Western Standard - CMS： Trudeau is China’s most valuable Canadian asset

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good day. It's Wednesday, November 16th, 2022. Welcome to the Corey Morgan Show. I am, as the

00:00:38.760 name implies, Corey Morgan. Yeah, we got a really packed one today. Lots going on. I was saying to

00:00:44.600 Nico before this started, you know, and hey, I'm not into, I'm not going back to a daily show that

00:00:48.720 burnt the crap out of me, but there's so much to cover. It's hard to squeeze it all into a show

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00:01:28.820 So today, yeah, I've got journalist Jamil Giovanni.

00:01:31.900 You might know him from the Canada Strong and Free Network.

00:01:35.180 He's worked with the McDonnell Laurier Institute.

00:01:37.580 He's a very busy guy.

00:01:39.620 And he got fired from Bell Media with his radio show.

00:01:42.720 And he's suing them and he wants to talk about it.

00:01:45.380 So we're going to have a discussion about that when Jamil comes on a little later.

00:01:49.140 Well, of course, our weekly business check-in with the commodities and marketplace commodities.

00:01:53.940 And I'm actually going to have a second guest on today because we have Shuvaloy Majumder

00:01:57.420 happens to be in the office, so I had to rook him in and get him on the show.

00:02:00.360 He's a monk fellow with the McDonnell Laurier Institute on International Affairs because

00:02:05.880 we have so many international items going on today.

00:02:09.880 Perfect timing to get Shuvaloy Majumder and drag him in here and talk with him about some

00:02:13.120 of these things because Canada is just really, we used to be a world player and nowadays

00:02:19.260 it's just kind of embarrassing.

00:02:20.260 So good to see you all there. Janet, Paulette, Donna, Lee, all of you popping in to say hello.

00:02:25.420 Patricia out and shoving. I'm sure it's nice and windy and cold there as usual.

00:02:29.420 Good to see you. So let's get things off with my ranch.

00:02:32.880 And oh, and don't forget to hang around for the end of the show as I'll have my new dingleberry of the week.

00:02:37.720 One of these days I'll get one of them to show up to claim their award, but there'll be a new dingleberry to award that to today.

00:02:42.880 So let's see what's got me going today. As usual, though, it's not the dingleberry. He already won the first one.

00:02:47.440 The only thing worse than Justin Trudeau in Canada is Justin Trudeau outside of Canada.

00:02:52.480 I mean, whether it was when he popped out on stage in India dancing the Bhangra while playing dress-up in traditional Indian garb,

00:02:58.880 or more recently when he held a karaoke party while in London for the Queen's funeral,

00:03:03.440 the Prime Minister just can't seem to overcome his compulsion to embarrass us whenever he's overseas.

00:03:09.200 If he isn't pulling bizarre attention-seeking stunts, he still embarrasses us at international summits,

00:03:14.520 as we're always treated to footage of international leaders ignoring or even purposely snubbing him at meetings.

00:03:20.140 They don't take him seriously, and they make it clear they haven't time to indulge him when they're having important conversations.

00:03:26.500 Trudeau's latest stunt, though, wasn't due to his trying to grab attention,

00:03:28.960 nor was it another video of his standing on the outside looking in during a gathering.

00:03:33.080 This time, Trudeau managed to put his full intellect on display

00:03:36.620 when he was asked a question he wasn't ready for when he did a presser in Cambodia.

00:03:40.900 CTV reporter Anne Bergeron Oliver asked him,

00:03:43.980 the Canadian parliament has already called China's treatment of the Uyghurs a genocide. Why haven't

00:03:48.600 you? Straightforward question. Trudeau's response was so awkward, it was almost physically painful

00:03:54.200 to watch him. His eyes widened in sudden terror as he knew he'd been caught flat-footed. He looked

00:03:59.540 down in a panic as his notes was surely praying that somebody had written some talking points for

00:04:03.940 him. Then he looked back towards the camera with a true deer-in-the-headlights look. The pause, I

00:04:08.920 mean, it seemed like an eternity and one could almost hear the little hamsters on wheels in his

00:04:12.360 head, desperately trying to compose an answer for him. Finally, Trudeau uttered an odd, disjointed

00:04:19.120 word salad as he babbled about defining genocide and left the question unanswered. Trudeau is

00:04:24.480 utterly incapable of thinking on his feet. He clearly has been directed to not ad lib, and in

00:04:30.040 this case he was probably wise that he didn't try to wing it with an answer. But the leader of a

00:04:34.640 country really should be able to answer questions without scripted answers, though. The other

00:04:38.740 troubling thing with Trudeau's non-response was the clear terror of saying anything negative about

00:04:43.180 China. The world has condemned the Chinese acts of genocide against the Uyghurs. The Canadian

00:04:48.640 Parliament demonstrated rare unity when they voted 266 to 0 to declare a genocide. Look at that blank

00:04:55.880 stare on him there. That's because playing a clip from it. Missing from the vote though was Trudeau

00:04:59.900 and his cabinet. They chose to hide. Just how deeply controlled is Justin Trudeau by China? I

00:05:04.860 mean we've recently been getting word that China had been potentially funding candidates in the

00:05:08.340 2019 federal election. And Trudeau's been sitting on that, actually. I wonder which party those

00:05:13.380 candidates were with. The Chinese hold over Trudeau runs deeper than just some campaign

00:05:17.500 funding, though. China's a rogue state, bullying the world, yet Trudeau will avoid being critical 0.92

00:05:22.040 of them at all opportunities. When the leader of a nation is a fool, it means somebody's behind 0.99

00:05:27.060 them pulling the strings. And unfortunately, our national fool doesn't even appear to be answering 1.00

00:05:30.760 to a domestic master. He dances to the tune of China, much to the embarrassment and detriment 0.99

00:05:35.900 of Canada. Now, since I wrote that early this morning, the clips came out of Trudeau, I guess

00:05:41.920 he had been speaking to the president of China at a summit, and he went and leaked that conversation

00:05:47.720 to the media. I think Trudeau felt compelled to suddenly look like he's sticking a stand

00:05:51.700 against the Chinese and showing some strength. And what happened? Well, then in an unprecedented 0.96

00:05:59.780 Public slapping down, President Xi Jinping of China basically ripped into Trudeau and spanked him in front of the cameras.

00:06:11.180 And it went out on film and people are sharing it around the world.

00:06:13.800 Let's play that clip.

00:06:29.160 If there is, if there is, if there is, if there is a disparity from your part,

00:06:37.160 free and open and frank dialogue, and what we will continue to have, we will continue to work constructively together,

00:06:44.160 but there will be things we will disagree on, you will have to continue.

00:06:47.160 Let's create the conditions first.

00:06:51.160 And of course, Trudeau ran out of the room as fast as he quickly could there.

00:07:09.620 The thing that you can see there is that he's way out of his depth and he does not command the respect of other leaders.

00:07:15.800 He might have opportunities to hold China to account, but it's clear China said, no, no, no, no. 0.73

00:07:21.160 little potato, and that is what they call him, you will answer to us. There was no pretension of 0.92

00:07:27.840 respect for Trudeau when he got dressed down by the head of China there and with Trudeau trying

00:07:33.400 to make a stand for himself. It was just embarrassing and bad all around. Either way,

00:07:37.120 we'll talk a little more with Shuva about that when he comes on in a bit. Let's get on to the

00:07:42.320 other news check in with Dave Naylor and see what else is happening out there in the big bad world.

00:07:46.220 Hey, Dave, how's it going? Oh, Corey, it looks like you did your hair in a wind tunnel today.

00:07:51.160 hey i walk a few blocks to get here mostly because i'm cheap but uh yeah it's pretty windy on the

00:07:56.040 the drive in and uh of course the standard has not given me the the makeup and hair uh

00:08:01.480 you know uh help that i wanted to have around here so we're just gonna have to deal with it

00:08:05.480 yeah that was embarrassing hey uh you know just watching that uh it was like an angry father

00:08:11.560 berating his son and then son scurries off to his bedroom to to sulk i mean that was that was awful

00:08:18.760 And that story is on our website at the moment and listen to that.

00:08:26.760 Other stuff going on, we had the Ontario education workers have again threatened to go on strike.

00:08:33.760 They've given a five day notice from CUPE so they could be on the job or off the job as of Monday.

00:08:41.760 The missile hit in Poland yesterday, which everybody thought initially came from Russia.

00:08:47.760 It turned out to be a Ukrainian defense missile that was trying to shoot down Russian missiles

00:08:54.600 that I guess accidentally landed in Polish territory and killed two people.

00:09:01.060 Our public health agency has been revealed that they spent $43 million on COVID security

00:09:08.820 here. These are the people that, you know, make sure that you are at home and under the

00:09:15.700 quarantining, following the quarantining laws that you should. And I've got a good story,

00:09:22.060 a good spook, I think. Danielle Smith, the Alberta Premier, sent out an email last night

00:09:28.080 pleading for cash. She's about $27,000 short in paying off her campaign bills and she's 0.68

00:09:35.820 asking for a donation. So that's on the site now and lots more stuff to come this afternoon, Corey.

00:09:44.160 Right on, Dave. Well, lots to cover. Well, let's hope Premier Smith catches up on that. She's got

00:09:49.960 a lot of other work to do rather than worrying about... She's going to be a busy lady. Yes. 0.71

00:09:54.460 All right. Thanks, Dave. I'll talk to you. As we can see, lots going on there. Gina, actually,

00:10:01.440 just to respond to one of the commenters saying, why are you meeting the conversation between

00:10:04.300 Trudeau and Z. No, it wasn't. Well, it was muted just because we're playing it in the background

00:10:07.840 to supplement. We did play earlier, Gina, that video in full. And of course it's available. If

00:10:12.340 you just search it online, you can see it and hear it. And it is a little difficult to hear all of it

00:10:16.320 because it's going through translators and things such as that. But that's why it was played. We

00:10:20.480 were, you know, we're muting it because of the conversation, what was going between Dave and I.

00:10:23.960 And as we can see, lots of stories coming out, lots of stuff breaking. And Dave is always on it.

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00:11:01.240 spread the word, and we can keep producing and covering these things. You know, I just, I want

00:11:07.240 to talk a little more about Trudeau and this thing over there, because we're seeing people trying to

00:11:11.640 defend it and things like that. And I know it seems a little rough, because Trudeau gets it

00:11:15.440 coming and going. I mean, my monologue opened up, and I'm getting on Trudeau's case, because he's

00:11:20.500 being too weak with China. And then Trudeau does something to take off China. And I mock him for

00:11:27.060 for the crap he catches when he does it. But you see, it does tie together. The bottom line was 0.99

00:11:31.660 they had Trudeau under their thumb for so long, they didn't think twice before giving him crap 0.99

00:11:36.640 for daring to speak up. They don't think it's his place to speak up outside of what they script him 0.86

00:11:42.020 to say. I mean, I'm sure, you know, I'm not going to go so far to say they're totally directly

00:11:45.620 scripting Trudeau, but he's been subservient and weak to China for a long time. And when he thought

00:11:51.420 he could stand up and show a strong presence on that stage, he was quickly slapped down, reminded

00:11:58.660 of what his place is there. He's the boy with the pretty hair and the socks who likes doing funny

00:12:03.540 dances and things like that. But when it comes to serious diplomacy and actions overseas, he's just

00:12:08.980 not taken seriously and he's out of his depth. And it happens every time he leaves our country,

00:12:14.480 something else happens. And basically the word is diplomacy. If Trudeau wanted to take a stand

00:12:19.440 against China, there's certainly plenty of things to do so with. I mean, he sure was silent for a

00:12:23.660 long time on Huawei and many other things, but basically diplomacy has to be remembered. You

00:12:29.640 have to carefully approach these things. And as was said in that exchange with Trudeau, everything

00:12:34.820 we discussed, this is a quote, has leaked to the newspaper and that's not appropriate. That's not

00:12:39.060 how we do things. And that's true. If you've had a one-on-one with a world leader, you don't go

00:12:44.200 scampering off and leaking it right to the press immediately. And that's what that idiot did. 1.00

00:12:49.540 That is why other world leaders don't take him seriously either. It's not, and I mean, 1.00

00:12:54.720 I know Trudeau's trying to make a point that we do things in the open, but yes, you do most things

00:12:58.260 in the open, but when it's one-on-one, you know, informal diplomatic talks, which are important,

00:13:03.100 that's the reason you go to these things in person rather than doing it all through Zoom meetings.

00:13:07.720 So you can have those interactions, those exchanges, those building relationships,

00:13:11.340 or trying to influence each other.

00:13:14.820 And when Prime Minister Pinhead went and took what was assumed to be confidential discussions

00:13:19.680 and went straight to the press with them, he enraged his counterpart.

00:13:24.140 And I know China's not somebody, you know, we shouldn't be afraid of enraging them all the time.

00:13:27.720 But you also don't pointlessly enrage them.

00:13:30.660 You know, you, as I said, practice diplomacy.

00:13:34.120 Trudeau is incapable of it.

00:13:35.780 I said it on Twitter recently.

00:13:37.100 Somebody's got to take his passport away, keep him in Canada.

00:13:40.600 I know he embarrasses us when he's here too, but at least it'll be a little less so

00:13:47.200 than when he's overseas. And foreign press, which aren't controlled by the federal government with

00:13:52.360 things like C-11, will report on it and make international news. So let's see some of the

00:13:59.080 other stuff. You know, we're basically seeing it coming all the way down the line that the

00:14:02.800 hearings have been going on and on on the Emergencies Act and whether or not it was

00:14:07.420 justified whether or not the government needed to. And basically every level of police now have

00:14:12.140 testified to say, no, we did not need to invoke, and I love people sugarcoating this, the

00:14:17.700 Emergencies Act. It's a form of martial law. I had that debate online with some of these turd

00:14:25.020 polishers for the Trudeau bunch, you know. Oh, it's not a suspension of human rights. Of course

00:14:30.820 it is. That's exactly what the Emergencies Act is. It's saying an emergency is so dire that we're

00:14:37.200 going to lift the charter rights of people to address this emergency, temporarily, thankfully,

00:14:42.700 and then move on. Of course you're suspending rights. You can't steal people's bank accounts

00:14:48.780 without suspending charter rights. You can't force tow truck drivers into coerced labor

00:14:53.560 without suspending charter rights. The Emergencies Act, I tell you, if you look at the definition of

00:14:59.660 martial law, that's exactly what it is when the government suspends civil rights, no matter what

00:15:04.980 the reasoning may be for it. Maybe it is. I mean, some people think it was worth it. Okay, fine.

00:15:09.480 But let's not pretend it is, you know, it's not what it was. It was a suspension of rights. It has

00:15:14.940 to be taken seriously. And every policing force, because that was the main point a lot of them had

00:15:18.920 to make him minister, Mendocino, the minister of lies. That's all he does. I mean, I think the guy's

00:15:24.020 incapable of telling the truth. He said multiple times that police asked Justin Trudeau's government

00:15:29.640 to implement the Emergencies Act.

00:15:32.260 Every police force in Canada said, no, we did not.

00:15:36.940 From the Ottawa Police to the Ontario Provincial Police

00:15:40.420 to the RCMP to CSIS, all of them said they did not ask for it.

00:15:47.900 And now even Trudeau's pet RCMP Commissioner, Brenda Luckey,

00:15:52.860 said she didn't believe the Emergencies Act was needed

00:15:54.920 to clear out the convoy protesters.

00:15:57.240 So, who did? Excuse me, so why? Well, here's an interesting one. You know, so Lucky emailed that, by the way, to Mendocino earlier prior to the implementation of the act, but it didn't seem to matter.

00:16:13.480 And we're hearing things that came out, and this was reported in Black Locks, that, and I'll get on that in a minute. So, that Trudeau considered the convoy an international embarrassment. See, that's what the real reason was.

00:16:27.240 it was embarrassing him. It was making international news. I mean, he does seem to be

00:16:32.020 tone deaf enough not to realize that he embarrasses himself just all on his own. He doesn't need

00:16:37.140 a convoy in order to do that. He's very well capable of doing it. But sure, it made him look

00:16:41.800 like he was out of control, which he was. It made him look like the country didn't respect him,

00:16:45.900 which we don't. And yes, he had a large contingent of protesters camped out in Ottawa. He didn't

00:16:50.880 know what to do. He panicked, and he invoked the nuclear option, and he had his little lackey

00:16:56.160 gag meet Singh happily sign off on it because you know Singh just does whatever he's told as well

00:17:00.720 and they imposed the emergencies act so uh just uh basically we used the strongest tool in the

00:17:09.040 legislative arsenal to try and protect Justin Trudeau's flimsy pride and personal insecurities

00:17:16.320 and these hearings are exposing that unfortunately you know all of this when it comes out when it

00:17:21.040 it comes to the end of things, okay, maybe Justice Rouleau will wag his finger and don't do that

00:17:27.640 again. But you know, there's not really going to be a consequence for any of this. There should be

00:17:31.400 an electoral consequence, but I don't know. Toronto, Montreal seem to love that guy as much as they

00:17:36.280 ever did. But at least we are airing it. I mean, the hearings are still valuable, finding out some

00:17:42.140 of what went on. We really, really have to watch our personal freedoms carefully. I wish more people

00:17:47.840 would understand that. You know, the polarization. Stand up for the rights of people you don't even

00:17:53.880 agree with. Likewise, with even those jackasses who keep blocking the CGL pipeline in BC or the

00:18:02.540 idiots gluing themselves to paintings. I want them charged. I think it's illegal, but we don't need 1.00

00:18:08.520 to suspend the rights of everybody to try and crack down on that. It's way too big a price to pay

00:18:14.600 to do that.

00:18:18.460 Kim is saying,

00:18:19.220 is anything I'm saying

00:18:19.900 being reported in any fashion

00:18:20.760 by the legacy media?

00:18:22.060 Some of it is.

00:18:23.160 You know, to give credit where I do,

00:18:24.220 Terry Glavin with the National Post

00:18:25.700 wrote a very good piece

00:18:27.680 on basically Trudeau's embarrassment

00:18:30.500 in China with the leader of China

00:18:33.020 with his overseas thing,

00:18:34.760 where he's dressing down.

00:18:35.820 He gave a lot more background

00:18:36.640 on the relationship

00:18:37.520 between Canada and Trudeau and China.

00:18:41.380 So some of them are covering it.

00:18:43.100 Glavin also basically, though,

00:18:44.280 got very spanked and rolled over the coals because he dared to write and report on the

00:18:49.900 Kamloops residential school story and point out that, you know, we still haven't found any bodies

00:18:55.020 and maybe there might be some questions about whether that even is a grave site. But

00:18:59.620 yeah, some of the media is covering it, but you got to look for it. And there's less and less of

00:19:04.880 it. That's for sure. C-11, things like that. They're making sure that the media is beholden

00:19:09.220 to the federal government. So they are very disinclined to be critical of them. Cheryl

00:19:13.460 saying nobody's going to be held accountable from the inquiry? No, probably not. You know,

00:19:17.080 the real way to hold them accountable, and that's where it starts to get scary,

00:19:20.080 is electorally though. I mean, in theory, we should be able to get up, get out there and fire

00:19:24.680 these guys. And people aren't doing it. They aren't doing it. They keep reelecting them. They

00:19:29.680 keep rewarding them for their bad behavior. So I guess it's not much of a surprise in that case

00:19:35.360 when they continue to misbehave, right? But eventually you would think people will turn

00:19:41.280 around and fire them. You see, that's part of why they start controlling communications. That's why

00:19:45.600 they're trying to control the media. That's why they have things like C-18, C-11. They're going

00:19:50.980 after the ability to get word out and have them fired. And that's scary. It's very frightening.

00:19:56.760 You know, every country, every new democracy, everyone that gets formed always ensures that

00:20:04.500 the freedom of press is paramount because people understand it's a very, very important freedom.

00:20:10.100 I mean, if you can't report freely on your government, you are not in a free country.

00:20:16.140 And this freedom most definitely bothers Justin Trudeau and his administration, and they are trying to control it.

00:20:23.920 And we need to be more concerned.

00:20:26.060 Michael Geist, he writes a lot on, he's a professor, writes a lot on these issues.

00:20:30.500 Really, people should follow that and look into it.

00:20:33.120 Because when they're trying so hard to control what gets to you, this is moving towards an authoritarian state.

00:20:38.600 And it's very, very distressing. We need more press, not less. We need free press. We need

00:20:44.500 them to be unrestrained. We need them to be able to speak to issues without fear of reprisal.

00:20:50.520 And we're moving away from that. And it's bad for all of us, whether, again, whether you support

00:20:56.360 or not support. I honestly, I would not support for a second, a crackdown on a progressive media

00:21:04.240 outlet that I didn't like. I just would rather people watched us instead. But I don't want the

00:21:08.300 state to be the ones doing that. We can't have that. They can't cherry pick, pick and choose

00:21:12.900 which is a good outlet and which isn't. You got to leave it open. Okay, let's get on to our guest.

00:21:17.380 You've heard enough of me rambling for quite a while. I've been looking forward to this.

00:21:22.560 And we've got Jamil Giovanni on and he's a very, very busy guy, this one. He's with the

00:21:29.960 mcdonald laurier institute he's the senior fellow for diversity and empowerment there

00:21:35.160 he's also the president of the canada strong and free network he's a lawyer he's a former radio

00:21:41.320 host and he's pissed off so uh let's bring him in and talk about what happened with him in bell

00:21:45.600 media hey glad to have you on the show yeah thanks for having me cory i appreciate it yeah well like

00:21:51.440 i said i was actually just i was planning on reaching out to try and get you on because of

00:21:54.640 your stuff for the canada strong and free network and then you were talking about that that lawsuit

00:21:58.000 there's lots to talk about and it works well today i mean as you might have heard a little

00:22:02.960 bit of my earlier talk where we really got some concerns about our media and allowing you know

00:22:07.520 good unfettered discourse uh on our media and things such as that and perhaps if you want to

00:22:12.720 lay out kind of what happened with yourself and bell media because it really seems to have ended

00:22:17.440 poorly when it could have really been a good show you had going there yeah and you know i think

00:22:22.000 we've seen a lot of concerns you raised some of them earlier about the intersection of politics

00:22:27.920 and media that we'd like to be able to say we've got trusted media outlets that are going to give

00:22:34.240 us the honest news and leave it up to the audience the viewer the listener to make a decision on their

00:22:40.640 own about what they believe in what they think and i think we see over and over again that that's

00:22:45.280 not really the state of mainstream media in this country a lot of these um mainstream media

00:22:50.800 corporations and certainly my experience with bell media affirms this are interested in telling

00:22:57.040 us what to think not giving us information and allowing us to come to our own conclusions and

00:23:03.120 really the conflict with bell for me you know i wasn't there for very long i only hosted a radio

00:23:08.800 show full time for less than a year and what i tried to do which is what i thought you know when

00:23:15.200 they were talking about diversity and inclusion and wanting to bring different voices from different

00:23:20.960 cultural and ethnic backgrounds to the airwaves i tried to bring perspectives from communities

00:23:27.040 that, you know, like the Black community I come from in the Toronto area, for instance,

00:23:32.140 and to shine light on some of the challenges that you don't get to hear often. For example,

00:23:37.340 that Black Canadians are one of the most unvaccinated groups of Canadians over the last

00:23:42.980 couple of years. And when I tried to explain, you know, how Trudeau's COVID policies, how some of

00:23:49.700 the provincial COVID policies would impact communities like Black Canadians, Indigenous

00:23:54.220 Canadians, people who are working on the front lines in all sorts of different industries,

00:23:59.220 I would get told, you know, this is not right. Eventually, they wound up firing me because they

00:24:05.100 didn't like that I was bringing these perspectives to the airwaves. But they did want me to bring

00:24:09.920 the perspective when it was in line with the sort of liberal political agenda. So, you know,

00:24:15.700 the partisan nature of what Bell Media does every day, and for listeners who don't know,

00:24:20.260 bell media owns ctv they operate the iheart radio talk network throughout canada um you know they

00:24:27.440 do have a partisan nature to what they want to put on the airwaves that they're not willing to

00:24:32.760 admit to and then they punish people like myself who don't fall into that agenda thinking that

00:24:38.400 because i'm black that i would naturally be a liberal when obviously that's not the case

00:24:42.820 well yeah and i mean we still have some valuable value and diverse voices and we want to hear them

00:24:48.340 Like, I'm a white guy raised out on the prairies.

00:24:51.840 I've certainly got my views on issues, but I don't have any understanding of what a person of color in Toronto has had to experience or do.

00:25:00.480 And being able to hear that through different people speaking on networks helps me garner some understanding.

00:25:06.520 And if, I guess, people, you know, we're seeking diversity, but only with a narrow messaging, that's not helping me or the minority communities in any sort of way.

00:25:16.520 And you're absolutely right, Corey.

00:25:17.940 And that's the, that's the concern. When you have the biggest telecommunications company in the

00:25:23.200 country, thinking that they get to tell people what they're supposed to think based on their

00:25:28.980 ethnicity or their culture. I mean, that is weird stuff that like, that is not the way any workplace

00:25:34.920 should operate, but especially one of that with that much influence and that much power as Bell

00:25:40.240 does. So this is why the lawsuit was important for me to file was to sort of say, look, you cannot

00:25:45.980 treat people this way you can't look at people and say well because of what you look like or

00:25:50.060 because of where your dad comes from we're going to decide what politics you should have and then

00:25:55.260 punish you when you refuse to be a token it's unacceptable and for people who might listen to

00:26:00.620 this and question you know how much evidence does jamil have of this kind of partisan bias is it just

00:26:06.380 you know the the the normal liberal spin that we might see in the media i'll tell you bell media

00:26:12.460 in its own statement of defense, and you can read this, go on my Twitter, you can find a link to

00:26:17.120 this, says outright that they fired me in part because I did not defend Justin Trudeau against

00:26:24.940 criticisms that a caller made to my show saying that he was behaving like a dictator and a

00:26:31.800 globalist puppet. Now, whether you agree with that or not, that is a legitimate concern for

00:26:37.060 people to have. We have members of parliament who have raised that point in the legislature

00:26:41.820 and yet Bell wants to punish a radio host for allowing a caller to say that on the radio show.

00:26:47.660 The other point of partisan bias that Bell admits to in their statement of defense to the court,

00:26:53.100 and again, this is in their words. You can read it for yourself, anyone who's interested.

00:26:57.320 They say that I did not challenge Member of Parliament Kathy Wegenthal enough when she came

00:27:03.080 on my show to explain why she opposes vaccine mandates. Now, why am I supposed to bring a duly

00:27:10.240 elected member of parliament onto the show and not give her a chance to share her point of view we

00:27:15.520 did debate her points with callers immediately after the interview but i think a conservative

00:27:21.520 member of parliament has a right to come on the radio and explain why she opposes policies that

00:27:26.880 impact her and her colleagues at the workplace these are the kind of basic simple things that

00:27:31.840 every news outlet should be able to do and yet with bell media this is controversial and it's

00:27:38.000 mind-blowing to me. Yeah, well, and it's interesting you brought up that point, for example,

00:27:42.880 with vaccination and some of the areas you wanted to discuss where you've got, you know, cultural

00:27:46.560 differences. We've just got statistics and demographics to show that there wasn't as high

00:27:50.540 an uptake in some communities as in others. And we actually had that discussion a lot in Calgary

00:27:54.680 because in Northeast Calgary, a lot of our Indian community as well had a low vaccine uptake and

00:28:00.220 people were concerned about it. And we had to speak and get the views from community leaders

00:28:04.980 because a lot were new Canadians, they weren't necessarily trusting of the government or medical

00:28:08.780 facilities. And through those discussions that people felt more comfortable and could, you know,

00:28:14.460 well, choose whether or not they were going to be vaccinated. But that discussion was valuable,

00:28:18.220 and it was important. And to have it just coming from one side or saying we shouldn't even touch

00:28:22.800 those issues, again, is putting communities at harm. You're absolutely right. And this is gets

00:28:27.960 to sort of the phoniness of this whole diversity and inclusion thing, you know, there's a genuine

00:28:34.100 way to do diversity and inclusion. And I think it's what you're talking about here, Corey,

00:28:38.280 bring people in with different perspectives, trying to understand one another, trying to

00:28:42.500 build genuine dialogue. But what Bell operates with is a sense of diversity and inclusion that

00:28:48.540 says we want everyone to look different from one another, but ultimately think and say the same

00:28:54.380 things. And if you don't fall in line, if you don't say and do what we want, then you don't

00:29:00.120 count as diversity. And it's like, what is that? That is the opposite of what diversity is.

00:29:06.140 Diversity means actually contending with people who have different points of view and trying to

00:29:10.340 reach a middle ground. These guys want to punish people who don't have their point of view and then

00:29:15.600 pat themselves on the back as if they're diversity and inclusion experts. It's like, it is actually a

00:29:22.960 really important issue facing our country because this is not just a bell problem. This is happening

00:29:27.820 at institutions all over the place, government offices, corporations, university campuses.

00:29:33.960 And I think it's time for Canadians who believe in real diversity and inclusion to speak up and

00:29:39.200 stop being bullied into silence because we're afraid somebody's going to point a finger at us

00:29:44.040 and call us a bigot because we don't want to toe the line. Yeah, well, and this could be like a bit

00:29:49.340 broader. I think of some of it. I mean, there's some people who are activists within some

00:29:53.200 communities or progressives. And they feel some fear when I think perhaps conservatives are

00:29:58.020 evolving and moving beyond the old stereotypes of conservatives as well. And that adds some fear.

00:30:04.340 I mean, when finally, and it's fair enough, you know, the conservatives didn't have a lot of

00:30:07.720 members of the LGBTQ community taking part within them in the 90s and so on. But that's because 0.71

00:30:13.140 people from that community got a very negative reception when they'd go to a conservative

00:30:16.620 function. There were people opposing broad marriage rights and things like that. But

00:30:20.740 once it was realized we could be much better accepting, you know, because there's a lot of

00:30:27.220 people in the LGBTQ community who are business owners and worried about high taxes like anyone

00:30:32.000 else. They come out as conservatives, and they get a backlash for that. I mean, it doesn't mean

00:30:37.720 they stopped being a member of that community or didn't deal with some of the challenges of that

00:30:40.820 community, but they're expected by some activists that they have to toe a certain line if they're

00:30:45.160 part of that community. And that's not right. Yeah. And certainly you're right. The LGBT community

00:30:51.020 has gone through that. A lot of minority groups have gone through that. I've been able to talk

00:30:56.220 to all sorts of different people in my role as president of the Canada Strong and Free Network

00:31:00.320 who experienced this sort of stigma where when you say you're a conservative, but you're not the

00:31:06.140 quote unquote typical conservative, meaning you come from maybe an unorthodox background

00:31:11.060 for what people assume a conservative would be. All of a sudden, people want to make you feel

00:31:15.980 judged for that. And that is, it is, in my view, despicable, because the reality is this,

00:31:21.400 every group of people is ideologically and politically diverse. Every single group,

00:31:26.860 women, men, different racial groups, newcomers, people who were born here.

00:31:31.760 And we should expect in a society that political parties of all stripes have to compete for the

00:31:38.260 votes and the support of all citizens, regardless of what they look like, or they come from. And

00:31:43.520 the reality is that the left and I use that in a broad sense, you know, liberals, socialists,

00:31:48.940 people who identify the left side of the political spectrum, they feel entitled to own people to own

00:31:56.200 their votes to own how they think to dictate to people based on what they look like and where

00:32:01.100 they come from, how they're supposed to think about laws and policies in this country. It is

00:32:06.340 textbook racism and yet somehow the liberals and the left have convinced everyone that they aren't

00:32:13.600 racist and they get to point a finger at the rest of the world. It is very backwards because I would

00:32:18.740 argue that some of the most racist thinking today is embraced by elite liberals. It's not embraced

00:32:25.640 by the average working class, middle class family. It's people like what we've been talking about with

00:32:31.120 Bell Media who want to control others and tell them this is how you must think and feel because

00:32:36.980 of what you look like. And there are a few things more insulting than tokenism. I mean, no matter

00:32:41.240 where it's applied. What's the timeline like on your action at this point? I know these things

00:32:46.640 can move pretty slowly through the, you know, the gears of the legal world. I mean, how's the

00:32:50.800 suit been going? Yeah, you're absolutely right. These things can move slowly. It all kind of just

00:32:56.080 depends on the people involved. It depends on how the process goes. You know, we've gone through

00:33:00.760 what's called the pleading stage where we submitted our statement of claim bell submitted

00:33:04.900 their defense and then we replied to their defense so you know we've got those those pieces of the

00:33:10.340 process done and the rest of it can take uh could take months could take weeks we just we don't know

00:33:15.140 yet so we've got to just stay you know focused and you know it's it's one of those things where

00:33:19.900 it's difficult to read uh dishonest things about yourself in the media and i think every public

00:33:25.820 figure goes through that bell said some things that were really unfair in their defense but this

00:33:32.240 is that comes with it you know you go through the process you stand up for what you believe in

00:33:36.060 you take the hits as they come and you hope that you get justice in the end so that's what i'm

00:33:41.480 focused on and you know we're gonna we're gonna keep doing our thing and hopefully good things

00:33:45.400 will come out of it yeah well and i noticed in your statement of claim you know the the asks as

00:33:49.460 far as this kind of suit go aren't unreasonable it's not like you're asking for 100 million

00:33:53.200 dollars or trying to bankrupt the corporation you want to be compensated for an improper dismissal

00:33:58.700 and there's a punitive factor but it's not huge but I guess most of us also is hopefully exposing

00:34:03.160 this and the goal would be for Bell Media and others to realize you're on the wrong course

00:34:08.560 don't do this it's it's doing a disservice to people who follow the media people within

00:34:14.400 minority communities and just people in general yeah you're exactly right I mean there are you

00:34:20.600 know, good people who work at Bell, like some of my former

00:34:23.480 colleagues, for example, and they should not be subjected to

00:34:26.660 these kinds of policies, I worry, whether some of them are

00:34:30.360 going to be fired and manipulated and punished in the

00:34:33.860 same ways. So yeah, it is, it's, you know, money's, you know,

00:34:37.200 always part of every lawsuit. But really, you know, there's a

00:34:40.040 there's a point here beyond just money, which is that there are

00:34:44.180 there's a right and a wrong, there's a way people deserve to

00:34:46.880 be treated, employees of all backgrounds, all races, deserve high quality respect. And when

00:34:53.480 they're not being given that, especially by one of the biggest and richest corporations in the

00:34:58.260 country, I think that corporation, in this case, Bell, has to answer for its own behavior.

00:35:03.900 Yeah, well, and I hope this gets settled well. So maybe moving beyond that then,

00:35:08.340 just since I've got you, how are things going with the Canada Strong and Free Network? Can

00:35:12.480 you explain a little bit of what that's about and your role with it? Because that's a relatively

00:35:15.640 really recent, you're joining it as the president of it, right?

00:35:19.080 Yeah, exactly. I joined in June. So it's only been a few months now. And for people who haven't

00:35:24.160 heard of the Canada Strong and Free Network before, we used to be called the Manning Centre.

00:35:28.480 So we've been around for 15 years, but most of those years we had a different name. And what we

00:35:33.560 do is we organize conservative conferences all around the country, conservative events. We want

00:35:39.260 conservatives to connect with each other. We believe that there's strength in numbers.

00:35:42.920 and we also believe conservatives should not be made to feel alone to feel isolated a lot of you

00:35:49.160 know the the activist tactics on the left are designed to make you feel like you are an island

00:35:55.340 unto yourself if you don't go along to get along and join the crowd so we do these conferences

00:36:00.340 because we want to bring people together bring people of different ages whether it's people who

00:36:04.620 are active when Preston Manning was in political office or people who are active when Stephen Harper

00:36:10.140 was the prime minister of Canada, or now people who are looking at maybe the future, looking at

00:36:15.000 excited about a possible Pierre Polyev prime ministership and saying, I want to get involved

00:36:20.340 in the movement and start, you know, building ideas and networks and relationships that might

00:36:25.940 help guide the country in a better direction. So we encourage people who'd like to come to our

00:36:30.740 events to learn about what we do. We do virtual events and in-person events. You can visit our

00:36:35.380 website, canadastrongandfree.network, where you can learn all about us. Our next big conference

00:36:41.080 is in Ottawa in March. So I encourage you to look out for updates on that. I'm really excited for

00:36:46.600 what we're putting together for that March program. Great. Well, I really appreciate your

00:36:51.300 work. I mean, in that as well, I mean, it's good for getting a lot of young conservatives or even

00:36:54.920 the older ones. I mean, just to become more effective communicators or working on things

00:36:59.360 and as well, of course, I mean, I got some self-interest, but I want to see as much

00:37:03.580 free press as possible and as much discourse as possible. So I appreciate your, you know,

00:37:09.020 you're taking that fight up rather than just letting it go and putting it behind you. And

00:37:13.260 of course, I appreciate you coming on and talking to us today. Is there anything else you'd like to

00:37:17.500 add before I let you go? No, I just want to say, you know, I really appreciate the work you do,

00:37:21.360 Corey. Like I spent a lot of time talking about where media is failing, but we've got a lot of

00:37:27.020 strong, new, independent outlets, shows like yours, thinkers like you and others at Western

00:37:33.240 Standard. So appreciate the work you guys do to bring attention to these important issues.

00:37:37.760 Great. Well, I wish you the best on your legal actions and your future endeavors with the

00:37:41.720 McDonnell Laurier and the Canadian Strong and Free Network. So thanks again for coming on. I hope we

00:37:45.740 get to talk again soon. Me too. Take care. Thanks. So yes, that was Jamil Giovanni. And as we heard,

00:37:52.300 He's really pushing back.

00:37:54.180 He's not taking things lightly.

00:37:56.560 And who should, you know, when you feel you've been incorrectly fired.

00:37:59.300 And especially, again, it's not just somebody from a run-of-the-mill job

00:38:02.060 fired for a run-of-the-mill reason.

00:38:04.540 This is distressing.

00:38:05.800 This is control of messaging.

00:38:07.640 This is the threat that every media outlet is under right now.

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00:39:03.160 group so yeah you know I just want to piggyback more on the communication media c11 c18 these

00:39:09.820 threats. And these threats we have too, in some ways that are more insidious, we don't see what's

00:39:14.400 going on in those communications behind closed doors. And, you know, Jamil exposed it. We've

00:39:19.500 seen that with some CBC reporters who've left and started their sub stacks and said, you know,

00:39:23.240 I just couldn't take the control anymore, the controlling of the messaging. And it's got to

00:39:27.900 hurt, you know, for those who did go, were drawn to journalism, the ones that, you know, went to

00:39:33.160 school for it, rose through the ranks, did their time in the field, and then to find out they can't

00:39:37.620 actually get their own messaging out there. I mean, again, it depends on what you're doing,

00:39:42.220 you know, whether a reporter or a columnist or opinion or what you're choosing to talk about.

00:39:46.160 But in a discussion show format, such as what Jamil had on that radio show, that's where you

00:39:51.060 definitely want to see a lot of point of views. It's a show like this. I mean, it's getting out

00:39:55.460 there. It's speaking. And when it's strangled, nobody's winning. And you don't hear about that.

00:40:00.360 He's exposing it. That's what's good about this, you know. And that's something that happened

00:40:03.880 before with Daniel Smith. Here's some of the irony, you know, at Global Chorus, you know, that whole

00:40:10.240 network, and it was QR 77 was the radio station Calgary where she had her show. And boy, if you

00:40:16.100 want to listen to a lot of anti-Smith stuff, listen to some of those radio shows now, man, they are

00:40:20.340 crabby at Premier Smith. But of course, she left them. And not only did she leave them, though,

00:40:25.480 she exposed them. Because when she went out, she showed, she talked about some of the communications

00:40:31.300 coming from John Voss on, you know, some of the spankings she got for interviewing who they

00:40:35.440 thought were the wrong people or talking about the wrong subjects. And one of the worst, I think,

00:40:41.680 of all of them was with Kaylin Ford, who she suffered from a complete character assassination 1.00

00:40:48.780 from an idiot. And then that was picked up by CBC and Duncan Kinney and Press Progress and a whole 0.98

00:40:55.900 bunch of others. And she's pushing back and she's suing and I wish her every success on this.

00:41:00.820 Kaylin Ford is not taking that lightly, but during that period, basically, there was a bunch of BS

00:41:07.260 released about Kaylin Ford when she was running for the nomination for the UCP, and she is a very

00:41:12.600 smart young woman. She would have been fantastic, I think, in the UCP cabinet and still be there

00:41:16.520 today, but they basically slaughtered her, pushed her out of her spot for that nomination, or I think

00:41:21.000 she was already nominated, and she ended up giving it up, but she never ran the election, and it

00:41:24.660 turned out, again, it was all lies. Well, Daniel Smith dared to have Kaylin Smith on her show.

00:41:30.820 or Cailin Smith, Cailin Ford, dared to have her on and just let her speak her point of view.

00:41:36.140 That's all. Exactly what you're supposed to do as a radio host. And the woke mob went ballistic.

00:41:43.720 But you got to remember, you see, this is tied to Duncan Kinney. This is tied to Press Progress,

00:41:46.700 which is tied to the Broadband Institute, which is tied to Alberta Federation of Labor and old

00:41:51.940 Gil McGowan. They get their union maggots to get out there and start screaming at sponsors

00:41:56.980 and to get out there and start shouting down and basically that's what happened is they screamed

00:42:02.880 they phoned every sponsor for that show they phoned every outlet and they those sponsors got scared

00:42:08.020 they phoned qr 77 and that interview was pulled it's not even in the archives anymore and smith

00:42:14.780 was spanked and told don't you do that again that's the state of media and people didn't know

00:42:19.400 that they didn't hear much about that because that was behind closed doors but once smith left 0.87

00:42:22.760 then she explained what she was being put through when she was in that station no wonder she chafed

00:42:27.840 there and like i said the irony okay you guys didn't like her but you know what if you treated

00:42:31.880 her better she would have stayed in radio and she wouldn't be the premier today you guys you sure

00:42:36.640 can't stand her as a premier but maybe you would have liked her better if she was still with the

00:42:40.720 radio show but our outlets are suffering but i mean again we're expanding we're getting better

00:42:45.880 and uh i like to think that things will develop i mean we will come out of these um assaults on

00:42:52.620 free press, assaults on free speech, and free discourse. And I look at some of this, this is

00:42:58.040 some of the stuff that, you know, getting to Bell again, they were whining to a Senate

00:43:03.020 Communications Committee, because they're looking for more handouts, looking for more subsidies,

00:43:07.120 looking for more bailouts. And here's a quote from it, they wrote to senators saying,

00:43:11.200 local media in Canada is in a crisis pre-pandemic combined annual advertising revenues for television

00:43:15.240 and radio stations, local ones, declined by 700 million from 3.8 billion in 2010 to 3.1

00:43:22.600 one in 2019. And that's before the pandemic. Now that's because the world's changing guys

00:43:28.940 and you aren't adapting with it. You're dinosaurs. You suck. You've got to learn to pivot or maybe it

00:43:35.920 just, maybe it's beyond repair. Maybe we do have to let these outlets go broke. Uh, likewise with

00:43:41.100 the newspapers, unfortunately, it's sad to see it go. It really is. I mean, I've talked about that.

00:43:44.800 You know, I used to love the big thick Sunday sun that I would get on Sundays and drink my coffee

00:43:49.460 in my bathrobe and nurse my hangover and smoke my cigarettes and read through that great big

00:43:54.300 thick Sunday newspaper with all the opinion and news and everything packed into it, even the

00:43:57.980 cartoons. Now, I mean, you know, you can't even line a birdcage with a newspaper. It's so thin,

00:44:03.180 there's so little to it because they can't afford to make it bigger. The advertising has changed.

00:44:07.040 The world has changed. Things have gone online and these publications are going down. They don't

00:44:12.600 know how to adapt themselves to this, but too damn bad, too damn bad. And so they're talking

00:44:18.780 about how local television and, and local, uh, you know, radio outlets can't make money in this

00:44:24.120 market. Thus we have, we have to subsidize them and bail them out. No, no. Look how cost effectively

00:44:30.980 we can come up with local things. The Western standard, we're here with a studio. We've got a

00:44:34.580 great product going out. We've got good sound. We've got Nico on it. And we are doing this for

00:44:40.100 a fraction of the cost of these old dinosaurs. That's the thing. I think, you know, they're,

00:44:44.920 They're too big to sustain themselves anymore.

00:44:46.920 They don't know how to do lean production anymore.

00:44:52.100 They're just too bloated, too overmanaged.

00:44:55.160 Maybe they're even running old equipment, but they just can't change.

00:44:59.420 So maybe it's time just to let them go by the wayside.

00:45:02.700 Something will come up.

00:45:03.820 Bailing them out isn't the way to do it.

00:45:05.020 That's not going to encourage them to streamline themselves and come up with a better product and a profitable product.

00:45:13.420 I mean, we're finding that here, the standard, it's a tough go. We're not all rolling and lucre

00:45:16.940 here. There's not a giant amounts of money, but we're getting by and we're doing all right. And

00:45:21.220 we're expanding, uh, you know, people have subscribed and, uh, yeah, we learned some hard

00:45:27.000 lessons and, uh, we had some successes and others like true North, like rebel, uh, even, you know,

00:45:33.780 progressive ones, Canada land, though. I kind of wonder about some of the crap they gave air to, 0.96

00:45:37.900 but they might get sued over that. So we'll see what happens there. Um, media will adapt. 0.98

00:45:43.420 voices will adapt but that's where we got to watch out for again c11 c18 efforts to actually 0.68

00:45:51.100 make it illegal for you to get your message out there or very much more difficult to bypass the

00:45:54.760 old channels that's it then it starts getting pretty scary uh let's see let's look at a little

00:45:59.500 more new stuff here satellites this is something one of my pet subjects anyways because i spent

00:46:03.140 years in the arctic and i get frustrated with our lack of development there but i guess the

00:46:07.040 satellites we have we some of canada's surveillance of the arctic you gotta remember our arctic is

00:46:11.660 our most vulnerable border. It really is. I mean, it bounds with Russia and a whole lot of other

00:46:17.140 nations that poke around up there. And we can't watch it very closely. I mean, it's pretty damn

00:46:21.280 tough to get up there. And we had satellites dedicated to that. We spent the money. We put

00:46:25.780 them up there to watch. Well, they're coming to their end in 2026. They're wearing out.

00:46:31.560 And, you know, renewal in this statement as well of aircraft, satellites, infrastructure,

00:46:36.640 it's all been delayed and basically it's falling apart you know we're gonna get to a point pretty

00:46:42.340 soon i think where putin's gonna be able to go up there and set up oil rigs and drill and and and

00:46:46.740 just uh you know fill up uh tankers in summertime and just pump it out of there and we wouldn't even

00:46:51.580 know they're doing it much less be able to do anything to stop it we got this uh we'll see

00:46:56.660 ongoing maintenance and refit costs for canada's submarine fleet and they top three billion right

00:47:01.520 now. And they've been in dry dock since they spent another year dry dock this year. They're

00:47:08.240 not even out there and we're spending billions trying to fix these things up. And fleet, they

00:47:12.680 aren't nuclear. And I'm not talking about for nuclear weapons. If people understand nuclear

00:47:16.480 submarines, I mean, you think of submarines, the engines run, they consume oxygen. When they go

00:47:22.680 underwater, the older ones, the diesel ones, they go on battery power so they can go underwater.

00:47:26.380 with, of course, this limited time you can stay. And the modern, the modern, I should say, nuclear

00:47:31.800 subs have been around since the 70s, though Canada doesn't have any of them. They are nuclear powered

00:47:37.040 so they can get underwater and stay under for a long, long time, which means they can get under

00:47:41.600 the ice caps. They can get into the Arctic. Canada is one of the world's largest Arctic nations and

00:47:46.840 we can't even get there. We're still spending billions trying to fix up these old diesel subs.

00:47:51.320 If people remember the history of those, we bought them used from England back in the 90s,

00:47:57.000 and I believe it killed one or two of our sailors when they were just trying to transport them here

00:48:00.860 because they had a fire on board of one of them.

00:48:03.400 You know, we got money to pour all over the place, it seems.

00:48:08.240 But when it comes to these important things, I mean, that kind of ties into our international reputation too,

00:48:13.540 why we aren't respected overseas, why foreign leaders don't respect us,

00:48:18.300 because we don't pull our own weight.

00:48:21.180 I mean, I understand we only have, what, 38 million people here.

00:48:23.700 We only have so much money.

00:48:24.520 We're not going to have a large standing army.

00:48:26.780 But if we want to participate on the world scene as a player, we want to be that world-class nation,

00:48:33.500 we can't even get to our own Arctic.

00:48:37.480 Of course they don't take us seriously.

00:48:40.000 And it's not just Trudeau.

00:48:41.620 This has been a long decline.

00:48:43.700 you know the defunding and degradation of our defense and military has been going on for a

00:48:50.960 long time Trudeau is just the latest of them and I mean finding that balance I don't know

00:48:56.120 I don't want to see some you know money expended where we're carrying a standing force of hundreds

00:49:01.720 of thousands of soldiers we don't need it and it doesn't warrant it but we should certainly be able

00:49:05.500 to get to every corner of our country every one of them including the arctic and we don't have

00:49:10.300 nuclear icebreakers. We don't have nuclear subs. We can't even get up there. If people want to look

00:49:14.920 it up, look into the Rangers program. They've still got those guys up there with Ross rifles

00:49:20.020 going around on snowmobiles. I mean, it's kind of a make work thing for some people up there.

00:49:24.460 It was an important thing back in the Cold War because yes, you did actually need people that

00:49:28.380 far north to watch for things. You're suddenly seeing Russian planes coming overhead or missiles

00:49:32.720 or something like that. You know, that'd be that first line of defense, the dew line. But now

00:49:37.820 We do have more modern ways to deal with these things,

00:49:42.100 but we have to upgrade our equipment to doing it.

00:49:44.840 And we aren't doing it.

00:49:46.520 We just seem to be spending our money on woke causes and climate change.

00:49:50.640 And we can't seem to let things go.

00:49:55.240 Let's see, yes.

00:49:56.020 Canada's four Victoria-class submarines form the core of Royal Canadian Navy's

00:49:59.600 underwater surveillance capabilities, said the Inquiry.

00:50:03.360 Covert, well-armed, and capable of patrolling vast distances.

00:50:06.800 Well, not if they've been dry docked this long.

00:50:09.500 And again, they can't stay there.

00:50:13.700 What else have we got going on, blowing up out there?

00:50:17.680 Let's see.

00:50:18.680 A northern naval base, Pamela Jones, Kenny saying, I don't know.

00:50:21.540 I don't know if we need a full base up there because it is difficult.

00:50:24.500 You know, Anuvik is seasonally accessible.

00:50:27.260 It's not deep water.

00:50:28.280 You get all that silt going on.

00:50:29.780 But, I mean, it's things to consider.

00:50:31.200 We're the guests I had last week talking about deep water ports on Hudson Bay.

00:50:36.040 and not just at Churchill. There's other river outlets and areas there that we could consider.

00:50:41.080 Or again, if you have those long range capability, you don't need the base to be up there. You just

00:50:45.240 need the ability to get up there and deal with it. And we just seem to be neglecting that.

00:50:53.160 Kim is saying, Inuit rangers, they're still needed, but they aren't getting the recognition

00:50:56.040 that they deserve. Yeah, that's the ones I was speaking of. Sorry, Inuit, Inuvialuit as well,

00:51:02.280 because that was the ones up by Tuck and Nuvik, and they're still a good patrol for up there.

00:51:08.840 I mean, they also watch for things like poachers or other issues that may be happening up in some

00:51:14.160 isolated regions, and they're not getting much recognition. I'm not sure how much they're doing

00:51:21.220 up there anymore. One of the reasons I got to admit, though, is they still hang on. When I was

00:51:25.140 up there, they still had those really ancient World War II rifles, though, as I guess they're

00:51:28.180 very reliable in those very cold conditions that, uh, you know, of course you encounter when you,

00:51:33.640 when you're up that far North and you need those. I mean, it's not like they're going to hold off

00:51:36.780 the Russian hordes with those, but, uh, it's an area where you don't want to be unarmed or not 0.86

00:51:41.300 have a, uh, a reliable, uh, uh, firearm when you're up that way. Oh, by the way, uh, one of 0.91

00:51:49.100 the things I I've seen in my notes, I meant to ask Jamil while he was on, but this is some of

00:51:52.620 the woke crazy stuff they're asking him to do. This is one of the big areas where he got disciplined.

00:51:56.280 And I guess when he was the radio host

00:51:58.640 and Canada Day came at that time

00:52:00.620 and we were basically being told by the CBC and CTV

00:52:04.040 and the progressive groups and everything else

00:52:07.160 that we're supposed to hang our heads in shame

00:52:08.520 and we aren't supposed to, you know,

00:52:11.100 recognize or celebrate Canada Day.

00:52:13.860 He was supposed to basically denounce Canada Day

00:52:16.080 and he wouldn't do it.

00:52:17.320 He said, no, I want to recognize it.

00:52:18.860 I don't think we should be going into that.

00:52:20.900 And, you know, it's my show.

00:52:22.720 Apparently it wasn't.

00:52:23.560 I mean, in the end, I guess, yeah,

00:52:24.560 the boss has signed the check and they can fire him.

00:52:26.280 And that's what happened to him. And, uh, the price was paid, uh, in a bad way for that,

00:52:32.040 unfortunately. So, uh, let's see what else we're getting into. My guest is a little late. We're

00:52:36.780 going to have the ag report here pretty quickly. Let's see what else is breaking on Western

00:52:40.520 standard while we're at it. They kill me. This is the beautiful thing with being live. I love it. 0.82

00:52:46.840 I love the conversations back and forth. There we go. Pamela saying Ross rifles,

00:52:50.200 World War I. Sorry, Lee in Fieldsworth, World War II. Okay. I mean, again, I'm not an expert on

00:52:54.200 these things. I do know that they were one of those two. It was like a 303 type caliber. And I

00:52:58.900 guess they were very, uh, uh, reliable rifles up there as well. Oh yeah. Here's something to go on

00:53:04.580 about Twitter. Of course, my favorite playground, Elon Musk, his purchase of it. And boy, that shows

00:53:09.620 as well how much the progressives can't stand open discourse, can't stand seeing a free discussion

00:53:16.320 going on and things such as that because uh why why are you going so haywire over musk buying a

00:53:25.280 social media outlet well we're seeing it and they're doing everything they can to sabotage it 0.97

00:53:30.620 now to be fair it looks like musk was coming in like a bull in a china shop i mean this is a big 0.98

00:53:35.100 company and he's going in just kind of ripping around and realizing he tore off some vanities 0.90

00:53:38.660 he probably shouldn't have and he's starting to trying to paste them back on but i mean some of

00:53:43.160 the things that they're going nuts about. So I guess he's, uh, for staff, he said no more free

00:53:47.820 lunches. Yeah. The staff with Twitter, we're getting a free lunch at the cafeteria every day.

00:53:53.100 They've gone postal about that. And I've heard some people say, yeah, it's outrageous.

00:53:57.540 Really? 99% of the world has to buy their own damn lunch. They were talking about common sense 0.99

00:54:03.540 cuts within some of these, uh, bloated institutions and, and, uh, social media things.

00:54:09.880 and we're seeing it as well with, I think some of these, all of them have grown too fast. They've

00:54:14.580 got way too much rot. Uh, I think perhaps when they clean them up, when they streamline them,

00:54:18.760 they've got to be a little more careful than Musk is doing. But, uh, Amazon just laid off what, 1.00

00:54:25.100 10,000 people. Uh, we've seen, uh, Facebook is, uh, you know, or meta as they're calling it,

00:54:31.420 you know, is laying off thousands of people. I'm being reminded of like back, if people remember

00:54:36.140 the dot bomb, you know, in the nineties, when people realized the internet's huge, it's big,

00:54:39.800 it's growing, it's going to be a world changer. And it was, but nobody really figured out how

00:54:44.780 to monetize it yet. And everybody was by any company. If it looked like a tech company or

00:54:48.420 an internet company, and it got publicly traded, their stocks just went through the roof, but

00:54:51.780 there was nothing to most of them. And eventually it had to collapse and it did. I think we're

00:54:56.460 seeing a similar correction happening right now with all of these social media giants.

00:55:01.000 they just weren't sustainable to begin with. They grew too fast. I mean, they can make money,

00:55:07.340 but they've got to clean the ranks. You got to get realistic. You got to run it

00:55:12.020 like a proper business, like any other business. And, uh, uh, that's what's happening now. But I

00:55:19.140 mean, it also was, it was the fact that the messaging control and that's of concern. Um,

00:55:24.700 okay, well, we'll see. Is, is Shuva out there perhaps? We can bring him in and, uh, I'm not

00:55:29.820 sure what's quite happened with the ag check-in, but it's difficult to schedule these things. He

00:55:35.220 might've gotten tied up. They are running a busy business there. That's a marketplace

00:55:39.240 commodities, these guys, and you can see them on our website all the time. They've got their stuff

00:55:44.600 on the front page at the westernstandard.news. And typically he'll come in and give us an ag

00:55:49.080 update, but he's running behind today. So that's why I'm rambling baselessly while I wait for my

00:55:54.820 next guest, if we can get Shuv in here and we can discuss some other things to wrap stuff up.

00:56:00.540 Where is my, oh yeah, the Ontario education workers are going back on strike. Dave mentioned that,

00:56:06.700 eh? So parents are held hostage yet again. This is another one of the areas I've gone on about,

00:56:12.860 you know, if we want streamlined, if we want our kids to do well, we've really, really got to have

00:56:18.260 it out with organized labor. And so, I mean, Ford, again, speaking of clumsy bull in a china shop

00:56:25.180 sort of way to approach things, you know, using the notwithstanding clause backlash on him so badly

00:56:31.260 that he backed off. And now yet again, parents are all looking at their kids being sent home

00:56:36.320 from school pretty quickly with a strike notice being served yet again. What a frustrating time

00:56:42.520 when the kids haven't been able to attend regularly for years already. I mean, this is a

00:56:48.880 real problem. I mean, plus the mask lunacy going on. I mean, people are talking about locking down

00:56:54.520 schools again. I don't know if we're ever going to get back to normalcy again. But a large part of

00:56:59.600 it, who's pushing for these mask mandates all the time? Well, look, lo and behold, it's Gil

00:57:03.080 McGowan and the unions again. Why? What's the big union interest in these? And spare me,

00:57:07.920 we've got the numbers. I mean, children, when it comes to COVID and things like that,

00:57:13.140 fortunately, you know, typically aren't terribly at risk of any long-term effects from it.

00:57:19.620 But it's just another area of negotiation, another area to push. And again, the ones who are paying

00:57:25.540 the price for it, as always in the end, are the students. They always say it's for the students,

00:57:30.940 but somehow when these negotiations are for the sake of the students, the best thing for the

00:57:34.340 students is always a raise for the union members. Go figure. But yeah, it's quite a mess going on

00:57:44.900 there. I'd be free saying government education causes more harm than good. I would just like

00:57:49.400 to see, and I talked about that before, just more choice. I mean, that's where I come back to my

00:57:52.860 free market approach to just about everything. Get more choice in the education system. There

00:57:57.340 is room for organized labor. But I mean, let parents vote with their wallets, vote with their

00:58:03.360 feet, make those kids into assets rather than, you know, negotiable hostages to be held every time

00:58:09.900 the organized labor gets upset with their deal and how things are going for them. And perhaps, 0.91

00:58:16.720 you know, again, we'll see more stability. I'm really worried. We had a few years of kids going

00:58:20.360 through school who had a disruptive, you know, from COVID, and I'm not blaming government for

00:58:24.320 every aspect of that, but we just can't seem to leave them alone. And in Ontario, and again,

00:58:30.540 it's stressful for parents. I know that schools aren't supposed to be babysitters, but there is

00:58:34.760 a reality. You are reliant on the schools to make sure that your kids are dealt with throughout the

00:58:40.400 day. And when it gets disrupted like that over and over, it causes problems for parents in the

00:58:45.840 workplace, causes stresses around the household. It's a challenging thing all around. And yeah,

00:58:53.320 Cindy's saying it's time for students to strike and walk out of classes every day. Yeah, well,

00:58:56.540 I can see the frustration and turnabout in that sense, I guess.

00:59:00.360 But again, it's just more disruption for the kids and doesn't actually help them much in the end of things.

00:59:09.580 So, yeah, I don't know.

00:59:11.740 I just got to hope for the best.

00:59:13.080 And I hope they don't get gouged too hard.

00:59:14.480 I mean, we can't just keep pouring money and everything.

00:59:17.320 I mean, there's another thing I listened to on the radio the other day, some coalition.

00:59:21.160 And, you know, they gave them headlines all the way across for this coalition for living wage.

00:59:26.460 Remember, it's not minimum wage anymore.

00:59:27.800 It's living wage, this arbitrary, apparent living wage that everybody has to pay.

00:59:32.940 And they determined in Canmore, for example, in Alberta, yeah, it's an expensive place to be.

00:59:36.520 It should be $32 an hour now.

00:59:38.660 Really?

00:59:39.540 So the starting dishwasher, four hour a day position should start at $32 an hour.

00:59:47.080 That's what their logic is.

00:59:48.180 ahead. You know, these same ones are the same ones that howl about inflation. They howl about

00:59:53.880 the cost of living, pressuring people. You can bet they're not going to pay $60 for a cheeseburger

00:59:58.800 in Canmore. And they shouldn't. And these positions, hey, they're important. You got to

01:00:04.160 start somewhere. Man, when I roam my pub, I tell you, nights sucked when I didn't have a dishwasher

01:00:08.920 in because it meant I had to. But I had to pay an amount that was enough to retain a dishwasher,

01:00:14.720 and I did so. And actually, that was the starting position. I had a young man who was in the dish

01:00:17.820 pit for a while then he was making pizzas then he was serving on tables once he turned 18 and he

01:00:21.960 made some good money on the floor you start somewhere all right enough rambling out of me

01:00:26.220 i've got shuv in here and uh let's uh talk about some more international stuff so hey thanks for

01:00:32.460 letting us rookie in here since you happen to be visiting uh you know i've had you on the show

01:00:36.620 before but it's always been remote it's always good to be home yeah the weather's not too bad

01:00:41.620 for your visit this time home always calgary always home it's all there's never a bad time

01:00:46.620 to be here. Right on. So yeah, we've pulled you in and I'm just, I don't really have a full agenda,

01:00:52.540 but there's a lot to cover. Anyways, your specialty with the McDonnell Laurier Institute

01:00:55.640 is international affairs. I believe you were a consultant for Prime Minister Harper as well,

01:00:59.720 and they were working in some capacities back then. It's sort of your area of expertise. And

01:01:04.500 boy, we got a lot of international diplomacy challenges going on right now, I guess you can

01:01:11.140 say. Definitely say that. Basically, just to kind of throw it out there, our China-Canada

01:01:15.880 relationship, like what on earth is going on right now? It's incredible. I mean, that's a great

01:01:21.500 question. I think a lot of people are asking that, including our own allies. Because, you know, as

01:01:26.840 you know, Corey, around the world, governments have been pronouncing on what they're defining

01:01:32.060 as an Indo-Pacific strategy, this geography of Indian and Pacific oceans. And it's really a

01:01:38.260 discussion about how to manage China's rise and what to do about it. All our allies have pronounced, 0.85

01:01:43.940 the Five Eyes have pronounced, the NATO allies have pronounced, Europe has pronounced. We have

01:01:48.620 provincial jurisdictions in Canada that have pronounced what their interests are in the

01:01:51.820 Indo-Pacific. But for some reason, this government, several years in, has yet to announce what its

01:01:56.980 position actually is. You hear Deputy Prime Minister Christopher Freeland, Innovation Minister

01:02:03.520 François-Philippe Champagne saying some things about decoupling and how to think about China's

01:02:08.660 risk to the Canadian economy. You hear troubling reports from Canadian intelligence sectors about

01:02:13.600 Chinese influence operations inside this country. And you know that our rivals have become more

01:02:19.760 ambitious in the last number of years. So where does Canada stand is a great question. Where do

01:02:24.200 we go next is even a harder question. But as you know, this week we've seen Prime Minister Trudeau

01:02:29.520 do summitry. He's been at ASEAN meetings in Cambodia, and now he's in Bali at the G20

01:02:35.980 meetings. These conversations between governments are an opportunity to advance the interests of

01:02:41.460 the country and to compare notes with your counterparts, whether they're friendly or not.

01:02:47.120 And what we're seeing is a government that has been increasingly cut out of all the important

01:02:52.440 military and economic arrangements that are vital to the Canadian interests moving forward.

01:02:56.000 um today we saw news coming out from bali of an exchange that the prime minister had with

01:03:03.620 president xi jinping of china and it didn't go so well you could see that their dialogue had

01:03:08.800 never actually been in an official meeting format um there it seems that the canadian prime

01:03:14.680 minister's office leaked you know a private conversation that was had for the purposes

01:03:20.140 of trying to show that they're doing something about china in canada um and that offended the

01:03:25.200 Chinese Premier in terms of what his expectations were in how governments interact with each other.

01:03:33.480 And he was quite dismissive of the Canadian Prime Minister. And so it's brewing as a question as to

01:03:39.940 whether or not Canada has the kind of influence it requires to be able to take on our rivals and

01:03:45.260 work as an ally with our partners. And it was a pretty sad display to say. Yeah, well, that was

01:03:51.280 kind of the root of the worst of it all was, as you said, dismissive, disrespected. I mean,

01:03:55.480 just not considered even a serious player. I mean, he wouldn't, even if he was enraged

01:03:59.840 with President Biden, I don't think that the Chinese premier would have so publicly berated

01:04:05.280 Biden in a manner such as that. You know, he would do things through challenges diplomacy.

01:04:12.460 I mean, yeah, sometimes you can smile when you loathe somebody, but you work on what you're

01:04:16.140 going to do. And their clumsy release of what was a personal dialogue between those two just

01:04:21.020 just fractured any possible influence even further well you wonder you know if

01:04:25.400 you even for our friends you wonder if you have a conversation that's an

01:04:30.260 honorable discussion about key issues some things that are easier some things

01:04:34.460 that are harder and you're doing it professionally then there are expectations

01:04:38.800 that you have those conversations professionally yeah you have an agreed

01:04:42.440 set of sense of what you would say in public and only rarely would you leak

01:04:46.500 information that was discussed privately for political gain, it wouldn't be something that

01:04:51.540 I would recommend to anybody. And so friends or rivals alike, you wonder whether they would ever

01:04:56.400 trust a private conversation they'd have with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau again. And second,

01:05:01.780 Xi Jinping clearly saw that there was a recording going on during his conversation with Prime

01:05:07.480 Minister Trudeau. And he clearly, clearly had no problem saying, you know, there's a way business

01:05:13.040 is done. This is not how it's done. And Prime Minister, you decide how you want to engage

01:05:17.240 professionally or otherwise. What's really tragic about all this is that, you know, the Trudeau

01:05:24.060 government has spent the last several years laying the doormat to Chinese influence operations in

01:05:30.480 Canada. They're very quiet about how they criticize Beijing and how Beijing's agents inside Canada

01:05:38.400 have been bullying our people and a lot of this in so many ways is is even if you try to have a

01:05:45.920 good relationship with beijing as i would argue that the trudeau government has been trying to do

01:05:50.400 um you still can't have a good relationship with beijing because there's no there's no terms no

01:05:56.480 trust to be able to actually succeed at that yeah when you've got to command at least a little bit

01:06:00.480 of respect but it's that other trickle down i mean i spoke to that earlier in the show the point of

01:06:05.200 of these face-to-face summits, though.

01:06:07.140 I mean, they could do this through Zoom.

01:06:08.260 They could do this through, you know,

01:06:09.720 remote meeting nowadays.

01:06:11.000 And they have, yeah.

01:06:11.560 But the importance of being able to do this,

01:06:13.080 some of that informal conversation,

01:06:14.740 the stuff that you did chat off screen,

01:06:17.520 I guess you could say,

01:06:18.540 and then you're not signing agreements,

01:06:19.800 but you're discussing things.

01:06:20.880 And that's sort of that discretion

01:06:22.460 that Trudeau's reached this time.

01:06:25.360 And a lot of other world leaders

01:06:27.220 are going to feel very reticent

01:06:28.380 about saying anything around him any longer

01:06:30.100 because, well, what if it becomes interesting

01:06:32.080 for him to leak that down the road on me?

01:06:33.500 Yeah, you know, it's all about trust and candor. And you can conduct yourself honorably, even if it's with people you don't like. And, and it's a kind of a quality of leadership that I think Canadians crave.

01:06:44.740 So how do we deal with China, though? I mean, we are integrated and dependent on them for a lot of things. I mean, hey, we can get on a high horse, but you know what? A lot of Canadians will complain if those consumer products go up in price and a whole lot of them come from China. We sell, I was at three and a half billion a year in coal to China. Something I'm sure Trudeau doesn't like to trumpet, but if that's a big industry for us, we would pay a terrible price for totally disconnecting ourselves from Chinese relations as well. How do we work with this country?

01:07:12.940 Well, you know, when you deal with a country as big as China, you deal with it as a concert of nations.

01:07:20.900 And so when you have a series of commercial transactions that you think are important,

01:07:25.340 and they are good commercial transactions that are underpinned by the rule of law,

01:07:29.400 that if something goes wrong, that there's a process to deal with it,

01:07:31.700 and that these commercial transactions won't be drawn in for political abuse,

01:07:35.340 then you can have a very prosperous, successful relationship.

01:07:38.160 Canada had accomplished that with China for many, many years,

01:07:41.120 until China started to exploit those commercial deals with Canada

01:07:45.400 for political reasons.

01:07:48.240 The most vivid example and experience Canadians would have had

01:07:51.340 would have been with the arrest of those two Canadians,

01:07:53.720 Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor,

01:07:55.880 who were held hostage on a public policy question

01:07:59.940 around Huawei's determination, its presence in Canada

01:08:03.360 as a supplier of 5G technology.

01:08:06.400 That is, beyond the pale, a partner you can't do business with.

01:08:11.120 And so when you think about the present relations that Canada has to manage, as do other countries,

01:08:15.600 you have to work with other countries to create the rules that China would abide by so that it can be a mutually beneficial deal.

01:08:24.320 The problem has been that up until the last number of years, China has been imposing its own decoupling on us.

01:08:33.220 Xi Jinping many years ago had said that he wanted to create a dual circulation economy for China,

01:08:39.980 meaning he wanted to create an economy for China that was reliant on its own resources

01:08:44.380 and its own manufacturing, its own productivity.

01:08:47.260 He didn't want to rely on international trade as a means to continue to fuel China's rise.

01:08:53.300 The other side of what he has done is that he has done disproportionate deals,

01:08:57.840 meaning he will expect market access to Canada, but not provide the same to China.

01:09:04.440 Or he would take out his investment model through his Belt and Road Initiative

01:09:08.000 to smaller developing countries around the world

01:09:11.020 and say, I will colonize this part of your country

01:09:14.220 for a period of 100 years.

01:09:16.120 I will bring in my own workers to develop a port

01:09:18.380 or a railroad, a highway piece of infrastructure.

01:09:21.620 And I will harvest the resources I need from your country

01:09:24.300 and the data I am curious about of your people

01:09:27.800 for China's rise alone.

01:09:30.040 That's not a good commercial deal.

01:09:32.020 So for Canada, what do we do?

01:09:33.640 We have to work with our partners, our like-mindeds, 0.92

01:09:36.060 And we have to be steadfast when it comes to understanding the risk that China poses. 0.96

01:09:40.960 Australia, final point. 0.92

01:09:42.220 Australia had to experience Chinese political intimidation based on their presence in Australian real estate markets.

01:09:48.440 This happened a number of years ago. 0.85

01:09:50.320 And Australia said, enough.

01:09:52.160 And they divested, they decoupled, they paid a heavy price for doing so. 0.85

01:09:56.160 Australia is much more closer to China geographically, has to deal with the realities of China more viscerally. 0.76

01:10:02.480 and they have been more successful at delinking and de-risking the kind of leverage that China

01:10:08.020 has than Canada. Canada's trade with China is much less than is perceived. And in terms of

01:10:15.380 making the right decisions for Canadians in the long term, what's going to hurt the middle class

01:10:21.700 in Canada more, what's going to make life more costly for lower income Canadians are unreliable

01:10:28.200 partners that create massive instability and we can't stand for that no and again these summits

01:10:32.600 are important i mean as a nation by ourself okay we have limited uh influence but if you can get

01:10:36.680 together with other nations that are impacted by this i mean these are the opportunities that's why

01:10:40.600 we build alliances and uh unfortunately we just don't seem to be doing a very good job of it right

01:10:44.840 now uh i hope that it turns around well i i appreciate you coming in on a you know a short

01:10:51.480 notice like anytime talking to us about it you know and i know you write columns for the national

01:10:55.480 Post and things with the McDonnell Laurier Institute where can we find out more what's

01:10:59.340 your update shoot? The McDonnell Laurier Institute, it's www.mcdonaldlaurier.ca. It's the home

01:11:06.480 for all of our writing and my colleagues and I are always energetically advancing the interests

01:11:11.540 of Canada, independent thinking. So thank you for letting us plug our perspectives a bit.

01:11:16.140 Oh, I'm glad you came in to add some more nuance to just, you know, a show of my ranting

01:11:19.400 and raving all the way through, but you know. I like your ranting and raving. Long time

01:11:24.840 been. Yeah, thanks. Just some discussion of the real matters at hand, too, because it's really

01:11:28.980 important. I mean, we've got a fragile economy right now, and somebody at the helm who's perhaps

01:11:35.120 not steady as we would hope. A lot of people are getting hurt, and we require leaders of conviction

01:11:39.240 right now. Great. Well, thanks again, and I'll talk to you after the show. See you. Thank you.

01:11:44.220 Thanks. So it is Chivalry Majumdar, and yes, he's with the McDonnell-Laurier Institute, and lots of

01:11:50.000 excellent stuff to add. I mean, just today, and as I said, search him out, look at the

01:11:54.100 McDonnell-Laurie Institute and the national post for some of those columns. And he's on Twitter

01:11:58.480 as well. He's not as abrasive and getting in your face on Twitter like I am and having that sort of

01:12:02.980 fun, but always lots of a very valuable discourse and discussion on those international things.

01:12:09.260 So let's get back. We can catch up on things. I see he's in the lobby now. We have

01:12:13.760 Jim Bousicom of Marketplace Commodities, and we can talk about some of the agricultural stuff

01:12:21.940 here. Hey, how's it going, Jim? Good. Good. Thanks, Corey. Appreciate you seeing today. So maybe,

01:12:29.260 you know, just kind of get an update on the market change in the last week with some of these

01:12:33.300 agricultural canola, wheat, barley items such as that. All right. I'll give you a quick summary of

01:12:38.520 the three different commodities. Over the last week, nearby canola futures have moved from a

01:12:44.200 peak of $900 per den down to $875 today with most of the price lower, the move lower happening

01:12:52.780 today. We had a $17 drop in the futures today, significant move. Futures markets do remain

01:12:59.200 in inverse, meaning that the nearby January contract is trading at roughly a $15 ton premium

01:13:05.440 to the March, May and July futures. So this along with the strong basis indicates that demand from

01:13:11.320 crushers and exporters is still very strong looking at the wheat market it's been volatile

01:13:18.520 with world markets russia ukraine issues but over the week it actually has a net gain of roughly 25

01:13:25.720 cents per bushel countered by a strong canadian dollar so actually the price on the prairies

01:13:31.480 is roughly about the same we still see values trading anywhere from back to the farmer at 12

01:13:39.160 to 12.25 a bushel feed wheat values are about 50 cents a bushel back from that 11.50 to 12

01:13:47.320 and in the feed barley market last bridge cash barley moved from 4.55 down to 4.45 as feedlots

01:13:54.840 continue to switch to more available and competitively price us corn and users seen

01:14:00.600 well covered for the remainder of 2022 and most are looking now to purchase late winter and

01:14:07.000 in springtime feed supplies.

01:14:09.240 Back to you, Corey.

01:14:10.240 Sure, well, and you'd mentioned the impacts,

01:14:12.720 I mean things, geopolitics, we got bigger issues.

01:14:14.680 And I understand producers can't watch

01:14:16.240 for everything in these things,

01:14:17.880 but they have some direct impact.

01:14:19.100 I mean, the world is a fragile place,

01:14:21.140 as I was saying to Shuv before on the international scene 0.97

01:14:23.900 and the incident with the Russia

01:14:26.160 and Ukraine missile landing in Poland.

01:14:28.660 I mean, people worry about an escalation

01:14:31.560 of things over there.

01:14:32.840 It looks like it might've calmed down for now,

01:14:34.440 but that really still impacts all of these commodities.

01:14:37.000 doesn't it? You know, it really does. And actually what's, what's interesting when those

01:14:40.960 things happen is you actually see it on the markets almost immediately. So it was roughly

01:14:45.580 around 11 o'clock AM yesterday. Markets were actually down yesterday. And, um, that news came

01:14:51.900 out, uh, about that missile landing in Poland. We had wheat futures close up about 25 cents a

01:14:57.360 bushel, corn up 10 cents a bushel. Markets close at 12, 15 PM. And overnight, of course, it came

01:15:04.980 out that things are de-escalated, I guess, if you could say that. And yeah, we look at it today

01:15:11.580 and everything's actually back down again. Markets back to actually following the trend,

01:15:18.520 which was moving lower over most of this week. So yeah, you see it in the markets almost quicker

01:15:24.720 than anything. Yeah. Well, people watching with their dollars and it reflects things fast. I mean,

01:15:30.520 we're in this world where trades can happen so quickly. And I mean, that's part of what you guys

01:15:34.880 offer as a service is this is you know real-time marketing because you do have to watch for these

01:15:38.640 immediate upswings and downswings or i guess also for for clients just making sure they don't panic

01:15:43.760 when we have occasional things that might change prices in a short order yeah that's correct i mean

01:15:49.560 what what i tell our clients is just be proactive with your marketing so that when these events

01:15:54.520 take place you do not have to react to it right away you can take your time and sort it out and

01:16:00.520 see what happens. I mean, because over the course of 24 hours, it's basically a net zero in terms

01:16:06.220 of markets. Yeah. Okay. Well, where can people find more information on you guys? I see the

01:16:12.900 number down below there, 403-394-1711 and marketplacecommodities.com, I guess.

01:16:19.920 Yeah, that'd be it. And you can follow us on Twitter. You can follow our daily market report.

01:16:24.040 It's posted on Twitter each day and get to meet our traders. And obviously we hope to do business

01:16:30.280 with those that have the commodities for sale.

01:16:33.260 Excellent.

01:16:33.760 Well, thanks again for checking in with us this week, Jim,

01:16:36.780 and we'll talk to you next week.

01:16:38.320 Okay.

01:16:38.640 Thanks a lot.

01:16:39.160 Bye-bye.

01:16:39.800 Thank you.

01:16:40.900 That was Jim Vuzicum from Marketplace Commodities.

01:16:45.320 And yes, again, you know, as producers, I mean, it's a business like anything else.

01:16:49.480 I'm no expert.

01:16:50.480 I see it's similar to a lot of other financial advice.

01:16:53.120 Don't panic.

01:16:54.060 Watch your commodities, whether they're agriculture or anything else,

01:16:57.920 but listen to the experts before you start buying or selling like crazy.

01:17:02.560 You know, I bought a bunch of Bitcoin last year. That worked out well for me. Maybe I should have

01:17:06.460 listened to some other people before I bought that, but I didn't buy that much. I didn't have

01:17:09.240 that much money to start with. So, okay. I'm going to finish things up with the Dingleberry

01:17:13.440 of the week. I get this new award I'm giving because there's always somebody worthy of it

01:17:17.360 and jumps to my eye and I don't want to just do it on Twitter. And this one, I know I'm going to

01:17:22.160 get a bunch of the emails and messages from folks who are upset with me, but I'm sorry, guys. It's

01:17:27.200 too bad. This week's Dingleberry Award goes to Donald Trump as he has come out and announced

01:17:32.940 he's going to be running for president yet again. Look, guys, whether you love the guy,

01:17:37.720 whether you hate the guy, if you want the Democrats in for one more term, have him run

01:17:43.380 in the next general election in the United States. He's turned toxic. The midterms have indicated

01:17:49.580 that. Whether you liked or didn't like what he did in the past, you have to accept he's a spent

01:17:54.180 force. He's no longer carrying the weight that he has anymore. If anything, he's just dividing

01:18:00.040 things, and it's going to lead to another term of that progressive government down there. And it's

01:18:04.540 also, we've got DeSantis on the rise. Trump is attacking him. It's going to be infighting within

01:18:10.040 that party for two years of primaries, and somebody as senile and strange as Joe Biden

01:18:16.060 might still manage to walk his way into another victory. But Trump doesn't care. It's all about

01:18:21.920 his ego. It's about his future. And, uh, he will not go away. So, uh, for not reading the writing

01:18:28.440 on the wall and for coming out and saying, we're going to have to put up with them in the primaries

01:18:33.140 for the next year and some, uh, Trump, you've got the dingleberry of the week award, uh, wear it

01:18:38.680 well, uh, sort of a Cheeto looking dingleberry, that one. All right. Next week, we got a good

01:18:43.480 show as usual coming on. If people remember, uh, Derek Smith, he wrote that book, that Dr. Seuss

01:18:48.080 style book on the prime minister who stole freedoms. It was actually quite popular and

01:18:54.780 sold very well for him. Well, he's come out with yet another one called One Face, Two Face, Black

01:19:00.040 Face, Blue Face. And just again, some good parody on the Canadian political scene in a cartoon

01:19:05.280 format. I mean, if it was a pop-up book, Justin himself might actually read the thing. Who knows?

01:19:09.860 You do have to sort of avoid big words with that fella who is running things in Ottawa. I'll have

01:19:15.040 a whole new thing to rant about. And of course, yes, I'll offer another dingleberry of the week

01:19:20.320 award to somebody. And of course, Jim will give us more updates on the commodities out there

01:19:24.940 and there'll be other ranting, raving, and news. So thanks for tuning in today for an extended

01:19:29.040 show, guys. Hope you're all having a good one and I'll see you next week at this time.

01:19:45.040 We'll be right back.

Western Standard - November 17, 2022

CMS： Trudeau is China’s most valuable Canadian asset

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