Join us as we discuss the pro-Israel and pro-Hamas protests in Canada, and the role of the police in dealing with them. We also discuss the recent events in Ukraine, and how they impact us here in Canada.
00:01:23.380with that sort of wartime directly out here.
00:01:26.440and uh but we shouldn't let that let's forget what other people are dealing with in other parts of
00:01:31.320the world and how nasty and awful it's been and the guest i'm going to have on today is a gentleman
00:01:37.320named greg i'm probably going to mispronounce the name i should have asked him greg lagert wood uh
00:01:42.040he's uh been involved in you know in some of the the protests al-quds day and uh so the the protests
00:01:47.720that were going on the other week in calgary as we've had uh basically the way i'll put it pro
00:01:52.280Hamas and pro-Israel protests going on. I mean, see, the disputes in the other world still impact
00:01:58.800us all the way over here. And, you know, people want to express themselves on it. I want to talk
00:02:05.840a bit more, you know, nuanced on it, about why we feel we should express ourselves on those issues
00:02:10.320all the way over here, but where the line gets drawn to. I mean, is it okay to have Hezbollah1.00
00:02:15.320flags or Hamas flags waving in our country out here? You know, but how do you interfere without0.98
00:02:21.380interfering on the right to protest. How much involvement should police have in keeping
00:02:26.160protesters away from each other? Because they don't want to have a riot like we saw in North
00:02:29.800Calgary with Eretrian protesters. It wasn't so much a protest. That was a separate thing.1.00
00:02:36.220But at the same time, how far to keep them out of the middle? Nothing's ever cut and dry.
00:02:40.700Nothing's ever simple. So yes, we'll have a good discussion there. And I'm looking forward to it.
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00:04:13.800about, I see one of the commenters was talking about that already with C69. And some of you guys,
00:04:17.700by the way, yeah, use that comment scroll if you're on here live, have a, you know, share your
00:04:21.480feedback with me, with the guests and so on. Just be civil with each other. We got lots of time to
00:04:26.140yell at each other on Twitter if we want. So let's talk about C69. I mean, Western Canadians, we were0.89
00:04:30.660jubilant when the Supreme Court found that the no more pipelines bill was unconstitutional. We kind
00:04:36.220of always knew, but we had the court reaffirm that. That celebration, you know, didn't last
00:04:40.460very long before the federal government started signaling they're going to continue their attack
00:04:44.480on Western industries despite the court ruling. Even the Globe and Mail had a headline that said,
00:04:49.540Ottawa to press ahead with oil and gas cap despite Supreme Court decision. So yeah, even the Toronto
00:04:56.200Globe didn't try to sugarcoat it. The government plans to ignore the ruling of the Supreme Court
00:04:59.880of Canada, or at least to work around it. It sounds like it looks like the plan is to simply
00:05:04.340pack the regulations for a cap on oil and gas production into a new bill and jam it through
00:05:09.080parliament. Jagmeet Singh will, of course, gleefully support it. I mean, you got to think it took four
00:05:14.080years to get C-69 to the Supreme Court. It'll presumably take just as long to get any new
00:05:19.740legislation to the highest court in the land as well. So development and investment will continue
00:05:24.240to be chilled in the West. The government doesn't care if the new bill gets thrown out. It'll
00:05:29.260accomplish what it wants to, and that's to grind the oil and gas industry in Western Canada to a
00:05:33.720fault. Let's not pretend that's not their goal. The Trudeau regime doesn't care about the
00:05:37.440Constitution. They don't care about the tens of billions of dollars oil and gas bringing to the
00:05:41.760federal coffers every year. They don't care about the hundreds of thousands of jobs direct and
00:05:45.400indirect. They don't care that world demand for oil and gas products is expected to increase for
00:05:49.560decades to come. This is a government of zealots. They're ideologues, and they're beyond reason.
00:05:55.560Trudeau's government support numbers are in the toilet, and he doesn't even care about that
00:05:59.800anymore. He's obsessed with having his own personal legacy and he wants that legacy to be
00:06:04.220taking down the oil and gas industry he loathes so much. He wants to leave by poking those darn
00:06:09.420Westerners one more time in the eye because he's never forgiven the West for its refusal to
00:06:13.940capitulate to his father's ideological government decades ago. The federal government has no sense
00:06:18.800of fiscal reality and no respect for the businesses that create wealth for Canadians.
00:06:23.000We've seen this disrespect as the head of Suncor Energy was dragged on the carpet and interrogated
00:06:27.880by liberal and NDP MPs last week over the business decisions of the company. What horrific sin did
00:06:33.780Suncor commit to be dragged across the country to have to explain, you know, themselves to the
00:06:38.320federal politicians? Well, they sold off their lame wind and solar projects and said they were
00:06:42.460actually going to focus on oil and gas development. In other words, an oil company wants to be an oil
00:06:46.820company. They did nothing illegal or immoral, yet the authoritarian squids in government felt they0.99
00:06:51.600had the right to demand an explanation of them. Suncor CEO Kruger, he should have told him to go1.00
00:06:56.600to hell, to be honest, and stayed home. Appeasement never works with zealots, and he wasted his time
00:07:00.420and energy trying to explain himself to a group of people who had no right to demand an explanation
00:07:04.540from him in the first place. The attitude's the same with the grocery chains. Trudeau demanded
00:07:09.160the Competition Bureau look into grocery prices, and the Bureau did so. And Trudeau's own study
00:07:15.000concluded there was no gouging in the retail grocery sector. They called the profits modest.
00:07:19.980Well, that wasn't good enough for Justin to hell with the facts. He then ordered the CEOs to appear
00:07:24.220in Ottawa again and demanded they reduce prices within weeks or he would tax them.
00:07:28.440The arrogance of the demand was galling. The economic illiteracy on display is unsurprising
00:07:33.500but still troubling. How on earth can chains operating on profit margins of 4% or less
00:07:38.000significantly cut food retail prices while remaining profitable? The truth doesn't care.
00:07:44.100Further, how would taxing those businesses save consumers any money? How do taxes make
00:07:48.220anything cheaper? Well, of course, from a man who says carbon taxes make living cheaper,
00:07:51.580economic logic doesn't apply to him. Only Trudeau has those answers, because nobody with a whiff of
00:07:57.660economic knowledge understands his demands. You know, they know it makes no sense. Trudeau won't
00:08:03.800let himself be bound by reality or principle, though. He's flailing and desperate as his public
00:08:07.540support crumbles, and he's decided the private sector is the source of his problems. This is a
00:08:12.220dangerous attitude, though, coming from an authoritarian minority government being backed
00:08:15.480by a socialist. The damage he can cause with his constant attacks on Canadian business could
00:08:20.840reverberate for decades as he turns the nation into an investment pariah. When liberals can so
00:08:25.600quickly just ignore a Supreme Court ruling, or at least the spirit of it, and so boldly set out to
00:08:30.220violate the spirit of the Constitution, one starts to wonder what the point of the Constitution is.
00:08:35.680Then I start wondering further, well, what's the point of confederation, then, if the Constitution
00:08:38.920isn't binding? It's time, guys. It's time for the West to seriously consider its future outside of
00:08:45.180Canada, because Canada is not treating the West as an equal partner within it, that's for sure.
00:08:50.020Well, that's what's got me wound up today.
00:08:51.780And, you know, I think it's good reason to be wound up.
00:09:11.240Going further, the release that came out today,
00:09:14.260It was that Trudeau came out with a big open letter to Premier Daniel Smith and basically saying he's not going to stand by as anyone seeks to weaken pensions.
00:09:25.420His attack was on the consideration that's going on of an Alberta pension plan right now.
00:09:31.200Now, one of the things that's interesting is I guess somebody with a little bit of economic knowledge did get Justin aside and pull him over and let him know,
00:09:38.120hey, if Alberta pulls out of this plan, you're screwed because Alberta puts in a heck of a lot0.98
00:09:43.480more than it takes out of it. You see, if it was just a wash, if it was just Alberta putting in as1.00
00:09:49.120much as it gets out, then it wouldn't be a big deal, right? Alberta could step aside and the0.99
00:09:54.120plan will carry on. Alberta have its plan. But the problem is Alberta pulls out. Well, then the rest
00:10:00.080of the country has to pay more and they will get less. But you see, that's been the problem from
00:10:04.520the beginning. That's why Alberta is looking at pulling out of the plan. It's not getting a good1.00
00:10:09.540or a fair deal. So what are you going to do about it though, Justin? That's the thing. You're not
00:10:14.220going to stand by as anyone seeks to weaken pensions because you know what? It will not
00:10:18.280weaken the Alberta pensioners if Alberta pulls out of the plan, but yes, it will weaken the plan
00:10:23.520for the rest of the country. So are you going to try and ban Alberta from doing something that
00:10:29.080they're allowed to right in the legislation that governs the Canadian pension plan? It's right in
00:10:34.400there. The formula is in the plan as to how a province can pull out, should it choose to,
00:10:40.060and how to calculate the amount of funds it's entitled to. What are you going to do? Rewrite
00:10:45.220the legislation retroactively? Again, folks, that gets me back to that talking about getting out of
00:10:51.540confederation. I mean, he's just going to keep rewriting the rules as we go. I've used that
00:10:57.260analogy on here before, and I'm going to keep calling him out. My cousin Craig, I'll use his
00:11:00.500name this time and we were kids he used to always play these these stupid card games you get us
00:11:04.780playing cards and he'd make up a game and then you'd try to play the game and you play by his
00:11:09.640rules and you play a card and you put it down he says oh no you can't play that card because of
00:11:13.400this rule you can't play that card because of that rule and that's what he would do and this
00:11:17.320is how the government's working with things we've got our set of rules it's called the confederation
00:11:20.860or the constitution i should say but they seem to play loose and and free with the rules within
00:11:27.420that constitution, as we're seeing when the Supreme Court told them, your legislation
00:11:31.080clashes with the constitution. Your legislation breaks the rules of Canada. Your legislation is
00:11:36.720no good. You have to pull it. Well, they're saying, no, no, we can come at this just from
00:11:41.400another angle. No, you can't. It's, you broke the rules, but now they just change the rules as they
00:11:46.280go. Likewise, with the Alberta pension plan, you know, consideration, well, if Alberta's looking
00:11:51.560to leave the plans based on the rules within the plan, who on earth are you to suddenly say we
00:11:56.860can't. That's how it was written up, Mr. Trudeau. Get somebody to read it to you. I know you need a
00:12:02.840little help with those things. Maybe if we put the legislation governing the Canada pension plan into
00:12:06.840a pop-up book, Justin Trudeau could be brought into understanding how it works. So if you change
00:12:13.680those rules retroactively, you screw Albertans who have been over-contributing into that plan for
00:12:17.500decades. Again, the support for secession in Alberta that's sitting around 25% on average,
00:12:23.940it will only grow because that's when people, more people start to realize the deck is stacked
00:12:29.260against us. They're going to, no matter how you try to play within the rules, they will just
00:12:33.280change the rules. So, you know, if Trudeau was smart, you see, that's a big F, right? This is
00:12:40.480a difficult one. He should be looking at then how can we reform the Canada pension plan so that
00:12:46.020Albertans won't choose to leave the plan? How will Albertans be more comfortable about supporting
00:12:52.000this plan when it's putting in far more than it takes out. And so people say, no, no, that's not
00:12:56.600true. That's not true. Albertans, you know, I mean, everybody, a person in Alberta puts this much in
00:13:00.180the plan, they get this much per month out. It's the same. No, it's not. You see, because Alberta
00:13:04.340has a population for one that maxes out their pension contributions more than anybody else.
00:13:09.440We've got a higher income out here. As well, we have one of the youngest populations in the country.
00:13:15.340So it's kind of a Ponzi scheme. I mean, it works out well for the people already collecting in
00:13:18.580other parts, but the ones pumping the money into it right now, we're shoring it up. So no, it does
00:13:24.080not pay out equally. And if it was the case, like I said, right off the bat, if this was just an
00:13:28.820equal wash, then Trudeau shouldn't be too worried about it, whatever. It was a province moving out
00:13:32.760from the plan, but it wouldn't have much impact on it, right? But it will, it will, and they're
00:13:38.480scared. And there's part of the problem, that open letter, that open letter, his wasn't to Premier
00:13:43.440Daniel Smith. Sure, that's what it said on there. No, it wasn't. That was his open letter to Toronto
00:13:49.000and Montreal and Newfoundland and all those other areas that are relying on Alberta over-contributing
00:13:55.200to keep shoring up their share of the plan because he's desperate and his support's in the toilet and
00:14:01.220he's hoping that he can win public support by going to war with Alberta, figuratively. We're
00:14:06.220going to have a real war in a minute here. But things are going to get worse, guys. They're only
00:14:11.900going to get worse. We have inept leadership in Ottawa. We'll see where this goes. You know,
00:14:16.000I mean, there's a lot of variables. It's difficult right now. I mean, Premier Smith is holding
00:14:20.620consultations on the plan right now. And you know what? If they screw up what they're going to
00:14:23.980propose to Albertans, this plan isn't going to go anywhere anyway. They better make sure that any
00:14:28.360proposed plan keeps government's grubby fingers away from it because no Albertans are going to
00:14:33.080accept, you know, you having a personal kitty off to the side. I don't think that's the intent,
00:14:36.540but they better make that clear. They better make sure it's going to be well managed. They better
00:14:40.320make sure, you know, that people are assured that their contributions, what they're owed are
00:14:44.840protected. And I think they can do that, but it's going to take some time. And I don't put it beyond
00:14:49.240any government, whether I like that government or not, to be able to screw something up. That's
00:14:53.540something they're good at. All right, well, let's move on and turn the page a little. We'll get back
00:14:57.640to the protest, the right of protest, the protests that are going on over here. And of course, the
00:15:02.600conflict over in the Middle East. So let's bring our guest in and have a discussion on that. Hi,
00:15:07.480Greg, thank you very much for joining us today. Hi, Corey. How are you doing? Very good. Very
00:15:12.400good. Maybe correct me. How do we pronounce your last name? It's a really simple one, but
00:15:16.780Lidgertwood. Lidgertwood. Okay. Well, Lidgertwood. It's a good Scottish name. I see. Okay. So,
00:15:24.940I mean, as you probably saw the opening of the program I was talking about and everybody's
00:15:28.400seeing it on the news, we're seeing protests, we're seeing demonstrations happening. I mean,
00:15:32.040it is a right to do so, but they're getting distressing. And we're also seeing, I guess,
00:15:40.060two sides starting to break out on this very much. And we're seeing a double standard, I guess,
00:15:45.520when it comes to enforcement of protests. Maybe to start with, can you give some background on
00:15:48.720what happened on city halls in Calgary when you were counter protesting or showing up
00:15:54.460out there that day the other week well the monday that i went down to city hall was not a protest
00:16:04.740that was a celebration by pro hamas supporters celebrating the murder of jews in israel over
00:16:14.380the weekend in one of the most atrocious heinous acts that we have seen since 2001 and the worst
00:16:21.620day for the jewish community since the holocaust this was not a protest these people were celebrating0.80
00:16:29.460these murders by handing out candy and jumping up and down and yelling their support for hamas
00:16:36.660and all joyous over the murder of jews so to me that was just disgusting i couldn't believe the0.58
00:16:45.220police and i was on the police as much as i was on these loony these lunatics because first of all
00:16:53.380hamas is a registered terrorist group in canada it has been since 1987. it is illegal to support
00:17:05.060a terrorist group in canada you're subject to arrest and seizure of your assets under section
00:17:12.34083 of the anti-terrorism act so how the police were allowing this to even go on is beyond me
00:17:20.740but of course now you know it's all clear canada is no longer a country run by the rule of law
00:17:28.500if it was run by the rule of law these people this this celebration would have been broken up
00:17:34.420those people should have been arrested as supporters of a terrorist group and the one
00:17:40.340policeman said to me he said i said hamas is a registered terrorist group she said that's your
00:17:46.260opinion i said that's not my opinion that's canadian law these are terrorists you cannot
00:17:53.700support a terrorist group in canada or you're subject to arrest there's no way that any of these
00:18:00.100other protests either should be allowed to happen because they're all in support of a vicious
00:18:06.260inhuman medieval barbarian terrorist group and that's illegal in canada so why the police are
00:18:17.060letting this go on well it's not really beyond me i used to say oh it's beyond me it's not beyond me
00:18:23.220canada doesn't run on the rule of law anymore canada's run sorry oh that's quite all right i
00:18:30.020was just going to interject so yeah that that uh precedent has been long established uh i talked to
00:18:35.940to you on the phone about that the other day. Like, you know, I was quite active in the past
00:18:39.300and I went to an Al-Quds protest, which is, you know, an annual celebration of anti-Semitism.
00:18:44.320And I counter-protested with some others down there, just a handful of us. And the police got
00:18:51.700on my case. And this is back when we came from a bar to there. I was not drunk, but he smelled beer
00:18:56.140on my breath. He says, are you drunk? You know, the police officer getting in my face.
00:19:01.180I could take you in for public intoxication. I'm not drunk. I said, look, and the thing that got
00:19:04.980him worked up was when I pointed because they were waving a bunch of Hezbollah flags at that one0.87
00:19:09.000and I mean that's the yellow flag with an AK-47 on it it makes no bones about it it's a terrorist
00:19:15.960flag I said why are you not intervening with these terrorists over there he did not like that
00:19:20.900question he didn't want I don't think though I'll play a little devil's advocate with what happened
00:19:25.300with yourself with what happened to me I don't know if it's so much the police officers support
00:19:28.860the terrorists but they'll kind of pick the smaller side to try and defuse things and get
00:19:34.540separated and pulling the heck out of there because it's too hard to deal with i mean it's a
00:19:37.980lazy way to deal with it but i don't know if it's necessarily taking a side it certainly is and the
00:19:46.540the uh officer who seemed to be in charge told me that they're neutral they can't pick sides i said
00:19:53.820that's ridiculous this is a registered terrorist group it's illegal to support a terrorist group
00:19:59.260in canada he said oh that's above my pay grade so i said oh so you're just following orders
00:20:07.180oh yes well i said you know just following orders is illegal under the nuremberg laws
00:20:14.380you can't use that as an excuse you the police are under no obligation to obey an immoral or
00:20:21.980illegal order and the order to stand down and allow at least this celebration last monday
00:20:29.440thanksgiving the order to stand down and allow that to go on was at certainly illegal and
00:20:38.460absolutely immoral to allow these people to run around handing out candy dancing for joy at the0.51
00:20:45.080murder of israeli citizens was illegal and immoral and the police are under no obligation
00:20:51.320no matter who, the mayor, the chief of police, each individual officer is under no obligation
00:20:58.240to obey an immoral, illegal order. So, it gets, like, difficult. Like, we saw the Eretria,
00:21:06.420and I could be mispronouncing that as well, you know, the riot that broke out in North Calgary,
00:21:10.000and that was two factions that basically chose to get together and attack each other over something
00:21:15.440that was happening, you know, overseas and the police, I think, again, we're just caught off
00:21:21.280guard. And if they'd tried to interview and they could have made a bad situation worse, I still
00:21:25.500think they dropped the ball on a bunch of levels, but they also, they can be overrun. Like again,
00:21:31.220I'm just playing, you know, devil's advocate, but if things had been allowed, if the police had
00:21:35.300waded into the crowds and tried to start arresting people, would they have had the means or ability
00:21:39.860to do so well they could have done it before this whole thing started they should have done it the
00:21:46.820minute these terrorists showed up in front of city hall it's amazing how these guys are always
00:21:54.180standing in front of city hall and anyone who opposes them is across the street so the image
00:22:02.100you always have is the terrorists with city hall behind them as if city hall supports them and
00:22:10.420visually and morally now we know city hall is behind them everyone else is always banished to
00:22:18.340the other side of the street aren't they but the police you don't wait till 500 people show up
00:22:24.340you break it up the minute they start their stuff the minute they bring out their their pro hamas
00:22:31.300rhetoric flags signs anything that's when you break it up when there's three or four people there
00:22:37.620because these people won't fight the police they don't fight armies and police they attack
00:22:44.180civilians women and children and and that's their their uh metier and that's as i pointed out they're
00:22:53.220always standing behind their women and children always these big brave fighters i have pictures
00:22:59.540I mean, listen, these people lost me in 72 at Munich.
00:24:31.760Because, I mean, this conference had nothing to do with the conflict.
00:24:34.860This conference had nothing to do with Israel itself, even.
00:24:38.020It was just a conference discussing anti-Semitism.
00:24:40.700The only thing, I guess, that can be thanked for those protesters is they put a punctuation mark on how big the problem of anti-Semitism really is when they'd be so bold as to break up a conference like that.
00:24:50.840well hate laws are moot in canada i mean why have hate laws if you can get away with that
00:24:59.300what is what is the good of a hate law if you can go out on the street and celebrate the murder of
00:25:05.820innocent civilians and you know jews are 1.4 percent of canada's population and they are the
00:25:13.660victims of 47 percent of hate crimes and that has gone up every year since trudeau's opened the
00:25:21.480borders for immigration so what you're doing is you're basically importing a bunch of anti-semites
00:25:27.600i mean hardcore anti-semites into your country without vetting them at all i mean they don't
00:25:34.860know who any of these people are and they don't care as long as they vote liberal or liberal
00:25:41.900They're about as illiberal as you can get.
00:27:19.100So you stay in your house and don't say anything and give up all your rights for a little bit of so-called security as long as you have the correct opinions.
00:27:37.340Let's face it, the ex-Chief Justice of the Canadian Supreme Court, Beverly McLaughlin, now works for the Communist Chinese in Hong Kong, enforcing their illegal takeover of that territory and helping to oppress those people and deny them their rights.0.63
00:27:59.880so you don't expect any satisfaction from the courts. The police do as they're told by their0.62
00:28:07.200political masters. They're just following orders. Well, and I mean, I would like to think at least
00:28:13.960one of the best ways we can take care of things is at least a counterpoint if you feel that way
00:28:21.940with things. Get out, make your voice heard, make sure that it's not just 10 people on one side of
00:28:26.260the street and 200 on the other because the optics matter uh before i i let you go like uh
00:28:31.820there are groups like the jewish defense league and and others or things like that where can
00:28:36.600people find information if they were interested in taking part in those sorts of counter protests
00:28:40.040oh well um the jewish defense league web page is a great one i mean i started on this um
00:28:49.780Because after the Al-Quds Day rally in 2014, where an old couple were beat up by the terrorists on the streets of Calgary,
00:29:02.260this old couple spent six weeks in hospital, and the two men convicted of beating them up were tried and convicted,
00:29:11.940and their sentence was to write a letter of apology to their victims.
00:29:16.400surely the lightest sentence ever for putting someone in hospital in the history of western
00:29:21.960jurisprudence as far as i could find no one ever got sentenced to write a letter
00:29:27.140you know to their victims after they beat them up and put them in the hospital for six weeks
00:29:32.800but the jewish defense league there's all kinds of jewish web pages that that are out there and
00:29:39.680it's pretty easy to find out where these things are and when they're happening al-quds day
00:29:45.860is always around and uh you know none of these things ever they never get a city permit to do
00:29:52.900this so another good way is to call the city call the police call your local politicians call your
00:29:59.940mps and say that you want to put a stop to this we want the law to be enforced you cannot support
00:30:07.960terrorists designated terrorist groups i mean to me that's the best way of course show up
00:30:15.840Make your voice heard. Every time these lunatics get on the street, I'm going to be there myself. And I hope a lot more people start showing up in support of our Jewish neighbors. Because that's the first thing the cops ask me, too. Are you Jewish? I said, no, I'm not Jewish.
00:30:34.860you know it should be irrelevant anyways well i the segment's gone quickly i i knew it would but
00:30:41.840i appreciate you coming on to talk to me today and then it's true i mean if if we don't stand
00:30:46.480up and speak for ourselves then we're allowing the others to own the microphone and things only
00:30:50.740become worse so uh the weather is good the conflict's bad but uh you know don't uh be
00:30:56.660afraid to go out and speak your mind at these things and show that there's another side so
00:31:00.760So thanks for getting out there and thank you for coming on to talk to me
00:31:04.520today. And I hope we get to talk again soon.