CORY MORGAN SHOW： Impossible indigenous consultation requirements will tear Canada to shreds
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In this episode of the Corey Morgan Show, host Corey Morgan talks to Dennis Kalsalma, a new member of the Alberta Transition Council, about the ongoing Kinder Morgan project, the Kamloops school scandal, and the Kinder Morgan pipeline project.
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we got yet another packed one boy stuff is just going on these days uh plenty to choose from on
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news items to cover and things to ramble about a little while as well i'm going to have dennis
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kalma on the show as a guest he's one of the principals of a new group with called alberta
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transition council it's it's with keith wilson and it's another organization moving promoting and
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and getting the independence message forward and out there, which is good because the Alberta
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Prosperity Project's vanished. I don't know what happened to them. They haven't updated their site
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in four months. There's a campaign going and there's a referendum on the way and they've
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gone to ground. Maybe Mr. Calum will be able to tell us a little about that as well. So first
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though, let's get on with some of what's happening out here and what's going to be going. We've got
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also yes it's the fifth anniversary of the claim that 215 children were buried at the Kamloops
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residential school site and in five whole years nobody's managed to get a shovel out and confirm
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or deny whether anything's underground but let's all observe the the biggest hoax in Canadian
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history and I'll keep calling it that until somebody gets a shovel up and actually says
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what's going on there but uh oh going further with that it turns out my teleprompter has got
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last week's monologue in it. So I'm going to read this from my laptop and pardon my
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looking down as I go. Everything else is off the cuff except for these monologues and I do
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want to go into that. Good to see you there, Valerie. So yes, the ever-shifting goalposts
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are what constitutes adequate consultation with Indigenous bands on pretty much any action of the
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government these days are crippling the nation economically and socially until the actual
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obligations of the country to Indigenous people are definitively defined. No substantive policy
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initiatives or infrastructure projects are ever going to come into being in this country.
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The duty to consult, we hear so much about it, the duty to consult Indigenous people isn't within
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the Constitution, actually, if you look at it. Section 35, it's a short and straightforward
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segment of the document. I'm going to read it verbatim. It states,
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the existing Aboriginal and treaty rights of the Aboriginal peoples of Canada are hereby
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recognized and affirmed okay in this act aboriginal peoples of canada include indian inuit metis
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peoples of canada good for greater certainty in subsection one treaty rights includes the rights
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they now that now exist by way of land claims agreements or maybe so acquired yes read the
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treaties they're pretty straightforward too number four notwithstanding any other provision of this
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act the aboriginal treaty rights referred to as subsection one are guaranteed equally to male and
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female persons. That's it. Nowhere does it say consult within that text. It certainly doesn't
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say consent. The duty to consult we keep hearing about is a judge-made constitutional obligation
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developed by the Supreme Court of Canada. This is in a ruling regarding the Haida ban in 2004.
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The Supreme Court said when the Crown, federal or provincial government in other words,
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contemplates conduct that might adversely affect an established or potential
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aboriginal or treaty rights it has a duty to consult the affected indigenous groups that's it
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still judicial activists adding to our constitution the nature nature of canada system
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though follows the living tree doctrine it's a principle of constitutional interpretation that
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views canada's constitution is a dynamic evolving document rather than one frozen in time it's a nice
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ideal but it's empowered activist judges to veritably rewrite the document not in a good way
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The definition of what may or may not impact treaty rights hasn't been clarified,
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and it dumps the onus of consultation on pretty much everything. Treaties don't confirm any rights
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outside of reserves, actually, aside from hunting and fishing access. But as usual, the courts have
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read in all sorts of implicit rights, which have created a quagmire. Even trying to build a new
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golf course distance from any reserve lands could become a constitutional nightmare. The principle
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of consultation is simple on its face. Consult means to seek advice, information, or input
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from somebody before deciding on something. When looking at that definition, it sounds
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well-meaning and should be easy to achieve. The problem is that the courts continue to
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shut down projects and claim there hasn't been enough consultation, though they won't
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say how much is enough. The attempts by Kinder Morgan to get approval for the Trans Mountain
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expansion or a prime example of this. They held hundreds of public and private meetings. They
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invited every Indigenous person in Western Canada to add input. They met with every chief they could
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find, and they hired countless consultants to try and reach out. Despite this, they were constantly
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told it just wasn't enough. In the end, they said, well, fine, to hell with you, and they pulled out
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of Canada. Can you blame them? Activists in courts have blurred the line between consultant consent.
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even if the bar for consultation was finally defined and met by a person company or government
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trying to go through the process some indigenous person or another is going to refuse to offer
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their consent on the deal and it'll get scuttled unanimous consent consent is impossible to reach
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and no authorities have the courage to finally tell indigenous activists we've done our due
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diligence and we're going to go ahead now whether you like it or not if we ever want to get things
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done the response to these opponents really has to start getting this blunt when i was in the oil
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field, the process of consultation uses a form of extortion by the bands. When I was doing
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advanced work on seismic projects, we would have to get nearby Indigenous bands to sign off on
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these consultation process and these forms. Now, while technically we only needed to consult,
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we couldn't do a thing until we had that signature. Well, in other words, we needed
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consent. And garnering consent typically meant ensuring the chief was well compensated through
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hiring his or her preferred contractors and perhaps giving some salaried position to some
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folks, even if they didn't really actually do anything. Sometimes the compensation was a little
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more direct. You can understand what I'm saying here. In the end, though, it just led to killing
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workers. The companies gave up and pulled out of the region. Anybody in the oil field knows about
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this. Now, a province can't even hold a democratic referendum without the permission of a handful of
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chiefs representing a portion of a small ethnic minority within the country. Canada has given
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race-based de facto veto authority to representatives of some of the most socially
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dysfunctional communities on the continent. It's a recipe for disaster politically and
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economically, and it's going to come to a head if this issue isn't resolved, and it could end
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terribly if resolution doesn't come soon. The rule we need to find legally is that consultation
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does not mean consent, and if the majority continues to stymie the democratic rights of
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majority the frustration might lead to the majority asserting itself in extrajudicial ways
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and in such a circumstance everybody loses all right well that's my ranting about consultation
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and all that good stuff let's check in and see what else is happening with our news editor dave
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nailer hey teleprompter horror i know not a good way to start the show i don't like to let the
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world know that i opened that monologue reading a teleprompter i did i thought you'd memorize i do
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write my own stuff no i know when you read i just you memorize the whole thing well not quite maybe
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i gotta start if i'm gonna keep giving uh john the wrong files at the start of the day hey welcome
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back well thanks you've been uh exploring deepest darkest saskatchewan for a week there's a lot of
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miles on this last few days yes uh regina saskatoon and swift current see anything exciting you go
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kawaii piney hills for example not really no a lot it's a nice drive it's nice out there this
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time of year i think i saw one of your tweets you were very impressed with the downtown somewhere
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yeah that was moose jaw i went i had time before going to support i was talking to john about that
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too he'd gone out there you know they got the tunnels and everything like the bone tunnels yeah
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i didn't have time to get into the tunnels but the downtown itself is actually for a prairie town you
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wouldn't know it driving off the highway loads of old brick buildings and restaurants and galleries
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So I explored for a bit before my next speaking engagement.
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Knocked the dust off it and brought some things up and added some pages and reissued it for
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I am in the presence of greatness without a doubt.
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which one the fifth anniversary of the graves oh yes yes it's a certainly one worth celebrating
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interpreting well yeah we're uh our alex zolton bc reporter is actually on the ground in victoria
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right now there's a big rally led by our francis widdowson uh commemorating the fifth anniversary
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so if that goes as they always seem to go she's going to end up getting arrested
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and a small mob will uh will assemble so that should be good fun uh alex uh alex is out there
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and the other good story of the day is gilbo yes the biggest thorn in alberta side for a decade
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is gone he's going he's going going gone uh leaving the liberal caucus and resigning his seat
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as soon as the summer recess hits which is uh just a couple days away i i love it i looked
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at mark carney's you know statement on x and everything in the picture you know thank you
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you for your service we really appreciate your time it's just the political motions they all go
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through but we know this wasn't a happy parting this is gilbo saying i can't stay with you you
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guys have drifted too far towards uh and in a way you got to admire him for standing up for his
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conventions he does do that i mean he's he's not like gladu for example who can flip overnight and
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turn from one of the most conservative members of parliament to a loving liberal uh yeah you know
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there's words for people like that yeah um forgot what i was gonna say oh do you where do you think
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he's gonna go the un or china i don't know or as he said he's he's true to his principles he might
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take up the local chapter for greenpeace again and start doing protests and stunts again i mean
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that seems to be where he's happiest yeah premier smith better get slopes on her roof and keep the
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guy up yeah i mean he's got a parliamentary pension now so i mean he'll have plenty of time
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to go around and do whatever he pleases yeah exactly i want to talk about another good story
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we have today courtesy uh franco and the boys at the ctf they've got freedom of information requests
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back on what carny spends on food on his airplane trips you know it's when he flies it's not like he
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gets a west jet cracker or a cookie no and to be honest they're pretty good but you know for a
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three-hour flight you'd need a little bit more so he spent 195 000 on food for his flights
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uh which would you know feed a canadian family for four for decades uh some of the stuff that
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he ate was veal escalope i don't even know what that means i don't know veal escalope some sort
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of calf yeah i don't know what escalope is and if that doesn't uh inspire you there's beef tenderloin
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in bordelais sauce and see beef tenderloin these days i've only heard about it i haven't eaten
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that well we can't afford it you need to take a mortgage to get beef tenderloin i can barely get
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a hamburger no exactly it's it's ridiculous and uh scottish salmon filet is the domestic salmon
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just aren't well yeah you don't want to you gotta import it from scott you gotta marinate that in a
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whiskey or something and uh when you're all uh you know filled with that though you got cream brulee
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for dessert oh well that's important so yeah compare that to a west jet cookie yeah you'll
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throw some salted peanuts at you if you're having a good flight yeah so 195 grand on three flights
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spent 93 grand on one trip to rome and just for comparison when trudeau did a similar trip
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he only spent 43 grand yeah make sure to look cheap that makes yeah true to look like a tight
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wad carney is out of control well he likes he likes the royal lifestyle yeah he's gonna have
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it for a while apparently he's still as popular as ever in most of canada yeah who can explain
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that i don't know not me not me either all right that's it that's all you got well i know there's
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plenty more you'll be back and working on so i'll let you get back to it i appreciate the updates
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and uh we'll see you on the pipeline you bet good luck with the uh teleprompter right thanks dave
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All right. That is our news editor, Dave Naylor. As you can see, he works without a teleprompter. And now you see I am. I'm honestly ad libbing. I've got some notes here, but you're seeing the pure unfiltered me. So I want to talk about something. I usually talk about subscriptions right now, but I want to talk about something new with the Western Standard.
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you're getting up to become politically active because guys like him were actually close to
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the halls of power in Canada for a long time. All right, let's get on to our guest. I see him in
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the lobby there. Great to have him come in here. Dennis Kalma of the newly formed Alberta Transition
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Council. And well, I'm busy. So thanks for joining us today, Dennis. I really appreciate you taking
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some time to talk to us. Thanks for having me on the show. Much appreciated. So, I mean, I guess
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So the intent of the Transition Council is to map out a detailed plan
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that covers a period of time from when we win the referendum
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until the country is stood up and operates on its own apart from Canada.
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And by putting in processes in place and functions in place
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to keep paying the bills, keep sending out the pension checks and so forth
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until such time as the future legislature of Alberta
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can essentially replace them with the long-term solutions.
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So it's not an attempt to set long-term policy.
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until the long-term policies can be established and put into place.
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Great. So, I mean, you've got what you're going to be calling a white paper.
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I guess that'll be a document sort of showing a lot of the details
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and requirements and things that we would be working towards in an independent west yeah so
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we've got about 15 subject areas uh which we call domains there are things like immigration
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banking and monetary um indigenous affairs and so forth and each one of those areas is being
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examined by a team of experts between three and six people who are going through and saying okay
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how do we handle immigration over the transition time and they're going to write essentially a
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small white paper about 20 odd pages that'll actually cover exactly what do we do and how
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do we do it some will be complex because there's something to replace pick on military
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and the defense is one that's got more complexity to it others might be much simpler so then that
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will be combined into a large document that will be sort of the handbook or guide the white paper
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that essentially sets out the plan by which we run an independent Alberta
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What are some of the resources you're using for a source to sort of build this?
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Are you using any of the material that Quebec did a heck of a lot of this
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have you incorporated some of that into these or are you planning to?
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So the folks that we're engaging, these are really experts in their field.
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There are people that have been, in some cases, writing policy in Ottawa, who have been plugged into the Quebec situation, and they're taking that knowledge and expertise and applying it to the Alberta case.
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So really, me personally, I'm counting on those experts to understand what's been done, what resources to examine, and then what to write down into their respective white paper.
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And with yourself, you'd done a lot of work already on the value of freedom and other things with the Alberta Prosperity Project prior to this.
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Is this sort of a similar exercise or this is getting a little more detailed, I guess, into some of the transitional items that would have to be hit later on?
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Well, I feel, first of all, I'm a geek and a nerd.
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I'm not the type of guy to go around knocking doors and whatever.
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But I can think through problems and write up documents that make sense.
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So I've been on a transition essentially from the initial value of freedom document,
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which did the fiscal planning, which led naturally enough into the constitution development.
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And I was the editor for that, yet to be released, I might add.
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And then as the questioning went on, people said, oh, okay, great.
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And when Keith asked me to participate and help him, I said, sure, why not?
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So for folks unfamiliar, Keith Wilson is another one of the principals with this organization and group that's getting going.
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Now, Keith's been more visible and outspoken in promoting independence lately.
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He was in the recent debate and things like that.
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But that's almost a more campaigning sort of role.
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Is this a campaigning type of organization or is it an educational one or is it both?
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uh how would you kind of define what this is so this is this is actually more like a think tank
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it's it's people assessing the problem and saying how do we solve this and we're not going to be
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campaigning we're not knocking doors what we are going to do at some point is publish the
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documentation have it reviewed by experts obviously make materials that explain it to
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the average person who isn't interested in some of these uh details and uh uh do that that's
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that's where etc really will come to a stopping point and we'll consider what to do after that
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great um so i mean as i've done a lot of you know uh events speaking at and promoting you know
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independence and moving towards uh uh hopefully converting people into that concept or idea
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altogether a lot of the issues are people just have a heck of a lot of questions what about this
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what about that how would we do this how would we do that uh the time is running fast now as we're
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looking at one question perhaps hitting albertans this fall i imagine you guys are working as fast
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as you can but you're going to be prioritizing some of these things like what are some of the
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main areas that you've already sort of worked on and defined and filled in some of those those
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voids and questions or what are some of the ones that are going to be coming so we we we're working
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on all of them right now none of them are completed we're seeing some really good progress in the
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banking and currency domain. We're also seeing some really good progress in the air navigation
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and air traffic control domain. And one element that I haven't spoken to but is relevant is the
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process by which we ratify a constitution. And I would say the thinking on that's basically
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completed. Has to be put to paper yet, but that's where we're at. The other ones, in some cases,
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we're still bringing on a few more people on board, the team will be about 50 people by time
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we're done. So it's not like it's a, it's a small endeavor. Yeah. And that, that process to ratify
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a constitution, that's a monster and kind of a big one to explain to some people, uh, you know,
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like, like, let's say walking down the timeline, let's say Alberta had voted and, and, uh, you
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know, overwhelmingly had supported independence. We're moving towards that. Uh, there would be a
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constitutional convention and what would that involve like you know because a lot of people
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never really thought this far along and and you know they aren't political geeks like ourselves
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to uh kind of have a basis or a concept of that what are you guys envisioning with uh
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laying out what that means well what we do not want is to have a bunch of people in a closed room
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deciding on behalf of the people of Alberta so we're anticipating there'll be multiple groups
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some representations ranging from obviously existing government to groups of citizens who
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have an interest. There'll be a process by which we have to get maybe not unanimity,
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but certainly alignment from each of the relevant groups. And then ultimately it'll have to go to
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the people for visibility and ultimate ratification. So the main thing we want to avoid is this will
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not be a political party locking themselves in a room and saying, okay, Alberta, here's your
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Constitution. Hope you like it. It's going to be a public process. It's going to be a transparent
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process. It'll be a democratic process. Great. And as you said, you're going to be pulling
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together people with experience and such to contribute to this and build those white papers
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and things like that so that there's a good blueprint, I guess, going in when it gets to
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that point of holding a constitutional convention. In the meantime, though, I mean, how do you guys
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stay visible are there going to be events with this group or or uh is there going to be an online
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presence discussions things like that like in the that sense of i i know you can't have a thousand
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people contribute to the super you're going to get a heck of a mess but you still want to have as
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as much uh input from others as you can too like what's what's the communication strategy so so
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we'll be doing some communication the main thing to notice is what the timeline is we're not seeing
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this dragging out for months and months right now our target is roughly the middle of july
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to have the first solid draft out and that draft of course will go for public uh review and input
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and feedback um there's a reviewing process prior to that but that's a more limited one with people
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that are plugged in so that'll go out in the public um it'll be examined at that point and
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obviously we take feedback all right and as an organization uh you know in that name of
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transparency and such uh it's a a non-profit society or what's the structure of what this
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group is well it is not a third party uh advertiser it is a volunteer run organization
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that has got its purpose to pull together that transition plan all of us are volunteers great
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and in that you know just to make sure things are clarified because i got a feeling there's
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going to be a lot of confusion and and things like that as we move towards a referendum i'm
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seeing groups springing up all over the place uh mostly on the federalist side but there i'm
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certain there's going to be others something changes when you uh become a third party advertiser
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right like you guys aren't aspiring to be that but how is it then just to clarify why you were not a
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third party advertiser well for one thing we're all volunteer we're literally a bunch of guys
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working together so uh keith has done the legal work on that and and you know we're not we're not
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spending money we're not collecting money we're not taking donations we're not advertising for a
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cause we're just saying here's the technical means by which we undertake this uh transition so there
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will be other groups standing up but i'm aware of several that are being set up to be third-party
00:24:44.080
advertisers that will go through all those controls and reporting to elections alberta and so forth
00:24:49.380
those are the guys that'll be doing you know door knocking and buying advertisements and so on and
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so forth but uh we're just gonna be a bunch of nerds basically working away and i like that and
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as you said, it's a think tank role. So just for others who aren't familiar, you know, more like
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Fraser Institute or, or some of those others that come up with, you know, papers and policies and
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ideas and notions. And as I said, good geekery, but hopefully translated down to a point where
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your, your layperson can read it and digest it. But I mean, these things do cost money. You're
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saying you're not taking contributions. I mean, I would imagine you could still handle some
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input I mean you know just to keep things rolling. At this point I would say no I mean that could
00:25:33.760
change I mean maybe when it's all done we have to bind a bunch of books together and send them
00:25:39.720
out to the world I mean but that's in the future right now we met for example this week already
00:25:45.340
and had discussions we're all there on our own nickel it's not a problem. Well that's good to
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know um i guess you know how else would you suggest though that people could uh support
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aside from money just your endeavor in general you know ways of spreading the word or or offering
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input to you guys or or you know participating in any ways are there things that the because
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everybody kind of wants to get a i see a commenter saying you know how do i help with things in
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general how could people help your group well i i think they can um if there are people that have
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subject area knowledge like deep knowledge and have you know say hey i think i know how to do
00:26:23.520
a good transition on this certainly they can contact me and uh you know i'm happy to consider
00:26:29.420
them right now we're we're we're looking okay in terms of people but uh the big ask will be
00:26:36.100
once we publish and then we do want people that we haven't talked to at that point and say okay
00:26:43.320
yeah you missed this and what about that that's really the big point of contribution
00:26:47.240
the other folks the third party advertiser groups being stood up that'll be more of a place for
00:26:53.160
a lot of folks to go as well great and then I guess just for how to folks finding you and maybe
00:26:59.460
that's how people can help as well you know social media like share all of that good stuff you've got
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a website I imagine there's an x presence maybe on Facebook as well where can people find the
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groups so they can see these items when they start getting published so there's a website coming up
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it should be released pretty quickly there'll be contact information on that and we're on x and
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i just heard anything i'll send you the the link actually corey i forget it at the moment
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because there's various links and that's a path by which people can get to us as well
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great and just so you know i yeah it is up there albertatransitional uh albertatransitioncouncil.com
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and it does have a note in the top right saying information you know letting people know that
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it's on the go, but not fully filled out, but it's great.
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You know, the, just as we know for the internet and so on, the earlier people
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are getting on there, getting that traffic, getting your spots.
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Then when the real content starts filling in, you guys will be reaching that many more.
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So I appreciate you coming on to share that with us.
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Is there more you'd like to add before I let you go?
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Well, I think the main thing that I want to restate is we're not doing
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every one of the processes we consider has been done is being done today by Canada and many other
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countries. So this is not rocket science. There is no problem we're seeing now that can't be managed
00:28:18.320
in an effective way. Great. I appreciate and like that attitude. And I'm just glad you guys are
00:28:24.360
filling in those voids. I'll have a resource when I'm doing those public speaking events now for
00:28:28.260
more of those spots because people hit me with all those questions. And as you said, it's not
00:28:31.920
written in stone, but there's still going to be a lot of things that I could say, well, here's a
00:28:35.900
good document or plan on what you were asking about in particular that maybe shed some light
00:28:40.200
on it and make you more confident feeling that we're moving towards something with a plan rather
00:28:43.400
than sort of let's tear it all down and see what we can build afterwards out of the blue. So thank
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you very much for the work and please keep me updated, you know, as you guys come up with stuff
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and I'll certainly happily share it when I can. Thanks so much, Corey. Thanks for having us on
00:28:57.880
the show. Great. Good to talk to you. So guys, one more time, that is Dennis Kalma of the Alberta
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Transition Council. So if you look it up, you'll find the site, you'll find that presence on X and
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you'll see those updates coming from Dennis and all those others working on it. And it's really
00:29:13.580
important stuff. It's not the flashy, I guess, you know, campaigning things. It's certainly not
00:29:18.580
Thomas Lukastic blasting around in a dated motor home and doing his weird pillow talk things.
00:29:24.800
this is getting more to the nuts and bolts and important things. I'm one of the ones that goes
00:29:30.020
around speaking at these events. Dennis does as well. A great one down in Queensland. But
00:29:35.260
sometimes I've got to often say to people, I don't know, when they ask a question, what would we do
00:29:41.000
in circumstance A or circumstance B? I got to say, well, I don't know. We're kind of working on it.
00:29:45.420
This is what could happen over here. This is what might not happen over here. But having a more
00:29:50.960
structured response in these white papers will be really helpful for those of us making that
00:29:56.060
promotion out there. And just for people in general to understand, we're not asking everybody
00:30:00.680
to jump into a void. We're looking at making a change that will lead to something. Uh, you know,
00:30:08.540
and then I'm seeing, you know, some of the commenters, great to see you guys there. Uh,
00:30:13.280
Valerie saying, this is the groundwork that needs to be done. And it's true. And I appreciate Dennis
00:30:17.620
and and the others and keith stepping up to do it um and uh where did i see it you know tommy
00:30:24.340
saying how can i help independence i mean there's lots and lots of ways uh all the way down from
00:30:29.140
being an individual who's just trying to promote it to sharing i mean that's that that's a great
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structure of social media where you can share these resources things like that with other people
00:30:39.300
uh wild uh 1957 flowers saying uh show your your best contact would be through the app that's alberta
00:30:46.820
a prosperity project. It's interesting with APP and they've done an incredible amount of ground
00:30:51.320
work and things. But as I was just noting before the show, I'm not sure what's up. I checked out
00:30:56.140
their website. They haven't put an update up in four months. The campaign is sort of going right
00:31:00.680
now. I'd say reach out to them, ask what's up, see what's happening, because they certainly had
00:31:05.200
the organizational structure before. They're the largest independence group in Alberta by far.
00:31:10.320
But as this campaign's unrolling, they've sort of dropped off the map and I'm not sure what's
00:31:14.900
going on with them. I'd suggest you reach out to them and ask because I think at this point people
00:31:20.000
really should be getting organized and together and working on a campaign and we don't have a
00:31:24.900
structure for it yet. LZGP saying door knocking is addictive, lots of fun. I met some wonderful
00:31:30.080
people volunteering in the past. Door knocking, you know, when it comes to campaigning is one of
00:31:35.600
those art forms. Some people really love it and it's great when they do. I have to admit, I always
00:31:40.840
saw it as a necessary evil but a very important one i see the benefit of it and it's one of those
00:31:45.080
things like so many others once you start actually doing it and you get over your discomfort or
00:31:49.840
getting outside of your comfort zone and you meet a few people and realize this actually yeah this
00:31:53.680
isn't so bad that's something you can look forward to once in a while you'll get a door where
00:31:56.580
somebody's just gonna slam it in your face or chew you out but you know what there's one of those
00:32:01.320
things for that typical canadian politeness 99 of people even if they don't agree with you in
00:32:05.720
canada will just politely say i'm not interested and move along and you can keep moving on and
00:32:09.980
meeting, you know, like-minded people and doing things like that. Tommy Tempershow saying,
00:32:16.340
I'm going to put an Alberta flag on my golf cart and drive around Southern Lake. There's one of
00:32:20.520
the things I've talked about with passive campaigning. And I talked about that in
00:32:24.000
Saskatchewan. And I want to mention it, that Alberta identity. I had to write some stuff
00:32:27.540
this morning too, because there was a, I do that Alberta fact check exercise with another
00:32:32.820
organization and I put articles out and they'd like denying that Alberta has a culture. They
00:32:38.660
like denying that Alberta has an identity. They say it's just about money. They say it's just about
00:32:42.300
oil, like Blanchett said. And that's just not true at all. Alberta definitely has a distinct culture
00:32:47.360
and identity. It's not as easily spotted and seen as in Quebec, where you have a language to make
00:32:53.060
it right clear off the bat. Saskatchewan has their own distinct identity. I was just driving through
00:32:57.180
there. They're very similar to Alberta, where there were certainly close siblings, but they're
00:33:01.800
a distinct entity of their own. But you got to set it up and promote it. And I worked all over North
00:33:07.440
America when I was in the oil field, you know, anywhere there was oil and gas, I got there up to
00:33:11.300
Inuvik, down to Louisiana, over through the Marcellus play out in West Virginia and upstate
00:33:17.560
New York. I worked in all those places. One commonality that I saw, one thing that was
00:33:22.280
interesting, you see American flags all over the place in the USA. They're very patriotic down
00:33:26.020
there. People put them in front of their houses all the time. You see state flags on government
00:33:30.760
buildings and in front of some businesses, things like that around parks. But it's only in two
00:33:36.940
places where I see state or provincial flags on private households all the time. And that's
00:33:43.020
Alberta and Texas. You can't go anywhere in Texas. You can't go three blocks without knowing you're
00:33:48.480
in Texas because somebody's house will have that Texan flag out front. And Alberta, not as
00:33:53.700
predominant as Texas, but you do see loads of Alberta flags flying in front of houses, farms,
00:33:59.200
private households, and so on. You see that displayed on their vehicles. You see it displayed
00:34:03.260
it on their wear. There should be, you know, even a Tommy, maybe I'll put it on a golf cart.
00:34:07.940
It's really kind of important and it's indicative. It's something different. It doesn't mean a person
00:34:12.140
necessarily even supports independence, but it shows I identify as an Albertan. I celebrate
00:34:16.940
my identity as an Albertan. I will put that out and display it. And more and more people should.
00:34:24.820
It's not even the same as putting a lawn sign in front of your place saying, vote this way or vote
00:34:28.640
that way, vote this party, vote that party. It's just saying, Hey, I'm Albertan and I want to show
00:34:33.040
that off or a front license plate thing or all those different ways you can do it. And I suggested
00:34:38.700
that when I was speaking at those Saskatchewan meetings, they got a nice flag out there too.
00:34:42.420
You know, they got Rough Riders flags everywhere. Hey, good on you guys. Well, you should have a
00:34:45.800
provincial flag next to that as well. It's a similar showing of pride, but that's another
00:34:51.280
way to campaign. As Tommy was talking about little ways, little ways to start conversations
00:34:55.740
with your neighbors and things like that. Tommy Tipper says, what do you think for the future
00:34:59.960
that Alberta independence should do and office rally structure program in the future. I don't
00:35:06.000
know. There's a lot to unpack and unfold. We've got a lot of frustration, a lot of confusion.
00:35:11.340
The question that it looks like we're going to be facing in October is a terrible one. I've said
00:35:17.560
that in past videos, my own videos. I mean, it's a convoluted word salad that's sort of based on
00:35:23.320
what Lukasik put out and then sort of offering another option to move farther forward in the
00:35:28.180
second half, but it is what we have. And we should push on it as hard as we can. The bottom line is,
00:35:34.540
and Keith Wilson sort of made that clear, is even if it's not ideal, it's an opportunity.
00:35:41.100
And I kind of agree with him too, something I didn't like saying or having to agree with, but
00:35:45.240
I don't, I mean, most polls, even from the Western Standard Rebel, it's not just legacy media,
00:35:50.920
have found that there's not a majority support for independence yet. There isn't. It doesn't
00:35:55.340
mean it can't change or wouldn't change between now and a question being answered. But with a
00:35:59.700
year of a lot of hard work, a lot of groundwork, a lot of petitioning and everything going on,
00:36:03.440
it seems like it solidified the existing 30 some percent very well. But that mushy middle that
00:36:09.900
everybody wanted to get to hasn't budged an inch. It's actually about the same now as it was a year
00:36:14.480
ago. And a recent poll from Angus Reid, the first one done since the new question was out,
00:36:20.740
showed a jump of about five or seven percent support towards the independent side. That's
00:36:26.160
the first jump in that kind of support we've seen. And I think it reflects a bit of what Keith was
00:36:31.360
talking about, saying, you know what, this gives an opportunity to campaign on a softer question.
00:36:36.760
Yeah, it's non-binding and that's frustrating, but it makes it a lot more winnable.
00:36:40.700
It makes it where you can reach out to people, say, this is where you can express yourself,
00:36:43.920
put Ottawa on notice, give them the middle finger and say, we've had it, we're standing up.
00:36:50.740
this question allows you to do that. The other option is to sit on our heels and let the other
00:36:56.680
side take it. And when are we going to get another chance in that case? We should be pushing on this
00:37:02.760
and winning it definitively. Get that next move. I know the road to independence isn't a straight
00:37:07.780
line. It's a bunch of curves. It's a bunch of hurdles. It's a bunch of roadblocks. If anybody
00:37:12.100
ever told you it was going to be easy, they were lying to you. If you thought it was easy, well,
00:37:16.220
you're probably lying to yourself but that's okay we can get beyond that but we should be hitting
00:37:21.700
this referendum with all guns doing everything we can to get as strong a positive vote as we can
00:37:29.600
even if it's not the ideal circumstance that we wanted to have um and and some people are are
00:37:37.160
concerning themselves more with going after the provincial government trying to tear daniel smith
00:37:43.280
out of power, things like that, dedicating energy resources. I understand why people are frustrated
00:37:47.840
with her. I would have rather seen better balanced budgets. I'm wondering where the heck our
00:37:52.060
provincial police force went. Uh, you know, I mean, we've got some sheriffs expanding. That's
00:37:56.980
good. But what about the pension plan? Where the heck is that thing? Come on. We've talked about
00:38:00.120
that for years. We can do this. Uh, and of course her very much federalist almost campaign lately,
00:38:07.800
but she still has offered a lot more mechanisms for being able to get this to the question
00:38:13.960
to Albertans than we've ever seen out of any premier in the past perfect not even close
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but are we helping the cause of independence by dedicating four months to trying to rip her out
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of power as some people want to I don't think so I think that's if you got a problem with her fair
00:38:29.820
enough lots of people do save it until October 20th I mean you can still speak up and do things
00:38:34.820
but absolutely and be critical. But you've only got so much energy. You know, LZGP saying exactly
00:38:41.560
focus energy elsewhere is my thought. Like you only have so much. You only have so much time.
00:38:46.060
You only have so many resources and it takes time and resources. People have compared it to when
00:38:50.500
Jason Kenney was brought down years ago. Fair. But remember what happened then. Hundreds of
00:38:56.780
meetings had to be held to organize that push actually to get it done. I don't know how many
00:39:01.240
hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent, whether directly or indirectly, but to build
00:39:05.580
that momentum and campaign and then hold that meeting and all of the emotional energy,
00:39:10.480
the intellectual energy, all of those things, volunteers, people working all to bring down
00:39:15.180
Jason Kenney. If you had to replicate that and do it again by this August, all of that is being
00:39:22.120
directed towards there. And all of that is being directed away from a campaign to get a positive
00:39:26.500
vote on October 19th, which means you're definitely not going to get. Meanwhile,
00:39:32.240
Lukasik is staying focused on having people vote for his question. Stephen Carter has got his little
00:39:38.100
group. He's fired out there now. Another one with Matt Solberg is out there now. These groups are
00:39:43.120
sprouting up like daisies. They're hitting the ground running. They're putting campaign signs
00:39:46.800
out. They're making their case. And we're having an internal discussion on whether or not we should
00:39:51.580
rip the premier out of power. Guess who's going to win on October 19th if this trend continues?
00:39:57.700
So let's focus, guys. Focus. Get on this. Set aside the personal grudges and gripes
00:40:03.420
and see how we can get things done. Lori Dodd saying, I think that instead of focusing on
00:40:09.160
Smith, focus on making the independence movement more time to expose the useless MOU. Absolutely.
00:40:13.980
That's another frustrating thing. It does feel like our premier's just letting herself be strung
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along on an MOU for a pipeline we know is never going to happen. But guess what? Every time she
00:40:23.400
goes out and fails on one of these, we actually get more independent supporters. You know, people
00:40:27.960
are realizing, wow, this, it really demonstrates the futility of trying to play within the structure
00:40:32.840
and framework that we were given. So let her carry on doing those things. What's the worst that could
00:40:38.680
happen? She actually gets a pipeline in. Okay, I'm fine with that. Guess what? We'll get the pipeline
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But for now, we've got a question ahead of us, a weird one,
00:40:49.960
but it is one where we can express and move things closer towards independence
00:40:54.940
It's turned into a de facto vote on independence anyway.
00:40:59.840
The federalists are already framing it as an independence referendum.
00:41:03.660
The media is framing it as an independence referendum.
00:41:09.840
The citizens in general are looking at it as such.
00:41:12.880
And if it comes in with 20% support, this movement's dead for a while, guys.
00:41:18.460
We've got to get a strong, and I think we can win this, especially as Keith had pointed out.
00:41:24.020
It's a much easier case to make to people right now when we're still, admittedly, early in the phases of this whole process, this unprecedented process,
00:41:31.860
when we can say to people, you can safely put your vote in now on this and make your expression.
00:41:41.320
And then we'd make the campaign for the big question, the real question, the binding question,
00:41:45.100
the constitutional question. Uh, Blaine, uh, Sitter saying, uh, Carney got his carbon tax
00:41:52.180
pipeline. We'll get discussed later. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. You know, he got his carbon tax
00:41:55.920
though. Uh, what else, you know, uh, uh, another one's shame on Smith is right. Yeah. Well,
00:42:03.500
yeah. These negotiations maybe not been good, but you know, again, you got multiple opportunities.
00:42:07.840
There's an annual general meeting not long after the referendum is going to be held.
00:42:13.160
That's a good time to express yourself to the party.
00:42:18.260
And there'll be an election within a year after that.
00:42:25.000
You know, this was something that came up and Sheila was talking about that gun read on her show today.
00:42:29.700
And there was another thing I was looking at, but there was a hot mic moment.
00:42:31.860
I don't know if people saw it, but Prime Minister Carney was caught saying when he walked away from a conference
00:43:04.800
But he felt Smith should have just thrown her hands up
00:43:13.440
The true Federalists don't want this to go to the question at all.
00:43:23.140
he was defending the Alberta independence referendum.
00:43:26.520
You see, it's being framed as that already anyways.
00:43:32.080
and uh you know here's an interesting one with a different group uh Keith Wilson was speaking
00:43:39.980
uh Fergus Hodgson was holding that there's a video up that's really good of that with
00:43:44.060
and uh one of the statements he says Alberta independence we can't rely solely on grassroots
00:43:50.040
enthusiasm and volunteer activism uh if it's going to succeed uh but he laid out what we have
00:43:57.140
to do and what has to get done and how to move forward he's showing some leadership he's really
00:44:01.540
emerged. He's been planning. He stood up for the debate with Kenny. Eventually we'll see what
00:44:06.260
happens with that debate. I like that Kenny sat out to do it, even though I'm sure it's, you know,
00:44:11.620
he's just going to give more platitudes and fear-mongering and everything when that video
00:44:14.980
gets released, whatever he said at that debate. But it does actually add credibility to the
00:44:19.200
movement. It shows they're taking it seriously. It shows they do realize that this needs to be
00:44:25.160
campaigned about even from their side. That means there's potential on our side, but we've got to
00:44:30.300
stand up and take it. We take hold of it, make it work. Campaign. This won't do it on its own.
00:44:39.540
Mark Carney got up and said 50% plus one wouldn't be good enough for a win in a referendum. Again,
00:44:46.180
see, we are leading the conversation in this whole country. We are. Alberta is. And because
00:44:49.980
of this referendum. And then a couple of weeks ago, one of his members of parliament said
00:44:55.620
repeatedly to a block member that 50% one, 50% plus one is the bar. So his own government doesn't
00:45:02.820
know what they're doing, if they're coming or going, they don't know how to respond to this.
00:45:06.680
But as I said, the question's coming. It's turned into a discussion and a question on independence.
00:45:14.500
Embrace it, quit fighting it, make lemonade from the lemons, all the platitudes and good stuff,
00:45:19.080
guys, because we have a real opportunity here and we can make some change. All right. Thank you very
00:45:23.780
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00:45:41.820
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00:45:46.280
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00:45:51.200
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