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00:00:00.000 Good day.

00:00:29.240 Hey, welcome to the first episode of the Corey Morgan Show into July, the real summer.

00:00:34.240 I know it starts on June 21st, but I don't really consider it summer until you hit July.

00:00:38.640 And it's toasty out there.

00:00:40.020 It's nice for the people like me who love the heat.

00:00:42.880 I'm just going to enjoy it while I can.

00:00:44.800 We've got lots of time to be cold.

00:00:46.520 Lots going on.

00:00:48.360 We've got a good guest coming on, author Lisa Joy.

00:00:51.900 She wrote the story David Milgard wanted told.

00:00:54.980 Because, yeah, that story's not over, you know.

00:00:56.840 We've got to follow up on these things.

00:00:58.220 We can't let injustices just kind of be forgotten over time.

00:01:02.300 So that's going to be a good chat.

00:01:04.120 We'll be checking in with Grandpa Dave Naylor pretty shortly with some big news.

00:01:08.940 And, well, we'll be having a lot of discussion on other news items, too.

00:01:12.700 One thing I've got to get out of the way, it is a live show.

00:01:15.220 So, yes, use that comment section there.

00:01:18.400 Send me questions, comments, things for my guests.

00:01:21.060 I expect, I'm surprised I haven't seen them there yet.

00:01:24.340 But I may as well get it out of the way from Freedom Honey, Mike Malheur.

00:01:27.700 I was at a function yesterday up in Mirror, Alberta, at the Whistle Stop Cafe.

00:01:33.820 And we had a taste-off showdown for our different brands of honey.

00:01:37.520 My honey from the Prittis area, the Prittis Gold, and his Freedom Honey.

00:01:41.240 And I'm sad to admit, in a decision of 3-0, Mike's Honey won.

00:01:46.640 He does have the best honey in Alberta for now.

00:01:48.800 I'm having a talking, too, with my bees.

00:01:51.160 We're going to improve that product.

00:01:52.600 The judges were Christine Anderson, Derek Smith, and Tamara Leach.

00:01:56.260 So maybe, you know, we can question those judges' judgment as well.

00:01:59.720 But there you are, Mike.

00:02:00.560 I got it out of the way.

00:02:01.620 I admitted it.

00:02:02.940 Your honey's better for now.

00:02:04.500 All right, let's talk about some other things.

00:02:06.460 Food production, livestock, not the flying kind that I deal with.

00:02:11.440 We're about to see just how much economic damage the federal government's willing to inflict upon Canadians

00:02:16.120 to protect the Soviet-style supply management system.

00:02:20.200 I mean, President Trump has put Canada's dairy, poultry, and egg supply management on his hit list.

00:02:25.560 And citizens are going to be paying a high price to keep that system.

00:02:28.640 And it's not as if Canadians aren't already paying a high price to protect the food production cartels in the country.

00:02:32.960 Items like cheese, milk, butter, chicken, and eggs cost families as much as 25% more than they should

00:02:38.500 because the prices are fixed through industry cartels while massive tariffs are imposed upon imported goods.

00:02:45.080 It's a slap in the face to consumers who are struggling already under high grocery bills.

00:02:49.600 It is literally illegal to produce or sell milk and some other products without a government-issued quota under this terrible system.

00:02:56.900 If a producer makes more food than they're allotted to with their government quota, they have to dump it down the drain.

00:03:01.200 They have to destroy it.

00:03:02.000 They can't even give it away.

00:03:03.560 People were shocked when an Ontario farmer released a video showing tens of thousands of litres of milk going down the drain in his operation.

00:03:10.200 The cartels acted quickly.

00:03:11.400 The video was pulled and the farmer vanished from the public eye and he won't do interviews.

00:03:15.540 He'll likely have his licenses pulled if he act up again.

00:03:18.520 Greedy dairy producers would rather see food go down the drain than let citizens have a break on the price. 1.00

00:03:23.100 And while Canadians are suffering from food inflation, over 7 billion litres of milk were dumped and destroyed in the nine years between 2012 and 2021

00:03:30.780 to ensure the prices remain high to protect the dwindling number of dairy producers.

00:03:35.880 This should be a crime.

00:03:36.880 In fact, if this sort of collusion and price fixing was done by any other industry, it would be a crime.

00:03:41.920 And yes, the producers are dwindling.

00:03:43.420 Despite the lie propagated by supply management defenders that the system protects family farms, it does the opposite.

00:03:49.700 In the 1970s, Canada had 140,000 dairy farms.

00:03:53.320 Now there's fewer than 9,200.

00:03:54.520 Only large operations can afford to purchase the quotas and they've been predatorily buying them up for years.

00:04:00.500 Small operations have been squeezed out.

00:04:02.580 And the penalties for running afoul of the supply management policies are harsh and quickly enforced.

00:04:06.640 While violent gun-running repeat offenders are released on bail regularly,

00:04:11.220 an older man in Alberta who committed the crime of selling eggs without a quota

00:04:14.680 had five RCMP cruisers show up on his doorstep and he was jailed for days.

00:04:19.340 Yeah, that's our priorities.

00:04:20.180 Now, on top of all the social and economic damage caused in Canada by the supply management system,

00:04:25.240 the policies could cost the nation billions as Trump increases tariffs on Canadian goods in response to it.

00:04:31.760 Team Kearney went elbows down quickly enough when Trump demanded an end to the digital streaming tax.

00:04:36.920 But they've dug their heels in when it comes to supply management.

00:04:39.760 Indeed, even a number of cowardly Conservative MPs voted in favour of a Bloc Quebecois bill entrenching protection for that policy.

00:04:46.760 So if supply management is such a rotten policy, and it is,

00:04:49.420 why does the government fight so hard to keep it?

00:04:51.980 Well, the hint was in who sponsored that bill to protect it, the Bloc Quebecois.

00:04:55.780 Canada's dairy industry is disproportionately represented by Quebec.

00:04:59.760 A quarter of Canada's dairy production comes from Quebec and the quotas continue to move there.

00:05:04.320 Meanwhile, prairie provinces with massive agricultural industries

00:05:07.260 can't diversify further into dairy, eggs, or poultry due to the quota limitations.

00:05:12.000 It's just one more way the East is screwing the West. 0.97

00:05:13.860 In Canada, equalization is just the easier one to spot.

00:05:16.940 Things like supply management are more subtle.

00:05:18.500 It's hard to say if anything will pacify Trump.

00:05:21.360 He seems to be determined to carry out a trade no matter what Canada does.

00:05:24.120 The nation could capitulate to every demand, and Trump might still impose heavy tariffs.

00:05:28.780 There's little sense, though, giving Trump low-hanging fruit to attack

00:05:31.620 when he tries to leverage more from Canada on trade issues.

00:05:33.940 Canada's federal government has made supply management a hill to die on,

00:05:37.500 and it's done it with the participation of all parties.

00:05:39.480 It's a pretty high price to pay for a small number of well-heeled dairy operations in Quebec.

00:05:45.100 Oh, and I see Freedom Honey checking in there. 1.00

00:05:47.160 Well, you'll have to get to the earlier part of the show for me mentioning the showdown yesterday.

00:05:51.780 All right, well, let's check in with Dave Naylor.

00:05:53.840 I see our news editor.

00:05:54.900 You've got some big breaking news this morning.

00:05:56.620 Oh, big breaking news.

00:05:58.040 John, can we get it up on the screen?

00:06:02.080 Look at that.

00:06:03.380 That magnificent creature is my first grandson.

00:06:06.380 That's Luca Naylor, just after 9 a.m. Mountain Standard Time today,

00:06:12.080 taking his first breaths at Vancouver Hospital.

00:06:16.180 He's got more hair than me, Corey. 0.79

00:06:17.360 He's a hairy little devil. 0.98

00:06:18.580 He is hairy. 0.71

00:06:20.060 Yeah, so that's first son for my son, Matthew, and his wife, Allie.

00:06:25.620 So, yeah, great day in the Naylor family.

00:06:28.560 Well, great.

00:06:29.240 Congratulations to Matthew and yourself and Luca.

00:06:33.100 And just when Derek ran out of scotch, so we couldn't even have a celebratory drink in the office.

00:06:38.740 It looked harder in there.

00:06:39.820 I'm sure there's something I could find.

00:06:42.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:43.500 So that's great news.

00:06:44.720 Bad news for you, losing the honey battle.

00:06:46.640 Yes, I know.

00:06:47.800 As you can see, he was already insufferable, and he's already in the comments.

00:06:51.800 Any skullduggery behind the scenes, bribing of judges or anything like that?

00:06:55.700 I'm afraid.

00:06:56.460 I think I honestly lost the campaign.

00:06:59.400 I just have to admit it.

00:07:01.500 I'm blaming my bees.

00:07:02.580 I'm going to have a stern talcum.

00:07:04.320 I'm going to be solding them and, again, encouraging them to do a better job.

00:07:08.620 We expected more than that.

00:07:09.720 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 Well, there's always next year to get back on the winning trade.

00:07:12.520 Oh, absolutely.

00:07:13.400 I'm not letting this go.

00:07:14.480 Is Freedom Honey doing lip balm, too, like you are?

00:07:18.140 No, no.

00:07:18.740 He doesn't have the courage to diversify his market, though, admittedly, specializing, you know, just in one product, perhaps, it helps him get over the edge.

00:07:25.200 Yeah, when you do have the best honey in Alberta, it makes all the difference, right?

00:07:28.800 Well, I guess maybe it helps.

00:07:30.080 So we got some big provincial news today, Corey.

00:07:34.600 You remember UCP, MLA's Peter Guthrie and Scott Sinclair, they were sort of kicked out of the caucus.

00:07:42.020 They came forward today to say they're going to try and restart the provincial conservative party.

00:07:46.820 Yes, the progressive conservative.

00:07:49.020 The progressive conservative party.

00:07:50.840 So that'll be interesting, going up against the UCP.

00:07:55.880 You know, I don't know.

00:07:57.360 We'll see what happens there.

00:07:58.560 They're going to have to come out with leaders and leadership campaigns and founding conventions or re-founding conventions.

00:08:05.600 Maybe Alison Redford will come back. 1.00

00:08:07.020 Maybe Alison Redford, yeah. 0.95

00:08:08.460 That's Delmac, all the greats of Alberta politics.

00:08:12.300 Some interesting news out of Manitoba.

00:08:15.220 The Fox Lake Cree Nation is being granted approval by the Canadian Energy Regulator to start shipping natural gas out of Hudson Bay.

00:08:24.940 So now we could have two ports, one in BC, one in Manitoba.

00:08:30.280 Yeah, and that's going to be shipped by rail, I guess.

00:08:32.700 They haven't gotten to the P word of pipeline yet.

00:08:35.420 No, it looks like a 150-mile per kilometer railway track to shipping up to the ports.

00:08:42.220 So that's exciting.

00:08:43.240 It's one of them, hopefully, you know, nation-building projects that the Prime Minister has talked about.

00:08:48.240 It's about time.

00:08:49.520 It's about time.

00:08:51.980 Barry Cooper, our erstwhile columnist from the University of Calgary, I believe, has a great column up today on the glory of Theresa Tam and Bonnie Henry getting the Order of Canada. 0.73

00:09:03.860 And how ridiculous it is.

00:09:08.000 The Alberta government has made it easier.

00:09:10.600 They've loosened some rules on alcohol and cannabis sales, including they're going to be speedily granting approval for pedal pubs.

00:09:19.420 So you can, you know, hop on board a bike around your closest brew pub.

00:09:24.400 They've got them already.

00:09:25.920 Yeah, because I hate getting stuck behind those drum pubs.

00:09:27.940 Yeah, but they're sort of making it quicker and easier to do it.

00:09:31.620 I'm not sure you're going to see many of them in winter, though.

00:09:34.300 No, maybe if they put skis on them.

00:09:36.480 But I don't know how many people want a cold beer, right?

00:09:39.340 Whatever.

00:09:40.460 I'm free market.

00:09:41.580 I mean, I'm afraid, you know, I can't indulge in weed or liquor any longer.

00:09:45.660 I abuse my privileges.

00:09:47.760 But, hey, those who can go out and enjoy it, get on them.

00:09:49.980 There you go.

00:09:50.520 And Puff Daddy court today in New York.

00:09:54.380 He was acquitted on all the serious racketeering charges and only found guilty of transportation prostitutes across state lines, which is still, you know, you can get 10 years.

00:10:07.640 But I don't think he'll be doing any more time.

00:10:09.800 And the crowds gathered and celebrated out in front of the courthouse.

00:10:13.600 And women took off their tops and doused themselves with baby oil. 1.00

00:10:17.780 And if you've been following the trial coverage, you'll know what that means.

00:10:21.860 I know.

00:10:22.520 And I just, it's bizarre and disturbing.

00:10:25.760 And I don't know.

00:10:26.900 But, well, news is news.

00:10:28.580 News is news.

00:10:29.100 And news coming up at the bottom of the hour in a few minutes.

00:10:32.540 Daniel Smith, the premier, will be holding a press conference, updating us all on what's happening with policing in Alberta and the move to get rid of those RCMP guys.

00:10:41.480 Ah, yes.

00:10:42.520 And our Jen Hodgson will be there reporting. 0.54

00:10:45.140 Great.

00:10:45.540 They're doing it at the Centre of Creston.

00:10:47.340 The good old MacDougall Centre.

00:10:49.120 We're well-placed for that.

00:10:50.200 A short walk from Western Standard World Headquarters.

00:10:53.180 And Jen knows the walk well. 1.00

00:10:54.420 Yes, she's been there once or twice.

00:10:55.840 All right.

00:10:56.300 Well, thanks for the update.

00:10:57.480 And congrats again, Grandpa.

00:10:58.640 Thank you very much.

00:10:59.800 You're going to get out to the coast soon to be able to see the coast?

00:11:02.000 Yes, certainly will.

00:11:03.540 Certainly will.

00:11:04.380 Excellent.

00:11:04.960 All right.

00:11:05.780 Well, I'll let you get back to catching up on your work so you can start making your arrangements to see your latest.

00:11:12.420 It's all on Facebook now, Corey.

00:11:14.440 That's not the same.

00:11:15.180 It's not the same.

00:11:15.960 I know.

00:11:16.340 But I'm saying that's what I've been doing my morning.

00:11:18.240 Ah, yes.

00:11:18.560 You know, sending up notifications and whatnot.

00:11:21.600 Right on.

00:11:22.380 So, yeah, the picture is already around the world.

00:11:25.760 Ali's from Mexico.

00:11:26.820 So, it's down there.

00:11:27.800 And all my family in England has got it.

00:11:30.440 And, yeah, so it's good stuff.

00:11:32.420 Right on.

00:11:33.280 Okay.

00:11:33.620 Thanks, Dave.

00:11:34.140 You bet.

00:11:34.460 Thanks, Corey.

00:11:34.800 So, yes, D, that is our news editor.

00:11:38.300 I'll just keep calling him Grandpa Dave Naylor.

00:11:40.120 I think that kind of rolls off the tongue well there.

00:11:42.460 But, yeah, lots on the go.

00:11:43.540 Lots being covered.

00:11:44.340 Even though summer's hit, the politics and the news never stops.

00:11:47.740 So, this is where I like to remind folks all the reason we've got all those reporters.

00:11:51.320 We can pay Jen to go running across the road to catch Daniel's press conferences. 1.00

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00:12:20.080 All right.

00:12:20.560 Yes.

00:12:21.920 Lots on the go.

00:12:23.080 So, back to Mike there with Freedom Honey.

00:12:26.040 Yes, the winner.

00:12:26.760 Another congratulations.

00:12:28.040 Congratulations all over the place today. 0.99

00:12:29.840 Except for me and my darned underperforming bees. 0.98

00:12:33.620 Now, if we had a supply management system, perhaps we could force the purchase of my subrate honey. 0.97

00:12:37.580 But I'd rather be competitive and raise the quality of it and bring that up along.

00:12:44.740 So, I mean, it's interesting development.

00:12:46.040 We're seeing that with conservatives, you know, in general.

00:12:49.220 This is what conservatives do to themselves in the party system all the time.

00:12:52.080 But in B.C., we're seeing that conservative members have split over there.

00:12:56.560 They're forming a new party, even though their conservative party came within a hair's breadth of actually winning the last provincial election.

00:13:04.500 But now they've started infighting and splitting amongst themselves.

00:13:07.460 Here in Alberta, Pete Guthrie and Scott Sinclair, as Dave mentioned, they're two MLAs.

00:13:13.620 They're disgruntled.

00:13:14.880 They had grievances with Premier Smith's management.

00:13:17.880 So, they've been sitting as independents and now they're going to reform the progressive conservative party.

00:13:23.420 That's just such a strange approach, even.

00:13:26.440 I mean, the breaking off, as I said, isn't unfamiliar.

00:13:28.740 That just seems to be what conservatives do in general.

00:13:30.980 But to want to revive the PCs of all parties, I mean, they went out in loathing.

00:13:38.360 People were not exactly thrilled with them when they went out the door.

00:13:43.540 When the merger came along under Jason Kenney and formed the UCP, not many people were shedding tears for the old progressive conservatives.

00:13:51.280 That was the party of Alison Redford and her Sky Palace.

00:13:54.500 And it was the party of Ed Stelmack and his attempted gouging on local energy companies.

00:14:00.900 And that was the beginnings of the deficits, the return of the deficits.

00:14:04.760 It was the party that was a dynasty that was in Alberta in power for over 40 years.

00:14:10.660 But you just think maybe if you're going to try to start a new kind of conservative party alternative to the UCP, I don't know if you want to dig up the specter of the progressive conservatives.

00:14:21.840 Federally, you saw the same thing.

00:14:23.300 I think it was David Orchard who kept trying to keep the progressive conservative party alive federally as well out there.

00:14:28.800 They just slowly died on the vine.

00:14:30.820 But the bigger risk in Alberta, we've seen that before.

00:14:33.940 When we get two conservative parties on the block, the NDP tend to win.

00:14:37.980 So the person smiling the most right now as these guys are looking to start a progressive conservative party in Alberta or restart the progressive conservatives is NDP leader Nahed Nenshi, hoping that the vote splits because he's been trailing badly in the polls for quite some time.

00:14:51.140 But if these guys and maybe the Alberta Republicans can take a bite out of the UCP support, maybe Nahed does have a chance of becoming the premier.

00:14:58.480 And boy, if you want to see us become broke, I can't think of a better way to do it.

00:15:02.040 All right, let's get to our guest.

00:15:02.880 I've been looking forward to this.

00:15:03.880 This is a story, you know, I've watched for years.

00:15:06.380 Many of us had, and she's an author of a number of books.

00:15:11.060 Her name is Lisa Joy, and she wrote The Story David Milgaard Wanted Told.

00:15:16.860 And, you know, the story, well, because it isn't over, unfortunately.

00:15:19.820 It's a tragic story, and David Milgaard has passed away, but we still need to examine and talk about it.

00:15:24.800 So let's bring Lisa in. 1.00

00:15:26.800 She's just coming in through audio and discuss this.

00:15:29.920 Hello, Lisa.

00:15:30.700 Are you with us here today?

00:15:32.600 Yeah.

00:15:32.820 Hi, Corey.

00:15:33.460 Thanks for having me.

00:15:34.420 Well, much appreciated.

00:15:36.360 So there are, you know, several stories about David Milgaard.

00:15:40.640 I mean, it's such a striking and, as I said, tragic story, but there's a lot to be told.

00:15:45.860 I guess with your book, what differentiates that from the others at this point?

00:15:50.760 Well, no book has been done since the public inquiry into his wrongful conviction.

00:15:58.380 So I went through the thousands of pages and the documents of that.

00:16:03.620 And, yeah, after, that's what's different, I guess.

00:16:13.120 I just compiled all the pieces of the puzzle into one book, because a lot of the stories

00:16:18.180 that were done after the inquiry, it was before the internet age, right?

00:16:24.020 Mm-hmm.

00:16:24.460 Well, there's not, it was all just in bits and pieces.

00:16:27.240 But when you put it all together in one puzzle, it paints quite a picture.

00:16:33.280 Yeah.

00:16:33.440 Well, and something that's really important with things like this, I mean, you can't undo

00:16:37.760 the past.

00:16:38.880 You can't make up for the years that Mr. Milgaard, you know, had stolen from him, even compensation.

00:16:44.600 I mean, you know, it's understandable to give it to him, but it doesn't bring it back.

00:16:47.280 But the other thing that's important is to make sure that this doesn't happen again, that

00:16:53.660 we look back on it, what went wrong, how did this happen, and then make measures so that

00:16:58.540 we don't have to see it happen again.

00:17:00.300 But that, we kind of, that inquiry happened, and then everything just kind of died on the

00:17:04.040 vine.

00:17:05.240 Well, it's like one of Mr. Milgaard's lawyers said, James Lockyer from Innocence Canada,

00:17:11.900 he said the commissioner they appointed was very pro-police and pro-prosecution.

00:17:18.920 So, I mean, as Lockyer said, it was a whitewash.

00:17:22.660 It was a complete whitewash, the inquiry.

00:17:25.820 Yeah.

00:17:26.360 And I mean, we can't improve anything unless we, you know, admit the errors to begin with.

00:17:31.940 I mean, it doesn't mean it has to be a knock at all police or in convictions.

00:17:35.020 I mean, there's some, some very odious people out there who really belong behind bars, but

00:17:40.500 we just want to make sure we get the, the right ones.

00:17:43.340 And has there been anything that has been a result of this inquiry that changed anything?

00:17:48.620 Um, well, I guess, uh, the commission into the wrongful convictions, right?

00:17:54.540 Which Milgaard pushed for, so that's being created.

00:17:58.880 And did it conclude anything?

00:18:01.340 Well, it got royal assent last year.

00:18:05.060 Okay.

00:18:05.740 So it's still ongoing, this, this commission.

00:18:08.400 Well, it's bill C-40, uh, David and Joyce Milgaard's law, right?

00:18:12.960 Okay.

00:18:13.620 So it did get royal assent.

00:18:16.260 So maybe, uh, to give a little bit of background on, on the issue itself, uh, with David Milgaard,

00:18:22.280 maybe for some of the younger viewers who might not remember it, uh, he was convicted.

00:18:25.960 I, that would be back in the eighties.

00:18:27.680 He spent 23 years wrongly in prison, I believe for, for a murder he didn't commit.

00:18:32.060 Um, he was convicted in 1970.

00:18:34.780 The murder was 1969.

00:18:36.560 Oh, it was that far.

00:18:37.440 Okay.

00:18:37.820 See.

00:18:40.580 And, uh, then, uh, it was, it was through the efforts of his mother over the years and

00:18:44.560 sort of kind of really pushing and following through that, that the government sort of revisited

00:18:49.040 it and looked at it and, and, uh, you know, gave him that chance to finally prove his innocence.

00:18:53.500 It was the media coverage that really turned things around.

00:18:58.780 Um, especially the moment that, uh, Joyce confronted Kim Campbell, right?

00:19:03.100 And Campbell shunned her publicly.

00:19:05.300 That was just broadcast right across Canada.

00:19:09.400 Well, yeah.

00:19:10.140 And it says a lot for an advocate.

00:19:11.580 I mean, if he hadn't had his mother, uh, advocating on his behalf, he probably would

00:19:15.200 still be in jail today while he would have passed away, but, uh, yeah, he would not have

00:19:20.040 got out if it wasn't for her.

00:19:21.260 So they did eventually identify the man who had committed that crime, though, right?

00:19:27.180 Larry Fisher.

00:19:28.540 Yes.

00:19:29.720 And he's passed away now too.

00:19:32.940 He did.

00:19:33.600 Yeah.

00:19:33.880 And he was convicted of, uh, Gail Miller's rape and Miller, rape and murder.

00:19:39.380 Sorry.

00:19:40.700 Uh, so you had, uh, some conversations with, uh, David Milgaard prior to his passing?

00:19:46.100 Yeah, a lot actually.

00:19:47.380 And, um, he'd always asked me if I was recording.

00:19:50.520 Well, he, he would say tape recording.

00:19:52.900 Yeah.

00:19:53.620 So I don't know.

00:19:54.980 It's, uh, I think the media attention towards him kind of died down towards the end and,

00:20:01.080 um, I listened to him.

00:20:03.380 So.

00:20:04.180 Well, and then, uh, you know, yeah, so stories kind of slow down over time, unfortunately,

00:20:08.220 sometimes, and then they become forgotten.

00:20:10.680 That's, that's why these, these books are important.

00:20:12.800 So is a lot of the content within your book then, uh, from these conversations?

00:20:17.020 Yes.

00:20:18.000 Yeah.

00:20:19.040 Are there some highlights you could, uh, share?

00:20:21.780 Highlights?

00:20:22.300 I don't know.

00:20:22.780 Gee, it was such a, um, there's so much, I wouldn't know where to start.

00:20:31.120 Okay.

00:20:31.440 Well, well, the, the, the title of the book is the story David Milgaard wanted told.

00:20:36.220 So, so what exactly in that, that, that sense is there like, what is it that he wanted to

00:20:40.640 get out?

00:20:41.200 Right.

00:20:41.860 Okay.

00:20:42.300 In October of 21, he invited me to a webinar.

00:20:46.180 Um, and it was basically slamming the inquiry into his wrongful conviction.

00:20:53.200 And when I went, I went because out of respect for him.

00:20:57.120 Right.

00:20:58.160 But I thought, well, this is old news.

00:21:00.740 I didn't see the point of it.

00:21:02.600 Right.

00:21:03.460 But when they started talking about it, um, James Lockyer was there, the lawyer, uh, the

00:21:09.720 private investigators who helped reveal a lot of information were there.

00:21:13.340 CBC reporters who helped break a lot of information were there.

00:21:17.040 And what they revealed kind of opened my eyes because I too just thought, well,

00:21:23.200 well, the inquiry settled it all.

00:21:25.320 It was just a mistake, but no, it was more than just a mistake.

00:21:30.980 Yeah.

00:21:32.020 Well, and, and, and that, that, that's part of it, right?

00:21:34.580 I mean, police and prosecutors, we see that in other cases.

00:21:36.800 Sometimes once they set their sights on a particular target, nothing will really drive them away

00:21:41.520 from it, even if the evidence starts changing.

00:21:43.600 So I, I basically, it seems like Milgaard didn't really have a chance once they, they kind

00:21:48.580 of decided that they felt he was the one who did it.

00:21:51.280 He didn't.

00:21:51.860 And he was only 16 years old.

00:21:54.860 I mean, he was a hippie.

00:21:56.600 Uh, he was into petty crime, you know, and he had a bad reputation with, uh, women.

00:22:02.240 So he was just a good target.

00:22:05.480 Yeah.

00:22:05.860 Like, you know, he was just a kid who was, you know, maybe on the wrong side of the tracks,

00:22:09.520 but he wasn't a rapist or a murderer.

00:22:11.100 I, I can't imagine how horrible it would be to spend decades in, in prison, uh, convicted

00:22:15.760 of crimes that awful when you didn't do it.

00:22:18.640 Right.

00:22:19.040 Yeah.

00:22:19.200 It was a nightmare for him for sure.

00:22:22.400 So have, has anybody really ever been held responsible for the, you know, sort of almost

00:22:27.280 a malicious prosecution of him?

00:22:29.040 Um, see, that's, that, that's what bothered him until the end.

00:22:32.880 Nobody was held responsible.

00:22:34.560 No, they haven't.

00:22:35.960 But, um, he launched a civil lawsuit once and he named specific police officers and prosecutors.

00:22:43.220 So in his mind, that's who he blamed.

00:22:45.620 Right.

00:22:47.600 Yes.

00:22:48.040 And, and the thing is with this story, I mean, as you pointed out, it, it happened so long

00:22:52.380 ago, most of the people, including Mr.

00:22:54.100 Milgaard and Fisher and the rest, they're, they're all deceased now.

00:22:57.900 So, I mean, it's not so much getting individuals held responsible, but wanting to get some policy

00:23:03.180 changes to avoid this happening again.

00:23:05.500 Pretty much.

00:23:06.300 Yeah.

00:23:06.880 I mean, when you look at all the pieces and all the things that went wrong, it's just

00:23:13.540 unreal.

00:23:14.120 How, how could it not be a coverup?

00:23:16.880 How could he not have been set up?

00:23:18.800 And like his lawyer, David Asper said, police don't like coincidences.

00:23:24.380 And there's a lot of coincidences in this case.

00:23:27.460 Well, what would the motivation be to cover this up though?

00:23:31.160 Uh, I mean, why would they want to, uh, you know, keep the wrong person incarcerated?

00:23:37.140 Okay.

00:23:38.380 I got to say that without getting myself sued.

00:23:40.980 Oh, I understand.

00:23:41.560 I mean, they messed up with the conviction.

00:23:45.820 And then one of the main prosecutors went on to become an NDP MLA.

00:23:52.960 Okay.

00:23:53.860 Right.

00:23:54.500 And so it became very political, um, that they were trying to protect the NDP MLA allegedly.

00:24:04.640 Yeah.

00:24:05.120 So they basically just kind of wanted this story to die.

00:24:08.040 Yeah.

00:24:10.080 Okay.

00:24:10.600 Well, so, uh, what, what did motivate you though, then to, to get onto this and, and release a new book on it?

00:24:17.100 Well, when, um, he invited me to that webinar, I did do an in-depth piece for SAS Today when I covered crime and courts for SAS Today.

00:24:27.040 But you can't put all the information in, right?

00:24:32.040 So there was so much that you have to leave out.

00:24:35.300 Um, the book is over 300 pages.

00:24:38.280 It's just a lot of information.

00:24:40.840 Um, I guess I just felt like I owed it to him.

00:24:45.700 Well, I appreciate that.

00:24:47.340 And you've written several books, uh, typically on a, on a crime background, right?

00:24:51.780 Yeah.

00:24:52.480 Yeah.

00:24:52.820 I, I did another book on the Tiki Lavadier murder.

00:24:57.040 In North Battleford.

00:24:58.900 Okay.

00:24:59.780 Well, I mean, it's, uh, you know, before, before I let you go then, uh, where can people, uh, find your, your books and get themselves a copy if they choose to?

00:25:06.880 It's on Amazon.

00:25:09.520 Okay.

00:25:09.920 And you, you have a website as well?

00:25:11.720 I do.

00:25:12.760 Lisajoy.org.

00:25:14.680 All right.

00:25:15.320 Well, I, I thank you very much for, for writing this and keeping on it because, you know, these important stories, we, we have to document them and, as I said, try and, try and learn from them.

00:25:23.760 And I, I appreciate you coming on today to, to talk about these things.

00:25:27.040 Well, thanks, Corey.

00:25:28.440 All right.

00:25:28.900 Well, thank you.

00:25:29.560 And, uh, we'll, uh, perhaps talk again sometime soon.

00:25:32.460 Okay.

00:25:32.720 Bye.

00:25:33.260 Okay.

00:25:33.420 Thanks.

00:25:33.940 So that is author Lisa Joy.

00:25:36.080 And she wrote, uh, the story David Milgard wanted told.

00:25:40.340 And, uh, it, it's just, it's, it's, it's a fascinating, tragic and Canadian story.

00:25:45.740 I, you can't really read enough on it because we can't learn enough from it.

00:25:48.400 I, I see one of our commenters, you know, Van Fashens, for example, saying if he had a bad reputation with woman, isn't it also possible that he had indeed raped someone?

00:25:55.960 Maybe not the victim, but it was pretty common in the seventies. 0.81

00:25:57.660 Oh, come on, man.

00:25:59.520 I, I, is it the common rape in the seventies?

00:26:03.860 Maybe more than now, but I mean, we don't convict people on a bad reputation.

00:26:07.520 I mean, we can't say, well, he seemed pretty bad.

00:26:09.420 So he probably got somebody else.

00:26:10.620 So it's okay.

00:26:11.040 Putting them in jail, come on, you, it's the way our system works.

00:26:15.560 You only convict people with evidence and, and you need to be as stringent as possible that that miscarriage of justice, uh, really impacted my thinking on justice a lot.

00:26:29.400 And, and things, and this has worked with conservatives.

00:26:31.540 I, uh, have had debates before because I oppose capital punishment very much.

00:26:38.340 So, and it's not that I have sympathy for some of the horrific, terrible people who are behind bars and not that I like the idea of spending money to keep some of those awful, uh, violent and, and, and torturous people alive behind bars.

00:26:52.540 But I just don't trust our government to do something as irreversible as execute somebody.

00:27:00.860 I mean, come on, we don't trust our government.

00:27:02.480 But that's kind of a theme of a lot of our readers and followers, you know, on these broadcasts and everything.

00:27:08.800 Why do you want to give those guys the ability to execute citizens? 1.00

00:27:13.720 And people say, oh, DNA proves everything.

00:27:16.400 No, it doesn't guys.

00:27:17.680 No, it doesn't.

00:27:18.540 In fact, there was quite a case in the Eastern States with a lab that was compromised and samples were contaminated.

00:27:25.900 And, and all sorts of things happened.

00:27:28.640 So in fact, DNA can do the opposite. 0.54

00:27:31.460 If it's a contaminated DNA sample and they say, look, the DNA proved that this person did this crime, we should execute them.

00:27:38.160 Well, even with DNA, an innocent person could be killed.

00:27:41.780 It's, I, I, as I said, and it just, I just can't put myself in the shoes of Milgard. 0.68

00:27:46.800 Think of spending over 20 years of your young life in prison knowing you didn't do it.

00:27:53.820 But then he could have been executed.

00:27:57.000 At least he did eventually get released.

00:27:59.560 He did get some compensation, did get to live for a while free.

00:28:03.180 If they had executed him and people say, oh, we'll only execute when we're a hundred percent sure.

00:28:07.860 Guys, we're never a hundred percent sure.

00:28:09.840 Never.

00:28:10.800 I don't trust our court system.

00:28:12.540 I don't trust our government to be a hundred percent.

00:28:16.440 I want to see life sentences.

00:28:18.220 I'd like to see people, you know, some of these horrible people, mass murders, multiple murders, child molesters.

00:28:23.380 I want to see the doors welded shut on their cells. 0.75

00:28:27.340 I want to be confident that they're going to die of old age in prison.

00:28:30.660 But if it does turn out that this was wrong, at least you can try to undo a little bit of the damage that's there.

00:28:39.720 I just think it's one of those areas where conservatives, they kind of study a little harder.

00:28:44.420 How can you say over and over and over again that you can't stand government?

00:28:47.360 You can't stand government overreach.

00:28:48.620 You don't trust government.

00:28:49.460 Oh, but let's give them the power to execute people. 1.00

00:28:52.580 Well, hang on. 0.55

00:28:53.680 Right?

00:28:53.920 Like they don't even get your taxes right.

00:28:56.080 And we know that the government doesn't always have our interests in mind, nor the prosecutors.

00:29:01.240 And as Lisa pointed out, it gets politicized.

00:29:04.840 Right?

00:29:05.560 So there was a, it sounds like a prosecutor who had political aspirations to become in provincial government over there.

00:29:12.260 We see it with Tamara Leach, who we saw the other day.

00:29:16.700 I still like her, even if she did judge my honey poorly yesterday.

00:29:21.020 But look at this.

00:29:22.840 The longest mischief trial in Canadian history. 0.94

00:29:26.360 It's ridiculous.

00:29:27.240 It's been years. 0.92

00:29:28.180 It's mischief.

00:29:29.040 And she's still waiting on the sentencing on this.

00:29:32.680 And the words during that, when they kept putting her in and refusing bail.

00:29:37.800 Why?

00:29:38.920 It had nothing to do with her being a risk to public safety, which is the point of holding somebody at least pretrial.

00:29:45.120 If it looks like they're going to harm somebody, then yes, you don't give them bail.

00:29:49.260 It was political.

00:29:50.580 They wanted to make an example of her.

00:29:52.960 And they still do.

00:29:54.040 She embarrassed the government, her and, and, and Barbara.

00:29:58.900 So they're using the power of the government to try and stomp down contrary view.

00:30:04.460 They're not using that power to protect us from risk or harm.

00:30:09.580 So again, I ask, when you look at the nature of the government, at the nature of the prosecution,

00:30:15.140 do you really want them having the ability to execute people?

00:30:19.900 And I say, no, absolutely not.

00:30:23.000 But, uh, I mean, it's just brutal with what they've done with Leach and Barber.

00:30:28.760 Again, I mean, that's what you're supposed to be asking yourself, right?

00:30:31.300 If these people were let out, I mean, we, we can agree that they committed a crime, perhaps they committed mischief, fine, things like that.

00:30:38.220 But are these crimes that really need somebody to spend years in court and possibly years in jail?

00:30:45.680 When we do have violent, violent offenders, sex offenders, and others being released all the time, our system is messed up.

00:30:53.460 So unless you were, uh, much more confident in the ability of the government, I just don't have that much confidence.

00:30:59.320 I don't want them to have capital punishment ability.

00:31:02.780 Uh, was that pointed out from a commenter?

00:31:05.360 Uh, Derek from, uh, from unacceptable fringe also voted against my honey.

00:31:09.020 It shows how corrupt the system is.

00:31:10.260 Yeah, there you go.

00:31:11.080 And Christina Anderson voted, uh, uh, in favor of Mike's honey as well.

00:31:15.160 So I lost on three counts, even, uh, uh, member of the European parliament, unfortunately, judged in favor of that.

00:31:22.220 Maybe it's those weird European tastes.

00:31:23.560 I don't know.

00:31:24.980 Uh, you know, the Vant Fashions pointing out saying, yeah, my grandfather was a judge.

00:31:30.000 I was, uh, supposed to go into law.

00:31:31.620 The problem is there's law and there's justice and never the twain shall meet.

00:31:34.580 Uh, the legal system is just another of the state mechanism and that's it.

00:31:38.340 You know, there, there's the problem.

00:31:39.620 Um, and I, I do believe that a lot of the efforts within the legal system and the, whether it's justice or legal are genuine.

00:31:46.680 I think most of the judges really do take their jobs seriously.

00:31:49.800 Most of the prosecutors, most of the defenders, but we're having difficulty.

00:31:53.420 It seems distinguishing between the people that we really need to keep incarcerated and, uh, you know, the, the ones that just aren't providing a, or presenting a harm to people.

00:32:03.000 And it's always going to be, uh, a push back and forth on that.

00:32:07.240 I mean, the, you know, legislation law in general, it's, it's fluid and, uh, things are going to, uh, just have to keep working on things.

00:32:17.140 All right.

00:32:17.580 Let's have a look at things again, back to the trade deal.

00:32:20.160 Right.

00:32:20.720 It's funny.

00:32:21.580 Elbows up, elbows down.

00:32:23.340 It looks like Carney managed to elbow himself in the face.

00:32:27.060 Uh, I, I got a little bit of sympathy for Carney, not much, but I got, you know, I hate to say it, but I don't know if Polly would be doing much better right now. 0.75

00:32:36.160 With trade with president Trump, because Trump just does what Trump will do.

00:32:43.080 I don't know if, uh, as I said, it kind of in my monologue, even if, if the policies for, uh, the supply management, you know, and, and the, the digital, uh, services tax were thrown out immediately.

00:32:55.820 I think Trump would just find something else and keep pushing, but he's giving them easy targets, but boy, look how fast that digital service tax, that, that hill to die on.

00:33:04.320 They were screaming.

00:33:04.940 There's no way we're going to back off on that.

00:33:06.780 We're not getting rid of it.

00:33:07.760 It's going to bring in billions.

00:33:08.740 It's so important.

00:33:09.720 And it protects Canadians, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:33:12.240 And, uh, they dropped it in a heartbeat because Trump said, Hey, we are up, uh, you know, all trade deals are off because of that.

00:33:21.420 And then now it's supply management.

00:33:23.260 But I mean, you get rid of supply management.

00:33:24.720 I got a feeling Trump's going to find something else.

00:33:26.260 I think we should get rid of supply management just because it's a crappy policy.

00:33:28.840 It doesn't have much to do with Trump, but Carney's not having an easy time yet.

00:33:32.720 You look at the polls and guess what?

00:33:34.400 At least in Eastern Canada, the liberals are climbing in the polls.

00:33:37.940 They like where Carney's going.

00:33:39.380 I don't know what Carney's doing.

00:33:40.660 I don't know if Carney knows what Carney's doing, but central Canada loves their liberals.

00:33:46.900 Uh, Pat Dodd saying, uh, Corey, thanks.

00:33:49.320 I'm an Alberta separatist.

00:33:50.220 I believe Alberta is the best place on earth.

00:33:51.540 And after we, uh, you know, become independent, we will be again with hard work, stronger laws, bring back capital punishment.

00:33:57.680 See, I, I totally disagree with that, Pat.

00:33:59.460 I, I, not, not the whole statement, but the bringing back capital punishment.

00:34:02.720 I do not want politicians having the ability to kill me.

00:34:06.480 None of them, none of them, whether it's an independence, one or another, I want justice reform.

00:34:11.120 I want to see child molesters go away forever, but I just, they'll screw up guys.

00:34:17.360 This is governments we're talking about.

00:34:19.120 Governments screw up, even the ones you like.

00:34:21.680 And, uh, it's just a matter of time.

00:34:25.180 Uh, you know, Dave was talking about that earlier too.

00:34:27.820 So here's some of the stuff we're going to have to see coming out of, uh, uh, if we want to talk about it, the independence movement, if we want to talk about the frustration and what's going on in the West, Carney talking about getting rid of interprovincial trade barriers.

00:34:42.040 And he's saying he's gotten rid of a bunch.

00:34:43.500 Well, guess what?

00:34:43.920 One of them is supply management because you can't trade those products across the borders because of the supply management system.

00:34:48.980 So Carney lied there.

00:34:49.880 He's not getting rid of it.

00:34:51.380 Uh, the other thing though, is getting pipelines.

00:34:53.960 Are we ever going to get them?

00:34:55.000 Are we going to get more product to market?

00:34:56.380 So as Dave mentioned, there's that group that's looking to bring liquid natural gas to Hudson's Bay by rail, and it's an indigenous group.

00:35:04.360 And that's an interesting approach to it because the government uses the indigenous groups to hide behind as a reason not to approve anything. 0.90

00:35:13.420 But now this is an indigenous owned initiative to get it up there.

00:35:17.340 So what do they do?

00:35:18.560 I think this one might get across the line.

00:35:21.800 I've talked to their, uh, principals before on that particular group.

00:35:25.760 I think it's called Niestenan and they're looking to bring liquid natural gas to the coast.

00:35:30.580 Uh, will it get done though? 0.97

00:35:33.460 We've got so many layers and layers of crap because then there's other indigenous groups. 1.00

00:35:37.320 This is, I was looking at stories in BC and across the country, bill, uh, C-5 and then another bill in BC, these infrastructure bills. 0.98

00:35:45.060 And first they say, first nations are concerned about the environment and their rights. 0.76

00:35:47.680 Oh, baloney.

00:35:48.740 I'm getting tired of it.

00:35:49.620 You know what?

00:35:49.860 They're shaking people down.

00:35:51.300 That's what it's come to now.

00:35:52.660 It's just a shakedown.

00:35:53.740 Guess what?

00:35:54.580 Most of them oppose everything.

00:35:58.040 Everything.

00:35:58.700 They oppose it on principle.

00:35:59.800 And somehow it always gets solved with enough of a payment, but it's harming all of us and it's driving investment away and we can't get anything done.

00:36:09.700 It's about the environment. 0.99

00:36:11.040 My ass, you know, pipelines. 1.00

00:36:14.680 Most people don't even realize how many pipelines there are. 1.00

00:36:18.740 Get out there and have a look around.

00:36:20.540 Drive a highway, especially out west where we got a lot of oil and gas.

00:36:23.640 And you see those little signs on the side and you realize there's high pressure oil and gas pipelines all over the place.

00:36:29.820 There's tens of thousands.

00:36:30.960 I think there's hundreds of thousands of kilometers of pipelines in Canada.

00:36:34.060 Guys, they don't do much harm.

00:36:36.440 You drive over those, those pipes are in the middle of farm fields.

00:36:40.100 You don't know they're there.

00:36:42.300 They have next to no impact.

00:36:44.120 What the environmentalist nutcases hate is the oil and gas itself. 0.98

00:36:50.200 I mean, ask Quebec how it went with rail, with the oil, when that train blew up over there.

00:36:56.420 I mean, yes, some pipes rupture, but again, it's a 99.9% safety rate with pipes and getting product to an area.

00:37:04.420 And what impact?

00:37:05.380 Look at the impact of a road cut through the mountains, even the bush, what you've got to do to build that road, even a narrow gravel road.

00:37:14.780 You've got to cut the bush.

00:37:16.360 You've got to put the gravel down.

00:37:18.940 You've got to, you know, build the roadbed.

00:37:21.080 And then after that, you've got vehicles coming up and down that road, blasting back and forth on it.

00:37:25.240 They can run over animals, birds, insects, you name it. 0.52

00:37:28.240 They're putting dust all over everything.

00:37:29.920 And they're giving access to more recreation or hunting or just abuse in general or people who might start fires or all sorts of things.

00:37:39.700 There's way, way more impact from a little gravel road going into the bush than a major pipeline.

00:37:46.060 The Trans Mountain expansion.

00:37:47.520 You go in the bush over in Alberta or BC and all you see is a wide cut line and it's not drivable.

00:37:53.760 It's not accessible.

00:37:54.560 And it's not leaking.

00:37:56.880 The first Trans Mountain line, because this was an expansion of it, that's all it was, was putting a pipe next to another pipe.

00:38:04.400 That pipe ran safely since the 1950s.

00:38:07.260 Guys, there is not an environmental hazard from pipelines.

00:38:10.420 There are real environmental problems out there.

00:38:12.620 There are real impacts that happen from bad practices, but pipelines aren't part of it.

00:38:20.240 Do they leak occasionally?

00:38:21.380 Yes, we've got to make sure that doesn't happen.

00:38:24.080 But these pipelines in and of themselves, what does it do?

00:38:27.340 And the native bands that are lighting their hair on fire, some of them aren't even within 100 kilometers of the line.

00:38:33.340 It's money, guys.

00:38:34.260 It's money.

00:38:35.720 Pay me off or you aren't getting a pipe.

00:38:37.740 You've got to stop it.

00:38:38.700 You know, it's time to start saying too bad.

00:38:40.800 But it's time to start realistically interpreting the treaties.

00:38:46.040 There's nothing in the bloody treaties that says they have a say over that.

00:38:49.720 There's a duty to consult.

00:38:52.080 And that's if Carney really wants to get stuff done, he has to say, we don't need your consent. 0.99

00:38:59.060 Don't have to be in their face and jerk about it. 0.98

00:39:00.580 We will consult you. 0.99

00:39:01.640 We'll sit down in good faith.

00:39:02.840 We want to talk about it.

00:39:03.780 We want to hear your concerns.

00:39:05.560 But in the end, you don't get to say no.

00:39:08.880 But he won't say that because he's a wimp.

00:39:10.800 He had one of his ministers actually did say that.

00:39:14.080 Fraser.

00:39:14.540 He came out and said consent isn't required.

00:39:16.940 And he actually apologized for saying that later.

00:39:19.420 He apologized for telling the truth.

00:39:21.640 So how are we going to get anything done?

00:39:24.460 That's, let's see.

00:39:26.940 You know, yeah.

00:39:27.340 There's Van Fashen's pointing out.

00:39:28.580 BC and Quebec dump raw sewage into the oceans and rivers.

00:39:31.120 And it's true. 0.56

00:39:32.460 You know, Ontario has tire dumps.

00:39:34.260 Alberta has a toxic waste treatment plant.

00:39:36.080 There's all sorts of environmental problems, real ones.

00:39:41.360 And that's one that nobody ever talks about.

00:39:43.000 Because why?

00:39:43.720 Well, Victoria is the beautiful leftist land, right?

00:39:45.920 Lotus land out there, the left coast.

00:39:47.820 They're dumping raw sewage straight into the ocean, guys.

00:39:50.720 They've been doing it for decades.

00:39:52.920 Out in Quebec.

00:39:55.020 Yeah, they dump it right into the river regularly.

00:39:57.240 And we're talking billions of gallons of poo.

00:40:01.080 But we're the bad guys out here in Alberta?

00:40:04.080 I don't think so.

00:40:05.120 And, you know, those were the ways we changed it out here.

00:40:06.860 I grew up in Banff.

00:40:08.200 You know, I'll give one of those side stories.

00:40:09.520 I was a kid in Banff.

00:40:10.180 We used to go by the Banff Springs Hotel and fishing downstream in the river from the golf course.

00:40:17.100 And Banff used to just dump its sewage in just straight.

00:40:19.460 That's the way it was.

00:40:20.160 You dumped it into the Bow River.

00:40:21.600 And I guess it filtered out enough or they figured it would by the time I got to Calgary.

00:40:24.880 Now, that's in the late 70s.

00:40:26.740 We used to catch huge trout down from there.

00:40:28.460 You never ate those.

00:40:29.160 Once you threw them back, we'd call them turd snappers.

00:40:30.780 But, you know, the big bugs and everything that would grow in the river thanks to the sewage were something else.

00:40:35.080 And that's in a national park.

00:40:36.340 But we fixed it.

00:40:37.560 We spent millions and millions of dollars.

00:40:38.980 We built plants.

00:40:39.680 We do not do that out here.

00:40:42.480 But we're the bad guys because we want to have pipelines.

00:40:45.740 Yet deathly silence while Quebec still continues the policies of dumping raw sewage that we got rid of 40 years ago out here.

00:40:53.400 And Victoria does on the West Coast.

00:40:55.520 Cyril Arnold saying, should only have to consult the First Nations whose territory is being crossed, just like the landowners who have oil and gas leases on their land.

00:41:02.740 Exactly.

00:41:04.200 Exactly.

00:41:05.300 And the way that this, you know, the legislation, court rulings, and some of the baloney comes along.

00:41:10.000 It talks about traditional territories.

00:41:12.580 Well, everything's traditional territory eventually.

00:41:14.780 I'm sure some of my ancestors' traditional territories were somewhere over in Germany or Scotland or wherever.

00:41:20.800 It doesn't mean I have entitlement to what's happening over there now.

00:41:25.300 And if it is actually on a reserve, then absolutely, that's their land.

00:41:29.720 And they should be very well compensated, consulted, and maybe even actually on that particular chunk of land have the right to say no.

00:41:36.900 And if they say no on a reserve, that's fine.

00:41:38.600 You build it right around them and don't give them any money.

00:41:40.440 And that's the way it works.

00:41:42.640 But we don't need consent offside of those, outside of those, or we're just not going to get stuff done.

00:41:50.760 We're never going to get it done.

00:41:54.200 Here's Carney again.

00:41:55.580 This is where things are getting a little bizarre as well, right?

00:41:58.280 So he keeps talking about tightening our relationship with Europe.

00:42:02.000 I mean, okay, I'm okay with Europe to some degree, but they're never going to be the trade partner in the United States.

00:42:07.720 It's just geographically, plus their purchasing power, their needs.

00:42:11.160 But he's really on this thing.

00:42:12.500 We should be looking at the EU.

00:42:13.700 And of course, you know, CBC, CTV, the usual legacy media trash on how brilliant that is and how we should move closer with them.

00:42:21.640 I don't know about that.

00:42:22.940 But it's funny.

00:42:23.760 He's now committed to spending 5% of our GDP on the military.

00:42:29.700 This might be good.

00:42:30.660 This might be bad.

00:42:32.540 But we're getting up. 0.51

00:42:33.680 That's a lot of bloody money.

00:42:35.180 We haven't been able to get past 1.4%.

00:42:37.840 Now, the jury's going to be out and whether or not that's going to be well spent, or are we just going to get more tampons for the men's rooms on the military basis?

00:42:47.680 I'm cynical.

00:42:48.660 I got to admit.

00:42:49.220 But it's funny.

00:42:51.060 I wanted to see us getting up to that 2% because I think, you know, as a nation, Canada should have been just at least holding its own.

00:42:57.280 But then they've done this jump to 5.

00:43:00.540 Wait a minute.

00:43:02.580 Are we going to become a military nation?

00:43:05.940 That's absurd.

00:43:06.860 But he's trying to buy favor with Europe.

00:43:09.780 You see, that's a NATO commitment.

00:43:10.940 He's not talking about taking part in North American defense.

00:43:14.300 He's talking about more of the European thing.

00:43:16.120 He's really hung up on things out there.

00:43:18.960 And I worry about that.

00:43:21.060 And where are they going to get the money?

00:43:23.060 This is something interesting from the Canadian Center for Policy Alternatives.

00:43:26.360 It's a left-left-left-wing union think tank.

00:43:29.120 They're socialists, these guys.

00:43:30.820 But they're pretty upset because even they can crush the numbers.

00:43:33.600 And they're saying, well, the liberal government's plan to find these billions of dollars in operating efficiencies.

00:43:37.580 Even the Center for Policy Alternatives said it would require a 24% cut in the public service.

00:43:43.920 Good.

00:43:45.320 Good.

00:43:46.020 Cut more. 0.73

00:43:46.860 But they won't.

00:43:48.200 They won't.

00:43:49.100 They're terrified of that.

00:43:50.280 They won't actually do it.

00:43:52.400 So what's Carney going to do?

00:43:53.860 He's going to print more money.

00:43:56.080 It's been the liberal policy for 10 years.

00:43:58.200 You know, I did a lot of I told you so's over COVID with the lockdowns and people saying, well, don't worry.

00:44:05.880 We got the CERB checks and the business bailouts.

00:44:09.020 We'll be all right.

00:44:10.120 They didn't understand.

00:44:11.400 As I was pointing out at that time, guys, when you spend like this, inflation will follow.

00:44:17.260 It's just a rule as solid as gravity.

00:44:19.680 And sure enough, after COVID, the cost of everything shot through the roof.

00:44:25.100 Go figure.

00:44:26.320 But they're pretending they don't understand why that happened.

00:44:29.800 And everybody was expressing shock and they were blaming grocery stores for gouging or energy companies for this and that.

00:44:36.100 No, it's from the government pouring fiat currency into the system.

00:44:40.300 From the supposed economic genius of Carney who was giving advice to Trudeau saying, just print money and things will get better.

00:44:47.500 Well, that's what they're doing now.

00:44:49.860 And things are not going to get better.

00:44:53.420 So he's going to carry on with this policy.

00:44:55.840 Meanwhile, the breadbasket, the West, he's expecting us to pay the bills, the producing provinces. 0.74

00:45:02.540 It's an ugly formula, guys.

00:45:04.180 That's why the independence movement is growing.

00:45:06.460 We've got just more of the same, a different package.

00:45:10.260 And Central Canada seems to like the new package, but the policies haven't changed.

00:45:13.480 And the outcome isn't going to change either.

00:45:15.060 All I'd say, I'm not a great financial advisor, but I'd say buy some precious metals and get your stuff hedged, guys.

00:45:23.280 Because, again, the price of things hasn't gone up.

00:45:25.860 The purchasing power of the Canadian dollar has gone down.

00:45:28.960 And when you start to think of it that way, then you realize where the problem is.

00:45:32.920 All right, I'll leave off on that, guys.

00:45:34.940 Get out, enjoy some of that good weather.

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00:45:38.620 The pipeline is going to be on with a few of us on the panel.

00:45:40.600 We'll break down a few more issues.

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00:45:47.160 Thank you for supporting the Western Standard and for tuning in today.

00:45:50.460 And, Mike Malor, I'll catch up to you with that honey yet.

00:45:54.380 You all have a good one, and I'll catch you on the next show.

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CORY MORGAN SHOW： Dying on the hill for Quebec’s dairy industry

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