Western Standard - CORY MORGAN SHOW： Blocking independence referendums could have terrible consequences

00:00:00.000 good day welcome to the cory morgan show as we

00:00:30.000 make our way through spring it's starting to stay it's one thing i hate those clock changes they

00:00:34.340 annoy the crap out of me i think they're stupid in principle in general but i gotta admit it's

00:00:38.600 nice when you finish supper and it's still light outside it kind of shows me that we're getting

00:00:42.460 out of the bloody winter darkness all the same that discussion's still going on bc's stabilizing

00:00:47.860 there and i know some people oh it's a big hill to die on we gotta go this way or go that way i

00:00:52.200 don't care either way just pick one and stay with it i'm lazy i don't want to change my clock twice

00:00:57.200 a year. It's a pain in the butt. Well, actually, I don't even have to change it. Your phone and

00:01:00.800 everything does it all automatically for you and everything, but I don't want to change

00:01:03.400 my sleeping patterns twice a year. Leave me alone. By the way, lots of other stuff to cover besides

00:01:08.800 clock changes, all sorts of stuff in the news from Canada's wartime stance to CBC personalities

00:01:16.060 turning and ripping back on the CBC and, well, I don't know where else to go with everything else.

00:01:22.360 My guest is going to be a fellow named Jerry Amarnick. He's an author and journalist and he's written things talking about Canada's real truth tellers, pushing back and fighting against historical revisionism because that is happening. They're erasing our history or trying to and ruining Canadian, well, just ruining the people who built the nation for where it is. Is it any wonder that an independence movement's getting rolling?

00:01:49.760 So let's talk about independence movements getting rolling

00:01:52.520 and some of the hazards going on.

00:01:55.360 So as this independence movement continues to grow

00:01:57.300 and organize across Western Canada,

00:01:59.160 the most irresponsible and unprincipled thing

00:02:01.380 opponents of the movement could possibly do

00:02:03.480 is block the legal mechanism of separation

00:02:05.980 provided by the Clarity Act.

00:02:07.340 Yeah, that's exactly what they're trying to do.

00:02:09.700 I mean, never while Quebec prepared to hold independence referenda

00:02:12.620 were Quebecers told they weren't allowed to have the vote.

00:02:15.320 There are many opponents to Quebec's independence movement, of course,

00:02:17.600 but none of any prominence dared to tell them they didn't even have the right to hold a referendum.

00:02:22.620 In the case of Alberta, though, opponents to independence are telling Albertans,

00:02:25.220 you aren't allowed to leave. In fact, you aren't even allowed to hold the question.

00:02:29.100 Is it any wonder the analogy of an abused spouse is often used when describing Alberta's relationship with the Federation?

00:02:35.780 You're not allowed to leave.

00:02:37.480 Let's get right to the point.

00:02:39.020 The secession of a province from the Federation in Canada is perfectly legal.

00:02:43.720 The Clarity Act lays out the pathway to get there.

00:02:45.900 People can certainly question whether or not Alberta be able to pass all the hurdles provided within the Act,

00:02:50.440 and it's going to be a tough job to make it through all those hoops and requirements.

00:02:53.900 To say a province hasn't the right to pursue the steps laid out in the Act, though, is an outright lie,

00:02:58.320 and it only heightens division and anger.

00:03:01.200 Alberta NDP leader Nahed Nenshi has partnered with Indigenous chiefs in Alberta to oppose the process of independence.

00:03:06.480 His party has been slipping in the polls, and he needs to latch on to something to try and gain relevance.

00:03:11.200 And those chiefs are seeking a court injunction to block the democratic exercise

00:03:15.120 of gathering signatures to hold a democratic referendum on independence.

00:03:19.460 To block that provincial right would be a clear violation of the Clarity Act.

00:03:23.040 We should be confident that a judge will realize that and toss out the application from the chiefs,

00:03:27.400 but we've seen enough terrible rulings from judges already know we can't rely on common sense from the bench.

00:03:32.180 It's interesting how opponents to independence decry the movement being as one supported by a tiny minority,

00:03:37.100 yet they're terrified at the prospect of putting it to a general vote.

00:03:39.800 I mean, wouldn't they want to put this to bed in a referendum so we can stop talking about it?

00:03:43.820 Look, polling is all over, but it indicates we're looking at around 30% of the province is dedicated

00:03:47.780 to pursuing Alberta's independence. That's a long way from a referendum win, but momentum is on the

00:03:51.960 side of the independence movement, and a lot can change over eight months. When one in three

00:03:56.420 Albertans have given up in the Federation, Federalists would be better served to listen

00:04:00.060 to their grievances rather than try to steal the democratic means of expression from them.

00:04:03.860 To cork the bottle and ban independence referendums would be corking the bottle not

00:04:07.200 just in Alberta, but in Quebec. And while the vast majority of independent supporters would

00:04:11.260 never participate in or condone extreme acts, when we're looking at millions of people supporting

00:04:15.600 this, it's not inconceivable that an unhinged soul or two might be inspired to do something

00:04:19.980 dangerous. Those who might not remember, between 1963 and 1970, the FLQ conducted nearly 200

00:04:26.020 bombings and multiple kidnappings responsible for the deaths of six to nine people. During those

00:04:31.480 years, there was no framework or mechanism for Quebec to become independent, and it created

00:04:34.920 dangerous extremists. Much of what ended the terrorism being committed in Quebec was the

00:04:39.860 presentation of a democratic outlet for their independence movement. In 1968, the Parti Quebecois

00:04:45.180 was formed, René Lévesque was leading, and started the process of turning the independence movement

00:04:48.520 there into a political one rather than a revolutionary violent one. Quebecers aren't

00:04:52.960 violent by nature, and they embraced being able to form independence parties and hold referenda on

00:04:57.020 the issue. Even when losing the referenda, the FLQ didn't reappear because people knew there was

00:05:01.840 still a path to independence, and they accepted that the province wasn't ready for it. With one

00:05:07.500 in three people in Alberta currently supporting Alberta independence, one in Fort Quebec,

00:05:10.980 it's no insignificant number of people who are so dejected with the federation they want to leave

00:05:14.880 it. Banning the possibility of holding a referendum won't reduce independence support,

00:05:19.120 even if it makes federalists feel a little better about themselves. So right from the

00:05:22.520 Clarity Act itself, whereas the government of any province of Canada is entitled to consult

00:05:26.920 its population by referendum on any issue and is entitled to formulate the wording of its

00:05:32.420 referendum question. That's right out of the Clarity Act, guys. Are opponents of independence

00:05:36.520 prepared to repeal that act? There's only going to be one way to resolve the budding independent

00:05:40.400 movements in multiple provinces across the country now. Hold referendums, get the questions settled

00:05:45.620 peacefully and democratically. Fight against the concept, guys, not the means, where things could

00:05:51.320 go badly for everybody. All right, well, this one's got me starting to rant off today,

00:05:56.100 and i'm in the news interview what else is going on dave i'm outraged cory outrage i tell you what

00:06:00.180 i do to piss you off this time no not you oh okay the uh as you know i'm british and the uh powers

00:06:05.860 that be in england have decided they're going to take winston churchill off the five pound note

00:06:10.500 that yeah that floored me when you said that in that meeting earlier today like i mean this is

00:06:14.500 one of the greatest britons ever wartime hero we'd all be speaking german if it wasn't for him

00:06:20.580 And they decided to erase history and take them off.

00:06:24.080 And you know what they're putting on?

00:06:26.060 A hedgehog.

00:06:26.880 A hedgehog.

00:06:27.820 A hedgehog.

00:06:28.660 And the world's most famous hedgehog isn't even from England.

00:06:31.280 No.

00:06:32.320 I mean, it's, I don't get it.

00:06:35.340 And it's not just England.

00:06:36.840 It's Canada too.

00:06:38.260 The erasure of our history.

00:06:39.780 Well, it ties in actually with the guests I'll be having on later,

00:06:42.700 where they're going after Sir John A. MacDonald and Dundas

00:06:44.980 and just pretty much every other figure.

00:06:46.600 They're wiping it out.

00:06:48.140 It is nuts.

00:06:49.400 No.

00:06:49.480 I mean, Churchill in England, I mean, they're just.

00:06:52.380 They're one and the same.

00:06:54.280 Aside from the royal family, if you asked anybody around the world to name a historical famous, you know, Englishman, it would be Winston Churchill.

00:07:01.640 Not a hedgehog.

00:07:03.340 No.

00:07:04.180 No.

00:07:04.860 All right.

00:07:05.580 Well, I'm outraged.

00:07:06.400 I'm going to write to the king.

00:07:07.460 Oh, well, I'm sure he's all ears.

00:07:10.040 I'm sure he is.

00:07:11.720 Lots going on in the news today, Corey, as you hinted.

00:07:14.280 that we've got uh uh you were saying earlier you didn't see it but the uh the testimony yesterday

00:07:19.800 by former cb home cbc host uh travis donraj was uh was unbelievable uh just carved everybody

00:07:27.260 toxic personality uh made david cochran and rosie barton look like idiots uh david cochran called

00:07:34.920 uh tamara leach trailer trash and all that sort of stuff and he said there's this there's this

00:07:41.520 list of 45 people that are banned from being interviewed on the CBC, then they're

00:07:47.680 mainly like prominent conservatives, right?

00:07:50.140 So for CBC to say that they're fair and balanced is, is, is a lie because they're not.

00:07:55.760 Well, it's kind of exposing what we all knew all the time.

00:07:58.140 Exactly.

00:07:58.440 It's just shining the light on it.

00:08:00.460 You know, everybody kind of knew.

00:08:02.300 Yeah.

00:08:03.180 Now it's out in the public and, uh, uh, they were refusing to release the list publicly.

00:08:08.880 Well, of course they are.

00:08:09.940 Are they denying there is a list?

00:08:11.520 don't think they're denying there is and travis said he would give it to the uh uh the mp committee

00:08:19.040 i bet your honor i hope so it would be an honor uh your favorite story is back in the news the

00:08:25.280 kamloops uh 215 children burial hoax uh alberta senator scott tannis came out and said that

00:08:34.080 canadians need solid proof we need to know definitively whether their body's there and

00:08:39.600 And he's basically saying, get digging.

00:08:41.840 And, uh, you know, he says, how can you, how can you fight

00:08:46.660 residential school denialism when you're saying all this stuff,

00:08:49.920 but there's no proof out there.

00:08:51.220 So I think in my last column, I talked about that, you know,

00:08:55.140 I'm there, there are a lot of horrible things that I'm sure happened,

00:08:57.700 but now everybody's gonna be looking at, well, is that more BS

00:09:00.380 like the Kamloops hoax, or is this real?

00:09:02.180 I mean, until you seek the truth in one, people are gonna have

00:09:04.760 trouble believing the other.

00:09:06.000 Exactly.

00:09:06.580 So there's been some controversy down in Ottawa last week or so on the parliamentary budget officer.

00:09:13.020 It used to be a guy called Jason Jakes, and the Liberals let his term expire.

00:09:19.960 I think, obviously, because he had criticized them heavily and said their budgeting was unsustainable.

00:09:26.840 So they appointed another woman to take over.

00:09:30.440 But a Commons committee yesterday voted five to four to demand Jakes' return.

00:09:35.520 so liberals obviously voted against it but the uh the opposition held the uh the majority on

00:09:41.200 that committee so we'll see if the government listens to them i kind of doubt it uh we've got

00:09:46.000 a good video on a child's birthday party in a new westminster trampoline park uh the family brought

00:09:52.720 in the cake from the outside and the business doesn't allow outside cakes and it degenerated

00:09:59.200 into a staff member throwing a cake the cake on the floor and people getting punched in the face

00:10:05.280 and RCMP being called, and I'm sure somewhere over in the corner was a kid crying.

00:10:10.700 Well, it's a birthday every child is going to remember.

00:10:13.880 And, you know, this is the sort of thing that keeps therapists in business.

00:10:16.960 Exactly.

00:10:17.680 Exactly.

00:10:18.520 That's why Chuck E. Cheese kind of went out of business, I think.

00:10:21.540 And big energy news in the States.

00:10:24.660 You know, we can't even build a pipeline.

00:10:26.640 Trump has announced a $300 billion refinery to be built in Texas,

00:10:32.720 paid for by an Indian oil company.

00:10:36.540 So they're going to be expanding hugely

00:10:38.380 while we can't even get our exports to Tidewater.

00:10:42.540 Well, you know, I looked at that.

00:10:44.060 I could see that.

00:10:44.920 I mean, that's the first I saw.

00:10:45.820 That was in the Western Standard today.

00:10:48.540 But Keystone, I could see the demand

00:10:51.880 really coming back for Keystone.

00:10:53.200 They're going to need a lot of feedstock.

00:10:54.420 I know people are saying,

00:10:55.160 oh, that'll be Venezuela feeding that.

00:10:56.440 Well, that's a little ways to go.

00:10:57.580 I mean, Keystone's mostly built.

00:10:58.780 That thing just needs to be finished up.

00:11:00.860 We can't get one to the West Coast.

00:11:02.040 might as well send it down to Texas. Exactly. I agree. We agree on something finally.

00:11:08.040 That and yeah, I won't go into those details on hedgehogs. No. All right. Well, I'll let you back

00:11:14.280 to the newsroom. We'll see you at the pipeline in a little while. We're getting some more issues

00:11:18.040 right on. Well, thanks, Dave. Thank you. See you in a while. So yeah, it's lots on the go from hedgehogs

00:11:23.400 to pipelines to war to CBC committees. And the reason we can do all that, guys,

00:11:28.920 so we're gonna nag us we're gonna rattle the cup and look for subscribers but it's because of you

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00:11:51.480 news copy uh let's see some of the comments uh chris mclaughlin saying uh so the democracy of

00:11:56.840 they may need to heed the greed of a few First Nations chiefs. Yeah, I'll go on about Nenshi and

00:12:00.520 his little thing there in a little bit. Another person saying the bardic entropy saying these

00:12:06.520 are meant for a nonviolent way of leaving. People really don't know or understand the history of

00:12:09.840 mankind. There are only so many ways to separate. That's it. And Canada is very unique. Very few

00:12:16.700 countries in the world do have an ability built in where we can separate, you know, with a democratic

00:12:23.540 referendum that's why so many independence movements unfortunately do turn to violence do

00:12:28.280 turn to street riots do turn to uh ugliness and we've got the means but here we've got people

00:12:35.900 saying we shouldn't even allow Alberta to discuss it that's problematic um so let's see towards the

00:12:43.000 end of the show by the way if you get we're trying different things I did manage to get a

00:12:46.020 fellow to call in if you're looking to call in and talk about things uh the number will be down

00:12:49.800 the bottom of the screen there you can call in 866-479-9378 and we can chatter about some of the

00:12:55.960 other issues going on throughout the show i like that live ability to go back and forth so it's not

00:13:00.520 just my voice going all the time or the guests who'll be on in a little while i want to talk a

00:13:06.200 bit about media though this this is for those who didn't see it so over the weekend there was uh

00:13:11.960 some demonstrations in new york outside of uh uh mayor uh men mandami's house with some guys

00:13:20.600 i guess some pretty radical right-wing types whatever but there were counter protesters

00:13:26.120 and from those counter protesters two young guys suddenly came in and threw bombs into the works

00:13:31.320 and ran for it a very very dangerous it was determined by the police these were real bombs

00:13:35.480 these these had they detonated which they thankfully didn't they could have and probably

00:13:40.360 would have killed and maimed a number of people very dangerous very frightening very problematic

00:13:47.400 so how though does the media respond to this here's a cnn headline this is just i i really

00:13:54.520 had to double check this was true this is one of the few areas where cnn actually deleted it though

00:13:58.200 so they realized how far they'd gone this is what it says by by its text two pennsylvania teenagers

00:14:03.560 crossed into new york city on saturday morning for what could have been a normal day enjoying

00:14:07.160 the city during abnormally warm weather. But in less than an hour, their lives would drastically

00:14:11.820 change as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs during an anti-Muslim protest

00:14:16.280 outside of Mayor Zorham M. Dami's house. What? Yeah, they made it sound like, oh, well,

00:14:21.300 there were just a couple of young fellas out for a picnic in Central Park coming in from

00:14:24.560 Pennsylvania, and I don't know, that tripped upon a couple of homemade bombs and just out of the

00:14:28.460 blue decided to throw it into a crowd. Where on earth do you guys come from with this? This is

00:14:34.620 insane this was a attempted terrorist act that thankfully failed and nobody was hurt but for

00:14:42.560 you guys to bend over backwards so hard oh yeah the other part they forgot to mention they yelled

00:14:46.760 alahu akbar as they threw the bombs that's something they certainly don't want to talk about

00:14:51.020 either but we should talk about these things because there's a problem all right so that's

00:14:56.500 one form of contemporary revisionism but let's talk about the problem of historical revisionism

00:15:01.200 with our guest. I've been looking forward to Jerry

00:15:03.880 Maronick, who is a novelist and journalist, and he put a great article together in C2C

00:15:09.920 on Canada's real truth tellers and people pushing back against some of the revisionism that's going

00:15:15.520 on out there, really undercutting, in my view, the national unity and national pride. So let's

00:15:20.720 bring Jerry in and have a conversation. Oh, looks like he popped out of the lobby there. Okay,

00:15:26.960 well, he's having a little technical issue. He'll be in shortly. So I'll get a little more

00:15:29.920 background on him, though. You might remember a guest I had a while on a while ago, last year

00:15:36.840 at some point. His name is Patrice Dutille. He wrote a book on Sir John A. Macdonald and just

00:15:43.260 breaking down the apocalyptic year of 1885. It was just one year of Sir John A. Macdonald's period

00:15:48.580 and a very historical one. But just giving a good historical account, and apparently that

00:15:54.680 is controversial. So let's try again, bring Jerry in and see if he can speak a little more.

00:15:58.460 Oh, there we've got you. Thank you. Hi, Corey. Hi, how are you today? Good. Thank you. As I was saying, I really appreciated your article in C2C and listing out and just seeing that we have actually a number of people, as you call them, the real truth tellers. There's people effectively pushing back and fighting back against this trend of historical revisionism in Canada.

00:16:23.380 it? Yeah, well, it's been a plague, I think, certainly in the last number of years. It's

00:16:30.300 been actually going on for quite a while, but I think it went into overdrive in the last number

00:16:34.140 of years. And I mean, I'm a novelist. I write historical novels and I'm also a journalist. I

00:16:41.000 write nonfiction books as well. And everything I write always has a lot to do with history. I'm

00:16:46.120 kind of a history junkie. And I was getting quite upset with the canceling of major historical

00:16:51.000 figures in Canada. And my agent, my literary agent suggested, I guess about three years ago,

00:16:57.180 I write a book about history and it kind of sat on the back burner. And then eventually I wrote it

00:17:01.200 and it came out recently. It's called Sleepwalking. And it's basically about historical revisionism

00:17:07.960 in Canada and all the fallout that's been associated with it. And I get into all kinds

00:17:15.020 of things. If you've been into the book, the middle part of the book, though, is the real

00:17:19.460 me of it as I get into historical figures who have been canceled and vilified, starting with

00:17:24.800 John A. MacDonald. In the Toronto area, I get into Henry Dundas, Egerton Ryerson, who had a

00:17:31.000 university named after him. He's been scandalized. I talk about Edward Cornwallis, the founder of

00:17:36.760 Halifax in Nova Scotia. He got canceled and Judge Matthew Begbie in British Columbia, who was

00:17:43.140 largely responsible for bringing B.C. into confederation. These are all major historical

00:17:48.480 figures who have been cancelled. And that's what the book is about. And the article that you cite

00:17:53.540 there about the real truth tellers are people I have encountered who are trying to set the record

00:17:59.200 straight on all these figures. Yeah, and I noticed one of the first ones was Patrice Dutille, who I

00:18:05.100 had on my show last year when he released his book on Sir John A. Macdonald. And it was fantastic

00:18:09.860 because he wasn't trying to canonize Sir John A. Macdonald. He documented him as an imperfect

00:18:15.940 person, but also didn't try to turn him into a monster as revisionists do, you know, as if he

00:18:22.720 was some sort of person who thrived on oppressing Indigenous people or tried to starve them.

00:18:28.120 He wrote the real truth, at least, of how Sir John A. MacDonald was with that historical lens

00:18:32.400 on it. And we really need more of that sort of thing. But we won't see the CBC and others

00:18:36.960 promoting Mr. DeTill's book. Instead, they're more focused on cancelling that sort of effort.

00:18:43.160 Well, but, you know, it's not just the CBC.

00:18:45.980 I always see mainstream media in general has been guilty and complicit in going along with revisionist history for a number of historical figures.

00:18:55.800 So, you know, I blame the media.

00:18:58.000 I think they've been largely irresponsible.

00:18:59.760 They pick up on something and say it's true when, in fact, it isn't.

00:19:03.960 And it goes and it's said over and over and over again.

00:19:07.600 But, you know, the media, by and large, has not done its due diligence.

00:19:11.040 So I'm not impressed with the efforts. It goes beyond the CBC. Major TV networks have scandalized these characters I've written about, and they haven't done their homework. My book is about facts. I go into the historical record of all these people, and I look at facts, as Patrice did in his book.

00:19:30.400 And he, incidentally, is one of the speakers who spoke at my book launch.

00:19:35.060 So that's what it's about.

00:19:37.440 We have facts on one side, and we have those who are perpetuating an ideology on the other side.

00:19:43.880 Yeah, and I like your title, Sleep Woking, and the cover of your book is great.

00:19:47.340 You know, it just shows a couple of stickman figures walking across kind of blindly, not paying attention.

00:19:52.240 It brings that woke aspect, you know, which is more of a modern term.

00:19:55.560 But part of an issue I think we have happening all over the place is people are trying to measure historical figures under the modern lens of what's considered ethically responsible or acceptable today.

00:20:08.920 And it's really an irresponsible way to look at that.

00:20:11.700 I mean, you know, things were completely different a couple hundred years ago.

00:20:15.460 Well, absolutely.

00:20:16.180 I mean, that concept, that phenomenon is called presentism, where you look at the past through the lens of the present.

00:20:22.800 And the first part of my book, I get into that subject in a big way. You can't do that.

00:20:27.880 You can't look at 100 years ago through the lens of today, nevermind 200, 300, 400 years ago. It's

00:20:33.620 a different world, different values and different standards. So I talk about that and use some

00:20:39.400 analogies to make that point. But even aside from that, with the revisionists, I mean, they are

00:20:45.820 falsifying the historical record of all these people, calling falsehoods about them and about

00:20:51.720 our history. And that's where my book really gets into the meat grinder, trying to set the

00:20:57.360 record straight about these people, as does the article that was in C2C. These are the people

00:21:02.880 that are trying to set the record straight. Yeah, well, and it's causing very real damage to us

00:21:09.580 socially, culturally. We see protests where the founder of the country, Sir John A. MacDonald,

00:21:15.540 was torn down the statue of.

00:21:18.460 And the fear it's put into politicians

00:21:22.940 because even in Ontario,

00:21:24.340 it took years before they had the courage

00:21:26.240 to take a box that they'd built

00:21:28.000 around the statue down.

00:21:30.340 They were afraid of protests.

00:21:32.380 I mean, when our premiers

00:21:33.500 won't even stand up for things,

00:21:35.200 then we're in some deep trouble.

00:21:37.700 Well, I mean, I said the media is complicit.

00:21:40.480 I mean, government officials

00:21:41.700 virtually at all levels are also complicit

00:21:44.160 because they lack the guts to do anything about. And this is true with all these figures I've

00:21:50.540 cited. And by the way, in doing my book, I reached a few conclusions. One of them is that young

00:21:57.000 people don't know history in this country. And I don't blame them. I really blame the schools for

00:22:02.100 not teaching history. Another conclusion is that much of what is said to be indigenous history

00:22:08.640 is in fact, revisionist history. There's two more I want to mention to you. The third one is that

00:22:16.760 the alternative or woke version of history is all based on misinformation, and comes with an

00:22:24.280 ideology and an agenda. And the agenda basically is to undermine the country and all that it stands

00:22:29.720 for. And the last one, which might be the most surprising, the biggest perpetrator, the biggest

00:22:34.780 advocate of revisionist history in Canada is our own federal government. And unfortunately that

00:22:41.500 isn't terribly surprising at least considering the last administration perhaps Mr Carney won't

00:22:45.820 be as is obsessed with I guess you know that woke vision of a future we'll see as time unfolds.

00:22:51.980 But something else you brought up which is I'm curious about I mean a lot of the revisionism

00:22:56.860 we see is is taking historical figures and villainizing them but there is also a trend

00:23:01.740 of taking a as you said like say indigenous history and romanticizing a lot of what happened

00:23:06.620 and trying to i mean again they were human beings there was bad aspects and good aspects

00:23:11.260 but there seems to be a sugar coating put onto a lot of indigenous history

00:23:15.260 well i mean and that's for sure i mean i'll just give you one example out in nova scotia

00:23:19.740 edward cornerwallis was the founder of halifax and his statue in halifax was removed the park

00:23:25.420 with his name was changed, the streets with his name, his name is Mutt. And he was accused by an

00:23:31.720 indigenous elder of a genocide against the Mi'kmaq back in the 1700s and calling for the scalps of

00:23:38.820 their men, women, and children. Well, that really is bending the true historical record. So if you

00:23:43.880 go into the actual history, you'll see the story is rather different. So, I mean, the indigenous

00:23:49.680 elder who inspired all this wound up getting the Order of Canada while Cornwallis got canceled. So

00:23:54.960 yes, there's a lot of this romanticizing. And I don't think there's anything wrong with

00:23:59.620 mythology, by the way. I think that's great. I think it's crucial to a country's culture and

00:24:04.820 history. But when you start telling historical falsehoods, that's where I think we should draw

00:24:11.000 the line. And there is a lot of that going on, frankly, in the indigenous community. I'm not

00:24:17.400 saying all of it, of course, but a lot of it is not true facts about our history.

00:24:24.960 No, or at least have the caveat with Indigenous history, it tends to be an oral history which has limitations and can have accuracies, but it leaves a lot of room to read in, I guess, and people put it beyond question or reproach when it comes to that somehow, unfortunately.

00:24:40.280 This has also led to, I mean, other educational opportunities.

00:24:43.120 You talk about our educational institutions, our politicians, our media, but our landmarks, our places.

00:24:49.140 And in Calgary, for example, I mean, Fort Calgary, which has been there, I don't know how long, I mean, since the founding of Calgary, but as a historical site, I think since the 60s or 70s, got renamed just quietly the other year to the confluence, which means nothing.

00:25:05.320 Yes.

00:25:05.640 And it erases what that was.

00:25:07.420 it was a fort in a hostile area in the West in the past. And now it's got this benign, strange

00:25:12.840 confluence name, and they're working hard to actually erase everything that that fort stood

00:25:16.800 for. That's not good. Well, I mean, you're telling falsehoods about the history, and it's a knee-jerk

00:25:25.420 kickback reaction by politicians who don't do their homework. And it's happened where I live

00:25:32.680 in Toronto as well, where the main square in Canada's biggest city is now called Sankofa

00:25:39.620 Square, which comes from Ghana, which was a major slave trading nation in West Africa.

00:25:45.220 It was called Young Dundas Square. Henry Dundas was a Scottish parliamentarian and an abolitionist.

00:25:51.860 He's been vilified and canceled. They kicked out an abolitionist and brought in a name that's tied

00:25:57.880 to a slave trading nation. So it's totally ridiculous. And this is the kind of thing

00:26:01.680 that's gone on well it's interesting you listed uh jennifer dundas who was a distant you know

00:26:06.700 descendant of of uh dundas and she's one of those uh speaking up at least and and pushing back um

00:26:14.360 are there a number of families i guess who are you know a little finally getting upset and pushing

00:26:19.460 back on their ancestors being sort of smeared as they have been well well jennifer is one of the

00:26:24.840 people i interviewed for my book and uh yes she's been certainly been involved in this and and she's

00:26:29.900 by the way, is a former CBC News anchor in Winnipeg. So she was a journalist who went to

00:26:35.360 Ryerson School to study journalism. Now the school is not called that anymore. And the square is not,

00:26:41.920 it doesn't have the name Dundas. So she said like her own personal history has been erased

00:26:46.700 by these revisionists. Jennifer is the only one I know trying to clear a family name in that sense.

00:26:54.160 But, I mean, other people you mentioned, like Patrice, who's a highly respected professor and historian.

00:27:00.860 Lynn McDonald was a member of parliament in Ontario, a leading advocate for many causes, trying to correct the record on Henry Dundas and Ryerson and also Johnny McDonald.

00:27:12.960 And a number of other people I've talked to.

00:27:15.120 Some of them are historians, academics, journalists.

00:27:17.740 They come from a variety of different backgrounds, as cited in that article in the C2C Journal.

00:27:24.160 But like I say, they are the real truth tellers. And it's unfortunate that they have an uphill route to go through to try to set the record straight because the public is scratching their heads and they buy into these false narratives. And it's been a national dilemma from coast to coast.

00:27:44.880 So I'm glad these truth tellers and yourself are coming forward and putting it there.

00:27:48.740 But we kind of got to get to the root, you know, before I let you go, like we're getting

00:27:51.640 onto the solution based part of it.

00:27:54.120 Should we be trying to get a better, you know, that always becomes controversial curriculum

00:27:59.020 into our public schools, some basis just so that there's some fact based history grounding

00:28:04.120 our next upcoming generation?

00:28:06.320 I mean, we want to educate the contemporary generation, but my biggest fear is the ones

00:28:09.980 that are coming up with this, well, basically incorrect view of history right now?

00:28:15.340 Well, I think there's definitely an ideology that persists in our schools,

00:28:19.060 certainly in our post-secondary institutions right across Canada.

00:28:22.480 Some of them are really far extreme.

00:28:25.920 But it's not, like I say, the history that's taught,

00:28:29.540 and it's not taught very much of any, is often deeply rooted in ideology, not history.

00:28:35.780 So, you know, history isn't something that you're supposed to necessarily like.

00:28:39.980 history is supposed to be facts that took place and hopefully we can learn from it that's where

00:28:44.460 I come from that's where Patrice comes from Jennifer Dundas and others like that so it's

00:28:49.320 not attached to ideology it's attached to facts and if we're looking at historical figures we

00:28:54.720 should be learning historical facts and like I say the schools are largely remiss I think they're

00:29:01.100 out to lunch when it comes to history and I used to teach community colleges uh courses uh even

00:29:06.540 And university students and young people do not know history, and it's a real shame.

00:29:12.660 It certainly is.

00:29:13.960 And I mean, you know, it's another area if people are wondering why you've got things like independence movements springing up across the country or people burning Canadian flags with impunity at other protests and things.

00:29:23.280 Well, when you've undone your sense of identity and history and shared, you know, historical experience, well, then there's not that point of pride to keep people unified.

00:29:32.120 I mean, it has farther consequences farther down the line.

00:29:35.660 Well, absolutely.

00:29:37.060 I mean, you look no further than our first prime minister, John A. MacDonald.

00:29:40.380 I really did a deep dive into MacDonald, and the chapter is called The Trashing of John

00:29:44.960 A. MacDonald, and I learned a lot about MacDonald.

00:29:47.860 I read countless books, including Richard Gwynne, who wrote this incredible two-volume

00:29:53.620 biography of MacDonald, and he spent seven years of his life studying him, and he puts

00:29:58.400 him up there with the likes of Abraham Lincoln as leading statesmen from that century.

00:30:03.720 So that's not the story young people are getting about McDonald's today. And, you know, I'm one of the, you know, people like truth tellers, if you want to call them that, trying to set the record straight.

00:30:14.500 But, you know, it's mob rule. The mob tears down statues, vandalizes statues. They lean on politicians, municipal politicians who also don't know their history and they impact public policy. And that's a terrible thing. And that's what's been going on right across the country.

00:30:36.060 Great. Well, I really appreciate the work you've done, you know, speaking to the people and putting it together and coming to talk to us today.

00:30:43.000 Before I let you go one more time, where can people find that book, Sleepwoking, and keep up with your other writings, columns and such?

00:30:50.680 Yeah, well, the book is available on Amazon and it's doing quite well.

00:30:54.200 I'm also getting a lot of interest from Western Canada lately, I find as well, which is fine.

00:31:00.020 Because I know out in BC, especially, there's a lot of angst going on these days.

00:31:04.820 And a lot of that also, frankly, I think could be rooted in historical revisionism as well.

00:31:10.980 So you can get it on Amazon.

00:31:13.040 Amazon.ca is the best place to get the book.

00:31:15.660 Or you can go to my own website, which is jerryamernick.com.

00:31:19.380 Great.

00:31:19.860 And do you write on C2C and some other publications now, I mean?

00:31:24.460 I write for a lot of publications, though, Corey, that was my first piece for C2C.

00:31:29.300 It was suggested by some colleagues that I should write for them.

00:31:31.920 and we got together and they said, do a story on the real truth tellers. So, um, I probably will

00:31:37.460 be doing something else for them shortly. Great. Well, I'd like to see, to see, they give a nice,

00:31:42.040 you know, for long form, uh, type of, uh, presentations rather than a short. Very long

00:31:46.200 form. Yes. Yes. All right. Well, thank you again for, for coming on. And, uh, I hope the book

00:31:52.780 continues to sell and I really appreciate your, your, your work and your efforts, sir.

00:31:56.940 Well, Corey, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Great. Thanks. So one more time folks,

00:32:01.380 that is Jerry Amarnick. And yes, you can find his book on Amazon and search him out and see his

00:32:06.980 other works. I mean, it is so important. It can't be understated. And this is one of the more

00:32:10.880 subtle ways we're getting in trouble. That's where I kind of turned it back,

00:32:14.980 the discussion a little bit, and just pointing out that this can lead to real

00:32:18.300 world problems, not just, I guess, you know, decrying or being sad that our people aren't

00:32:25.920 being well enough educated. This comes with consequences. This comes with social division.

00:32:32.080 This comes with battles happening between different cultures and groups that perhaps

00:32:37.180 are based on historical mistruths. And it's irresponsible to keep basing history on ideology.

00:32:47.820 I mean, history, you know, if you want to look at things, you know, it's a difficult one. It's

00:32:52.880 not as hard as science is math where your numbers are either this or that but the bottom line is it

00:32:58.480 should be based on fact and there's just no getting around that you find as many sources of that fact

00:33:02.460 as you can you put them together whether you like the conclusion or you don't like the conclusion

00:33:06.220 and you public it publish it but right now it seems to be people yes they're looking for what

00:33:11.520 they they want to see and they're molding the message of the historical message to fit their

00:33:15.600 ideology and it's dangerous and it's wrong it's wrong for people you know it's a disservice to

00:33:21.440 those historic figures who did put so much in to building this nation. Sir John A. Macdonald

00:33:27.320 was an incredible man. As I was talking about, Patrice wrote that book. That was just on one

00:33:34.820 year, and it really was a fascinating book on what he went through in that period. And this is a man

00:33:39.880 whose career and in making history spanned decades. Yet we're tearing his statues down.

00:33:46.360 We're renaming schools and streets and acting as if this man who built this country, which really is, as much as I complain about a lot of things politically, it's still a bastion of freedom and prosperity like most of the world doesn't get to enjoy.

00:34:01.160 And the reason for that were people like McDonald back in those days, even if they held views that you don't necessarily agreed with at that time.

00:34:09.480 It doesn't overwrite the good they did.

00:34:11.160 You can't compare that.

00:34:13.220 And it's funny, they get selective with it.

00:34:15.060 if it's a left-right thing you want to play with.

00:34:17.600 Look at some of the prairie socialists

00:34:20.280 and their embracing of the eugenics policy

00:34:22.500 50, 60, 70 years ago.

00:34:25.020 It wasn't very nice either,

00:34:27.020 but they did accomplish other things.

00:34:30.040 The famous five in Alberta.

00:34:32.200 They've been digging in and finding quotes

00:34:34.060 from some of them.

00:34:34.840 You know, women's rights advocates

00:34:35.940 who really, again, turned the page

00:34:38.280 for Canadian women in history.

00:34:40.120 But now it turns out that, yes,

00:34:41.440 they held some racial views,

00:34:43.480 which were well kind of held by a lot of their contemporaries at the time and we're seeing that

00:34:48.460 canceled in Calgary there was five statues that were held or kept downtown beautiful statues

00:34:53.680 they took them down as they renovated a park and said oh well we'll deal with them later and they've

00:34:58.120 been sitting in storage ever since don't worry guys those statues are never coming back they're

00:35:02.300 being erased because a couple of them Nellie McClung or whatnot I'm not sure even which ones

00:35:07.380 said a couple of untoward things 100 years ago. Not good, guys. Not good at all. But well, I mean,

00:35:15.800 like anything else, we want to try and battle misinformation with fact. But it's hard. It's

00:35:22.340 hard. Short form torqued rhetoric tends to stick into people a lot more effectively than long form

00:35:32.760 history. In fact, we're in the TikTok generation. If I can't get somebody's attention in a 30 second

00:35:38.100 video, I can't get their attention. That's worrisome. It really is. Hopefully though,

00:35:43.080 I mean, I think new technology is fantastic. New ways of reaching people and engaging people.

00:35:47.340 Maybe it's starting in the most shallow way with TikTok dance videos and cat videos, but can be

00:35:54.620 converted into something more productive a little later and make it better. I don't know.

00:36:01.160 it's either way check that out um and uh let's see what else is going to be happening uh mcclung

00:36:08.740 yes there's another one uh well that was mentioned yeah and then mcclung got the right for women to

00:36:13.140 vote and yeah she's getting cancelled tommy douglas yes greatest canadian and uh he was

00:36:17.780 as as a mo c9m a commenter pointed out was a supporter of forced sterilization and eugenics

00:36:24.700 does that mean douglas everything else he did was wrong because he was a eugenics supporter

00:36:29.280 no was the eugenics view wrong yes hey look at that you can actually recognize the good

00:36:37.940 contributions while recognizing the bad sir johnny mcdonald was a notorious drunk but it doesn't

00:36:43.500 mean he was a fool but uh either way i mean you know as a you spoke about recent uh politics

00:36:52.480 leading into this justin trudeau was one of the worst politicians worst prime ministers in canadian

00:36:56.960 history by far. No politician has ever managed to undercut Canadian pride and identity more

00:37:04.660 than Justin Trudeau did. I mean, when he started out with his fluffy vacuous, and that was the

00:37:10.300 problem, Canada voted for hair, not for brains, and they kept him in for 10 years, and it showed.

00:37:16.920 So you wouldn't hear Justin talking about history. He'd never read a history book in his life. He

00:37:20.200 read comic books, and he talked about this post-national state. What a beautiful country

00:37:25.020 where we aren't, uh, you know, we aren't Canadian where everything else.

00:37:28.200 And what do you think is happening?

00:37:29.940 We have ethnic, we have ethnic clashes in the streets.

00:37:33.760 We have protests and yes, we have independence movements springing

00:37:36.300 up across this country.

00:37:37.740 And yeah, I was an independent supporter prior to Justin Trudeau and he made my

00:37:41.660 work a heck of a lot easier for me.

00:37:43.120 I tell you when we've got this country where everybody's expected to look at

00:37:46.860 their feet and be ashamed of themselves and not show pride in anything.

00:37:52.360 It's not so hard to pull them away and say, well, why don't we vote to form

00:37:54.860 another one, is it? And these, these self-loathing revisionists, I met one that it's just stuck in

00:38:01.480 my head. It was the most bizarre thing. So I was at Medicine Hat College a couple of weeks ago. I

00:38:05.220 was a speaker there with the Rebel Independence Tour, a beautiful theater they had. They got all

00:38:09.660 sorts of pressure to cancel us. They, they, they wouldn't do it, but they did allow for protesters

00:38:14.100 to be there as well. They just kept everybody peaceful and separate. I can't say enough good

00:38:17.940 things about the college doing exactly what a learning institution should do, which is host

00:38:22.920 both sides of the debate and just allow them to express themselves, uh, without stopping each

00:38:27.640 other. And there was an older woman who showed up early and was chatting with us while we were

00:38:33.520 setting up. And she just looked like anybody's stereotypical picture of a grandma, you know,

00:38:38.960 she was short and elderly and very polite and friendly and smiling and everything. And then,

00:38:44.920 but as she's going, yeah, so I've been in Canada my whole life and, and I'm a colonialist and I

00:38:49.480 know that and she just with this smile and this weird beatific look on her when declaring yourself

00:38:55.840 as a colonialist and whatever she was 80 years old it was just bizarre it was like having a nice

00:39:02.160 little old granny but then suddenly you know here have some arsenic laden tea like you are in a nice

00:39:08.880 benign looking package yet you're spouting poison poison so you've spent whatever she had 80 years

00:39:18.080 this country born here contributing doing whatever she did and still calls herself a colonialist

00:39:25.600 piss off you know this this settler colonialist crap this double standard and and there's left

00:39:33.280 problems there's right problems but i tell you the bulk of this self-loathing crap comes from

00:39:37.120 the left where the only people the only ones who apparently have any authority are purebred indigenous

00:39:48.080 Canadians. Really? You know, that is so grossly racially intolerant and they don't see it.

00:39:56.200 They, you know, as a commenter there says, Corey, they're psychopaths. Yes, they are. That's what

00:39:59.440 I mean. That's what creeped me out. Here's friendly little grandma. And then that little

00:40:03.400 spouting realized this woman's crazy and dangerously. So no, no, she's not going to pull

00:40:07.000 a knife and stab me or shoot me, but she is dangerously crazy. And she's a symptom of a

00:40:18.080 myopic attitude that everybody who wasn't, not just anybody born here anymore, but going farther

00:40:25.440 back, you know, is an intruder, a settler, a colonialist. Think of anti, yet at the same time,

00:40:32.980 they blame other people for being xenophobic and intolerant and everything else if they question

00:40:36.600 the amount of immigration coming in currently. Well, you're just saying the same thing. You're

00:40:42.460 condemning one and practicing

00:40:44.380 the same thing on another

00:40:46.340 spot. And I know some

00:40:48.380 others, somebody mentioned, yes, you know, First Nations

00:40:50.560 came across the Bering Sea and at one point

00:40:52.200 came from somewhere else too. Like, it just

00:40:54.340 never stops. And it's counterproductive.

00:40:56.540 But there's idiocy. And I

00:40:58.200 refuse

00:40:58.960 to do that we and them.

00:41:02.200 We owe them. We did bad things.

00:41:04.320 We put them on

00:41:06.180 reserves. We created the residential

00:41:08.400 schools. I didn't do a damn

00:41:10.300 thing. And I'm not sorry for any of it.

00:41:12.460 so don't try to make me feel guilty for it. I won't. I can't. I didn't do it. There's a little

00:41:18.340 quote I saw on the internet one time that was brilliant. It was a couple of people debating,

00:41:21.900 and I can't remember the exact context, but it was a white person and a black person,

00:41:25.240 and it was the American context, but somebody's saying along the lines of,

00:41:28.920 I never owned a slave, and you never picked cotton, so let's start the conversation from there.

00:41:35.060 You know, because there are people in the loony left down the state saying there should be

00:41:38.140 reparations paid for slavery. Look, slavery ended, what, 170 years ago now?

00:41:45.040 Who are you going to pay reparations for? Sure, it caused damage. Sure, it still is the root of

00:41:51.840 some of the racial divide that's happening to this day and the way things are populated in

00:41:57.060 the United States. But you can't demand reparation from somebody's descendant for what somebody else's

00:42:03.780 descendant may or may not have been assaulted, but people are actually demanding that. And they're

00:42:08.540 saying you should be ashamed of yourself. There's a weird, gross, extreme leftist demonstration I

00:42:13.560 saw at one point where there was a black guy standing and this white, woke nut bar on his

00:42:21.260 knee, licking the boot of the black guy, just saying, I have to feel it so I can be able to

00:42:25.620 understand what happened 150 years ago. You guys are insane. This isn't helping anybody. This

00:42:32.320 isn't unifying anybody. This isn't making us all better off or stronger. This is dividing the

00:42:38.020 cultures. This is making it worse. This is taking the scab off of a wound, a wound that's healing

00:42:43.420 slowly enough as it is, and just constantly reopening it. And who's getting better? Has

00:42:49.680 racism ended? No. We're seeing more division, more fights, more extremism, because we're refusing

00:42:58.840 to to get together another one saying from the communist uh playbook mystery chief saying

00:43:04.640 struggle sessions yeah it's it's absurdity but it's brainwashing and it's problematic

00:43:09.900 here's another beauty example let's just talk about things gone out of control where i'll be

00:43:14.560 called intolerant for not pointing for pointing it out but i don't care so you might have seen

00:43:18.400 that news story toronto police officer ferrana lee he praised october 7th you know where they're

00:43:23.460 raping and and murdering women and children in israel people keep overlooking that the left is

00:43:28.200 just celebrating that orgy of, of murder and rape that happened October 7th. I really wish

00:43:33.120 every one of them, I really wish somehow could have been dragged over there where I was to see

00:43:37.100 the bloodstains, to see the blown up houses and watch that God awful unfiltered video of what

00:43:42.660 those monsters did. Either way, this guy praised it. That's how extreme this guy is. And you know

00:43:48.120 what he got in reward for praising that? He was the Toronto policeman, uh, person charged with,

00:43:57.280 you know, uh, communicating with the Islamic community out there. Yeah. You wonder why

00:44:00.880 they took no issue with hate protests, targeting Jewish neighborhoods, households, people's homes

00:44:07.540 with extremists. Well, cause this is the guy with the police with it. And guess what? As with so

00:44:13.380 many adherents of Islam, and there's a lot of them, he's a rapist. He's been arrested and charged

00:44:18.160 actually three counts of it yeah real winner isn't he and guess what grooming gangs rape gangs

00:44:28.260 prostitution gangs i'll say what we're not allowed to say oh look at the headlines read the names

00:44:34.500 they're all islamic not saying every islamic person's participating in those no i am not

00:44:39.720 but there's a real problem with that ideology and we got to be allowed to say it if we're going to

00:44:46.200 solve it. So yeah, I'll say that quiet part out loud, because this is the sort of thing you end

00:44:52.820 up with. You take a man who celebrated murder and rape, and lo and behold, it turns out he's a

00:44:58.840 rapist. Who would have seen that coming? How blinded by wokeness does the Toronto Police

00:45:04.200 Force have to be to have taken a man like him and put him into a position of authority for that

00:45:08.380 many years? And gee, he went and did what you would have thought he'd do. A person who celebrates

00:45:14.860 rape committed rape ah didn't see that coming maybe we should get a few more of the people

00:45:21.260 who've been celebrating celebrating violence and terrorism out of positions of authority wouldn't

00:45:25.340 that be a crazy thing to try just maybe we should give it a crack all right that's enough pissing

00:45:31.180 and moaning out of me guys thank you very much for joining in today be sure to tune into the

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Western Standard - March 14, 2026

CORY MORGAN SHOW： Blocking independence referendums could have terrible consequences

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