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00:00:00.000 Good day, welcome to the Corey Morgan Show.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, we got another good one ahead. Lots going on.

00:00:33.280 Some things haven't really slowed down politically that much.

00:00:35.700 Often it gets a little hard to find things to cover,

00:00:37.640 but there's been no shortage of stuff to go on about these days.

00:00:41.860 The show is live. Be sure to use that comment scroll.

00:00:45.400 Guys, send those questions my way, comments, ideas.

00:00:47.840 I see Jordan Lunt saying tall poppy syndrome.

00:00:50.300 Yeah, that leads into what I'm going to talk about in a bit,

00:00:52.100 and it's a good analogy for what I'm talking about.

00:00:55.660 Sean Wright talking about a referendum shouldn't even happen.

00:00:58.680 We're going to talk a little bit about that as well,

00:01:00.960 because Canada's collapse will bring about Alberta's independence.

00:01:04.740 That's another way to look at it. It might come that way. Who knows?

00:01:07.280 We're going to have Jonathan Dennis come on.

00:01:08.880 He was a former Justice Minister of Alberta.

00:01:10.560 We're going to talk a little bit about the tail end

00:01:12.660 of the progressive conservative government back in the past,

00:01:15.340 and now the current UCP,

00:01:17.140 and sort of the resurgence of some of the worst of the progressive conservatives.

00:01:20.680 Fabio Thomas Lukasik keeps popping up in the news scroll still,

00:01:24.620 whether we want to hear from him or not.

00:01:27.300 All right, but again, I'm going to rant about here in a bit here.

00:01:30.740 It's on the news, of course.

00:01:31.980 Just the announcements are always the same, it seems, out of Prime Minister Carney.

00:01:36.200 He's now tossing, what, a billion and some dollars at the BC forestry sector,

00:01:39.760 and I know they're hurting.

00:01:40.600 I know the trade mess is causing pressures,

00:01:43.320 but Carney's answer to everything is just tossing more money at it,

00:01:47.380 and guys, this doesn't bode well for us.

00:01:49.560 I mean, Alberta's doing well, despite Canada, not because of it.

00:01:52.800 And so, Saskatchewan's doing pretty good too.

00:01:54.800 Alberta's surpassing the rest of the country in most economic measures.

00:01:58.660 Even though oil prices have been tumultuous,

00:02:00.840 Alberta's economy is going strong.

00:02:02.520 Unemployment's below the national average.

00:02:04.760 Our provincial government posted a surplus of over $8 billion,

00:02:07.720 and new housing units even created will reach a record high of nearly 60,000 this year.

00:02:12.400 Having a low tax rate and a welcoming business environment

00:02:14.760 has diversified the local economy, and it's paying off.

00:02:17.900 Now, by comparison, Canada's economic outlook is a basket case.

00:02:21.180 Under Carney's brilliant guidance, the deficit went from $62 billion from when he was elected

00:02:25.820 to a staggering $92 billion and growing.

00:02:29.260 Carney's spending spree is making his predecessor, Justin Trudeau, look like a cheapskate.

00:02:33.700 We're just paying the interest on the current national debt costs

00:02:36.220 as much as the government brings in every year on the GST.

00:02:39.120 That's as much as the federal government sends out

00:02:40.740 in annual health care transfers to the provinces.

00:02:44.020 It gets worse, though.

00:02:45.620 Carney's fiscal irresponsibility is sure to lead to a credit downgrade

00:02:48.980 for the federal government soon, and that means interest rates will rise

00:02:52.460 on the federal debt as the balance grows by nearly $100 billion a year.

00:02:55.820 Look, Canada's swirling into a debt catastrophe,

00:02:58.820 and Carney's showing no indication of trying to stop it.

00:03:01.680 Carney was sold to Canadians in the last election

00:03:03.340 to some sort of economic and diplomatic wizard.

00:03:06.060 Well, so far, his economic ineptitude is only being overshadowed

00:03:10.160 by his utter failure to get a deal with Canada's largest trading partner done,

00:03:14.300 and the now-rising tariffs are devastating some Canadian industries.

00:03:17.900 The elbows-up approach has been a total failure.

00:03:20.900 Not to be outdone by the federal government, though,

00:03:22.540 Doug Ford's bumbling management of Ontario has put the province into have-not status,

00:03:26.820 and they rely on equalization payments to pay their bills.

00:03:30.880 Ford jumped into bed with Justin Trudeau on subsidy sinkholes,

00:03:33.700 such as battery plants that never began construction,

00:03:36.500 and edible cricket factories that went broke.

00:03:39.240 The unemployment rate in Ontario is nearly 8%,

00:03:41.440 while the cost of living continues to rise.

00:03:43.760 Despite having three times Alberta's population,

00:03:46.440 Ontario only managed to build the same number of housing units in one year.

00:03:50.320 Too much government has made increasing housing at a sustainable rate impossible.

00:03:55.220 Mass immigration, though, it continues to pressure the country, 1.00

00:03:57.500 while billions are spent to house refugees and hotels.

00:04:00.700 The influx has contributed to a near collapse of healthcare systems in every province, 1.00

00:04:04.640 and despite constant spending increases, it's just not getting better.

00:04:07.700 And of course, then there's the Maritimes.

00:04:09.020 They remain in perpetual state of dependency,

00:04:11.440 while unemployment in Newfoundland sits at 10% with no relief on the horizon.

00:04:15.020 Canada prefers to subsidize people to stay in the regions without resources,

00:04:18.560 rather than move the people to the regions that need the labor.

00:04:20.880 Then they bring in more mass immigration to fill the labor needs in other areas.

00:04:24.560 It's a recipe for national population imbalance.

00:04:27.180 And of course, let's look at Quebec.

00:04:28.840 Well, Quebec's in it for Quebec. 0.65

00:04:30.220 They control the national agenda,

00:04:31.880 and keeping terrible policies with everything from supply management

00:04:35.240 to impose bilingualism upon the West.

00:04:37.600 And they'll happily hinder Western economic development, 0.89

00:04:40.180 while sucking in billions in equalization payments and other bribes.

00:04:43.960 Manitoba and BC, they both elected socialist governments,

00:04:46.380 which are opposing pipeline development and stunting their own economies.

00:04:49.700 BC is likely going to join the majority of Canada,

00:04:52.460 as a have-not province will begin collecting welfare through equalization soon, too.

00:04:56.980 And that just leaves Alberta and Saskatchewan to pay the nation's bills, guys.

00:05:00.060 Rest assured, being the national sugar daddies,

00:05:02.720 won't earn the Prairie Provinces gratitude or respect.

00:05:05.400 Alberta and Saskatchewan will get nothing but contempt and ire from the Canadian power brokers.

00:05:09.220 Rather than emulate Alberta's success,

00:05:10.680 they'll strive to tear the provinces down, Prairie Provinces,

00:05:13.600 to their economic level and social failure.

00:05:17.000 Canada's Laurentian leader driven by ideology and entitlement.

00:05:20.140 They'd rather sink the nation than admit their ideology is one of failure.

00:05:24.380 Alberta and Saskatchewan's success has painted a target on their backs.

00:05:27.300 The Liberals have nothing to lose in enraging Prairie voters,

00:05:30.260 and they see the accumulating wealth of the West as a plum to be harvested for the East,

00:05:34.460 rather than an asset earned by Westerners, which must be kept by Westerners.

00:05:38.320 Premiers Moe and Smith both recognize this threat.

00:05:40.360 That's why legislation like the Sovereignty Act was created,

00:05:42.640 and while the provincial governments aren't overtly supporting independence,

00:05:45.300 they aren't hindering independence movements from growing and pursuing a referendum either.

00:05:48.620 The West has to prepare for another economic assault from the Eastern Canada. 0.98

00:05:51.940 It's going to happen.

00:05:53.080 It'll be the last gasp from a central government going broke.

00:05:55.360 Alberta and Saskatchewan can't save Canada.

00:05:57.980 We can save ourselves, though, through pursuing independence,

00:06:00.720 rather than letting misguided federalists pull us into economic insolvency with the rest of the nation.

00:06:06.240 So watch it, guys.

00:06:07.400 Strap in.

00:06:08.020 It's coming.

00:06:09.040 They're going broke.

00:06:09.960 And we're sitting with a full wallet.

00:06:11.560 You know they can't leave it that way for much longer.

00:06:13.740 All right, let's see what else is going on out there with...

00:06:16.240 It was Editor Dave.

00:06:16.980 How's it going?

00:06:17.500 I wish I had a full wallet.

00:06:19.860 Well, the province is a full wallet.

00:06:21.560 Well, yeah, we're an independent media.

00:06:22.760 Oh, as I was going to say, it doesn't do me any good whatsoever.

00:06:26.340 So I'm hearing that Duke the Wonder Dog acted heroically earlier this week.

00:06:31.640 He got up in the middle of the night and shook the windows and barked at the dog door because he sensed a bear outside.

00:06:38.260 Yes.

00:06:38.380 So, yeah, you had a black bear strolling on your cam heading for the honey.

00:06:42.220 He was heading that way, but the hives were intact in the morning.

00:06:45.660 Because of the heroic actions of Duke the Wonder Dog.

00:06:48.000 I'm sure Duke believes that.

00:06:50.760 Don't tell him otherwise.

00:06:51.940 Yeah, I think the electric fence might have more to do with it, but we'll see.

00:06:54.460 But, yes, Duke did get up and barked his brains out.

00:06:56.560 And our other dog, Volstagg, went tearing out into the hill hoping to get himself killed.

00:07:01.000 But the bear didn't bother with it. 0.64

00:07:02.620 There you go.

00:07:03.460 How do you have this area protected?

00:07:05.440 Do you say electric fences?

00:07:06.920 It's an old chicken coop.

00:07:08.280 And it's got it wired around that.

00:07:09.860 And then I've got an electric fence around that.

00:07:11.320 And then I've got a motion detector spotlight.

00:07:13.260 And I've got a Halloween decoration that makes a screaming noise whenever something comes near it.

00:07:17.640 And it's worked so far for the last few years.

00:07:19.380 Because, yeah, my first year at attempted beekeeping went great until a bear came in in a completely devastated way.

00:07:24.480 Yeah.

00:07:24.840 And, yeah, well, it's hope it stays that way because you're having a great year with them.

00:07:28.260 How are we going to load of it?

00:07:29.420 Yeah.

00:07:30.660 Man, it had to be 150 pounds of the last harvest or something like that.

00:07:33.780 100 pounds, maybe.

00:07:34.600 And just about as much more to come with.

00:07:36.320 Nice.

00:07:36.820 Good for you.

00:07:37.360 Good for you.

00:07:37.780 The rain's not good for me.

00:07:38.240 Now you've got to find a new hobby.

00:07:39.300 I've got to find something.

00:07:42.160 The news.

00:07:43.480 You talked about immigration.

00:07:45.240 Did you know that since Mark Carney became prime minister, the liberals have refused to release immigration numbers?

00:07:53.340 It used to come out once a month.

00:07:55.200 But it has stopped since March.

00:07:57.700 So Calgary Nose Hill MP Michelle Rempel-Garner got up on the soapbox today and demanded they restart it. 0.63

00:08:05.140 But I don't think there's much chance of the liberals telling us how many people are coming in, do you?

00:08:11.560 So they just don't want to admit that the mass immigration is continuing.

00:08:14.160 Exactly.

00:08:14.680 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 Exactly.

00:08:17.100 You don't want to be in Nova Scotia this summer.

00:08:19.320 They banned walking in the woods.

00:08:20.640 The fire danger is extreme up there.

00:08:26.500 So the Premier Houston this morning banned people from going on walks in the woods.

00:08:31.500 Well, you know, since we really have a very flimsy charter of rights, things like mobility and so on don't even come into play.

00:08:37.420 If the Premier, you know, frivolously wants to ban people from going on public land, what can you do?

00:08:41.980 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:42.860 And it includes things like, you know, the dirt bikes and the quads and all that sort of stuff.

00:08:49.200 Well, we get that occasionally here.

00:08:50.700 When it gets really hot and dry, they stop the ATVs and so on.

00:08:53.800 They never stop people.

00:08:54.920 No. 1.00

00:08:55.520 And I mean, I know some people will say, oh, it's some idiot who will go out there and flick a cigarette. 1.00

00:08:58.960 But, you know, the idiot who's going to flick a cigarette and digress isn't going to be smart enough to stop going in the woods if Premier. 1.00

00:09:05.280 Houston told him not. 1.00

00:09:06.380 Exactly.

00:09:06.780 Yeah, not a summer of no fun shaking up in Nova Scotia.

00:09:12.880 Our summer is no fun because of rain.

00:09:15.840 And it won't stop every day.

00:09:18.400 And as I said, it's good for the bees.

00:09:19.980 But otherwise, it's something else at my place, like a jungle when you go outside my fences.

00:09:23.720 Boy, there's no fire risk back there, even if I wanted to burn.

00:09:26.400 Exactly.

00:09:27.560 Yet again, another active shooter in the United States, this time at a military base quarry.

00:09:31.820 This morning in Georgia, Fort Stewart, five soldiers shot, transported to hospital.

00:09:39.100 And really, that's only the details we know at the moment.

00:09:42.620 Suspect is in custody.

00:09:44.540 But I'll be updating that story throughout the afternoon.

00:09:49.480 So here's my favorite story of the day.

00:09:51.700 Seattle Kraken, NHL hockey team.

00:09:54.300 They've got a furry mascot called Boy.

00:09:58.680 Boy, you know, as in boy, boy, yeah, that might be the better way to pronounce it.

00:10:03.460 So every year they do a thing with an Alaska hockey school, try and keep interest in Alaska and hockey.

00:10:09.700 So they decided the thing to do would be to go to the epicenter of grizzly bears in the entire world.

00:10:15.980 Brook Falls, where the hundreds of bears sit and wait for salmon and put this stuffed animal thing, mascot, in the middle of the river, fly fishing with a player, a Seattle Kraken player.

00:10:31.760 And then, of course, you see the grizzly approaching on the pathway and his eyes light up.

00:10:39.560 Oh, exotic food, a sushi or something nice and fluffy out there.

00:10:46.280 So, of course, the bear charges into the water.

00:10:49.020 And the poor Bowie and the hockey player, I mean, I'll give them credit.

00:10:54.380 They didn't scream like little girls like I would have.

00:10:56.720 No, I would have too.

00:10:57.600 It would have been a cold brown.

00:10:58.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:59.860 But, you know, the bear sort of went towards them, charged towards them, and then kind of veered off at the very end.

00:11:05.260 So I think they're very lucky.

00:11:07.160 Very lucky.

00:11:07.880 But there's some great video on the website, and you can go check that out.

00:11:11.220 So, but that's the story of the day.

00:11:14.120 Our editorial we can talk about is praising American Eagle for standing by the lovely Sidney Sweeney and not collapsing in the face of all that incredible woke outrage.

00:11:28.020 Oh, it's true.

00:11:28.680 And incredible it was.

00:11:30.120 It was crazy. 0.97

00:11:30.800 It's ridiculous. 0.97

00:11:31.920 I mean, you know, even moving towards a celebration of ugly, it kind of comes more towards that one of my commenters talking about the tall poppy syndrome. 0.97

00:11:38.920 There's just certain people who just feel, well, guys, tear everybody down.

00:11:41.600 Okay, we didn't all get the good genes of Sweeney, but we can still put them out and advertise and appreciate them for crying out.

00:11:46.840 Exactly. 1.00

00:11:47.600 It's just stupid. 1.00

00:11:49.280 There was a 16-year-old murdered in Calgary last week. 1.00

00:11:52.200 Corey, we've got an update on that coming up shortly, including a family statement.

00:11:57.460 And I've got to give you a plug. 0.73

00:11:58.940 I've got to give my friend Corey Morgan a plug.

00:12:01.400 He makes the second best honey in Alberta, admittedly.

00:12:06.720 And he will be at the Longview Craft Market this weekend.

00:12:10.480 It was a farmer's market.

00:12:11.580 Farmer's market in Longview.

00:12:12.820 Yeah.

00:12:13.180 And he will have his honey for sale there.

00:12:15.760 Hundreds of pounds that he's already harvested.

00:12:18.560 Best honey.

00:12:19.200 Why?

00:12:19.460 In my opinion.

00:12:20.220 But I haven't tasted the other guys.

00:12:21.900 But, yeah, go ahead and buy Corey's honey.

00:12:25.380 Well, I appreciate the plug.

00:12:26.720 And I still think it was a flaw in the judging on the last one.

00:12:29.220 But either way, there's been no complaints about the honey.

00:12:30.800 So thanks for that.

00:12:31.400 But, yeah, Jen will be there all day, too, with her barn quilts.

00:12:34.640 So good.

00:12:35.000 Well, hopefully a successful day and the rain stays away.

00:12:37.280 Yeah.

00:12:37.780 Let's go.

00:12:38.640 There you go.

00:12:39.260 Well, thanks, Dave.

00:12:39.980 And I guess it's going to be a couple of weeks before we see you in here.

00:12:42.620 Yeah, I'm taking some time off.

00:12:44.480 Grandson time.

00:12:45.200 My first grandson out in Vancouver.

00:12:47.700 I've got some relatives flying in from England.

00:12:49.620 So it should be a great two weeks for me.

00:12:51.320 Right on.

00:12:51.800 Well, enjoy the break.

00:12:53.060 And see you when I get back.

00:12:54.300 When you get back.

00:12:55.140 You bet.

00:12:55.420 All right.

00:12:56.780 That is our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:12:58.580 Busy and getting his stuff done before he can escape to the coast and enjoy his grandson

00:13:03.820 as he should.

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00:13:42.660 You can see the other Dave behind me there.

00:13:44.500 He's not eating Shanghai noodles today as he was the other day.

00:13:47.540 But he will be joining me for news updates while Dave Naylor is on vacation.

00:13:51.360 So we'll have fun with him when that show gets rolling.

00:13:53.920 I won't allow him to bring his lunch in with him.

00:13:55.720 All right.

00:13:56.180 I see Jonathan already in the lobby.

00:13:57.600 Maybe I'll pull him in.

00:13:58.280 I've been looking forward to this.

00:13:59.420 This is Jonathan Dennis, former cabinet minister.

00:14:02.400 He was the justice minister, solicitor general, attorney general.

00:14:05.720 So many titles they give to that thing.

00:14:07.180 Back with the Redford government in the past and now runs Guardian Law.

00:14:12.300 How are you doing, Jonathan?

00:14:13.160 I'm better now that I'm on your show, Corey.

00:14:14.700 How are you doing?

00:14:15.680 Good, good.

00:14:16.500 No, I really appreciate you coming on today.

00:14:18.500 You've got a voice that you can really add to this because I think we're still in a transitional place in politics in a way.

00:14:26.280 I mean, you were kind of on the tail end of an incredible dynasty, I guess, of progressive conservatives.

00:14:30.900 It, you know, we went through the turning point of putting the NDP in for a while and then the UCP is back in.

00:14:38.680 They've changed a leader.

00:14:39.940 It's like they're still trying to find their footing.

00:14:41.740 But, I mean, so where do we begin?

00:14:46.160 I mean, towards the end of the progressive conservatives, there was kind of some problems going on within.

00:14:49.940 Every party has that.

00:14:51.760 And one of the people who's been coming up, we've been hearing in the news again, for example, is Thomas Lukasik.

00:14:56.200 You served in cabinet with him.

00:14:59.760 Did he indicate, I guess, some of the divided people within the past progressive conservatives?

00:15:05.040 Well, so I'll tell you, oddly enough, he and I were appointed in cabinet the same day.

00:15:08.960 It was January 15, 2010.

00:15:10.400 Never forget that day.

00:15:11.740 And I remember my uncle, Jerome, showing up and saying that he had taught him at St. Joseph's High School up in Edmonton.

00:15:18.120 So Thomas was elected in 2001.

00:15:20.900 I came in in 2008.

00:15:22.900 If there's one thing I really got to give him credit for, though, he put a lot of work into Ukraine relief.

00:15:30.360 Him and Ed Stelmack put together like a whole plane of relief items to Ukraine.

00:15:35.580 So good on him for that.

00:15:36.520 Like, I don't care what side of the spectrum you're on.

00:15:38.520 When you're doing charity work like that, kudos, man.

00:15:40.920 That's very neat.

00:15:42.040 Now, some of the problems that the PC party had towards the end is it was the only game in town for literally 44 years.

00:15:49.860 Peter Loughey came to power in 1971.

00:15:52.440 We were out in 2015.

00:15:54.160 That's the second longest streak of any government in Canadian history.

00:15:58.600 So it's not insignificant.

00:15:59.560 The problem towards the end, and Ted Morton had talked about this.

00:16:02.860 He was there a term before me.

00:16:04.660 He had noticed that the PC party was starting to try to establish like a different base.

00:16:11.540 And so what ended up happening is in doing that, we alienated a lot of our traditional supporters.

00:16:17.280 And I'll be honest, I really did not find a lot in common with Mr. Lukasik when I was in office.

00:16:25.460 He has some different views.

00:16:27.920 And the fact that he has actually openly supported the NDP in the last two provincial elections,

00:16:33.820 has been openly working with Trudeau the last couple of federal elections,

00:16:37.760 that doesn't really seem that conservative to me.

00:16:41.560 No, and that's what I kind of wanted to get at was I guess some people would say,

00:16:45.420 well, that's a good sign.

00:16:46.300 It was diversity in the governing party.

00:16:48.240 You had some people of very different ideologies within the same government.

00:16:51.080 But realistically, that's kind of what led to the instability probably,

00:16:54.740 which led to the end of things later.

00:16:56.880 You've remained, you know, quite consistently conservative minded ever since,

00:17:00.280 even after leaving government.

00:17:02.700 Mr. Lukasik, as you said, is now leaning more towards the NDP and the liberals.

00:17:07.800 Now, we've got a different outlook going on.

00:17:09.460 There's a two-party system sort of happening.

00:17:12.880 Mr. Lukasik really is becoming a public person.

00:17:15.280 Do you think he might be, though, looking at pursuing a political role again?

00:17:18.860 Well, again, only he could answer that question.

00:17:22.360 But I'll just say this, is that either he is, he's quite good at drawing attention to himself.

00:17:28.600 I'll give him that as well.

00:17:29.840 But the question is, is one of my neighbours got an email from his Forever Canada campaign.

00:17:35.960 And I'm starting to think, you know, this is a really good way to amass a lot of data.

00:17:41.340 Names, adversities, emails, and also somebody's voter intention.

00:17:46.540 Like, what are your biggest issues?

00:17:48.020 It's a really, really good way to amass a lot of data.

00:17:51.120 Potentially tens, even hundreds of thousands of potential names.

00:17:54.540 So my question is this, is he just looking for attention?

00:17:57.980 Or is there something else afoot here?

00:17:59.340 Because I really, really get the feeling, even anecdotally, that Nenshi is not catching on as the NDP leader.

00:18:05.900 So is he looking to succeed to him?

00:18:07.760 I don't know.

00:18:08.380 Is he looking to, the Alberta party is going to have a couple more MLAs here.

00:18:11.680 Is he looking to go there?

00:18:12.880 I don't know the answer to that question.

00:18:15.020 But it is interesting.

00:18:17.100 Yeah, well, and I want to bring that up too, actually.

00:18:19.160 Yeah, with Peter Guthrie, and he was talking about kind of re, you know, bringing the progressive conservative name back.

00:18:25.460 But it turns out he can't legally do that.

00:18:27.120 So now he's looking at the Alberta party, whether or not they'll go anywhere with that or not.

00:18:31.440 I mean, time will tell.

00:18:32.960 But it's one of those indications, again, of a conservative party that Premier Smith has got to worry about trying to maintain some degree of unity.

00:18:39.520 Or she could, you know, get into some devastating splits before the next election. 1.00

00:18:44.620 Well, that's absolutely true.

00:18:45.760 But to go back to an earlier point as well, I do believe it's important to build coalitions.

00:18:51.020 I also think that it's important to, like, let past fights go.

00:18:53.720 You and I have been on some opposite sides of the past.

00:18:55.540 I think you're a great guy.

00:18:56.600 You know, you can have friends across the aisle.

00:18:58.620 But the caveat to that is you cannot get too broad to the point where you tolerate everything and stand for nothing.

00:19:04.900 There isn't a point where a party has to ask itself, what are our core values?

00:19:09.060 What makes us conservative?

00:19:10.320 And there's different.

00:19:11.300 There's economic conservatives, social conservatives, environmental conservatives.

00:19:14.620 You know, there's a lot of common ground there.

00:19:16.700 But it just can't get too broad.

00:19:20.280 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:21.980 And, I mean, you were just in such a diverse cabinet.

00:19:28.240 How well, I mean, with a leader trying to hold that together, when you get somebody on such a...

00:19:34.020 They were trying to be everything to everybody, I think, is kind of what led to the end, to a degree, with the PCs.

00:19:38.440 People knew as well, if you wanted to get into a government seat, you had to join the PCs back then.

00:19:43.880 So even if you're...

00:19:44.780 It's the only gig in town.

00:19:45.840 Yeah.

00:19:46.160 If your ideology was more left-leaning, NDP-ish, and there were a number of people with the PCs that way, well, they pursued that route.

00:19:51.660 But there must have been some pretty scorching battles in there occasionally, then, between some of the individuals.

00:19:57.480 I don't expect you to breach confidentialities, but that makes a challenge for a leader.

00:20:01.800 The confidentiality continues after the fact.

00:20:04.420 So I'm not going to get...

00:20:05.280 Yeah.

00:20:05.780 Thank you for that out.

00:20:07.980 But, you know, I do remember one time, like, Mr. McCas really didn't like being challenged in caucus.

00:20:13.620 I remember an altercation, not a physical one, that he and I had had a government house after the fact.

00:20:20.440 Reality, though, is the...

00:20:23.480 I would just...

00:20:24.240 I'd like us to ask as a movement, what are our core values?

00:20:27.460 What makes a person an environmental conservative, a social conservative, a fiscal conservative like myself?

00:20:34.040 What defines us as a movement?

00:20:35.840 There's certain non-negotiables that a person must have or that a party really should have.

00:20:41.160 What makes us the party that we're at?

00:20:43.920 And you start straying too far from that, what ends up happening is you alienate your traditional supporters.

00:20:49.820 And I think maybe you were in that category.

00:20:51.860 You felt alienated at that time.

00:20:54.240 One of the biggest moments of the decline, though, is I have seen pride and arrogance ruin more people in this business than any scandal ever will.

00:21:02.720 And when a leader thinks that he or she is all that in a bag of chips, that's when the consultations stop.

00:21:09.660 And that is, at that very moment, is when the bad decisions start.

00:21:14.500 Yeah, when they start looking for...

00:21:15.980 Well, they're finding hills to die on rather than perhaps examining ways of compromise to hold things together.

00:21:20.660 I just see a perilous, or not perilous, but a challenging outlook for the UCP going ahead.

00:21:30.120 I mean, as we are in a two-party system, sort of, you're kind of all or nothing.

00:21:33.940 The PCs had that vent.

00:21:34.940 There was the Alberta Alliance, Wild Rose coming along, but there was also still some degree of the Liberal Party was going on.

00:21:41.080 There was the NDP.

00:21:42.560 Now you've really just got two.

00:21:45.540 And, you know, holding that together.

00:21:48.040 I mean, Nenshi's got his challenges as well, trying to keep things capped up with the NDP.

00:21:53.240 But Premier Smith, now she's got kind of a newer element, too. 1.00

00:21:56.080 I said there's some core conservative principles, but not every conservative, for example, is supportive of Alberta independence.

00:22:02.800 But that's a strong portion of her party base does support that.

00:22:07.940 And she's got quite a balancing act to juggle there, too, because that's the sort of issue that can be a deal breaker for some people.

00:22:13.200 Well, I've got to really commend the Premier here, because she and I have been on some opposite sides before.

00:22:17.300 I've known her since 1998.

00:22:19.620 It comes a time to let some of these things go.

00:22:23.000 But, again, you want to ask, really, the direction the government is going.

00:22:27.660 If the government is going, she's done a very good job at standing up for this province.

00:22:33.820 I think that's one thing where she has shone at.

00:22:37.240 But that in itself, we want to ask ourselves, what do we want to do?

00:22:41.760 We want more balanced budgets.

00:22:43.240 She's delivered on a tax cut.

00:22:44.940 That's great.

00:22:45.380 I'm not saying that I support everything that the UCP is doing.

00:22:48.340 There's some really bad insurance legislation that's coming out that's going to take everybody's rights away.

00:22:52.780 But, you know, I'm a supporter of this government.

00:22:54.700 And the reason that we were able to win PC seats like in Edmonton is because there were two left-wing parties.

00:23:01.700 There was the NDP and the Liberals.

00:23:03.540 That now is only the NDP, and that's why we keep losing in Edmonton.

00:23:06.820 It's a bold split.

00:23:07.460 Simple as that.

00:23:08.080 But the flip side to that is if we have multiple conservative parties again, that poses a problem for us, even in Alberta, as we saw in 2015.

00:23:17.260 And that could be a real problem going on.

00:23:22.400 It's funny, when you're talking, though, about, and I mean, you're a lawyer.

00:23:27.740 You've been actually, you know, outspoken on with that.

00:23:29.400 That's a whole separate issue.

00:23:30.480 We would talk about with some of the law societies and challenges going on there and independence in those areas.

00:23:36.300 But with data mining, I mean, it's understandable.

00:23:39.280 Okay, the exercise, for example, that Mr. Lukasik's got going on, those signatures, though, any signatures going towards a referendum, that data should not be used for any other purpose, aside from giving to the electoral officer to invoke an election, right, or a referendum.

00:23:55.740 So that's a bit of a complex issue.

00:23:57.600 Just like every legal issue, the answer is it depends.

00:24:00.020 Okay.

00:24:00.320 So our privacy legislation, there's the Freedom of Information Protection of Privacy Act, and then there's the Personal Information Protection Act.

00:24:06.920 There's an exception there for politics.

00:24:09.680 Okay.

00:24:10.080 So, for example, if I knock on your door and your issue are people using your washroom at your, at your, at your, at your restaurant, I will write that down.

00:24:18.620 I can give that to a different candidate.

00:24:20.460 But it's a little bit different, though, with something like this, is that it should not be used for other purposes.

00:24:25.660 And I happen to know that the chief electoral officer will salt lists.

00:24:29.940 For example, we'll put a John Q. Simpson in that doesn't exist.

00:24:34.220 And then if that John Q. Simpson is called from somebody else, that discloses that that's been used.

00:24:39.340 So it's not against the privacy legislation.

00:24:41.840 But for something like this, as you point out, it is actually against the Elections Act.

00:24:46.720 Yeah, actually, that, that's all take a list.

00:24:49.180 We did that with one of the Wildrose leadership contests going on as well, just to make sure that people weren't sharing lists elsewhere.

00:24:55.940 And we let them know, because there's no sense being a secret.

00:24:58.360 Don't, don't be surprised if that list actually was shared.

00:25:01.160 Okay.

00:25:01.220 Yeah.

00:25:01.980 But either way, you know, it's, it's, it's, we want to be preventative with it.

00:25:07.240 But yeah, it's a good thing I don't own that bar anymore.

00:25:09.320 I don't want people voting on whether or not they could use my bathroom.

00:25:11.540 But I mean, it is complicated.

00:25:15.220 If you're petitioning door to door, you can technically have two clipboards.

00:25:18.960 One is for the potential signature and others for, so well, I've also met this person and they're supportive of this party.

00:25:23.660 And I'm going to share the other clipboard information with the party of my choice.

00:25:29.220 Nothing stops that.

00:25:30.600 Nothing stops that.

00:25:31.320 So the question is, is where is this data going?

00:25:33.740 I, I suspect that it is for more purposes than simply this Forever Canada campaign.

00:25:39.600 What that is, I don't know.

00:25:40.880 Well, yeah, well, we, we have to wonder, I mean, is Mr.

00:25:45.720 Lukasik, it's a lot of work on his part and he's, he's not a fool.

00:25:49.220 Uh, he, he knows this won't go anywhere, even if he gets it across the finish line.

00:25:56.060 And then there's a referendum held.

00:25:57.320 His question is saying, do you want to support the status quo?

00:26:00.800 So I mean, no matter which way of vote goes, nothing's going to change.

00:26:03.760 Uh, so what is he really going for with this?

00:26:07.600 Just trying to throw sand in the gears or, or is there an ulterior motive?

00:26:10.980 I mean, we can only speculate.

00:26:12.260 We can only speculate at this point, but my prediction is that neither, uh, referendum question gets the requisite amount of signatures.

00:26:19.140 It's a very high bar and you only have a limited time to go through and get those particular signatures in.

00:26:25.480 So that's a very, very high bar, uh, to go and meet.

00:26:29.280 Uh, that's a lot of organization.

00:26:31.120 Yes, there's 5 million people in this province.

00:26:33.140 Some of them are under 18.

00:26:34.320 Some of them are not Canadian citizens, uh, or coming.

00:26:37.220 That's great that they're coming here.

00:26:38.460 Uh, but, uh, you, you, you're, you're going from a very, uh, a very, uh, large group that you need to go and attract in a very short period of time.

00:26:47.880 Yeah, so now the, the electoral officer has, uh, you know, put forward the Alberta Prosperity Projects question to the court of King's bench to have them review it for constitutionality.

00:26:59.340 Uh, Premier Smith has, uh, expressed ire with that, but we, I mean, the premier doesn't want to get into a scrap with the chief electoral officer.

00:27:06.220 That's got some of the worst optics you could possibly have, but at the same time, does this need to go before that?

00:27:12.560 I mean, I thought the Supreme Court and the Clarity Act pretty much laid it out as long as you have a clear question, it shouldn't be a problem.

00:27:18.580 So the Clarity Act says it must be a clear question at a clear majority.

00:27:22.080 So the clear question, if you go back to the 1995 Quebec referendum, that was a very, very long, uh, question that Lucie Bouchard had put up.

00:27:29.940 I actually think the better question that would be there is, do you want to separate from Canada or something very similar to that?

00:27:35.720 So a clear majority would mean something more than 50%, probably not 80%, but something more than 50%.

00:27:41.560 That's the Clarity Act.

00:27:43.140 I want to just preface this comment that I'm not criticizing any judge, not criticizing any court here whatsoever, but I do question, why does this need to go to a court?

00:27:53.160 To me, that this is a political exercise.

00:27:55.620 Uh, this is something that can be cited by our elected officials.

00:27:59.120 I don't know why it's going to a court.

00:28:01.260 Well, and it, it does.

00:28:02.940 And, you know, I, I've dealt with elections, Alberta.

00:28:05.120 I've always actually, despite a lot of people having conspiracy theories and everything, I find they bend over backwards very hard to remain as unbiased.

00:28:11.840 As possible when it comes to partisan things.

00:28:14.080 I mean, that's the very core of their being that they cannot apply a bias or it's the worst possible area for such in a bureaucracy.

00:28:21.580 It's the elections.

00:28:22.400 But when he's taken it upon himself to put that towards the court of King's bench, it, it, it kind of raises a little questions on, you know, does he feel that it's worth, I don't want to question the integrity of the chief electoral officer, but.

00:28:35.600 No, no, no, actually, you know, for the most part, I, like I've acted on a few judicial recounts at different levels of government.

00:28:40.880 For the most part, our democracy in Canada is pretty good.

00:28:43.280 It's never going to be perfect, but it's pretty good.

00:28:45.920 You don't really have like these mass voter fraud issues and stuff like that you see in other democracies.

00:28:50.260 It's pretty good.

00:28:50.940 So the chief electoral officer, they've always been pretty good as well.

00:28:55.040 Like I don't really think that there's a conspiracy going on there, but it does also raise a bit of an access to justice point.

00:29:01.860 Okay.

00:29:03.100 Lawyers aren't cheap.

00:29:04.300 Okay.

00:29:04.740 When you've actually got to go to court to get a referendum question established, it can be costly and not everybody can afford that.

00:29:13.020 No.

00:29:13.520 And it can take some time.

00:29:15.080 I mean, how long do you think it'll take before a judge could look at that and then give a ruling, whether it's a thumbs up or thumbs down?

00:29:20.260 Well, there's always a bit of mystery when it comes to the judges and they often talk about the lack of judicial resources, which is real.

00:29:26.240 Alberta, by every metric to our ratio of judges to population, has always been at the lower margin.

00:29:33.820 And that's largely because of the people from Saskatchewan like me who keep coming here, people from other provinces, other countries here coming here.

00:29:41.160 But we have to keep up.

00:29:42.540 It can take a very, very long time to get an answer to that question.

00:29:48.200 And there's an old adage in my business, the wheels of justice turn slowly.

00:29:53.280 That's entirely true.

00:29:54.360 And the judge can issue it at any time.

00:29:56.300 So the other question I would ask is, is this a political move to delay this closer to the next election in 2027?

00:30:03.220 That's a valid question.

00:30:04.900 Yeah.

00:30:05.160 And I don't feel that the premier is going to want to have to juggle that issue with a referendum happening close to a general election.

00:30:11.920 Rigo, that's my point.

00:30:13.800 So she would probably be, if she wants to get this done, she wants that band-aid peeled off next year so that whatever way that referendum goes, she's dealing now with an election the year after, not that. 1.00

00:30:22.640 But she can't speed a judge up. 1.00

00:30:24.820 You can't speed it.

00:30:26.040 Basic judicial independence.

00:30:27.360 I remember back in the day, Jean Charest got kicked out of cabinet in the 80s for even calling a judge.

00:30:35.400 You don't go anywhere near that.

00:30:38.540 They have independence as to when and when they want to set it out.

00:30:42.860 And it's independent of any political direction.

00:30:44.960 Once a judge is appointed, he or she can do whatever they want.

00:30:47.820 Yeah.

00:30:48.000 And that independence is very important.

00:30:50.160 It is.

00:30:50.920 It's just only with one final thing, though.

00:30:52.800 Would it be possible then, even if there hadn't been a ruling for the premier just to say, well, we're pulling the trigger.

00:30:57.320 We can allow these guys to start petitioning now regardless.

00:31:00.140 And we'll find out the constitutionality of it later.

00:31:02.280 That could be a little dangerous because what could happen is a party could apply for an injunction stopping that.

00:31:09.140 But on top of that, there's such a matter of a judicial independence order.

00:31:12.260 The Chief Justice of Alberta can then go and issue a judicial independence order.

00:31:15.680 I reminded him once a conversation I had with Mr. Nenshi in 2012 when he wanted me to put the arrest processing unit at the bottom of the Calgary Courthouse.

00:31:23.320 I said, buddy, I will get a judicial independence order slapped against me if I go and do that.

00:31:28.800 You're quite correct, Corey.

00:31:30.340 That actually is a very important principle in our democracy.

00:31:33.620 All right.

00:31:34.360 Well, I appreciate you coming in to share some of your political and legal wisdom with us here in these crazy, unique times.

00:31:41.640 You know, where can people find what you're up to?

00:31:44.860 You're not as public as you used to be.

00:31:46.100 I know, you know, you've got Guardian Law on the go and you've been taking on some great cases.

00:31:50.780 We have offices in both Calgary and Regina.

00:31:53.900 We're an interprovincial office.

00:31:55.400 Just to bring a couple more people on.

00:31:57.280 Anybody has any questions for me?

00:31:58.800 You know, I just like to talk about this business.

00:32:00.980 Give me a call and ask me for coffee.

00:32:02.480 And you and I will review for that.

00:32:04.500 Great.

00:32:04.920 Well, thank you very much again.

00:32:06.440 And I'll let you get back on.

00:32:07.560 I know you're on the road today.

00:32:08.720 So I appreciate it and hope we talk again soon.

00:32:10.500 Thanks again for having me on, Corey.

00:32:11.920 Take care.

00:32:12.620 Thanks.

00:32:13.800 So that was Jonathan Dennis.

00:32:15.440 Yeah, I was from folks who might remember past political figures in Alberta.

00:32:19.880 And yeah, he's still out there and active with things.

00:32:22.640 And there's just so many questions with this, right?

00:32:25.060 You know, you hope for clarity.

00:32:26.580 You hope for clear cut, straight pass.

00:32:29.000 And then the ambiguity gets thrown in.

00:32:32.840 I'm kind of frustrated in my view.

00:32:34.300 But again, I'm not a judge.

00:32:35.300 I'm not a lawyer.

00:32:35.900 The question from the Alberta Prosperity Project is pretty straightforward.

00:32:40.380 You could tell what they tried to do was very purposeful in saying, do you want, and I'm paraphrasing, I might have it a little off.

00:32:47.220 I should have written it down.

00:32:48.540 But do you want Alberta to become a sovereign nation of its own outside of Canada?

00:32:52.460 Do you want to leave Canada?

00:32:53.560 You know, it's as clear as that.

00:32:57.620 Jonathan said it should be just as basic as do you want to separate?

00:32:59.900 Even a little more cut down from that.

00:33:03.180 But separate, I guess, the worry, you get people all ambiguity.

00:33:07.100 Does that mean with this or that?

00:33:08.540 Or is that a sovereign nation of Alberta?

00:33:09.800 Or is that in conjunction with others?

00:33:11.040 They made it pretty clear in a sentence in some of the Prosperity Project.

00:33:14.440 As Jonathan mentioned, the Quebec referendum, for those who remember from 1995, that question was a giant word salad of ambiguity and ugliness.

00:33:23.820 And that's why it went, you know, because you could read that 10 different ways.

00:33:28.740 And how are you going to get people to vote on something?

00:33:30.600 It should be pretty much stay or go.

00:33:33.240 And I'm pretty, I'm confident, though the judge might not agree with me, I'm confident that what the Alberta Prosperity Project put forward is clear.

00:33:42.000 So, why are we delaying on this?

00:33:45.900 And I mean, while we've got Lukasik, I've seen some of the discussion on the comment scrolls.

00:33:49.580 So, I mean, just to, for some people who don't watch this closely, so Alberta's referendum legislation just came into being, or just at least got amended recently.

00:34:00.480 Jason Kenney first brought it in and he set it to a ridiculous bar that made it pretty much impossible for anybody to meet it.

00:34:06.660 That's why the, that's the recall legislation's in there as well.

00:34:09.840 That's why to recall Jody Gondek under that old legislation took more signatures on a petition than people who actually voted in the election. 0.61

00:34:18.720 It was ridiculous.

00:34:20.600 And it's been scaled down, but Lukasik thought he'd jump the gun and he applied to petition to have a referendum held before the new legislation came into power.

00:34:34.000 And it starts getting complicated.

00:34:37.080 There's policy referendums and there are referenda and there's constitutional ones.

00:34:42.760 Now, his would be under a policy one under the old legislation.

00:34:46.040 It means he needs nearly 300,000 signatures and he only has 90 days to get them.

00:34:52.260 I'm hearing different numbers from them.

00:34:53.800 I mean, they already flubbed up and stepped in it by attacking Alberta's flag in a safe way and embarrassed themselves and shut down one of their Facebook groups.

00:35:00.160 That gets them going.

00:35:01.420 They have not been doing well.

00:35:02.680 They'll be getting a lot of legacy media coverage.

00:35:06.040 Chorus just seems to be determined to pump the tires for Lukasik's petition.

00:35:11.020 To get 300,000 signatures, you've got to remember, this is a real petition.

00:35:14.380 This isn't online.

00:35:15.500 This isn't anything like that.

00:35:16.360 You've got to have a person registered holding that clipboard to another person, witnessing them to fill out their full name, home address.

00:35:24.340 You can't use a mailing address.

00:35:25.360 Just for people with the APP, I'll give that tip.

00:35:27.480 Don't take a box number.

00:35:28.960 That's invalid.

00:35:30.060 It's got to have contact information in it.

00:35:32.840 It's got to be legible.

00:35:35.180 And to get 300,000 of those is massive.

00:35:39.440 It is massive.

00:35:40.540 They need 3,300 of those a day for 90 days pretty much to pull it down.

00:35:44.980 And you've got to remember, you've got to be closer to over 300,000 because you know they're going to throw some out.

00:35:50.600 Or as Jonathan said, the chief electoral officer will actually have some fake names in there to make sure you're not abusing the lists.

00:35:56.200 And what they'll do is they won't check every name, of course.

00:35:59.040 That would take them years to check the 300,000 people.

00:36:01.240 But they'll task a bunch of staff to check a whole bunch of the names.

00:36:06.340 They'll watch for duplicates.

00:36:07.800 Duplicates are going to be thrown out.

00:36:08.980 If you're doing it, you see, part of what Fabio there, Lukasik, is doing is he's going to farmers markets and public events and they're getting signatures there.

00:36:15.760 So that's fine in the short term.

00:36:17.920 But what you find at those is it's the same people who come weekend after weekend after weekend.

00:36:21.800 They can only sign once.

00:36:23.840 And if they sign multiple times, you're going to get in trouble because they do cross-check some of this.

00:36:27.780 And they're going to check some others.

00:36:28.900 And if this is a fake person, that's going to get stricken off the list.

00:36:31.700 And if they find too many invalid ones in the petition, they could throw the entire thing out.

00:36:38.260 So it is no small task to get these 300,000 signatures.

00:36:44.560 Now, the Alberta Prosperity Project, theirs was filed after the new legislation came in.

00:36:52.380 So they only need, and it's still a lot, 170-some thousand signatures.

00:36:58.560 And they'll have 120 days to do it rather than 90 days.

00:37:02.420 So a much, much lower bar than what Thomas Lukasik has.

00:37:08.800 And they've been organizing for years.

00:37:13.960 They've been gathering names for years.

00:37:15.860 They've been holding meetings around the province for years.

00:37:17.780 This is the game.

00:37:18.960 This is what they've been waiting for.

00:37:20.360 This is what they're up for.

00:37:21.840 So I'm pretty confident if they can just get the go-ahead, they're going to get it done.

00:37:27.060 But if now the electoral officer has thrown this into the courts,

00:37:32.680 how long is it going to be before they're allowed to actually start collecting these signatures?

00:37:36.460 This is more sand in the gears than Lukasik possibly could have done.

00:37:42.740 So are there going to be two referendum?

00:37:45.000 I doubt it.

00:37:45.920 I just, I don't, I really don't believe Lukasik's going to get that 300,000 in.

00:37:49.900 But as Jonathan pointed out, this could have a different agenda, right?

00:37:57.760 You're also data mining while you're at it.

00:37:59.500 You're campaigning while you're at it.

00:38:00.840 You're doing a whole separate thing while you're at it.

00:38:03.800 So even if you never get the question on, suddenly you see data is everything.

00:38:06.740 Those lists, those identified people, it is worth a lot to somebody running a campaign.

00:38:16.020 And Lukasik and his volunteers are building up a whole lot of names of people.

00:38:19.560 Not saying that they're photocopying the petition form.

00:38:21.980 That would be an abuse of it.

00:38:23.780 But as I was saying with Jonathan, if you're there with two clipboards and you write down one and write down the other,

00:38:27.500 I tell you what, I'll give this tip to people with the Alberta Prosperity Project.

00:38:31.860 Once they get on the real petition, once they get on with this, volunteers should carefully, carefully, should carefully do this.

00:38:40.500 You're going door to door.

00:38:41.560 And that's what it's going to take is people going door to door in the end of it.

00:38:44.300 That's a lot of work.

00:38:46.360 But you're going door to door and you find somebody who is, yes, I am gung-ho.

00:38:51.580 I want independence.

00:38:52.440 Not only that, I'll sign your petition, but I want to see a sign on my lawn when the campaign or the referendum actually begins.

00:38:59.300 And I want to donate to the referendum campaign.

00:39:01.260 Well, you've got to have a separate clipboard and write that stuff down.

00:39:04.200 And you should.

00:39:05.000 Don't lose out on those ones.

00:39:06.660 Also, if you get somebody who comes to their doorstep and says, I'm going to kick you in the privates if I ever see one of you guys on our doorstep again or anything like that,

00:39:14.880 you should probably note that in the other clipboard too so you don't waste time going out there.

00:39:19.140 Because you see, there's two campaigns.

00:39:20.800 Right now, we're just in the petitioning campaign part.

00:39:23.380 Just the part of trying to get the question on a referendum ballot.

00:39:30.260 But then a date has to be set for the referendum.

00:39:35.940 As Jonathan said, politically, I think Premier Smith will want this sooner rather than later because she doesn't want to be dealing with whatever way this goes.

00:39:45.380 When a general election comes, we're looking at, what, two years now?

00:39:51.060 She won't want that to be hanging over onto that.

00:39:54.720 And then the referendum campaign means you have to convince a clear majority of Albertans.

00:39:59.740 And there's another one of those areas of big ambiguity.

00:40:02.200 And this is going to be one of the huge ones.

00:40:03.920 A clear majority of Albertans saying they want to go.

00:40:08.380 And I've been fighting with a few independents minded people about that already.

00:40:13.080 There's not a clear majority yet.

00:40:14.560 Not even close.

00:40:15.880 We're talking about numbers.

00:40:17.680 Three hundred, uh, 30%, 40% at the highest.

00:40:22.600 Realistically, if we don't want it in the courts forever, it's got to be at least 55% voting on that.

00:40:27.880 And, uh, that's a big campaign.

00:40:30.920 That's a big swing in public opinion.

00:40:32.160 But as I said in my opening monologue, Alberta's an apparelist can position. 1.00

00:40:36.640 We've got a surplus is going.

00:40:38.300 We've got a different attitude here.

00:40:39.560 We're doing well.

00:40:40.360 And we've got a country that's swirling the toilet. 0.95

00:40:43.540 So, uh, I got a feeling there could be a big cash grab.

00:40:48.420 That number can turn from that 30 or 40% for independents and get a lot bigger really fast.

00:40:53.340 If the feds make a move on us.

00:40:55.280 A question from one of the commenters saying is, question, do you, uh, do a segment on how to obtain a commissioner of oath certification.

00:41:01.300 Uh, I do think we'll, we'll need many.

00:41:04.360 Um, yeah.

00:41:05.960 Cause as, as, as pointed out with that, when you're petitioning, every person who does that, then they got to bring their petition and swear an affidavit to a commissioner of oaths that they witnessed the signatures is on it.

00:41:14.940 Like this is not a minor affair folks.

00:41:17.120 And the more people who are commissioners of oaths, the better.

00:41:21.300 I don't know the process of my wife, Jane, I don't even know if she still has that status any longer, but she was a commissioner of oaths.

00:41:27.840 She did that for a while when she ran a business center. 1.00

00:41:30.480 Um, and, uh, I'm pretty sure the process is online.

00:41:34.740 I don't know what, everything that goes into it necessarily.

00:41:38.560 Uh, but I mean, some of the discussions of what's going to be needed, a dark group saying APB needs more canvassers than commissioners of oaths.

00:41:44.760 Yeah.

00:41:44.880 Well, you need both.

00:41:46.140 That's the bottom line.

00:41:47.240 It'll save you some grief.

00:41:48.440 If you've got a bunch of people working the doors, you don't want to slow things down.

00:41:51.560 If there's only two people who can witness that, who only have certain periods of time to witness those signatures and sign off.

00:41:56.920 If there's 10 of them, that'll make it easier.

00:41:58.380 But the realism is you need thousands.

00:42:02.220 You do.

00:42:02.940 You need thousands of volunteers getting out there and, uh, getting those signatures and central organization.

00:42:12.240 Uh, they gotta be bringing all of those petition forms into one area.

00:42:15.680 You've got to make sure that somebody hasn't, uh, you gotta think of a sabotage that people are going to do.

00:42:21.560 Somebody could put a whole fake bunch of petitions, things in just to screw with what's being, uh, brought in.

00:42:29.660 They got to watch for that.

00:42:30.960 This is a big, big game guys.

00:42:33.960 And it's, uh, it'll be an interesting one.

00:42:36.940 Nothing else.

00:42:37.800 Another thing on that it's going before, I guess the first hearing before a judge, which I think is optimistic.

00:42:42.860 But that question, I believe it's tomorrow.

00:42:44.500 It's going to be going before the judge.

00:42:46.360 At least the only problem is the judge might sit on it for four months before making a ruling.

00:42:49.240 But, uh, Alan Adam, he's a, uh, former First Nations chief.

00:42:54.780 He was from, uh, Athabasca area.

00:42:56.480 He's got a couple of claims to fame, but he's been having temper tantrums over it.

00:42:59.340 Oh, he's been jumping up and down and saying he's not going to let us.

00:43:01.720 He's saying we don't have the right to vote on Alberta. 1.00

00:43:03.380 He's full of crap. 0.99

00:43:05.200 Uh, Alan Adam, as you hear that in the news reports, you got to remember, he's a rent-a-chief. 1.00

00:43:09.740 He's a rent-a-chief.

00:43:10.720 He got busted already.

00:43:11.740 He got $55,000 from the Tides Foundation to oppose oil sands development.

00:43:19.220 So if I see him suddenly jumping up and down so hard in opposition to the independence referendum,

00:43:25.880 it kind of makes you wonder who's paying his bills.

00:43:28.680 His other claim to fame, you can see, is, uh, him getting roughly, uh, busted and, uh,

00:43:34.760 and impaired in a whole number of things outside of a casino up north.

00:43:37.800 Uh, that video went a little viral some years ago, too.

00:43:40.840 Anyways, Mr. Adam is not exactly a credible individual, but Legacy Media, of course, is

00:43:46.700 reporting on it.

00:43:47.340 Look at this, a chief, and I think he's even a former chief, not even a current one.

00:43:50.580 I could be wrong.

00:43:51.180 He might be back in.

00:43:51.880 I don't know.

00:43:52.900 But he's opposing this.

00:43:53.980 Thus, it can't happen.

00:43:55.420 I've covered that in past videos.

00:43:56.860 I cover that on this show.

00:43:58.160 And the Supreme Court has covered it many, many times when it comes to things like things

00:44:03.420 happening on Crown land, projects, consultation.

00:44:05.860 Despite what some people are trying to spread out there, First Nations, Indigenous people,

00:44:12.320 whatever the term of the week is for them, do not have a veto power over developments.

00:44:16.680 They don't have a veto power over referendums.

00:44:19.600 They don't have a veto power over much of anything outside of their own bloody reserve.

00:44:23.620 And the Supreme Court has ruled on that many times.

00:44:28.140 We have an obligation to consult.

00:44:30.420 And people are blurring that line between consult and consent.

00:44:34.000 Big, big difference between the two. 0.99

00:44:36.060 Some First Nation advocates and lefties and other jerks are saying they need consent. 0.99

00:44:40.380 No, you do not. 0.99

00:44:42.160 But we do need to consult.

00:44:43.440 What better way to consult than holding a referendum?

00:44:45.820 That's exactly what a referendum is.

00:44:47.540 It's consulting.

00:44:49.220 It's consulting everybody.

00:44:50.540 And the Indigenous people will have just as many votes as everybody else.

00:44:54.360 One per person.

00:44:56.320 They don't want to give consent.

00:44:57.380 They vote no.

00:44:58.440 They lose the majority. 1.00

00:44:59.540 Life sucks. 1.00

00:45:00.380 Move on. 0.99

00:45:00.800 You still have your reserve.

00:45:01.720 Your treaties are still intact.

00:45:03.180 But the Federation is done.

00:45:05.180 And the new government around you is now an independent province, or at least working towards it.

00:45:09.400 This has been covered a lot.

00:45:11.420 But legacy media won't cover it.

00:45:13.180 It won't break that down.

00:45:14.080 It won't give you those details.

00:45:15.120 It'll act as if guys like Rent-A-Chief Adam is an authority, and he's not.

00:45:20.960 He's not an authority on much of anything, I assure you.

00:45:23.880 All right.

00:45:24.560 That kind of covers it today, guys.

00:45:26.480 Thank you very much for tuning in.

00:45:29.580 Watch for the pipeline coming on tonight.

00:45:31.200 We're going to have a panel with Nigel and Erica Barutis and some others.

00:45:35.060 And, oh, I held that call almost to the end.

00:45:38.960 Be sure to tune in again next week, guys, and I'll have a whole new bunch of subjects

00:45:43.460 and another guest to talk about.

00:45:45.140 So thanks again.

00:45:45.760 See you then.

00:45:46.480 See you then.

00:45:46.600 See you then.

00:46:13.460 I'll see you then.

00:46:17.500 Bye.

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CORY MORGAN SHOW： Alberta’s success paints a target on its back

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