Tamara Leach, author of Hold the Line, comes back on the show to discuss her new book, "Hold the Line" and her thoughts on the growing problem of drug addiction in Canada. She also discusses the need for mandatory drug treatment.
00:00:30.000Good day. Welcome to the Corey Morgan Show. I am, as the name would imply, Corey Morgan, and
00:00:35.720we've got a good show lined up for you this week. This is the Western Standards production where we
00:00:41.960cover some news items, interview interesting guests, interact with commenters and viewers,
00:00:48.060and get a lot of stuff off our chest. So I do want to remind people as well, you know,
00:00:53.220some of the folks are going to be watching the rebroadcast on television, and that's great,
00:00:57.300and I appreciate it. But yes, when you hear me referencing commenters, you won't see those
00:01:01.480comments, but I'll try and make it clear when I'm talking to them. And as for you guys commenting,
00:01:06.000you know, make use of it, chat with each other, send questions my way or towards my guest. I don't
00:01:09.920necessarily read them all on the air, but I do see them all guys and I appreciate it. And just
00:01:14.320try to keep things fairly civil with each other though. That's always the important part. We can
00:01:18.860get upset and mad, get on each other's cases, but we still don't have to get beyond the pale.
00:01:22.960So I got a great guest on today. It's not been too long since she was here last. It's Tamara
00:01:28.180Leach. She's going to be on in a little while. And the reason we've brought her back is because
00:01:32.000her book has just come out called Hold the Line. And it's already been quite the bestseller,
00:01:37.980I believe, on Amazon in some categories. And it's really making the rounds and it's fantastic. So
00:01:42.980we're going to talk to her about that and see what that's all about as well. I will be talking
00:01:47.540about news items and opinion and all that good stuff. So I'm going to start with, as usual,
00:01:52.500my opening monologue. Now, this was from a column about a week ago, so a lot of you Western Standard
00:01:57.320readers may have already read it, but this one really took off. I mean, I'm not here to pat
00:02:02.560myself on the back, just sometimes a column will really resonate with people, and this one seems
00:02:06.160to have, and I've never gotten so many emails back from readers on one column before. Mostly
00:02:13.400positive, a few telling me to get stuff, that's nothing new, but I mean, obviously, this is
00:02:17.060something people want to talk about, people want to read about, so I want to reiterate it for those
00:02:20.400who are viewers and make sure that you understand that, you know, this discussion and where we've
00:02:26.040been coming with things. So it's easy to critique proposed policies of mandatory drug treatment
00:02:31.780being imposed upon addicts from the comfort of a suburban home. When one hasn't seen this disorder
00:02:37.260and misery spreading on the streets of every major city in Canada, one can convince oneself that it
00:02:41.920really isn't that bad out there. A person can delude themselves and think that policies of
00:02:46.820enablement will eventually lead addicts to liberation from their poison of choice. They
00:02:51.720can call efforts to intervene in the state of addicts inhumane and refer to it as something
00:02:56.080like imprisoning Albertans against their will. In fact, that's the exact approach NDP leader
00:03:01.620Rachel Notley is taking on the issue. And those were her words. Exactly. Now, the UCP under
00:03:07.880Premier Daniel Smith dared to broach the issue of mandatory drug treatment. And as usual,
00:03:13.200the partisan subjects have gone wild. Now what privileged progressives like Notley refuse to
00:03:19.160understand is that addicts are already in prison against their will. They're trapped in a cycle of
00:03:24.960substance abuse which drives them to seek larger and more frequent doses to the point of an almost
00:03:29.720inevitable overdose. As they stumble down that path of addiction they lose their jobs, they lose
00:03:34.860their homes, they lose contact with their families. They live on the streets in fear, misery, and
00:03:40.080desperation as it gets harder to find the means to get their drugs and keep them in their stupor,
00:03:44.360which would allow them to forget their life situation. The fate of an addict once they've
00:03:48.180hit the streets is bleak. Unless they somehow find their way into a recovery program, they're
00:03:52.360likely going to end up either in jail, in a hospital, or dead. How on earth is it compassionate
00:03:57.640to say that we should leave addicts in that condition to their own devices? I mean, sure,
00:04:02.460it's always preferred, of course, to let free will dictate a person's path in life. That's working,
00:04:07.520though under the assumption a person is in their right mind. A heavily addicted person living on
00:04:12.580the streets is not in their right mind. Yes, it's best if an addict voluntarily checks themselves
00:04:18.080into treatment. Unfortunately, once they're down on the street level, very, very few will do that.
00:04:23.200For most of them, once they've hit that point, intervention is required. Last week, I wrote and
00:04:27.980I said on this show on how I had a family member we had to deal with, and he needed to be committed
00:04:33.620to a mental health facility. It was a tough process. The facilities are limited, and for now,
00:04:38.180he's still residing there. It's terrible to have to force a loved one into a situation where they're
00:04:42.680held against their own will. In the condition he's in, though, we know that he can't take care of
00:04:47.480himself, and he's beyond what we as family members can offer him with home care. We were forced to
00:04:52.680face the hard reality he needed to be committed for his own sake, and we do hope it's temporary.
00:04:58.280Now, society needs to make that decision when it comes to addicts. I can assure you, any family who
00:05:03.540has a loved one living on the streets in the throes of addiction will welcome a forced
00:05:08.000intervention with the intent of saving them. And I know success rates for addiction treatment
00:05:12.360aren't the greatest, particularly if the addicts didn't come of their own will to begin with.
00:05:16.700But still, the success rate's infinitely higher than having no treatment at all.
00:05:21.140A beating addiction is rarely a solitary journey. An addict needs support and guidance to stay
00:05:26.320clean. It's a long-term thing. It took me several false starts and countless support meetings before
00:05:30.920I finally managed to permanently end my addictive and destructive relationship with alcohol.
00:05:35.500I never would have been able to do it alone, and I can't imagine how somebody at the point
00:05:39.380of living in the streets can get started on recovery, much less complete the process on
00:05:43.140their own. Street addicts can't just up and quit cold turkey. To every person claiming
00:05:48.180it's inhumane to force drug rehabilitation upon addicts, I invite them to go out and
00:05:52.380see how it is for themselves then. Get out there. Spend a day riding city transit into
00:05:56.760the city cores. Walk the alleys into the parks. You'll find numerous addicts in a state of
00:06:01.480deterioration. Look at them curled up unconscious in bus shelters or behind dumpsters after they
00:06:06.920get their fix. Watch the ones shouting at the clouds as they shuffle down the street in a
00:06:11.080drug-induced psychosis. Look at the sores covering their faces and their emaciated bodies as the
00:06:17.020addiction is eating them alive. Spend a day doing that. I'm serious. Do it. Then come to me and tell
00:06:22.360me we shouldn't intervene. Tell me how that person on the park bench stoned out of their wits,
00:06:27.580soaking in their own feces, must be left alone for the sake of their dignity. There's no dignity in
00:06:33.020death, and that's the inevitable destination of many street addicts if something doesn't knock
00:06:37.880them off their path. Intervention and mandatory treatment isn't a perfect option, and it won't
00:06:42.980work for them all, but it's still a far better course of action than the failed policies of
00:06:48.040enablement and wishful thinking that's led to the spread of addiction and disorder we're seeing on
00:06:52.340the streets today. That's the rant I got this week, guys. And it's the truth. And this one
00:06:57.460just hits me hard. It drives me crazy. I honestly think a lot of the people who are saying intervention
00:07:03.540is wrong or that we can fix them or they call them, they sugarcoat it. They're not addicted.
00:07:07.300They're unhoused. Yes, they're unhoused. They're unhoused because they're addicted. We've got to
00:07:11.220get to the core thing if we're going to get them out of the trouble they're in. Most people living
00:07:15.480in the suburbs don't see it. They don't go into the alleys. They don't see quite how bad it's
00:07:20.880gotten, and how awful it is. And the emails really got to me, the number of people, it's one of the
00:07:25.920things nobody likes to talk about. And that's why I want to talk about it. Because we shuffle it off,
00:07:31.020you know, you don't talk about that in the water cooler, you don't talk about it in general. But a
00:07:35.020lot of us have loved ones either have mental health issues, or addiction issues. And you know
00:07:39.180what, we're not going to find solutions until we accept that. I mean, a lot of those emails I got
00:07:43.120were saying, thank you for bringing this up. I have a niece who's on the street, or I have an
00:07:47.720uncle who's on the street, or I have a cousin who died of an overdose. It's touching everybody
00:07:54.440everywhere, but still we're seeing these ridiculous push for enablement. This idea that if we could
00:07:59.520just keep giving enough safe consumption, they'll get better. They won't. And I'm not wholly against
00:08:04.840safe consumption sites and trying to mitigate harm. There's some truth to it. We can't treat
00:08:08.980them if they're dead. So if we can stop enough overdoses, hopefully we get them to the point
00:08:13.620where we can intervene and save them, but without treatment, it's pointless. All you're doing is
00:08:18.500dragging out a slow, ugly, and unnecessary death, and it's hurting us all, and the associated crime0.78
00:08:24.640with it is just nuts. So that's what I got going on this week, guys, and yeah, we have to
00:08:31.760address these things. I'm just going to have a quick look through the comments. Good to see you
00:08:35.660all jumping in there, guys, and John Vancouver bringing up, you know, it's the results of
00:08:40.640deinstitutionalization, and I talked about that a bit before. We've moved away from putting people
00:08:46.440into institutions, and there was a good reason for it. The institutions were abused. There were
00:08:51.680terrible things that happened. There were bad conditions. They were underfunded, and I tell
00:08:54.660you what, the mental health facilities that my family members in, I'm going to be visiting them
00:08:59.120this afternoon there, aren't the greatest. They're doing what they can with what they have, but it's
00:09:02.340not a great place to reside, and they used to put, literally, in Michener Center and Pinocchio in
00:09:07.860Alberta, they had people with cerebral palsy back in there in the 60s and 70s. They had deaf people
00:09:13.180put in there. They were using those dumping grounds for undesirables. It was wrong, but instead of1.00
00:09:18.020fixing the problem, we threw out the solution, and we should have addressed that. We still need
00:09:23.680these institutions, and they should be a last resort, but it has to be there when that resort
00:09:27.680is needed. We've got a lot of addiction beds opening up, 8,000 of them in Alberta, as a matter
00:09:31.820of fact. But again, getting these people into them, that's another issue altogether. And we
00:09:38.080need to start talking about it. All right, let me pivot a little and let's talk about something else.
00:09:42.660So I mean, a big thing in the news, let's get into government waste and spending,
00:09:46.580one of always another favorite pet subject, depressing in its own right, but not as bad
00:09:50.240as dealing with addiction. The government's addicted with taking our money and giving it
00:09:54.120to their buddies. In this case, $13 billion to Volkswagen for a battery facility in Ontario,
00:10:00.500of course. I'm surprised it wasn't in Quebec. $13 billion. And it's going to be flushed, guys.
00:10:07.500It's going to be flushed. Volkswagen's going to take the money and run. Oh, they'll build something
00:10:11.100and eventually it'll fall apart. We'll be on the hook for that too. And there'll be layoffs.
00:10:15.240We've seen this. We've seen this so many times. And, you know, Alberta isn't innocent in it. I
00:10:20.280mean, for those of us gray enough of hair, we remember the MagCan and Novotel, these things
00:10:26.060in the 80s and early 90s. The government was subsidizing all these stupid business ventures.0.99
00:10:31.680They were going to diversify Alberta's economy away from oil. Doesn't that sound familiar?1.00
00:10:36.060Well, if you ever drive south of Calgary, there's a great big, when you get towards High River,
00:10:40.880so about half an hour south of Calgary, you see this giant red brick building just a little bit,
00:10:45.200a few miles off to the highway to the west. Strange. It's been there forever. That's the
00:10:49.080mag can plant. It was a magnesium processing facility. Somebody just smelled the idiocy of
00:10:55.020government willing to throw out subsidies on notions and economic diversity and modernization0.99
00:11:00.820and said, we can process magnesium in this spot. All I need is half a billion tax dollars and we
00:11:06.180can do this. That facility was only open for a few months. And now it's sat there shuttered,
00:11:11.140closed. In fact, we're spending, I don't know, there's security guards and a trailer that's
00:11:15.240permanently there. So we're spending money just to keep it there. I notice there's lights on when
00:11:18.680you get close to it and go by, but there's nothing being done within it. It's too specialized.
00:11:22.780it's too unusual to be leased out for anything else. Eventually we'll spend the money to pay
00:11:28.220to rip it down. That, that building, that dinosaur, that's what we're going to see with the Volkswagen
00:11:35.280battery plant out in Eastern Canada. And also what it does is gives our prime minister who wants to
00:11:41.820shut down the energy industry in Western Canada, one of his things to point to. See, this is the
00:11:46.100transition, guys. This is the transition. You can leave the rigs and go work at the battery factory.
00:11:50.640See, we're not putting anybody out of work. We're transitioning them. No, you aren't. You're creating false industries. If there was a demand, if it was real, if it was possible, if it was feasible, they wouldn't need 13 billion of our dollars to do it. It's not that complicated.
00:12:05.640it. Likewise, I'll finish up getting on a local rant. We've got, yes, Premier Smith announcing
00:12:12.720yesterday with the mayor of Calgary and others that a new arena deal has been struck for Calgary.
00:12:19.400I mean, they need one. Sure, the Saddle Dome is, the roof is falling apart. It's out of date.
00:12:24.560But taxpayers are going to be on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars for this new
00:12:29.960arena. Let's not pretend it's because, you know, it's not because of election time coming. Of
00:12:33.900course it is. And it'll probably work. That's, you know, we've got to stop being so responsive
00:12:38.960to being bribed with our own money and maybe they'll stop doing it. But Daniel Smith desperately
00:12:44.300needs Calgary support numbers to jump for her. Calgarians have been very concerned that they're
00:12:48.320going to lose their hockey team and jumping in and pouring 300 million tax dollars into a private
00:12:55.040venture is what her solution to it has been. And it's just maddening. It's maddening. It's circling
00:13:00.620the drain, and it's these endless subsidy wars, and we get those people saying, oh, but look,
00:13:04.680this city over here subsidize theirs, and they'll steal our team if we don't do it.
00:13:08.500Oh, well. Come on, guys. There's other cities that have built arenas, stadiums, huge ones,
00:13:14.740without soaking the taxpayers for it. If there's a market for it, it'll be built, but if,
00:13:20.420and I don't even fault the sports company that owned the flames for taking it, if you can get
00:13:25.900the money out of them, they're going to push for it, and they know, of course, coming up to an
00:13:28.760election is a very good time to get their hands on it. But, you know, and I get frustrated with
00:13:34.700that myth that all these arenas, they bring all the money into the city. No, they don't.
00:13:39.500They redistribute money. Come on. I mean, Calgarians, are they going to say, oh, geez,
00:13:44.120the flames moved out, which I don't think they ever will. But either way, the flames moved out.
00:13:47.980I was going to spend money going down to the games, but now I'll just take the money and
00:13:51.160roll it up in a joint and smoke it. No, they're going to spend it on something else. They'll go
00:13:55.400to a restaurant. They'll go to a football game. They'll go to a movie. They'll take a vacation.
00:14:00.880The money doesn't disappear. The arena doesn't generate money. It takes money. It redistributes0.72
00:14:06.080money. Sure, there's people employed in the arena and in restaurants and bars in the area and
00:14:11.240parking, but let's not pretend that it's generating something. I mean, it benefits people. Sure,
00:14:16.580there's adds some value to the city and adds to some identity and things, but we can have those
00:14:22.260things without subsidizing them. That's the point. We don't need to get into the business
00:14:26.440of sports arenas, but it's too late. We're not getting out of that one, but we got to start
00:14:30.680speaking up because, you know, and again, I've been supportive of Premier Smith. I'm really
00:14:35.400fearful of an NDP government, but boy, how much conservatism is going to be left in her by the1.00
00:14:39.760time she gets there if she keeps going down this course? She was very opposed to arena subsidies
00:14:44.040only a few years ago. All right, that's enough out of me. Let's get some ranting and raving out
00:14:48.800somebody else we've got our guest on deck as i said we got tamara leach here to talk to us this1.00
00:14:54.400week as she's got her new book out hold the line and let's bring tamara in and talk about it hey
00:15:00.720how's it going out there it's going great corey how are you great rant this morning oh thanks you
00:15:06.160know well i've always got lots of rage and fury that i have to vent forth to everybody else or
00:15:11.600i'll be yelling on the sea trains and they'll think i'm another one of the addicts otherwise
00:15:14.320so so yeah i mean uh you know we pretty much everybody's familiar with your story but we'll
00:15:23.120go over a bit of it uh overall as well i mean we we the last time you were with us you mentioned
00:15:27.500there was a book coming and uh here it is it's out it's published it's it's been making a lot
00:15:32.160of waves uh tell us a little bit what's the basis of the book then is this a first person narration
00:15:38.120Is this giving the history of what happened?
00:15:54.580I think it captures the story really nicely and it's a nice, easy read.
00:16:00.320And I think it'll answer a lot of people's questions.
00:16:04.020I've been very quiet for the last year, as you know.
00:16:06.400So I think this will give people an opportunity to have some of their own questions answered also.
00:16:13.180Yeah, and you have been quiet and for good reason on a lot of it.
00:16:16.520You've had to be, I mean, you've had to be very careful because of your status.
00:16:19.500For those that already know, you're technically, you're still on bail.
00:16:22.840You know, there's conditions attached to that.
00:16:25.320If those are violated, they already showed that there's some people be more than overjoyed to stick you back and holding if they could find an excuse.
00:16:31.440uh there's clearly i'm guessing since you're still free and talking to me unless you're in a hidden
00:16:36.600location there's no problem then with publishing this book it's not going to violate any of your
00:16:41.140your bail conditions or anything like that no and and we actually sent the draft to my criminal
00:16:47.180lawyer for him to read and review and edit and uh actually i was a little surprised too i wasn't
00:16:53.140sure what he was going to think but he he sent his edits back and said best of luck well it's
00:16:59.160It's good to be careful. I mean, you've already done your share of time and remand. I'm sure
00:17:03.540you'd rather not have to repeat any of that if you can help it. So how far back does this book
00:17:09.900go into the story then? I mean, is this more background on you or does it kind of begin when
00:17:14.620the convoy begins or where does it start? It starts with basically a brief background
00:17:22.140about my history and how I ended up becoming involved. But the bulk of the book is all about
00:17:27.920uh the whole event all the convoy how i came to meet chris and bridget and uh you know all the
00:17:34.600wonderful people that i've been so blessed to work with over the last year and a half
00:17:38.640because we've become like family really most of us and um so it goes into a lot of the day-to-day
00:17:46.140things that were happening on the ground there in ottawa and all the things that we were dealing
00:17:49.900with i mean it was it was chaos it was a beautiful beautiful chaos well and i mean you've you well
00:17:57.100yourself have become a polarized, polarizing figure because you've become something of a
00:18:01.660figure recognizable to do with the convoy, which of course was a polarizing event in itself. And
00:18:05.960I mean, Mizzle addressed a little of the misinformation. You're not allowed on social
00:18:09.220media, but I am. And I get out there and stir everybody up. But of course, as soon as we
00:18:12.800announced you were coming on, we get the usual people jumping out. And I see the book gives you
00:18:16.420the opportunity to clarify a lot of things. And of course, one of the things that come,
00:18:19.740oh, here comes the grifter. She's looking to make more and more money out of this whole thing. And1.00
00:18:24.060And of course, the false allegation that you took money from any of the fundraising or things such as that with the convoy and such.
00:18:30.320I imagine you can clarify a lot of that within the book, right?
00:42:33.060Well, now I find out work has been halted on it yet again.
00:42:37.200Yes, there was an injury somewhere on the pipeline out there, I think, out by Chilliwack.
00:42:41.060So they shut the whole thing down because, again, you see, when you get a government-run project,
00:42:44.840and the oil field's been getting bad even in the private area for that.0.95
00:42:47.100But the HSE guys, the safety maggots, they shut everything down over the dumbest of things.0.77
00:42:52.380I mean, shut down a little zone, do a safety stand on fine.0.96
00:42:54.680But when you're shutting down a pipeline worth that much, we're talking millions and millions of dollars is not making them any less injured or dead.0.99
00:43:00.340We got to get that damn thing done.0.97
00:43:02.020And we're regulating it to death as we're trying to build it.0.99
00:43:06.700And I mean, somebody referred to it as the hundred million dollar hummingbird nest, because that was found a couple of seasons ago on the side.
00:43:12.440And it wasn't an endangered hummingbird.
00:43:14.020It wasn't a rare hummingbird, but they found it in the environment.
00:43:17.280We've got to stop a big giant section of the construction of the pipeline
00:43:20.120because we don't want to disturb that hummingbird nest.