Cop-Blocked： Police fail to remove illegal blockades - The Pipeline, Episode 8
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Summary
Western Standard's National Affairs Program, recording this Wednesday, February 12, 2020, focuses on the growing number of protests against the Coastal GasLink pipeline project in British Columbia, Canada. This week, we talk to Western Standard's CEO, Derek Fildebrandt, and editor-in-chief, Dave Naylor, about the impact of the protests, and the government's response to them.
Transcript
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You're listening to The Pipeline, the Western Standards National Affairs Program, recording
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Each week we break down the issues, discuss them in depth, and examine some of the broader
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Featuring this week from Calgary, the Western Standards publisher, Derek Fildebrandt.
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And featuring also Dave Naylor, normally from Calgary, but today from Drury Abbotsford, British
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Well, I'm hoping the sun shines at some point this month, but it's not looking hopeful right
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We open every episode of The Pipeline with a Weather Report.
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Dave, of course, is our news editor, and your host today is myself, digital editor Paul Holmes,
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from lovely and also a little wet and dreary Victoria, British Columbia.
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So today, you can see right behind me is a copy of U2's war record.
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And we're talking about kind of war-y things happening in Canada.
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There's blockades going on, there's the tech situation, and lots of people understandably
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So we're just going to focus on those two topics today.
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And just to kick us off, I'm going to move over to Dave.
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And Dave, why don't you give us an update on the latest with these blockades happening
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Paul, it's hard to know where to begin, but let me take a deep breath and recap what we've
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On Thursday, the RCMP moved into a native blockade up near Smithers in Northern BC.
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That was against the building of the Coastal GasLink pipeline.
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Since then, we've had rail blockades, we've had building blockades, we've had road blockades,
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and every day it seems to be spreading more and more.
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These are average citizens who just need to get to work, and they've been arrested for
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trying to take down the barriers to get themselves to work.
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In Calgary, they shut down the aptly mentioned or aptly named Reconciliation Bridge, as the
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As you know, in Victoria, there was a mob scene on Tuesday, when hundreds of protesters
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I know one received a bloody nose by these protesters, many of whom seem to be wearing masks to protect
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But don't worry, it looks like our federal government is on it.
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In what is his third straight month in Africa, Justin Trudeau today held a press conference,
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Transportation Minister Mark Garneau said he's also concerned, which is probably good news
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for companies like CN, who have said they may have to cut large swaths of their tracks down.
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And they're saying Canada's international image is being tarnished because we're no longer
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Tens of thousands of trips have now been cancelled in their high passenger corridors down in central
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So it seems like the protests are spreading and nobody's really doing anything about it
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Well, and unlike some protests where the objective is to get ordinary people on the side and raise
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awareness, that doesn't seem to be the objectives here whatsoever.
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The objectives seem to be to create a bit of chaos.
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And on that measure, I suppose you could say that they've been successful.
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They failed to get majority sympathy on side, even in British Columbia, which is, you know,
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got a reputation as a bit of a load of Lotus land and being very environmentally conscious.
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They still haven't got people on board to oppose the coastal gas link pipeline.
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They haven't gotten a majority on side to oppose Trans Mountain or any of these things.
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And so they've lost the battle of public opinion some time ago.
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Then they tried tying things up litigiously in the courts.
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They've lost every single one of those major battles.
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And now they've just gone to outright illegality and are betting on the goodwill and restraint
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of the authorities to not do anything about it.
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And we've gotten to this point now where, you know, blockades can go up around Victoria
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and the people putting them up are ignored by police and protected by police.
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And regular people just trying to get to work who remove illegal barricades, they are arrested.
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Or the man who defied the authority of these thugs and drove his truck around the barricade.
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The police are looking for that man, maybe to give him some kind of traffic act ticket.
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I'm not sure what it is that he has done wrong other than driving through the median of a highway
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And so our authorities have got the priorities of law enforcement ass backwards here.
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They're arresting the people who are either removing blockades or going around blockades
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as if these blockades have any kind of legitimacy and leaving this alone.
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And it's making a mockery of the rule of law in this country.
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And it is showing that I think that pipeline approval, federal, the RCMP are federal, tech approval, federal.
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Everything under the sun that Justin Trudeau wants to control, he claims is federal.
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But now Mark Garneau and Justin Trudeau say that this is a provincial matter.
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This is under the RCMP, a federal police force, and they have an obligation to take action here.
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I think this adds one of the many reasons why provinces like Alberta and British Columbia should get out of the RCMP
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and have their own police forces to do it themselves.
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That being said, I'm not convinced the British Columbia government would do anything about it.
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They're reaping the whirlwind of seeds that they've helped to sow.
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So when you had blockades now of the Alberta, sorry, of the British Columbia legislature in Victoria,
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you know, there is a video that went out, I think it was the NDP's, BC NDP's agriculture minister being blocked
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very forcefully from entering the BC legislature.
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Now, blocking elected officials from entering legislatures is something old kings of England would do
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or despots and tin pot dictatorships in Africa.
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Not something you would typically see, but we now see in Canada.
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They shrug and they walk the other way and let this play out until they get tired.
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It's interesting too, you talked about the NDP being blocked from the legislature as well
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because of course they're in power here in the province of British Columbia.
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One of whom, Adam Olson, somebody I know, who is the First Nations leader himself.
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These are, the mob that has formed is, I think, more of an anti-establishment mob.
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Notably, when I was watching a video of the coverage in Victoria, a family member who I won't name,
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In the BC case, it just occurred to me that there's a really interesting opportunity here.
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Because so these, I won't even call them native protesters or Wet'suwet'en because these are a minority who,
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you know, the vast, almost all of the elected bound councils along the affected routes are in support of all these pipelines and projects.
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These are hereditary chiefs who we should pay no attention to.
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But the media like to amplify their voices if they stand for something else.
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I mean, you know, you amplify an interesting story.
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But they are, they're blockading both the NDP, you know, if the NDP, BC NDP is not radical enough for you,
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you got the Greens and they're blockading everyone from getting in the BC legislature.
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I think this is a unique opportunity for the BC Liberal opposition to break that blockade,
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get in there and call a quick non-confidence vote before any Greens or NDP MLAs can get in there.
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Please do it right now and have a quick non-confidence vote before they can get in there.
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If only, if only we could remember the name of the BC Liberal leader so we'd know, remember who we vote for.
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Guys, what we need to remember is that this is not all fun and games.
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Hey, let's take the afternoon off school and let's go down and blockade somebody.
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The Prince George citizen reporting today that a bridge in the area near where the main Indigenous camp is was sabotaged.
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Somebody went in and cut through the supports of the bridge.
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But if any truck had gone over it or an RCMP vehicle, the bridge would have collapsed.
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And, you know, who knows what would have happened.
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But, you know, it only takes somebody to lose control behind a wheel that, you know, of a truck that's going through the barrier.
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And then you've got, you know, you've got injured people.
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Well, that action is crossing the line from thuggery to potential outright eco-terrorism.
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And I've been cautious against using the term eco-terrorist yet.
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I think that is a different threshold that we have not yet seen.
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It's political violence of a sort, using force to get your way, not the rule of law.
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But this bridge incident is, I think, crossing that line, getting dangerously close to eco-terrorism.
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But, you know, the police and the politicians have been utterly unwilling to intervene.
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We saw it in Caledonia where the police refused to intervene when one native band started occupying people's private homes claiming that they belonged to them.
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I think we should erect an equalization blockade along the Trans-Canada and see how long it takes the authorities to remove us.
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Reading an interesting piece today, guys, in the National Post column by Chris Stelly.
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He brings up the example of what would happen in England if protesters blockaded the rail line between London and Manchester.
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And they would be removed because it's in the national interest.
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And surely via train service in, you know, the central Canada territory between, you know, Ontario, Quebec, Ottawa.
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People rely on that service and they're not getting it at the moment because there's, you know, a small blockade near Brockville.
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You know, you've got Horgan has reaped, as Derek pointed out, has reaped what he's sowed with other pipelines.
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It doesn't matter how many times Horgan invites them back to the table.
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That group is not going to compromise on any of this.
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I think it's terrible for reconciliation efforts, too, because ordinary people are getting angry.
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And they're taking out their anger on First Nations in some cases.
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I don't think that this group is representative of all First Nations.
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And so that's a problem, I think, in the context of Canadian unity as well.
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Is this just going to continue to escalate until we see, you know, this kind of violent police crackdown?
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What I would like to see, and I don't think it would ever happen, is all the other First Nations that signed on to the coastal gasoline pipeline.
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Have those bands, those leaders of those councils, go and talk to these hereditary chiefs.
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And say, what you are doing is hurting our future.
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You know, we're getting money out of this that is going to go to our people.
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Because, you know, then you've got First Nations talking to First Nations.
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And, you know, they're not, nobody, there's no feeling that something is being imposed by outside.
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I'm not even sure First Nations talking to First Nations works here, though.
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I mean, the elected bound councils here have signed very, very lucrative agreements in some cases.
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And so, you know, I mean, the, you know, the, the radical eco left likes to use First Nations as a mascot.
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It's almost a mascot to them that they, they'll put a couple of token First Nations out there.
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That's like, if you, you know, you could find half a dozen Calgarians who love Justin Trudeau.
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Well, that doesn't mean we support Justin Trudeau.
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And we, that doesn't mean we support Justin Trudeau.
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We, that doesn't mean we support Justin Trudeau.
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Uh, they don't live anywhere near me, but these voices are being amplified artificially, uh, being called indigenous.
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I don't even think we can call them Wet'suwet'en, uh, protesters, because most of the Wet'suwet'en band council supports these projects.
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And, uh, can you imagine if Queen Elizabeth came out tomorrow with some political opinion on, on an issue of the day?
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She's smart enough not to, cause she knows the role, uh, the role of a hereditary leader.
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It's to be symbolic and to cut some ribbons and to be a force of stability behind the scenes.
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It's not to get involved in the politics of the day, but these chiefs see themselves very differently.
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They see themselves, these hereditary chiefs as, uh, being the rightful spokesman, uh, for their, uh, for their communities.
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And I, and I would push back a little bit on that Derek and say, um, within the context of the monarchy and the queen comparison is a good one.
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Um, you know, the queen is ultimately the defender, uh, for Canada, right?
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And I think some of these hereditary chiefs see themselves as being the defenders where everything else has failed.
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I would actually take Queen Elizabeth running our affairs over Justin Trudeau, but it would not be appropriate, uh, regardless of how I feel the merits of her running things over Trudeau would be.
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Before we segue though, I do have a question for Dave, uh, with zoomed in on you.
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I've noticed a little bobble head in the cabinet behind you.
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I can't see cause it's inside the cabinet, but it almost looks like a bobble head of Ezra Levant.
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Could, could you tell our audience what your bobble head is?
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I'm currently at my mom's place in beautiful dreary Abbotsford and she is a big Ezra Levant.
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This is, uh, this is why you have to watch us on YouTube or Facebook if you're listening
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So when Ezra used to be on, uh, when Ezra used to be on.
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He was sort of based in Calgary and he was out of our building and he was going around
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I'm going to get that for my mother for Christmas.
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And, uh, it's been, uh, been on the dinner table every Christmas, uh, since then.
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All these other indigenous groups that support the pipeline, they have hereditary chiefs too.
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Well, you're not hearing any opposition from them.
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Just this one small group that, uh, you know, 28% of the pipeline is going through.
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And you've got half a dozen hereditary chiefs there who were against it.
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And their allies, speaking of allies, uh, the federal government, a big ally to the province
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Dave, why don't you, uh, break down the very latest in, uh, the tech saga.
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a giant proposed multi-billion dollar oil sands mined in northern Alberta, 100 kilometers
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north of Fort McMurray, being approved and is just waiting for federal cabinet approval,
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which they vowed to come before the end of February. Take that for what it's worth. But
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now it just seems to have evolved into a bit of a stare down. Jason Kenney, Premier of Alberta,
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sent a letter to Trudeau saying it will be a disaster if it's not approved. Trudeau cabinet
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minister is coming out and saying, well, you better start tolling the climate change line
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if you want us to approve it. And then another log in the problem this week was a ban that
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has already signed on, a ban that has already approved it, has now stepped forward and say,
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whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. There might be some things that we might want to take another look at. So,
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you know, it's going around in circles like every other pipeline seems to be at the moment.
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Derek, are we just in a state in Canada where we just can't build any more pipelines?
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No, I genuinely believe TMX is going to be the very last pipeline that gets built
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in the foreseeable future unless something radical changes. It's not just Bill C-69 and C-48. And it's
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not just that these projects can get it tied up endlessly in the courts. It's now that the federal
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government's proven that it'll only use very, very tepid force in enforcing the law around these things.
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So, you know, every little group around has a right to infinite appeals in the courts. And even if they
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lose that, the government's proven that it's only going to take a very tepid response in enforcing
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these court orders. So I really don't think we're going to see a major interprovincial or international
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pipeline built in Canada anytime soon beyond this. Tech obviously didn't get the memo. They didn't get the
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memo that you're not supposed to do big infrastructure energy projects in Canada anymore. This project's
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been ongoing for a very long time. They've met every regulatory and legislative hurdle that they
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had to meet. It's been approved by the non-political regulators. It's now purely in political hands,
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and it's being used as a political football. A business like this should not be used for political
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ends between two levels of government kind of measuring each other up. We've got the federal
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government's said pretty very implied extremely strongly that Alberta needs to drop its opposition
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to the carbon tax in the courts if it wants this going forward. That's that's funny for a few reasons.
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Alberta still has a carbon tax, much as people might not like to admit it, especially the UCP.
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We still have two thirds of the NDP's carbon tax in place. We still have most of the anti-carbon
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regulation and legislation that the NDP put in place under the so-called tier program.
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It's not a radical departure from what the NDP had in place. But even if it was a radical departure,
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I'm not sure why Ottawa believes it's business to approve an industrial project within Alberta's
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borders that doesn't have any cross-border implications whatsoever. And it's almost cliche to say that this
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would never happen if it was in Quebec, but that's important to remember. And this needs to really be a
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line in the sand for Alberta. I mean, we constantly allow Ottawa to get away with things and we yell at
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them. And we really have to make clear that yelling is not going to be the consequence this time.
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The province and I think the Premier very genuinely want this project to go forward. I'm not going to join
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those who think that they've joined the eco-radicals in this. I don't think that's a fair criticism. But I think
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the province, as much as it wants this to go forward, is afraid that this will escalate. That
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if Ottawa kills this project or unofficially kills it by regulatory delay, that this is going to really,
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really get out of hand. And that's why Ottawa has been preparing this bailout economic aid package.
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And it would be absolute capitulation for Alberta to accept a penny of it. For us to allow Ottawa to
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stab Alberta's industry in the heart, then hand us a Band-Aid in exchange for us saying thank you.
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So this is putting the Premier in a very tough spot. He wants this done, but I think he understands that
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if it's not done, he doesn't want anger at Ottawa to boil out of control from just anger at Trudeau,
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but to anger at Ottawa's institutions themselves. And adding into the mix was Drew Barnes, UCP MLA.
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He's really the last old school Wild Roser left in the Alberta legislature. He was elected first in
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2012. He's one of the very few who didn't cross the floor to the PCs. And then in the purge of much of
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the Wild Rose elements after the merger of the PCs, he was one of the only old school Wild Rosers left
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standing. And he came out and said that he called on and he sits on the province's fair deal panel.
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And he and he called on the Premier very publicly in a statement in an interview with the Western
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Standard saying that the Premier should reject up every penny from Ottawa. We should not accept
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anything from this so-called bailout package to to pacify us. And he further said implying very strongly
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that he might agree with this that if Ottawa kills the tech mine that Albertans are there's gonna be
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a huge surge in support for independence and the implication being there that that that Ottawa better
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get this done or there might be and I say might be at least some people in Alberta willing to finally
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draw a line in the sand and make this more than positioning for bailout economic aid packages or
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simply yelling at Ottawa because it feels good. How many more uh how many more tech projects are in the
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sorry bad pun pipeline waiting waiting to happen um or is this the last big one? Well there's actually a
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provincial one that's being held up uh so there's another project that doesn't require federal approval
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but requires provincial approval I can't name it off the top of my head but they were coming out
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attacking the federal uh the provincial government just a few days ago accusing them of hypocrisy
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because they've uh they've been on regulatory hold for a very long time uh they say themselves I
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I haven't we haven't independently verified but they say themselves that they've met all the regulatory
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hurdles they're waiting on on the political yes uh from the province and they haven't got it uh I'm not
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sure what I'm not aware of any other major kind of mega projects that are in the pipeline so to
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speak right now and frankly I'm surprised there was even tech in the pipeline because the the memo
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went out a few years ago that you're not supposed to even try anymore well and isn't
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that kind of the point right I mean you know these large mega projects are so passe in an international
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you know world of 2020 um you almost think for the federal government they should just say you know
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what let's just do this because next one's not going to be funded by investors anyway so this will be the last one right
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you know I don't know what do you think Dave well keep in mind tech has been in the pipeline so to speak
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for 10 years and they've spent billions of dollars just to get to this stage so I think Derek's 100
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right this will probably be the last one we see but you know we're now getting arguments for people
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saying don't approve it they're saying well it's not going to be economically feasible well I'm sorry but
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it's not a it's none of your business but be the tech people obviously think that it will be or else
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they wouldn't have spent billions and billions of dollars to get it to this stage so yeah I think
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this will be the this will be the last one we see certainly in a long long time so so for the
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independence movement uh in Alberta Derek if this if this does get approved uh you think that'll you
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think that'll quell a lot of the anger that's fueling that to use another because if it gets
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approved it'll be seen as approved uh because Ottawa had no choice to not because they have the best
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interests of Alberta at heart uh but if it's not approved I think it will add a a very healthy dose
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of or hefty dose of fuel to the independence fire I think if you're if you're sitting around plotting uh
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uh independence right now you want Ottawa to say no to this and uh and send some uh insulting uh
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aid package in its place but uh I think approving it doesn't kill it but uh not approving it will
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will add huge fire to it and and I would uh well in uh Drew Barnes uh Drew Barnes's own words
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it would show there is no such thing as a fair deal with Ottawa there is no fair deal to be had
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and then the and then you really need to have an honest conversation with ourselves about are we
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willing to just accept the status quo that our lot in Canada is this and this is how we're going to be
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treated and that's just that or uh do we have to do something else well and if there is an energy
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industry future in Alberta it's not within Canada right I mean that's ultimately that's what that's
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what we're looking at that would I think that's already pretty clear but I think this would make
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it all the more clear I mean it would be undeniably an undeniable fact that Alberta's energy industry is
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set to die on this and and and to that um you know Jason Kenney had a huge change of tone uh in a conference
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he did um in Washington DC and in an interview with uh Don Braid Calgary Herald columnist uh where he is very
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different language uh not as strident on phasing out the oil sands and say Justin Trudeau or god
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forbid Jake meet singh but uh using language that this is temporary it's gonna go away uh much more
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moderate saying that that last barrel of oil that we produce in the world should be done in a place
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like Alberta but pretty much saying that uh yeah we're going to transition away from this towards the
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so-called renewable green economy uh very different language than we've seen before I I think he's under a
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lot of pressure to walk that back because it angers that angers a lot of people here uh but he is
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trying very hard uh to change his tone if not his substance in dealing with Ottawa and environmental
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groups almost uh to earn some kind of social license if not from the radicals which I think he's smart
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enough to know is not possible at least from the senior politicians in Ottawa which which hold the power
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in the last few minutes here um news this morning that uh Christy Blatchford a an absolute giant in
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journalism in Canada uh has passed away age 68 uh you knew her or you you met her uh your thoughts
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yeah uh she's worked for all the the big papers in Canada uh Paul and I dealt with her at arm's length
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for a lot of it but uh got to meet her up close and personal at the 1988 Calgary Olympics and the last
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night of the Olympics all the media got together and we blew off some steam uh because we'd all worked
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two months straight and uh she was the last man so to speak standing uh she outlasted us all and when we
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were all falling asleep on bus benches the next morning to catch a ride to Juan Antonio's uh press
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conference she was still holding court and uh yeah uh sad day and you said an absolute giant of uh
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Canadian journalism well our regards go out to uh her family and um we will wrap uh the episode on that
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note thanks for joining us today uh don't forget to like subscribe uh comment you can find us on the
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you can find us on your favorite podcast app from Calgary our publisher Derek Fildebrandt goodbye and
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from Abbotsford today Dave Naylor our news editor you've heard of uh you've heard of elf on the shelf
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i've now got Ezra on the shelf uh you know we'll be hoping for some uh less dreary weather next week
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paul good to be with you i thought my prop you know was gonna was gonna be the the big talking point
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today but you uh you absolutely um crushed me on that one uh paul holmes from victoria british
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columbia the digital editor thanks for tuning in and we'll see everybody next week