CORY MORGAN SHOW： The Alberta independence campaign must clean itself up
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In this episode of The Cory Morgan Show, I chat with Conservative Party of Quebec Leader Eric Duhaime about the independence movement, the Centurion project, and the leak of voter information by David Parker's Centurion Project.
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Cory Morgan show. Oh man, what a, what a week it's been a whole bunch of good and a whole bunch
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of bad. If you're an independent supporter, I'm kind of going to cover a little bit of both of
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that in the, in the, my monologue that I'm going to read in a moment. My interview is going to be
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a little unusual today in the sense that it had to be prerecorded, but it is Eric Duham of the
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Conservative Party of Quebec, the leader of it. People forget there is a Conservative Party over
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there and it's been making gains. I mean, they're not looking to, to be winning this fall's election
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probably, but they could certainly be impacting it in a big way. So it was an interesting
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conversation with him, a rational politician out of Quebec. Otherwise, let's see some of
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the folks. I see commenters already, Wayne and John. Good to see you, John and Wayne
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and NB Lakes and Paradoxia. Yeah, lots to discuss, lots to talk about and lots breaking,
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but we'll get into the area. What I wanted to speak of, as I said, it's been a really good
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weak for the independence movement and and it's really been bad and we've got to do better but
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uh i'll explain a little of that so alberta i mean we're at a turning point in history mitch
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sylvester and i get nothing but good things to say about mitch with stay free alberta presented
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over 301 000 signatures to the election elections alberta office demanding a referendum be held on
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the word independence the signature collection was process it was meticulous there's over 7 000
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volunteers registered. They took training and then demanded the identification for every signature
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offered to the petition. The bar to trigger a petition for a referendum or to trigger a
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referendum with a petition was set at 178,000, comfortably surpassed. It was a remarkable
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accomplishment achieved during the darkest, coldest months of winter. And anybody claiming it was an
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easy thing to achieve is either lying or they've never actually petitioned before. And that petition
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presentation the other day was celebratory as it should be. Hundreds of supporters gathered for the
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event and the energy was palpable. I wish I could have made it up. Alas, I was stuck down here.
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Unfortunately, though, a dark cloud of controversy also hung in the background during that event due
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to the alleged leak of voter information by David Parker's Centurion Project. A news cycle that
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should have been overwhelmed with positive imagery of the independence movement passing an important
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milestone was disrupted with constant chatter about laws being broken and privacy being
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violated. It doesn't crush the movement by any means, but it was a self-inflicted setback that
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never should have happened. With the petitioning finished, the independence movement must now
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evolve into a campaigning phase in anticipation of a fall referendum. And this is going to be
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different than the petitioning campaign. In petitioning, people who already supported
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independence engaged themselves, and they sought out the signatures of hundreds of thousands of
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Albertans who wanted to see a referendum question on the issue. And while the process in itself
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surely led to converting many to the independent side of the fence, it still left a large and mushy
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undecided middle of the population who must be won over by October 19th, and it's not going to
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be easy. To begin with, this independence movement must be squeaky clean. There can be no whiffs of
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corruption or misdoing or it will sink any chance of winning the trust in support of citizens by
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voting time. Perhaps the mess caused by the Centurion Project debacle is something of a
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blessing as it offered this hard lesson while there's still nearly six months to recover from
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it and to campaign. A mistake made by many independent supporters when the news broke
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of the apparent misuse and public sharing of information from the electors list though was
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to circle the wagons and try to defend it. Some tried to liken the information to that contained
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in a phone book, and others tried to claim the leak was all part of a conspiracy orchestrated
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by Elections Alberta. Both approaches only created mistrust within the general population,
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which now must be countered. The breach of information should have been immediately
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condemned and quarantined. When the referendum on independence is held in Alberta this fall,
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it's going to be a yes or no question on the ballot, but the voters are going to have to
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answer two questions to themselves before making their mark. They're going to, of course,
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have to determine if they want Alberta to be independent, but they're also going to be asking
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themselves if they trust the independence movement to lead the province after that into a better
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place. A person committed to independence could still end up voting no if it appears the movement
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is dominated by corrupt or inept players within it. Mitch Silvestri responded excellently when
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asked about the Centurion Project mess. He said that David Parker had approached him with the
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concept, but that he felt there could be issues with the legality and chose not to be associated
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with it. That apparently led to friction between Sylvester and Parker, which is a good thing.
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Mitch directly addressed the issue and stated clearly how it has nothing to do with the group
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petitioning. It also exposed actually a glimmer of David Parker's nature. The independence movement
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is made up by a number of groups, and that's been an advantage and a disadvantage. It's allowed
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people to move forward together towards a shared goal, but it also leads to some mixed messaging.
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There will be no political party or singular organization speaking for the independence
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its movement in the next few months. The movement still, though, it must try to centralize some of
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the messaging to a degree and ensure only credible people like Mitch speak for it. Characters like
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David Parker and Cam Davies, who already have well-established checkered histories, must be
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kept as far out of the movement as possible. People like Mitch, Sylvester must step up and
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take a more active role in speaking for the movement. He should be the one speaking to the
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press guys, nobody else. The middle must be one, and Sylvester's rational, positive, and calm
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approach wins people over. If the movement is represented by a loud, corpulent caricature of a
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cowboy screaming about commies, it will be lost. It'll take some strength and potential conflict
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to move the damaging elements within the movement into the background or out of it altogether.
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But this must be done if the trust of voters is going to be gained. They don't see a bunch of
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different groups, guys. They just see one independence movement. And if Mavericks are
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continued to be embraced, it's only going to give the opponents ammunition. The independence movement
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has flourished almost despite itself. To get over this largest hurdle that's coming now though,
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it must begin acting strategically and prove it's trustworthy. It can't sustain scandals
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and to prevent those, the known bad actors must be ejected sooner rather than later.
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That's my thoughts on this week so far. All right Dave, what else have we got going on our news
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that had lost to cover corpulent i wanted to make a certain person look up a dictionary i wonder who
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that could be i don't know there's lots of people like it could be the the michelin tire man there
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you go you've had a busy week on twitter haven't you holy cow wearing out the finger you've been
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fighting with everybody yeah yeah it's a but your own people right you i would say you've been
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fighting with other independents well you know i won't fault i mean a lot of the people who are
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are pro-independence folks and they aren't communicators they aren't campaigners that's
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been the great thing of this movement you know all these new people getting involved but they
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better understand and i don't think they do the dangers of what just happened and they're doubling
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down on it and it's making it worse and i i just i'm gonna try and counter it as much as i can
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guys if you go out there you know jason kenny had his information exposed and for people saying well
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kenny did this kenny did that kenny fine but you're not addressing the problem that a former
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premier's personal information was exposed. You've got to call that out. And I'm going to call these
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guys out. Guys, you're making this worse. Yeah. There's a couple of groups here that I think
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are in big trouble. And here's, I think, another one of your problems is the slow moving pace of
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the RCMP. They're likely to have people arrested or people charged in the weeks coming up in October
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all that distraction. But I think they could still just consciously start putting more of those other
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voices. You know, when Mitch did his press scrum the other day, it was really good. Why isn't Mitch
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more often the one speaking to the media? They've got to kind of choose who their official
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spokespeople are and keep that message controlled at least to the people who tend to speak a little
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better on those things. Too many egos in there, I think. I think so. Let's see what happens. I'm
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getting hate mail again but whatever it's nothing new to me i just i'm usually used to getting it
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from the left no exactly strange strange days so uh the whole mess here is sort of leading off our
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our website with jason kenney saying he's gonna get a lawyer i'm gonna go uh sue david parker in
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the centurion project as for those who don't know what happened they were having a seminar for for
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people and uh they put up his his personal information that they got from the uh from
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the elections uh alberta people you know his home address and stuff like that it's in this day and
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age very dangerous right i mean there's lots of kooks out there as we know oh yeah uh so you know
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if i'm jason kenny i'm pissed too so i i'd be suing uh i'd be suing david parker for whatever
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money he's got well i mean it might be just whatever you can get a chip for the institution
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commissary might be the only uh assets that he has pretty soon but we'll see there you go uh
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my favorite story of the week is and it's a morbid one is the uh the rat infested uh hantavirus death
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ship oh it's horrible it's crazy uh turns out today we find out that it was uh it was brought
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onto the ship by an argentinian couple who had been bird watching in argentina and then they
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started rare cases of human to human transmission so there's three people dead on a boat now they're
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finding that people who have left the boat or you know left the cruise they're coming down with it
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now there's a man and a man and his wife in uh in switzerland who have been tested positive they
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So, uh, that ship was supposed to dock in the Canary Islands to get some people
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medical help and the, uh, the government there refused permission.
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So there's like this ship wandering the ocean blue with nowhere to go.
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I mean, imagine that it's gotta be, you know, this is serious.
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Like this isn't even just talking COVID level things.
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So, I mean, if you get it, I did need to be locked on that.
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I mean, most of the people presumably still stuck on it
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are healthy, but you want to get off this thing.
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He's now being done with multiple counts of child luring
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So I guess the question is, is he going to represent himself?
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Even realtors, I always find they're just kind of people who are, there's good and bad, but they're unusual folks.
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Parks Canada says they're redoing the way they manage forests.
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They're now trying to clean that up, be more proactive instead of waiting until the town burns down.
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And Honda has put a hold on a $15 billion electric vehicle plant in Ontario.
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so i just wonder what the total is that canadian taxpayers are out because of what governments
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what was it the stellantis one a bunch of others and ends we just tossed something like tens of
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billions of dollars somebody kindly on my behalf pulled up a tweet i threw at justin trudeau a
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couple of years ago talking about this is what's going to happen with it i thank them for watching
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my stuff to give me that i told you so moment there you go boy that's a lot of money flushed
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on this and uh we're nearing the end of the bc conservative leadership race so our alex zoltan
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out there and lotus land is has got an update on what the latest uh promises are right on well
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yeah alex has been covering it excellently yeah he's doing a good job it's a big deal the ndp
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are going into the toilet so this is a very good chance whoever wins this race could be bc's next
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yeah they're uh i think we had to pull they're up by 10 points now aren't they and they don't
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even have a leader huh it shows up bad yeah yeah he's dead man walking right on well i'll let you
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get back and catch uh caught up i know this morning's been uh it's been a bit of a hectic
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I appreciate you taking the time to share the headlines with us.
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Yes, laying down all of this stuff breaking and going on.
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So I got to remind everybody the reason we can do that,
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the reason Dave can have that pack of reporters to manage
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and get those stories out is because you've subscribed.
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And if you haven't yet, westernstandard.news slash subscription.
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And you get past that paywall, and it supports all of this stuff.
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You're the only one who is inept Ukraine baffoon.
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See, this is the commentary from the independence movement.
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There's the nature of social media now, though.
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we need to be a little more careful with uh who's speaking for things in general this person of
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course clearly isn't another person saying we need a leader to move this forward yeah i'm not sure
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like how do we do that um red tide making a good point you know self-inflicted how do you stop
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people from doing this crap okay red tide so someone will explain quickly before i get to my
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guest is the characters behind this were well known to those of us who have already been in
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politics for some years we always knew that parker and davies were toxic we really did then most of
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us wisely stay the heck away from either of those two others some of the senior levels within this
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movement should have known that uh thankfully they didn't fully jump into bed with the centurion
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project but they already should have been putting up walls between the two of them right off the
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bat and the second this broke they should have said whoa we got nothing to do with that that's
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crazy dave not us either way we'll talk more about that after my guest as i said it's a rare
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one it was pre-recorded uh eric duham he is the leader of the conservative party of quebec he
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came out here to Alberta and had a chat in studio the other day. So have a listen to this and we'll
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talk some more. Thank you very much for taking the time to join us today, Mr. Dahem. I guess
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the first question I got to ask though, as a provincial politician in an election year
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from Quebec, what brings you to Alberta right now? Well, first off, thank you for welcoming me.
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What brings me to Alberta and everywhere all across Canada, because we're touring Canada,
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I was in Saskatchewan earlier last week and BC leaning to Ontario tonight. So what brings us
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here is that I just launched a book, Destination Autonomy, where, you know, we're talking in favor
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of decentralization, giving more powers to provinces, respecting the constitution of this
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country, because there's a huge, you know, sentiment right now of unfairness all across
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Canada. And we have a liberal government in Ottawa that is centralizing more and more and more,
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that is running huge deficit, historic deficits year after year. It's worse than Trudeau right
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now. And people get frustrated in regions. The separatist movements are growing out west and in
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Quebec because of that. And we need to make sure that, you know, it's not because they call
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themselves Captain Canada in Ottawa that the liberals are. They're actually the ones feeding
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the separatist movement right now and the frustration in all of our regions. And we need
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to push back. We need to create alliance with autonomous just like me, just like here, Premier
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Smith or Premier Moe or the BC Conservatives, we need to make an alliance together to give
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ourselves a bargaining power so we defend provincial rights and jurisdictions.
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Great. Mr. Riet, so you're running the Conservative Party of Quebec.
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There is a Conservative base of support out there, but it's been difficult. I mean,
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you've got very much of a mixed legislature of the National Assembly there.
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And when I took over as leader, we did 13% in the last election.
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We had our first member crossing the floor three, four weeks ago.
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The former Natural Resource Minister, Maïté Blanchet-Vizna, came over and joined us.
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If there were an election today, according to the latest polls, we would have somewhere between 10 and 14 members in the National Assembly.
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We'd actually have the balance of power in a minority government.
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So it's not too bad for a start after only four or five years.
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I can tell you that Conservatives are back in Quebec
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and they're going to be back in the National Assembly
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So that balancing, as you pointed out, with Scott Moe, Premier Smith,
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I mean, there's a very lively independence movement going on in Alberta right now.
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Premier Smith isn't overly supportive of the independence movement,
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but she understands that Ottawa is a problem, the Liberal government is a problem, or possibly the
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system is a problem. That balancing act for conservative leaders right now is very difficult
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to achieve. How can you maintain, I guess, the support for conservatism while still convincing
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the voters that you would stand up for the autonomy of the vote?
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Well, you're right that it's a battle because it's an equilibrium and we want to tell people,
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you know don't give up and make sure that we can win battles and that's why we keep pushing
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and that's why i'm publishing a book and that's why we're going to campaign on that because
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uh you might know but the separatists right now the party quebecois is leading in the polls right
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now in quebec so if there were an election today we would have a separatist government in quebec
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city um which is not a good news for national unity obviously but uh which is not a good news
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for Alberta neither, because I think both our provinces are allies in many ways, forms and
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shapes when it comes to Ottawa. We're sick and tired of the Ottawa knows best. And we have to
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realize that, you know, we need to build bridges between us. We have much more in common than
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anyone else. And that's my purpose. And that's why I think we should even have the leaders of
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of the conservative parties in each province to meet together at least once a year to talk about autonomy
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I mean, we have a constitution where the fathers of confederation decided that there's going to be two sovereign government
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in their own jurisdictions, the provinces and the federal government.
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But unfortunately, when the liberals are in power in Ottawa, they think they have a government that's dominating the provinces.
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And they don't even seem to understand the basis of the constitution of this country.
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And there has been successful things happening in Alberta.
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If you look at Danielle Smith, she adopted a law on the sovereignty of Alberta within the United Canada Act.
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In Saskatchewan, they adopted Saskatchewan first.
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They're doing things that are giving them more power.
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They won over the environmental evaluation for their natural resources programs with a new pipeline.
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Like, there's issues that they were able to move.
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It's because of the pressure that Alberta is putting on the federal government and the bargaining power that they gave themselves.
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A guy from Quebec, Stephen Guilbeault, resigned because he disagreed with Mark Carney having to sign a deal with Daniel Smith.
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And that's the kind of thing we like to do and we want to do and we want to imitate Alberta.
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You know, Quebecers have inspired Alberta in terms of autonomy for a long time.
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And now it's kind of the reverse a bit. I mean, Alberta is inspiring us.
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I have the book here that I want to show you just to make sure.
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Discination autonomy. People see it. It's in French also. Of course, it's bilingual.
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And can I tell you an anecdote about this book?
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I launched it a little bit more than two weeks ago in Quebec city at a bookstore and the radical
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left decided that they don't like me launching a book. So they started the boycott of the bookstore.
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It's a small bookstore, independent bookstore, and it's a tough business these days.
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And they attacked, you know, the owners of the bookstore are not political activists. They're
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just, they're doing that with any author that wants to launch a book at their bookstore.
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and you know the cancel culture today is so crazy that they wanted to you know attack the them
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professors at a college came out saying that asking their students to also boycott the
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bookstore where they normally buy their books and so on so it's it became kind of a controversy by
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itself even if the issue is not that controversial to talk about the evolution of power but we live
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in a woke culture now so that's what happens. It's unfortunate with the cancel culture and
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particularly again when they come after conservatives I mean you aren't coming from a
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fringe you're just coming from a good classical liberal or conservative position typically.
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Speaking of the autonomy more though I mean Alberta I think we're hearing more of that
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language here saying you know we should be learning from Quebec rather than complaining
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about Quebec as much as we used to. There is a lot of ability within the constitution to assert
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ourselves we just haven't been effectively doing it as much whereas Quebec has more of an attitude
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of, well, we're going to do it anyway and move ahead, but is there ever going to be a chance
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for constitutional reform? Because there are some issues we have in Cal, in Alberta, where
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the system has some problematic things within it, but nothing shy of constitutional reform will
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help us with that. We've been that way. We tried that path. It was a huge fiasco and I don't think
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there's a lot of appetite to reopen the constitution and start a new round of negotiations and trying
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to find seven provinces out of 10 with 50% of the population or all sorts of rules that are needed
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to change any kind of thing. But the problem is not necessarily the constitution per se. The
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problem is the interpretation that the Liberals did and the spending power that they gave themselves.
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When you have a federal government that is having a $60 billion deficit, it's because they're not
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minding their own business. And that's not because the constitution is not proper, it's because the
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government in Ottawa is not well intended. There are ways to put pressure. Anyway, the model,
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the federal liberal's model is not sustainable in the long run. They're going to run out of money.
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You can't keep going the way they are. They can't implement their federalism vision for the long
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run because we can't afford it. I think that we can work within the current framework and at least
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you know, push forward to that and see where it leads. But for a new round of constitutional
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negotiations, I don't know in Alberta, but in Quebec, I can tell you that the appetite is not
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quite there. No, and the appetite isn't here either, but that's part of what's leading to
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the independence movement because there's issues such as the Senate and equalization that people
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would like to see changes with, but can't change without constitutional reform. Well, when we talk
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about autonomy, the autonomy is also about money. And that's why, as you know, I'm someone who
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supports the exploitation of natural resources in Quebec, particularly natural gas.
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I think it's important. We have to stop depending on transfer payments and depend more on our own
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people and our own natural resources. Autonomy, yes, it's power and it's constitution, but it's
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also financial. We're talking about sovereignty and independence, but the first sovereignty and
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independence and especially nowadays it starts with our energy i mean if you can't if you're
00:24:47.980
dependent on your energy about from other people coming from elsewhere you you have a huge problem
00:24:53.660
and it goes with some people are realizing that when these bills are coming in right now
00:24:57.660
we have to realize it it's a huge problem we're in quebec we thought we had energy forever you
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know because we have hydroelectricity and we thought that quebec was very wealthy well now
00:25:06.780
we realize we have a shortage. So even in Quebec, you know, and there are some very
00:25:12.540
large gas deposits that could be developed if the will was there. So I guess moving on though,
00:25:17.900
you're in a campaign year, you got about five and a half months to go. I imagine most of your time
00:25:21.340
is going to be in Quebec pretty soon. Of course. What is your platform into Quebecers, which you
00:25:25.740
were reaching out to them with? Well, we're a small C conservative party. So obviously we want,
00:25:30.380
you know, to stop the deficits. We had the highest deficit in our history last year.
00:25:35.100
The agencies even lowered our ratings last year.
00:25:42.100
We also want to make sure we downsize the bureaucracy.
00:25:47.100
The bureaucracy has been booming over the last few years.
00:25:51.100
Something that could be a little bit more controversial in English Canada,
00:25:56.100
We also want to give greater access to healthcare by adding the contribution of the private sector.
00:26:04.100
We do believe that it's time to have an open debate about private health care in Canada and in Quebec and talk about the Canadian Health Act.
00:26:13.340
We think it's important to, you know, the current model is not sustainable neither.
00:26:19.820
I mean, we're putting more and more money every year and the results are not there and the winning lists keep going higher and higher.
00:26:26.480
Other than that, we also want to exploit our natural gas, as I said earlier on.
00:26:32.280
we need to create wealth stop depending on alberta's transfer payments money um so it's
00:26:38.760
the kind of policies and and of course and that's why we came up with the book uh lately and of
00:26:43.800
course increase quebec's power within the canadian constitution uh the confederation and and for us
00:26:51.880
that's uh that's that center because the other parties the liberals you know they're the liberals
00:26:57.640
provincial or federal. They love centralization. They love abusing provincial powers. The
00:27:04.520
separatists, they just want to break up the country. They don't want to do a good deal,
00:27:07.640
a better deal for Quebecers. And we're positioning ourselves in between.
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Great. So, I mean, those cooperative efforts, if it was a minority government,
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and perhaps you're in the balance of power, you know, I know you're campaigning to win.
00:27:21.640
I imagine that'd be the sort of thing, could we have some sort of summit with premiers,
00:27:24.920
There's things to put that pressure on from multiple provinces rather because we come in as 10 individuals rather than five or six together.
00:27:33.660
And that's why I'm meeting Premier Smith this afternoon just to talk about that.
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It's very, very important that we understand that we're stronger when we're together.
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And conservatives in Canada, we all work in each of our provinces or at the federal level.
00:27:53.140
And in Quebec, we've been absent. We've been out of the National Assembly for close to nine decades.
00:27:58.780
So, and in BC, it was not as long, but almost. Now they're back in force, but they were out of it.
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So, I think the conservative movement in Canada, especially at the provincial level, is gaining momentum.
00:28:09.860
And we need to build on that and to put even more pressure on Ottawa.
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Are you seeing one of the trends that we're seeing with conservative support, actually, in BC and some others,
00:28:17.860
is more of a younger demographic leaning there now than traditionally, mostly because of housing
00:28:23.140
costs, education. They're realizing they're not seeing a good future for themselves right now
00:28:28.180
under these current governments. You're absolutely right. Even in Quebec,
00:28:30.740
it's the same thing. We're at 3% among seniors. We're at 15% in general population, over 25%
00:28:38.980
for the 25, 35, 40. It's a generational shift and it could be explained also by the media.
00:28:47.220
the traditional media. And I don't want to attack the Western standard. It's quite the opposite.
00:28:51.700
But like for us in Quebec, I'm going to give you a real example. We have 1% to 2% of the coverage
00:28:58.900
in the traditional media. We're at 15%, 16% in the polls. Quebec City, the radical left,
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they're on the left of the NDP, the provincial level in Quebec. They're getting, for example,
00:29:08.820
on CBC, 17% of the coverage. They're at 8% in the polls. So it gives you an idea that the older
00:29:16.260
people they watch more and they'll you know they're more into the mainstream media uh and so
00:29:20.980
they they don't know us or what they know of us is very negative while the youth they're on social
00:29:25.620
media they see all the things we're doing directly uh and we're much more popular among those crowds
00:29:31.460
and also because we're talking about their issues we're talking about housing the fact that they
00:29:34.820
can't afford a house anymore the fact that they can't even pay their grocery uh these days the
00:29:39.700
fact that the education system has huge problems so we're talking their language and the message
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resonates. I'm old enough to recall that it used to be the opposite.
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Yeah, it's a total flip. It's a total flip. It's been interesting to watch across the country.
00:29:54.500
Well, the time went quickly, but before I let you go then, I mean, one more time,
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where can people find a copy of your book and information about your party and such to
00:30:02.260
watch or participate or support if they're interested?
00:30:04.420
They could go on Amazon, actually. It's on sale everywhere. Destination Autonomy or Destination
00:30:10.660
autonomy if you're looking for the french version and uh what's coming up for the party well the
00:30:15.860
it's the election in october so we're already on a campaign move we're announcing candidates we're
00:30:20.260
presenting our platform so it's going to be a very interesting year and quebec politics is
00:30:25.700
something different there's five parties that are going to be competitive so it's very unusual
00:30:29.700
they our system normally it's two maybe three but not much more uh us it's five so uh i think it's
00:30:36.500
It's going to be a very, very interesting thing.
00:30:44.260
because I think that the Conservatives getting back in Quebec City
00:30:47.880
with a strong, you know, caucus could change things
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I know you're taking this seriously when you're taking time away
00:30:59.080
from Quebec during the Montreal playoff run that's going.
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So I wish you the best and I hope we get to talk again soon.
00:31:06.500
Well, there you have it, folks. Conservatives do exist in the province of Quebec and do have, you know, some degree of support. And Mr. DeHemp, I think, speaks with good common sense and things. And, you know, I'll have those interviews. I mean, I would like to see, say, for example, an independent Alberta, an independent Quebec, kind of as Roadsend, one of the commenters just said, you know, Canada's too large to govern and we need independence in all the provinces. I fully agree with that.
00:31:36.980
Get somebody like Mr. DeHemmin and start developing your natural gas.
00:31:41.860
Either way, his book's worth checking out, and it was a good conversation.
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But we should get back, I guess, a bit to the hot discussion, you know,
00:31:50.160
which has been going on this week and what's going on with the independence movement,
00:31:53.740
Look, what we're seeing is how strong the opposition is going to be against us.
00:31:59.660
we kind of always knew it was going to be. What my issue is, don't give them bullets though. Don't
00:32:06.260
make it easier for them than it has to be. And that's kind of what happened here. And it's going
00:32:13.280
to be hard to prevent all of that. Because again, there's that difficulty with it being
00:32:17.520
a decentralized movement. But at the same time, you know, you've got other individuals who are
00:32:24.800
considered to be speaking for it. So Van Fashens, you know, puts a good point saying, anybody
00:32:27.920
proposing it needs to be a party or have a single leader likely work with an inchie i i don't know
00:32:32.240
about that but i mean it it's it's probably just not the way to go with this but way too late
00:32:37.000
anyways if they wanted to find a singular person to speak for the whole movement that would have
00:32:41.360
been done prior to all of this i mean there's five and some months left that's the point i keep
00:32:46.320
making to people the campaign is on now we don't have time i talked about that uh on a video i put
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up on my own channel a little while ago too because there's some people pushing saying that
00:32:56.020
we got to get involved with the UCP. Okay. Not necessarily a bad thing,
00:32:59.120
but then to push the UCP into having a special general meeting in August on
00:33:02.740
independence, like guys, you only got so much energy and so much campaign time.
00:33:07.760
You don't have time to do that sort of activity.
00:33:10.540
We're going to get the referendum. That's a given.
00:33:12.740
It's just whether or not we're going to win it. That's a big,
00:33:21.020
we can't get one voice is going to speak for the whole movement.
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And it would just be too difficult to establish that.
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because of a, you know, a dislike, though I've got some, it's a long history with those two.
00:33:59.700
Those don't speak for it. And other people who are getting larger profile things, but say
00:34:03.620
controversial or crazy stuff, and they are some crazy stuff out there. It should at least be
00:34:08.880
pushed back on. Who? I don't know. Michael saying, what, you think one voice doesn't matter? No,
00:34:14.740
every voice matters. Every voice matters. And that's, that's the interesting thing with social
00:34:19.900
media. This is all uncharted waters. This is new. This is not like 30 years ago where only those
00:34:25.680
who would get into legacy media would speak to a large amount of people. Now anybody with a phone
00:34:30.300
can get out there on a social media platform and put a message out that might go to four people
00:34:36.200
or might go to a hundred thousand people. And that comes again with good and bad is true grassroots,
00:34:42.060
but it also leads to, you know, a lot of disinformation getting around or people who
00:34:57.220
Carney says he has plans to meet with the Alberta Premier when she's in Ottawa.
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The Premier will meet with the Prime Minister if that happens.
00:35:13.060
But people talk about, you know, where Smith's going with things.
00:35:15.960
I don't mind when she goes up and fails with the Kearney government, because it just keeps, that helps build the independence movement.
00:35:28.460
It shows the waste of time of playing within the system.
00:35:32.260
But Premier Smith's role right now is to try, but we know it's going to fail.
00:35:39.440
The Western Standard reported on that recently.
00:35:41.540
the big project office that was supposed to fast track all these major projects. It's been almost
00:35:49.960
a year and it hasn't approved one. Do they even understand their own stinking mandate? You don't
00:35:57.580
navel gaze for a year as a group that's tasked with fast tracking things. All it is is kicking
00:36:04.880
the can down the road and uh it's it's harming us well it's not harming us actually it's helping
00:36:12.980
the independence movement but things that aren't helping the independence movement are just having
00:36:17.560
people blasting off from all over the place the vote is going to be based for a lot of people
00:36:23.060
much more on trust rather than the nuts and the bolts and the economics and the stats
00:36:32.780
this is a gut feeling vote for a lot of people and that is a lot of that mushy middle look at it
00:36:39.200
as three big circles you know you see those things with that overlap in the middle
00:36:42.640
you got the far end that's definitely never going to vote for independence you got this
00:36:47.000
end that's definitely going to vote for it but the huge part in the middle because that's where
00:36:50.780
that line is going to matter those need to be won and a lot of them are going to vote based on how
00:36:57.780
they feel about one side or another. And if the independent side appears not to be trustworthy,
00:37:07.360
not to be principled, people will vote the other way. And that will lose the referendum.
00:37:15.640
How do we stop it? I don't know. Somebody else pointed out that CBC was reporting as if
00:37:19.500
Parker was the leader of the independence movement. Of course, those of us within it
00:37:25.340
But Legacy Media and our opponents are going to lump everything together.
00:37:33.280
But we can mitigate and reduce it as much as humanly possible.
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As I said at the start of my monologue, history was made.
00:37:50.180
I did go out to see those people on the highway working their butts off in city areas, getting people, giving them the finger, all of that on their own time as volunteers, following the rules, only to have opponents now questioning the legitimacy of their work, their petitioning because of what Parker's group and the Centurion Clowns did.
00:38:15.160
they undercut so much trust and yes it's being unfair to lump that on that I've seen no evidence
00:38:23.400
and I don't believe for a second that Parker's access to the list had anything to do with the
00:38:29.880
petition signatures going in that's a clean petition all the volunteers the others it's fine
00:38:35.040
and you know to be verified uh some people wondering about that you know how does that
00:38:39.420
work with elections Alberta and so on with other petitions whether it was your petitioning to run
00:38:44.280
for office or petitioning for a referendum or things like that. They will bring in, they don't
00:38:50.520
check every single one of them. First thing though, they will check a whole pile of them against the
00:38:54.940
electors list. That's just their way to make sure these people exist. You can't just make up an
00:38:58.640
address. You need to kind of cross-reference. And they won't do it with all of them, but they'll do
00:39:01.980
it with a lot. On top of that, they will actually phone a bunch of them. They'll follow up. They'll
00:39:10.120
say, pardon me, sir, this is Elections Alberta. We're just calling. We'd like to just confirm
00:39:14.560
that you did sign a petition. And if say they checked on 10,000 signatures, let's just say,
00:39:23.280
I'm just throwing a number out there. And they found that 90% of the signatures were validated,
00:39:29.340
they were good, everything else. They will reduce 10% from the petitioning number and put the
00:39:35.960
petition in as it is. See, that's what happened with Lukasik's 400 and some thousand. If people
00:39:44.080
remember when he put it in, it was 440,000 or something like that. Elections Alberta, when
00:39:48.120
they did follow up on that, found about a 13% error rate. And those errors could be all sorts
00:39:51.800
of things. It doesn't mean corruption or bad things, but it does mean that, you know, maybe
00:39:56.100
there were names that couldn't be read or addresses that were wrong or people, again, that just
00:40:01.840
weren't on the list. So they kind of did that. And then they sucked about 40,000 signatures off
00:40:05.860
of their total. That's how Elections Alberta works with those things. And that's what'll happen
00:40:11.720
with this one. But with 301,000 signatures, and I've seen how meticulous and careful people were
00:40:17.220
with getting them, I'd be surprised if more than 5% even, it turns out to be the number they take
00:40:22.380
off at. There's no way it's going to be knocked down below 178,000. The only thing that could be
00:40:27.780
add, you know, overall with this and problematic is if they found one of the salted names
00:40:35.460
in a petition. And I'll explain that a bit because not everybody necessarily understands
00:40:40.620
how these electoral lists work. Okay. And I don't see why they'd find one of those salted names.
00:40:44.440
Again, the State Free Alberta has been on the up and up all the way through. So it shouldn't be a
00:40:48.840
problem. When Elections Alberta gives out the information to political parties, they give out
00:40:57.360
the voter list to every political party. They salt the list. They will have some fake names in there.
00:41:03.120
They'll have some other identifiers in there that are unique only to that list. And if that name
00:41:09.960
pops up anywhere else, you know where the list came from. So what has happened, and I will say
00:41:16.620
that not allegedly, what has happened is that salted names appeared in the database that the
00:41:25.080
Centurion project put out for, and again, for people to publicly access that information.
00:41:30.680
That's another level of the problem with this. They found those unique salted names. The only
00:41:36.740
possible way those names could show up in the Centurion database is that it had an electors
00:41:42.440
list in it. That's confirmed. Now, Mr. Parker, I guess, can make his defense as to how that ended up
00:41:48.100
in his database. We'll see, I guess, what happens with that. But it was in there. That's why the
00:41:53.720
injunction was served so quickly because they could show the evidence for the elections of
00:41:58.040
Alberta say, look, we logged into this site. We typed in a few of these names and bang, we got
00:42:02.460
hits. The other thing it proves is where it came from. So they know there's no denying that this
00:42:10.400
list came from the Republican party of Alberta. Cam Davies has some questions to answer. Was it
00:42:16.680
stolen from them? Did they sell it? Was it hacked? Was it given away? I don't know, but it did come
00:42:25.060
from there. That's confirmed too. And it's problematic. It really is. What I think it's
00:42:31.780
going to lead to, I think the government's going to change the legislation. This happened in Calgary
00:42:35.880
with the municipal elections as well. They used to give the electors lists to all the candidates
00:42:38.880
until some crackpot candidates started making bad use of the list. There was a guy who was talking
00:42:44.340
about sharing information about people who worked in health services from the list and giving their
00:42:49.380
addresses out in public. So then because of that nut, they just took away those lists from
00:42:54.000
politicians altogether. I won't be surprised if these lists get pulled out of the political
00:42:58.260
realm provincially altogether too eventually. Just nobody will have it anymore. Whatever.
00:43:03.640
But for the immediate term, those lists were leaked wrongly.
00:43:12.280
And I just can't say it enough, guys, to try and compare it to a phone book is dismissive.
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00:43:21.120
And for others, they say, well, you can just find that information anywhere.
00:43:24.780
There's some public people who keep their locations very discreet.
00:43:28.260
They try very hard because they do have nutcases out there coming after.
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00:43:33.480
them. Now, I conclude myself in that. You should see some of the emails I get. I don't want people
00:43:37.680
easily finding my house. And I understand they have other ways they can find it and whatever.
00:43:42.740
There's ways to get people's addresses. But when you're entrusted with a list like that, it doesn't
00:43:47.080
matter if that information is available somewhere else. You were responsible for that bloody list.
00:43:52.280
So how are we supposed to trust a movement when there's a whole bunch of people who say, well,
00:43:55.820
I don't care if somebody's personal information got leaked out and they may come to harm from it.
00:44:00.120
An analogy I used on X not long ago, would you guys be okay if, again, so let's say Mitch Sylvester became the president of an independent republic of Alberta, and then people shared what his address was?
00:44:12.920
It's the same thing, and it's wrong, because there will be crazy people going after Mitch.
00:44:19.320
When you see these violations happen, don't try to dismiss them. Try to look at how it might apply to you and your side.
00:44:25.760
That's what it comes to when people are talking about allowing the government to violate free speech or things like that.
00:44:31.800
When it's an authoritarian sort of law, even if it's your side, always imagine a government that's not on your side having that power.
00:44:55.760
We can get it back, got five months to do it, but for starters, you got to clear out
00:45:01.960
the problems and you got to show that you won't accept any of that. And you will condemn that
00:45:08.060
and you will distance yourself from that. Show that you're better. You know, there's a lot of
00:45:12.140
whataboutism too. Oh, the NDP did this, the NDP did that. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. By
00:45:16.180
the way, they're legally allowed to send you texts. I know it's annoying, but they are allowed
00:45:19.020
to. That's within the ability of the list. Whataboutism and saying the other guy did it too,
00:45:24.160
two wrongs make it right defense doesn't work it just makes you look untrustworthy all right guys
00:45:28.960
that's it for today thank you very much for tuning in hopefully it'll be more positive next
00:45:32.600
week we'll see i am optimistic about the whole thing i honestly am tune into the pipeline tonight
00:45:37.340
we're going to talk a bit more about that on a panel with a bunch of us and make sure like
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00:45:46.460
thanks a lot and we will see you on the next one