Western Standard - October 24, 2026


CORY MORGAN SHOW: Premier Smith stands alone

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00:00:00.000 Good day.
00:00:27.280 welcome to the cory morgan show the first post-referendum broadcast uh well actually
00:00:32.480 we did some yesterday from out of here but the first one on my show anyways yes we didn't get
00:00:37.840 what we were hoping for alberta certainly still well entrenched in the federation for now burton
00:00:42.960 spoke it was a democratic uh exercise am i done of course not i've been at this 26 years uh i'm not
00:00:50.080 giving up at this point but i also accept that we didn't win the majority of albertans at this point
00:00:55.280 not even close so we have to think of how we can and that's going to take some time
00:00:59.520 i just worry a bit about some of the reactionary approaches some people are taking the burn
00:01:04.480 everything down approach to things and so on we've got to think long-term guys tactically
00:01:10.880 wisely i know that's not traits that we always have i can be pretty reactive at times but uh
00:01:17.440 we can deal with this looking at ourselves looking at how we campaigned looking at what happened
00:01:23.200 with an eye on how we can change that a few years down the road i know some people screaming to have
00:01:27.520 another referendum right away we got to push it through and and you know due to the petitioning
00:01:31.600 and so on guys i think it would be even lower if we did that that would really be ticking off a
00:01:35.920 whole lot of people who just went through five months of a lot of work it wasn't a loss we built
00:01:40.160 a foundation alberta has forever changed and we will build and work from that but don't uh
00:01:46.400 don't burn everything down that we already gained by just having a poor reaction to how things came
00:01:50.640 out all right well let's look at some of the other stuff that came out of that though there were those
00:01:53.600 other nine questions now premier daniel smith has a mandate from albertans to make changes to policies
00:01:59.760 for immigrant immigrants in alberta and to pursue some constitutional reforms federally the margins
00:02:04.960 might have been narrow but it was a win now for the yes side on eight of the first nine questions
00:02:09.200 i think it might be seven actually at this point i think something shifted overnight the premier
00:02:12.880 appears to be poised to act quickly on the directives democratically given to her by citizens
00:02:17.440 But other politicians appear to be a little more reticent in supporting the mandate,
00:02:20.780 including Pierre Polyev and Nahed Nenshi.
00:02:23.780 At a press conference held the day after the referendum,
00:02:26.200 the Western Standard's Jackson Loy asked Polyev
00:02:29.020 what he would be doing to help Alberta implement the changes Albertans voted for,
00:02:33.160 and in response, Polyev dodged the question.
00:02:35.420 He began by saying,
00:02:36.160 It does appear that Albertans have rejected Mark Carney's direction on this.
00:02:39.020 That's as far as he went.
00:02:40.280 And he went into the usual circular talking points,
00:02:42.540 criticizing the federal government's handling of immigration.
00:02:45.300 Polyev's response was disappointing, but not unexpected.
00:02:48.640 It exposes the weakness Alberta has in federal representation.
00:02:52.200 Polyev is doing what any federal leader must do if they aspire to become Prime Minister one day.
00:02:56.740 He's campaigning to the wishes of eastern Canada while putting the interests of Alberta on the shelf.
00:03:01.580 Even while standing in Calgary as a Member of Parliament, ostensibly representing an Alberta riding,
00:03:06.640 he couldn't bring himself to say he would use his role to help the province advance the changes it had just voted for.
00:03:12.460 Albertans shouldn't take it personally, it's just math
00:03:15.220 Alberta typically is going to vote overwhelmingly conservative
00:03:17.980 No matter how weak the federal leader may be at the time
00:03:20.980 Even if conservatives manage to lose seats in Alberta
00:03:23.460 It's well established by the liberals that
00:03:25.080 Even if nearly every seat is lost out here
00:03:27.260 They can still form a majority government
00:03:28.900 Whenever Polyev answers a question posed to him
00:03:31.280 You know there's a voice in the back of his head whispering
00:03:33.480 But what will Montreal and Toronto think?
00:03:36.160 As he considers his answer
00:03:37.540 If Alberta wanted referendum results
00:03:39.720 That the federal leader of the conservative party
00:03:41.980 would support and endorse, it would have to hold its referendum in the Laurentian region of Canada.
00:03:46.740 Polyev treats the prairies as most federal conservative leaders do. It's a great hub
00:03:50.080 for fundraising and garnering volunteers, along with being an easy region to get some seats from,
00:03:55.180 but it's not to be considered an area to take policy direction from. Western MPs rarely speak
00:03:59.720 to their local issues in the House of Commons. The lens is focused on winning support in the East.
00:04:03.740 The independency issue has been put into maybe a bit of a slumber for now by the referendum vote,
00:04:09.260 And it's understandable why MPs will stay out of that aspect.
00:04:12.280 But the other issues for pursuing constitutional change and immigration reforms were supported by Albertans.
00:04:17.660 And while it was an initiative held by a provincial government,
00:04:19.760 the federal representatives in the province should feel bound to support those.
00:04:23.940 They're supposed to represent the local interests after all, aren't they?
00:04:26.760 But they won't, unless the party leadership thinks it might help them in the East.
00:04:30.900 Things can change, though.
00:04:31.960 Brian Mulroney took the West for granted, and it led to the creation of the Reform Party
00:04:35.480 and ultimately the obliteration of the progressive conservatives on the federal front.
00:04:39.260 A new federal party is being organized in Alberta right now,
00:04:41.760 and Polyev would be well-served to watch his flank.
00:04:44.520 Albertans may not have supported the independence option this time,
00:04:46.980 but make no mistake, they're volatile and grumpy right now.
00:04:50.440 Alberta NDP, the leader in the head and inch, you know.
00:04:53.940 He's framed the nine questions as being either unrealistic or intolerant
00:04:57.800 and won't support the changes they proposed.
00:04:59.720 That puts him offside with the majority of Albertans,
00:05:02.220 which serves Premier Smith well.
00:05:03.780 She can and likely will frame herself as the one who's bound by the will of the province
00:05:06.940 and can make policy changes while framing Nenshi as being opposed to democracy.
00:05:11.900 The proposed constitutional changes, we know they're going nowhere.
00:05:14.660 But Albertan representatives at every level of government
00:05:16.740 should now feel compelled to at least try to accomplish them
00:05:19.180 if they respect the will of the electorate.
00:05:21.440 Polyev has already staked his turf, though.
00:05:23.440 He's going to avoid the questions and continue on his quest to win the East.
00:05:26.660 And that quest so far has been pretty fruitless.
00:05:28.860 Albertans have spoken in the millions on the questions put to them on October 9th.
00:05:32.300 Now Albertans will see who's really willing to speak for them on the federal front or not.
00:05:36.180 and Polyev so far has failed that first test. Premier Smith has a new mandate endorsed by
00:05:41.640 Albertans now. Unfortunately, it appears her party is going to be pursuing it alone.
00:05:46.300 Well, we'll see what comes. How's it going, Dave? It's going okay. How are you? I'm all right. Still
00:05:51.060 tired. I need a little more rest yet. Yeah, you must feel a bit relieved that it's over in a way.
00:05:55.080 Well, yeah. I mean, like I said, still disappointed. We'd hope for a larger, better
00:05:58.260 outcome than that, but I mean, it's been a grind. So you've now got to go collect 25,000 signs?
00:06:04.680 something about like that yeah you're gonna have a big bonfire or what are you doing you know they're
00:06:08.600 plastic i'm not sure i i should i put it out there you know i i looked up some things on how to
00:06:12.520 recycle coroplast there's not a lot of options for those i do hate that wasteful aspect of campaign
00:06:17.240 signs because you know i'm not a tree hugger but i hate waste and uh i'm open to tips guys for
00:06:23.560 things you can do with those signs because i hate seeing them go to the landfill exactly you can
00:06:27.000 keep them in your garage till the next time i only have so much room but i mean some of them some
00:06:30.520 people are doing that with the large signs and everything they're thinking and i still think
00:06:33.560 there's going to be another referendum though i also admit it's going to be we're looking now
00:06:37.400 a few years down the road at the least for it so if somebody wants to store it they're committing
00:06:40.680 for a bit i was thinking of keeping my beard going until the next referendum oh well quite
00:06:46.360 the grizzly adams look but yeah it will be it will be uh so uh premier smith today lowered the boom
00:06:52.840 on separatists in her party of which there are many uh basically said the ucp will be a federalist
00:07:00.360 party going forward and if you don't want to get on board with that get out uh so it's going to be
00:07:06.040 an interesting month because she's got the uh agm next month and uh people like uh jeffrey raffi
00:07:13.000 you may have hinted out in your monologue uh has vowed to take over the ucp and get rid of smith
00:07:19.480 so it's going to be he's in for a good flight that's for sure well it'll be interesting i mean
00:07:24.200 some people have seen some tweets online too you know she might not make it past the 27th and such
00:07:28.040 they do have to understand there is no leadership vote on the i mean they could turn the the agm
00:07:33.000 into a gong show perhaps but it the process involves actually at the constituency level
00:07:38.280 if they're going to do that and they're working on it we'll see what happens i think we got two
00:07:41.320 so far doing i think three now or three yeah okay and they need 23 yes so ways to go uh so we'll be
00:07:48.600 following that story uh all day we've got uh an initial piece up by uh legislative reporter will
00:07:54.360 vassar got a study out today from our friends at second street order on wait lists and there's
00:08:00.840 5 million canadians on a wait list right now uh not a good state of affairs for the uh health care
00:08:08.360 uh somebody way in alberta won the 90 million last night yeah i was very excited when i heard
00:08:13.320 that and then very disappointed when uh it was announced that it wasn't in calgary or edmonton
00:08:19.720 no it wasn't in prittis either as you know you could tell i'd have a better suit jacket yeah
00:08:23.720 yeah so uh i haven't checked my ticket yet i'm hoping for a free play now oh it's still 90 million
00:08:29.640 to a free plan get the next one that's a disappointment uh prime minister carney has
00:08:35.240 announced 7.8 million dollars in money for low-income housing in the dominican republic
00:08:41.640 oh well that that'll help us that will help us so i guess you're going to build some low-income
00:08:46.200 housing next to all the resorts down there it's i don't get it just don't get it it's true it's
00:08:52.680 It's day 30 of the BC election.
00:08:55.600 A poll is out today showing the NDP basically in free fall again.
00:09:00.400 Conservatives leading.
00:09:01.540 So BC reporter Alex Zoltan has got that covered in a notebook.
00:09:06.320 And a really interesting story.
00:09:08.040 Give credit to the CBC for breaking this one.
00:09:11.280 Crime Stoppers has been hacked across the country.
00:09:14.460 And 1.5 million files have been made public.
00:09:18.180 So if you got done for a crime, you can now go and look and see if it was your neighbour.
00:09:22.680 who turned you in incredible breach of security yeah it really kind of makes one think twice about
00:09:29.000 calling in on that anonymous tip line of all things to get bloody hacked oh god and apparently
00:09:33.520 the their computers weren't weren't even like set up to to avoid hacks so they they lack security
00:09:39.820 hadn't occurred to them the criminals might be crimes against you he would think so so there's
00:09:45.180 a lot of a lot of worried people out there i would suggest imagine well hopefully most of the 0.98
00:09:49.960 criminals are too stupid to find the lists and uh that is true that is true all right that's all 0.91
00:09:55.820 well what's going on we'll see what uh lines up in the next uh few hours it'll be busy right on 1.00
00:10:02.800 thanks dave see you on the pipeline you bet that is our news editor dave naylor busy as always he's
00:10:08.960 going to be the ever growing bearded dave naylor by the sounds of things so there's something you
00:10:13.080 can look forward to watching the progress as uh going forward this would like to remind everybody
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00:10:51.660 for a year that's not bad good volume discount so yeah i i've uh you know seen a lot of the
00:10:57.580 frustration i i'm getting annoyed with some of the the the federalist sides i gotta admit you
00:11:03.740 know on social media rubbing our noses in it it was a humiliating loss and it was it's finished
00:11:08.220 it's over and this and that you know guys that's absurd you know when we talk about the referendum
00:11:13.100 25% of the province we're talking a quarter of the province one in four people be careful on
00:11:20.920 insulting them I mean again I am fully admitting democracy spoke for the moment this question is
00:11:27.380 is off the table I mean it doesn't mean we stop pursuing it as I said as independent supporters
00:11:32.220 we just regroup we figure out how we do it better and we'll get there but we're not going to shut up
00:11:37.820 we're not going to give up and don't tell us to you know that that arrogant attitude don't forget
00:11:44.080 the size of the segment of the population you're speaking to it's going to be interesting to see
00:11:50.200 how uh smith balances this i mean i i i'm i'm just saying people got to be pragmatic and look
00:11:57.900 at some of the math we've got to look at things and we've always had to and i've talked about
00:12:01.800 that before as independent supporters and i'm certainly still one of them look at every one
00:12:06.480 of our moves, and then just take a pause and think for a minute, is it moving as closer to
00:12:11.620 independence? Is it moving as closer to independence? So for some of those yelling that they've got to
00:12:17.680 rip Premier Smith out of power. Okay, fine. What then? You know, what do you do next? Who do you
00:12:26.520 replace her with? Some people say, should we replace her with a fully independent supporting, 1.00
00:12:32.220 you know, a separatist premier? Okay, but look at the math now. When only 24% of the province at
00:12:37.840 this time, anyways, supports independence, what will that lead to? Well, more than likely, that'll
00:12:43.380 lead to Premier Nenshi, which would mean we won't get an independence vote for at least five or six
00:12:47.720 years. So think carefully. I just want to look with Steve Jensen. Hey, good to see you, Steve,
00:12:53.900 and a $5 super, by the way. I appreciate those. A leaked EU document suggests Alberta's economy
00:12:59.040 will collapse uh with energy taxes etc making our uh energy unsellable comments yeah i i saw that
00:13:06.320 that was in the the standard as well and going around some of the deal that he's putting on
00:13:11.920 unfortunately you know the the threat of alberta's independence is no longer
00:13:17.200 for the short term going to hold carney in check so we've got to look at other means to
00:13:24.640 try and protect ourselves for now like this is going to grow guys as we've seen
00:13:29.040 But the federal government is not going to get nicer to us now.
00:13:33.320 Changes that Premier Smith is proposing, the constitutional ones and things like that, they're not going to get through.
00:13:37.660 We know that.
00:13:39.160 But let's play the long game.
00:13:42.240 Some of the attitude out of the press conference, I was watching it just before I came in here with Premier Smith talking about, you know, there's no room for full out independence.
00:13:51.580 Now, I don't know if there's no room for independent supporters within the party, but it's just that's not on the party's mandate at this time.
00:13:56.900 It doesn't mean you can't be an independent supporter and still be in the car.
00:14:01.240 As I said, think of things on how we get closer to our goal.
00:14:04.400 I think you should still stay involved.
00:14:06.140 Still make sure you're getting independence-friendly people in there.
00:14:08.800 Still push for all of these changes.
00:14:10.520 What are some of the ones we can get for now as we move closer?
00:14:14.360 I'm still livid. I say it over and over again.
00:14:16.700 Why don't we have a provincial pension plan yet?
00:14:18.980 Why don't we collect our own taxes yet?
00:14:21.900 Why don't we have a provincial police force?
00:14:23.560 we've got things to work on right now and we should work on them and if you want to pull
00:14:32.040 smith out fair enough fine but i just think again is that advancing independence and can it not wait
00:14:38.300 because we're looking at a long game look at the numbers now can it not wait a year then until
00:14:42.640 after a general election because we really have to look pragmatically and wisely right now that's
00:14:48.920 all just think about it that's all all right let's bring in michael harris i've been looking forward
00:14:53.360 that i've run across him in a number of incidents you see him all over the place he's been very
00:14:56.880 active he's a deputy leader of the libertarian party he's uh been involved in i i believe in
00:15:02.160 the wild rose and he certainly was an independent supporter and he was also helping out scrutineering
00:15:08.320 for long shifts during the campaign uh watching the vote process and such going on so uh thanks
00:15:13.680 for coming on the show michael i've uh good to talk to you well thank you for inviting me on
00:15:18.160 cory there's quite a lot that i have to talk about here with you today well look we'll get through as
00:15:24.640 much as we can in 15 minutes i i know initially what you wanted to talk about though and i saw
00:15:28.640 that in a tweet as well uh you scrutineered you put in some long shifts and and uh you know you
00:15:34.880 you witnessed a lot of things throughout uh the course of the day some of it was you're putting
00:15:39.680 out i think the term you used was like uh elections alberta was criminally understaffed
00:15:43.360 and some of the issues with resources, organization.
00:15:49.500 Well, I guess where to begin?
00:15:50.600 Let us know what you got up to and what you're thinking.
00:15:53.800 Well, the issue started as soon as I walked in
00:15:56.380 because they were not ready to receive people to actually go and vote.
00:16:01.240 They started right at 9, but unfortunately, right as they opened up,
00:16:04.640 they had to tell people to immediately go back and say,
00:16:06.960 we're not ready, we need another 10 minutes.
00:16:09.400 Well, okay.
00:16:10.220 I went in because I actually had to vote before I went to go scrutineer. And when I went to go and
00:16:15.440 vote, the first thing that I was handed was ripped ballots. So before I even was able to cast my vote
00:16:21.720 before I was even able to go and scrutineer, I was handed a handful of spoiled ballots. And if I like
00:16:28.800 I'm smart, you know, I can I can go and see in that that's obviously going to be considered a
00:16:32.580 spoiled ballot. If I wasn't paying attention, would I would just be given ballots that were
00:16:37.580 just completely unable to actually go and vote with. That was my impression, just the very
00:16:43.020 beginning. And unfortunately, yes, they were very criminally understaffed. And I say that
00:16:47.580 criminally because actively there were issues that were caused throughout the day because they
00:16:53.060 didn't have enough staff to support their own operations. They had one person operating per
00:16:58.120 table. The entire registration desk was comprised of one person, one sweet old lady that was running 1.00
00:17:03.860 the stand and they had hundreds and thousands of people come in throughout the day you need more 0.94
00:17:09.500 than just one person especially one person that was working for eight hours straight with no break
00:17:13.940 you need more than that it didn't help that the site supervisor the guy who was in charge of
00:17:18.560 elections alberta at the location was kind of incompetent he was running around constantly
00:17:24.420 trying to get his people in order he was yelling at them berating them and at one point i actually
00:17:29.200 witnessed him swatting elections alberta staff now i don't know like i know you guys are part
00:17:35.340 of the older generation you know you might as might be used to swan people that aren't doing
00:17:38.840 their job properly but it was a shock to me to see someone actively physically assaulting staff
00:17:44.180 members in the midst of their job i don't care if they were they were slow in their job or not
00:17:48.400 that was that was crazy that's crazy as a site supervisor and as a representative of elections
00:17:53.700 Alberta, you are actively swatting and hitting members of your own organization. And because
00:18:01.060 of that incompetence led to a couple of issues throughout the day. And the biggest issue of
00:18:05.940 which was that they almost let three PR members into the voting area to go and vote. So because
00:18:12.040 the registration desk was so understaffed, all they did was look at the person's driver's license
00:18:17.680 and say, fill out this form and go on in to vote. That's all they did. That would be the only
00:18:22.920 protection that they had to actually verify whether or not they were able to vote so usually most
00:18:28.040 people registered to vote prior to the election you get your slip in the mail you come in and you
00:18:32.840 go and vote if you don't have that you have to go to registration desk and unfortunately because of
00:18:37.720 their lax policies and because they were absolutely rushing people through they weren't actually
00:18:42.040 checking whether or not their documents were correct and thought three people got through
00:18:46.040 the registration desk without actually verifying that their documents were correct and i noticed it
00:18:50.760 i was i was also being uh rushed because of i had to like just look at so many different people at
00:18:57.560 the same time but what i did notice and this was how i was able to catch them was because in the
00:19:03.080 new driver's licenses that have been issued in the last i believe year and a half here if you're a
00:19:08.280 canadian citizen it has a black maple leaf in the top right of the driver's license and these three
00:19:15.720 individuals didn't have that and i i called them out to their face saying are you a canadian
00:19:19.800 citizen and they said no and i had to escort them from the building and i had to get staff to help
00:19:25.180 me with escorting them from the building had i not intervened i have reason to believe elections
00:19:31.240 alberta would have let these guys go and vote because they were at the the voting voting desk
00:19:35.800 they were about to be handed their ballots and they would have been handed their ballots had i
00:19:39.460 not intervened and questioned them on their canadian citizenship that is the reality unfortunately of
00:19:45.500 our voting area. I don't know if it was similar issues in other polling stations,
00:19:50.900 but for the Bishop O'Brien polling station, it was a complete shit show. Excuse my language, 0.99
00:19:57.860 but it really was. Well, there's a lot to unpack there. I mean, one of it, I mean, I'm a Gen Xer,
00:20:03.360 so somewhat considerably older than you, but it's still been frowned upon through most of my
00:20:07.540 working career for anybody to ever lay hands on another person in a work environment. That's just
00:20:11.220 not not kosher uh did you put any kind of report in since then at least i mean this is you know
00:20:16.740 pretty serious for people trying to work for a living or do their thing it should be corrected
00:20:20.460 i'm certain that elections alberta wouldn't condone that sort of thing so have you put some
00:20:25.460 sort of a formal complaint in or have the persons uh pressured by this person had that sort of
00:20:30.220 complaint put in so as a scrutineer your job is also to report technically my main job is to be
00:20:36.400 there to stand, look and report. And I think I submitted at least 47 different reports throughout
00:20:41.620 the day of all the different interviews, which goes both to the UCP and to Gord, who is the
00:20:46.140 chief returning officer for the election. So I'm hoping something will be get will get done from
00:20:51.420 it. I filled out a full report, I did my due diligence, it's in their hands now whether the
00:20:55.840 UCP pursues reform or the elections Alberta themselves. But outside of that, the best I can
00:21:03.620 do is letting you folks know what I witnessed and what I saw. Yeah, well, and I was concerned about
00:21:09.280 that quite early, especially when we saw some of the numbers coming from Elections Alberta. They
00:21:12.500 were telling everybody, okay, we have set a goal of having this many employees for this vote,
00:21:16.820 and we've hired this many. And they barely, I think, got about two-thirds of what their intended
00:21:22.380 amount of staff were. If you've got a one-day exercise with that many hours, and you're only
00:21:27.060 at two-thirds of the capacity you wanted to be, it's hard to imagine it not being really problematic
00:21:32.580 in a lot of places.
00:21:33.820 Now, that doesn't necessarily favor one side or another in the vote,
00:21:37.160 but it certainly makes it harder to feel confident in the outcomes of those votes, doesn't it?
00:21:42.540 Absolutely.
00:21:43.700 Like I said, it was just incompetence from the beginning to end.
00:21:47.720 There was other issues that I saw.
00:21:49.420 Just a lot of people, like, they were just overwhelmed.
00:21:52.500 They weren't given breaks, especially the staff.
00:21:56.040 Like, I was okay not giving a break because I was there volunteering.
00:21:58.860 But these guys, they were paid staff.
00:22:00.560 And the lady that was working at the registration desk was not only by herself dealing with all the people that were coming in, but she worked eight hours straight without a break.
00:22:10.220 She wasn't allowed to go on break because there was no one else to cover for her. 1.00
00:22:13.180 If she left to go on break, the registration desk would have to be closed for 30 minutes.
00:22:16.940 And they let that happen until the next person came in to take her ship.
00:22:20.920 So unfortunately, from beginning to end, it was just it was poorly organized.
00:22:26.700 So, well, there's a couple of things we need to do.
00:22:28.760 One of which was, and it is hard because you're talking about the new driver's licenses showing, you know, potential citizenship and such, but that's still a tiny minority of those at this point.
00:22:37.360 One of the questions on the ballot actually was possibly making it so that we have a better form of identification.
00:22:41.640 So hopefully we move on with that.
00:22:45.860 You think that would solve it, though?
00:22:47.260 I mean, we should just have some sort of generalized identification to show a person's citizenship status.
00:22:51.500 I mean, that just so it can be clearly and quickly checked so you don't have to do a big paper chase in the front, especially when you only have one person at a desk.
00:22:58.260 Absolutely.
00:22:58.760 so otherwise what other reforms would you see i mean it is difficult because you're organizing
00:23:07.000 such a massive thing in such a relatively short period of time these are temporary jobs it's hard
00:23:11.400 to find people just you know hey do you want to work a crazed shift for anywhere from five to
00:23:16.280 one day it might be for you know a decent amount of money but not huge and people working full
00:23:20.120 time they can't commit to do a temporary job like that how could elections alberta
00:23:24.600 reduce that workload or better prepare for that well i think allocating their funds more properly
00:23:32.620 i know a lot of people said that that smith purposely defunded elections alberta but in
00:23:37.900 fact they gave them 100 like what was 130 something million dollars for this yeah they
00:23:43.000 they misallocated those resources towards advertisements or towards you know going
00:23:48.940 going and harassing people on twitter instead of actually focusing on hiring staff and another
00:23:54.080 thing that i would i'd argue as well too is ensuring that there can actually be a valid
00:23:59.040 election because they they stopped the tpas from sending in scrutineers because they we were told
00:24:04.240 that there was too many there was too many scrutineers the more scrutineers and staff
00:24:08.080 through the entire day that i was working on elections day i was the only scrutineer from
00:24:12.480 any party that was at that location not a single other party sent another scrutineer there and i
00:24:17.520 I was overwhelmed myself. So them saying that they were overflown with with requests for
00:24:24.100 scrutineers was just a straight up fabrication. I don't think any of the times where I was actually
00:24:28.280 scrutineering, there was another person other than me working on those on those sites. So
00:24:32.980 another thing, let let more people come in to be to open up transparency, let the TPAs bring in
00:24:38.700 their own scrutineers or else it's just it was just completely unfair to all sides.
00:24:43.540 Yeah, well, it's scrutineering is very important. And for some of the viewers are not familiar
00:24:46.820 with it. I mean, it's actually an integral process that really, that's one of the reasons I do kind
00:24:51.280 of trust votes not to be rigged, because I've scrutiniered before. Most of the processes and
00:24:55.620 protections are pretty good, and as long as you've got eyes on them watching them, it's very difficult
00:24:59.520 to rig an election in Canada or Alberta. Again, it's because there's people watching all the time,
00:25:05.000 so it's a preventative measure. And that's your role, is to observe, and if you see things, not
00:25:09.840 to intervene, but to make sure that this was witnessed and reported on, and perhaps corrected
00:25:15.800 at the time if possible and to have them try to reduce the number of scrutineers i mean it just
00:25:21.940 reduces trust and it's not that hard i can understand they say we'd be overwhelmed with
00:25:26.080 scrutineers well you just set a role rule say okay four per polling area and we'll put it to a draw
00:25:33.580 between the tpas to put people in but allow some degree of action it can be done anybody could have
00:25:38.420 organized that especially with a hundred and some million dollars uh i was surprised then that there
00:25:42.880 were no other scrutineers there though for your shift i mean a lot of people applied i know that
00:25:47.120 yeah i i don't know what else to say they should they should have allowed them in like you're
00:25:52.560 saying have a have four have it be better organized allow other people allow independence
00:25:59.280 allow tpas to come in and scrutineer because that's how you have a good election that's how
00:26:03.100 you have a fair election that's open and transparent that's why you like you were saying
00:26:06.580 you know canada can have such a good democracy but i don't think it was very organized this time i
00:26:11.440 think if there's any doubt on any election this one i can cast quite a lot of doubt on it just
00:26:16.400 because of the fact that they didn't uh they weren't transparent they weren't transparent
00:26:21.580 with their money where they weren't transparent with staff and there were some staff that there
00:26:25.020 were there that weren't even trained till the day of and the fact that they just let these
00:26:30.220 scrutineers be denied while there was actively locations that either had none or just like me
00:26:35.360 where there was only one person on staff the entire day it shows like i said it shows a level
00:26:40.760 of incompetence that, like, they need to get their act together before the election next year,
00:26:45.220 or else I don't want to see these issues resurface again. Well, it's something to be said for the
00:26:50.480 election next year, at least, I would hope. It is a little more simple to manage in the sense of
00:26:55.100 you've already got a party system with how they're going to allow scrutineers for particular
00:27:00.400 candidates and so on, and it's just going to be a single ballot with candidates, presumably,
00:27:05.320 unless there are some referenda questions added
00:27:09.280 for some reason or another by next year.
00:27:11.080 It's not impossible, I guess.
00:27:12.680 So that makes it a bit more manageable, I imagine.
00:27:15.520 Like, you're not having the choke point
00:27:17.840 of people deciding between eight questions.
00:27:20.120 I was, or 10, I was kind of surprised
00:27:22.520 seeing some of the difference.
00:27:23.400 A lot of people didn't just vote all the way down
00:27:25.140 one side and all the way down the other,
00:27:26.440 but that means it took some time.
00:27:28.440 Yeah.
00:27:29.440 I mean, hey, that's democracy, you know.
00:27:31.380 I didn't vote yes on all the questions.
00:27:33.240 I didn't vote no down on all the questions.
00:27:34.940 That's why we were trying to talk to students about throughout this entire campaign. Don't listen to the people to say, just go vote one way, just because people are telling you to actually read the questions to what you want to see in reforms or autonomy in this province and go vote for with with your heart. And guess what? You know, majority of them voted yes on a majority of these questions, even though the separation question didn't go through.
00:27:56.100 I am satisfied that a lot of these autonomous questions like fighting for immigration reform went through that passed with a resounding majority.
00:28:05.920 And I'm hoping that we can hopefully Smith and the UCP can make some good reforms with that.
00:28:10.120 They have the mandate for it now. Hopefully, if they win the next election next year, they actually implement it instead of, you know, sitting on a chair.
00:28:17.780 I hope we can certainly make the processes better. So before I let you go, I want to talk a little more, though, about your your own activity.
00:28:23.020 You're a young person. You've been excellently active on university campuses and having discussions.
00:28:28.060 Unfortunately, it's a rarity to see an outspoken young libertarian out there.
00:28:33.080 What have you been getting up to on the ground in Alberta with your political stuff and how you've been helping with, you know, youth outreach?
00:28:39.240 Because it's always harder to get young people involved in things.
00:28:42.140 Yep. Well, my entire platform has been trying to get the youth out for this movement.
00:28:47.740 Ever since my by-election last year in Bow River Crowfoot, my main objective has been building towards this referendum and getting the young people at U of C, SAID, M, or U of A involved in it.
00:28:59.380 Whether they want to be against it or whether they want to be for it, get involved with it because there was a lot of apathy at the very beginning.
00:29:05.940 How I started with the campaign was actually volunteering with both the Forever Canada petition and State Free Alberta petition to get them to have tables and volunteers set up on campuses to speak with students about this referendum and their positions.
00:29:21.480 Specifically, State Free Alberta, we set up seven different tables at the University of Calgary campus to be able to talk with students and get their signatures towards that petition.
00:29:31.860 That's how it started. That's how the talk on campus started about this referendum and about independence. But it evolved into a small student rally that we had in September of this year, where we got people to be acknowledging that this referendum exists.
00:29:48.580 There's a lot of people like the RCP, the Revolutionary Communist Party, that would say that this referendum question was just fascist.
00:29:54.820 Anybody that voted yes was was a fascist.
00:29:56.700 And we tried to basically change that view.
00:29:59.360 The view was that you it's democracy.
00:30:01.400 We're voting for our future isn't fascist to want change.
00:30:05.020 It isn't fascist to want to vote on something.
00:30:08.000 And it ended off with us working with the Political Review Club.
00:30:12.500 It's an excellent organization on campus that allows for organizations to come in and speak with issues with students.
00:30:19.360 And I worked with them and Let's Talk Alberta to end off the campaign.
00:30:24.140 Speaking individually with students about each question, like I said previously, don't vote yes or no, depending on what people are telling you to.
00:30:33.820 Let's analyze each question.
00:30:35.420 What are your true values?
00:30:37.020 Let's see if you actually support what's being asked and go and vote yes or no, depending on what those values are.
00:30:42.060 And surprisingly, a lot of students came forward to support these efforts, whether it be volunteers or people that were just generally curious about what the referendum was about and how they could vote.
00:30:52.140 And throughout the last day, the last day that we set up our table, which was three days before the advanced polling opened up,
00:31:00.520 we had hundreds of students come up and said that they were going to be voting option two because they were dissatisfied with how this government was running our generation into the ground,
00:31:10.560 that they're making it harder for young people to be able to afford a home,
00:31:13.740 to be able to make a business, to be able to live.
00:31:16.360 And they were willing to put their foot down
00:31:17.800 and send a message to Ottawa to get that done.
00:31:20.640 And we're not even anywhere near close to being done.
00:31:24.040 You know, I'm going to be going into the grad program here soon
00:31:27.040 to finish up my master's degree and hopefully get a PhD in poli-sci.
00:31:31.860 So the Fayon campus will continue over the next couple of years here.
00:31:37.260 Right on.
00:31:38.060 I appreciate you taking all that time to be active.
00:31:40.560 while working on your academic career as well.
00:31:43.080 So, and for taking some time to come in to talk to us today.
00:31:45.760 So I really appreciate it.
00:31:47.100 You know, last thing before I let you go,
00:31:48.140 where can people find you and information on what you're up to?
00:31:51.860 Well, you can find me on all my socials,
00:31:54.380 X, Instagram, MichaelHarris4MP.
00:31:57.260 Same with my email, MichaelHarris4MP at gmail.com.
00:32:00.860 You can reach out to me night or day,
00:32:02.420 and I'll give you an answer on whether you just want to know what I'm up to.
00:32:05.200 If you want to get involved in activism on campus,
00:32:07.500 if you are running an organization,
00:32:09.320 you want to get involved more with the youth or you want more youth volunteers working with you,
00:32:13.720 I would love to partner with you.
00:32:15.520 Right on.
00:32:16.440 Okay, thanks.
00:32:17.120 Well, I'm certain we'll get to talk again sometime soon.
00:32:19.440 I'll let you get back on with your day there, Michael.
00:32:21.900 Thank you, Gord.
00:32:22.900 All right, thanks.
00:32:24.020 So over time, guys, yeah, it's Michael Harris, and you see him all over on the socials
00:32:26.940 and does something that is rare, not just among youth, but among grown people,
00:32:31.560 gets out of the house and gets on the ground and does things.
00:32:34.620 We need to do that.
00:32:35.260 I certainly couldn't miss him with that Gadsden flag you saw in the background of the interview
00:32:39.740 and when I did the rally last weekend on the legislature steps and this sea of blue flags
00:32:44.800 out there waving at us and one yellow one in the middle of the mix. I got a coffee mug just like
00:32:49.060 that. I got down in Bucky's in Texas, actually. But I love that Gadsden flag because it says
00:32:54.220 so much. People read the wrong thing into it. I mean, it's a very simple symbol. It says,
00:33:00.060 don't tread on me. It shows that rattlesnake sitting there. And rattlesnakes are the good
00:33:04.980 symbol for that because you know they're very very dangerous if you're gonna bug them but if you leave
00:33:10.740 them alone they're harmless and they give you lots of warning they rattle at you they give you a
00:33:16.020 symbol when i used to work in the you know surveying and we did desert jobs in the south
00:33:20.340 rattlers will let you know we're up in those timber rattlers up in pennsylvania just don't
00:33:25.700 bug them and that applies to a lot of people so many people i mean that's where i tend to
00:33:29.860 libertarian lean i'm pretty harmless as long as you leave me alone but you take me off and then
00:33:34.900 we're gonna have a problem so yeah the yellow stood out in amongst the blue but i didn't see
00:33:39.540 it as a bad distraction it's good to see young guys getting active taking part it it really is
00:33:44.740 uh and uh yeah carol's saying that as well good to see young people active it's it's important
00:33:51.140 i think even for some of the ones you see in the left when they're on campus
00:33:54.580 when they grow up and get into the working world they start paying taxes they start paying bills
00:33:59.460 a lot of that socialism tends to wash out you know the old saying i think it's attributed to
00:34:04.100 churchill but i think it's been attributed to a few i don't know if you're 20 and you're not a 0.93
00:34:07.860 socialist you have no heart and if you're 30 and you're still a socialist you have no brain
00:34:12.660 and it does apply a lot of them grow out of that but if they get those principles early that your
00:34:19.540 role is still to be politically active it's to be politically aware is to participate in the
00:34:25.700 the democracy in the votes, the elections, one way or another, it's only for the better for all
00:34:31.080 of us. It really is. So I really like what he's been doing out there. It's something else. So
00:34:35.720 another one that's coming up this weekend, speaking of political opportunism, the British
00:34:40.300 Columbia election is already here. Holy cow, this Saturday. You know, that's one of the things
00:34:45.100 I think BC does right, is actually, I think Saturday elections aren't a bad idea.
00:34:54.420 You know, I've seen that in some other jurisdictions and places before.
00:34:56.980 We're stuck on this Monday tradition for having voting days.
00:35:01.120 But why not do it on weekends?
00:35:03.820 I mean, that opens it up more.
00:35:05.260 Well, for one, as Michael was talking about, the understaffing.
00:35:08.460 It's difficult to get people to work the electoral polls because it's a temporary job.
00:35:15.140 You only have a few months to get them together, hire them, train them, get them into a spot.
00:35:18.960 and if they're working other full-time jobs they can't dedicate weekdays to do something like that
00:35:24.240 but maybe if it's a Saturday if it's just the one day that you're committing but that's the
00:35:28.020 busiest day is voting day it always is you increase your pool of people say yeah you know
00:35:33.420 what I might want to make some extra Christmas shopping money put in a long day on a Saturday
00:35:38.040 and work for an elections authority uh for doing that as well there's a better chance that just
00:35:42.960 people most often or fewer people are working on Saturdays. So it could increase that because
00:35:51.780 what we saw with elections, Alberta wasn't, I still have not seen any signs of corruption.
00:35:58.420 I've seen bias. You know, it was bizarre that he was giving Thomas Lukasik a pass,
00:36:02.760 the electoral officer and stuff like that. But nobody has directly been rigging things,
00:36:07.100 but we've seen a lot of them being overwhelmed, incompetent. I think there's a lot of things we
00:36:12.120 need to examine going forward from this and how we do these things because we need trust in the
00:36:19.300 system. For democracy to work, you have to trust the process. Because the results were so large
00:36:26.320 when it comes to the independent side, I'm not worried as much about the process. Had it been
00:36:32.420 48 to 52 or something, then you get worried because that's when you're seeing that this
00:36:37.940 needle could have been moved by some, some relatively minor things. And we should really
00:36:43.920 question the process. We should question the process anyways, no matter what, but at least
00:36:47.080 it removes that question. There's nothing they could have done that was going to move things by
00:36:50.180 26%. And with some of the people talking again about why to tear Smith out, why people are
00:36:57.680 ticked off at her. And I understand why. I don't think it was, if you're going to support direct
00:37:02.760 democracy. You're saying, we want to put this question directly to citizens and we'll honor
00:37:09.100 their choice. I think the government should just kind of stay out of it at that point. Then the
00:37:12.760 point is to hear from citizens and make your decision based on it, if that's the principle
00:37:16.840 you're following. But if you start the process and then put your thumb on the scale and spend
00:37:21.820 4 million tax dollars campaigning for one side, that's not respecting the process as it's supposed
00:37:25.980 to be. But again, I don't think any difference in campaigning she would have done one way or 0.99
00:37:32.400 another would have moved at 26%, that we were not ready to win this.
00:37:38.040 We have to accept that right now.
00:37:39.220 It's not to say we give up it's self-examination and finding out why we
00:37:44.380 couldn't, because if we try to claim it was rigged, it was fixed, it was wrong.
00:37:47.560 It was bad, that's defeatism.
00:37:52.020 And that won't help us build that base of support we need to do to win this
00:37:54.920 legitimately, we need introspection.
00:37:58.780 We need to admit we did some things that weren't good enough yet.
00:38:02.760 So how do we change that?
00:38:07.680 So, you know, somebody said something along the lines of the comment went away already,
00:38:11.780 but with Smith saying she's going to kick independent supporters out of the party.
00:38:15.480 I didn't gather that from the conference what I saw, but the bottom line was saying,
00:38:19.160 yeah, she doesn't expect candidates to put that on the table when they run. 0.95
00:38:21.800 That's not on the mandate of the party members.
00:38:25.220 Again, let's look at political realism, guys, please.
00:38:28.780 If we've got a bunch of candidates running in a year from now, if they all came in and they wore it on their sleeve saying, I'm campaigning on full Alberta independence, the best they could hope for province-wide if things don't change extremely dramatically would be 24%.
00:38:45.880 The other way to spell that is Premier Nenshi.
00:38:52.400 We need to build the base, then work the party.
00:38:56.040 We're trying to do it the other way around.
00:38:58.780 You don't want a party being led by somebody in a small minority position on something.
00:39:04.000 It's just not a recipe to win.
00:39:07.800 So we've got to think harder.
00:39:11.660 We've got to ask people who voted for option one.
00:39:16.640 It would take some time.
00:39:17.520 We don't need to do this right away.
00:39:18.620 We've got time now at this point.
00:39:21.020 I think I've got more patience in me than some other people because I've been at it for 26 years.
00:39:25.040 I had to learn to be patient.
00:39:26.460 I started the Alberta Independence Party when I was 29.
00:39:28.780 you know what if we'd held a referendum at that time and Albertans were worked
00:39:32.980 up then Christian had us furious another liberal wind had come in they've been
00:39:36.880 treating Alberta poorly I think even if we'd run an incredibly great campaign
00:39:41.400 we would have been lucky to break 15% it's grown up now to the point of a
00:39:48.700 quarter of Albertans it's growing but it's slow it's slow and but a slow
00:39:56.580 growth a slow movement is a solid one that quarter of albertans is also one that isn't going away
00:40:03.060 that's not one that's going to dissolve it's not reactionary it's not a group of people who were
00:40:06.900 just upset this month or this week by some issue that just happened that was what people decided
00:40:11.460 after months of campaigning and months of thinking about it and putting their mark on it i think it's
00:40:16.420 something to be celebrated but it's also more than 25 short of where we'd want to go to win
00:40:22.820 You know, I see somebody screaming, Smith betrayed and this and that and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:40:30.580 That's excuses, guys.
00:40:32.880 Do you really think where she came from changed it by 26%?
00:40:42.280 As I said, some of the people say, well, we got the petition out.
00:40:45.580 You know, it should be honored.
00:40:48.460 we should hold another referendum based on the pure Clarity Act compliant question that people
00:40:54.800 were petitioning for. And I think that's what should have happened in the first place. I fully
00:40:58.040 agree. But you know what? When I see how we were organized for the campaign and everything, if that
00:41:02.300 had been held, if that had gone as it should have, because the court's gotten in the way,
00:41:07.000 we would have been gotten about 20%, maybe less. We aren't ready. Accept that and then figure out
00:41:15.760 how we can make ourselves ready.
00:41:18.280 How can we move the needle?
00:41:21.220 In some ways, getting the mushy question was a bit of a blessing.
00:41:25.200 I mean, the referendum campaign was called.
00:41:28.800 The reason I started a third-party advertising group, I didn't want to.
00:41:32.380 That wasn't what I aspired to do.
00:41:33.940 I wanted to be an independent member, media member, reporting on these things.
00:41:38.980 I wanted to be somebody supporting the independent side and certainly moving along that route.
00:41:43.040 but instead i sat for two weeks after a referendum was called only to see
00:41:49.780 alberta prosperity project vanish they went on chill they didn't update their website in a
00:41:56.220 month and a half stay free alberta vanished weeks were passing by and we didn't even have a campaign
00:42:01.880 starting so what the heck's going on how are we going to win if the largest group in the bunch
00:42:09.580 didn't even have a campaign plan so yeah i started a third-party advertising group to say well let's
00:42:15.020 get some signs in the ground let's get some blue out there let's get something started so jane and
00:42:19.420 i registered a third-party advertising group and it i thought again i was just gonna get the ball
00:42:24.860 rolling and get a a few hundred signs raise a few thousand dollars we ended up raising two hundred
00:42:29.020 thousand dollars and putting out tens of thousands of signs i had no regrets with that it just wasn't
00:42:34.140 until where i expected to go but the only reason that flooded in at the back because there was a
00:42:38.140 whole pile of albertans eager who just wanted to get rolling on a campaign and our biggest
00:42:42.460 organizations weren't ready to go they didn't do anything they didn't organize them they didn't
00:42:46.300 offer anything it's not to say they're all bad that there's some fantastic people in those
00:42:50.860 organizations so let's examine things why weren't they ready to campaign why did they stall at the
00:42:59.660 most critical time because if we do that again we'll lose again i want to have another referendum
00:43:09.180 but i want to win it and the only way we can win it is through two things
00:43:15.580 the political atmosphere has to be different not enough people are ready at this time
00:43:20.540 and we have to be more ready we have to be better at it so that we can move that needle
00:43:27.340 lacrosse two of those things and they can be done and we got to think of things that way but right
00:43:30.800 now just going out in rage trying to burn down the world isn't going to do it i see another super
00:43:35.700 coming in i appreciate that uh yeah you know uh just as we close things off for seven dollars
00:43:40.780 from milan nexus saying i think carney saying no to the nine was a bit too far in my opinion
00:43:44.100 it's a step beyond federal boundary i i get the lobby against separation but everything yeah i
00:43:48.660 know that was one of the things i went off at uh uh when i was uh at the rally last weekend
00:43:55.260 because he doesn't get it.
00:43:57.660 You know, you come out here right in the cusp of a vote.
00:44:00.920 What you should have been doing
00:44:02.060 is to come out here to listen to us,
00:44:03.240 not to tell us what to do.
00:44:04.860 That's the time to say, why are you this upset?
00:44:06.720 Why are you wanting to change things?
00:44:08.180 But Laurentians can't do that. 0.98
00:44:09.600 They're too arrogant to their core. 0.94
00:44:11.540 And for him to tell us which way to vote on those nine, 0.86
00:44:13.960 yeah, it was way beyond the pale.
00:44:15.920 And they will do a lot of the things
00:44:17.460 to change the atmosphere on our behalf.
00:44:19.420 They will.
00:44:20.140 The system itself will make independent support grow.
00:44:24.060 But it's up to us to properly harness that growth
00:44:27.060 and turn it into a movement that can win a referendum.
00:44:30.240 And that's why we've got to take this period right now
00:44:32.240 to think about those things on how we can do it
00:44:35.060 rather than just being upset.
00:44:37.340 I think we did a whole pile of things right.
00:44:38.860 I think thousands of people did an incredible job
00:44:41.280 over this last five months.
00:44:42.800 I know dozens who just,
00:44:44.200 I couldn't believe the amount of work
00:44:45.580 they put in Mystery Mrs. Albertan.
00:44:47.320 You name it, I don't want to start listing them
00:44:48.580 because I'll neglect way too many people.
00:44:50.740 And we can maintain that movement,
00:44:52.340 maintain those fantastic supporters and put it together to build something more so we do win it
00:44:58.700 down the road but don't rip everything down immediately on a tantrum think longer and think
00:45:04.200 better all right guys i'll leave it off at that we're going to be doing the the pipeline a few
00:45:08.280 of us will break down more of that on a panel tonight at seven o'clock and uh be sure to
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