Western Standard - August 26, 2021


Cory Morgan Show: The Trudeau Free Fall, O'Toole's Flip Flops, Michelle Stirling Friends of Science


Episode Stats

Length

28 minutes

Words per Minute

188.34065

Word Count

5,433

Sentence Count

382

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

In this episode of The Cory Morgan Show, host Cory Morgan talks about the latest developments in the election, including the latest poll numbers, and what it means for Trudeau's chances of re-election. He also takes a look at some of the more controversial questions posed to him by the media, including if he regrets calling the election.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey, welcome to The Cory Morgan Show, second one of this ongoing general election, which began
00:00:13.720 as election about nothing and now seems to be turning into quite the race. We've got some great
00:00:19.880 developments or bad developments, depending on what side of the spectrum you sit on. Things
00:00:23.880 have been changing. The locked victory for the Liberals clearly isn't nearly as locked as they'd
00:00:29.900 hoped it would be when they dropped the rip there. I'll be speaking to guests a little later on,
00:00:35.540 Michelle Sterling from the Friends of Science. We'll talk a little bit about climate change,
00:00:40.360 electric vehicles, the great transition, all of those trendy things. It hasn't really been coming
00:00:44.820 up a lot in this election yet, though. I mean, those are a lot of Trudeau's core issues and
00:00:49.620 principles. So I suspect they're going to be coming up a little later on. So we get some of that
00:00:53.060 groundwork done and then talk about what's happening with those sorts of things. Speaking for ourselves
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00:02:17.400 right now. And when BS from the mainstream media, unfortunately tends to dominate and we end up
00:02:21.940 voting in and reelecting bad politicians. So starting with that, let's talk about bad politicians.
00:02:28.400 They always give us lots to work with. So as I said, we've seen a dramatic shift in the polls.
00:02:33.380 The liberals looked like they were coming into this with a comfortable lead. Somehow in the first week
00:02:37.900 of the campaign, everything's already fallen apart for the liberals. It's gone to hell. You can see the
00:02:42.040 tension in them. I mean, Justin there was, was stammering more than usual and getting quite grumpy
00:02:46.840 when the lines of questioning were coming at the conferences. You gotta remember, Justin's an actor.
00:02:52.740 If he's got a script, he can pull it off. He can talk about things. He has to have though a solid
00:02:58.240 script. Somebody brighter than him has to be able to write it for him. If he can't read it, if he can't
00:03:03.060 memorize it and spit it back out, he's in trouble. When he has to think on his feet, well, I mean, his
00:03:08.600 shoes are usually on the wrong feet. So you understand where that goes. And he's been stuck at these
00:03:12.680 conferences. There's been killers going after him. Uh, he's been getting nervous. He's been
00:03:16.840 getting agitated. Uh, the media asked him a little while back, you know, if he regretted calling the
00:03:21.200 election, uh, just before the, the, the Afghan pullout and disaster that's happening over in
00:03:26.900 Afghanistan happened. And he didn't even answer the question. He treated it like question period.
00:03:31.200 Again, he seemed kind of grouchy and he just went on rambling about other things and then attacked
00:03:35.820 Aaron O'Toole. That's fine, but you better come up with an answer for it. Um, to be honest, I mean,
00:03:41.940 I thought that would have been a relatively easy one. That's one of the few things I almost don't
00:03:45.500 blame him for, at least with the timing and you don't see those things necessarily coming. You
00:03:48.920 know, when you call an election, you can't be held responsible for the issues that broke during it.
00:03:52.240 That's just the chances you take when you called it. But again, prime minister Trudeau, he can't
00:03:57.040 think up answers on his own. So obviously that wasn't in his morning briefing. They didn't give him
00:04:00.860 a canned stock answer to do. So he got flustered and looked all the more foolish. Then you see
00:04:06.500 deputy prime minister, Christia Freeland, one of the ones he's usually considered one of the
00:04:10.000 brighter ones in Justin's cabinet. I mean, Seamus O'Regan should certainly wasn't or Catherine
00:04:14.120 McKenna, but you did have Freeland who seemed to be reasonably competent, puts out a grossly doctored
00:04:20.440 video of Aaron O'Toole talking about, uh, possibilities for private public mixed provision of
00:04:26.720 healthcare. I mean, it was blatant, blatant to the point that Twitter actually flagged it
00:04:32.000 as misleading media. And rather than, you know, back off rather than admit a mistake, rather than
00:04:39.920 just delete the thing and let this go, they doubled down. Trudeau retweets it. Trudeau goes
00:04:44.380 on about it with this, this BS doctored video saying it's proof that Aaron O'Toole wants to
00:04:50.300 privatize healthcare. Trudeau, you've just been caught essentially, or at least that the video
00:04:54.820 was a lie the way it's been doctored. And instead of just backing out of the bloody thing, you double
00:04:59.940 down on the lie. People could see the proof. Otherwise the whole two minute video was there.
00:05:03.500 They could see what you guys did to him. You look like an idiot. Well, that's nothing new,
00:05:08.840 but you're looking more like one and certainly easy to prove. So carry on. It was it Napoleon who
00:05:14.220 said, you know, I'm not sure now, or maybe it was Machiavelli or something from the art of war,
00:05:18.580 but something like when the enemy is busy destroying themselves, don't get in their way.
00:05:21.680 Just let the give them rope, carry on. And that would be a wise strategy on the parts of the
00:05:26.160 conservatives right now who have to be pretty happy. I mean, they were coming into this
00:05:29.420 pretty dejected thinking they might be running into just at best, you know, maintaining a minority
00:05:34.780 liberal government. They might actually be looking at forming a government, if only a minority one
00:05:39.900 soon, a conservative one. But how are they getting there? And that's where I'm starting to get
00:05:43.980 concerned. I mean, what remnants of conservative policy are there left? Some of the stuff coming
00:05:49.200 out of O'Toole has been shocking. One that really got me was when he's talking about mandating
00:05:54.880 labor presence on the boards of private corporations, mandating employees have to be
00:06:02.260 sitting on the board of directors of a private corporation. Who the hell do you think you are?
00:06:07.620 That's a private corporation. And I know you were talking about federally regulated ones,
00:06:10.720 but it doesn't matter. You know, it's bad enough to try and outspend each other like mad,
00:06:14.700 which you guys are doing. But this is a case of you going into the boardrooms of private
00:06:19.700 corporations and telling them how to run their business. That is not a conservative policy.
00:06:25.620 Even Jagmeet Singh didn't call for that. Of course, he'd want to make them all crown
00:06:29.520 corporations. I guess you just want to do it by increments, Mr. O'Toole. This is not cool. This is
00:06:35.020 not a good way to go. This is how you shake investment away from our country. That's already,
00:06:39.720 when we're looking at Alberta, an investment pariah because we have a hostile federal government.
00:06:43.240 And you want to insert the federal government into the boardrooms of private
00:06:47.380 corporations through regulation and force them to have a labor component on their board. I mean,
00:06:52.580 some people are saying, Oh, it's a great idea. You should have it. You should get that. Well,
00:06:54.940 then let them decide it. It's their corporation. Let the shareholders decide it. If labor really wants
00:06:59.820 to control corporations, it's pretty easy. Buy shares, form your own. Why have your cooperatives
00:07:06.080 not taken everything over? I mean, boy, labor, you guys know how to run everything better than CEOs.
00:07:11.040 Why have you never managed to do it though? Either way, that's the roto tools been going down
00:07:15.920 and it's disturbing. He's talking about massive money to build housing for people. Is that even
00:07:21.360 a federal jurisdiction thing? I mean, we do have some problems with housing. We could do some policy
00:07:25.100 tweaks. We can examine foreign ownership, but how many dollars do we want to put in
00:07:29.180 to build or buy houses for other people? The rest of us had to work our asses off for a down payment.
00:07:34.540 That's the way it works. That's reduces the defaults on loans, but you want to bypass that again.
00:07:40.500 You're just throwing out the shallow promises and promises and promises that we can't afford right now.
00:07:44.180 Again, I understand you can't come off as a hard, cold conservative in this time of crisis
00:07:50.260 on every level, but you've got to at least retain a little bit of difference from the liberals,
00:07:55.020 at least stay a little to the right of them. And I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of that.
00:07:59.200 Another area was the CBC. You backed off on that fast enough, O'Toole.
00:08:03.640 You were in your leadership, if I recall, promising to actually defund the CBC. You backtracked on that.
00:08:11.220 No, now you're going to strike a committee on it. That's another double speak way of saying you're
00:08:14.620 not going to do a damn thing about it. So you got scared of the state broadcaster.
00:08:17.520 And you know what, O'Toole? They're still not going to like you. They're still not going to be
00:08:21.240 nice to you. They're the CBC. I mean, you're just trying to appease a bloated government tagger
00:08:29.200 that's still going to eat you. So don't. You should have stuck to your original promise.
00:08:34.000 You're not going to gain good press out of this. At least, you know, he did speak about getting rid
00:08:38.180 of the subsidies that are going to the other press in the private market. That's a good move in the
00:08:42.340 right direction. But I mean, again, strategically, okay, so you've appeased the CBC who still hates
00:08:47.020 you. And now you're ticking off the rest of the media who never wear all that warranty with you
00:08:51.880 to begin with, but are probably going to be worse. Either way, it is only about a quarter of the way
00:08:57.380 through the federal election campaign. If we can see it swing this much in the first quarter,
00:09:01.700 it could swing dramatically in any number of ways in the next three quarters coming up.
00:09:05.860 But I mean, momentum is everything. And Trudeau has already lost a quarter of this thing.
00:09:10.160 It's hard to come back. It's interesting to watch this. You know, three weeks ago,
00:09:13.960 none of us would have imagined that O'Toole looked like he might be poised to become the
00:09:17.080 next prime minister. This might happen. We'll see. Time will tell. Now, I'm going to get to my
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00:11:43.860 the Friends of Science. You've probably seen her on social media. She's been managing that group for quite
00:11:48.540 some time. They put out a lot of good papers, studies that are at least contrary to the
00:11:54.200 talking points, the general lines on things like climate change and carbon taxes and things such
00:12:01.080 as that. We haven't been hearing a lot in the election about the climate change yet, but we
00:12:05.160 know we're going to. So I had a really good chat with Michelle about that and tune in and see what
00:12:11.360 she has to say. Okay. Well, thanks for joining me today, Michelle. It's good to see you again.
00:12:16.600 And it's always easy to find lots to talk about. Of course, while you specialize in a few things with
00:12:23.520 Friends of Science and something that leading up to the election has been a really big issue is
00:12:27.920 climate change, environment, things like that. I would have thought that the Liberals would have
00:12:32.200 come right out of the gates and dove into that issue. We've been hearing a little bit, but it hasn't
00:12:36.680 been top of mind yet. Why do you think they're putting it off? Well, it may be because the most
00:12:42.120 recent IPCC report that the media reported as code red and catastrophe, which was coming from
00:12:49.560 Guterres press release and not from the report itself. But the new report, according to Roger
00:12:55.040 PLK Jr. is very optimistic because they've abandoned what's known as RCP 8.5, which was the most catastrophic
00:13:03.840 scenario, and said that that's least likely now. So actually, the climate emergency is over,
00:13:10.880 and we do have time. So, you know, it's going to be hard for the Liberals to square that with all of
00:13:17.760 their climate catastrophe thinking. And also, I should mention just before the election was called,
00:13:25.040 we had sent an open letter to a number of people on Jonathan Wilkinson's call for an adult debate on
00:13:31.520 environment and climate. And we think that that would be an excellent idea. So we have,
00:13:36.960 he inadvertently made that statement, probably inadvertently when he was critiquing the conservative
00:13:44.800 party's climate plan. But in fact, let's have that open debate.
00:13:50.960 Well, it is refreshing to say that we even admit it's a bit debatable, perhaps. I mean,
00:13:56.560 they've always tried to say it's case closed. The science settled. We can't even talk about it.
00:13:59.920 We just got to move on with measures. Right. And some of those measures,
00:14:04.400 people should know that there's a group called the Climate Emergency Unit, which is part of the
00:14:08.880 David Suzuki Foundation or Institute. And they're, my friend calls them the climate Taliban. But they're
00:14:16.400 now demanding that, that since there's an alleged climate emergency, that in World War Two, the Canadian
00:14:25.280 government created 28 crown corporations. And within two years, Canada increased aircraft manufacturing
00:14:31.600 25 fold. So they think the same thing should be applied to the Green New Deal and the supposed just
00:14:40.720 transition. Well, in fact, there's just no transition going on. Canada has maybe 3.5% of the energy
00:14:48.400 generated from wind and solar. And the rest is from fossil fuels, hydro and nuclear. So, you know,
00:14:55.360 we shouldn't take these people's advice, because they haven't done any due diligence, no cost benefit analysis,
00:15:01.200 it's purely ideological. And, and in fact, the irony of this is that, indeed, during World War Two, the government did create a number of crown corporations. But immediately after,
00:15:14.000 he said, I'm sure CD, how did everything he could to re privatize that and turn it back to free market. So, you know, it's actually for them, it's a bad example to use.
00:15:24.880 Yeah. No, we don't need any more bloated crown corporations. They've rarely done us any favors.
00:15:29.600 And that seems to be the trend of the day, though. I mean, governments can get away with a whole heck of a lot,
00:15:34.240 as long as they can convince everybody it's an emergency, it's pressing, and they can bypass normal democratic means
00:15:40.160 of change because it's just so critical that they have to do something right now.
00:15:43.600 And we're certainly seeing that with the pandemic as well.
00:15:45.600 Right. And you can see also that the climate activists are also the COVID activists. I mean,
00:15:51.200 look at Dr. Joe Vipond, who's out there running around with his little climate button on
00:15:55.680 and claiming we should all be locked down forever. You know, if you look deeper into this, you'll
00:16:00.720 find that the Deutsche Bank out of Germany, if you can believe this, is calling for an eco
00:16:05.440 dictatorship to force people to not use energy. And basically, that'll kill a lot of people,
00:16:13.280 especially in Canada, you know, they're, they're pushing for no natural gas use in Canada. So,
00:16:20.400 and electrifying everything that would cost trillions of dollars that we don't have,
00:16:25.280 it would take decades, not 10 or 15 years as they propose. And in the process, many people would die.
00:16:32.720 Yeah. Well, let's assume that perhaps that's the way to go. And we will actually get to a point
00:16:39.120 where the whole world's on electricity, but realistically we're looking at 40, 50, 60 years
00:16:44.400 before we could get to that point. But these crazy transition plans and things are saying,
00:16:48.480 we should shut in our conventional energy right now and retrain people to blow in windmills or
00:16:54.320 whatever they're supposed to do for their new jobs. They're really putting the cart before the horse.
00:16:58.880 I mean, we've seen the consequences of that south of the border where Biden worked so hard and so
00:17:04.160 fast to shut down domestic energy supplies. And now he's cap in hand, groveling to OPEC to try and get
00:17:10.080 them to increase production.
00:17:11.280 Yes. Well, you know, people have to realize that electricity is not a form of energy. It's created
00:17:19.680 from energy like coal, natural gas, and oil. And of course the greens don't like nuclear. And so,
00:17:26.320 you know, we either will be reliant on imports from other countries and pretend that we don't have
00:17:32.400 emissions here, like the Biden administration appears to be doing, or, you know, we'll get
00:17:37.840 some common sense and stop with these nonsensical climate emergency net zero plans.
00:17:45.760 Yeah. I mean, they're all over the map. It just, they want to shut down all petrochemical forms of
00:17:52.160 generation. And yes, they're absolutely opposed to nuclear, but even with hydroelectric, they're
00:17:57.040 fighting site C for all they're worth in BC. I mean, if we went to this electric world that they want
00:18:03.600 to see, we'd have to be digging and building hydroelectric plants in a massive scale with an
00:18:09.840 incredible footprint and a lot of energy burned in creating these new dams.
00:18:14.720 Right. Well, you know, it would take another 10,000 additional megawatts of power generation for
00:18:20.560 Canada, just for electric vehicle policy. And each of those, that would be like 10,
00:18:26.880 eight or 10 site C dams or Muskrat Falls. And each of those take 10 to 20 or 20 to 30 years horizon to
00:18:35.040 build them, not to mention it's billions of dollars to build them. And you have to build the infrastructure
00:18:42.080 to go with them all the big high voltage transmission lines. That's very, very expensive.
00:18:48.640 And it often takes decades to do the land expropriation for that to negotiate the deal. So,
00:18:55.520 you know, they're completely out to lunch and no realistic assessment whatsoever and no cost benefit
00:19:02.800 analysis. So people should be called out on that. These are very dangerous plans. It's very likely that we
00:19:09.840 could be get, you know, we could get stuck halfway out of money and in the dark.
00:19:17.200 Well, and those upgrades, again, are going to take a lot of time and a lot of money all the way down to
00:19:20.720 the household level. I mean, your average household doesn't have the means or ability to plug in an
00:19:25.760 electric vehicle at this time.
00:19:27.200 That's right. Yeah. And all the regional distribution lines within the cities would also have to be upgraded
00:19:33.040 and think of the thousands of cars that park on the street. You're not going to be running a big power
00:19:38.400 line to plug in your EV on the street. So that means people will have to be lined up at certain
00:19:43.120 chargers. And actually, you know, the media is doing a disservice to the public because they're
00:19:48.320 cheerleading all of these things. We've got some really great reports done by professional engineers
00:19:53.440 here in Alberta on our blog. One is called the true cost of wind and solar to Alberta. The cost for
00:19:59.760 battery storage for Alberta for one day would be somewhere in the vicinity of $2 trillion. You know,
00:20:05.760 so people really have to learn about this stuff. We've got another one about the Karmengay solar farm
00:20:12.480 where every Albertan is subsidizing every citizen of Karmengay for $921 a year so they can pretend to
00:20:20.000 be carbon neutral. And we've got another one on CTV's misleading math on EVs coming to Alberta. So,
00:20:28.560 you know, I think if people can look at some of these reports, oh, and we've got one more called
00:20:36.000 what you need to know about renewables that Pembina Institute won't tell you. So I hope that people
00:20:42.400 will have a look at that because it gives you a real good idea of what we're facing.
00:20:47.280 Yeah. Well, and aside from people wanting to feel cleaner and greener and all that, they really have to
00:20:52.560 look at what this is going to cost and where it's going to hit them in the pocketbook. And I think a lot of
00:20:56.400 proponents of electric vehicles really have a mental deficit when it comes to thinking of supply and
00:21:01.520 demand. I've heard people talk about, look how cheap it would be to charge a car. Look how fantastic it
00:21:05.360 would be. Guys, if we suddenly have millions of electric cars in Canada, the prices for electricity
00:21:12.160 are going to go through the roof. Even if you don't drive, lighting your household now, powering your
00:21:16.720 house, you won't have natural gas heat anymore. So it's going to be electric heat. Your cost of living is
00:21:20.800 going to go through the roof. That's right. And none of these things can be done in short order.
00:21:25.920 And also, well, we have a series of three reports on EVs by Robert Lyman, which begins with false
00:21:33.200 expectations. And people probably don't realize it, but when you buy a conventional car, you're actually
00:21:39.920 financing EVs because, um, for instance, uh, with Tesla, uh, Tesla made the most money from, uh, renewable
00:21:49.360 energy certificate purchases by other car manufacturers. So that's being tacked on your conventional vehicle.
00:21:58.400 Well, and the pressure is coming from all directions and we're seeing it a lot from the corporate world
00:22:02.320 now too, though. They're turning around and virtue signaling, uh, you know, shells going into renewables
00:22:08.320 and the auto plants are saying they're going to retool and do nothing but electric. Uh, this is going
00:22:14.080 to cost them terribly in the long run, I would think. Well, unfortunately it, it seems to be that
00:22:19.680 they're institutional investors in these companies. They're all signed up with the UN PRI, the United
00:22:26.480 Nations principle for responsible investment, whose fiduciary guru is Al Gore. And of course they all follow
00:22:33.840 what Mark Carney says, you know, these institutional investors are making the biggest mistake of their
00:22:39.360 life. If they're divesting of fossil fuels and going into green. And in fact, in 2013, Joseph dear,
00:22:46.240 who was the CIO of, um, CalPERS said that cleantech is an L for lose investment and we're not here to lose
00:22:54.400 money. So they're being, these corporations are being cornered into it by their institutional investors.
00:23:01.120 Sometimes they make a profit because it's subsidized, but where's that subsidy coming from? It's coming
00:23:05.680 from you, you know, and there's an end point where taxpayers can never continue to support these
00:23:12.640 charitable NGOs that are pushing for these policies and these green crony capitalists. We're, we're out of
00:23:18.880 money. We're broke. Yeah. Well, we just seem to have, you know, when I think of the last big
00:23:24.880 transportation, um, change we made transition, it was say from the horse and wagon to the, the, the
00:23:32.000 personal automobile and vehicle, but they didn't bring that about by punishing horse and wagon drivers
00:23:39.200 in order to subsidize the niche market of automobiles. I mean, it took time. They were luxuries.
00:23:44.640 They were a novelty for a while until finally Ford came around and made them cost effective for the
00:23:49.920 average individual people bought in and eventually the horse and wagon went away, but we just can't seem
00:23:55.600 to let the free market deal with electric vehicles and let them evolve on their own as, as the past
00:23:59.920 transition did. Right. And ironically that you mentioned horse and wagon, there's a professor out in BC who is
00:24:07.520 proposing that we should have a smaller footprint. And therefore today we should be breeding, uh, Friesian
00:24:13.440 and other, you know, big draft horses so that we can go back to working the fields with a horse and, um,
00:24:20.560 you know, a few hardy men like this is a professor at a university. Okay. I mean,
00:24:26.800 yeah, that's magnificent. If we want mass starvation, I mean, uh, sure 150 years ago, that's how the world
00:24:34.160 was fed, but the population was a tiny fraction of what it is today. And, and starvation was pretty common.
00:24:39.600 Famines came and went all the time. It's frightening to think that, that people
00:24:43.360 with tenure in our, uh, quote unquote higher levels of, uh, you know, educational institutions are,
00:24:49.440 are like that, but it's not surprising anymore, I'm afraid.
00:24:52.800 Yeah, no, it's quite shocking. And, you know, again, uh, many of these policies, like, uh, people
00:24:58.640 are advocating, have one less child, eat less meat, eat more veggies. You know, one of the authors of one
00:25:05.520 of those reports is from Sweden. Well, where do you think all those veggies come from? They have to be
00:25:10.160 shipped there, you know, and this whole thing of having one less child is ludicrous because the
00:25:15.920 world population is actually facing big drop off in the next few years anyway, because all us boomers
00:25:21.520 will be going away. So, you know, it's, um, it's really, really sick. And actually some of that idea
00:25:29.760 of depopulation comes from those, um, RCP 8.5 scenarios that I mentioned before. The other scenarios in that
00:25:38.160 group have 3 billion fewer people. So, uh, in their modeling, they designed it with 3 billion fewer
00:25:45.840 people, but that might mean that some of these climate activists, the real nutty ones believe
00:25:52.160 that we should have 3 billion fewer people. And that was never the intent of those, those scenarios.
00:25:59.200 But, uh, yeah, there's a real, you know, sick kind of depopulation mentality in a lot of the climate
00:26:05.680 community. Yeah. Well, and if people want to choose not to have kids, just let them have the choice.
00:26:09.440 That's just where we got to leave things. You know what? Uh, yeah, a bit with what you're talking
00:26:13.360 about before too, like, you know, I'll have some hipster lecturing me on how I'm so selfish with my
00:26:18.480 luxuries in winter and travel while they're eating their avocado toast in Calgary, January. I mean,
00:26:23.760 I haven't seen many domestic avocado trees lately. Maybe they just don't understand where that's coming from.
00:26:29.280 Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, just to, to kind of wrap things up though, as we are in the election period,
00:26:36.400 uh, what do you think we can look forward to? I mean, are there any positives we might see coming
00:26:39.920 out of some of the parties or candidates or things we can hope to look forward to?
00:26:44.800 Boy, it's pretty hard to say because the ENGOs are so powerful. Um, you know, between 2000 and 2018,
00:26:53.040 the top 40 ENGOs in Canada had 18 times the revenues of all political parties combined. So
00:26:59.920 they're an incredibly powerful force, both in terms of money, influence, media influence. We
00:27:06.480 found that the Strathmere group, which is like 14 of the largest, um, ENGOs in Canada had been meeting
00:27:14.640 with the media and planning strategy prior to the 2015 election. This is on the Boothroyd
00:27:21.120 communications site. They're very proud of it. So, you know, these are kind of a pack
00:27:27.440 that ordinary citizens just, you know, we don't have that kind of financial or social influence.
00:27:34.000 And unfortunately they are very cause oriented. So when, when we citizens, or when our group,
00:27:40.480 Friends of Science asked for open civil debate, as you said, no debate, they shut it down, purely
00:27:46.320 ideology. And, uh, it's very difficult to reason on these things. So, you know, I, I don't know what
00:27:53.360 the future holds in the election campaign, but hopefully someone will come to their senses.
00:27:58.800 Well, it's frustrating, but hopefully people are paying attention and speak to their elected
00:28:02.800 officials or at least the candidates going ahead. Uh, and you, your site does provide a massive amount
00:28:07.360 of resources and reports. So maybe to close up, uh, where can we find more information on you and the
00:28:11.760 Friends of Science and, and where can people get more information? Well, we're at friendsofscience.org
00:28:17.920 and we're on Facebook as well. We're on Twitter, Friends O Science. And we also have a blog that's
00:28:23.520 very active. We're on LinkedIn and, um, uh, you know, we invite people to join the debate, share our
00:28:30.960 material, challenge us. That's fine. We're interested in open civil debate.
00:28:37.040 Great. Well, thank you very much for joining me today, Michelle, and keep up the good work.
00:28:41.280 Thanks, Corey. Thanks very much.