Western Standard - CMS： Just the tip.

00:00:00.000 Good day

00:00:29.980 It is, what is it again? It's February 22nd, 2023. Where all the years go. Welcome to the

00:00:35.280 Corey Morgan Show. As per the name of the show, I am Corey Morgan. This is the Western Standards

00:00:40.360 Live weekly thing where I speak to guests, I rant, I rave, I cover news items, and we interact.

00:00:48.280 I just want to remind everybody, use that comment scroll, maybe not necessarily to plug other links

00:00:53.760 to watch, but to, you know, chat with each other, send questions my way, send questions at each

00:01:00.300 other. Just keep it civil, of course, all the time. I mean, you know, it can be a little bit

00:01:03.940 tasteless. Lord knows I am quite often, but we don't have to be at each other's throats. We can

00:01:09.420 have a good productive time here for this show. I got a good guest coming up in a while here. It's

00:01:13.980 Professor Tom Flanagan. Some people are probably familiar with him in conservative circles. You

00:01:18.280 know, he was a strong advisor for Prime Minister Stephen Harper. He'd written a number of books,

00:01:22.320 one of which was called First Nations Second Thoughts.

00:01:25.220 He's very much studied on First Nation issues and things like that.

00:01:29.100 We've had it before.

00:01:30.220 And, of course, it just seems now it's almost weekly.

00:01:32.400 I mean, when we booked Professor Flanagan to talk about this,

00:01:35.460 there had been a recent discovery, I guess you could say,

00:01:39.560 of GPR anomalies on a residential school site.

00:01:42.040 And even since then, yet another one has popped up.

00:01:44.800 So, you know, we want to discuss that a little.

00:01:46.180 I mean, where is this going to go?

00:01:47.540 When are we ever going to see an end to this?

00:01:49.100 Is there going to be resolution?

00:01:50.160 Is there going to be investigation?

00:01:50.940 So I'm looking forward to that conversation. And of course, lots of other, uh, uh, rants and news

00:01:57.220 items. So good to see y'all checking in there. David, Lisa are all the way out from Nova Scotia,

00:02:01.300 Patricia up there in Chauvin, Shelly and Edmonton and, uh, Lorna and Tracy, all you guys checking

00:02:07.380 in. I like seeing that. I like knowing there's actually people on the other end watching. It's

00:02:10.400 not just me talking to myself as I do when I drive and such. So if you're from out of the 0.98

00:02:15.000 province, you might not know, but it is cold as balls in Alberta right now. That was terrible.

00:02:18.600 and I'm cheap. I walk a long ways in here to avoid paying too much for parking, but man,

00:02:25.060 it's chilly. Times like this, I do feel, you know, we talk about that a lot. Arthur Green,

00:02:30.660 you know, our reporter up in Edmonton and Jonathan Bradley here in Calgary, and they've been covering

00:02:34.440 a lot with how things have been getting bad and out of control for our homeless population,

00:02:39.800 our addicts, because they're overwhelming and getting onto our transit systems and

00:02:44.300 and it's causing a lot of problems and things. And times like now, we're going to see it. We're

00:02:50.360 going to see it because a lot of the addicts end up retreating onto the trains and into the stations

00:02:56.360 to get warm. And we're going to see security somewhere kicking them out and everybody's going

00:03:01.440 to scream and howl and go bananas about it. Happens every cold snap. And it'll happen again

00:03:06.400 this time. What has to be kept in mind, and I don't know, I can't speak for Edmonton, but I'm

00:03:10.820 sure it's similar. In Calgary, we have shuttles. We actually have shuttles that will pick them up

00:03:15.460 and take them to a heated center. There's not a matter of people say, oh, they have no choice.

00:03:20.740 You know, they got to stay warm. Well, they do have to stay warm. And I do feel for them. I can't

00:03:23.620 imagine how horrible it is for those addicts out there right now in this weather. But they don't

00:03:28.220 belong in the damn train. They don't. It's not where they are. You know, people trying to ride 1.00

00:03:32.260 to work, people trying to commute and having to deal with that. And they aren't just being thrown

00:03:36.140 out into the cold. So if you see those videos, don't, they don't do that. I mean, they throw

00:03:40.640 them off the train, yes, well, remove them, throw on them. And there are centers. Part of the problem

00:03:45.660 with homeless centers, the reason they don't want to go is they can't shoot up in them. They can't

00:03:49.380 smoke their meth in them. They can't be wasted in them. That's the problem. That's the issue they

00:03:53.940 have. And that's where a lot of the misplaced sympathy starts coming around too. We keep

00:04:00.580 talking about the unhoused and the vulnerable and they certainly are, but let's call it what it is.

00:04:06.220 the vast majority of them with the problem are addicts. They're not somebody who fell through

00:04:10.780 the cracks. They're not there because I love seeing constant articles, rising rents or what

00:04:16.040 are causing homelessness. Well, they contribute, but come on, are you really telling me that that

00:04:21.360 person walking up and down on the curb, holding the sign covered with, you know, pockmarks from

00:04:26.560 the meth he's been smoking? How low would rent have to get before that gentleman is ready to

00:04:33.320 move into a house come on the problem is the addiction the addiction and that's what we got

00:04:37.560 to focus on good news on that front too i guess it's it's campaign style but it's continuing the

00:04:41.700 theme in alberta uh premier smith and the health minister have been announcing massive increases

00:04:47.260 in the funding for more treatment more mental health supports things like that they're addressing

00:04:51.540 the problem rent is a problem but it's not the problem uh making these folks homeless okay i

00:04:56.760 digress from my other rant unfortunately our news editor dave naylor won't be making it in for his

00:05:02.100 check-in today. He's loafing around his house, sipping on some sort of licensed product, I'm

00:05:08.580 sure, or another. So he's gotten out of it today. So it's just all me and later on a little bit of

00:05:13.640 Professor Flanagan. So I'm going to talk about, though, what's got me ranting today. And that's

00:05:18.480 about tipping. And tipping's been a part of North American culture for generations. And now and then

00:05:23.860 we hear of some movement or another calling for an end to the practice. But it never really would

00:05:29.120 go anywhere. Something's changed in the last few years, though. I mean, tipping has expanded into

00:05:33.460 non-traditional industries, and the amounts being asked are growing. And consumers, they're starting

00:05:37.580 to feel picked clean, and they're right. I mean, prices for everything are rising, and we can't

00:05:41.480 afford to top up every purchase price for a product with a 15 to 25% tip. It's one thing to leave a

00:05:47.420 tip for a server after spending an hour or two at a restaurant, quite another to expect a tip for a

00:05:51.740 retail purchase. Now I'm going to offer a recent and somewhat embarrassing personal example. This

00:05:56.640 Just last week I went to a specialty bakery in Calgary to buy some keto diet items.

00:06:01.460 I won't bother saying which bakery, there's a few of them around there.

00:06:05.080 This bakery though had signs plastered on their outside door and all over their walls

00:06:08.820 bragging about how they're a living wage employer.

00:06:11.400 Again, whatever, I shrugged and entered, I mean it's their business, what they want

00:06:14.360 to pay their employees is up to them.

00:06:15.960 I quickly of course got to see what comes with the living wage when I picked up a loaf

00:06:20.880 of bread and took it to the counter and was charged an eye-popping $16. 0.99

00:06:24.960 I knew keto was going to be expensive, but holy crap. I guess it's because they're paying every 0.94

00:06:29.340 retail clerk $20 an hour or 22 or whatever they're determining a living wage is these days. Either

00:06:34.260 way, I gulped, but decided to purchase the bread and get the hell out of there anyways. That's the

00:06:38.700 first embarrassment. I should have just stopped my purchase when I saw the price. When I was handed

00:06:44.040 the payment pad though, then the all too common prompts for tips were on the screen with the

00:06:48.320 lowest of them being 15%. I mean, what the hell did the bored kid sitting behind the counter do

00:06:53.220 to earn a tip. Thought I'll show him. I chose the manual option and only left a $1 tip. Yeah, 0.52

00:06:58.580 that's the second embarrassment. If it bothered me, why did I tip at all? We were so conditioned

00:07:03.460 to tip. I felt almost shamed into leaving at least a little something. And it's a ridiculous notion,

00:07:08.480 and I should know better. I hope I learned something there. Now, businesses that didn't 0.92

00:07:13.000 traditionally command tips in the past have been using the option of those payment pads to try and

00:07:16.960 supplement their staff wages with it. It helps them reduce a little of the sticker shock, I guess,

00:07:21.400 with customers as the inflation forces them to raise prices too, but it's a disingenuous way to

00:07:25.580 go about it. And those payment machines make it easy to slip the tips in as an option without

00:07:29.920 actually asking for them. I even heard of somebody being prompted for a tip for an item they ordered

00:07:34.200 online. I mean, you're just talking to a computer service at that point. It's getting ridiculous.

00:07:38.920 Tipping needs to be reined in, but I don't want to see it eliminated, as some people have called for.

00:07:43.240 It's just crept into the wrong businesses, and consumers need to stop indulging them. And yes,

00:07:48.080 I'm guilty of that. I did it. In some service-based industries, though, tipping should

00:07:52.480 remain. I mean, I look at tipping as something that should be considered if the person has had

00:07:56.620 extended direct experience with the service provider. And in that, I mean with a few examples,

00:08:01.780 like in a restaurant with a bar server or a bartender who communicates, converses, and serves

00:08:06.300 a table for periods that could last hours. Or a bartender who listens to a person laying out the

00:08:10.420 challenges of their lives and lends a sympathetic ear. I did that. I was a bartender. But you know,

00:08:14.840 an industry secret. The bartender usually doesn't really care. And the stripper doesn't really have 0.99

00:08:19.640 a crush on you. But all the same, throw your tips out there, guys. They're doing something above and

00:08:25.140 beyond just serving you a drink or offering a lap dance or whatever else. A tour guy, you know,

00:08:29.640 spends an afternoon showing sights and narrating behind him. A cab driver, conversation online,

00:08:34.320 you know, on a ride, lends tips for local attractions. You see the theme though, right?

00:08:38.420 A tip is for interaction and only when the interaction goes above and beyond the basic

00:08:41.980 service. A tipping is the ultimate form of merit pay. I mean, the consumer's in full control. You

00:08:47.440 can directly influence the compensation of the person who is offering the service and incentivizes

00:08:52.360 the worker to do as good a job as possible. When I owned a pub, it was easy to see which servers

00:08:57.140 and bartenders gave the best services. Some consistently brought in as much as 20 to 30%

00:09:02.080 more in tips than other workers. And the formula's pretty simple. Just be friendly, attentive, and

00:09:06.380 polite. Harder than one would think with some servers, though, especially as an owner, you find

00:09:11.280 out. But it gave me as an owner a visible measure who gave the customers the best service.

00:09:15.620 And it ensured, I of course worked harder to make sure those servers got as many prime shifts as

00:09:19.240 possible. The customers won, the ambitious servers won, and I as an owner won. Well, many restaurants

00:09:24.760 they've tried to go with tip-free models and it always fails. Earl's in Calgary tried it a few

00:09:29.100 years ago and it only lasted a few months. I mean, while they paid a much bigger hourly rate to the

00:09:34.060 servers to compensate for the lack of tips, the ambitious servers said to hell with this and they

00:09:38.000 quit and went to restaurants where they could earn tips. They wanted to get the better, work

00:09:42.340 harder and make the money. The servers who remain, of course, were those who preferred to just sit

00:09:46.680 about and take an hourly wage. So service levels went down while the prices shot up. The restaurant

00:09:51.700 had to return to the old way and fast because the consumers, of course, fled. People like to point

00:09:56.060 out tipping isn't the standard in some other countries, and that's true. But in my travel

00:10:00.100 experience, I found that the service drops as well. And I was in Australia a while back, for

00:10:04.380 example. And unless you're in a formal and expensive restaurant, well, you have to go to

00:10:08.080 a window, order and pay and then get a little number. And then you sit at their table. Then

00:10:11.960 they call your number and you go and get your food. Meanwhile, you go to another lineup and

00:10:15.080 you go and you pay and you get your drink. And if you drink multiple drinks, you got to go multiple

00:10:17.980 times and the prices are high. You know what? I'd rather tip and have table service. That's why I

00:10:23.320 went out. I really missed that while I was down there. If I can do nothing but self-service,

00:10:26.480 I might as well just get takeout and go home. The only way to change the trend in tipping for

00:10:30.740 consumers, though, is you've got to put your feet in your wallets down on the issue. Refuse to tip

00:10:35.060 for retail services and only tip in the traditional industries. We can't get the government in on

00:10:38.480 banning tipping, and it's well out of their role anyway. Who are they to tell me who I can give my

00:10:41.740 own money to? We have let the practice of tipping spread too far, but it's up to us to bring it back

00:10:47.060 where it belongs. And I'm going to check myself before habitually tipping from here on in. And

00:10:51.920 yes, I sure as hell won't be spending $16 on a loaf of sourdough bread as well. So last week was

00:10:56.180 a good learning week for me, guys. And those are my thoughts on the tipping. We're seeing more of

00:10:59.600 and yeah, you know, we can correct it. It is up to us. You know, so many, this is the difference

00:11:04.340 between us as conservatives and others as liberals. Okay. The, the, the, the tipping's got out of

00:11:08.300 control. The asks, they're annoying, but I don't want the government to step in and fix it for me.

00:11:13.240 We have to do it ourselves and we can, we can, we just got to say, what, dude, I'm just paying for

00:11:18.660 a loaf of bread. I'm not giving you a tip. Uh, likewise, you know, for whatever else you're

00:11:22.180 doing. So, uh, yeah, I'm just going to see through the comments here. Uh, Darren saying,

00:11:27.980 pay cash and cash only. That was one more thing in that place. They wouldn't take cash. It was a

00:11:32.920 big sign up saying, oh, for the health of our workers. It was a really weird, woke little spot,

00:11:36.720 this bakery I waited to. And I won't again. Hey, power to them if they get their little market. 0.78

00:11:42.160 They can do what they want. But Darren's saying, why are you tipping for self-serve? Yeah, I know.

00:11:48.280 That's what I said. I'm admitting error here, okay? It was embarrassing. I shouldn't have.

00:11:53.460 uh, Saxon-Riverston saying some restaurants want 18%. Yeah. I mean, that's part of it too.

00:11:59.260 Um, is I mean, the prompts, they start at 15. Like I remember way back when I started going

00:12:04.220 to restaurants when I was young and GST back then was 7%. The easy formula, a lot of people

00:12:07.860 said for tipping typically was double the GST, gave 14 to 15% a tip on something. So if you

00:12:12.880 mentally do math that hard, you see the GST of the bill. Now, I mean, 15 is the minimum.

00:12:18.220 Uh, Tracy taught and say service gone downhill as tipping keeps going up. Well, I don't know.

00:12:22.100 That depends. That's place by place, I think, you know, but in some areas, yeah, it still goes downhill, even as it goes up.

00:12:29.600 Laurie Ann's saying Milton Truckstop has them. Yeah, you know, like, seriously, unless there's an interaction.

00:12:36.820 And like I said, that's a little different. If somebody's giving you a pedicure for half an hour, I've never had one.

00:12:41.680 But I mean, I imagine it's an involved thing in some social interaction. That's where it comes in, you know, or even, you know, bellhops.

00:12:49.800 I mean, there's a little bit of a different thing in the old fancy hotels.

00:12:52.580 If you went in, you better make sure that that bellhop gets a good tip, but then you'll

00:12:56.040 also ensure you're going to get fast service for things from there on in too.

00:12:59.140 I mean, just as another thing to point out as somebody who was in the industry for quite

00:13:02.900 a while as a restaurant owner, I was only five years, but felt a lot longer.

00:13:08.420 We do remember the good and bad tippers.

00:13:10.120 And it's not like we'll go out of our way not to serve the ones who are bad tippers,

00:13:14.240 but you're going to be more attentive with the ones you know were good ones.

00:13:17.920 It does happen.

00:13:19.800 especially on a busy night when you're really scrambling and you're walking and you know that

00:13:23.420 that person snapping their fingers over there who never tips you, wants their fifth supplemental

00:13:28.340 order of ranch whilst the person over there needs another beer. I'm going to not see the one who

00:13:33.340 needed the ranch and I will hustle to the one who tips and wants the beer. Just makes your experience

00:13:37.420 a little better. And yeah, tipping based on the cost of food doesn't seem like a level playing

00:13:44.440 filled for servers working at lower or moderately priced restaurants? Well, again, it's up to you.

00:13:49.120 It's up to you. You know, you can go lower. The difference on the high-end restaurants,

00:13:54.440 for example, you know, if we want to talk about is typically anyways, typically, and no, not every

00:13:59.240 restaurant's going to do it wisely that way, but you're going to have a lot fewer tables per server

00:14:06.380 because you want to give better service. You're not going to give a server 10 tables in a high-end

00:14:10.860 restaurant because people are going to get pretty upset when you're going to end up with a four

00:14:14.320 person table and their bills going to be into, you know, the hundreds of dollars, they don't want to

00:14:19.980 be looking at empty drink glasses and plates finished and sitting in front of them for too

00:14:25.380 long. And that restaurant is going to go down fast because when people when you pay for the extra

00:14:30.220 and the better place, you typically again, if they know that's the business model are going to get a

00:14:36.980 better service. Plus the larger, so that person, that server is not, is counting on a larger tip

00:14:41.300 because they aren't getting as many tables to turn over. Also, most restaurants, not all,

00:14:45.660 will have a tip out system. So part of that does go to the back. We did that at our place. Every

00:14:49.620 server, when they finished their night, had to give a portion of their tips and it would go

00:14:53.040 towards everybody from the dishwasher to the cook and so on. Sometimes it goes to management. It

00:14:57.140 didn't in our place. Either way, I'm just saying, you know, we can knee jerk and some people saying,

00:15:01.200 you know, we got to end tipping altogether. And no, I don't think so. We just got to get it kind

00:15:04.520 back to where it belonged. And yeah, they're asking too much in a lot of cases. 30%? Come on.

00:15:10.520 I mean, I need a neck massage with my meal for that. It's just not going to happen. All right,

00:15:15.820 let's get off that and get on to a little bit of other stuff. I see we got a cancel crowd planning

00:15:19.860 to protest Jordan Peterson. He's been on tour. We'll see if they actually come out. You know,

00:15:25.000 they like to top big and deliver low. We saw that in Ottawa when all of these groups were saying,

00:15:31.580 oh, we're going to come out and protest Peterson. And guess what? Not a single one of them did.

00:15:34.520 but this Sunday

00:15:36.900 it's going to be in Calgary at the Jubilee Auditorium

00:15:38.920 so hey, buy tickets, get out there

00:15:40.040 because that's what I like to push back on it too

00:15:41.980 they have the right to protest and whine and complain

00:15:44.200 because Peterson's going to speak to people

00:15:46.380 but I have the right to

00:15:48.700 promote and say hey guys, get out there

00:15:50.480 buy a ticket and take it in

00:15:51.620 let's use the

00:15:53.880 straysand effect for people who aren't familiar with

00:15:55.940 it's usually just when something happens

00:15:57.680 and protesters or opposition actually bring more attention

00:16:00.140 to whatever it was in the first place

00:16:01.780 well, let's make more attention

00:16:03.540 Let's make sure that thing sells out because Peterson, he has some great stuff to say.

00:16:08.960 All right.

00:16:09.620 Little side notes.

00:16:10.340 I saw this story pop up from Arthur.

00:16:12.040 You know, we've been hearing all that stuff.

00:16:13.040 Every year, the thing comes out about baby names, you know, whose babies were named this

00:16:18.180 and that every year, whatever.

00:16:19.800 I mean, at my age and due to a number of physiological things, I don't have to worry

00:16:23.300 about naming babies again ever.

00:16:25.020 But it is kind of interesting in a trivial way to see what names are topping the list.

00:16:29.760 I guess Noah has been for a long time and Olivia.

00:16:32.700 But something else that's, oh, just a side note.

00:16:34.640 Linda Gibson says that Peterson's thing is sold out.

00:16:37.240 Okay, well, that's good to hear.

00:16:38.600 And he's coming back in May, by the way.

00:16:40.280 So, you know, even if you can't get tickets for that,

00:16:42.620 you can always go there just to thumb your nose at the counter protest

00:16:44.980 if you've got nothing better to do on a Sunday.

00:16:46.600 But good to get the update.

00:16:48.460 All right, either way, another side note that apparently not a single child,

00:16:52.040 though, in Alberta, thousands and thousands were born,

00:16:54.060 not a single one was named Karen.

00:16:55.900 Now, that's a shame.

00:16:58.120 It really is.

00:16:59.180 I mean, you know, there's nothing wrong with that name.

00:17:00.820 In fact, the mother of my first son was named Karen.

00:17:03.700 It's a fine name.

00:17:05.060 And unfortunately, internet memes and, you know, new ways of speaking about things have actually managed to completely ruin a name.

00:17:14.000 It's taken it out of use.

00:17:16.020 I think it's going to take a generation before we start seeing people named Karen again.

00:17:19.920 You know, again, what can you do about it?

00:17:21.640 I don't know.

00:17:22.660 There's probably nothing you can do about it.

00:17:24.420 I mean, it all started with those little memes.

00:17:25.920 It was usually a pet and a person, you know, and the pet saying, hey, okay, Karen, you know, do this and stuff like that.

00:17:30.360 It was funny stuff. But either way, the backlash has actually gotten to the point

00:17:33.880 where nobody is naming their children Karen any longer. The name Karen has been killed by the

00:17:40.880 internet. And it's going to be very rare to see anybody 20 years from now, you know, who's young

00:17:46.720 named Karen. I wonder what names are going to be ruined next, you know, just like you don't see

00:17:53.000 anybody named Adolf anymore. But I mean, Karen's didn't do anything nearly as terribly bad as a

00:17:57.160 historical Adolf did. But, you know, the internet can take things and change them in our perceptions.

00:18:02.940 I just find it as a pop trivia sort of noteworthy thing with that odd, I guess, side effect of the

00:18:10.340 Karen thing. Let's see, I'm going to just nag folks too. We should be getting to guest time 1.00

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00:19:21.860 all right let's see you know another new story we're going to talk a little bit about this in

00:19:25.340 the pipeline which is another one of our shows we're going to do a little later but this was

00:19:28.960 an incident you know we'll see what happens as details emerge with it and things uh halton

00:19:34.000 region police charged a milton ontario resident to alley me in with second degree murder after

00:19:38.900 he allegedly killed a robber who uh broke into his home now uh this is getting um

00:19:45.340 you're automatically charged with murder

00:19:52.320 if you defend your home with a firearm. That's the way it goes. It doesn't matter what the

00:19:55.680 circumstances. We don't know the circumstances with this one. There could be some more to it

00:19:59.240 and things like that. But you were guilty until proven innocent when it comes to defending your

00:20:03.060 home with a firearm. And that's a real problem. I mean, we saw that with Eddie Maurice. We saw it

00:20:08.040 with Roland Stanley. There was another Ontario case a while back. And all three of those guys

00:20:12.260 eventually had charges dropped or were acquitted by juries. Because when it's put to people with 1.00

00:20:16.260 common sense, they say, no, you had the right to do that. But in the meantime, you were charged

00:20:20.840 and you have to run the gauntlet and deal with that and defend yourself, sometimes at great

00:20:27.480 expense and under a great deal of stress. And well, here's yet another case. So it's gonna be

00:20:32.420 interesting to see where it goes as the evidence comes out. But I mean, how many times have we got

00:20:36.260 to put it to juries? Because you don't want to put it to a judge because they're often liberal

00:20:38.900 appointed and they'll just convict you. But juries, when it's your peers, and that's the point

00:20:42.740 of it, can look at those and say, you know what, I would have done the same thing. That's why it's

00:20:46.440 your peers. And it's, you know, that's why they say, well, no, I would have done the same thing.

00:20:53.140 You can go free. As Darren Bailey says, if you defend yourself in Canada, you're the criminal.

00:20:57.620 You're supposed to simply die. Almost, you know, I mean, I remember the term I was using over the

00:21:01.780 whole Eddie Maurice thing when that was going on. He was a young man who defended his family. He

00:21:05.700 he just wounded the fellow and went through months and months of court and he was arrested

00:21:08.920 and a bunch of things. And the way the police were telling you is you're supposed to dial,

00:21:12.160 cower, and pray. If somebody's coming into your rural property, even though the police

00:21:15.020 acknowledge it in my area, because that's right, Maurice, we're in the same county down there,

00:21:19.560 40-minute response times for police on average. So if you've got a violent criminal coming up to

00:21:24.040 your doorstep, call 911, lock the door, hope they don't break in, and then curl up in a ball and

00:21:29.960 pray that the police will get there on time. Or you can defend yourself and deal with the courts

00:21:37.100 later. Like the old saying, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. Now, the other part I

00:21:45.180 don't agree with Darren on those is restaurants that required proof of vaccination, you have to

00:21:48.460 boycott them. Well, you know what? That was almost all of them. They had no choice. They had no

00:21:53.820 choice. Take it out on the government. Take it out on the legislation. Absolutely. Oh, I'm just

00:22:00.780 seeing, I've just got to send a link to Professor Flanagan here. So bear with me as I move this

00:22:07.740 around. He says he didn't get it. So I must have miss sent it. So pardon me, guys. I'm just babbling

00:22:13.980 here, but we don't want to miss out on our guest. At least I know why he's not here. And hopefully

00:22:18.620 he'll be here really soon. I'll get it again. Come on, paste. Nothing was slower than when you

00:22:24.220 got something like this going on, right? No, that didn't work. There we go. No, now we're pasted

00:22:27.840 twice. Canadian Shooting Sports Association. Without the CSSA, our gun rights would have been

00:22:32.700 taken long, long ago. These guys are on the front lines, helping to draft smart and intelligent

00:22:39.180 firearms regulations and legislation in Canada. And more importantly, educating the public about

00:22:45.220 how we keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people to become a member. It's absolutely worth

00:22:50.100 every penny. Okay, one of those emergency commercial breaks. And hey, the CSSA, it was

00:22:57.200 a good segue. Anyways, we were talking about self-defense and rights like that. And that is

00:23:01.380 a group that stands up for your rights to own a firearm, whether, you know, not just for self-defense,

00:23:06.000 but for sporting use, whether it's target shooting, duck hunting, whatever you might want it to be.

00:23:12.940 Getting back to the restaurants, like I was talking about, yes, Gene, it wasn't me who thought of that.

00:23:17.240 Actually, it was Nico who was quicker on the ball going to commercial.

00:23:21.280 But restaurants, okay, on average, your restaurant's running on a 5% margin.

00:23:25.880 If you lose your liquor license, you're out of business.

00:23:28.460 If the health inspector pulls your license, you're out of business.

00:23:31.360 Most restaurant owners don't have a big amount of money to be able to keep getting by.

00:23:36.840 And a lot of them, like I look at Benny's in Calgary.

00:23:39.800 I went there, by the way, and I'll give them nothing but plugs.

00:23:42.400 They stood up, they tried, they pushed back against the vaccine passports.

00:23:47.440 In the end, though, they had to relent.

00:23:49.060 He had to pay his bills.

00:23:50.200 He had to open.

00:23:51.600 But at least he spoke up.

00:23:52.680 He did more than a lot of others.

00:23:53.880 And so would you boycott him?

00:23:56.680 Because that's what you're saying.

00:23:57.620 Because he did end up putting the vax passport thing in.

00:23:59.680 Because his only other choice was to go bankrupt.

00:24:02.100 Get angry at the state and the government who put the gun to the head of these restaurants.

00:24:10.420 or likewise, is Darren's upset with his church

00:24:13.300 because of doing that?

00:24:14.440 Okay, fine.

00:24:15.680 But you're not, you're punishing the victim

00:24:18.780 in my view, in that case.

00:24:21.160 But I mean, you're voting with your feet.

00:24:22.480 And by all means, that's what I always recommend

00:24:26.200 for people on items and issues.

00:24:27.600 But I just, you know, don't agree with you on that one.

00:24:30.480 But we don't always have to agree.

00:24:31.740 Okay, we've got Professor Flanagan there on deck.

00:24:34.540 We'll bring him in.

00:24:35.420 We've got that link out there properly

00:24:37.220 because I've been looking forward to this discussion.

00:24:38.760 So let's get them on in here and we will discuss, well, a nice, simple issue of residential school sites and possible burials on them.

00:24:52.460 So, yes, there we go.

00:24:54.760 We'll just kind of center the cameras there.

00:24:56.520 Hello.

00:24:57.060 Sorry about the link confusion there, Mr. Flanagan.

00:24:59.980 Hi, Corey.

00:25:01.100 It's good to have you on.

00:25:03.180 Something I said very earlier in the show, I kind of framed it before we brought you in,

00:25:06.900 When we first booked you, which was a while back, it was based on which reserve that was,

00:25:14.020 one of the ones, Star Blanket, announcing that they'd found a bunch of anomalies with their GPR.

00:25:18.840 And even since then, yet another one up in the Port Alberni, B.C. area now is reporting the same thing.

00:25:23.180 Like, this issue is just going on and on and on, but there doesn't seem to be any resolution going on.

00:25:29.100 Excuse me a second.

00:25:30.060 I think my camera is tilted.

00:25:31.960 Ah, that's all right.

00:25:32.560 It looked like I was having a liquid lunch or something, but I'm not.

00:25:35.860 they just let's try it again with i move my camera on my set yeah well you're well centered now yeah

00:25:41.540 um yeah well this has happened now in seven or eight different uh um first nations around the

00:25:49.220 country and will will happen at more because the uh federal government has appropriated a large

00:25:55.220 amount of money for this kind of searching and so um bands are taking taking advantage of it

00:26:02.980 to hire somebody to push ground penetrating radar around it's more than that they also

00:26:08.980 will hire some of their own people to go do sort of oral history projects talking to

00:26:15.860 to members about their memories or perhaps what they have heard about residential schools so it

00:26:23.220 becomes a fairly major effort engaging a lot of people so anyway you're going to hear more stories

00:26:28.340 like that for sure. Yeah, well, and oral history, I mean, that's kind of a whole loaded realm on

00:26:33.540 its own. I mean, I understand wanting to give some weight to oral history. You have a culture

00:26:39.720 that's been around that didn't have a written language, so you had to rely on things being

00:26:45.380 passed down. But all the same, we have to recognize and understand that oral history is also

00:26:49.780 notoriously inaccurate at times. And to base something as serious as this on just the oral

00:26:55.880 history, I mean, we need much deeper investigation into some of the things that have been alleged.

00:26:59.140 Yeah, I think we can use our court system as an example. Oral testimony is

00:27:05.540 admitted all the time in the form of eyewitness testimony. And even some forms of hearsay

00:27:15.060 evidence are admitted if it's expert testimony, for example, scientist or whatever. But

00:27:20.820 um oral history in the court proceeding is always subject to testing first of all there's a

00:27:28.420 possibility of cross-examination uh by counsel for the other side and then there is introduction of

00:27:35.220 other kinds of evidence to compare against oral evidence other kinds of evidence would be for

00:27:40.340 example written documents uh in the case of of ancient events you might have archaeological

00:27:46.980 evidence uh even linguistic evidence about language change can give you ideas about movement

00:27:53.940 of people so there are many kinds of evidence and what what our courts do is admit oral evidence but

00:27:59.860 triangulated against others and i think that's what we should be doing here if there may be

00:28:04.900 something to these oral accounts that are being gathered but until they're subject to corroboration

00:28:10.820 and maybe even against other oral accounts uh this is another part of it you know you have

00:28:15.860 in a court proceeding you have a witness for one side you have a witness for another side maybe

00:28:19.380 they saw different things or you know don't remember it differently so you've got to do

00:28:23.380 all this triangulation and that's what's not being done at the present time no and as you'd said i

00:28:30.260 mean that explains a lot of it i mean when people have a means to make money they've kind of created

00:28:34.180 a cottage industry it was a large amount put out just for gpr surveys and things such as that and

00:28:38.980 i guess people can't necessarily even be faulted for taking advantage of the program but you know

00:28:43.380 know, getting to the truth of things, I kind of want to come around back and a bit with the oral 1.00

00:28:46.740 history and the Kamloops residential school, which set the whole thing off sort of to begin with,

00:28:51.460 because a lot of that was based on stories of, I mean, it was terrible stories of children

00:28:57.360 basically being murdered, snuck out in the night, buried in an apple orchard. But aside from the

00:29:03.020 oral history of that, there's no other record or anything could be found to corroborate that. Now

00:29:08.320 Now, the GPR has been done, and they found a bunch of anomalies, but nothing else has been done since.

00:29:14.140 Is there going to be further investigation?

00:29:16.240 And if not, I mean, how can we prompt it?

00:29:18.660 Well, I doubt there will be.

00:29:20.840 Some of the leaders at Kamloops promised that there would be, but it hasn't happened, and more than a year has gone by, and no soil has turned.

00:29:30.740 And I think there's a recognition at some level that the digging is risky because it might upset the whole apple cart if they, I mean, what they're going to find at Kamloops, I'm pretty sure, is that these soil anomalies in that particular place are due to the installation of a septic field in the 1920s.

00:29:52.740 A new sanitation system was put in the school, and it was a big septic tank, and then there was a field of weeping tile to disperse the liquids, and about something like 2,000 feet of weeping tile were planted in the same area where the apple orchard now is, and in the same area where they did the testing with the GPR.

00:30:12.040 So that's probably what they're going to find if they ever do actually dig.

00:30:15.700 So I think a lot of people perhaps realize that digging is too risky for the cause that they're engaged in.

00:30:23.980 They're much better off by issuing press releases about soil anomalies, hoping that gullible figures in the press, as they often do, will turn those into reports of actual burials.

00:30:35.740 I mean, it was in the headline today on the one from Bordell-Burney about, you know, more unmarked graves.

00:30:42.440 No unmarked grave has been found anywhere yet in Canada before or after the reports from Kamloops.

00:30:52.080 There have been now thousands of soil anomalies have been reported.

00:30:55.820 But, well, maybe thousands are too strong, but certainly over a thousand.

00:30:59.780 No, actually thousands, excuse me, thousands are not too strong.

00:31:02.220 Because from Libret in the Capelle Valley, they claim to have 2,000 soil anomalies.

00:31:07.640 So we're up into the thousands.

00:31:09.820 But there is not a single credible report or any kind of report, really, not even a dubious report of exhuming a human skeleton, child or otherwise.

00:31:21.720 I mean, there's nothing.

00:31:23.580 I've never seen a story go so far with so little evidence.

00:31:28.080 It's really quite remarkable.

00:31:30.500 Well, yeah, and in oral history, was it, oh, I'm forgetting the name of it,

00:31:34.400 but there was a hospital in Edmonton.

00:31:36.320 It was a tuberculosis hospital way back in its time,

00:31:38.920 and there were some First Nations people claimed that First Nations kids

00:31:43.540 had been buried on the grounds of that, and they did a GPR survey,

00:31:47.120 and they found 33 anomalies, and in two different digs,

00:31:49.780 didn't find a single bit of human remains.

00:31:52.840 We didn't hear a heck of a lot about that, though.

00:31:54.500 You don't hear about the negative evidence.

00:31:58.040 but um so anyway i'm not holding my breath for for uh any digs to take place now the most recent

00:32:06.600 report is that the federal government has engaged a company from the netherlands

00:32:10.600 that specializes in looking for remains of missing children

00:32:14.200 and apparently as a serious company with scientific credibility to come over and consult

00:32:19.400 about the right way to approach this but you know we're already getting protests from this side

00:32:24.680 of the water from from native leaders but well there wasn't enough consultation these people

00:32:29.640 are going to be insensitive to our culture what are their protocols uh you know all on and on

00:32:34.720 oops sorry cory i bumped my rig here um all we're hearing is reasons uh not to fully cooperate with

00:32:44.840 this investigation from outside so i my guess is at the end of the day we will continue to get the

00:32:50.080 reports without any real verification or in some cases uh highly dubious verification like the

00:33:00.560 the bones the bone that was found in part of a skull i think it was was found at labret

00:33:07.440 you know but that wasn't handled properly um didn't really tell us very much and we have no

00:33:12.400 idea that that for sure whether it came from an indian child who might have been at the school

00:33:18.560 or some other child.

00:33:19.840 I mean, there's all kinds of people

00:33:20.980 who have lived in the Capella Valley

00:33:23.060 for a long time.

00:33:25.880 So that's where we are.

00:33:28.120 Frankly, no serious evidence,

00:33:30.900 no evidence that a competent court

00:33:33.440 would grant any credence to.

00:33:37.680 Oh, and then there's other showings,

00:33:40.580 and it frustrates me to watch the press

00:33:42.240 and the way they cover that,

00:33:43.180 at least a lot of the legacy media.

00:33:45.200 I had the opportunity last summer,

00:33:46.500 I went up to Gruard in Northern Alberta,

00:33:48.560 i had to do some stuff in high prairie and i went and checked out the grouard site and that was a

00:33:52.160 large residential school in an isolated area has actually got a nice big cathedral there they use

00:33:56.640 it as a college for first nations people still a bit of a rough town as many reserves are but the 1.00

00:34:02.960 area because that was another one where oh well they found a whole bunch of anomalies and i went

00:34:06.320 physically to where it was and yes it's a catholic cemetery on a hill uh they they it's fenced in

00:34:12.560 even so yes they did their survey inside the cemetery and you could see even just looking at

00:34:17.040 the grass the disturbances yes they're they're certainly with somebody buried there at some time

00:34:22.160 chances are and you see on most reserves they're usually a wooden cross gets put in and after time

00:34:26.800 it disintegrates and goes away but this isn't a discovery this is just establishing a known

00:34:31.760 an unknown burial site but it doesn't get represented that way when it hits the news

00:34:35.600 yeah this is another angle on it some of the some of the reports concern areas that you might say

00:34:41.520 They are a greenfield of, they're just seeing

00:34:45.360 what they might find.

00:34:46.740 In other cases, they are running their machines

00:34:48.940 in areas that are known to have been cemeteries.

00:34:52.720 Usually they're parish cemeteries.

00:34:54.580 I mean, most residential schools were located

00:34:57.360 near towns or villages and there was a Catholic

00:35:01.480 or Anglican parish there and would have a cemetery.

00:35:04.440 And sometimes children who died at the school

00:35:07.980 were buried there, not great numbers, but you know,

00:35:10.620 occasionally. But other people were buried there. So you start using ground penetrating radar

00:35:15.540 on an old cemetery, sure, you're going to find soil anomalies. And if you dug, you might well

00:35:22.400 find skeletons or remains. But would they be the remains of children who somehow disappeared

00:35:29.960 from the school? Well, for that, you'd have to have other evidence. And again, we haven't

00:35:38.600 we haven't seen any evidence of that well and again like let's just say for example they exhumed

00:35:44.000 you know or that there really were children murdered and buried in some of these sites

00:35:47.860 i mean shouldn't this be then a criminal investigation a forensic one i mean if i'd

00:35:52.560 reported hey there's a body buried in my backyard there behind my house but no no no i don't want

00:35:58.300 you digging it up i just wanted to tell you it's back there well i'm not going to have a choice in

00:36:01.900 the matter anymore if there's any evidence of it the police are going to come in and they're going

00:36:05.220 dig a hole and and see just what the heck happened there but that doesn't seem to be the case here

00:36:08.820 no no it's the uh i mean it's again it's a little different different in different places but

00:36:16.340 in most cases the rcmp aren't involved at all in a couple of places the rcmp said well we're

00:36:21.780 aware of it but we're letting the first nation lead the investigation you know well what does

00:36:27.220 that mean if like you say you find the evidence of a murder in your yard the police don't say

00:36:32.740 well you lead the investigation call us if you find something yeah uh i think i think the mounties

00:36:39.220 probably realized that that really there's nothing in this uh and that if a body was found it

00:36:46.900 probably won't be a child from the school and in any case it was probably way beyond the point

00:36:54.900 where police could do anything with it you know if it's 75 years old what are the police supposed

00:36:59.780 to do so yeah the police are not involved in any credible way in this and you're right they should

00:37:08.020 be if we took these reports seriously um the police ought to be leading the investigation

00:37:14.040 there ought to be crime scene tape up and uh teams exhuming and so on but none of that is happening

00:37:20.420 so that gives you an idea that people who are in a position to understand what's going on

00:37:27.000 actually don't take it seriously it's all a performance it's a performance really yeah so

00:37:33.040 getting to the the bottom of the whole thing though because this is really causing a lot of

00:37:36.620 damage I mean there's a lot of sensitivity between the first nations and non-first nations and people

00:37:42.040 who are concerned and I mean this is just increasing the division it's increasing a lot of

00:37:46.280 hurt whether things really you know how they happened or where they happened we need resolution

00:37:52.660 though so I want to get to the hardest part how how are we going to close this off because this

00:37:56.400 trend just seems to be snowballing rather than than reaching a closure anywhere yeah i think it's

00:38:02.100 going to get worse uh before it gets better i unfortunate to have to say that but i don't see

00:38:08.820 any signs that anybody in authority is is going to exert any control over it so i think it will

00:38:15.040 continue to to grow eventually everything comes to an end and it will burn itself out like the

00:38:21.560 Salem witch trials in Massachusetts in the 17th century, and then later on there will be a period 0.99

00:38:28.000 of reflection, and people will say, how could we have been so stupid? But these things can go on 0.98

00:38:33.360 for a very long time in the absence, maybe especially in the absence of evidence, because

00:38:40.840 the absence of evidence allows people to keep speculating. So I wish I could tell your viewers

00:38:47.520 that that's going to get better but i fear it's going to get worse that's those are all the signs

00:38:52.240 that we're getting more and more of these reports they're repeating the same methodology of pushing

00:38:57.840 the gpr around uh collecting stories claiming to have found graves but not not exhuming and not

00:39:04.960 testing in any real way and as long as they continue to get money from the government to do

00:39:09.520 that i you know i think it will continue so it's unfortunate i know i didn't expect a quick easy

00:39:15.840 answer but i was hoping maybe you know you've spent a lot of time on the first nation that

00:39:19.840 you'd had a revelation and realized how we can you know fix this but it was worth a shot uh

00:39:25.840 it's always my weakness as a pundit i could never foretell the future i was only good at explaining

00:39:30.640 the past so well and you've you've written i mean as we close off uh you've done a lot of work on

00:39:36.240 this you wrote first nations second thoughts i remember rushing out to get that and at least

00:39:40.320 you're going into the subject of how we can work towards fixing i mean the whole system

00:39:44.240 in general is failing i think canadians and first nations people all together uh are you still

00:39:50.440 working on on some items now and where can people find the information yeah most of my research on

00:39:55.760 this topic in recent years has been published by the fraser institute and anybody who's interested

00:40:00.860 just google my name in conjunction with fraser institute and you'll find a whole series of

00:40:05.940 studies many of which have a fiscal focus of like how much is the government spending and

00:40:11.220 how much is it uh is it accomplishing i've written quite a bit about the um the compensation

00:40:18.400 uh well call it a racket which has evolved since the uh big apology in 2008 prime minister

00:40:27.720 harper's apology for the residential schools and the compensation that was paid to the so-called

00:40:34.640 survivors then well that in harper's mind that was supposed to be the end you know this brings

00:40:40.020 it to a close it turned out to be just the beginning uh it was uh touched off a whole series

00:40:46.180 of of further class actions for different categories of first nations people with different

00:40:52.340 different alleged grievances and then when the liberals were elected in 2015 uh

00:41:00.900 prime minister trudeau decided not to contest any of these so it's like star was a star trek

00:41:06.740 resistance is futile uh ever since 2015 um the government simply negotiates a settlement every

00:41:14.900 time somebody comes in with one of these class actions and so billions and billions of dollars

00:41:19.620 are being shoveled out the back of the truck the biggest one i don't know how many of your viewers

00:41:24.500 are aware of this a 40 billion dollar settlement for alleged harms to children through the child

00:41:32.180 welfare system but there are many other class actions as well and the government in my opinion

00:41:38.100 is derelict in its duty it's not contesting these so that they get a true hearing in court they're

00:41:42.740 saying well come on let's negotiate we'll put up some money for a settlement and so we're running

00:41:47.140 into the many billions of dollars and the emotionalism surrounding the missing children

00:41:52.740 and unmarked graves myths is a big part of what drives these it makes it hard for people to view

00:41:58.740 these these grievances in any rational context because what's what's more emotional than a

00:42:04.500 missing child you know uh so all this kind of fits together and it's sadly it's maybe a new government

00:42:12.660 will bring a change but i do not don't know how confident i am uh pierre polliver's crowd you know

00:42:21.140 they voted four months ago for a parliamentary resolution that uh indian residential schools

00:42:27.060 were were actual genocide uh i mean do they even believe what they're what they're saying if that's

00:42:34.060 true there should be an international investigation and this is what happens when you have a real

00:42:38.940 genocide i mean they're just saying they're playing with words but it it um it builds the

00:42:45.620 emotionalism yeah well and then you know it's funny because i was going to speak i've got it

00:42:50.400 queued up a little more on that with uh i have the definition in front of me at least one definition

00:42:54.560 of what you know if you're going to declare something a genocide and it says an assessment

00:42:58.020 of both individual and state responsibility requires a considerable body of evidence it

00:43:02.420 must be carried out by a competent tribunal charged with the task well nothing like that

00:43:07.220 has happened yet so you're really making a big leap to a very loaded word without having followed

00:43:12.800 the process to really claim if that happened or not yeah it's a it's a vocabulary inflation of

00:43:19.280 course this happens all the time in politics people are constantly reaching for for more

00:43:23.280 dramatic language and so they reached for the word genocide and took it off the shelf and

00:43:28.480 first it was cultural genocide um which is uh well i think it's a bad phrase but maybe you

00:43:35.760 could justify it as a kind of a metaphor but very quickly cultural genocide turned into

00:43:41.440 actual literal physical genocide uh which is you know crazy because if that was true how can there

00:43:50.640 be more indigenous people in canada now than than there ever were before the europeans came i mean

00:43:58.960 if it was a genocide it wasn't a very effective one but but of course it wasn't a genocide

00:44:02.880 it was what it was was an attempt at acculturation to make it possible for indigenous people to fit

00:44:09.440 into the new uh society which was being created by immigration and you can argue about whether

00:44:15.440 that was right or wrong but it wasn't genocidal so even the leading historians who opened up the

00:44:22.960 whole residential school issue for example jim miller at the university of saskatchewan whose

00:44:27.500 book shingle walks vision was the first one that i read on the topic and he's very critical of the

00:44:32.320 schools uh he was a pioneering scholar you know excellent scholar um but he's you know he's flatly

00:44:40.100 stated there was no genocide and there are no there are no unmarked graves and there are no

00:44:44.700 missing children uh so this thing is just spiraled out of control and now it's being driven by people

00:44:51.080 that are um are playing with words that ultimately for financial benefit i think well and and if you

00:44:58.320 got another moment i didn't really want to dive into this but since you know it kind of segwayed

00:45:01.980 into it i mean we saw a house of commons motion from the same one who declared that the residential

00:45:06.160 schools were a genocide uh the same member of parliament now is proposing to make it a crime

00:45:11.580 to deny or question the genocide like this is very scary turf that they're starting to tread into

00:45:17.980 on criminalizing this discussion you and I are having today by definition from what this member

00:45:23.540 of parliament wants to enshrine into law could land us in the legal soup I mean this is getting

00:45:28.280 too far but it doesn't seem to be stopping yeah well maybe professor Miller and I should be

00:45:33.560 packing our toothbrushes that don't they let you bring your own toothbrush it's a president

00:45:38.280 there was an excellent column today by Chris Selle in the National Post which went into some

00:45:45.760 of the details and after reading that I think maybe people can relax a little bit and even if

00:45:52.540 the thing is passed it's probably going to have qualifications in it which will make it unenforceable

00:45:58.940 so it will turn out to be probably another exercise in virtue signaling without real world

00:46:06.080 consequences except for the way in which it debases the climate of public opinion so if

00:46:12.000 legislation lies like that is passed as soon as anybody says something which

00:46:16.240 doesn't agree with current majority opinion he can be attacked as you know purveying hate speech

00:46:21.760 and so on uh so this should really be strangled before it gets gets any further uh again what will

00:46:30.640 the conservatives do what will deliver it's an ndp proposal the bigger parties are supposed to be

00:46:36.960 excuse me more responsible but they voted on mass for the original um residential schools

00:46:43.920 equals genocide uh proposal will they now come back and vote for this resolution

00:46:49.440 i hope not but uh you know i can't again i'm not totally optimistic about it yeah well we'll we'll

00:46:55.680 watch with interest i guess the the game just keeps rolling on and on it's just it seems to

00:47:00.160 to be in such a bad direction right now. I appreciate you coming on to speak to us today,

00:47:05.020 though, and kind of, you know, examine some of these issues a little further and explain a little

00:47:07.880 bit of what's going on there and the work you've done and still are doing. For those guys who are

00:47:12.720 just listening on the audio version, as Professor said, if you Google Tom Flanagan and Fraser

00:47:18.940 Institute, you'll find those sorts of things, or you can find a copy of some of those books out

00:47:23.080 there as well and things such as that. So thank you for coming on the show again today. I really

00:47:27.940 appreciate it and maybe one of these days we'll we'll see well as you said probably in the long

00:47:31.420 long run we'll be using hindsight or our kids will and realizing this was a bad endeavor but

00:47:36.880 if we could speed the progress towards a conclusion it would be nice well yeah final word what i feel

00:47:43.420 i'm doing and others we're not really having much opinion on public opinion right now i mean we have

00:47:49.380 people like you who are covering the issue but we're not getting much traction in the mainstream

00:47:53.960 media, but I hope that we're laying down a factual record that when the time comes for

00:47:58.860 re-evaluation, and something like this is happening at a much more accelerated pace

00:48:02.860 with the COVID hysteria.

00:48:05.980 You know, two years ago, we were all running around about the sky is falling.

00:48:09.300 Now, there's a lot of good scientific studies coming out in referee journals like The Lancet,

00:48:14.600 a lot of stuff coming out saying, hey, wait a minute, we overreacted, way overreacted.

00:48:20.260 so I think there is some value in trying to establish a factual record even if it doesn't have

00:48:26.780 a big political impact at the moment but it's there when the time comes great well thank you

00:48:33.420 very much and I hope we can talk again soon okay Corey thanks for what you're doing great thank you

00:48:37.600 so again that was a professor Tom Flanagan he's been on the show before and he's done a great

00:48:42.460 deal of work uh really well worth looking up of course after the show you got to make it to the

00:48:47.120 end here, guys. Then you can go look at all that body of work that's out there on this issue and

00:48:52.540 many others that Professor Flanagan has worked on. Jimmy Parnell saying, no toothbrush from home in

00:48:57.900 jail. So there we go. I know because you got to give all that work to file it into a shiv and

00:49:02.280 stuff. I've watched all those shows. So whatever you pack up there on your way into jail, maybe a

00:49:07.380 toothbrush isn't the thing for it. But I mean, you know, as he did put it, I did read that Chris

00:49:13.980 Sully piece on that with the motion to try and criminalize even, you know, questioning whether

00:49:19.240 or not it was a genocide at the residential schools. And it's true, like the chances of 1.00

00:49:24.740 conviction would probably be really slim in it. But we also know, I mean, that kind of say, you

00:49:29.440 know, ties into what I was talking about before with self-defense. The process can be the punishment.

00:49:33.940 They can really beat the heck out of you while you defend yourself if that law is brought in.

00:49:39.380 and it would bring a chilling effect.

00:49:41.560 So a lot of publications or individuals

00:49:43.580 just might think, you know what,

00:49:44.520 I just don't even want to talk about it.

00:49:47.160 So they won't.

00:49:47.900 And that's a big, big danger.

00:49:51.240 I think Sully's story also referenced like Ernst Zundel.

00:49:54.420 And for those old enough to remember,

00:49:56.000 I mean, he was a very odious, 0.71

00:49:58.020 outright Holocaust denier, anti-Semite. 0.87

00:50:00.740 There's no getting around that.

00:50:02.440 But I mean, again, I don't even believe

00:50:03.460 guys like him should be charged. 0.99

00:50:05.700 You just sideline him as the hateful kook that he is. 1.00

00:50:08.500 But he went through a whole bunch of charges and everything else. 0.67

00:50:10.660 And at the end of it, I guess, retroactively, the charges were kind of lifted for his Holocaust denial in Canada, even though technically that's supposed to be illegal.

00:50:17.960 So it is harder to criminalize that sort of discussion than an NDP member of parliament making that motion in the House might think it is.

00:50:25.900 So we needn't sweat it too much, but we've got to have the discussions.

00:50:30.340 I mean, when people want to criminalize speech, you always have to let your, you know, get your alarm bells up.

00:50:35.620 I mean, this is scary. This is problematic.

00:50:38.500 I mean, hash it out, fight it out, sideline people, call people things, fine, but don't criminalize the speech.

00:50:45.600 And that's what they want to do.

00:50:47.340 And this ongoing thing, it just frustrates me to no end.

00:50:52.700 I mean, we are working on a myth.

00:50:56.300 Some of the stuff they've talked about, as I was talking about with Professor Flanagan to begin with,

00:51:02.720 a lot of this has been tipped off by oral history in Kamloops.

00:51:06.300 That's why I wanted to speak of it, because these were stories that came, and I believe that a lot of the people who testified saying these things believe these things really happened.

00:51:14.120 These were members who were kids in the residential school there, and they said they'd heard about children being murdered down in the furnace room, babies hung from hooks.

00:51:23.460 There were stories, outrageous stories, children being brought up in the night and taken out with shovels and forced to dig the holes to bury the murdered bodies of their compatriots.

00:51:34.120 Now, that's horrific. And that is a murder allegation, a gross murder allegation of the worst sort. So why is there not a forensic investigation going on? Well, and the other thing is, remember kids' stories, right? These are kids that told each other stories in the night when they were in a boarding school, basically.

00:51:52.800 a lot of them are fairy tales. Maybe not necessarily all. Maybe they'll dig a hole

00:51:58.680 and find a body, but we've got to start digging some holes, you guys. And some people think that

00:52:04.420 when we question these things that we're saying that the residential school system was a good

00:52:07.720 idea. No, that school was, there was a lot of things wrong, that school system, and there was

00:52:12.540 a lot of abuses. In the Port Alberni case, the one recently where they feel that they might have

00:52:17.760 found where they found more GPR anomalies. There was a guy, a school custodian who between the

00:52:23.300 40s and 60s, he got convicted for a whole pile of sexual assaults on the children there. Like

00:52:30.420 there's some children endured some horrific treatment in those schools. There's no getting

00:52:34.520 around that. Unfortunately, sick pedophiles and predators are always drawn to circumstances where 0.99

00:52:41.600 they can get access to children. I mean, they're monsters. They're predators. And these, those 1.00

00:52:46.720 residential schools I mean they would have been a magnet for those kinds of pieces of human garbage 0.99

00:52:51.780 and you know they went to those schools and you know they abused some kids there was stuff that 0.97

00:52:56.200 went on I mean there was stuff recently that still again the rights of first nations people

00:53:02.080 were definitely stepped on there used to have to be an Indian agent on the reserve and a first

00:53:06.860 nations person would actually have to register and get permission to leave the reserve and I'm not

00:53:10.260 talking about at 1890. I'm talking about 1950. So yeah, we've got things that happened that we

00:53:17.660 want to clarify. There's only so much that again, we've settled and settled and settled and settled

00:53:22.460 though. Now it's just, I mean, they talk about the truth and reconciliation commission. Well,

00:53:27.080 let's get to the truth. And yes, there were bad things, but we've got a lot of things that are

00:53:31.800 exaggerated. A lot of things that are claimed that obviously didn't happen. We need to investigate

00:53:37.380 further. You can't quell investigation on this. And it's being stifled. I mean, some of the stuff

00:53:44.500 too is the expansion of the terms. And that's what Professor Flanagan spoke of as well. And we're

00:53:48.500 talking about where you talk about genocide. And somebody else mentioned the term survivors.

00:53:51.920 Everybody's a survivor. Now, they're talking about kids who went to day schools as survivors.

00:54:03.140 They reference them as survivors.

00:54:05.120 They're kids who went to school.

00:54:06.640 They're like anybody bloody else.

00:54:09.080 Come on. 0.53

00:54:10.200 How far does this go?

00:54:11.420 What did you survive?

00:54:13.020 You survived a strap?

00:54:13.980 Hey, I went to an all-boys English-style school.

00:54:16.020 I survived the cane.

00:54:17.780 Unpleasant and something that schools don't do anymore.

00:54:20.580 I don't reference myself as a survivor, but it just keeps going on and on.

00:54:24.640 And now we're compensating like third generation down from people who even attended these schools.

00:54:28.120 We've got to remember only 100, I think it was 150,000 children over the course of 100 years actually attended these schools, a tiny percentage of them, and that were residential, and most of those were voluntary, believe it or not.

00:54:40.540 They weren't snatched out of households, again, getting back to some of the mythology, though there were some that were forced.

00:54:46.160 And some of the other stuff that's talked about, this 60s snatch, they talk about the amount of children taken in and put into foster care and social services, and unfortunately some got abused once they got into foster care.

00:54:55.920 but nobody likes to talk about it they were taken from households that were a mess they were taken

00:55:02.580 from households that were abusive they were taken from households that were filthy they were taken

00:55:06.380 from households where these children were being abused or malnourished or the parents were immersed

00:55:10.940 in substance abuse and couldn't properly care for the children that's why they were taken out and

00:55:16.600 the state would have been faulted if you leave children in those conditions then whose fault is

00:55:21.820 that when that child gets beaten to death or molested or starved to death in those households.

00:55:27.440 What we got to look at is the bigger picture. Why are so many households so dysfunctional

00:55:31.960 on First Nation reserves? Now that gets into a much bigger discussion because, I mean, yes,

00:55:36.400 and I've said it many a time, the entire First Nations reserve system is wrong. It's racial 1.00

00:55:42.940 apartheid. It's separating a whole separate race from the rest of society. It's making them 1.00

00:55:47.940 dependent on everybody else. There's, there's not many opportunities for people to pay their

00:55:53.160 own bills, find employment, things like that on the reserves. You've just got a recipe for a

00:55:58.040 dysfunctional society for the people on there. Plus constantly telling them of false stories

00:56:02.680 of potential abuse. I mean, and there was real abuse too, but we're just increasing the divide

00:56:08.060 division, the sense of victimhood, the hurt, and it leads to more substance abuse. And this cycle

00:56:12.920 keeps going and going and going. You really want to see an end. And I know I'm not going to see it

00:56:16.920 in my lifetime, but this reserve system has got to end. It's not getting anywhere. I mean, who's

00:56:21.980 winning? Who's winning? Who's doing well? I mean, I know people complain about the costs and reserves

00:56:26.300 and things like that. Whatever. You know what? If they were all, all the people living on reserves

00:56:30.140 were living comfortably and happy and doing well, I might be frustrated with the cost, but I'd be

00:56:33.720 okay with that. But the cost is high and they're living in misery. Go check it out, guys. Go out,

00:56:38.820 get onto a reserve. Most people haven't been on one. I worked in the oil field for decades.

00:56:42.820 I worked on all sorts of isolated reserves, and I tell you what, they're bloody rough,

00:56:47.380 and people are living in nasty, nasty condition. But we've got, it's not going to change as long

00:56:53.000 as they're stuck on those segregated areas. Pat Andrusiak saying, end the Indian Act,

00:56:59.500 and as well, yes, you know, the Indian Act itself is a gross racist document. It's over a hundred

00:57:05.320 and some years old. And race-based policy, it's always wrong. Race-based policy was wrong in the 0.71

00:57:11.220 past, absolutely, but we can't fix it by adding more race-based policy. I mean, I think the more 0.98

00:57:19.240 race-based policy is making it worse. I don't think it, I know it. I mean, Canada has not had a pretty 1.00

00:57:23.880 history. We turned back boatloads of Jews, refugees in World War II. We interred Japanese people in 1.00

00:57:30.660 Canada and stole their property in World War II. This wasn't that long ago, relatively. You know,

00:57:35.600 the Chinese, they were put on boats and shipped back to China after they worked so hard to help

00:57:39.480 build the railway that they say created this country. But of all of them, are the Jews and 1.00

00:57:45.920 underclass that are having a hard time in Canada, the Japanese, the Chinese, actually no Asians.

00:57:51.400 I don't know. I haven't seen the numbers on Jews, but for the most part, they're usually doing

00:57:54.280 pretty good. We didn't separate them into other areas and try to keep compensating and compensating

00:58:00.520 and compensating. Instead, they moved forward and they're doing well as cultures and societies.

00:58:05.720 they maintain their cultural roots and still stay functional holy cow we're getting along it's not

00:58:12.200 assimilation you know you you still see uh plenty of observances for for center and hanukkah and

00:58:19.800 maybe things with jews chinatown of course is fantastic downtown in japanese culture so look

00:58:24.540 at that you could be within the society and not have to live on a separate reserve and still

00:58:27.660 maintain the cultural practices of your roots why is that considered impossible with first nations

00:58:32.320 Why is that considered racist to say that we could do that with First Nations?

00:58:35.480 Why is it assimilation to ask of that?

00:58:39.220 It isn't.

00:58:40.920 And what's going on anyways, unfortunately, a lot of the confidence is being lost in the reserves.

00:58:46.680 It's ruining some very good people.

00:58:49.200 All right, I'm all ranted out.

00:58:50.300 I had a whole bunch more stories I wanted to cover today.

00:58:52.320 But of course, when I get on that First Nations one, because I got to see it a lot firsthand

00:58:55.000 and how bad it is on the reserves and how dead-ended it is, it does get me upset.

00:58:58.540 it really does because it really is a waste of very good people and we're going way down the

00:59:03.560 wrong path of trying to resolve this and make for a better future for them and everybody else

00:59:09.840 by the way i'm going to close up next week i've got another professor coming in and another one

00:59:14.120 is considered controversial at times professor francis widdowson she was turned away at the

00:59:18.500 university of lethbridge as a speaker by a bunch of screaming woke little babies yes the students

00:59:24.920 there, the snowflakes. But I want to talk not so much about what Professor Whitteson did to stir

00:59:30.640 up the world, but the dangers again of having the woke shutting down discourse and how bad

00:59:35.540 our post-secondary institutions have gotten. So yes, it's going to be another interesting

00:59:40.520 conversation next week. Dave will probably be back. We'll see. And of course, there'll be lots

00:59:46.680 of other news items, things going on. The pipeline will be on tonight at seven o'clock. Tune in for

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