Western Standard - CMS： Where are the bodies？

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Good day. Welcome to the Corey Morgan Show. I am, of course, Corey Morgan. This is the weekly show

00:00:36.260 on the Western Standard. I'll cover some news issues. I'll do some ranting. I'll talk to some

00:00:40.780 guests. All that good stuff. I see some of the regulars checking in. Gary Paradoxy, Mr.

00:00:46.280 Stonely all present. Yes, use that comment scroll, guys. This being live means we can interact. I

00:00:52.340 mean, I won't necessarily read every comment out, but I see them all there and it helps the

00:00:57.140 conversation keeps things rolling so by all means use it including you there scott even if you are

00:01:01.520 from up in fort mac so uh just uh the always the reminder on that though keep things civil we don't

00:01:07.720 have to uh get on each other's cases we can debate without getting too out of hand you know if you

00:01:13.140 really want to go nuts go on twitter that's what it's for then you can just block each other

00:01:16.600 eventually all right so i got a good show lined up today we've got a colin craig he's been on

00:01:22.220 before he's with secondstreet.org and they've got some interesting kind of one good news piece on

00:01:27.440 health care that they've put out and one that's pretty concerning on health care. We're going to

00:01:31.860 talk about those things though because of course health care is always top of mind for citizens

00:01:35.840 every election. It just seems it's the the biggest issue everybody has when they're polled until

00:01:40.860 somebody proposes changing anything and then they all curl up and say no no we gotta keep it how it

00:01:45.240 is. All right we should start things off with my usual rant and I'll tell you what's got me

00:01:50.160 wound up today. So, well, where do I start? Well, I know where I have to start. One of two things

00:01:56.960 has happened on the site of the former Indian residential school in Kamloops, B.C. So either

00:02:03.900 we have one of the most horrific mass murders of children in history that has occurred there,

00:02:08.260 or it's one of the most socially damaging hoaxes we've ever seen in modern memory or modern history.

00:02:14.840 In either case, it's critical that excavations are carried out to confirm just what happened.

00:02:21.340 It's been over two years since over 200 sites considered to be possible child's graves were identified with ground penetrating radar, also known as GPR, but no further investigation into the matter appears to have been done.

00:02:36.180 Could you imagine the outrage if we never excavated and investigated at the Picton Farm site when it was discovered that murders had taken place there?

00:02:43.740 The allegations at the Kamloops school site are more horrific and involve several orders,

00:02:48.600 more victims than Picton's acts, yet there's been no forensic follow-up.

00:02:54.160 When the GPR anomalies at the school site were publicly reported in 2021,

00:02:58.120 it rocked the nation and made international headlines.

00:03:01.100 We had protests erupting across the country.

00:03:03.540 Over 70 churches have been burned to the ground.

00:03:06.520 Canadian flags were kept at half-mast for over six months,

00:03:10.020 and a new national holiday was created to address the tragedy.

00:03:13.160 Not to mention, of course, the government floodgates of spending and chronic apologies opened right up.

00:03:18.800 Yet no further investigation was done.

00:03:22.060 Now, of course, people are starting to speak up.

00:03:24.360 They're saying, well, wait, what happened?

00:03:26.740 Questions are being asked, and why shouldn't they be?

00:03:29.480 Stories claimed that 200 children were killed and secretly buried in an apple orchard in the 1950s and 60s.

00:03:38.700 The perpetrators in that case might still be alive and on the loose.

00:03:41.940 Also, shouldn't we be trying to identify these victims so the remains can be repatriated to their families?

00:03:47.240 In response to the questions that people are starting to ask now,

00:03:50.240 the government, though, is responding by saying it might illegalize the questions.

00:03:54.920 An independent special interlocutor on unmarked graves has asked the Justice Department

00:04:00.140 to illegalize what they're calling residential school denialism.

00:04:04.740 And Justice Minister David Labetti has said he's open to the idea.

00:04:08.940 The person assigned to dealing with the alleged graves

00:04:11.540 appears to be more concerned with shutting down discourse

00:04:13.800 than actually dealing with what's happened with these graves.

00:04:17.400 Now, of course, they're using the term denialism purposely

00:04:20.320 to try and draw a parallel to Holocaust deniers.

00:04:24.940 There's several reasons, though, we can't compare the questioning

00:04:27.760 of the lack of investigation into alleged graves

00:04:30.380 with people who question the actual existence of the Holocaust.

00:04:34.620 I mean, to begin with, there were records tracking

00:04:37.260 the horrific mass murder carried out during the Holocaust.

00:04:40.200 The Nazis were actually horrifically meticulous record keepers 0.91

00:04:45.280 when it came to that.

00:04:46.440 It was known who entered those camps and who was killed.

00:04:49.860 Now, residential schools kept record as well.

00:04:52.360 The schools needed to do so,

00:04:53.800 if only to ensure they got their government transfers per child.

00:04:57.360 Deaths were recorded,

00:04:58.700 but there's no records of over 200 children

00:05:01.500 dying and being buried in Kamloops.

00:05:04.180 The Holocaust also had witnesses, 0.84

00:05:05.680 in the millions, actually, from the Allied forces and Russian liberators who showed up in the camps,

00:05:10.480 to local citizens in the areas of the camps, to the survivors of the camps, to the camp guards.

00:05:16.120 The atrocities committed were well witnessed and corroborated. Now, all their stories have been

00:05:22.600 made of children being hung from hooks and thrown into the furnace at the Kamloops School and things

00:05:27.420 such as that, claims that children were taken out in the night and forced to dig graves to bury their

00:05:31.600 compatriots, but there's no corroborating witnesses to these acts. The Holocaust left 0.86

00:05:37.060 millions of families seeking lost loved ones for decades, but there's no records of any families

00:05:43.980 claiming to have had children disappear at the Kamloops residential school site.

00:05:48.200 So where did these kids come from, and where were their families? Where are their families?

00:05:52.500 Most importantly, encountering deniers, the Holocaust had bodies, millions of them,

00:05:58.360 from pits filled with charred bones and ash to mass graves to literal piles of bodies found by

00:06:04.760 liberators. At the Kamloops site, to date, not a single body has been recovered. The count is zero.

00:06:12.660 GPR, it's an effective tool for finding ground disturbances, but it can't distinguish

00:06:16.680 between what could be a grave or what could be an old outhouse pit. Excavations must be done,

00:06:23.020 and this was stated even as part of the original report on the GPR anomalies found at the Kamloops

00:06:27.260 site. In a different site, six months after the Kamloops anomalies were discovered, a GPR survey

00:06:33.420 was carried out on the site of a former hospital in Edmonton, where it was alleged that Indigenous

00:06:37.960 victims of ill treatment were buried. The GPR identified 34 anomalies thought to be graves. Yes,

00:06:43.860 everybody was rending and losing it there. Oh my god, here we go, it's even more. So with the

00:06:49.920 supervision of Indigenous elders, the anomalies were all carefully excavated over the course of

00:06:54.900 several days, but no human remains were found. Not a bit. It's not unreasonable or hateful to

00:07:02.340 ask questions about something as important as the possible mass murder of children.

00:07:06.600 Demanding an investigation of these alleged crimes actually is the opposite of denialism.

00:07:11.380 It's outrageous we've allowed the nation to be turned upside down over the GPR anomalies while

00:07:15.820 refusing to investigate further. There are some very valid reasons to question what may or may

00:07:20.920 not have happened in the old apple orchard and Kamloops. Illegalizing questions won't make them

00:07:26.080 stop. It's only going to convince people something's being covered up. If we want to end what's being

00:07:30.380 called denialism, we need to start digging. Show us the bodies. Then we can get on with trying to

00:07:35.700 find the killers and giving closure to the families. Well, that's what's got me going now,

00:07:40.300 guys. I mean, it's just, it's insane. They talk out of both sides of their wealth, you know?

00:07:45.100 Well, we've had a mass murder. We've had one of those, these horrific things that happened,

00:07:48.000 but no, no, no, we can't investigate further. Well, no, it doesn't work that way. We do have

00:07:52.760 to investigate. We got to find out just what the heck happened there. But apparently pretty soon

00:07:57.120 it's going to be illegal to even ask for that. And that's very, very troubling. All right. Let's

00:08:02.680 get into the newsroom and talk to our news editor, Dave Naylor, and see what else is going on out

00:08:06.660 there. Hey Dave, how you doing? Good morning or afternoon, I guess, Corey. You know what? I'm

00:08:11.180 kind of surprised you showed up for work today. Oh, how so? Well, Greta Thunberg has predicted

00:08:17.960 today will be doomsday i figured you and jane would spend the last day you know letting your

00:08:23.640 bees free and other stuff out in produce geez if i'd have known i probably would have scheduled

00:08:29.240 the day that way i missed marking that on my calendar i guess yeah we had a story up uh

00:08:33.880 yesterday uh five years ago she predicted the world would end today so that looks you know i'm

00:08:38.760 just looking out the window now and you know there's a few hours left in the day but uh i 0.99

00:08:43.560 think she might be wrong corey well we'll see yeah we'll anyways enough about that little idiot 1.00

00:08:52.200 uh you know the uh the internet is full of filth corey nobody knows that more than you but i came 0.99

00:08:58.520 across something the other day that that shocked me to my very core um how is that that that is my

00:09:08.680 old uh yeah private school pictures from sharlagan lake school wow the things you find the internet 0.84

00:09:15.880 eh yeah yeah well it was i was a bit of a pain in the ass kid so my parents outsourced it and sent 0.71

00:09:21.560 me to an all-boys school to have them uh you know uh contract discipline it was effective my marks 0.96

00:09:26.120 went up there you go everything works out in the end uh lots of news to tell you about corey

00:09:32.200 obviously we're all gripped as the entire world is on the the rescue efforts off the coast of

00:09:38.600 newfoundland for the miniature submersible that lost touch on sunday as it made its way four

00:09:44.840 kilometers to the bottom of the floor there's now five ships but in the area and two remote

00:09:54.600 operated vehicles that are searching underwater as well a canadian search and rescue aircraft

00:10:00.360 has heard repeated bangings uh what sound like bangings uh coming uh from from the ocean uh u.s

00:10:07.240 coast guard officials were very uh very careful today to say that they really don't know what

00:10:11.720 those bangs could be but uh you know they're running out of hope corey they got less than 0.97

00:10:17.560 20 hours of air left and as of this moment if they're sitting on the bottom of the ocean floor

00:10:22.760 there's really not a rescue vehicle there uh that has the capability to uh to retrieve them so you

00:10:29.320 You know, we're keeping an eye on that one for you.

00:10:32.760 Other stuff, our columnist Michael Wagner is looking at whether or not Ottawa would even let Alberta leave the country,

00:10:40.820 if that's the way things go.

00:10:44.420 And I know that's a topic close to your heart.

00:10:48.140 Bud Light sales continue to plummet.

00:10:49.980 They were down 26% in the last week alone.

00:10:53.680 And this is ironic, coming as in the worldwide marketing convention, I think it's in France

00:11:00.240 somewhere, Bud Light One, Creative Marketer of the Year.

00:11:04.380 So, wow, you can tank an entire company and still be rewarded for it.

00:11:10.200 We've got video up of Lethbridge MP Thomas talking about how Bill C-18 will undermine

00:11:18.500 journalism in the country.

00:11:19.680 And Ty Northcott is on trial up in Red Deer today for holding his No More Lockdowns rodeo all those years ago.

00:11:28.460 And you remember, Corey, that the health authorities at that time were not pleased and arrested and charged he and his wife after that rodeo.

00:11:38.000 So got lots of other stuff now, stuff coming this afternoon, our energy reporter, Sean Polzer, is looking at a troubling report today that says Russian hackers are looking to cripple the Alberta energy industry.

00:11:53.740 So he's on top of that. And of course, we'll keep up to the minute on the search for this, Corey, and fingers crossed it goes well.

00:12:02.580 Great.

00:12:03.020 Yes, if we don't have enough from Ottawa attacking our energy industry,

00:12:05.780 we need Russian hackers coming after it now.

00:12:08.220 It's just one thing after another.

00:12:10.460 Exactly.

00:12:11.020 I can't catch a break.

00:12:12.640 All right.

00:12:13.100 Well, lots on the go as always.

00:12:14.720 I'll let you get back at it.

00:12:16.280 And thanks for the update, Dave.

00:12:17.820 Thank you, Corey.

00:12:18.920 All right.

00:12:19.440 That is our news editor, Dave Naylor.

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00:12:53.260 there that's a submarine submersible thing i mean it's just the stuff of nightmares right you know

00:12:57.900 know, you don't know if they're still down there hammering on the side of that thing in terror or

00:13:02.520 if perhaps they've passed or whatever. Uh, I, I, I just, uh, I guess, you know, there's, there's

00:13:09.100 thrill seeking and there's adventures, but you really want to pick some of your adventures a

00:13:12.460 little more carefully. It sounds more and more news is coming out about that thing too, that

00:13:16.000 for all the money that went into it, this whole, uh, affair of getting down there was kind of

00:13:20.520 half-assed with what they built and put together. I mean, I clearly at this point, it wasn't a

00:13:25.680 100% reliable. Either way, I mean, still, you don't wish passing on anybody. There's still

00:13:32.040 some time, you never know, we'll hope for the best, that maybe that this thing will be located

00:13:36.440 and these people can be saved. I don't know. But it's just, you know, could you imagine? You know,

00:13:42.680 I think that's part of why it's gripping the world too. I mean, everybody envisioning,

00:13:45.920 if you ever want to think about claustrophobia and such, I mean, just imagining being in that

00:13:51.240 circumstances. It's just, I guess, it sends chills through the spine. All right. Let's see. I'll get

00:13:57.080 to my guests pretty quickly here, but I'm going to talk first, maybe just something to kick a little

00:14:01.260 away from the submarine issue. Talk about people who live in comfort, and that would be our prime

00:14:04.880 minister, you know, the king of the $6,000 a night hotel room during the Queen's funeral. Well, he

00:14:10.100 hasn't learned from it, or maybe it doesn't matter. He seems to be as popular as ever, so what should

00:14:15.020 he learn about it? But I guess there was a two-day trip to an anti-poverty summit. There's the irony

00:14:20.280 is just, just drips from these guys. And on anti-poverty summit in New York City, the prime

00:14:26.080 minister went there because it was very important because he, he really knows about ground level

00:14:29.360 poverty, I tell you. And they rang up $61,000 in hotel bills in two days. Justin Trudeau and his

00:14:37.960 little entourage, well, obviously not little to tell everybody about how to battle poverty

00:14:43.200 managed to run up $61,000, just hotel bills. We're not talking about the rest of the bills for his

00:14:49.240 travel and everything else. He's completely indifferent. He really is. You know, he's in

00:14:54.300 another world, but again, his, his support numbers seem as high as ever. So I don't know what it

00:14:59.560 takes. I mean, I don't expect the prime minister to travel somewhere and stay in a super eight.

00:15:05.200 I understand that, but I mean, do they have even a little, I'm certain over the course of two days,

00:15:10.480 they could have come in at a little less than $61,000 in hotel bills for really, what was it

00:15:15.640 him just showing up to give a 20-minute speech at one point or something. This is ridiculous. 0.95

00:15:21.080 These stories keep coming up between him and our governor general and the rest of them in that 0.95

00:15:25.860 world of Ottawa. I don't know. They're just outside of reality. Okay, let's get on and talk

00:15:31.640 to Colin Craig of secondstreet.org. He's been on before, and there's some new stuff, a couple of

00:15:37.200 items on the healthcare file we can talk about. Hey, Colin, how are you doing? Good. How are you,

00:15:41.680 Corey? Uh, pretty good. Pretty good. Yes. Just, uh, running through all the things, you know,

00:15:46.540 I rant, I rave, I let the veins get going on my head, but it's actually, uh, I'm quite happy in

00:15:51.020 my own little way. Well, you got a lot to work with these days. There's a lot happening in the

00:15:55.160 news, isn't there? Oh boy. I mean, I almost have to expand the length of the show, but it would,

00:16:00.280 that meant it would be too much for me. Um, I guess I just wanted to, uh, there's a couple of

00:16:06.320 things you guys put out recently. I'll start briefly on one that's a little bit older. Cause

00:16:09.720 I mean, it's kind of a positive and a negative story you guys got going out that there was some

00:16:14.200 progress on wait times and waiting lists that actually was getting a little better

00:16:19.020 in healthcare. That's unusual to see these days. Can you expand a bit on that?

00:16:23.880 Yeah. And I was just trying to pull up the numbers here so I've got them and can refer to them, but

00:16:28.120 everyone knows that since COVID arrived in Canada, waiting lists got worse. The backlog of number of

00:16:35.440 people waiting for surgery, diagnostic scans to see a specialist. It got worse too. And so last

00:16:42.400 year, we launched a website called CanadaWeights.ca, where we've been asking governments

00:16:48.280 regularly for data on how many people are waiting for surgery to see a specialist to receive a

00:16:54.380 diagnostic scan and so forth. And we've been tracking that over time, asking governments

00:16:59.520 periodically what their numbers are. And it's not the easiest exercise. I mean, you would think

00:17:04.380 intuitively, they would all want to know and have these figures at the these figures at their

00:17:08.180 fingertips, but it's not always the case. And what we've actually found is from January of this year

00:17:14.400 to May, there was a positive reduction in the number of people waiting for a diagnostic scan

00:17:20.200 that dropped by close to 300,000 cases. When it comes to surgery, there was a slight drop there,

00:17:28.040 about 13,000 cases in the number of people waiting. And then to see a specialist, we saw an increase

00:17:34.920 there. It was part of it was due to getting some information from a province that we didn't have

00:17:39.680 data from before. But on the whole, we're seeing, you know, some positive signs. I think that this

00:17:45.860 crisis that we have in healthcare is going to persist for a long time still though.

00:17:50.500 Yeah. Well, I just want to start with at least a little bit of a positive note, you know, and segue

00:17:54.780 way into your more recent just released out there, which is where you found that, because I mean,

00:18:00.760 one of the things that we're going to deal with waiting lists, we're going to deal with waiting

00:18:02.940 times. We know we need more healthcare professionals. There's a labor shortage all

00:18:06.320 over the place. And you found that almost 10,000 healthcare professionals are licensed to work down

00:18:14.840 in the United States now. Yeah. And a big asterisk beside that figure is that that's only border

00:18:22.500 states so if you think about all the states along the canada u.s border so washington state montana

00:18:29.620 north dakota uh new york pennsylvania and so forth um michigan rather uh those jurisdictions

00:18:39.540 we contacted them because they will issue licenses for nurses and doctors and we asked for data how

00:18:45.140 many of these are canadian and what they were able to share with us are cases where the mailing

00:18:50.260 address for these individuals is a Canadian address so it's a lowball figure because if you

00:18:57.300 let's say you grew up in Ontario and you moved you're a nurse and you've been working in their

00:19:04.180 system for 20 years and you moved to the United States 10 years ago well you're still really

00:19:08.740 you know a Canadian you just happened to have moved and now your mailing address is a U.S.

00:19:12.980 address so though all those types of cases wouldn't be captured and obviously we wouldn't have data

00:19:18.980 for cases like California and Texas and Florida and other states where they might be seen as a

00:19:24.960 desirable location for Canadians to move to. But yeah, 10,000 issued by border states, a huge

00:19:32.200 number coming from Ontario, which isn't too surprising given that you have a large population

00:19:36.940 in Windsor and then also in the sort of St. Catherine's, Niagara Falls area where they're

00:19:41.640 close to Buffalo and obviously Windsor's across the river there from Detroit. So

00:19:47.800 So lots of cases of these workers commuting.

00:19:52.340 So they live in Canada, they work in the U.S.

00:19:54.620 And other cases, these workers indicated to us in a survey that they're not working there yet, but they're planning to.

00:20:02.620 So there's an opportunity here for government-run hospitals.

00:20:06.840 They look to fill our labor shortage to try and recruit some of these workers who are working in the States,

00:20:13.400 but then also to try to prevent them from leaving.

00:20:16.800 So that's what the government can do. The positive thing that we're seeing in Canada more and more is that governments are hiring private clinics to provide healthcare services to the public. And so there's an opportunity for these private clinics to offer these workers the types of work arrangements, whether it's compensation or working conditions or the scheduling, whatever, that they're looking for that maybe the government has been too slow and inflexible and unwilling to provide to these workers.

00:20:45.340 So there's an opportunity there for these private clinics to maybe recruit some of these workers and ultimately lead to an increase in healthcare staff in Canada.

00:20:54.140 Yeah, good, because that's what I wanted to ask further on it.

00:20:57.260 I mean, did you find out a bit of what is driving people to decide to cross the border to work, whether it's daytime commuters or a full-out planning on emigration? 0.95

00:21:07.180 It's still a bit of a pain in the butt. 0.80

00:21:08.700 That's a fair drive. 0.88

00:21:09.960 It's crossing customs every day.

00:21:11.200 So, I mean, you've really got to either not like what the opportunities are on

00:21:15.340 your side of the border, or they've got to be offering something very good on

00:21:18.220 that, the other side to, to make it worth your while to do this.

00:21:21.480 Yeah.

00:21:21.760 So in, in one of the States, we were able to get really good data for

00:21:26.440 contact information for these workers.

00:21:29.140 And that was Michigan.

00:21:29.980 We were able to get actually get email addresses for the nurses.

00:21:33.120 And so we emailed them a survey and we said, ask them a number of questions.

00:21:36.400 One of which is why did you decide to work in the U S and intuitively, I

00:21:40.520 think a lot of people would think okay well they're going across for money um and that is

00:21:45.800 true in some of the cases but the number one reason was actually availability of work and a

00:21:51.640 lot of nurses told us that they were offered part-time roles in canada they didn't want that

00:21:56.200 they didn't want to have a part-time job where they would constantly have to be taking extra shifts

00:22:02.680 and not knowing when those shifts are in order to raise their income to a full-time level so what

00:22:09.080 they uh did was they just decided well i'll go work in detroit because they're offering me a

00:22:13.560 full-time job there i get benefits there's maybe some other perks in that one in one case someone

00:22:18.360 told us they didn't have to pay for parking you know so there's uh things like that all kinds of

00:22:24.040 reasons why these workers were deciding on this the the us uh in that survey they told us the

00:22:30.280 second most common reason was compensation but then the third was working conditions so the

00:22:35.880 majority of these nurses decided to work in the us it wasn't because of money it was actually 0.93

00:22:40.760 because of working conditions and the availability of work so those are things that governments can

00:22:47.880 work to address without having to open up the purse strings so you know there's all kinds of

00:22:53.720 i think things that governments could learn from this but one of which is it's a big opportunity

00:22:58.040 to try and sit down and recruit some of these workers yeah well unfortunately a lot of political

00:23:03.160 football always gets played about this. We saw it in the Alberta election recently with

00:23:07.020 health professionals saying they were going to leave the province if the election didn't go this

00:23:10.580 way or that way or unions threatening. But they talked mostly of saying they were going to leave

00:23:15.140 on a lateral basis, perhaps they'd go to another province to work. But, you know, the problems seem

00:23:21.260 to be the same in every province when it comes to some challenges with health care. So I guess,

00:23:26.200 you know, we should be looking at what's drawing people to the south rather than to what's on the

00:23:30.540 east and west of our provinces yeah i think that's part of it and you know in the case of

00:23:35.080 surveying nurses they told us uh some of them said the problem is the union they don't want 0.53

00:23:39.900 to work in an environment where the union is defending people that are underperforming and

00:23:44.340 not working hard but that's what unions often do and so that was a concern that was raised others

00:23:49.340 raised the point that they're working in detroit they've been working there for years maybe 10 20

00:23:54.040 years whatever they've got all this experience they're good at their jobs and if they come back

00:23:58.200 to Canada and work in a government-run hospital where it's a unionized environment while they're

00:24:03.180 suddenly at the bottom of the seniority list. So that is a concern. I mean, if you've been in your

00:24:08.960 career for 20 years, do you want to, you know, go work in an environment where you're kind of

00:24:12.600 thought of as a rookie? I don't think a lot of people would want to do that. So that is a concern

00:24:18.320 where I think maybe the unions have to be a little bit flexible. And, you know, if we're all focused

00:24:23.920 on putting patients first which is what the health care system should be all about then yeah maybe

00:24:28.720 the unions need to think about how they could be a bit flexible to make sure that there are enough

00:24:32.160 workers um but again that's public system in the private sector typically these clinics they're not

00:24:38.000 unionized uh they're a lot flatter in terms of the hierarchy so if you are coming in as a nurse and

00:24:44.640 you want to negotiate maybe something in particular to that works with your schedule your lifestyle

00:24:50.880 whatever, it's probably a lot easier to negotiate with your supervisor, whoever can get that

00:24:56.300 approved, rather than going through the big government bureaucratic structure to get something

00:25:01.000 addressed. So that's obviously more common in the US is that they have more of these private

00:25:08.080 clinics and private hospitals, and there's more flexibility there. So that might be something

00:25:12.240 that we might want to learn from how they do it. So you had mentioned, though, that more private

00:25:18.780 uh clinics have been opening up in canada and and providing those options for healthcare workers and

00:25:23.580 patients uh we we we hear about that but i mean it's often a big battle and i mean bc the the

00:25:29.500 courts are shutting down some clinics uh you know does that clash with the health act or not

00:25:36.140 well there's two issues the first issue is uh governments hiring a private clinic to provide

00:25:42.460 services to patients in the public system so let's say that heaven forbid core you uh you require hip

00:25:49.580 surgery and the alberta government might say okay corey uh you know you're on x month waiting list

00:25:55.580 or whatever and when it's your turn you can either get your your hip done at a government hospital

00:26:00.700 or they send you off to a private clinic if you go to the private clinic you go in they do the

00:26:05.820 surgery uh when it comes time to leave you're not given the bill the government's paying for it just

00:26:10.940 as if you were having that done in a government run hospital so there's no real difference to

00:26:16.140 the patient it's the same the private clinics have to meet the same standard of care and so forth

00:26:21.340 it just means that uh you know someone is employed by someone differently than what happens right now

00:26:27.260 so that's the one approach governments have been embracing that across the country uh even in

00:26:33.180 british columbia where they take a very abrasive relationship with the private sector and health

00:26:38.060 care under the current government there they even were working with private clinics to reduce their

00:26:44.060 backlogs so we've been seeing that more and more ontario has really aggressively started to go in

00:26:51.340 this direction they've premier ford there has mused about upwards of half of elective surgeries

00:26:57.340 being done by private clinics in the years ahead so they really uh taken uh embrace this this idea

00:27:04.140 and it it actually works it worked quite well in in saskatchewan they were able to reduce their

00:27:08.780 wait times uh and multiple studies found that the the costs were actually lower too because the

00:27:14.300 private sector is just more efficient or often can be i should say so that's the one approach when it

00:27:20.700 comes to the government hiring private clinics to provide services to the public the other option

00:27:26.860 is let's say uh corey you don't want to wait x number of months to get your your hip or your

00:27:32.540 need on and you want to just pay for it somewhere and get it done quicker well this is the contentious

00:27:38.940 issue where there's all kinds of uh it can be a mess in this country to be blunt so what happened

00:27:47.020 recently with the supreme court is they refused to hear a case that would have potentially brought

00:27:52.620 that right to patients in british columbia and potentially across the nation would be to allow

00:27:58.940 people the right to use the public system or pay for something at a private clinic.

00:28:04.060 That's what Quebecers have right now. The Supreme Court gave Quebecers that right in 2005 0.81

00:28:10.300 because the waiting lists were so long. And so what was happening recently was British Columbia

00:28:17.020 was essentially a private clinic there was trying to get that right to patients across the country

00:28:21.660 and obviously in British Columbia. And the Supreme Court refused to hear the case.

00:28:26.220 so now the supreme court has created two-tier health care in canada where quebec patients

00:28:30.860 have more rights when it comes to health care than everyone else in the rest of the country

00:28:36.780 well here's some of the irony of the whole thing too that in bc where they've been a little more

00:28:40.700 jealous and trying to stop uh attempted reforms we heard the story recently with some bc cancer 0.57

00:28:45.980 patients were actually being sent to the united states to get treatment because they couldn't

00:28:49.820 keep up with things in bc and ironically i wouldn't be surprised if they had some canadian

00:28:54.380 nurses or doctors were the ones actually treating them on that side of the border yeah it's there's

00:28:59.420 all kinds of irony in this and yeah you're right they're they're sending patients to uh to bc uh

00:29:04.860 for cancer in ontario actually some patients are going across the border to quebec because they

00:29:10.380 can pay for uh private procedures there so you've got cancer patients in ontario going to a quebec

00:29:17.420 private health facility and paying for cancer treatment and this is where it gets really weird

00:29:22.780 with our rules. Right now, you can go to another province and pay for private surgeries. You cannot

00:29:30.860 pay in Alberta. I can't either as an Alberta patient. As a Manitoban, you couldn't pay in

00:29:36.100 Manitoba. You could go and pay in Saskatchewan. So it's just, it makes no sense at all, especially

00:29:42.120 when governments are always lecturing us about reducing our carbon footprint. They won't let us

00:29:46.680 pay for health procedures locally, but we can go to another province to pay. So as one example,

00:29:52.380 we actually just did a video on this and we've got it on our social media pages if anyone wants

00:29:56.540 to see it. Someone in Calgary will often go to say Vancouver to pay for hip surgery while a

00:30:03.660 Vancouverite will go to Calgary to pay for hip surgery. It makes no sense to force people to

00:30:08.920 leave their local community where they can get this done for a lower cost because if you don't

00:30:17.260 have to pay the extra cost for travel and accommodations and whatever then you save

00:30:21.540 money that way you could recover if you could do it locally you could recover with your family

00:30:25.840 around you and support systems uh and then there's uh you know just ultimately having more choice

00:30:32.100 and being able to do it locally so there's lots of benefits of it but we just we're stuck in this

00:30:37.100 1970s kind of socialist mindset where we really restrict the options that canadians have and it

00:30:44.520 hurts the environment hurts patients it's it's just all around not a good not not a good approach

00:30:48.820 well it does sound like sort of kicking and screaming reality is kind of starting to set

00:30:53.280 in though and that's good and some reforms might might come along yet um so i mean in closing uh

00:30:59.600 where can we find more information about this the full uh release from you guys and some of your

00:31:03.920 other healthcare work because you got some great videos and things up there yeah thank you uh we're

00:31:08.280 on youtube facebook to search for secondstreet.org on there you'll find us our website obviously is

00:31:14.360 secondstreet.org. Uh, we're on Twitter as well and Instagram and, uh, the usual social media

00:31:20.240 platforms and people can, can see what we're up to and read our reports and see all the,

00:31:24.480 the evidence that we gather and, and, uh, hopefully it helps inform their, their, uh,

00:31:29.740 what they know about healthcare in this country and other topics.

00:31:32.640 Well, thanks Colin for joining me again today. And, and yeah, just always offering some good

00:31:36.720 common sense and, you know, stats based stuff on, on this healthcare issue. Cause as I said,

00:31:40.600 It's always a top issue with Canadians in every election,

00:31:43.320 yet when it comes time to talk about changing anything,

00:31:45.140 then everybody turtles up.

00:31:46.140 So we really need to have these discussions

00:31:47.720 to make people understand

00:31:48.780 that reform isn't necessarily a bad thing.

00:31:52.560 We need it.

00:31:53.960 The healthcare system is collapsing in this country.

00:31:56.880 It's been a crisis situation for a long time.

00:31:59.960 And unless we have the courage to start reforming things,

00:32:02.620 it's gonna stay in rough shape.

00:32:04.940 And heaven forbid any of us actually need the system

00:32:08.340 because it might not be there.

00:32:10.600 Oh, and that's going to have the most tragic events. All right. Well, thanks, Colin. And

00:32:15.520 I'm sure we'll talk again soon down the road. Sounds good. Thanks again, Corey.

00:32:19.740 Thank you. So yeah, I was calling Craig of secondstreet.org. Yeah. And yeah, the time goes

00:32:25.140 fast because it's such a big issue and there's so much to cover. But I mean, there's some, you know,

00:32:30.360 things to speak of on that. I'm just trying to get to the commenter I had seen from Corey Young,

00:32:36.100 for example, a commenter said, public hospitals don't have enough staff, but private clinics do.

00:32:40.380 now we know why the private steals from the public system. Well, no, actually, the private

00:32:45.940 competes with the public system and the public system isn't keeping up the standard to maintain

00:32:51.380 and keep their staff. So what should happen is the public system should figure out what's going

00:32:56.080 wrong and should adapt. And it's not being stolen, of course. We can't force people. Well, that's what

00:33:02.320 we try to do in Canada with our health system. It's so rigid is force people to do things and

00:33:07.440 they're going across the border to the states. See, there's the thing people have to learn. It's

00:33:11.040 not just patients crossing the border now to get away from Canada's rigid system. It's the staff.

00:33:16.780 And that's just going to compound the problem we have of waiting lists and problems that was

00:33:20.360 already a big issue. So we need to examine why. Why is it superior then to work in a private

00:33:28.900 environment? It doesn't mean a public one can't do so. It just, they need to change things.

00:33:34.040 Rob Taylor saying nobody should be able to jump the line by paying for health care service.

00:33:38.800 Provincial systems contracting privately provided services as long as patients don't have to pay.

00:33:42.780 Well, I don't agree, Rob.

00:33:44.640 I mean, the thing is, people will pay anyways, but they'll go to Montana to do it.

00:33:49.600 You know, why not?

00:33:51.140 I'm okay if a guy next to me pays to get to the line first because he's paying out of pocket to subsidize me getting to the line faster.

00:34:00.880 You know, if he wants to pay out of pocket, so be it.

00:34:03.140 going to anyhow. So if it's speeding it up for everybody else while we're at it, it's keeping

00:34:07.920 more healthcare professionals here, then why not? As long as we still have full coverage for

00:34:13.220 everybody else. We've got to set aside the envy because it doesn't matter if we're all equally

00:34:18.980 miserable, we're still miserable. And we've got to look at the, you just try to get the best

00:34:24.040 outcomes we can. And some of our stubbornness with this is holding it back. And something that

00:34:31.440 we keep saying is so, so important. But as I said, we're always fearful when people actually talk

00:34:36.900 about reforming it though. And now we're losing the professionals. That's a different, that's why

00:34:41.400 I wanted to talk to Colin about it. We've heard about, you know, healthcare tourism and people

00:34:45.320 leaving to get treatment and things for a long time, but we haven't heard so much about Canadian

00:34:49.320 workers leaving our system to go to work down there. And that's problematic. I mean, we can't

00:34:54.860 just spring up more healthcare workers out of the ground like daisies. They're difficult to find and

00:35:01.020 train and get into place. So let's look at why we're losing them and see how we can change our

00:35:07.180 system to make it better. Let's see here, what else we got going on? You know, getting back to

00:35:15.300 the residential school and the burials, you know, some other people saying that there's nothing

00:35:21.520 there. There's nothing to be found if we excavate and things like that. I don't know. You know,

00:35:26.500 that's most of what I'm saying when it comes to that, is we

00:35:29.740 don't know, we have to excavate to find out. I'm not sitting

00:35:34.040 here to say that there's no human remains at the Camelot

00:35:38.240 site. None have been found yet. But the other thing is nobody's

00:35:42.580 looked. And this is really starting to make some of us

00:35:46.280 scratch our heads. I mean, come on. But why haven't you

00:35:48.980 followed through? This is huge. We aren't even trying to look a

00:35:54.440 little further yet? We should be pretty concerned. This is serious stuff. Rob Taylor also saying,

00:36:02.560 bust the government unions and fix the system. Yeah, unions are, I mean, you see, unions are

00:36:09.020 right. You know, organized labor is a right. Collective bargaining is right. So we can't get

00:36:13.240 rid of them. But we should have some means to allow staff to avoid the make the unions compete

00:36:18.820 as well. And the way to do that is to have more, yeah, private non-union options to compete for

00:36:26.440 those employees and staff. Those who don't want to deal with the union can choose those. And if

00:36:30.440 there's too many people, as far as the union is concerned, going to the alternative facilities to

00:36:35.740 work, well, the unions are going to have to learn how to keep their own members around, won't they?

00:36:40.320 You know, monopolies, that's what it always comes down to, is monopolies. When there's a monopoly,

00:36:47.420 we all lose. The consumer always lose. In this case, it's a healthcare consumer. We still all

00:36:52.380 lose if there's only one provider. A couple of things. Okay. I want to clarify a little more on

00:36:58.580 the Kamloops thing because I see a couple of commenters too. So I've had a lot of this

00:37:02.460 discussion on social media about that with Kamloops and the GPR. And one was saying you'll

00:37:07.780 always find bones, you'll find bones in a graveyard. And James saying, we're not allowed

00:37:12.700 to talk about the unmarked graves. Yes. Okay. See, we got two issues going on, two. And one of

00:37:19.680 the issues is that people think that this was a known graveyard. It wasn't. Okay. A bunch of the,

00:37:26.600 what happened once these GPR anomalies were found in Kamloops, they started doing GPR at known

00:37:34.120 cemeteries all over the place, all across Western Canada, and found more anomalies in known

00:37:39.640 graveyard. So yes, they went to a graveyard and they identified graves. And they were unmarked

00:37:44.000 because yes, if you go to even if I know, because I go regularly through it, the Stony Reserve and

00:37:48.800 in out towards Banff, for example, their cemetery is all full of nothing but wooden crosses. Even

00:37:54.440 right now, they're going to rot away and they're going to disappear. But Kamloops was different.

00:37:59.540 Kamloops was never a known cemetery. It was a septic field. It was an apple orchard.

00:38:06.320 but it wasn't known as a cemetery that's a little different this was supposedly a place

00:38:12.760 where the priests after they would molest and kill children these are the stories these are

00:38:16.640 the stories and they would get then they'd wake other children up in the night and make them go

00:38:20.380 out with shovels and bury them in the apple orchard and to be honest the stories sound pretty

00:38:26.040 excessive who knows the world's been known to be a pretty sick place so we can't discount anything

00:38:31.960 I mean, we've seen some horrible, horrible things committed by humans against humans many times in history.

00:38:38.500 So I won't say it's impossible, but again, it tells us that we have to get in there and start looking around, find out just what happened.

00:38:47.360 Nobody wants to talk about it.

00:38:50.480 Well, no, lots of us want to talk about it.

00:38:52.400 And that's part of the problem, right?

00:38:53.520 And then the government's talking about making it a crime to talk about it.

00:38:56.560 Well, I guess I'll be charged because, you know, I won't shut up about something that important.

00:39:04.380 Let's see.

00:39:05.360 We'll turn the page a little bit more here.

00:39:07.280 We can talk a little more about federal government hypocrisy.

00:39:10.120 Speaking again, like I talked about Trudeau and his latest massive hotel bill to go and virtue signal down in New York because he has such an understanding of the causes of poverty.

00:39:19.840 Our governor general, you know, the one who spent, I think, what, it was $90,000 on a day trip and stuff like that.

00:39:27.760 She burned through 25,000 liters of jet fuel to give a climate change speech in Finland.

00:39:35.160 Yes.

00:39:35.620 So, again, just her and her entourage.

00:39:39.800 You know, they can't zoom in.

00:39:41.100 The rest of us were expected to for years.

00:39:43.720 But 25,000 liters of fuel, one trip for somebody who, again, she's appointed a governor general.

00:39:49.960 We've got to remember, governor general's a ribbon cutter, guys.

00:39:52.120 They're trained for anything all that special.

00:39:54.560 They're an aristocrat.

00:39:56.260 They're a symbol.

00:39:58.060 So it's really not that essential that we need this person in this position to fly around the world and lecture people on climate change.

00:40:06.560 Where's her expertise on climate change? 0.57

00:40:08.100 What the hell does she know about climate change?

00:40:09.620 She doesn't, but she loves jet setting.

00:40:11.700 she loves flying around she loves burning that fuel which is burning through your tax dollars 0.95

00:40:16.880 and uh it's just an insult to those of us as we got a second carbon tax coming up on us pretty

00:40:23.120 soon as the first one just wasn't enough and uh she's just jet setting around the world i mean

00:40:30.200 she's apparently she's not as uh vile a personality as trudeau's first choice of uh governor generals 0.54

00:40:35.220 were you know she went out and disgraced that last one uh this one's just uh spinning her way out but 1.00

00:40:39.840 She's not abusing the staff as much.

00:40:41.340 In fact, she's probably treating them to caviar, I guess, while they fly around together.

00:40:47.420 Speaking again of the Senate and speaking of, well, speaking of unaccountable government.

00:40:53.980 Yeah, you know, and Tim Burns saying that position should be eliminated.

00:40:56.560 I agree.

00:40:57.020 It should be a republic.

00:40:58.040 We don't need the Queen's representative, well, the King's representative sitting over us any longer.

00:41:03.980 But that would take constitutional reform, which is virtually impossible in this country.

00:41:08.700 So one step at a time.

00:41:11.320 But we should defund it.

00:41:12.960 You know, we don't have to give her a big budget any longer. 1.00

00:41:19.920 She can have her role, I bet you, for the paltry wage of $100,000 a year in expenses. 1.00

00:41:24.620 You know, somebody would take that job and probably do a good job with it.

00:41:28.080 But, you know, okay, let's see here.

00:41:29.900 Actually, yeah, thanks for the reminder there from Chris Gibson saying,

00:41:33.360 what's my opinion on the recent federal by-elections?

00:41:35.480 and um that's uh yeah so there were four by-elections held they were in manitoba and

00:41:42.820 i think ontario want to come back maybe i can't remember exactly where i know there were two in

00:41:45.940 manitoba um maxine bernier was trying to make his mark and and uh show himself as being a viable

00:41:53.020 candidate unfortunately he came in at least unfortunately for him uh with even you know a

00:41:57.300 fewer percentage than the ppc candidate did uh in the general election last time around in that

00:42:03.380 riding in Winnipeg. And he was nowhere even close to winning. So it doesn't bode very well for the

00:42:09.820 PPC, I think, in building an option, but we'll see. The other distressing part is the needle

00:42:16.600 hasn't moved a bit. I mean, two liberal seats, two conservative seats got returns of two liberal

00:42:21.800 seats, two conservative seats. So all of the scandals, all of the cover-ups, all of the crap 0.98

00:42:27.960 going on with Trudeau, his fake position of special rapporteur, and then all of the games 0.89

00:42:34.660 being played, and it doesn't seem to have made a single bit of difference. People are going to vote

00:42:40.660 one way, and they're going to vote the other, which means basically, if we had another election

00:42:48.520 today, we'd probably pretty much have the same bunch in there again. So it gets distressing,

00:42:53.500 because I don't know what on earth it takes.

00:42:55.420 What does it take to get rid of Justin Trudeau's government?

00:43:00.720 It's not healthy for a country to be stuck that badly on a government

00:43:06.460 that is performing so badly.

00:43:10.360 Yeah, we'll see.

00:43:11.580 But those by-elections, well, they didn't give us a lot to read into the tea leaves.

00:43:14.460 We have one more now that just opened up in Alberta.

00:43:16.960 That's in Calgary Heritage.

00:43:18.420 Shuv Majumdar, he's been on the show a couple of times.

00:43:20.600 He's running in it for the Conservatives.

00:43:22.100 and it's a very, very safe seat.

00:43:26.240 It's Calgary Heritage.

00:43:27.540 So there's not much we can read into the tea leaves

00:43:29.940 with what's going to happen with that one.

00:43:31.400 The Conservatives are going to win it handily.

00:43:33.620 So yeah, it gets difficult to break the status quo around here.

00:43:38.200 Where's going next with, yeah,

00:43:40.320 Trudeau's former top public servant.

00:43:43.060 He's now a Senator.

00:43:43.940 You know, there's that great plum rule you get.

00:43:46.300 It's thrown out into the Senate

00:43:48.380 and where you could sit and collect a giant salary

00:43:51.360 and do very little and get a nice pension eventually.

00:43:57.180 And Ian Sugar is the name, and he's warning the way the Senate is structured

00:44:01.340 can give senators a feeling they have more power than they have a right to. 0.82

00:44:05.280 He's saying that the Senate shouldn't be opposing the government.

00:44:08.640 Now, see, this is cutting through some of the BS of Trudeau.

00:44:12.420 One of his reforms he claimed to have been doing when he came in was saying,

00:44:16.740 we're going to end the partisanship in the Senate, and they're no longer liberal senators.

00:44:20.720 they are independent senators. I'll just appoint them, but they'll be independent. No, they aren't.

00:44:26.240 Listen to this clown. Independent? That's not independent at all. In fact, he's chiding the 1.00

00:44:31.220 other senators for their daring to be independent. So no, that's not independent senators whatsoever.

00:44:38.220 End the facade. At least let them wear their partisan colors again, guys. I mean, come on,

00:44:43.600 you know, just feeding us the BS on these things is just something else. At least I'll give it to

00:44:49.060 in the sense of him being honest about it a little bit.

00:44:53.160 Who is it, Dennis?

00:44:54.260 They're saying Alberta will have to leave Canada to save Canada.

00:44:56.960 Well, it's something I've said for a while

00:44:58.260 is we need a catalyst.

00:44:59.460 We need something to blow things up,

00:45:01.120 whether it's Alberta, whether it's Quebec,

00:45:02.480 whether it's whatever it is.

00:45:03.660 But our system's broken and our status quo is stuck,

00:45:05.860 whether it's trying to fix things like the Senate,

00:45:07.760 trying to fix things like the governor general.

00:45:09.600 All of these require constitutional reforms.

00:45:12.660 And as we've seen,

00:45:14.720 Meach Lake, Charlottetown, historically,

00:45:17.100 whenever we try to change the constitution,

00:45:18.540 unfortunately we seem to fail so i think we need uh yes we need a province to get either right on

00:45:26.080 the brink of or to actually vote to leave this country and i can't see what else will manage to

00:45:30.860 shift the needle on things we'll see we'll see maybe something will change from within

00:45:34.840 all right let's see well all i can say too then as i start to wrap things up we're still keeping

00:45:41.880 an eye on the news watch the site if we find out anything else on the that horror story of those

00:45:46.280 poor souls stuck on that submersible somewhere out there. Let's hope that, well, you know,

00:45:53.780 a miracle happens and they're found alive. I know it's hard to find sympathy sometimes for

00:45:57.940 tourists who've spent so much money to go into something so dangerous, but all the same, you

00:46:01.400 don't wish anything as horrific as dying out in the sea like that on them. There'll be plenty

00:46:06.400 more to report on next week, guys, and lots of ranting to come. So thanks for tuning in with us

00:46:11.400 today, and we will see you all next week at this time.

00:46:16.280 Here's an update on commodity prices in Lethbridge for today.

00:46:21.160 Cash barley is up $3 at $4.23, feed wheat increased $2 at $4.21, and corn moved higher

00:46:27.680 $5 at $4.24 per metric tonne.

00:46:30.880 In the milling wheat markets, July Minneapolis futures jumped 19.75 cents to $8.68.75, with

00:46:37.280 local hard red spring bid for July movement at $10.75 per bushel.

00:46:41.800 Looking at canola, nearby futures are lower a dollar at $7.4450 per tonne, with delivered

00:46:47.240 values for June movement at $17.10 per bushel.

00:46:51.180 And in the pulse markets, nearby red lentil prices are holding at $0.335 per pound and

00:46:55.440 yellow peas are trading at $11.25 per bushel.

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Western Standard - June 22, 2023

CMS： Where are the bodies？

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