Western Standard - Cory Morgan Show - Nadine Wellwood and the People's Party & Clinton Desveaux talks East Coast

00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to The Cory Morgan Show. First one of the electoral season. Justin Trudeau

00:00:12.120 predictably called the election. We're off to the races. Looks like all the parties are trying to

00:00:17.320 outspend each other. It's going to be an interesting campaign. There's going to have

00:00:23.120 to be some movement or we're just going to come out of 35 days of campaigning and have the same

00:00:27.380 government coming out of it that we went into it with, but there's lots of time for things to

00:00:31.920 change. We'll see what happens. We'll be covering them, of course, on the Western Standard all the

00:00:36.760 way through. Today, I am going to talk to Nadine Wellwood. She's running for the PPC 0.87

00:00:42.060 in Banff, Airdrie. That'll be the second time she's run there to get some perspective from the

00:00:47.580 alternative parties that are coming up and challenging this election. There's a lot of

00:00:51.280 them out and about this time around, and even Derek Sloan might be making an appearance somewhere,

00:00:55.780 it sounds like. And then I'll be talking to Clinton DeVoe from out there in Nova Scotia.

00:01:00.800 They had an election last night. There was an upset win with the Progressive Conservative Party

00:01:05.080 and the Liberals are out. So we'll talk a little bit about that and a little bit about the federal

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00:04:17.220 winning all around. So a quick rant going into this election. As I said, people are saying, you know,

00:04:22.060 do we need one? Do we not? I don't know. Justin feels he needs one. He wants a majority. And, uh,

00:04:27.040 the, you know, the opportunity looks to be there. We'll see what happens if the pandemic explodes.

00:04:31.260 Uh, if things go out of control, this might turn around and bite him really hard in the ass as it

00:04:36.020 stands. I don't see a lot of, I mean, the conservatives are coming out. Okay. No stumbles

00:04:39.940 yet or anything, but they're not really light in the world on fire either. Like they have to

00:04:44.340 pull those liberals down if we're going to see a change. And, uh, well, it's very early. We'll see

00:04:50.440 what kind of momentum develops and what happens. But, uh, right now I, I see a stalemate kind of going

00:04:56.360 on there. They're all just kind of coasting and making promises to, uh, try and outspend each

00:05:00.560 other. Uh, as things stay more stagnant though, I imagine parties will get more desperate to try

00:05:04.960 and do things and create momentum, create interest. And, and we're going to see a lively campaign. I

00:05:09.600 mean, you know, nobody, including the parties in power wants to see a minority government for

00:05:14.140 another two, three years or whatever it might take. Afghanistan, you know, I got to speak to that.

00:05:20.660 It's in the news. It's an issue today. What a horrible, horrible site. Uh, here's another

00:05:25.740 example of government gone bad. You know, we never, we really never should have gone there

00:05:30.560 in the first place. How many times has the world got to see this? I mean, I was just a child when

00:05:35.440 it was happening, but people remember and see those images of the evacuation of Saigon. You know,

00:05:39.000 a country goes in, they meddle around in a country for years. They tried to take control of it. They

00:05:43.000 fail and then they bail out and anybody who helped them gets left behind. And, uh, how many got

00:05:48.980 tossed out into the Cambodian killing fields, uh, and things such as that after the Americans 0.93

00:05:53.560 abandoned Vietnam, it was a horrific thing, but did the Western world learn from it? No, 1.00

00:05:58.380 no. We pissed around in Afghanistan for 20 years, 158 Canadian soldiers died over there.

00:06:03.760 Thousands got injured over there. And what have we got in the end when the forces pulled out

00:06:08.080 within a week, the Taliban extremists rolled right back in and all those poor people again, 1.00

00:06:14.540 who counted on the West, counted on us over there are left hanging. They're trying

00:06:18.960 desperately to get the hell out of there. The reprisals are going to be brutal. I mean,

00:06:22.160 the Taliban is trying to talk nice right now, but come on, they're the Taliban. We know what

00:06:25.480 they're going to do. I don't know what it takes to get things better in Afghanistan. But one thing 0.99

00:06:30.800 I think we can say for sure is to trying to invade and control that country is going to fail a hundred

00:06:35.520 percent of the time. The Brits tried at the end of the 1800s for crying out loud and they failed.

00:06:39.740 They left with their tail between their legs. The Soviet union threw everything they had at that 0.97

00:06:43.820 country through the eighties, got their butts kicked out of there. And now Canada, United States,

00:06:50.180 other coalition forces spent two decades almost in there. And it's right back to where it started.

00:06:55.980 The only, I mean, I hope for the best for them. I hope we find a way that the developed world,

00:07:02.380 the civilized world can influence nations like that and improve their human rights practices,

00:07:08.220 improve their lot in life, you know, bring up their economies. But going in on the ground with forces

00:07:13.100 is clearly a failure. Let's not do it again. Let's try to learn from this. Do we have to do this

00:07:17.800 every generation? I really hope not. It's a horrible, horrible thing. I hope those people 1.00

00:07:22.600 get out of there. I hope for a change, the Taliban are being a little bit honest. They're saying, 0.89

00:07:26.280 you know, that they're going to lighten up a little and be a little nicer with women's rights. 1.00

00:07:29.060 They put that caveat, they'll respect women's rights as far as Sharia law allows. That's kind of 0.96

00:07:35.340 ambiguous in the interpretation of human rights. And of course, God help you if you're a part of the

00:07:41.000 LGBTQ community. I just hope they can get the hell out of that country because it's not going 1.00

00:07:45.960 to be good. So bad news on that front. Either way, locally, hopefully, maybe election time is a good

00:07:53.480 time for the country to talk about those sorts of things. Let's talk about the weakness we have on

00:07:58.340 the international stage. I mean, Canada is not a huge player. We can't pressure and crush other

00:08:03.400 countries into submission. Well, even the large countries can't seem to do that. But maybe we can

00:08:08.180 improve our diplomatic standing, our ability, and actually have an influence on some of these

00:08:13.200 countries and do some good in the world. In the meantime, we do have to worry about doing good

00:08:16.220 within our own countries. So let's try and elect the right people to represent us and bring good

00:08:22.360 policy ideas forward. So enough about the international stage. As I said, back to the local

00:08:27.720 election, let's talk to candidates who have ideas and views on the ground. The people are actually

00:08:31.400 working it. We got Nadine Wellwood running for the PPC in Banff Airdrie. Okay. Thanks for joining me,

00:08:38.500 Nadine. Good to see you. It's been a while. So you're on the campaign road in Banff Airdrie again

00:08:44.280 for the Maxine Bernier's PPC. You ran for them two years ago as well, didn't you?

00:08:50.180 I did indeed.

00:08:52.340 So, I mean, we've got a lot of candidates entering the field. There's people coming from all over.

00:08:57.540 It's almost getting a little crowded. One of the things I want to ask, I mean, the Maverick

00:09:01.460 Party is a new one on the scene that's come about since then, and they speak to regional issues

00:09:05.280 and things such as that. What are you offering with the PPC that's different than what the

00:09:09.720 Maverick Party would? I think the PPC, the People's Party of Canada, is very different than what the

00:09:15.000 Maverick has to offer. For one, I actually am putting Albertans first. I'm not a representative

00:09:22.240 for the West. I am a representative for my constituents, and that's Banff Airdrie first

00:09:27.120 and Alberta second, and then everything else is after that, whether it's a party or otherwise.

00:09:35.120 So that, I think, is a substantial difference. And we've been around. Our platform, Max started

00:09:42.500 this party three years ago. Our platform hasn't had to change. Because it's so principled,

00:09:49.380 and we run on freedom, fairness, respect, and responsibility. Our policies around immigration,

00:09:56.620 around equalization. It's everything that Albertans wanted in 2019. And I think from the fear factor of

00:10:05.840 we just have to get rid of Trudeau, they didn't vote for it. But it's everything Alberta wants and

00:10:11.320 needs. I think the Maverick Party is wasting their time with the Triple E Senate. I think that will 0.56

00:10:18.460 actually only give more power to the West, or to the East, especially the have-not provinces,

00:10:23.640 you know, from the Atlantic provinces, for example. They would have more senators,

00:10:27.700 which would mean less influence in Alberta here. And I went down that path with them,

00:10:33.980 actually, at their request. And onto Maverick, for the Maverick Party. They're not looking for

00:10:39.040 outspoken candidates. It's a very top-down. It's not grassroots, contrary to what they want to promote

00:10:45.660 themselves as. And yeah, it's not what it appears to be. You know, the top-down made some decisions

00:10:57.160 without consulting their EDAs. And their MPs are whipped. And we all know what that means. It means

00:11:03.720 they're not free to speak to represent the actual issues as they relate to their constituents and

00:11:09.140 their province. Okay. Because yeah, it's just, there are conservative people who are looking at

00:11:13.700 different alternatives rather than the Conservative Party all the time in Alberta. So there's a couple,

00:11:18.560 I wanted to see what the distinguishing differences were. With the PPC, do you know, I mean, nomination

00:11:24.620 day is still a little ways away. How many candidates, roughly, does it look like you guys are going to get

00:11:28.920 in the field in this election? We have well over 200 right now. Max is still looking to run a full

00:11:36.080 slate. I think we had about 304 or so in the last, no, 308 or so in the last election. So I would assume

00:11:43.380 it would be, you know, we'll be approaching that number. You know, I'm not, I don't think it'll be a

00:11:50.520 full 338 ridings. The East is very liberal. And I think getting anybody brave enough to run for anything

00:11:58.540 other than that is always a challenge. Yeah. Well, it's a big area to chip into.

00:12:05.580 I would imagine, I mean, there's always the talk about vote splitting or picking away and people

00:12:09.980 feel they should try and choose it. Well, what I see is a lesser evil and say, well, vote conservative

00:12:14.680 because perhaps not so much in Banff Airdrie, but in some of the tight urban ridings, the PPC could

00:12:20.220 most definitely be making the difference, which changes from a Conservative candidate winning to a

00:12:24.200 Liberal one. How do you respond to that concern? Well, you know, we ran the last campaign,

00:12:30.460 especially here in Alberta. We sent a sea of blue with the exception of one NDP that was elected.

00:12:36.080 And I'm just challenging people, where did that get us? And I think most people this time around

00:12:42.760 recognize, and I've had a lot of people tell me already, they know Aaron O'Toole is not going to

00:12:48.240 win this election. He's not going to beat Justin Trudeau. So I think people are more free to vote

00:12:53.740 their conscience and to vote for what they want. And let's send a message. I said that the last time,

00:12:58.760 we need to send a message to Ottawa that Alberta just wants Ottawa to get out of our way. And 0.90

00:13:03.880 Albertans can take care of ourselves. We don't need Ontario or Ottawa to tell us what we need to do.

00:13:09.620 We just need you to get out of the way. We know what we need to do.

00:13:12.260 Yeah. Well, and getting to your local writing, Banff Airdrie is an interesting one. I mean,

00:13:16.720 it's solid blue country with, especially with the ranch land to the east and such. I grew up in

00:13:20.840 Banff. That's my hometown, actually. You really get quite a mixed match of all kinds of views there

00:13:25.780 from small C conservatives to hard, hard left people. How's your campaign been going so far on

00:13:32.020 the ground? What issues are standing out in Banff Airdrie right now?

00:13:35.600 Well, it's been interesting. This election is very different because Justin Trudeau has made this

00:13:40.900 election a lot more about freedoms. And he's actually put out a call, it seems, to Canadians

00:13:48.920 to say that, hey, this is your election, your opportunity to choose the direction of Canada

00:13:53.960 for your children and your grandchildren. And if you read between the lines there and you look at

00:13:59.160 the direction that he's taking with this build back better, he, could you imagine a majority of

00:14:05.460 government with no opposition? And that's what we've seen in the last 18 months with the Conservative

00:14:11.580 Party of Canada is absolutely zero opposition. This is a power grab by the Liberal government,

00:14:17.820 Justin Trudeau, for a majority government. So people are seeing that here. And it's interesting

00:14:23.920 because whether you're NDP, whether you're Liberal, whether you're Conservative, I've had people,

00:14:29.920 a lot of people who have been not interested in politics come to me and say, Nadine, I'm taking

00:14:36.000 an interest this time. Why? Because their freedoms are on the line. And either we move more towards a

00:14:41.660 totalitarian state where the government is going to dictate by decree what we can and cannot do,

00:14:48.260 what we can and cannot say, or the people themselves are going to stand and fight and defend their

00:14:54.240 freedoms. And that's the stance I take. You know what? It's like, I reject a class society where some

00:15:01.640 individuals have more rights than others. And I think that's going to be a big political issue and

00:15:08.040 one that's going to stand out in this election that's going to make the difference. And I think

00:15:11.640 that's pulling together Albertans. And it crosses the political boundaries.

00:15:17.740 Yeah, well, the pandemic in this election is a variable like we've never seen before. I mean,

00:15:24.480 it does cross left and right. And it comes down to individual rights. I mean, whether people feel

00:15:29.080 that it should be the government imposing controls on them to try and get this under control, or whether

00:15:33.960 we leave people to their own devices and have this come under control on its own, however it may be.

00:15:40.100 So it makes it difficult. As well, though, if this does explode, more infections, people are getting

00:15:45.160 concerned. Do you think this could backfire on the Liberals in calling it a time when there's still

00:15:51.100 some instability, I guess, health-wise right now? Well, Justin Trudeau, if you look at the polls

00:15:55.700 and take them for what they're worth, but he lost, I think, 5.6% in the polls when he called this

00:16:03.000 election. Canadians don't want to go back to the polls. And I'll have to say, I was one of those

00:16:08.660 amongst that as well. But there's other pressing issues. I mean, Afghanistan has fallen. We have,

00:16:15.880 the world is in a dire situation. And, you know, he's gotten, Justin Trudeau has gotten everything

00:16:22.880 that he's asked for. He's had no opposition. He has a ridiculous budget. You know, the only thing he did

00:16:30.580 not get that he asked for was unlimited power. And that's what he wants. And that's what he's going after.

00:16:37.540 And in general, in politics, nobody's talking about cutting spending. Nobody's talking about

00:16:43.640 getting it under control. Aside from people like Maxime Bernier, I mean, the Conservatives and the

00:16:47.640 Liberals are in a battle to outspend each other and the NDP are borderline, you know, communists. So

00:16:52.020 where, though, would the cuts come? I mean, if a PPC could influence the government or be in

00:16:57.840 government, where are you going to shave things down? Well, we have to look at the areas where we can

00:17:03.760 save. And the obvious ones are in foreign aid. A lot of foreign aid goes to countries that doesn't

00:17:10.640 get to where it needs to be. We have problems in our own country that we need to solve first.

00:17:15.620 That hasn't changed since our last election platform. Media, yay, you guys are independent.

00:17:24.860 Congratulations for staying that way. But $600 million going to fund CBC and other media.

00:17:31.700 We have state propaganda now. We don't have independent journalism anymore. There's an easy

00:17:36.480 one to cut. And there's other areas like that, that, you know, we need to clean up. And people

00:17:42.020 need to become more efficient. Government, everybody keeps looking for generating more revenue.

00:17:48.020 That's what government does, right? More revenue, we have to increase taxes. Well, let's look at the

00:17:52.340 obvious problem here. Government is too large. And it continues to grow. That's the expense right there.

00:18:00.020 So we need to make, we need to shrink government. It needs to be smaller, more effective, more

00:18:05.140 efficient. So a big issue, and it looks like the Trudeau government hasn't really dipped into it,

00:18:10.920 but I suspect they're going to make it a big one in this campaign, of course, is environmentalism

00:18:14.740 and climate change. Both now the conservatives and the liberals want to carbon tax us into a green new

00:18:20.560 world. They seem to feel carbon tax has put up forest fires. We just haven't raised them highly

00:18:25.020 enough yet. But still, you will encounter people who are concerned. It's been a smoky summer. Things

00:18:30.560 are hot. You know, climate is changing. I mean, it's debatable on why or how. How can the PPC help

00:18:38.160 to address those concerns with people in the electorate? Well, climate change was a big issue,

00:18:44.060 I think, in 2019. I think it's a little bit less of top of mind this time around. But we do need to

00:18:51.740 protect our environment. And we've always said we need to protect our environment. My dad was a

00:18:56.820 firefighter for 45 years. It's all he's ever done. And his passion for his work was unbelievable. I have

00:19:04.220 friends that are out fighting fires right now. Many of them will tell you the truth. And we have

00:19:09.580 mismanaged our forests. Absolutely. Forest fires are not caused because of climate change, per se. It's

00:19:17.100 been a dry summer. Absolutely. But we've had dry summers in the past. But we've got a lot of tinder.

00:19:23.180 We've got a lot of fallen dead wood, you know, that we haven't really managed all that well.

00:19:28.540 I mean, there's seeds, there's there's trees that need fire in order to, you know, open the seeds to

00:19:34.400 replant. So, you know, there is a cycle. And I think we just need to take a common sense approach and find

00:19:40.120 the right balance between the environment and the our economy and people's wants and needs.

00:19:46.600 You know, the liberals, the NDP, the Greens, they'd have us back to living in caves and stone age.

00:19:52.120 That's not realistic. And I'm a proud supporter of Alberta oil and gas. Oil and gas in Canada is the

00:19:58.680 most humane, ethically sourced place. Why are we buying it from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Venezuela? It's

00:20:07.000 ridiculous. I know why, because Justin Trudeau's trust fund benefits greatly from the Irving family

00:20:12.840 that, you know, pad his trust fund. But, you know, that's not what's best for Canadians. So Canadians 0.89

00:20:19.960 have got to get back to taking a look at what's going on behind the scenes here, why these decisions

00:20:24.680 are being made. And let's take a look at who's actually speaking out and trying to expose the truth

00:20:30.920 and to do something better.

00:20:32.120 Well, and likewise, we have it south of the border of that trend. Joe Biden virtue signaled

00:20:38.040 by shutting down the Keystone pipeline when it was nearly done. And now he's groveling and begging

00:20:41.880 OPEC to increase production because lo and behold, the price of fuel went up. Nobody would have seen

00:20:46.040 that coming. But when it comes to foreign affairs, I mean, Afghanistan's a mess. Our relationship with 1.00

00:20:52.680 the United States has been up and down and on and off. How could the PPC address some of those tensions

00:20:58.040 and bad relationships? Well, I mean, I think, unfortunately, our prime minister is the laughing

00:21:04.840 stock internationally. Justin Trudeau is not a leader. He's weak. His responses to these issues

00:21:13.240 and to these world events have been appalling, in my opinion. I was in the aerospace and defense sector

00:21:21.720 for many, many years. I owned my own aerospace and defense company. I worked in modeling and simulation,

00:21:27.080 human factors engineering. I met Mr. Honorable Jean Chrétien, for example, under that title.

00:21:36.360 And, you know, Afghanistan, I left that space when we went into Afghanistan. I didn't agree with going

00:21:43.160 into that country. I knew we would make a bigger mess than what was already there. You know, Russia 1.00

00:21:49.640 tried, so many places have tried. But now that we're there, we needed an appropriate

00:21:56.920 response if we were planning on pulling out that we did not leave the people who supported us behind.

00:22:05.320 It's not enough to just say, oh, sorry, and pull our own people out. There were Afghanis on the ground, 0.90

00:22:11.880 their families that now are being killed, raped, tortured, because they supported Canadian and U.S.

00:22:20.200 troops. We don't leave people behind. And Trudeau's response has been weak. And the Taliban, they're 0.53

00:22:27.480 terrorists. They have just released every terrorist that we have rounded up for the last 20 years.

00:22:33.480 Where do you think they are going to direct that anger and frustration? And we're a laughing stock.

00:22:39.240 They know our prime minister, our national leader is weak. Where do you think a lot of that direction,

00:22:47.640 that anger, that frustration is coming back?

00:22:51.240 Yeah, it would be nice to see respect on the world stage for Canada again. And we certainly won't get

00:22:55.880 that from the current leadership. So I'll leave that there though. Where can we find more information

00:23:00.680 about your campaign and the PPC and what you're going to be up to in the next five weeks?

00:23:06.200 Well, it won't be hard to find. And you can check out my website, nadinewoldwood.ca.

00:23:12.280 And of course, you can follow me on Twitter, Facebook as well, if that's more convenient.

00:23:17.960 My website will lead you back to our platform and our policies, as well as my own personal views.

00:23:24.600 This is the difference with PPC is as a member of parliament, even as a candidate,

00:23:30.280 I have the liberty to have these conversations with you to tell you what I think, what my views are.

00:23:36.600 You know, as long as they align with Max's freedom, fairness, respect and responsibility,

00:23:42.520 he's not going to tell me what to say what to do. And that's a big difference between every other

00:23:48.600 federal party available today that are being told, stick to the script, you can't discuss this come

00:23:54.120 back to your talking points. I'm free to have those discussions. And I think anybody who's been

00:24:00.360 following me on YouTube, or even previously on the Western Standard knows I have opinions,

00:24:04.760 and I'm happy to share them. Great. Well, thanks for coming on to talk to me. I'm looking forward to

00:24:09.720 watching the campaign unfold and your campaign, and I'm certain we'll be talking again soon.

00:24:14.440 Fantastic. Thank you so much, Corey, for having me. Thanks.

00:24:19.880 Okay. Moving from West to East, I'm going to have Clinton DeVoe on. Clinton's been on a number of times.

00:24:26.600 He loves drilling down into the polling numbers, making speculation, and he comes from the East Coast

00:24:32.120 out there in Nova Scotia. I'm sure he's going to have some words to say about that Nova Scotia

00:24:36.840 election, that upset out there. It's going to be an interesting chat, and we'll see what Clinton

00:24:41.800 has to say right away here. Hey there, Clinton. Thanks for joining me from the East Coast there.

00:24:49.240 This is a brilliant time for political wieners like ourselves, and you had a local provincial election,

00:24:54.360 even on top of the federal one that's kicked off. I think it kind of slid under the interest or radar of

00:25:00.040 a lot of Canadians outside of Nova Scotia, but once it popped up and we saw an upset win with

00:25:05.080 progressive conservatives, suddenly people sat up and took note. It was an interesting outcome

00:25:09.800 and a hard-fought election. Maybe you want to give us a rundown of what's happening out there in your

00:25:13.800 hometown? Sure. So the progressive conservative party of Nova Scotia won a majority last night,

00:25:20.440 and it looked to be a majority fairly early on in the night.

00:25:24.040 The Liberals had gone from a multi-term majority government dynasty to complete and utter defeat

00:25:34.360 provincially here in Nova Scotia. There was two big issues throughout this campaign. The overriding

00:25:41.080 issue for the province of Nova Scotia as a whole was health care, paramedic services,

00:25:47.240 wait times, those kinds of things. And that was an issue that the progressive conservatives embraced fully

00:25:57.560 probably about two years ago. And they keyed all of their marketing, all of their messaging,

00:26:05.720 everything around the idea of spending a lot of money in health care. So the progressive conservatives

00:26:11.240 have promised to run bigger deficits than either the Liberals or the New Democrats in order to deal

00:26:18.760 with the health care crisis, or so they claim. The other big issue in the province was rent control,

00:26:25.560 and more specifically in the greater Halifax area. So for your listeners that may not know, Nova Scotia

00:26:31.240 has a population of about a million people, and somewhere in the vicinity of about half of that

00:26:36.600 lives in the greater Halifax area. So the New Democrats provincially here, they made rent control

00:26:45.080 their issue. And so they spent all of their time throughout the city of Halifax promoting that

00:26:51.480 issue. So the combination of the Tories on health care, the New Democrats on rent control, they were

00:26:57.720 able to essentially crater Liberal Party support in every region of the province, from Cape Breton Island

00:27:04.200 to the mainland, to the urban city population. So it was a devastating night for the provincial Liberals.

00:27:13.000 But look, the hard work starts today for the progressive conservatives, because

00:27:19.560 you know, they have to deliver now on these really big promises on mental health, on physical health,

00:27:27.000 on ambulance services, wait times, you know, all of that stuff. So I don't envy them because they're

00:27:37.800 going to have to deliver over the next four years. Otherwise they are going to hear from the voters.

00:27:43.560 Yeah, well, and that's something interesting to see out of this whole thing. So, you know,

00:27:46.680 people don't want to interpret that Nova Scotia took a big small C swing to, you know, to conservative

00:27:52.440 right. I mean, this was a conservative party that campaigned from the high spending left, as far

00:27:56.920 as fiscal goes. And as you said, the NDP took a bite out by taking on rent control, which is, again,

00:28:02.920 is a very left-wing issue. So there hasn't been a swing to conservative values, just a change in

00:28:07.800 government.

00:28:09.480 Yeah. So to answer some questions, to give you some more ideas as to how the whole rent control thing

00:28:16.200 took off in the city. What we have seen throughout the, well, throughout Nova Scotia, but specifically

00:28:23.480 the greater Halifax area in this last year is that homes, which 18 months ago were selling for,

00:28:33.160 you know, we'll say three to $400,000. We're now selling for six, $700,000, $800,000.

00:28:43.160 Homes that were selling for half a million, we're now selling for a million dollars.

00:28:51.240 So there's been an extreme shortage of housing. And there's also an extreme shortage of condos and

00:28:57.480 apartment buildings and those kinds of things. And so the new Democrats looked at that and they ran

00:29:02.200 with it. And in fact, I have a member of my family who works with a conservative MLA here in Nova Scotia,

00:29:08.840 a member of the legislative assembly. And the member of my family was telling me that they

00:29:13.960 were taking two to three calls a day for the last 18 months on, on nothing but the housing issue.

00:29:23.640 So the liberals, you know, they didn't have an answer for that. And then there was another

00:29:27.960 problem that the provincial liberals had in Nova Scotia. So the premier, his name was Ian Rankin,

00:29:34.440 former premier, he was never actually elected as premier. So he inherited the premiership from

00:29:43.320 from Stephen McNeil, who had won multiple majority governments. And in the very beginning of the

00:29:49.640 campaign, the sitting premier, it was exposed that he had been caught drunk driving on multiple

00:29:57.800 occasions, and in one occasion, ended up flipping a car and creating a major accident. So, you know,

00:30:05.800 I think it was unlikely that that this former premier Ian Rankin was going to pull out a victory.

00:30:12.920 In the final 96 hours of the campaign, local polling firms started to detect a swing

00:30:19.720 of momentum that worked its way towards the progressive conservative party. And then in the

00:30:26.520 final 72 hours, there was a couple of polls, local polls in the Halifax area that were actually

00:30:33.800 predicting a progressive conservative majority government. And that's what ended up happening

00:30:38.520 last night, or that's what ended up happening Tuesday night. Sorry.

00:30:41.480 Okay. And one other thing that was striking was that Smith McCross and one is an independent,

00:30:47.560 clearly a strong local support showing. And it was a very issues-based thing. I mean,

00:30:51.960 she's on the border of the province with New Brunswick and she got kicked out of caucus

00:30:56.440 due to attending and taking part in protests that were blocking that border. But it was just striking.

00:31:01.960 We don't often see independents, you know, winning in general elections and she won it fairly comfortably.

00:31:07.400 Well, and to your listeners, more importantly, you don't normally see independents being elected

00:31:14.200 anywhere in Atlantic Canada. So Elizabeth Smith McCross and was a former progressive conservative MLA.

00:31:21.320 She had blockaded the Trans-Canada Highway over COVID regulations between the province of Nova Scotia 0.68

00:31:28.520 and New Brunswick. And she essentially refused to back down for a number of days. It got to the point

00:31:36.200 that guys delivering groceries and tractor trailers were sitting on the side of the road for days on

00:31:44.040 end with their food going bad. And doctors were actually prevented from getting to their local

00:31:51.160 hospital work between the two provinces. There's communities like border communities.

00:31:57.640 So she ended up being kicked out of the progressive conservative caucus.

00:32:01.480 And I actually predicted that she was going to lose that seat. And I actually predicted that the 1.00

00:32:09.400 Liberals would win that seat because they had former member of parliament, Bill Casey, who served in

00:32:17.400 multiple federal conservative governments of both Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper running as a provincial

00:32:23.720 liberal. And so I figured that because of the vote split that he would come up the middle.

00:32:29.960 But instead, she won convincingly. And to your point, yeah, it's a riding that is a it's a rural riding

00:32:38.760 that that literally borders the province of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

00:32:43.640 Yeah, well, it's just interesting to see when issues can sometimes overcome partisanship. It's a pretty rare

00:32:50.120 thing, not just out there, but out here and everywhere else. And I'm sure a lot of people will be kind of

00:32:53.640 paying attention to that. So moving on to the big race now, the federal one, the issues are

00:32:59.800 just starting to emerge in this one. What do you see in the trends right now where things are standing?

00:33:07.800 Well, I think in the opening days of the campaign, the first 48 hours, the Liberals took a big hit,

00:33:14.360 which I think was to be expected. And that's because of the, you know, the campaign issue was,

00:33:21.400 why are we having a federal general election? And as you recall, Corey, over multiple elections,

00:33:27.560 usually the first two days, maybe three days, the driving issue that the media tends to promote and

00:33:34.920 whoever the opposition parties are is we don't need an election right now. But what we have seen in the last

00:33:42.280 the last 24 to 36 hours has been somewhat of a return to form over as we've seen over the last 12 months for the federal

00:33:53.800 Liberals, where they have crept back into the lead. It's not as big as it was, say, a month ago.

00:34:01.320 But one of the problems I see for the Conservatives is that they seem to have hit a ceiling of around 30% support.

00:34:07.240 Some polls have them down around 28. The other big problem I'm seeing is that Mr. Bernier's vanity project,

00:34:16.280 the People's Party, after examining Frank Graves from ECOS Research, some of his polling data,

00:34:24.920 the regional breakdown, he indicates that they are polling as much as 11% support in British Columbia.

00:34:31.160 I believe that's going to lead to a lot of conservative vote splits and allow the Liberals to win.

00:34:40.520 In the province of Ontario, same sort of thing. There are multiple polling firms that show Mr. Bernier

00:34:46.760 sitting somewhere around between 5% and 8% support. And again, I believe that that is going to decimate

00:34:53.560 the Conservatives if those numbers hold over the course of the next three and a half weeks.

00:35:03.000 Look, and I think it goes to the earlier point that you and I have talked about in the past.

00:35:07.640 Look, I'm a firm believer that Mr. Bernier is a form of controlled opposition. And the only person that

00:35:13.640 he benefits in this election is the Liberal leader, Prime Minister Trudeau. Because every one of those

00:35:21.720 votes blitz that takes away from the Conservatives helps elect another federal Liberal member of

00:35:27.160 Parliament.

00:35:29.320 Yeah, well, we've got a lot of that, plus with Derek Sloan picking up whatever he's going to do,

00:35:34.520 we're hearing some rumors about that, and Jay Hill with the Maverick Party. So O'Toole's got to try

00:35:41.000 and figure out how to regain and pull back some of those factions, some of the support that he's been

00:35:46.840 bleeding for the last few months, and he doesn't have much time left to do it.

00:35:49.720 Well, one of the things the Conservatives are really hoping for is to see a surge in support

00:35:55.400 for the NDP. So as many of us know, when the New Democrats perform well by their party standards,

00:36:05.400 in the sort of the low 20% threshold, that 20-21% popular vote, they can often create the

00:36:14.520 opposite effect that the Conservatives are having with Mr. Bernier, the Liberals can end up getting

00:36:21.480 punished for vote splits. And so to be fair to Mr. Singh, the new Democratic leader, I do think that

00:36:32.120 on the opening day of the campaign, that he probably had the best day of all the party leaders.

00:36:38.600 I do think the Conservatives, they need to rethink the upcoming number of weeks, their studio that

00:36:48.360 they're using. It feels cold, it feels unfriendly. It doesn't make one view Mr. O'Toole as a potential

00:37:00.120 Prime Minister. I think they need to get out on the road. I think they need to campaign. I think they

00:37:04.840 need to have in-person events. And the rumors that I've heard from multiple sources is that they're going

00:37:11.240 to spend anywhere from three to four days a week hanging out in their television studio in Ottawa.

00:37:18.200 And I don't think as the campaign progresses, that that's a good strategy. I think that allows the

00:37:26.760 Liberals, the New Democrats, you know, to basically control the day-to-day narrative with photo ops,

00:37:35.560 with, you know, public crowds and all of those kinds of things.

00:37:41.800 Yeah, well, Jack Layton's popularity definitely contributed to some of the ability for Stephen

00:37:46.520 Harper to form a majority. I mean, he pulled from the Liberals in Ontario, in British Columbia,

00:37:51.640 and it benefited the Conservatives. But to sit as a party and hope for those sorts of variables to

00:37:56.520 play in your favor, it reminds me of like football teams getting towards the end when they're hoping for

00:38:00.840 another team to lose because it's the magic formula to make the playoffs. It's out of your control.

00:38:05.160 So the Conservatives have got to find those things that are in their control, as you said,

00:38:08.440 that get their ground game up, get out there and humanize themselves and endear themselves to the

00:38:13.000 electorate. They've got not much time left to do it. Well, I think for the Conservatives,

00:38:19.000 a gift for them could potentially be the announcement coming from the upcoming leaders debates. So one of

00:38:26.200 two things, either Mr. Bernier is excluded from the debates because he doesn't break the 4% threshold,

00:38:34.360 in order to attend. And if he is able to hit that 4% threshold, I have to believe that the

00:38:41.880 Conservatives are hoping that the leaders debate demands that all participants be fully vaccinated

00:38:49.560 in order to take part in the debate. And I think from a Conservative Party perspective, that would be

00:38:57.560 good for them because that would keep Mr. Bernier off the stage. And it would allow the Conservatives to

00:39:03.480 focus their attention on Mr. Trudeau and the Liberals without always having to pivot and look over their

00:39:09.960 shoulder at what Mr. Bernier is up to.

00:39:13.000 I could see that somewhat, but you know, the people who are very strongly against vaccinations,

00:39:18.680 and I know when I've mentioned that I got vaccinated, boy, I hear from them. But those

00:39:22.840 who are very dedicated, they are very upset with things. And it could really turn Bernier into a

00:39:28.680 martyr if he was taken off over the fact that he wasn't vaccinated. It could actually consolidate

00:39:33.800 his support with something that's not going to win a bunch of seats, but will definitely be a strong

00:39:38.200 core of voters that would keep pulling those votes. Well, that's, that is one school of thought.

00:39:44.360 To me, the bigger concern would be to just to keep him off of the stage at all costs. Because that would,

00:39:51.080 the fact that he, the fact that he could appear at the debates may allow him to just slightly pivot

00:39:59.000 just a little tiny bit in order to appeal to a greater number of mainstream Conservatives on some issues.

00:40:08.360 And, you know, if he goes from, say, five or six percent in the national polls

00:40:14.360 to seven or eight or nine percent because of a decent debate performance,

00:40:22.360 well, suddenly you'd have Conservatives having vote split losses, you know, all over Ontario and

00:40:29.240 British Columbia and other places. So to me, the goal from a Conservative perspective would be to find out

00:40:37.800 how to keep him out of the debates, if in fact there is a way to do so.

00:40:41.720 Yeah. Well, and Bernier is no fool and he could present himself well on the floor at a debate. So

00:40:46.200 it would certainly lend an other element of credibility that perhaps people might feel he didn't have.

00:40:51.000 So we've, we've got interesting times coming and a whole lot to cover. I'm looking forward to it.

00:40:55.960 So I hope we can check in with you in a couple of weeks and see where things have moved and how the

00:40:59.640 campaign's been developing.

00:41:00.600 Definitely. I'm looking forward to chatting with you and hearing from your viewers.

00:41:04.920 Excellent. Where can people find you, Clinton, to see what you're up to and what you're speaking on?

00:41:09.480 Well, you can see my name here at the bottom of the screen. So you can find me, Clinton DeVoe,

00:41:14.600 on Twitter, all one word. And I'm often sharing stories and, and thoughts. And it's not always

00:41:22.520 necessarily endorsements from me. It's just stuff that I think is newsworthy.

00:41:25.960 Uh, because, uh, I do think, uh, all of this stuff, uh, helps us figure out where the, uh,

00:41:32.840 the final result will be on election day.

00:41:34.840 Great. Well, I always appreciate you coming on. I'm certain we'll be talking again soon.

00:41:39.000 Great. Thanks for having me on. Thanks.

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Western Standard - August 19, 2021

Cory Morgan Show - Nadine Wellwood and the People's Party & Clinton Desveaux talks East Coast

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