Western Standard - September 27, 2023


Cory Morgan Show. Canadian government is in disarray


Episode Stats

Length

49 minutes

Words per Minute

185.25447

Word Count

9,111

Sentence Count

644

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

11


Summary

A Nazi was invited into the House of Commons, and the whole place erupted in cheers and applause for the honour. Also, the Fraser Institute has a new report on the impact of the government's COID shutdown on public schools. And a Ukrainian veteran who served in Hitler's Waffen SS unit was introduced to the Commons.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:00:30.000 Good day. Welcome to the Corey Morgan Show. This is my weekly hour to bend your ears, do a little ranting, interview some guests and cover some issues that are breaking. And I tell you, they're really breaking this week. It's just been an orgy of issues to try and keep track of. Usually, you know, throughout the summer anyways, it was hard. You're trying to things to come up with things to write columns on in the political realm and things like that. And it's slow. Right now, the hard part is trying to figure out what exactly
00:00:59.780 to cover. There is so much going on. It's just been a bizarre, crazy couple of weeks in Canadian politics and news in general. So I've got a good packed show today. A little later, I'll have Paige McPherson on.
00:01:14.280 It'll cool things down a little bit, but it's a very important discussion. She's with the Fraser Institute and they released a study on the impacts of the school closures due to COVID over that period of time. You know, we haven't had enough people looking back say, well, was it worth it? Were the shutdowns worth it? Were there benefits to be had? And of course, most importantly, what sort of damage was done? You know, having children out of school for weeks and weeks and weeks at a time was not good for them.
00:01:39.480 It came at a cost to them and they've studied that and put out a report on it. So I'm looking forward to that. Of course, we'll have our check-ins and things such as that too. And yes, this is live for a lot of you. Use that comment section, guys. Send those comments my way, questions my way, things like that. Discuss things with each other. I like seeing things being active in there. Just remain civil. That's all. We can be good to each other. So yes, I'm going to get on about, of course, the biggest event of the week. A really unbelievable one. It was one of those times the world really was watching.
00:02:09.480 And we had Ukrainian President Zelensky. He was a guest to the House of Commons. The Liberals were celebrating another injection of 600 million Canadian tax dollars going into the Ukrainian war effort. It was a big feel-good moment. Then the entire House rose and they gave an ovation and an applause to a Nazi.
00:02:28.780 Nazi. Yeah, I didn't have a slip of the tongue. I'm not talking about a figurative Nazi or a comical Nazi like the soup chef in a Seinfeld episode. Not some goose-stepping neo-Nazi idiot with a shaven head and a swastika tattoo. No, this wasn't even a conscript from the German army in World War II or a simple member of the Nazi party from those times. No, the fellow they were applauding actually served in one of Hitler's SS Waffen units in World War II.
00:02:54.780 This was a true, dyed-in-the-wool, literal Nazi. I mean, that term gets thrown around so much that we really have to couch it this time with, no, this is the real thing.
00:03:05.220 Now, due to the passage of time, thankfully, it's actually quite difficult to find real Nazis these days.
00:03:10.740 But credit where due, the government managed to dig one up and bring him into the House of Commons.
00:03:15.700 House Speaker, or I should say former House Speaker, Anthony Roda, has fallen on his sword for the issue now and claims the invitation of the Nazi was solely his own action.
00:03:24.320 Now, while Roda certainly appears culpable, it beggars belief that this Nazi slipped through the vetting into the House of Commons with no examination.
00:03:31.420 It's no coincidence that a Ukrainian veteran happened to be introduced to the House by the Speaker on the same day the President of Ukraine happened to be there.
00:03:40.420 It was a staged, jingoistic event that was supposed to show a common front of support for Ukrainians against Russian aggression.
00:03:47.580 The problem was with which war Yaroslav Hanka fought against the Russians in.
00:03:53.260 Now, I'm going to speculate on what probably happened. I could be wrong. This is what I figure happened.
00:03:57.040 I imagine an order went out to Liberal members just to ask him, try and seek out a Ukrainian veteran, you know, who stood up to the Russians to celebrate in the House while we have Zelisky here.
00:04:07.560 Some staffer went scurrying about and managed to find Yaroslav Hanka.
00:04:10.980 It was probably a young staffer. If you go to Ottawa, you see them all the time.
00:04:13.560 You know, they're usually rushing around in ill-fitting suits.
00:04:15.920 And it didn't occur to him that if a person's 98 years old, Ukrainian, and fought against the Russians,
00:04:22.860 it's almost a sure thing he served in one of Hitler's Waffen-SS units.
00:04:27.560 And he volunteered to join that unit. He wasn't conscripted.
00:04:31.200 I've seen some Liberal supporters doggedly trying to point out how Hanka wasn't among the worst of the Nazis.
00:04:36.440 That's absurd, and it's not doing their cause any favors.
00:04:39.300 I don't care if nowadays Hanka is the sweetest father and grandfather on the planet, you know, and did a good job later in life.
00:04:46.200 I don't care if he was the friendliest Nazi in his unit, that he never forgot anybody's birthday,
00:04:50.780 or won the Mr. Nazi Congeniality Award every time there was an SS convention.
00:04:55.440 He was a Nazi, and never should have been invited to the House of Commons, much less applauded.
00:05:01.620 Some actions and life choices lead to a permanent stigma being applied.
00:05:06.460 Joining one of Hitler's SAS units during World War II is one of those life choices.
00:05:10.840 The leader of a nation in the middle of a war was a guest in the House of Commons,
00:05:14.660 and he unwittingly found himself joining the rest of the room and applauding a Nazi.
00:05:18.380 The damage done went beyond just humiliating Canada and a guest on the world stage.
00:05:23.600 Vladimir Putin was surely laughing for hours as Canada managed to create a public relations coup for him.
00:05:29.480 While Justin Trudeau wasn't directly involved in this latest national embarrassment, it still happened on his watch.
00:05:36.020 The Prime Minister's office surely was behind the planning for this grand event,
00:05:39.700 and if their office didn't vet attendees, it must be asked why they didn't.
00:05:43.040 Could any MP just bring in whoever they please and have them recognized by the House without any question or vetting?
00:05:49.020 I doubt it.
00:05:50.380 This is just one debacle piling onto a year of embarrassments from the Trudeau government.
00:05:54.700 Every policy they touch becomes a mess, and every event becomes a controversy.
00:05:59.100 We're seeing a government in its dying stages.
00:06:01.700 They're tired out and in disarray.
00:06:03.680 They're directionless and basically leaderless.
00:06:06.700 Rather than trying to address the issues, of course, Trudeau went into hiding.
00:06:09.840 He's trying to distract from things.
00:06:11.840 The Liberals tried and failed even to get unanimous consent to have the whole incident stricken from the public record.
00:06:17.300 Yeah, they actually wanted to get that thrown out just so we pretend it never happened.
00:06:21.880 Thankfully, a Conservative member said, no, no, no, no, that's going to stay in there, as embarrassing as it is.
00:06:26.420 The Canadian government under Justin Trudeau is dysfunctional and unsustainable.
00:06:30.480 Trudeau's days as Prime Minister are clearly numbered.
00:06:32.880 Even if Trudeau never gets it, his caucus had better bloody well figure it out and fast.
00:06:36.680 The scandals are piling up faster, and the embarrassments are hitting new heights with every month.
00:06:42.380 They allow him to keep sitting as the Liberal leader.
00:06:45.020 If Trudeau isn't removed by the next election, the Liberal Party is going to be utterly decimated.
00:06:48.560 While that sounds appealing, I don't like to imagine the damage that Dingbat could cause if he had two more years in power.
00:06:54.820 Wake up, guys.
00:06:55.740 Think about that.
00:06:56.360 I mean, just back up and think for a moment.
00:06:58.860 But we had a standing ovation and an applause for a true, literal, living Nazi in our House of Commons.
00:07:07.300 You can't make this sort of thing up.
00:07:09.700 This government's just a mess.
00:07:11.580 All right.
00:07:11.980 Well, of course, everybody heard about that.
00:07:13.500 And as somebody else pointed out, yeah, Justin Trudeau, I believe, is making a statement.
00:07:16.560 Finally, he's popped his head up.
00:07:18.000 That's happening right now as I speak.
00:07:19.720 But we'll get the highlights of that a little later, I'm sure.
00:07:21.600 And we'll check in with the newsroom and see what else is going on.
00:07:24.220 And maybe there's been a few words out of Trudeau worth mentioning from our news editor, Dave Naylor, and see what's happening.
00:07:29.980 Hey, Dave, how's it going?
00:07:31.020 It's going well, Corey.
00:07:32.280 Yeah, Prime Minister Trudeau just seconds ago finished a statement where he apologized on behalf of the Parliament.
00:07:39.600 Didn't really apologize on behalf of himself, but on behalf of the Parliament, he said it was obviously a very embarrassing situation.
00:07:47.720 So that story is being typed up right now by Jonathan Bradley.
00:07:52.420 But, hey, I'm more excited what the beer fairy or the bee fairy brought this morning.
00:07:58.840 Yes.
00:07:59.420 That's direct from your hive, eh?
00:08:01.300 It is genuine, pretty honey.
00:08:05.480 I'm looking forward to it.
00:08:06.660 Actually, I'm going to give it to my daughter because she's the honey expert.
00:08:09.920 But I'll let you know what she thinks.
00:08:12.360 Well, I appreciate it.
00:08:13.240 It's had good reviews so far.
00:08:14.660 Good.
00:08:15.040 Awesome.
00:08:15.320 Lots of news this morning, Corey.
00:08:18.260 Where to begin?
00:08:18.960 We'll begin in Paris, shall we, where Jonathan Wilkinson has released these sort of guidelines that Canada is committing to cap emissions.
00:08:31.900 He confirms that there will be an oil and gas cap, but he doesn't say when.
00:08:37.660 He says it's still under development.
00:08:39.160 And if you remember, this is the line that Premier Daniel Smith drew in the sand and said, you guys better not cross it.
00:08:47.020 Well, they haven't crossed it quite yet, but it seems pretty obvious they're on their way.
00:08:53.560 Lots of news on the E. coli scandal in Calgary, where hundreds of young children have been stricken down.
00:09:00.200 Turns out it was bad meatloaf that led the way that seems to have caused it, combined with a vegan meatloaf.
00:09:08.660 And the City of Calgary has charged the kitchen with operating without a license.
00:09:15.280 And that's a fine of up to $120,000 if convicted.
00:09:21.840 We've got some good news out there.
00:09:24.520 The Taylor family has put in an additional $3 million to the new polar bear exhibit.
00:09:30.600 That's going to be opening up very, very quickly.
00:09:33.280 And it brings their combined donation to more than $11 million.
00:09:40.140 So these polar bears coming in from Winnipeg, they're going to have a life of luxury that no other captive polar bear probably has.
00:09:48.240 And some amazing scenes last night in Philadelphia, where basically you can go shoplifting anywhere you want now in the United States and not get charged.
00:09:59.520 And they had some mob scenes where people were, we won't call it shoplifting, we'll call it looting, looting stores.
00:10:07.620 And this comes on the heels of Target announcing they were closing stores across the U.S.
00:10:14.540 to try and battle some of this economic loss that they're being faced with mob looting.
00:10:20.380 So tons of stuff already up, Corey.
00:10:23.320 We've got a column by our own Paul Forseth, who actually used to be a speaker, fill in for a speaker in the House of Commons.
00:10:33.760 So that's an interesting insight found only on the Western Standard, Corey.
00:10:38.400 So as mentioned, Jonathan's typing up the Trudeau stuff.
00:10:42.180 And no doubt we're going to have a lively question period kicking off in about 15 minutes.
00:10:47.140 Great. Well, thanks for the update.
00:10:50.440 And again, the plug for that Prittis honey, I'm afraid.
00:10:53.340 Yeah, I don't make quite enough to make a commercial venture of it, but it's good to know somebody out there might be appreciating it.
00:10:58.540 Yeah, I'm sure we all do. Thanks. Thanks, Corey.
00:11:00.940 Thanks, Dave.
00:11:01.860 So that is our news editor, Dave Naylor.
00:11:04.220 And yeah, you can see those stories just keep piling up and, you know, lots to cover.
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00:11:49.180 Let's see.
00:11:49.940 Somebody commenter, Theo Thurm, saying Trudy's blaming everyone but himself right at this moment.
00:11:54.540 Yeah, that's not to be too surprised at the conference.
00:11:56.920 We didn't really expect him to take responsibility.
00:11:59.380 That's not been a hallmark.
00:12:00.900 But, you know, I just would have thought eventually somebody's got to be twisting that guy's arm,
00:12:05.280 saying, look, that's enough.
00:12:06.360 That's enough.
00:12:06.980 You've got to go.
00:12:07.600 There was that caucus meeting late last night or cabinet meeting, something going on.
00:12:11.180 Some people were speculating, maybe.
00:12:13.780 Looks like nothing's changed.
00:12:15.220 They feel they can manage to right this ship and hold the course.
00:12:18.720 It's like I said at the end of my opening.
00:12:21.580 I mean, I think they'll get themselves down to single-digit numbers if they keep at this pace by the next election,
00:12:26.780 which would be nice.
00:12:27.940 I'd like to see the Liberals obliterated from the House of Commons.
00:12:30.420 But look how much more damage can we sustain from these hammerheads?
00:12:34.960 Two more years?
00:12:35.900 Boy, or possibly three.
00:12:37.500 Don't forget, we're in the parliamentary system.
00:12:39.660 He can actually hang on for five years if he really wanted to stretch it out as much as possible.
00:12:45.660 Well, so let's see.
00:12:48.860 Dave D'Souza saying, what are the chances of a vote of confidence so we can get Trudeau on the road?
00:12:52.360 I'd say practically none.
00:12:54.780 You would need the NDP to participate in that.
00:12:57.320 And Jagmeet Singh has shown no interest in breaking up the agreement that he has with the Liberals right now,
00:13:04.180 because that's the closest the NDP will ever get to power, and Singh knows it.
00:13:07.680 So he'll talk big and act low, as he always has been.
00:13:12.080 He'll critique Trudeau, but he'll never bring him down.
00:13:14.480 The only thing that's going to bring Trudeau down, clearly it's not himself,
00:13:18.040 because he's too stupid to realize how stupid he is, is his own caucus.
00:13:22.280 They have to do it.
00:13:24.240 You know, conservatives are always criticized because they tend to pull down their own leaders,
00:13:28.420 and it's true, and they do it perhaps a little too quickly and with a little too much damage.
00:13:32.560 But at times with every party, eventually you've got to show the leader the door
00:13:37.740 if they don't realize that they need to go to it.
00:13:39.780 And these Liberals in caucus, they're going to end up on the unemployment line just as much as Trudeau.
00:13:46.260 I mean, look at the disgraces that are happening right now.
00:13:49.360 I'm sure some of them have got to be getting ready to say, look, I've got to save my own butt.
00:13:52.880 This guy's got to go.
00:13:54.540 That will be the only chance.
00:13:55.740 And that wouldn't lead to an election.
00:13:57.320 That would just lead to a new Liberal leader and a period in between.
00:14:02.360 But it wouldn't necessarily mean a big change immediately either, but it would be the end of him at least.
00:14:08.060 Because, I mean, again, like I said, this party is floundering.
00:14:10.440 They really are.
00:14:10.860 The government is out of control.
00:14:12.700 They don't know what each arm is doing.
00:14:14.320 They don't know what's happening.
00:14:15.800 Everything they touch turns to crap, and we're paying the price for it.
00:14:19.360 So, see, commenter David Fleischman saying, many ex-German soldiers, in brackets Nazis, emigrated to Canada after World War II.
00:14:26.140 They lived and worked in Canada.
00:14:27.320 The government at the time led them into Canada.
00:14:29.800 Do we blame the past government on this?
00:14:31.240 Well, you know, if you look back on it, there were a number of people who fought in the war.
00:14:37.040 And, yes, on the side of Germany with the Waffen-SS, actually, I believe that was covered in the 50s.
00:14:42.120 They determined that they hadn't, they weren't going to call these guys war criminals, but they weren't exactly sanctioning them either.
00:14:48.040 But they were saying, okay, it's done.
00:14:49.740 We're leaving it where it is.
00:14:51.020 And, you know, there's no sense turning back the clock.
00:14:53.320 And at this point, going down, chasing down 98-year-olds and trying, because some people are saying you should be arrested or, you know, sent back to Poland to face justice.
00:15:01.900 You know, no, it's just let him and his God, if he has one in his conscience, deal with whatever happened then, along with the others at this point.
00:15:10.540 The bottom line, though, is they aren't appropriate to bring in front of the House of Commons.
00:15:14.080 That's the issue.
00:15:15.020 That's the problem.
00:15:15.940 So, you know, you should have let the, nobody should have ever heard of this guy outside of his own friends and family until he passed on of old age.
00:15:22.960 But now, suddenly, he's one of the most famous men on earth and not in a good way.
00:15:27.700 All right, let's turn the page and get on to something, though.
00:15:29.380 I have been looking forward to this conversation.
00:15:31.960 Like I said, we get distracted with all of this, this haywire stuff coming out of the House of Commons, but we've got a lot of important stuff happening otherwise.
00:15:38.040 So we've got Paige McPherson with the Fraser Institute on, and they put out a great study recently, and I'm looking forward to discussing this.
00:15:46.040 We aren't talking enough.
00:15:47.700 We didn't talk enough before the pandemic measures happened on cost-benefit, but at least now that we have the benefit of hindsight, let's look at these things and what the impacts were so that, presumably, if there's another such event, we can do things differently.
00:16:00.540 Hello, Paige.
00:16:01.140 Paige, welcome to the show.
00:16:02.420 Thanks so much for having me.
00:16:04.000 Well, I really appreciate it.
00:16:05.620 I'm glad you came on.
00:16:06.860 So kind of as I framed it there, so you called it the forgotten demographic, and you focused particularly on children in school with the amount of lost time and the impacts that had.
00:16:19.540 I mean, we can't pretend there was zero impact, but you guys actually dug in to see what those impacts were then.
00:16:24.660 Yeah, absolutely.
00:16:25.380 We've often heard the refrain that policymakers, when it came to COVID and school closures, were doing the best with the information that they had at the time.
00:16:34.540 So what our report really looks into is what information exactly did policymakers, including governments across Canada, we looked at each provincial government, including in Alberta, where you are, looking at what did they know exactly, and also when did they know it?
00:16:51.740 Did they have any information that would guide their policymaking, or were they really just flying blind?
00:16:57.100 And I think it's very reasonable to say that, okay, within the first, let's say, one, two, maybe even three months, there wasn't a lot of good data.
00:17:05.980 There was a lot of, you know, uncertainty and fear during that period in the pandemic.
00:17:10.840 And so school closures happened, but the reality is that in Canada, and including Alberta, schools were closed in Alberta well into January 2022.
00:17:22.200 So that's spanning three school years.
00:17:24.580 In other parts of Canada, they were closed up until February 2022.
00:17:27.880 And so just to put that into context, that is 110 days minimum that Alberta students missed due to school closures related to the pandemic, which began in March of 2020.
00:17:41.880 And our report really found that there was a no good reason, no evidence informed reason to believe that school closures would help in terms of the health and safety of children, or even necessarily stopping the spread of COVID-19.
00:17:58.220 And certainly we, we knew very early on, if we're being really, really conservative in what we're saying, by December 2020, at the latest, that there was almost no significant health risk to children of COVID-19.
00:18:16.340 And yet governments continued to close schools.
00:18:19.520 So they really didn't let the data inform their response.
00:18:22.700 So, I mean, we all, well, again, there was a lot of conflicting stories and everything going on at the time.
00:18:28.000 But as you said, it was starting to become pretty clear.
00:18:29.820 We kind of got very fortunate that among infectious diseases, this one was one that seemed to leave children alone, at least for the most part.
00:18:37.620 But I mean, another, when that was brought up, often people would say, well, yes, but they're putting the teachers at risk or they're adding to spread and they'll bring it home to their household and put grandma and grandpa at risk or things like that.
00:18:48.320 So did open times with school contribute to the general infection of the population or could a link be found?
00:18:54.560 The short answer is that we there's really no clarity in the data.
00:18:59.320 There's really no good evidence to say, yes, school closures worked when we're looking in hindsight now in terms of stopping the spread.
00:19:07.840 There's certainly some speculation that they might have had some impact, but there's really no good scientific data showing that they worked.
00:19:16.200 And that's from the epidemiological review, that portion of our paper.
00:19:20.200 Also, it wasn't like we had never thought about school closures before 2020 school closures had been studied in terms of a review of the existing data when it came to coronaviruses, SARS and MERS.
00:19:35.380 But before COVID-19, also in the context of influenza and those the same, it was very inconclusive, really, like I said, there was no good evidence that school closures would work for what we had hoped that they would do or what policymakers had hoped that they would do.
00:19:53.420 So what was also very clear from the start was that school closures or in other words, missed classroom time would have negative impacts on children from an academic perspective, from a mental health perspective, social outcomes, severe absenteeism.
00:20:11.680 These are all of the things that we are now seeing and the other side of our paper, what we look at following school closures, the consequences that children have faced and are continuing to face.
00:20:22.300 But the fact is that policymakers in the Alberta government and right across Canada and the Western world, if they had done their due diligence and looked into this information, it was there ahead of time.
00:20:35.520 We know that missed classroom time does have severe consequences for kids.
00:20:39.700 And like I said, 110 days minimum of missed classroom time in Alberta, that's not including if your school had an outbreak, which would be two kids or more with a positive COVID test,
00:20:49.920 or if your your kid had the sniffles and therefore they couldn't go to school because they had a COVID symptom for however long it took them to get over the sniffles.
00:20:57.320 So that is a minimum. Kids actually, in effect, missed quite a lot more time than that. And that does have a negative impact.
00:21:04.480 Well, absolutely. And I guess something that probably lended to your study, though, was the fact that every province was quite different for the amount of time.
00:21:13.160 You had a widespread. There was 10 weeks in B.C. at a minimum and 27 weeks in Ontario and sort of everything in between.
00:21:19.820 So I imagine that gave you some data and information to really see the differential and impacts with the provinces that have less closing, fewer closures than the others.
00:21:28.640 Absolutely. So in terms of the academic impact, for example, what I will stress is that this is a very preliminary look.
00:21:37.340 A lot of what I do in my role at the Fraser Institute is look at standardized test score data and provinces more or less halted standardized testing during COVID.
00:21:46.660 And during sort of the school closure period, which we know is a very long period, they're only just starting to reinstate and get those tests back into action.
00:21:54.920 So the data that we have is sort of a preliminary peek into the window.
00:21:59.820 But we do know that there was impacts, particularly on math scores is something that we found quite striking in our paper.
00:22:08.600 It was in Ontario and Nova Scotia, which are the two provinces which did close schools for the longest period of time, that math scores did seem to be quite impacted.
00:22:19.140 In Alberta, we looked at the grade six provincial achievement test scores across all subjects.
00:22:26.000 There were some minor declines between 2018-19, so the first or the last year not impacted by COVID school closures compared with 2021-2022, which was the first year where you're not seeing the or well, I guess there were still school closures, but where we have that good test score data that we can look at.
00:22:48.720 So we did see a minor decline across all subjects.
00:22:51.720 In addition, the Calgary Board of Education reported that the number of students who passed the diploma exams, which are a necessity for graduation, so this is a very important exam for students, and therefore this is quite a significant result.
00:23:05.360 In math 31, it declined by 18%.
00:23:07.720 So in 2021-22, only 63.6% of Alberta grade 12 students who took that exam actually passed it, and in 2018-19, and that was the same change from 2018-19 to 2021-22, they also saw a decline in the English 31 exam, a decline by 9%.
00:23:30.780 So we did see some significant learning loss in provinces that did close schools for long periods of time, but really any lost classroom time, even if the school closures were short, would have an impact.
00:23:45.360 And we also saw impacts in terms of severe absenteeism, students who were actually out of school more than they were in school.
00:23:52.640 The only province that really reported that in a formal way was Ontario, they did see an increase in severe absenteeism, but we've seen from the UK and the US that where severe absenteeism, so students not coming back to school, where it actually increased in the first school closure year, it actually grew even larger in the following year, even if school closures hadn't continued.
00:24:17.700 So those effects were really compounding.
00:24:19.700 We also saw that mental health impacts in kids in terms of stat scan data, the Mental Health Commission of Canada did a broad survey and found that the youngest kids who were at the lowest physical health risk from COVID-19 actually faced the greatest rates, self-reported, of severe anxiety and depression and other really negative mental health impacts, and they actually were the longest lasting.
00:24:46.700 Contrast that with the oldest segment of the population who was the most at physical health risk of COVID-19, they had a spike at the start in terms of their severe anxiety, but it quickly dissipated, and the rates were actually significantly lower than we saw in the youth.
00:25:04.700 So that's why we called the paper the forgotten demographic. It's really that children are bearing a lot of the burden of these COVID-19 school closures and lockdown policies. It's actually lasting quite a long time in terms of those impacts on kids, whereas we're just not seeing that in the older demographics.
00:25:23.700 Yeah, I mean, the academic impact is somewhat easier to measure when we have standardized testing and we can see some correlation. The more difficult but possibly more distressing is the social impact. You touched a little upon, I see one of our commenters, Ann McCormack, said their 14-year-old committed suicide the weekend before school starts September 20th.
00:25:42.700 You know, the individual cases vary all over the place, but it's certainly there's a lot of vulnerable children. They're suffering from, you know, anxiety. It's a difficult time. Suicide is always a risk and things such as that at the best of times.
00:25:57.700 And when you disrupt it with something like this and so much fear and separation from their social peers, it's unquestionable that there's been an impact. But, you know, it's, I guess, difficult to quantify just how much it was.
00:26:11.700 Yes, you're right. And that's a really tragic outcome. It's also not an isolated thing. We did see that there were emergency rooms, for example, in Calgary, said that there was an emergency, the emergency room doctors there.
00:26:25.700 I forgot which hospital it was, but they reported a significant increase in people who came in, youth who came in due to suicide attempts and self-harm.
00:26:37.700 Those Mental Health Commission of Canada surveys and StatsCan surveys and also complemented by CAMH, the Centre for Addictions and Mental Health in Ontario, did Ontario specific studies.
00:26:48.700 All really finding the same things, that kids were certainly facing severe anxiety and depression. They were, those rates went up. Rates of reported self-harm or thoughts of suicide did go up amongst youth.
00:27:01.700 And, and that, that is a really, really tragic outcome. The other thing that I found interesting when I was reviewing that survey data, because this was another common refrain that, oh, it's just anxiety because of COVID-19, because of the pandemic.
00:27:15.700 They're afraid of the virus. They're afraid of the impact that the virus is going to have on their loved ones.
00:27:20.700 That was not what the youth survey data showed. It really showed that youth were much more concerned about isolation, family stress from that isolation of being, you know, inside the house, not seeing their friends, missing school.
00:27:35.700 It was not, you know, the fear of COVID-19 of the virus itself was actually quite low on the list of concerns for youth in this survey data. And that is, you know, that's really the tragic outcome is that it wasn't the virus.
00:27:49.700 It was the policy response to the virus by governments, including the Alberta government, that, that really negatively impacted children.
00:27:58.700 So as you said, there was already data on how school closures impact children.
00:28:02.700 Now there's certainly a whole much larger set of data to look at and the impacts.
00:28:09.700 Have you seen indications that governments are going to be embracing this?
00:28:12.700 I'm certain you've been sharing it and sending it their way, but do you think hopefully they've learned from this?
00:28:17.700 So if there's another similar event, they, they won't necessarily react as quickly with school closures.
00:28:22.700 Well, I certainly hope that that is the case.
00:28:25.700 The, the fact is that, you know, there really hasn't been any sort of official national account of school closures.
00:28:33.700 Okay. Let's look at exactly what happened.
00:28:36.700 You know, our, our paper is, is really one of the only of its kind that, that are looking at this.
00:28:42.700 And, and there really hasn't been any kind of government level official assessment of that.
00:28:46.700 And that is sort of a depressing fact.
00:28:48.700 And maybe governments are working on that behind the scenes and I'm not aware of that.
00:28:52.700 But certainly learning from their mistakes would be good.
00:28:55.700 I think that, you know, we, we really, like I, like I said, in terms of the academic student success, you know, we see that there has been learning loss, but it is very preliminary.
00:29:06.700 And we really won't know the full impact of school closures until, you know, maybe 10 or 20 years from now, because effective, even the World Bank has, has data showing that if you actually have missed classroom time for kids, it results in basically years of effective schooling lost.
00:29:28.700 And it's going to be, that it's going to decrease their lifetime earnings at an individual level, and it actually contributes to a decrease in GDP, for the country as a whole.
00:29:42.700 a whole when kids are not in school, the amount that they should be in school, when they're not
00:29:47.840 learning. Of course, you know, I'll give the caveat that there are some kids who probably did really
00:29:53.180 well in this environment that actually discovered that they loved homeschooling or something as a
00:29:58.020 result. But there was a lot of kids whose parents had to continue to go to work. They had nobody at
00:30:03.060 home helping them with their schoolwork. And this is what we see. There are kids who basically
00:30:07.780 disappeared, who just fell out of the school system completely. And so we won't know exactly
00:30:13.060 the societal impacts of that for many years to come. But hopefully governments will pay attention
00:30:17.780 to the fact that school closures are the root issue in a lot of what we are facing today and what we
00:30:24.920 will face in the years to come. Well, I appreciate you guys studying that and compiling it. I mean,
00:30:30.000 we know it's a matter of if and when. There seems to be some people just eager to hit the panic button
00:30:33.880 at every possible opportunity and react to things. At least there's that much more data that, you know,
00:30:39.160 some of us can pull up and say, no, hang on a second. Hang on. This might not be worth it. Here's
00:30:44.600 what happened last time. Let's consider a little further before we do something like closing up a
00:30:49.400 school. There's much more, of course, you covered in that. And it's a great piece. Where can people find
00:30:54.360 the full study and then your other work? Yeah, thanks so much. So they can find the full study. It's called
00:30:59.640 The Forgotten Demographic at fraserinstitute.org. And you can find all of the rest of our education
00:31:05.320 policy work and all the other policy work that we do. I appreciate it. Great. Thanks,
00:31:09.400 Paige. I really appreciate you coming on to talk to us about it. And the, you know, the fact that you
00:31:13.160 guys went in and dug that up. So we have that resource available and we can't undo the past,
00:31:17.800 but hopefully we can learn from it. Thank you. I agree. Great. Thanks. I'll talk to you again. I hope
00:31:22.920 to. So as we said, that was Paige McPherson with the Fraser Institute. And yes, it was a very
00:31:29.320 important piece and a very good one. You know, you can't overstate the amount of impact with kids.
00:31:34.360 It's different with them. They're in a developmental stage. You know, the impact on one of us,
00:31:38.760 a two-, three-year period when you're in your 30s, 40s, 50s, we see the world differently by then. We've
00:31:43.800 developed. It still disrupts our lives. But remember when you were a kid, I mean, a week was an eternity back
00:31:49.880 then. So when you're talking two years of strangeness, of fear, of masking, of closing,
00:31:54.440 of in school and out of school, I think the best analogy of showing the children's view of timelines,
00:32:00.680 we all know as we get older, you know, is looking at life as like a roll of toilet paper. I know it's
00:32:04.120 an odd analogy, but you know, you start pulling it and it just keeps coming and coming. But once you're
00:32:08.120 getting closer and closer to the end, it's going faster and faster. That's your perception of time as a
00:32:12.680 child. That's why a month just seems like years to you when you're a child. And a month blasts by us now
00:32:17.960 that we're, you know, some of us in our 50s. But again, these are times that you can't get back.
00:32:23.400 You know, you can't undo what happened to that child in that period. It's a big percentage of
00:32:29.160 their life was living in that world. I really, you know, children are impressionable. They trust us.
00:32:35.000 They want, I think it's, you know, ingrained into us to be listening to our elders and learning from
00:32:40.680 them. So when they're getting this messaging of, there's a virus that could kill you if you take your
00:32:45.960 mask off, or if you don't wash your hands enough times, you're going to kill your grandma or you
00:32:50.200 know, I mean, that's the sort of things these kids were terrified. I mean, we want to be responsible
00:32:55.240 during the pandemic, I could certainly understand we want to reduce transmission, you want to
00:33:00.040 encourage, you know, common sense ideas, handwashing things like that, but shutting down the schools
00:33:05.480 for weeks and weeks on end. And as we're seeing, we saw very little benefit. If this was a an infection
00:33:12.040 that had been predominantly harming children, that's a different story. If you look at the
00:33:16.600 history of the Spanish flu, for example, actually, it was children were some of the ones getting
00:33:20.600 terribly hit by that flu. That was a different virus. Perhaps closing schools would make a heck
00:33:25.560 of a lot more sense if it was something like that. But we seem to be stuck on this notion that everybody
00:33:31.240 from cradle to elderly grave should have been separated. And we did a lot of damage. And it wasn't
00:33:36.680 just in the schools, you know, that's what got me to I mean, remember the imagery of arresting people
00:33:41.480 for playing hockey for kids for getting out again for socializing for, you know, roped off playgrounds,
00:33:47.160 they filled a skate park in one city with sand, you know, and then so the skateboarders wouldn't get
00:33:53.160 out. It was just insane. And it's like we always say, if we don't learn at least from these past things,
00:33:59.400 though, we will repeat them. There are people ready to panic, we, we see that, and whatever her name
00:34:05.560 is, Neely whatever the unusual school board member out in Ontario, who's always causing a ruckus out
00:34:12.040 there, Kaplan Murr or something like that. But I mean, she is terrified of COVID. She's masked
00:34:18.760 everywhere she goes. She's kind of like Alberta's Dr. Vipon. She's certain there's a boogeyman around
00:34:23.480 every corner. People like her will close a school in a heartbeat given another chance. So, and people
00:34:30.760 fear for the safety of their children. If you're getting told by the authorities, you're getting told by
00:34:33.960 the news, you're getting told by everybody, we have to close these schools for their safety. Well,
00:34:36.920 parents will comply. But the impact is huge. That's what we needed was cost benefit throughout
00:34:42.120 the entire pandemic. And we never did it. We didn't do it before. But at least we're starting to do it
00:34:46.840 after at least the Fraser Institute is so I appreciate that on their part. So okay, I'll turn the page on to
00:34:53.480 something similar, though, and some Dave mentioned that for people across the country might not have
00:34:58.120 heard about it. But yeah, Alberta had a huge E coli breakout in daycares, you know, again,
00:35:02.440 speaking of the safety of our children, and the irony and weirdness of it with a vegan meatloaf
00:35:11.560 being part of the cause the E coli. I mean, it just sounds like it's an oxymoron rate to begin with.
00:35:17.080 But the real meatloaf had infection as well. But it's not funny at all. In reality, hundreds of kids
00:35:23.560 got hit with bad infections. I mean, a number of them were in hospital number of got dialysis,
00:35:29.160 they could have some very permanent, you know, kidney damage, things like that. It's a terrible,
00:35:32.840 terrible mess. And everybody's scrambling and pointing fingers and trying to get to the bottom
00:35:36.760 of that. At least they found the root of it. And I guess we got a caution against overreaction.
00:35:45.400 That was the most appalling and terrible thing we can think of happening with children in care,
00:35:51.000 daycare. I mean, you put your kids there, you don't want them dying of poisoning from bloody food.
00:35:55.160 But people are saying we need more inspectors, we need more cracking down, we need more of this,
00:35:58.440 we need more of that. I listened to one person saying every restaurant and kitchen in the whole
00:36:03.320 province needs to have every employee trained in food safety. Okay, we need to make sure these
00:36:11.320 things don't happen as very little as reasonably possible. I know people say zero, never. Well,
00:36:15.800 that's not going to happen. We can only mitigate, we can minimize. And we do want to keep up like,
00:36:21.800 I owned a pub and restaurant, we were regularly inspected. AHS was very thorough. If we'd have
00:36:26.840 been doing things that were really beyond the pale, we would be shut down. I mean, some people
00:36:31.960 are saying, why wasn't this place shut down earlier? It had roaches that were found in it
00:36:36.360 and some other things. Yeah, there's some questions to be asked. Ironically, I mean,
00:36:40.360 that's an indication of a dirty kitchen. There's no doubt about that. But the roaches probably wouldn't
00:36:44.680 have been the cause of the E. coli. If you really look at the roots of that, I mean, somebody was infected,
00:36:48.040 wasn't washing their hands after using the washroom, they're preparing food. Yeah,
00:36:51.240 disgusting subject matter on a lunch time show. But like everything else, and again,
00:36:57.160 when we get children involved, all I'm saying is, let's not, I mean, we should react strongly,
00:37:02.520 but let's not overreact in the sense of bringing in a bunch more legislation and pressure when we
00:37:07.480 don't necessarily need it. Remember, if you put that expense, as I said, I owned a pub,
00:37:12.920 your average margin in that, it's just like the grocery world, it's like 5%. And if you suddenly
00:37:19.560 put that new staff training cost up where you had to train each and every one of them on that
00:37:23.320 multiple day course in food safety, and there's rules, you have to have some staff members with
00:37:27.320 it so that somebody in that kitchen knows how to properly manage the kitchen, that's already there,
00:37:30.520 and it's good. If you're requiring that for everybody from the dishwasher to the prep cook to the
00:37:36.120 line cooks and everything, you're going to shoot the cost of operation through the roof in a narrow
00:37:40.760 margin business, it will put some restaurants over the edge, and it will put the price of everything
00:37:45.560 up again, everything comes with a cost. So yeah, let's let's find out what happened with the kitchen
00:37:50.920 with those kids and things like that. But let's not let the legislators and bureaucrats go too wild
00:37:56.680 with extra controls to respond to this. Likewise, with school closures, you know, if we're not seeing
00:38:05.080 as much benefit as we should out of it, then then let's not be doing it again. And it depends on the
00:38:11.480 infection, things are different every time, if it's a different bug, we might have a different
00:38:18.200 reaction to it. All right, let's see, let's talk about government efficiency, right? So the Canadian
00:38:23.880 Mortgage and Housing Corporation is one of the announcements, this one kind of just flew away.
00:38:27.880 I mean, as the government talked about it wasn't a bad policy, to be honest,
00:38:31.160 they're talking about giving a GST holiday for the construction of rental projects. But what does
00:38:37.640 that mean exactly? It sounds like if you're building an apartment building, I guess you'll get a GST
00:38:42.120 break on the materials or some of the contracting or services you got when you built it. And it could
00:38:46.920 add up to about 383 million a year. But they have no idea how many units that will actually lead to.
00:38:54.440 Like I said, reducing taxes is always a good thing, it'll always help, it'll bring down the expenses.
00:38:59.080 But they figure the cabinet estimates on how many units this will help facilitate is between the
00:39:03.880 thousands to millions. Yeah, that's how wide the spread is. In other words, they have no idea.
00:39:10.120 But hey, error on the side of tax cuts, guys, I'll give you credit for doing one thing right once in
00:39:14.200 a while, because it doesn't happen bloody often. But yeah, they got no clue, they got no clue.
00:39:18.520 It just matches with everything else this government's doing. They're fumbling along,
00:39:21.880 they're just shooting in all directions, trying to save their own butts at this point.
00:39:28.920 The Post Office, speaking of inefficiency, Canada Post, they kind of made a bit of a comeback. For
00:39:35.320 a few years, they were making a bit of a profit. But now, for some years running, they've been losing
00:39:39.960 and losing and losing. The last year, they lost $548 million. It's time, I think, to really start
00:39:46.840 seriously considering retiring that dinosaur. We don't need it. You know, look at how private
00:39:53.800 industry has filled the void. I mean, we don't need letters like we used to. We don't need paper
00:39:59.000 bills like we used to. I know some people still rely on that stuff. But we can start phasing that
00:40:03.240 out. We really don't need it. You can get everything on your phone now. And as far as packages go and
00:40:08.200 everything, Amazon is delivering directly pure, you know, pure letters, part of Canada Post, you know,
00:40:12.440 but FedEx, all of those other private careers are doing the job. And they're making money.
00:40:17.000 Canada Post, which you would think with such an already established network to be able to deliver
00:40:22.920 packages, should be able to take advantage of this new age of so much online ordering and things being
00:40:27.240 delivered. But no, they can't. They can't efficiently do it. They're too bloated with their unions and
00:40:31.240 inefficiency and old ways of doing things. And they're losing hundreds of millions of dollars a
00:40:35.880 year. Again, government just can't do things right. And they won't. So either way, I just say,
00:40:43.480 let's start looking towards pulling the pin on those guys. We can get to an end on it.
00:40:49.160 Cocaine on a plane. Odd statement in it. You might have seen some of the news. Toronto,
00:40:54.760 the Toronto Sun published a story. I think, you know, it was almost media trolling. Hey, I'm not above
00:41:01.400 trolling on Twitter and social media and things like that to just kind of poke the hornet's nest a
00:41:05.560 little bit and everything. But there was an internet rumor. It started way back when Justin
00:41:10.280 Trudeau, again, like, you know, his constant catastrophes and problems everywhere and everything
00:41:15.840 he does. He got stuck in India for two extra days because his plane broke down. And he was sitting
00:41:19.820 there. And there was a rumor somebody started probably on Facebook or Twitter saying the reason
00:41:23.820 that plane's down is because the Indian authorities found cocaine on it and they're not letting him fly
00:41:28.980 out. It was ridiculous. You know, I think it's impossible that Trudeau was taking coke. It might explain
00:41:35.380 a lot of things, actually. But look, guys, that didn't happen. Even as much as India doesn't like
00:41:41.980 Justin Trudeau, they weren't going to send the drug sniffing dogs on a foreign leader's plane while
00:41:47.040 he's at a G20 summit. Even if there really was a bunch of coke on there, they wouldn't have been in
00:41:51.460 there looking for it. But the Indian media, I did a few interviews on some Indian television networks
00:41:58.080 last week. And it's an experience, I'll tell you. They are very, they're very biased. I mean,
00:42:04.680 all media's got some biases and everything, but holy cow, these guys are really something else. I
00:42:07.840 sat on those panels and it's so torqued and high energy. It was kind of fun to sit on them, but
00:42:12.420 they play very loose with some facts and things. Remember, I am far from a defender of Justin Trudeau.
00:42:19.080 I spend a large part of my shows all the time ripping into him. But somebody on one of those Indian
00:42:24.080 shows the other day said that he had, I love the irony he was playing with it. He said there was
00:42:29.880 credible evidence that there was cocaine on Justin Trudeau's plane. And that's why it was held up.
00:42:35.080 This was a foreign, former diplomat from India. He used the credible evidence term purposely. That
00:42:43.100 was the term that Justin Trudeau used when he stood up and said that India had assassinated somebody on
00:42:49.060 Canadian soil. So there was credible evidence. Well, you need to prove it. And yeah, yes. You
00:42:58.300 know, so Trevor's saying, yeah, India news channels seem to think he was, you know, yes, what I mean,
00:43:02.140 those channels get a lot of traffic. The amount of followers from India I got after doing the,
00:43:06.300 you know, on Twitter and such, after doing those interviews was something else. But don't take that
00:43:11.080 one to the bank, guys. I, you know, there's a million reasons to get rid of Justin Trudeau.
00:43:15.020 So the mythological story of the cocaine on the plane though, is probably not real. As funny as
00:43:22.480 it kind of sounds to begin with. Other stuff up on the Western Standard site, Dave mentioned it
00:43:27.700 earlier with Target. There's a video showing one of the, the mobs, as he said, they're not thieves,
00:43:31.840 they're looters breaking into stores and just stealing everything they can and going to the door.
00:43:36.900 This idiotic left-wing policies of enablement, whether it comes to drug use or shoplifting or any of
00:43:43.880 those things have led, of course, to high crime and high drug use. Yet they still seem mystified
00:43:49.560 about it. So Target, yeah, they're closing stores. In San Francisco, there's, and throughout the West
00:43:53.960 Coast, there's been Walmarts and all sorts of other stores. They're folding up. They're pulling
00:43:58.000 out. They say, we can't do this. We can't make money and it's unsafe to staff. It's a nightmare to
00:44:01.920 work there. And you watch some of those videos. It's disturbing. And then there's the other
00:44:05.720 bleeding heart, piss and moan, and liberals, oh, well, they're, it just shows how hard up people are
00:44:10.700 and they're desperate. No, they aren't. The video showed that in the recent one, it wasn't a food.
00:44:15.820 They were stealing. It wasn't clothing. It wasn't necessities. They went to footlocker because they
00:44:20.180 wanted Nikes. They went to Lululemon because they wanted yoga pants. And they went to the Apple store,
00:44:26.560 not for apples. That's his food. Apple electronic products. Come on guys. They're thieves. They're
00:44:32.380 looters. It's intolerable. And until people start pushing back, these stores are going to keep closing.
00:44:37.860 And guess what? Stores like Target and that, those were ones that helped people who really were on a
00:44:41.980 lower income because they worked with, you know, large volumes of products and they can afford to
00:44:48.140 get things to you cheaper. Now those retail outlets won't be there. Jobs are lost and people are going
00:44:52.800 to pay more prices for goods. Why? Because of idiotic liberal enablement policies of crime. That's why
00:44:59.440 you have to charge people. If they steal things, you have to punish them. Not talking about public
00:45:05.520 whippings and hangings, but you can't let them off with nothing. And that's what's been happening down
00:45:08.740 there. And this is the consequence that anybody with a quarter of a brain could have seen coming,
00:45:12.940 but a quarter of a brain is a big ask when it comes to people in government on either side of
00:45:18.000 our border. One final thing we're seeing is as things heat up, Dave mentioned that too, with the
00:45:22.720 announcements of emissions caps and things like that, this will be something changing the dynamic
00:45:27.280 in Canada because it's been found now that Ontario, the average household, is going to be paying
00:45:33.320 another 3,300 a year if they get rid of natural gas out there. So it's not just Alberta is the
00:45:38.940 big boy anymore. It's going to hurt Ontario. That changes the dynamic. If it was Quebec,
00:45:43.640 we already would have thrown out the emissions caps if they found it was going to hurt them that much.
00:45:47.600 But yes, these caps is banning this idiocy of stopping natural gas. When we sit on that resource,
00:45:52.840 it's costing everybody from coast to coast, including Ontario. And I think, I think if voters are going
00:46:00.660 to push back, this liberal government, this tone deaf government doesn't realize why they're dropping
00:46:04.900 in the polls like a stone. It's things like this. People can't pay the rent. They can't buy food.
00:46:09.420 They can't get mortgages. And you morons are just adding to every expense with your ideological,
00:46:14.980 insane push against the use of fossil fuels, even if they make life affordable and livable.
00:46:20.660 Oh, well, all right. That's all I've got for you this week, guys. Make sure to tune in a little
00:46:25.940 later. The pipeline will be on. It'll be our panel show. We'll cover a lot more of this sort of stuff.
00:46:30.820 And hey, share all this stuff on your social media channels. We need to get it out there.
00:46:34.560 It's important. So I appreciate everybody tuning in with me today. And I'll see you all again next
00:46:40.180 week at this time. And we'll see what sort of new craziness we'll have to rant about.
00:46:46.980 Here's an update on commodity prices in Lethbridge for today. Cash barley remains at 335. Feed wheat is
00:46:52.840 steady at 350. While October corn is unchanged at 350. And November-December corn is trading at 318.
00:46:58.540 In the milling wheat markets, December Minneapolis futures dropped 13.5 cents to 7.53 per bushel,
00:47:05.960 with local hardware at spring bid for October movement at 9.40 per bushel.
00:47:10.040 Looking at canola, November futures added $11.90 at 7.2610 per ton, with delivered buys for October
00:47:17.340 movement at 16.12 per bushel. In the pulse markets, nearby red lentil prices are holding at 36.5 cents per
00:47:24.120 pound, and yellow peas are higher 25 cents at 10.75 a bushel. In the cattle markets, October
00:47:30.500 live cattle are higher 45 cents at 185.25 per hundredweight. For more information on pricing
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