Conservatives Strike Back (at Alberta Independence)
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Summary
In this week's episode of The Pipeline, The Standard's senior editor Nigel Hannaford and editor-in-chief Corey Morgan discuss the events in Northern Ireland, including the case of a man who was nearly beheaded in the middle of a street by a migrant in Belfast, and the UCP purging independent supporters from the party.
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I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.
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We've got former opinion editor Nigel Hannaford.
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And our senior Alberta columnist and serial litigant against the powers that be, Corey Morgan.
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Indeed, I'm glad you can fit time between these cases.
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But we do not have Dave here today because we're down on the ground floor of the Global Energy Show at the BMO Centre here in Calgary.
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And so we've left Dave back in the newsroom, minding the kindergarten in there.
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We're going to talk about the events coming out of Belfast in Northern Ireland,
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where an Irishman was nearly beheaded in the middle of a street by a migrant.
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Northern Ireland in flames right now over this,
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and there's very much international ripple effects
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coming just right after the conclusion of the trial with Nowak in London
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for another case involving migrant murders of indigenous Britons.
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and what effects this is having on the global conversation around mass migration.
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Pierre Polyev was in town speaking to a, I think, conservative federalist audience
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I think that summarizes more or less his argument.
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But we'll talk about what he said, break it down, and talk about how effective or not it might be.
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But we're going to begin with Alberta politics.
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Is Danielle Smith purging independent supporters from the United Conservative Party?
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So, the Premier has performed, as we've said many times here, an incredibly delicate and successful balancing act.
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Really since her leadership campaign where she put forward the Sovereignty Act in its original form,
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but she's performed this balancing act between Alberta nationalists and federalists
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and managed to keep them in the same party, walking together, compromising on the same team.
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Ever since she announced the referendum question, since the courts made some bizarre
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and I think what will prove on appeal ultimately unsuccessful and bad rulings,
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but saying you're not allowed to have referendums on independence
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She put forward this kind of referendum to have a referendum question.
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That's angered a lot of people in the independence movement.
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There's a lot of nuance not really being discussed about it,
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but it's obviously angered a lot of people, Corey.
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And that has set off some in the independence camp
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to want to now fight a two-front war, both the referendum and at the same time
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try to oust her from the leadership and replace the premier, etc.
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There's now, I think, very significant anecdotal evidence
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purge independence supporters from positions of responsibility in the party.
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Not necessarily from membership, but from positions of responsibility.
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there was, I don't recall his name, but there was a candidate for the UCP nomination for an
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upcoming by-election in Calgary, Shaw. He was, he's an open independent supporter, and he was
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disqualified. On pretty dubious grounds, it was, it was, you know, we've seen this before. Oh,
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your paperwork wasn't in line or something. If the party wants you to be a candidate, they'll make
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sure your papers, paperwork's in line. If they don't want you to be a candidate, they'll find
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a comma in the wrong place or something and disqualify you. This happens in all parties
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We've had pretty significant reports of people who have been approached
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by UCP ministers saying, if they believe that they're federalists,
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saying, hey, if you're against independence, we'll get you a free ticket
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Stop the independent supporters from stacking the board,
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from potentially launching a leadership review, these kinds of things.
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And do you think, is this wise politics on Smith's part?
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I mean, to start off, I don't think it's wise politics.
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I mean, Premier Smith shouldn't take a full-on pro-independence stance.
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I mean, there's still probably not a majority support among Albertans for that sort of thing,
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even if it is a very strong level amongst members.
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She's also taking an oath of allegiance to the crown, doesn't she?
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Yeah, so, you know, that's an area, but I mean, I don't expect her to do such.
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And I don't, I'm not shocked that she presents herself as a Federalist, and that's fine.
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But to start into a full campaign mode against the independent side,
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I don't know about the political wisdom of this.
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It's, there's a subgroup within the independence movement
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that's really wanted to rip her out of power for quite some time,
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But I don't think they've been getting anywhere with it
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because people want to deal with this referendum.
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But if she keeps infuriating the independence base,
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well, maybe that is the biggest hindrance to our independence right now
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is the premier, and maybe those other individuals have been correct
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And then you're going to have an internal party battle, as you said,
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and all of those joys that come with a split party from within
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that we've both been through already several times um i personal view i really think she should back
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off on her hardcore federalist campaign you can see all some of the videos coming out with almost
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the exact same statement from senior mlas just talking about how they love canada you know darn
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well that was scripted and and pushed out there just say you're a federalist say you want to see
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people vote to stay in alberta and then get on to doing some things like maybe getting a pension
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plan and a pipeline that would be refreshing but going to war with the independent segment in the
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party. I don't think it's very wise right now. Nigel, it's obviously, I'm shocked her balancing
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act has been successful for as long as it has been because this is not a disagreement over
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a marginal policy. Like should the lowest income tax bracket be 8% or 10% or should this be in the
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curriculum or not? Those are issues on which people in a party, in a caucus, in a cabinet
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can put a little bit of water in their wine, and everyone can kind of meet halfway.
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Independence is not really one of those issues.
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You can't be half pregnant on this kind of thing.
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So she's managed to do it successfully, but now, ever since she announced the referendum,
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she's taken tremendous heat from the legacy media,
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from a lot of establishment figures inside and outside of Alberta.
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And my impression is that she's kind of overcorrected politically
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to the Federalist side in her rhetoric around this.
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And that has angered a lot of independent supporters, where she was viewed as a more or less neutral figure.
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Watching Queen Elizabeth bite her lip on issues, it's quite something.
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And Danielle Smith was doing a sort of version of that, where she's trying to just stay above it.
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This is a referendum, it's a citizen's initiative, and they can fight that out.
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And she's just staying out of it, more or less.
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I think she's overcorrected under the heat she's gotten from a lot of these figures.
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And that has angered a lot of people in the independence movement.
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And so now it's become a potential leadership threat to her.
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The problem is the more she tries to fight it, the more she aggravates that problem.
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Remember Jason Kenney, as soon as he had an insurgency over COVID policies,
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his failure to sufficiently fight Ottawa on some issues,
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to fight them he started calling them you know the lunatics taking over the asylum he said all
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of his critics were racists and by trying to fight his critics he emboldened them he he swelled their
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numbers uh i think smith should has a real potential problem here that the more she tries
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to fight back uh the independence movement in the party the more she alienates herself from them
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So one of the things that occurred to me was that I wonder if she has her own internal polling
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that indicates that maybe the pro-independence movement is not quite as strong as the numbers are claimed.
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In the end, as you said, you can't be half pregnant on this.
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So the safer way for her is to say, listen, we have the status quo.
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But if people want to do something different, we will find out from them.
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First of all, that gives her the summer during which she can retreat to that position
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Well, the more she cracks down on them is the more she's going to aggravate them to
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I mean, we have degrees of enthusiasm within all political movements.
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The people who are gung-ho, die-hard for independence will certainly do everything that they can
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do or imagine to get their way, and that could well include taking out the Premier at a party
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On the other hand, there are other people who say, okay, we're not really ready to do this yet.
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Let's just give her time and see how this evolves.
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So actually having the referendum in October, whatever the mainstream media thinks about it,
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It gives her all of June, July, August, and September to live.
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First, I don't think being a member of the Privy Council and swearing allegiance to the king or queen
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It's kind of assumed so rhetorically among a lot of people,
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It was the establishment of a new and semi-sovereign crown
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within the empire and what would become the Commonwealth.
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Yes, but there is technically nothing that would, very little that could stand in the way of Alberta simply becoming a separate dominion with the crown.
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So I would just challenge you on that, that it's not necessarily disloyal to the institution of the crown.
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But I know I took this in a little bit of a rabbit hole.
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That's not what everybody's talking about anyway.
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But look, there are elements within the independence movement that hate Smith, that have wanted her gone for a long time.
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But I would say the vast majority of independence supporters within the UCP, as both members and as voters, they have backed her.
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So they want independence, but they have not viewed her as an obstacle to it.
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In fact, many of the left have, or the Federalists, I should say, have with some justification said that she is their enabler.
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Jason Kenney would have never allowed a referendum on independence, no matter what.
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Jim Prentice, Alison Redford, none of these people would have ever under any circumstance allowed it.
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Daniel Smith is not championing it, but she has allowed it to happen.
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And so both the Federalists and the Alberta Nationalists, I think, have seen her as the enabler of at least allowing the vote to take place and that she is more or less neutral on it.
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But by actively inserting herself into the debate, she begins to be seen as an obstacle.
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And as she begins to be seen as an obstacle, and they want to start to, because there's
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some challenge to her leadership now, they want to remove some of these people from running
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for party boards, constituency associations, candidates in nominations.
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That would potentially aggravate it, and it paints her into a corner.
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And let's remember, the hardcore federalist side of the UCP didn't make her the leader.
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The people who made her the leader are the people who saw the Sovereignty Act
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as a wink-wink, nudge-nudge towards full sovereignty.
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Well, when you use the word enabler, of course,
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you immediately think of the negative connotations of that word.
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The term enabler is used as a pejorative by the Federalists.
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Facilitator is maybe the more positive one from the Nationalists.
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But really, you could just make the argument that she is doing her best
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to give Albertans an opportunity to say what they think on what is the key political issue of the
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year, maybe of the decade. Sure, but now they're disallowing people to run for nominations because
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they're pro-independence. They're actively trying to swamp the convention. The significant anecdotal
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evidence suggests they're trying to swamp the convention with Federalists. This is very actively
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intervening, and that, I think, risks alienating the nationalists in the party.
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This week's story, but the week before, the story was the reverse, that pro-independence
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factions were trying to stack the party, and I believe that is the case.
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So you've got both sides trying to do what they can to strengthen their positions.
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But what I'm saying is, she has sided with the Federalists in stacking it in her favor.
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You don't have to go on press conference rants against the independence movement.
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You could say you want Alberta to stay, but she's taking an active campaign role.
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I think that's kind of the line that some are seeing crossed.
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But your point is that that's not getting her anywhere with the pro-independence movement.
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I mean, the thing is, it's not that it's a majority of people,
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These are the ones that come to the conventions.
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These are the ones that show up at these meetings.
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And that's part of the rough position because, yeah, it might only represent 20 or 30 percent of the province.
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But it could still put her in dire trouble in the party.
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As the premier of a province, you can go too far into actively advocating for that province leaving Confederation.
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She shouldn't advocate for the province leaving.
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But if she wants to keep dedicating hours to lighting a fire under those independent supporters
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by campaigning overtly against them, she's going to make it worse.
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She's jumping in front of a problem that doesn't need to be hers.
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But I still get the impression that maybe the independence movement is not as strong as we think it is.
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I don't think any of the three of us here are under any illusions that it's at a clear majority support right now.
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But it's a large minority in the general public, and it's a majority, how big a majority?
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Hard to say, but it's a majority among UCP voters, and especially among active members.
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And so she represents the majority within the minority.
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You know the other thing that we haven't talked about in this yet, and that's the position of the NDP.
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They are really almost like a non-player at the moment.
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So, you know, if you are a Federalist and you are usually not that interested in politics,
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you're not probably going to look to the NDP for leadership on this because they have offered none.
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So you might not normally support the Premier, but in this case, on this issue, yes, maybe we will.
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I don't think so. I think hardline federalists are more likely to back the NDP because the NDP's voters are 98% federalist.
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The UCP's voters are, depending on the poll, 25 to 40% federalist. So they're divided.
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The thing is, Nenshi has nothing interesting to say here because his federalist campaign isn't really a federalist campaign.
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He's just saying the whole problem with this is Danielle Smith.
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This is not like what you saw in Quebec where the Federalists came together
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and this was above party politics and they stood together.
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You'd have Jean Charest and Jean Chrétien working together.
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Nenshi is making this a partisan issue, trying to maximize NDP votes.
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So he doesn't have anything interesting to say.
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The only people with things interesting to say are the independence crowd
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So that's a good pivot, I think, to where we want to go next, which is Pierre Polyev's address, I think.
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So Pierre Polyev in Calgary, speaking, as best we can tell, to a group of people who are already Federalists, but they're Conservatives.
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And so the message was, it was a less condescending version of Jason Kenney.
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Jason Kenney, you know, likes to, you know, go after any Alberta nationalists and independent supporters.
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Polyev did not do that, but his argument was, look, I understand your frustrations.
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Your frustrations are real, but the way to fix your frustrations is to just vote for me.
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I think it's going to be fairly effective with people,
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The first, Corey, was that he never mentioned any issues really beyond pipelines and guns.
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Okay, and the Conservatives are better on pipelines and they are better on guns.
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But not a single word about fiscal transfers out of Alberta to the rest of the country.
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Equalization and other forms the fiscal transfers take disproportionately to other places in Canada.
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Not a word about mass migration, which is a huge concern that is kind of a big tertiary issue within the independence movement now.
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And or representation for Alberta in the House of Commons or representation for Alberta in the Senate.
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So none of these issues that are major longstanding Alberta grievances, he mentioned a word about because he can't.
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that would cost him votes in other parts of Canada.
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which was, vote for me and everything will be fine,
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Albertans voted overwhelmingly for Aaron O'Toole
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they voted for Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives.
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And then the last time Harper ran, they voted for Harper and the Conservatives, and again, nothing changed.
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So his argument is, vote for me and everything will be fine, unlike the last four times you very specifically did that.
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So I think it's an argument with some pretty big holes that he's making,
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but I think among people who aren't paying a ton of attention, it'll be fairly effective.
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Well, the independent supporters understand, for the most part, the issue isn't policies, it's the system.
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and that's things like equalization that's things like the senate representation that's
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that's things like these these issues where the constitution's not being upheld when it comes to a
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federal government in you know in enforcing allowing infrastructure to cross the country
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and then otherwise the constitution seems to be holding us up when we try to do other things
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and no he's not touching it with a 10-foot pole don't blame him that's just part of the political
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game you're not going to win in toronto and montreal by talking about those things but at
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same time then why are you pissing on her leg and telling it's raining in alberta go away we're here
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to raise funds for you you know we're going to vote for you no matter what you do it's similar
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to premier smith wrapping herself up in the federalist cause you guys have got other things
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to do the premier's got a lot of provincial things she should be doing mr poliev should be trying to
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win those votes in montreal and toronto and the maritimes and he should be campaigning over there
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again he's just inflaming the independence movement out here offering platitudes when we are well
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aware that the best that the conservatives can offer is a term of perhaps a government that will
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be less bad than the last one but uh it's again i understand he's a federalist i don't expect him to
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he's been more respectful to the independent set than than other leaders have absolutely saying
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you know you understand some of the problems and i appreciate that but these guys jumping in on this
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is not helping with the movement their best asset in the movement of the independence movement is
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that they're horribly disorganized and infighting so they probably aren't going to get anywhere if
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if they don't get their crap together pretty soon.
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But they're not making a good case to turn people away from that right now.
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So I partially disagree with Corey on this one.
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He is the Federalist leader of a Federalist party.
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And he's from Alberta, and he has a seat in Alberta.
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I mean, I'm not sure what he considers himself more of an Ontarian-Albertan at this point.
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But either way, he has a lot of support in Alberta.
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And I think he does need to be seen to be campaigning for the federalist cause in Alberta.
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I think it is expected of him, at least in the rest of the country, that he will do that.
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So I don't actually blame him for that so much.
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I think it would be a bit different if you had Mark Carney, who, I mean, he's born in Alberta,
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but I don't think he really identifies in his heart of heart as, I'm an Albertan, and that's my major identity.
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um he needs to be seen to be campaigning for the federalist cause in alberta as a federal
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political party leader trying to be prime minister i'm actually okay with that even if i disagree
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my problem is that he's just offering platitudes and bromides it's just vote for me and everything
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will be fine when we've done that every single time practically since confederation and every
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once in a while we get small marginal gains but very few of these big issues ever really get
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settled uh i know you always don't like it when i go after the harper government harper government
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was good years for alberta but it didn't really fix beyond getting rid of the wheat board
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it didn't fix any of the big structural issues senate house of commons uh equalization none of
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those things were touched and so he's just saying vote for me and everything will be fine but he's
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not saying and i am so serious about keeping alberta inside of canada that i'm willing to
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perhaps not get rid of equalization but make some significant reforms to it to make it fairer to
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Alberta. I'm willing to reopen the constitution to make sure we have got a more reasonable level
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of representation by population in the House of Commons for all provinces including Alberta
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and we're going to amend the constitution so that in the Senate Alberta with twice the population
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of all four Atlantic provinces doesn't just have half the senators of little old New Brunswick.
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that's my problem isn't that my problem is not that he's campaigning here for the federalist
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side it's that he's not coming with any meat on the bone yeah well he i mean to some degree the
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speech that he gave was meant to be an emotive one it was not a long one and to get deeply into
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the weeds on specific policies and so on probably not not not the place to do it this no no but he
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did he did get into it on pipelines he talked up he did get into it on guns he did talk about
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policies where they can do things without costing votes elsewhere. These are Alberta issues like
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nobody else gives a grip about pipelines they may give a rip about firearms but this is the
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speech that he's going to be giving across the country for the political party barbecue season
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that begins about now and runs through to Labor Day and so this will be the framework for a speech
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that he's going to give right across the country but amended for local audiences. So that's the
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first thing. But the key policy, the key thing that he said, the thing that stayed with me,
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is that we don't need a different country. We need a different government in Ottawa. Now,
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that was the key message. It's also one of the most disappointing ones.
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Because he can't promise that. And, you know, there was a time, and the time was in the late
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1980s when out here in Alberta and in BC and in Saskatchewan we said we've had
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enough the West wants in and hundreds of thousands of people gave that message
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everything they could they gave her their time their money their
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organizational skills and they actually displaced the unworthy progressive
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Conservatives in Western Canada and in a handful of Ontario ridings, weren't buying it.
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And so in the end, to get anywhere, they had to join forces with the Central and Atlantic
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And this is what he's going to run into as well.
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And he had to say something, and this was at least, you know, look, I'm a Federalist
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through and through, and you guys are going to have to get used to it.
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He couldn't say that, certainly couldn't say the other.
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So this is a middle road, it's about the best that he's got.
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Unfortunately, you know, it's, look, he talked about what we're fed up with as Canadians,
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new policies, criminal justice, what's with pandering to immigrants, two-tier justice,
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base justice catch and release bail firearms pipelines and so forth these are all things
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that could be fixed and would make a lot of people happier here in western canada but he never but
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he never made the case why that's easier to do inside of canada than outside and just do it
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ourselves without asking toronto and montreal for permission he's not going to send a separatist
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message i mean i know i'm glad i didn't have to write that but but he did not make the case why
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that is better to do inside of canada than outside of canada he just said you should well he sort of
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did actually because he he talked about the many commonalities that common opinions that people
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you know you go to the canadian legion in calgary you're going to hear a certain point of view you
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go to a canadian legion uh ranch in uh rural ontario you're going to see at the same point
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of view like there's more that he his point is that there's more that unites us than divides us
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so let's work on that it's not perfect it's uh it's not the speech that you would want him to
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give but i don't know what else he could have said yeah well and that just unfortunately
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or unfortunately depending on the point of view but reinforces the independence case the futility
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of trying to play within the system and and and as we said he's doing the politically wise course
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it's the only course he has you know it makes perfect sense i i am not surprised but where
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he's going like i said maybe some of the ire was similar to what i offer for smith and
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I understand why you have to take that position and be public with it,
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but you also don't have to make it your main focus for the next four months
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I think it's a mediocre speech, but it's mediocrity.
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Alberta, our own biggest sin is that we're predictable.
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That's how we get taken for granted by the Conservatives and the Liberals
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because the Liberals have nothing to gain here and nothing to lose,
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whereas perhaps some funds could end up directed towards things like
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independence TPAs versus the Conservative Party federally.
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Good, good plug for billboards and taper, Corey.
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Yeah, but aside from that, it's just the nature of the politics in Canada
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and that frustration that, you know, if you have swing seats, you get attention.
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Okay, yeah, as I said, my problem is not that he came here
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besides asking for our votes that's and we don't have answers either i mean we can't give it what
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what could he offer yeah but what is he going to give to us in exchange for those votes and it's
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not much all right well more than what you'd get from the uh liberal candidate like you said he's
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less bad that's the endless conservative argument in alberta at least we're not as bad as the
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liberals and i gotta say that's not a compelling case that's not a very compelling case it'll work
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for a lot of people and to work in elections it works every time but i'm i'm kind of sick of that
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message you know derek what would have the alberta independence movement on its feet if you had a
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bunch of if you had a bunch of uh liberal mps supporting the bad things that the liberal
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government initiates in ottawa that would send people crazy but at least right now we do feel
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still feel that we have somebody to represent our point of view anyway okay time to move on yeah uh
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all right well speaking of uniting against common foes northern ireland um so coming right on the
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hill heels of uh young man nowak and indigenous britain uh brutally murdered uh by a migrant
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in london and the police um and that was probably the most outrageous one because of the actions of
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the police where uh the murderer of a migrant background said that the guy was a racist and
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then they just stood there and let him bleed out and die uh this one's perhaps not as egregious
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because there's not the police angle in it but uh egregious nonetheless and it's and it's had
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a massive impact. A man in Belfast attacked by a migrant, I think Sudanese, and the Sudanese man
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tried to saw his head off in the middle of the street with people all around. This thing was
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filmed and uh other indigenous northern irish had to come up and and save this man and
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you know uh i was i was young during kind of the last era of the troubles but i mean the northern
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irish are not known as a sedate bunch i mean for europeans some have said they're the least european
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of the europeans because of just how rowdy they get they're not solving this in parliament they're
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And I don't believe there's been a moment since the Reformation
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when Catholics and Protestants have ever stood together really on the same side.
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They have, for moments, stopped killing each other,
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but they've never stood side by side against a common foe.
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You've always got to know which foot you kick with.
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I forget which foot is Protestant and which foot is Catholic
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We've now seen Catholics and Protestants marching side by side
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In some areas it's turned to violence and rioting
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if I understand it correctly, I don't want to get it wrong
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but I think government funded, taxpayer funded housing for migrants
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which is wild. Why in any of our countries are we paying for other people to be here
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when we can't take care of our own people first?
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But it's resulted in some less than civil reaction.
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I think it's because in virtually every European country,
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people have voted to end illegal migration and to significantly limit legal migration.
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and no matter what happens it only gets worse and now their streets are overrun with barbarians
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who are killing people uh harassing women you name it there's a whole long list
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and so they're they feel out of options at the ballot box to do it and i don't know how far
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this will spread i don't know how long it goes on in northern ireland but the northern irish
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who have a history of taking this out directly seem to be doing that again yeah well they sure
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are, and they've had a lot of practice over the years. So I actually don't have an optimistic
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point of view on this at all. I'm not able to come out and say, well, you need to do
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this, you need to do that. There was a very prescient book written back in the 1960s.
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Enoch Powell was a member of parliament, distinguished Britain, veteran, gentleman, and he wrote
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the book i see the tiber running with much blood yeah we discussed this last week yeah just like
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we were talking about nowak last week uh yeah so you know up until now we've substantially been
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able to dismiss that as rhetoric now we're actually starting to see blood and i think there
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will come a point and it may come very soon where the british public and the irish public which has
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been told you know you have to be nice you have to be kind don't be racist that's fine as long as
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people were not being racist about or respectful in return but the second that they start trying
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to behead people on the street the second that they stick a knife in somebody and he dies and
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you find that the police have been told effectively to stand down then people are just going to go out
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the front door and it's going to be like that scene my man is hell and i'm not going to take
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it anymore when the saxon began to hate well that's kipling for you and awfully so like i
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But, I mean, it's going to descend into mob rule,
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and this is what happens when cowardly governments abdicate their duty
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to actually represent the population and protect the population.
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They took what they thought was the point of least resistance,
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and it kept the floodgates open, and the powder keg just kept filling,
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and the pressure kept building, and citizens, when they feel unsafe,
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when they feel that they don't have a future being safe,
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they will take it up in their own hands and then we've seen belfast is the perfect spot for it to
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really flare but this is a risk of happening in every western country around the world and it's
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if they don't stop i i think it's too late to be honest i think it's just a few more incidents
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from this happening in paris from happening in germany from happening in in the netherlands even
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it's gone too far the citizens are going to push back and it's going to be bloody and i don't want
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to see it because innocent people get mob mentality is awful innocent people you're the wrong color
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you're in the wrong place at the wrong time you could be terribly harmed or killed and i blame
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the wrong place at the wrong time by being a five-year-old girl in a place in a that too and
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and and that's what i mean so i blame governments though for being too weak to address this and
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unfortunately now it's going to descend into chaos to become resolved so i don't you know
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no one should mistake this for excusing mob violence it's not the way to do it um but to
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To build on your point, it is the responsibility of the state, the sovereign entity responsible
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for collectively representing the people, to represent its own people first, to stop
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illegal migration, to make sure that legal migration is not out of hand, and to remove
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And the state has for decades in every Western country, virtually, failed to do its basic
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duty removing people who should not be there should be done in a legal safe and organized
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fashion by the state its failure to do so has now resulted in violent mobs going door to door and
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that is not the way you want to see it innocent people will be hurt and even people who are there
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illegally who are not innocent they still don't necessarily deserve a mob coming in kicking down
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the door and hurting someone. That is not what we want to see. But I think we're seeing that
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because the state has utterly abdicated its duty. In fact, on the contrary, it has acted against the
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indigenous populations of Western countries, as we saw with the murder of Nowak, where the police
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stood down to protect the murderer over the person who got murdered. That's why I think we're seeing
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it turn into mob violence now. And I think Corey is right. It's not just in Ireland. It's not just
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in britain um it is right across continental europe possibly the broader broader west where
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i i don't know how many more incidents we are away from this getting to something much bigger
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and nastier but it i it will happen just as an aside derrick it's you don't see it in hungary
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where orban actually closed the border to mass migrations there is a government i mean he's out
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of office now and he was never popular outside hungary when he was in office but there is a
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government that did what you have just said needs to be done protect the people that it has
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yeah i mean he had a simple population uh policy which was to keep hungry hungarian
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and that shouldn't be a controversial thing to do and that doesn't mean you dislike other people
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but it means you love your own people the most you're not against anyone necessarily but you're
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for your own people and that's not controversial if you are the president of uh zimbabwe it's not
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Controversial if you're the chairman of the party in China or or the Prime Minister of Japan
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It's not controversial anywhere else except for our countries
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But it's a crime when we do it when we do it here
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It's a very particular spiritual rot anyway. Yeah, we have an agreement on that. Yeah
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Don't know I'm not optimistic this this ends nicely
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Okay, well, we'll wrap it up with parting shots.
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Well, I'm just intrigued by this chap who flew for Air Canada for 19 years now.
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Yeah, and the Wall Street, there's a lawyer in the Wall Street film.
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He was type-rated for everything that he flew. There is one other layer of
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Bureaucracy you're supposed to satisfy. It's called an air transport
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License he didn't have that he should have and so you know we can't condone it, but I I gotta say that
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Give him marks for for troops pop. I kind of like the idea of the old Mikado
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so you get this guy out of jail and you put him in charge of compliance at Air
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Canada as long as he's in charge of like check fraud just keep flying he's
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proven he's pretty good at it well that's kind of thing like he shouldn't
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do it but like even we're doing this one since what the 90s or something like
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he's flown 900 flights like nobody's I could only do one hundred thousand
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passengers have been safely guided to their destination by this guy who doesn't have a
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piece of paper, but does know how to fly an airplane.
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He should have the piece of paper, but he's clearly not, like, he's not bullshitting.
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I didn't think I want to clear, I'll give a quick self-serving plug then.
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If people are interested in his story, look up billboards and Corey Morgan.
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You just stole my parting shot, you son of a bitch.
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Oh, okay, well, you can expand on it, because it actually, aside from my self-serving part,
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It really is actually a democratic issue going on with election interference.
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I'll let you finish it because we're running long on time anyway.
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No, I'll go on another one. I'll just let people know.
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What a great show it is down here. That's one thing.
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Yeah, yeah. The Western Standard had reached out to Thomas Lukasik,
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Very friendly conversations with those guys, inviting them to have a debate.
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We offered to pay for it. We offered to give them half the tickets
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so it's not just stacked with Western Standard subscribers and fans
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and that we would have a mutually agreed-upon, neutral moderator.
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I was actually quite optimistic this would happen.
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It mostly took place over the phone, a little bit by email,
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but mostly just over the phone with these guys.
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In the end, Thomas Lukasik chickened out, didn't want to do it,
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and it worded pretty friendly, I think, at first,
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challenging him to a debate, and then these guys went out.
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But, you know, he couldn't just say, I'm too chicken shit for this.
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He had to say, the Western Standard is out there saying that I've agreed to a debate.
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We never once, ever said that Thomas Lukasik agreed to a debate, because he never did.
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We had good faith discussions, and we're optimistic at one point that he would potentially agree.
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But he was out there saying, the Western Standard is claiming he agreed to a debate.
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Never once. Pull the tape. You can't find it anywhere.
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He lies about the issues, and he's lying about this, but that's okay.
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We've made an appeal to our subscribers to help fund a debate,
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because we're going to have a debate regardless.
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It's just not going to be with Big Chicken Lukasik.
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So if you want to donate, you can go to westernstandard.news.
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There's a donate section that'll help us put on a debate at hopefully minimal ticket price for people
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so we can make it as widely accessible to the public as possible.
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and there are lots of great and articulate Federalists out there
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who I'm sure are a little braver and willing to make the cause
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in front of people that are not a curated and sycophantic CBC reporter.
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We also got a bunch of our staff here at the Global Energy Show.
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we got jesco we got josh we got david veitschnik and we uh also want to oh come on in come on in
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here group shot and uh we also want to thank uh all the organizers at the uh yeah just walk
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straight in front of the camera guys brilliant brilliant uh john john's never been seen on this
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side of the camera on the camera john john john runs the show uh but i'm because he just called
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them out here. This is my opportunity to embarrass John. John, stop fiddling. Get out here right now.
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John. John, come. Come. Get in front of the camera. He's got to keep the shot. Put it down.
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Put it down. Put it down. Oh, he has excuses. John doesn't really exist. He's AI. He's a bot.
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Okay, and I want to thank the organizers of the Global Energy Show here in Calgary. It's a
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