Western Standard - Cory Morgan Show： The Trudeau Free Fall, O'Toole's Flip Flops, Michelle Stirling Friends of Science

00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to The Cory Morgan Show, second one of this ongoing general election, which began

00:00:13.720 as election about nothing and now seems to be turning into quite the race. We've got some great

00:00:19.880 developments or bad developments, depending on what side of the spectrum you sit on. Things

00:00:23.880 have been changing. The locked victory for the Liberals clearly isn't nearly as locked as they'd

00:00:29.900 hoped it would be when they dropped the rip there. I'll be speaking to guests a little later on,

00:00:35.540 Michelle Sterling from the Friends of Science. We'll talk a little bit about climate change,

00:00:40.360 electric vehicles, the great transition, all of those trendy things. It hasn't really been coming

00:00:44.820 up a lot in this election yet, though. I mean, those are a lot of Trudeau's core issues and

00:00:49.620 principles. So I suspect they're going to be coming up a little later on. So we get some of that

00:00:53.060 groundwork done and then talk about what's happening with those sorts of things. Speaking for ourselves

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00:02:17.400 right now. And when BS from the mainstream media, unfortunately tends to dominate and we end up

00:02:21.940 voting in and reelecting bad politicians. So starting with that, let's talk about bad politicians.

00:02:28.400 They always give us lots to work with. So as I said, we've seen a dramatic shift in the polls.

00:02:33.380 The liberals looked like they were coming into this with a comfortable lead. Somehow in the first week

00:02:37.900 of the campaign, everything's already fallen apart for the liberals. It's gone to hell. You can see the

00:02:42.040 tension in them. I mean, Justin there was, was stammering more than usual and getting quite grumpy

00:02:46.840 when the lines of questioning were coming at the conferences. You gotta remember, Justin's an actor.

00:02:52.740 If he's got a script, he can pull it off. He can talk about things. He has to have though a solid

00:02:58.240 script. Somebody brighter than him has to be able to write it for him. If he can't read it, if he can't

00:03:03.060 memorize it and spit it back out, he's in trouble. When he has to think on his feet, well, I mean, his

00:03:08.600 shoes are usually on the wrong feet. So you understand where that goes. And he's been stuck at these

00:03:12.680 conferences. There's been killers going after him. Uh, he's been getting nervous. He's been

00:03:16.840 getting agitated. Uh, the media asked him a little while back, you know, if he regretted calling the

00:03:21.200 election, uh, just before the, the, the Afghan pullout and disaster that's happening over in

00:03:26.900 Afghanistan happened. And he didn't even answer the question. He treated it like question period.

00:03:31.200 Again, he seemed kind of grouchy and he just went on rambling about other things and then attacked

00:03:35.820 Aaron O'Toole. That's fine, but you better come up with an answer for it. Um, to be honest, I mean,

00:03:41.940 I thought that would have been a relatively easy one. That's one of the few things I almost don't

00:03:45.500 blame him for, at least with the timing and you don't see those things necessarily coming. You

00:03:48.920 know, when you call an election, you can't be held responsible for the issues that broke during it.

00:03:52.240 That's just the chances you take when you called it. But again, prime minister Trudeau, he can't

00:03:57.040 think up answers on his own. So obviously that wasn't in his morning briefing. They didn't give him

00:04:00.860 a canned stock answer to do. So he got flustered and looked all the more foolish. Then you see 1.00

00:04:06.500 deputy prime minister, Christia Freeland, one of the ones he's usually considered one of the

00:04:10.000 brighter ones in Justin's cabinet. I mean, Seamus O'Regan should certainly wasn't or Catherine

00:04:14.120 McKenna, but you did have Freeland who seemed to be reasonably competent, puts out a grossly doctored

00:04:20.440 video of Aaron O'Toole talking about, uh, possibilities for private public mixed provision of

00:04:26.720 healthcare. I mean, it was blatant, blatant to the point that Twitter actually flagged it

00:04:32.000 as misleading media. And rather than, you know, back off rather than admit a mistake, rather than

00:04:39.920 just delete the thing and let this go, they doubled down. Trudeau retweets it. Trudeau goes

00:04:44.380 on about it with this, this BS doctored video saying it's proof that Aaron O'Toole wants to

00:04:50.300 privatize healthcare. Trudeau, you've just been caught essentially, or at least that the video

00:04:54.820 was a lie the way it's been doctored. And instead of just backing out of the bloody thing, you double

00:04:59.940 down on the lie. People could see the proof. Otherwise the whole two minute video was there.

00:05:03.500 They could see what you guys did to him. You look like an idiot. Well, that's nothing new, 1.00

00:05:08.840 but you're looking more like one and certainly easy to prove. So carry on. It was it Napoleon who

00:05:14.220 said, you know, I'm not sure now, or maybe it was Machiavelli or something from the art of war,

00:05:18.580 but something like when the enemy is busy destroying themselves, don't get in their way.

00:05:21.680 Just let the give them rope, carry on. And that would be a wise strategy on the parts of the 0.99

00:05:26.160 conservatives right now who have to be pretty happy. I mean, they were coming into this

00:05:29.420 pretty dejected thinking they might be running into just at best, you know, maintaining a minority 0.95

00:05:34.780 liberal government. They might actually be looking at forming a government, if only a minority one

00:05:39.900 soon, a conservative one. But how are they getting there? And that's where I'm starting to get

00:05:43.980 concerned. I mean, what remnants of conservative policy are there left? Some of the stuff coming

00:05:49.200 out of O'Toole has been shocking. One that really got me was when he's talking about mandating

00:05:54.880 labor presence on the boards of private corporations, mandating employees have to be

00:06:02.260 sitting on the board of directors of a private corporation. Who the hell do you think you are? 0.96

00:06:07.620 That's a private corporation. And I know you were talking about federally regulated ones, 0.96

00:06:10.720 but it doesn't matter. You know, it's bad enough to try and outspend each other like mad,

00:06:14.700 which you guys are doing. But this is a case of you going into the boardrooms of private

00:06:19.700 corporations and telling them how to run their business. That is not a conservative policy.

00:06:25.620 Even Jagmeet Singh didn't call for that. Of course, he'd want to make them all crown

00:06:29.520 corporations. I guess you just want to do it by increments, Mr. O'Toole. This is not cool. This is

00:06:35.020 not a good way to go. This is how you shake investment away from our country. That's already,

00:06:39.720 when we're looking at Alberta, an investment pariah because we have a hostile federal government.

00:06:43.240 And you want to insert the federal government into the boardrooms of private

00:06:47.380 corporations through regulation and force them to have a labor component on their board. I mean,

00:06:52.580 some people are saying, Oh, it's a great idea. You should have it. You should get that. Well,

00:06:54.940 then let them decide it. It's their corporation. Let the shareholders decide it. If labor really wants

00:06:59.820 to control corporations, it's pretty easy. Buy shares, form your own. Why have your cooperatives

00:07:06.080 not taken everything over? I mean, boy, labor, you guys know how to run everything better than CEOs.

00:07:11.040 Why have you never managed to do it though? Either way, that's the roto tools been going down

00:07:15.920 and it's disturbing. He's talking about massive money to build housing for people. Is that even

00:07:21.360 a federal jurisdiction thing? I mean, we do have some problems with housing. We could do some policy

00:07:25.100 tweaks. We can examine foreign ownership, but how many dollars do we want to put in

00:07:29.180 to build or buy houses for other people? The rest of us had to work our asses off for a down payment.

00:07:34.540 That's the way it works. That's reduces the defaults on loans, but you want to bypass that again.

00:07:40.500 You're just throwing out the shallow promises and promises and promises that we can't afford right now.

00:07:44.180 Again, I understand you can't come off as a hard, cold conservative in this time of crisis

00:07:50.260 on every level, but you've got to at least retain a little bit of difference from the liberals,

00:07:55.020 at least stay a little to the right of them. And I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of that.

00:07:59.200 Another area was the CBC. You backed off on that fast enough, O'Toole.

00:08:03.640 You were in your leadership, if I recall, promising to actually defund the CBC. You backtracked on that.

00:08:11.220 No, now you're going to strike a committee on it. That's another double speak way of saying you're

00:08:14.620 not going to do a damn thing about it. So you got scared of the state broadcaster. 0.89

00:08:17.520 And you know what, O'Toole? They're still not going to like you. They're still not going to be

00:08:21.240 nice to you. They're the CBC. I mean, you're just trying to appease a bloated government tagger

00:08:29.200 that's still going to eat you. So don't. You should have stuck to your original promise.

00:08:34.000 You're not going to gain good press out of this. At least, you know, he did speak about getting rid

00:08:38.180 of the subsidies that are going to the other press in the private market. That's a good move in the

00:08:42.340 right direction. But I mean, again, strategically, okay, so you've appeased the CBC who still hates

00:08:47.020 you. And now you're ticking off the rest of the media who never wear all that warranty with you

00:08:51.880 to begin with, but are probably going to be worse. Either way, it is only about a quarter of the way

00:08:57.380 through the federal election campaign. If we can see it swing this much in the first quarter,

00:09:01.700 it could swing dramatically in any number of ways in the next three quarters coming up.

00:09:05.860 But I mean, momentum is everything. And Trudeau has already lost a quarter of this thing.

00:09:10.160 It's hard to come back. It's interesting to watch this. You know, three weeks ago,

00:09:13.960 none of us would have imagined that O'Toole looked like he might be poised to become the

00:09:17.080 next prime minister. This might happen. We'll see. Time will tell. Now, I'm going to get to my

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00:11:43.860 the Friends of Science. You've probably seen her on social media. She's been managing that group for quite

00:11:48.540 some time. They put out a lot of good papers, studies that are at least contrary to the

00:11:54.200 talking points, the general lines on things like climate change and carbon taxes and things such

00:12:01.080 as that. We haven't been hearing a lot in the election about the climate change yet, but we

00:12:05.160 know we're going to. So I had a really good chat with Michelle about that and tune in and see what

00:12:11.360 she has to say. Okay. Well, thanks for joining me today, Michelle. It's good to see you again.

00:12:16.600 And it's always easy to find lots to talk about. Of course, while you specialize in a few things with

00:12:23.520 Friends of Science and something that leading up to the election has been a really big issue is

00:12:27.920 climate change, environment, things like that. I would have thought that the Liberals would have

00:12:32.200 come right out of the gates and dove into that issue. We've been hearing a little bit, but it hasn't

00:12:36.680 been top of mind yet. Why do you think they're putting it off? Well, it may be because the most

00:12:42.120 recent IPCC report that the media reported as code red and catastrophe, which was coming from

00:12:49.560 Guterres press release and not from the report itself. But the new report, according to Roger

00:12:55.040 PLK Jr. is very optimistic because they've abandoned what's known as RCP 8.5, which was the most catastrophic

00:13:03.840 scenario, and said that that's least likely now. So actually, the climate emergency is over,

00:13:10.880 and we do have time. So, you know, it's going to be hard for the Liberals to square that with all of

00:13:17.760 their climate catastrophe thinking. And also, I should mention just before the election was called,

00:13:25.040 we had sent an open letter to a number of people on Jonathan Wilkinson's call for an adult debate on

00:13:31.520 environment and climate. And we think that that would be an excellent idea. So we have,

00:13:36.960 he inadvertently made that statement, probably inadvertently when he was critiquing the conservative

00:13:44.800 party's climate plan. But in fact, let's have that open debate.

00:13:50.960 Well, it is refreshing to say that we even admit it's a bit debatable, perhaps. I mean,

00:13:56.560 they've always tried to say it's case closed. The science settled. We can't even talk about it.

00:13:59.920 We just got to move on with measures. Right. And some of those measures,

00:14:04.400 people should know that there's a group called the Climate Emergency Unit, which is part of the

00:14:08.880 David Suzuki Foundation or Institute. And they're, my friend calls them the climate Taliban. But they're

00:14:16.400 now demanding that, that since there's an alleged climate emergency, that in World War Two, the Canadian

00:14:25.280 government created 28 crown corporations. And within two years, Canada increased aircraft manufacturing

00:14:31.600 25 fold. So they think the same thing should be applied to the Green New Deal and the supposed just

00:14:40.720 transition. Well, in fact, there's just no transition going on. Canada has maybe 3.5% of the energy

00:14:48.400 generated from wind and solar. And the rest is from fossil fuels, hydro and nuclear. So, you know,

00:14:55.360 we shouldn't take these people's advice, because they haven't done any due diligence, no cost benefit analysis,

00:15:01.200 it's purely ideological. And, and in fact, the irony of this is that, indeed, during World War Two, the government did create a number of crown corporations. But immediately after,

00:15:14.000 he said, I'm sure CD, how did everything he could to re privatize that and turn it back to free market. So, you know, it's actually for them, it's a bad example to use.

00:15:24.880 Yeah. No, we don't need any more bloated crown corporations. They've rarely done us any favors. 0.70

00:15:29.600 And that seems to be the trend of the day, though. I mean, governments can get away with a whole heck of a lot,

00:15:34.240 as long as they can convince everybody it's an emergency, it's pressing, and they can bypass normal democratic means

00:15:40.160 of change because it's just so critical that they have to do something right now.

00:15:43.600 And we're certainly seeing that with the pandemic as well.

00:15:45.600 Right. And you can see also that the climate activists are also the COVID activists. I mean,

00:15:51.200 look at Dr. Joe Vipond, who's out there running around with his little climate button on

00:15:55.680 and claiming we should all be locked down forever. You know, if you look deeper into this, you'll

00:16:00.720 find that the Deutsche Bank out of Germany, if you can believe this, is calling for an eco

00:16:05.440 dictatorship to force people to not use energy. And basically, that'll kill a lot of people,

00:16:13.280 especially in Canada, you know, they're, they're pushing for no natural gas use in Canada. So,

00:16:20.400 and electrifying everything that would cost trillions of dollars that we don't have,

00:16:25.280 it would take decades, not 10 or 15 years as they propose. And in the process, many people would die.

00:16:32.720 Yeah. Well, let's assume that perhaps that's the way to go. And we will actually get to a point

00:16:39.120 where the whole world's on electricity, but realistically we're looking at 40, 50, 60 years

00:16:44.400 before we could get to that point. But these crazy transition plans and things are saying,

00:16:48.480 we should shut in our conventional energy right now and retrain people to blow in windmills or 0.74

00:16:54.320 whatever they're supposed to do for their new jobs. They're really putting the cart before the horse.

00:16:58.880 I mean, we've seen the consequences of that south of the border where Biden worked so hard and so

00:17:04.160 fast to shut down domestic energy supplies. And now he's cap in hand, groveling to OPEC to try and get

00:17:10.080 them to increase production.

00:17:11.280 Yes. Well, you know, people have to realize that electricity is not a form of energy. It's created

00:17:19.680 from energy like coal, natural gas, and oil. And of course the greens don't like nuclear. And so,

00:17:26.320 you know, we either will be reliant on imports from other countries and pretend that we don't have

00:17:32.400 emissions here, like the Biden administration appears to be doing, or, you know, we'll get

00:17:37.840 some common sense and stop with these nonsensical climate emergency net zero plans.

00:17:45.760 Yeah. I mean, they're all over the map. It just, they want to shut down all petrochemical forms of

00:17:52.160 generation. And yes, they're absolutely opposed to nuclear, but even with hydroelectric, they're

00:17:57.040 fighting site C for all they're worth in BC. I mean, if we went to this electric world that they want

00:18:03.600 to see, we'd have to be digging and building hydroelectric plants in a massive scale with an

00:18:09.840 incredible footprint and a lot of energy burned in creating these new dams.

00:18:14.720 Right. Well, you know, it would take another 10,000 additional megawatts of power generation for

00:18:20.560 Canada, just for electric vehicle policy. And each of those, that would be like 10,

00:18:26.880 eight or 10 site C dams or Muskrat Falls. And each of those take 10 to 20 or 20 to 30 years horizon to

00:18:35.040 build them, not to mention it's billions of dollars to build them. And you have to build the infrastructure

00:18:42.080 to go with them all the big high voltage transmission lines. That's very, very expensive.

00:18:48.640 And it often takes decades to do the land expropriation for that to negotiate the deal. So,

00:18:55.520 you know, they're completely out to lunch and no realistic assessment whatsoever and no cost benefit

00:19:02.800 analysis. So people should be called out on that. These are very dangerous plans. It's very likely that we

00:19:09.840 could be get, you know, we could get stuck halfway out of money and in the dark.

00:19:17.200 Well, and those upgrades, again, are going to take a lot of time and a lot of money all the way down to

00:19:20.720 the household level. I mean, your average household doesn't have the means or ability to plug in an

00:19:25.760 electric vehicle at this time.

00:19:27.200 That's right. Yeah. And all the regional distribution lines within the cities would also have to be upgraded

00:19:33.040 and think of the thousands of cars that park on the street. You're not going to be running a big power

00:19:38.400 line to plug in your EV on the street. So that means people will have to be lined up at certain

00:19:43.120 chargers. And actually, you know, the media is doing a disservice to the public because they're

00:19:48.320 cheerleading all of these things. We've got some really great reports done by professional engineers

00:19:53.440 here in Alberta on our blog. One is called the true cost of wind and solar to Alberta. The cost for

00:19:59.760 battery storage for Alberta for one day would be somewhere in the vicinity of $2 trillion. You know,

00:20:05.760 so people really have to learn about this stuff. We've got another one about the Karmengay solar farm

00:20:12.480 where every Albertan is subsidizing every citizen of Karmengay for $921 a year so they can pretend to

00:20:20.000 be carbon neutral. And we've got another one on CTV's misleading math on EVs coming to Alberta. So,

00:20:28.560 you know, I think if people can look at some of these reports, oh, and we've got one more called

00:20:36.000 what you need to know about renewables that Pembina Institute won't tell you. So I hope that people

00:20:42.400 will have a look at that because it gives you a real good idea of what we're facing.

00:20:47.280 Yeah. Well, and aside from people wanting to feel cleaner and greener and all that, they really have to

00:20:52.560 look at what this is going to cost and where it's going to hit them in the pocketbook. And I think a lot of

00:20:56.400 proponents of electric vehicles really have a mental deficit when it comes to thinking of supply and

00:21:01.520 demand. I've heard people talk about, look how cheap it would be to charge a car. Look how fantastic it

00:21:05.360 would be. Guys, if we suddenly have millions of electric cars in Canada, the prices for electricity

00:21:12.160 are going to go through the roof. Even if you don't drive, lighting your household now, powering your

00:21:16.720 house, you won't have natural gas heat anymore. So it's going to be electric heat. Your cost of living is

00:21:20.800 going to go through the roof. That's right. And none of these things can be done in short order.

00:21:25.920 And also, well, we have a series of three reports on EVs by Robert Lyman, which begins with false

00:21:33.200 expectations. And people probably don't realize it, but when you buy a conventional car, you're actually

00:21:39.920 financing EVs because, um, for instance, uh, with Tesla, uh, Tesla made the most money from, uh, renewable

00:21:49.360 energy certificate purchases by other car manufacturers. So that's being tacked on your conventional vehicle.

00:21:58.400 Well, and the pressure is coming from all directions and we're seeing it a lot from the corporate world

00:22:02.320 now too, though. They're turning around and virtue signaling, uh, you know, shells going into renewables

00:22:08.320 and the auto plants are saying they're going to retool and do nothing but electric. Uh, this is going

00:22:14.080 to cost them terribly in the long run, I would think. Well, unfortunately it, it seems to be that

00:22:19.680 they're institutional investors in these companies. They're all signed up with the UN PRI, the United

00:22:26.480 Nations principle for responsible investment, whose fiduciary guru is Al Gore. And of course they all follow

00:22:33.840 what Mark Carney says, you know, these institutional investors are making the biggest mistake of their

00:22:39.360 life. If they're divesting of fossil fuels and going into green. And in fact, in 2013, Joseph dear,

00:22:46.240 who was the CIO of, um, CalPERS said that cleantech is an L for lose investment and we're not here to lose

00:22:54.400 money. So they're being, these corporations are being cornered into it by their institutional investors.

00:23:01.120 Sometimes they make a profit because it's subsidized, but where's that subsidy coming from? It's coming

00:23:05.680 from you, you know, and there's an end point where taxpayers can never continue to support these

00:23:12.640 charitable NGOs that are pushing for these policies and these green crony capitalists. We're, we're out of 0.94

00:23:18.880 money. We're broke. Yeah. Well, we just seem to have, you know, when I think of the last big

00:23:24.880 transportation, um, change we made transition, it was say from the horse and wagon to the, the, the

00:23:32.000 personal automobile and vehicle, but they didn't bring that about by punishing horse and wagon drivers

00:23:39.200 in order to subsidize the niche market of automobiles. I mean, it took time. They were luxuries.

00:23:44.640 They were a novelty for a while until finally Ford came around and made them cost effective for the

00:23:49.920 average individual people bought in and eventually the horse and wagon went away, but we just can't seem

00:23:55.600 to let the free market deal with electric vehicles and let them evolve on their own as, as the past

00:23:59.920 transition did. Right. And ironically that you mentioned horse and wagon, there's a professor out in BC who is

00:24:07.520 proposing that we should have a smaller footprint. And therefore today we should be breeding, uh, Friesian

00:24:13.440 and other, you know, big draft horses so that we can go back to working the fields with a horse and, um,

00:24:20.560 you know, a few hardy men like this is a professor at a university. Okay. I mean,

00:24:26.800 yeah, that's magnificent. If we want mass starvation, I mean, uh, sure 150 years ago, that's how the world

00:24:34.160 was fed, but the population was a tiny fraction of what it is today. And, and starvation was pretty common.

00:24:39.600 Famines came and went all the time. It's frightening to think that, that people

00:24:43.360 with tenure in our, uh, quote unquote higher levels of, uh, you know, educational institutions are,

00:24:49.440 are like that, but it's not surprising anymore, I'm afraid.

00:24:52.800 Yeah, no, it's quite shocking. And, you know, again, uh, many of these policies, like, uh, people

00:24:58.640 are advocating, have one less child, eat less meat, eat more veggies. You know, one of the authors of one

00:25:05.520 of those reports is from Sweden. Well, where do you think all those veggies come from? They have to be

00:25:10.160 shipped there, you know, and this whole thing of having one less child is ludicrous because the

00:25:15.920 world population is actually facing big drop off in the next few years anyway, because all us boomers

00:25:21.520 will be going away. So, you know, it's, um, it's really, really sick. And actually some of that idea

00:25:29.760 of depopulation comes from those, um, RCP 8.5 scenarios that I mentioned before. The other scenarios in that

00:25:38.160 group have 3 billion fewer people. So, uh, in their modeling, they designed it with 3 billion fewer

00:25:45.840 people, but that might mean that some of these climate activists, the real nutty ones believe

00:25:52.160 that we should have 3 billion fewer people. And that was never the intent of those, those scenarios.

00:25:59.200 But, uh, yeah, there's a real, you know, sick kind of depopulation mentality in a lot of the climate

00:26:05.680 community. Yeah. Well, and if people want to choose not to have kids, just let them have the choice.

00:26:09.440 That's just where we got to leave things. You know what? Uh, yeah, a bit with what you're talking

00:26:13.360 about before too, like, you know, I'll have some hipster lecturing me on how I'm so selfish with my

00:26:18.480 luxuries in winter and travel while they're eating their avocado toast in Calgary, January. I mean,

00:26:23.760 I haven't seen many domestic avocado trees lately. Maybe they just don't understand where that's coming from.

00:26:29.280 Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, just to, to kind of wrap things up though, as we are in the election period,

00:26:36.400 uh, what do you think we can look forward to? I mean, are there any positives we might see coming

00:26:39.920 out of some of the parties or candidates or things we can hope to look forward to?

00:26:44.800 Boy, it's pretty hard to say because the ENGOs are so powerful. Um, you know, between 2000 and 2018,

00:26:53.040 the top 40 ENGOs in Canada had 18 times the revenues of all political parties combined. So

00:26:59.920 they're an incredibly powerful force, both in terms of money, influence, media influence. We

00:27:06.480 found that the Strathmere group, which is like 14 of the largest, um, ENGOs in Canada had been meeting

00:27:14.640 with the media and planning strategy prior to the 2015 election. This is on the Boothroyd

00:27:21.120 communications site. They're very proud of it. So, you know, these are kind of a pack

00:27:27.440 that ordinary citizens just, you know, we don't have that kind of financial or social influence.

00:27:34.000 And unfortunately they are very cause oriented. So when, when we citizens, or when our group,

00:27:40.480 Friends of Science asked for open civil debate, as you said, no debate, they shut it down, purely

00:27:46.320 ideology. And, uh, it's very difficult to reason on these things. So, you know, I, I don't know what

00:27:53.360 the future holds in the election campaign, but hopefully someone will come to their senses.

00:27:58.800 Well, it's frustrating, but hopefully people are paying attention and speak to their elected

00:28:02.800 officials or at least the candidates going ahead. Uh, and you, your site does provide a massive amount

00:28:07.360 of resources and reports. So maybe to close up, uh, where can we find more information on you and the

00:28:11.760 Friends of Science and, and where can people get more information? Well, we're at friendsofscience.org

00:28:17.920 and we're on Facebook as well. We're on Twitter, Friends O Science. And we also have a blog that's

00:28:23.520 very active. We're on LinkedIn and, um, uh, you know, we invite people to join the debate, share our

00:28:30.960 material, challenge us. That's fine. We're interested in open civil debate.

00:28:37.040 Great. Well, thank you very much for joining me today, Michelle, and keep up the good work.

00:28:41.280 Thanks, Corey. Thanks very much.

Western Standard - August 26, 2021

Cory Morgan Show： The Trudeau Free Fall, O'Toole's Flip Flops, Michelle Stirling Friends of Science

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