A native band in BC claims that radar has identified the graves of murdered children. The CBC repeats the story from the band without checking it. The government lowers the flags in apology, and then the band shuts down communications, refuses to allow any further investigation into the alleged graves, despite having taken millions in tax dollars to do that very thing.
00:00:29.280Cory Morgan Show. Good to see you guys already there in the audience. It's live a minute or so late, but that's all right. We've got lots to cover today, lots going on for late August, believe it or not, or at least not a heck of a lot of issues, but a few good big ones. In a little while, I'm going to have Colin Craig on. He's with secondstreet.org. He did a great documentary out in Japan. I know it sounds a little dry, but it's about healthcare models, but it is important. It's a top issue and just showing over and over again that despite what the CBC and the rest of them like to feed you,
00:00:59.260Canada system isn't the best in the world. In fact, it's far, far from it. Let's see you guys out in the comments. Scroll checking in. Kenzie, E-Sharp Paradox-y. I thought that said CBC fixes all. CB fixes all. And Tyler, good to see you all.
00:01:13.220Use that comment. Scroll. Just try to keep things somewhat civil. If we want to fight and get nasty with each other, we've always got X for that. All right. Well, let's get on with the title of the show and what's got me going today.
00:01:24.440I mean, the story, it sounds so familiar, right? A native band in BC claims that radar has identified the graves of murdered children. The CBC repeats the story from the band without checking it.
00:01:33.760The government lowers the flags in apology, and then the band shuts down communications, refuses to allow any further investigation into the alleged graves, despite having taken millions in tax dollars to do that very thing.
00:01:45.360Story sounds familiar because the hoax is proving lucrative and the grifters won't change the narrative that works.
00:01:51.600It's been over four years since a band in Kamloops claimed they've discovered the remains of over 200 murdered children in a field next to a former Indian residential school.
00:02:01.700So the federal government allocated $246 million to search for the bodies of children at former residential school sites.
00:02:08.560And the Kamloops band, well, they took $8 million of those dollars in funds and apparently didn't find a thing.
00:02:13.840I mean, they say they know the location of 200 bodies, but with $8 million to work with, they were incapable of taking a shovel and digging even one of those alleged graves up.
00:02:21.600It's a hoax. I'm going to say it outright, and the band knows it's a hoax.
00:02:25.480If they really believed there were children's bodies interred there, a forensic excavation would have begun within weeks of the discovery of the anomalies.
00:02:31.540The government's willing to give them millions of dollars without oversight, so why should they stop asking for more?
00:02:36.220And they are asking for more, by the way. They want $12 million now.
00:02:39.220The claim made in Sitchel, I'm probably mispronouncing it, B.C. It's just up north of Vancouver. This is the new one.
00:02:44.840They're saying radar identified the graves of 81 children.
00:02:48.820When the Kamloops hoax was announced, it made international headlines.
00:02:51.440This is something that's kind of promising.
00:02:53.280The response to this latest hoax has been more muted. Only a few outlets have given it any coverage.
00:02:57.740This one didn't make any waves really, aside from CBC, though, who dutifully called the radar anomalies unmarked graves.
00:03:03.360After a backlash over that inaccurate and inflammatory reporting, CBC reporter Alana Kelly actually deleted her posting on X,
00:03:10.300where she said graves had been found and locked down her account.
00:03:13.500People are getting sick and tired of being fed this hoax, not to mention paying for it.
00:03:16.860Another grift being carried out by many Indigenous bands is to do GPR surveys over known cemeteries and then acting aghast when indications of graves are found.
00:03:26.160That was done in Grouard, Alberta in 2022. It was reported that a possible mass grave site was there.
00:03:30.940The news faded away, but it became clear that all they did was prove that a cemetery contained bodies.
00:03:35.060How much funding they got to establish this is unknown.
00:03:38.820Most burials on Native reserves historically, and even today, all they mark them with is wooden crosses, which deteriorate after a few years.
00:03:45.120They don't maintain the cemeteries, it's just the way it goes, and they get overgrown.
00:03:48.860It's common for cemeteries to have large sections of unmarked graves.
00:03:52.960It doesn't mean the bodies were surrepturously buried there or there was foul play.
00:03:56.720Makes for great news copy, though, when these sites are discovered anew, aren't they?
00:04:00.600The reluctance to dig these sites proves the motivations of the activists to be fraudulent rather than genuine.
00:04:06.680In Winnipeg, activists lobbied to have tens of millions of dollars dedicated to digging up a local landfill to find the bodies of two murdered women suspected to be in there.
00:04:14.600It was claimed that burial for Indigenous people is sacred, and these bodies must be found and properly interred at any cost.
00:04:21.040Why, then, aren't the alleged bodies at the residential schools considered sacred?
00:04:24.340Why hasn't it become a priority to return these remains to the families?
00:04:28.040This exposes another part of the hoax.
00:04:29.500While it's alleged that hundreds of children were killed and buried at these residential school sites, there aren't any families to be found making the claims that their children disappeared.
00:04:36.960I wonder if at least a few would be kind of demanding to know where their children went.
00:04:40.180The schools also kept meticulous records of the students they needed to in order to be reimbursed by the government.
00:04:46.100There's no records of vanishing children to be found.
00:04:47.880And guys, this was supposed to be happening in the 50s and 60s.
00:04:50.780Where did these alleged children come from?
00:04:52.540At a church site in Manitoba and a hospital site in Edmonton, activists made the air of actually, they believe, their own soup and excavated the alleged children.
00:05:00.820There was not a single body found, despite the oral history claiming they were there.
00:05:04.840Since those failures, Indigenous bands have learned not to excavate.
00:05:07.420They just do the radar surveys and demand more money.
00:05:09.720Speaking of oral history, the claims of the attendees of the Kamloops Residential School that they were forced to go out and dig graves in the night for their murdered classmates as recently as the 60s.
00:05:18.420If this is true, it's possible the perpetrators might still be alive to be prosecuted.
00:05:22.560If the RCMP believed any of this, there'd be excavations.
00:05:25.460Mass murders don't just remain uninvestigated.
00:05:28.440The RCMP knows there's no bodies to be found.
00:07:13.400And she kept referring to Paulyev as a carpet beggar and said the whole thing was a waste of taxpayer dollars, which you could argue maybe it was.
00:07:19.480It was kind of seemed like a sure thing from the get-go.
00:07:23.740I didn't hear Bonnie when Ned and she went out and ran for a seat in Everton to get himself into the legislature when he doesn't live there.
00:08:48.440And we had a little bit of an interesting one.
00:08:49.740There was a BC nurse that actually got suspended for one month and was ordered to pay over $94,000 over public statements on women's rights.
00:08:55.760And it stems apparently from controversy from a 2020 billboard that she helped fund that said,
00:09:00.880I heart JK Rowling, that some said was unprofessional, and they were talking about transphobia and whatnot.
00:09:06.300I think there was someone on Vancouver City Council that had something to say about that.
00:09:11.540And I mean, especially when we're talking to the point of a nurse where it should just be sticking at, you know, anatomy, biology, let's get real.
00:09:17.600Hey, we want to indulge people, make people happy, find everything else.
00:09:20.300But when you're treating somebody, I hate to say it, but women don't have peckers.
00:09:26.780And, you know, if one of these women comes in and they're over 45 and they need to check out, you should probably check the prostate because it's still in there.
00:09:37.280And then let's just stick to the actual health things and we'll deal with the social ones.
00:09:39.960But now to the point where we're actually not even costing jobs, but fining $94,000 for daring to point out biological reality.
00:10:18.780And this I'd like to remind you guys, yes, the reason Dave's in there putting out all those great stories and writing on it is because you've been subscribing.
00:10:58.860You know, there's a bigger discussion going on.
00:11:01.280If you've looked at this last year and a half or so, and why has there been so many of these strikes?
00:11:07.100Well, and we've got Canada Post workers even talking about it again.
00:11:11.100Well, you've got to remember one of the things Trudeau did was brought in legislation with Jagmeet Singh, you know, that disgraced former politician, to illegalize replacement workers in federally regulated fields of work.
00:11:24.180Well, what a beautiful thing that was, right, because that covers interprovincial truckers, so, you know, the Teamsters can ready to really strong arm.
00:11:32.880That covers flight attendants on airlines.
00:11:35.600It covers postal workers, and it covers federal workers, of course, as well.
00:11:39.680So when the federal workers went on strike, you couldn't put anybody in.
00:11:42.320Postal workers, why would such an obsolete service think that they can get away with threatening strikes?
00:13:29.580I just really appreciate, like I said, the work you guys do in showing, breaking through the myth as if, you know,
00:13:37.020there's only two healthcare systems in the world, the Canadian one and the American one,
00:13:40.740and examining other functional systems so that Canadians maybe can start to understand we can reform our system without becoming the big bad Americans.
00:13:49.960And, yeah, of course, and that's been a frustration for so long is that people who benefit from not having health reform because they have a real stranglehold over control and, you know,
00:14:02.080who gets to do what in healthcare, well, they have successfully for years presented this false choice between keeping our system or the American option.
00:14:09.580And, like you said, we've been trying to show the world, or not show the world, show Canadians, rather, that there's all kinds of universal healthcare systems around the world that are performing much better than us.
00:14:21.880So a couple of years ago, we went to Sweden to look at their system.
00:14:25.280Again, universal, everyone's covered in Sweden.
00:14:27.840We showed some of the things they do differently.
00:14:30.620Last year, we went to France, and this year, we went to Japan.
00:14:33.400So it was pretty amazing to go over there.
00:14:35.240Yeah, and that's the key word, really, you know, with what the Canadians are concerned about, which is fair enough, is universal.
00:14:41.520And they just want to be, you know, assured that you're always going to be covered one way or another.
00:14:47.060The system might be different, but you're never going to be turned away from a hospital because you don't have enough money in the bank or a good enough credit rating.
00:15:00.400And the most amazing thing about their system is that there's basically no waiting list.
00:15:04.380It was culture shock, Corey, to go over there and learn more about their system.
00:15:10.400I actually lived there 20 years ago, but as a younger guy, I didn't really need the health care system too much, so I didn't have a lot of exposure to it.
00:15:17.780But to go back now in my 40s and with the specific purpose of learning about their system, it was culture shock to just hear again and again that if you need health care, you're getting in within, you know, maybe if it's emergency, you get in right away.
00:15:32.600Excuse me, if it's not, you're getting in within a week, two weeks, a month max kind of thing.
00:15:38.420Like you're getting in right away compared to in Canada where people often wait over a year for something like knee operation, hip operation, whatever.
00:15:46.400Yeah, and I mean, that's one of the, not one of, it's definitely the biggest critique of the Canadian system is just waiting for access, trying to get in.
00:15:56.180I mean, it's fine if you're covered, but the lost productivity, the pain and suffering of somebody waiting, or of course the worst possible outcome, somebody actually passes away or perishes waiting for care.
00:16:12.180One doctor at a medical university hospital in Tokyo, we were talking away, we had an interpreter and everything.
00:16:20.440I mean, he knew English, not incredibly well, I don't think, but we were talking with him and then someone would translate it for him.
00:16:27.860And then once I started to talk about how patients had to wait a year often in Canada for things like a knee or hip operation, he switched into English.
00:16:48.140The suffering that we're seeing in this country is not normal.
00:16:50.460And, you know, like I said, if we copy things like what Japan does and other universal countries, well, then we can get our wait times down so that they're more in line with other developed countries.
00:17:02.760So, you know, that's what we did is we went over there to really kind of learn more about the system, show Canadians that, you know, are the constant suffering that people are enduring in this country.
00:18:03.980So the government tightly restricts the supply of health care for the public system.
00:18:08.680And there's also very tight restrictions around, you know, delivering care outside of the public system.
00:18:14.520So, you know, here in Alberta, as an example, if you want to pay for, you know, some kind of significant operation in Calgary as a Calgarian, there are a lot of roadblocks that make it very difficult to do that.
00:18:28.820So this is why Calgarians often fly to another province.
00:18:32.380And many other provinces do the same thing.
00:18:34.400So you'll see Vancouverites flying to Calgary, Calgarians flying to Vancouver.
00:18:38.360You have these ridiculous restrictions.
00:18:43.880What they do is the government there determines how much they're going to pay for different procedures.
00:18:49.920And then they basically tell anyone who's in the health care market or wants to enter the health care market.
00:18:55.880If you want to provide these procedures, here's how much you're going to get from the government.
00:18:59.760And then it doesn't matter if you've got, say, a different level of government wants to open up a clinic or maybe it's a nonprofit wants to open up a hospital or a private company wants to open up, you know, something like a clinic or hospital or whatever.
00:19:14.820They know how much they're going to get from the government when they help out a patient.
00:19:19.900And so it's a very, very different approach.
00:19:22.160They welcome people to enter their market.
00:19:24.200They actually have so much health care that they're trying to grow their medical tourism sector.
00:19:29.060They're trying to get patients to come over from China, South Korea and Canada, too.
00:19:48.100We've done the opposite of the results for themselves.
00:19:50.920And that should calm some of the fears then.
00:19:52.520I mean, if they're at actually a point of a surplus of health care ability, one of the things that critics for private provision of care say is that, well, the private clinics will open up and they'll prioritize all the people who want to pay above and beyond.
00:20:03.640And the people in the public system will end up being left behind anyways.
00:20:06.560And, you know, back to we all must be equal and blah, blah, blah.
00:20:09.240But, I mean, if we're all getting timely treatment, it doesn't matter anymore.
00:20:42.620But it's really, I think, the biggest thing we need to do is change this mentality from, like I say, the government strictly controlling who can provide health care to taking the opposite approach.
00:21:06.840Well, and it's funny because, you know, one of the things people constantly talk about or worry about is we lose our medical professionals.
00:21:14.080We're having difficulty retaining them and keeping them here.
00:21:16.580Yet at the same time, they're afraid of changing the system that's been pushing these professionals out.
00:21:21.500I mean, you guys help chip through some of the, I guess, that the cognitive dissonance people have when it comes to that.
00:21:29.220Like, the system is failing in front of your own eyes.
00:21:31.760You're still terrified to even tweak it, much less to give it substantial changes.
00:21:35.280So you guys did a documentary, though, right?
00:21:37.840You did a production so people can watch and see at length what the differences are.
00:22:06.800I mean, when it comes to labor issues, those can be navigated.
00:22:11.800And, you know, personally, I don't have $100,000 laying around if I needed heart surgery or whatever.
00:22:16.780I want the public system to be strong, but it's not strong right now.
00:22:19.820So we have to be looking at reform, and we can make sure that we have the staff and the public system.
00:22:25.140And the reality right now is that a lot of health care professionals are just leaving Canada.
00:22:30.840They're looking at these different options, largely just working for the government, some government hospital here or there, and they're saying, I don't want to work there.
00:23:37.200Like, no one's, you know, from what we could tell, no one's going bankrupt by the Japanese system.
00:23:43.160If you need something like a heart operation, they have protections in place that if you're a middle-income Japanese person, the most you would pay in a month would be around $800.
00:23:53.220So, if you think about, I mean, $800, a lot of us don't have that money to throw around casually, but if you think about it for something like a heart operation, you know, that's when the cost is probably upwards of $80,000, $90,000, $100,000.
00:24:11.560So, they do have safeguards in place to keep the costs low.
00:24:14.160So, if you need something less significant, a professor from Kyoto that we talked to estimated it would be about 3,000 yen to visit your family doctor, you know, if you've got a bad cough or something like that.
00:24:25.620So, that works out to around $28 Canadian.
00:24:43.820And the other thing that I think is important to talk about too, Corey, is just that the Japanese people are healthier to begin with.
00:24:49.600And when you live a healthy life, you end up with fewer health problems.
00:24:54.240And that's where we as a nation, I think, are weaker and we have more room for improvements for Canadians to, you know, live healthier lives in the first place.
00:25:03.440Then we put less stress on the health care system.
00:25:06.280So, you know, we talk a little bit about that in the documentary as well.
00:25:11.340So, with these reforms, though, ideas like this, would these involve actually having to reform the Canada Health Act or provinces able to implement some of these without that?
00:25:20.940Like, that's one of the problems Canada's had is the provinces are tasked with delivering the health care, but the federal government tells them how they must do it.
00:26:28.660I mean, we're seeing it happen here in Alberta.
00:26:30.380I mean, we'll see in the near future sort of how the government rolls this out as the details become clear.
00:26:37.580But it looks like they're moving in that direction so that they're switching the system so that the focus, stay with me here, so that the focus now becomes all about the patient, which is where it should have been in the first place.
00:26:50.520Too often in Canada, the focus is about ideology.
00:27:11.280Like I say, it looks like Alberta is moving in that direction towards kind of what they do in Japan.
00:27:16.440Quebec has actually been doing that more and more.
00:27:19.100And they've had some very good success there.
00:27:21.000Yeah, I appreciate the way you guys have been approaching it and the Montreal Economic Institute, whereas people have been actually trying to pressure the politicians who will eventually have to be the ones to help implement the changes.
00:27:32.740But I think what you've got to do is change the hearts and minds of the public.
00:27:37.540If the public is asking for these reforms, the politicians will feel emboldened to do so.
00:27:44.080And, you know, you've been doing more of a public education sort of role that way.
00:27:48.240So, I mean, I really appreciate that and kind of laying it out in late terms so people can understand you're not looking to threaten healthcare.
00:27:58.140I mean, we've spent tens of thousands of dollars, maybe even more, trying to show the public how we can improve our universal public system.
00:28:06.820We're trying to improve the thing and also give patients more choice to, like, show how that can help and other things that can ultimately improve care for patients in the public system.
00:28:16.840But spending decades continuing to do what we've done for the last 30 years, which is throw money at the system and hope something works.
00:29:05.080When it comes to choice, keeping the public system, allowing people to pay privately, locally in their own city, province, whatever.
00:29:11.960Last poll we did found 61% believe that.
00:29:15.640And that would help because every time someone pays privately, well, then that's one less patient that the public system has to provide care for.
00:29:24.420So, you know, like I say, over 60% there support that.
00:29:28.640So I think the public is largely there.
00:29:30.540It's now a matter of politicians catching up because a lot of them, I think, are still stuck living in, you know, the late 90s, early 2000s,
00:29:37.700where health reform was something that you couldn't really talk about as a politician because the public didn't fully understand sort of the system,
00:29:45.640the problems, and sort of how we can change things by copying policies from Europe, Japan, Australia, wherever,
00:29:52.520other developed nations that have universal systems.
00:29:54.880So, you know, I think what we need more than anything is for the political class to catch up and understand just how bad the crisis is
00:30:06.600Well, it's hopefully the public speaks up then.
00:30:08.580I mean, that's who the political class should be listening to.
00:30:11.940And as you guys help engage them, hopefully, you know, we want to make that lead to some positive changes.
00:30:16.380So before I let you go, you know, just one more time, where can people find your recent documentary and all the rest of the work you guys have been doing?
00:30:22.000And I love the work you guys have out there.
00:31:52.560There were stretchers with people in very rough condition.
00:31:56.320We're not talking about somebody who needs a couple stitches or a sprained ankle.
00:31:59.640Very, very ill people were waiting in a hallway with a, sometimes alone, sometimes with a loved one, at least sitting with them to try and keep them company.
00:32:20.780You know, there's part of the problem.
00:32:22.380If you've been fortunate enough to be healthy and your friends and family have been healthy, so you haven't gone in and seen firsthand just how badly it's failing on the front line there, never mind the wait to get a specialist, then maybe you believe the CBC line that we have the best health care system in the world.
00:32:44.120And, you know, with the emergency service, the times like that when it's really acute, I mean, I know just from my St. John ambulance repeated constant courses when I worked in the oil field, everything in a traumatic injury or, you know, a medical situation, time is everything.
00:33:04.620The faster you can get in to professional help in a facility that can treat you, the better your chances of having a recovery or, you know, surviving.
00:33:13.980And if you've got people waiting around literally on hallways and miserable, your survival rate is not that high.
00:33:23.540We've allowed this polarized conversation to happen, saying it's just the American system or just the Canadian.
00:33:29.580And, you know, it's the damned unions, and I'll say it outright, it's the bloody unions sucking us dry, life-sucking parasites, preserving this system, which is causing so much death and suffering.
00:33:41.780We're spending as much per capita or more than most countries, and our outcomes suck.
00:33:46.620But we've got the unions, oh, no, it's good, it's fine, it just needs more money.
00:34:24.860I really had some good timing with where I'd be surveying.
00:34:27.300But there was a billboard when you drive into town, actually two of them, and they were both for private hospitals.
00:34:31.600And one had a digital sign on it so that it would change.
00:34:35.880And it told the estimated wait times for emergency service.
00:34:38.420They're actually trying to say, come to our place, we'll treat you faster.
00:34:41.960And then I never saw it higher than seven or eight minutes.
00:34:46.140As a CB fixes all, it says, your mother sat in the waiting room for six hours to see a doctor for the trouble she was having.
00:34:51.500And yeah, there was a recent poll I saw talking about, I wish I could remember the number offhand, but a startling number of people who went to the hospital and then finally just left because they got tired of waiting.
00:35:02.000Now, obviously, these were people who didn't have, you know, an amputated arm or bleeding out or something, but they had a condition.
00:35:07.780Some of the dangerous ones, the scary ones, the ones we're hearing about deaths on things like appendicitis, presenting as sickness, presenting as a pain, you know, in the stomach.
00:37:17.800Let's say it's like 60% of your hospital procedures have to be in the public system, have to be under the umbrella of the universal system.
00:37:25.440Beyond that, though, you can start using those rooms, those doctors, those nurses, those laundry workers for extra stuff.
00:37:32.940And yes, somebody rich might get treated a week ahead of you.
00:37:40.180But they're paying for you to get treated in two weeks for something that might have taken two months prior.
00:39:31.860And if they don't even have that means, well, yeah, then they're hooped.
00:39:34.500And they just got to cross their fingers and hope that, you know, whatever you have doesn't get you before you can get the treatment on it.
00:42:02.300If you're working in the oil field or construction, all they do is come up with more paper, more crap, more garbage to actually reduce the amount that productive professionals get done.
00:42:12.100And those professionals are the ones keeping you healthy or trying to.
00:42:18.980Dark Robe saying, charting is done from a progression of illness standpoint and liability.
00:42:36.500We don't need them for half an hour per patient every 20 minutes.
00:42:40.040It just, they're in there all the time.
00:42:42.360Don't try to tell me when I got AI that I can type in a sentence and get a, an essay.
00:42:47.540You know, with this modern technology that we have to have our nurses spending that much time in front of a computer screen instead of actually working with the patients.