transition, right? That's one of the things they love talking

00:51:47.120 about. Rachel Notley, Justin Trudeau, we're going to transition everybody out of oil and gas, you

00:51:50.920 know, even though the world needs it more and more every day. We're going to go to tech jobs.

00:51:55.900 We're going to go to the work for all those tech companies. Well, Microsoft, Meta, and Twitter

00:52:03.080 laid off 155,000 workers last year. Yeah. So, you know, and it sounds like it's just announced

00:52:12.180 that Meta is going to lay off another 10,000. So wherever the transition is going to be going,

00:52:16.380 I don't think it's going to be going to social media giants. And this also ties into another

00:52:21.000 one of the idiotic things this government's doing with C18, which is where they want to put the 0.94

00:52:25.160 screws to Google and Meta and force them to pay companies to have links pop up on their thing. 0.98

00:52:31.480 they're saying, oh, these companies won't go away. Really? They're laying off tens of thousands,

00:52:35.900 hundreds of thousands of people. You think you can bleed them for more money? You think they're

00:52:39.460 going to put up with it? I don't think so. This is a battle you're going to lose, but you're going

00:52:43.140 to hurt a lot of independent media when you have that battle. And yes, it's independent,

00:52:46.880 independent media like us. And I know it's self-serving. It's what, you know, what we do

00:52:52.640 here at the standard, of course, but it's also for everybody else's sake. As we said, look at the

00:52:57.400 gross misinformation that came out during the convoy protests. I mean, the media embarrassed

00:53:03.080 themselves. They really did. They so eagerly grasped onto misinformation about the convoy.

00:53:09.820 I mean, you could, I mean, I write columns all the time. I put my opinion out there. I make my

00:53:14.640 case on things. And if I wanted to play devil's advocate, I mean, I supported the convoy. But if

00:53:19.120 I wanted to play devil's advocate and oppose it, I could have written a lot of pieces as to why

00:53:24.500 that protest should be shut down and made a number of points. But I wouldn't, you know,

00:53:31.700 make things up. I wouldn't claim they had firearms. I wouldn't claim they had Russian

00:53:35.080 funding. I wouldn't need to. Roland says, okay, then book delay. Well, Roland, clearly you're

00:53:41.440 not writing a book anytime soon. So yes, yes, she's going to put out a book and I guess we'll

00:53:47.640 get to expand on and hear more about what happened there and everything. And, you know, I guess,

00:53:53.260 Yes, she's written a book.

00:53:54.780 That means she must be dishonest. 0.83

00:53:56.840 I don't know.

00:53:59.600 Let's see.

00:54:00.320 Here's another thing.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, Finance Minister Christia Freeland.

00:54:02.600 We're not hearing much from Minister Tweak lately, but she's still back there.

00:54:05.920 And she says, must close the growing income gap, is what she was told by Commons Finance Committee.

00:54:11.760 This gets scary.

00:54:12.780 And, of course, the way they say to do it is to raise taxes.

00:54:16.400 Well, if you're closing the income gap through taxes, in other words, we're talking about socialism.

00:54:20.200 You talk about ripping down the successful and bringing them to the level of the less successful.

00:54:24.820 Because you can't bring the less successful up.

00:54:28.100 Socialism, again, is the equal distribution of poverty.

00:54:32.520 And the liberal government is more than happy to indulge in it.

00:54:35.960 So that's what's been suggested by committee.

00:54:37.660 It's going to be an interesting budget coming at the end of the month,

00:54:39.520 if the Trudeau government's still standing at that point.

00:54:43.540 Here's another beauty. 0.90

00:54:44.680 Museums are too colonial and must educate Canadians on climate change, equity, diversity, inclusion.

00:54:50.200 You know what? I won't go to your museums. I won't. It's garbage. It's crap. That's not what they're for. They're there to give us displays of history and things, whether it's the good history, the bad history. Take your colonial crap and stuff it somewhere deep and dark, you guys. This is garbage. But this is the whole report renewal of the Canadian museum policy. Museums are a part of the colonial legacy. What the hell are you talking about? What are you talking about? Why? Because they document the time when Canada actually was being colonial?

00:55:20.200 colonized, colonialized. There's something else. Yeah, that note, I threw it on Twitter. I see

00:55:25.860 it's in my head. I'm getting a colonoscopy next week. Something to look forward to. They won't

00:55:29.400 let me live stream it. So you guys are all lucky enough, but maybe I'll give you some graphic

00:55:32.900 descriptions of it later. But maybe that's part of those mispronunciations going on with things.

00:55:36.800 Anyway, this is bad. And, and, uh, so cabinets ordered revisions to the 1990 Museum policy,

00:55:41.780 and, uh, they're going to be, uh, I guess decolonializing them. I I'm not going to bother,

00:55:49.340 and I'm sure a lot more people. It's the same as the mainstream media when they expose themselves

00:55:52.640 as woke or biased or unreliable. People stop listening to them. And I tell you what, when you

00:55:57.580 take all these museums and you turn them into this vanilla woke crap, people just won't go. 0.84

00:56:02.620 And they all fall to the wayside. And it's a joke. But I mean, we're in a joke in a lot of ways. 0.94

00:56:08.820 Speaking again, the corruption, I'm going through my new scroll here. Trade Minister Mary Ng,

00:56:12.800 you got to remember, she was already gotten trouble. And Vashi Capello really held her to

00:56:18.120 task in a fantastic interview. Give a credit

00:56:20.060 mainstream when they do, because they have been

00:56:22.140 doing great, you know, with global and global

00:56:24.040 mail, at least on this Chinese communist thing. They've

00:56:26.060 been hitting hard. And she will not

00:56:28.060 comment now. This minister

00:56:30.240 gave a plum

00:56:31.880 contract to a friend, and when she got stung for it,

00:56:34.020 I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to do that. Come on.

00:56:36.940 You know what inside dealing

00:56:38.000 is. But it turns out she's got,

00:56:40.380 she won't comment on her association with a group.

00:56:43.320 One parliamentary

00:56:44.140 witness named is a communist party front.

00:56:46.400 Yeah. Well,

00:56:48.120 you know, if you want your name cleared, let's have an inquiry, Missing. Yeah, so here's the

00:56:55.900 news item that Tamara mentioned a little bit. Yeah, there's a lawsuit going after the organizers 0.96

00:56:59.560 of the protest, and they're going to try and seek at least $290 million in damages. I mean,

00:57:04.040 this is just ambulance chasers. You know, Roland thinks writing a book's a bad thing. Oh, whatever.

00:57:08.540 You want to see the real parasites? Look at those class action lawyers that get out there. They 0.97

00:57:11.740 smell a little money. Again, this is a blood from a stone thing. I don't know where they're going

00:57:14.960 to get it from. Everything was seized. Everything was taken. There's no money to take. So I guess

00:57:19.860 they just want to go after and try and bankrupt these people retroactively. A waste of time and

00:57:24.620 effort. All right. Well, that kind of covers a lot of what I wanted to cover this week, guys.

00:57:29.920 This was a good show. It was great to have Tamara in, like I said. Make sure, keep tuning in, guys. 0.70

00:57:36.040 I'm going to have another good show next week. And we'll have the pipeline on tonight at seven

00:57:40.720 o'clock, we'll run down a few more of the big issues going on in Alberta and in Canada. And

00:57:46.540 yeah, see you all again next week.

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Western Standard - March 16, 2023

CMS： Alberta’s recall legislation is an insulting joke

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