Western Standard - Danielle Smith & Dr. John

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00:03:00.000 Good evening. I'm Derek Fildebrandt. Welcome to another special edition of Danielle Smith

00:03:06.780 Uncensored. I think that's what we're going to call this for now. We're going to continue

00:03:15.060 with what we started last week, a series of interviews by Danielle Smith, guest hosting

00:03:21.660 on the Western Standard, dealing with controversial issues around COVID-19 that you might not

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00:04:13.500 comments across screen after the presentation from dr. John who is with us

00:04:18.480 today Danielle has assured me that dr. John is a real doctor we did not make

00:04:23.740 him up and just call him Dr. John. Dr. John is his real name, but I understand we're not

00:04:29.340 using the last name because he's got enough patients and he doesn't need all of you to bug

00:04:33.220 him. So without further ado, I will hand the show over to Danielle Smith to queue us up for the

00:04:42.380 rest of the episode. Thanks a lot. Thanks so much, Derek. Thanks for giving me this opportunity to

00:04:46.960 co-host and guest host on your show. I should just give a word to our sponsor. We do have a

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00:05:09.260 K-Y-R-O-N-S way. Well, that's nice that we've got a sponsor for this. And I'm delighted that Dr. John 1.00

00:05:15.680 is join me for what we're calling one final hurrah um when i was in radio i i came across

00:05:23.280 dr john shortly after the new dietary guidelines had come out and he got in touch with me and

00:05:30.080 because i'm an atkins diet enthusiast and he is an enthusiast of a book called eat rich live long we

00:05:37.840 developed a relationship and friendship over talking about dietary issues how you keep yourself

00:05:43.680 healthy how you keep your immune system strong and then bang

00:05:47.520 covet hit and if you're wondering why i've been able to keep my sanity for the

00:05:51.440 last year it's because every time a new study

00:05:54.480 or a new development or a new potential therapeutic treatment came on board

00:05:58.880 i was able to ask dr john if there was any good

00:06:02.240 medical research behind it and he was able to steer me down a path of what

00:06:06.320 looked promising and steer me away from things that didn't

00:06:09.040 look promising so i i thought that this would be a good

00:06:12.000 opportunity for us to have a chance to talk about all of the things that we weren't able to fully

00:06:17.200 talk about uh on the air i don't know why it is the case but it seems to be the case that any

00:06:23.360 discussion of therapeutic remedies is immediately discredited or downplayed and what surprises me

00:06:31.280 about this is if you want to go online and look at a pandemic planning exercise called event 201

00:06:37.600 it was put on by the john hopkins institute it was literally a month before we discovered covid

00:06:43.600 in america and what we found was what one of the sessions found was that what in the pandemic

00:06:50.800 planning exercise the things that we should be focusing on is finding cheap available readily

00:06:57.200 understood easily assimilated therapeutics so that you could delay the onset of the worst

00:07:03.600 outcomes when a new virus hits but for some reason i got thrown completely out the window

00:07:08.400 when the real pandemic hit so do understand that talking about therapeutics shouldn't be controversial

00:07:14.880 it was never seen to be controversial before it is controversial now i don't know all the reasons

00:07:19.120 behind that but we will go into the medical research and uh just prepare yourself there's

00:07:24.480 a lot of slides here we've got a lot of information to get through and the state of medical research

00:07:30.000 is a pretty sorry one and with that we will go into uh discussing with that with dr john he's

00:07:35.520 got a series of slides that we'll go through and let me put it to you that way because i think that

00:07:39.040 was the first conversation that we had is why is it that we don't have very good medical research

00:07:45.360 on a whole range of issues and that's a big answer to to get started with but i think

00:07:50.400 we'll help frame our discussion dr john go ahead uh thank you danielle it's a great pleasure to be

00:07:56.800 with you here and uh we miss you already but uh hopefully we can still keep in touch with you with

00:08:03.200 a few things now then but anyway i was going to start i started with some quotes from a couple

00:08:08.800 of people from um well i think would be arguably that the two most prestigious medical journals

00:08:15.680 in the world are the new england journal of medicine and the lancet so so this is a quote

00:08:21.600 you can i've highlighted down the bottom marcia engel wrote um it's simply no longer possible

00:08:27.280 to believe much of the clinical research that is published or to rely on judgment of trusted

00:08:32.720 physicians or authoritative medical guidelines i take no pleasure in this conclusion which i

00:08:38.800 have reached slowly and reluctantly over two decades as editor of the new new england journal

00:08:43.680 of medicine quite quite stunning that someone in that position would write that and and then this

00:08:50.000 one is from richard horton who is the editor of the lancet uh the case against science is

00:08:55.840 straightforward much of the scientific literature perhaps half may simply be untrue afflicted by

00:09:02.240 studies with small sample size tiny effects invalid explorative analysis and flagrant

00:09:08.400 conflicts of interest together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends dubious import

00:09:14.640 of dubious importance and science has uh science has taken a turn towards darkness

00:09:21.680 and yeah there's things that have happened in the last years uh one of the biggest things is funding

00:09:28.720 uh much of the funding will come from pharmaceutical companies much of it will

00:09:33.680 come from government but these researchers are always fighting for funding half sometimes half

00:09:38.400 their job is trying to find funding and to get funding you need to publish and

00:09:45.300 to publish you need positive results and or to get that more chance of getting

00:09:50.160 funding you need positive results and they just tend to publish positive

00:09:52.940 results we'll get into a little bit about the pharmaceutical companies in a

00:09:57.400 bit but they do much of the funding as well and so we've ended up with a state

00:10:03.360 where you know these two people in these positions editors of the most

00:10:07.440 prestigious journals in the world have said we can't trust science anymore which is a pretty

00:10:14.000 remarkable statement it it very much is yes so i i put this on the screen because it kind of

00:10:21.840 was a landmark milestone in my journey in this area and this book came out i think it was 2012

00:10:29.200 written by nina teicholtz uh she's a scientific journalist and she wrote this book called the

00:10:34.080 big fat surprise and in that book she details and dissects every important study in nutrition

00:10:42.000 going back 150 years and as she's going through that you see how bad things are how bad the

00:10:49.360 science is how bad the conclusions the scientists reach the conflicts of interest the pushing agendas

00:10:56.720 and ideas and just when you think it can't get worse you turn the page and it's even worse and

00:11:01.440 And it was quite revealing and kind of led me to be more vigilant in looking at things and really come to the point where if I want to understand an issue, I have to go to the basic research.

00:11:14.140 I have to read the studies. I have to dissect these studies. I have to understand them myself.

00:11:22.640 And here's an example of a bad science. So, well, this is good science, but I'll translate it to bad science.

00:11:28.520 so we have associations so in this case we see two associations one is forest fires and ice

00:11:35.880 cream sales and the second one is shark attacks and ice cream sales and you can see that they

00:11:42.680 correlate beautifully and and but i'm sure no one would say eating ice cream causes shark attacks

00:11:48.360 of course the confounder is summer and it's easy to see on this graph but when you look at another

00:11:54.600 graph where it's red meat and cancer and you see a nice correlation between all the more people eat

00:12:01.380 red meat the more cancer we see that's it's hard to see it's hard to understand but it's still the

00:12:09.900 same problem it's still what we call ice cream science and so we have levels of evidence and

00:12:17.820 and this is a basic um diagram of the lowest levels of evidence up to the to the best so of

00:12:24.780 course expert opinion at the bottom case series that's like when you have one patient and report

00:12:30.540 the the findings and you publish it and they can be important to start science

00:12:35.580 case controlled studies um and and this would include include epidemiological

00:12:41.180 epidemiological studies where you're studying populations uh cohort studies so that's when

00:12:46.220 you get two groups of people and you follow them along and you look for differences in them and

00:12:52.140 you you usually start prospectively which means you're going forward randomized controlled trials

00:12:57.580 so this is the this is the gold standard trial so this is where you take two groups of people

00:13:03.340 you try to match them as good as you can and one group gets an intervention and one get groups what

00:13:08.620 group gets a placebo ideally it's blinded so the researchers and the patients don't know who's

00:13:13.580 getting the real thing who not and then after a year or two you unblind it you see what effect

00:13:18.460 happened and then the top would be the systemic reviews and this is where a scientist or a

00:13:27.580 researcher will try to put the science all together they'll take many studies and basically put them

00:13:33.580 into one study and this if done properly is the the best evidence the problem is at any level here

00:13:42.300 a researcher who's savvy with bias can influence and make the results not conform to perhaps what

00:13:50.220 they should have so before we leave this dr john when we're talking about the scientific research

00:13:56.540 that we'll be talking about tonight how much of it has been gone has gone up to that randomized

00:14:02.380 control trials versus some of the the other levels like i think part of the reason we saw

00:14:07.660 some early promise about hydroxychloroquine zinc and azithromycin is because of

00:14:13.420 dr didier raul who did that early um type of research with his own patients but do we have

00:14:20.940 a lot of evidence now at that top level on the random control trials on the on the different

00:14:25.900 therapeutics we'll be talking about tonight on some of them we do um but but there's controversy

00:14:32.300 about that and we'll kind of try to plow into that and figure that out and not all epidemiological

00:14:39.100 studies are bad and they can be helpful and and we're going to talk about that as well and

00:14:44.940 it if you so for example i haven't seen a randomized control trial on whether penicillin

00:14:52.140 works on meningococcal meningitis but with meningitis meningococcal meningitis it's pretty

00:14:59.340 much 100 fatal without treatment and pretty much everyone lives with treatment and it would be

00:15:05.260 unethical and crazy to do a trial a randomized controlled trial on that would it not

00:15:10.540 so if you get enough effect from an intervention you can take that as valid if even if it's not a

00:15:18.140 controlled trial uh smoking and lung cancer um i haven't seen a randomized controlled trial of

00:15:23.900 whether smoking causes lung cancer but we've done these associational studies where people who smoke

00:15:30.380 have lung cancer rates 10 or 15 times more than people who don't and when we see a large association

00:15:36.700 like that that we take as serious important and and true generally that there's there's there's

00:15:42.540 all sorts of ways that this is done and it's standardized for example bradford hill or the

00:15:47.980 grade criteria if you see an associational study with an effect that's at least double then you

00:15:56.920 start taking it seriously but anything less than that you can just ignore okay okay Richard Feynman

00:16:04.840 he's one of my favorite scientists of all time he's a physicist from the last century worked on

00:16:11.320 nuclear bomb and and quite well known if you grew up in the 60s and 70s like i did and he wrote a

00:16:18.360 lot of things a lot of really interesting quotes but this is one of my favorite if it d if it

00:16:24.440 disagrees with experiment it's wrong and that simple statement is the key to science it doesn't

00:16:30.520 matter any difference how beautiful your guest is it doesn't matter how smart you are who made a

00:16:36.360 guess what his name is if it disagrees with experiment it's wrong that's all there is to it

00:16:42.680 and my right on the bottom there's the point here is empirical data trumps uh theories it trumps

00:16:50.040 models it trumps guesses uh so we really want to look at the data and if we have a beautiful theory

00:16:57.160 but one black swan comes out and refutes our beautiful theory our beautiful theory is toast

00:17:02.840 consensus is not science science is not consensus here is this is the life expectancy of populations

00:17:14.780 in the world and you could see the top is Hong Kong and Canada's near at the bottom there but

00:17:20.420 you know interesting you know Hong Kong is not a country but the reason I Hong Kong as the longest

00:17:25.640 of population will be clear in the next slide so we look at meat consumption around the world and 0.92

00:17:33.400 hong kong by far are the biggest meat eaters 60 more than the nearest country and yeah but they

00:17:41.960 live the longest isn't meat bad for you right and and so this again is an associational study

00:17:49.320 and it doesn't tell me that eating meat makes me live longer it doesn't tell me that you can't be

00:17:53.320 healthy on a plant-based diet you certainly can but it does blow holes in that premise that eating

00:17:59.320 meat is bad for you well and thank you for going to that point as well that we've got to look at

00:18:04.840 real world data we so much of the covid response has been centered around computer modeling and

00:18:10.760 so it's it's nice to be grounded in what we're actually seeing i think that the next um sort

00:18:16.120 of series of questions we're going to get into helps us to understand what covid 19 is and what

00:18:22.120 SARS-CoV-2 is. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that causes the disease COVID-19. There was some

00:18:31.720 really good early work that I played on the air with Dr. Kyle Cameron Seidel who was struggling

00:18:40.280 with this question of is COVID-19 a blood disease that causes a respiratory condition or is it a

00:18:48.760 respiratory disease that causes low oxygen in the blood because one of the things that he observed

00:18:54.120 is that people were coming into his emergency room with what looked like altitude sickness

00:18:58.840 and when they tested the blood they had dramatically low levels of oxygen almost

00:19:03.160 lower than you could expect that you could still survive and our traditional way of treating that

00:19:08.840 is to treat it by pushing more oxygen into the lungs but if it's a blood disease causing your

00:19:14.680 lung problem that you then you'd have a whole series of different solutions so i wanted to

00:19:18.200 sort of frame that that was my thinking coming into it and i wonder if you can explain to us

00:19:21.880 what what is covet 19 is it a is it a lung disease or is it a blood disease or is it both

00:19:27.960 radio uh so so this slide it's a little bit complex i'll just take a second to to go through

00:19:35.240 it the top you see the people the green they're healthy feeling good the orange they're not

00:19:40.040 feeling very good they're you know they're feeling like they've got a cold the red people

00:19:43.960 are feeling really quite ill and that they're in hospital and the the black people they're in

00:19:48.440 icu on ventilators or even possibly passed away then you see the next line down is oxygen saturation

00:19:55.640 viral replication inflammation response and then the bottom is time in days so day one is when you

00:20:02.200 get infected with the virus and day five is when you start feeling symptoms day 12 is when you get

00:20:08.680 into the early pulmonary phase the early stage where you're really starting to get sick and

00:20:13.000 thinking i might need to go to hospital according to day 15 is when when you're quite ill if we're

00:20:18.440 if you are somebody susceptible to covid and i think what's important here is that

00:20:25.000 the viral replication stage although it starts five days before you get sick by the time you're

00:20:30.360 on to day 12 which is seven days after the onset of symptoms the viral replication phase is pretty

00:20:36.120 much done and now we switch to a phase of the illness where it's more of an inflammation that

00:20:42.040 cytokine storm we've talked about and and it's the the effects of the infection that are now

00:20:47.560 ravaging our body and if we're going to give treatments for uh covid and you know if we come

00:20:54.120 to a place where you start SARS-CoV-2 and COVID almost interchangeably i think we kind of know

00:20:58.440 what that means but COVID is the illness but if we are looking at training COVID and we give a

00:21:04.760 medication that's thought to work by preventing viral replication clearly it's going to work if

00:21:10.440 we give it sooner in the illness than later in the illness and if we wait till day 12 when people

00:21:14.920 are being admitted to hospital it's practically useless now when they did we're going to talk

00:21:21.880 about hydroxychloroquine for just a minute here but so we had some decent studies before um we

00:21:29.240 had uh covet arrive on our shores some in vitro um that that showed that it was effective against

00:21:36.920 for example SARS-CoV-1 and and we had other ideas we had mechanisms of actions

00:21:44.740 that might work and in a few studies that weren't really very good but we're

00:21:50.300 in a pandemic situation it's a pretty safe drug people started using it and so

00:21:56.280 we had the didier Raoul in France treating it and he did an early pilot

00:22:01.920 study which showed there's less vital replication and kind of gradually work

00:22:06.160 through the point of violence trial and error as well that if you gave it with zinc and a macromat

00:22:11.400 antibiotic it seemed to work good and we have multiple studies case studies and studies of

00:22:16.940 physicians treating sometimes thousands of patients with the medication getting good

00:22:22.080 results to the point they felt it was unethical to do a randomized control just as the penicillin

00:22:27.500 and ninja caucus would be um then we but we didn't have that gold standard we didn't have

00:22:35.160 those RCTs that that the academics and the mental health authorities really

00:22:38.980 like so that was put together that was the decision was made to do a something

00:22:47.400 on the look sorry yeah I'll get rid of that

00:22:57.480 technical difficulties please stand by it's always happening we could pay taxes

00:23:08.100 that Justin forever there we go so you know I just want to I just want to

00:23:18.700 underscore what you're saying here too because this I think frames why there

00:23:23.600 There's been so much controversy around it and so many studies that would cause people

00:23:28.900 to dismiss any of the good evidence.

00:23:32.620 Because one of the things you and I kept writing back and forth about was that when they did

00:23:38.260 give hydroxychloroquine, it was often in that late pulmonary phase.

00:23:42.500 So it was at the exact opposite.

00:23:43.880 It was almost like the last ditch effort to try to save them.

00:23:46.820 But that's not when you would give hydroxychloroquine.

00:23:50.060 the the the second thing is that you kept on saying they're doing the studies wrong first of

00:23:54.980 all they're not giving it early enough but they're also not giving it with zinc and azithromycin and

00:23:59.060 having all three of those seems to be the ticket and so I think that that's important to understand

00:24:03.920 why it is they would structure the studies that way based on do you have some observations about

00:24:08.600 why they would have done it that way well yeah so I mean if you if you talk to your average

00:24:13.820 infectious disease doctor they will say oh we've proven hydroxychlorine doesn't work and they'll

00:24:19.240 look at the recovery trial which was a they did to their credit decide we need

00:24:23.740 a big multicenter study randomized control to check all these treatments

00:24:29.080 to see what works and what doesn't and hydroxychloroquine is one of them this

00:24:32.200 was the recovery trial and they had what else up steroids like pregna zone or

00:24:37.480 a certain methyl pregnant zone IV they had remdesivir they had a few other

00:24:41.500 things but the point is I looked at that trial and I said well it can't possibly

00:24:46.480 work because the things are coming on it can't possibly work because the it's

00:25:00.760 given to too late and they're giving it to people who are sick and hospitalized

00:25:05.920 long after the viral application phase is an issue but even more so I looked at

00:25:11.440 that studying and I had to look at it several times say what are they doing

00:25:15.280 hydroxychloroquine people who use hydroxychloroquine know it has a narrow therapeutic window which

00:25:22.560 basically means if um if if you um so it has a uh you have a toxic dose and you have a dose

00:25:33.840 that um that is treated works for the treatment and that window can be wide or narrow for

00:25:41.040 penicillin it's huge you could there's a huge variance with penicillin but with um with hydroxy

00:25:47.840 chloroquine it's very narrow and i looked at the dose i said that's really high i had to go look

00:25:53.600 it up and sure enough not only it was toxic it bored it on fatal and why they were doing that

00:25:59.600 is beyond me and in fact in that study they of course showed hydro hydroxychlorine didn't work

00:26:05.680 it had a 10 higher mortality rate so then let me ask you if you have seen any studies that

00:26:11.840 are structured properly so what you've told us is that it should be given within the first five days

00:26:17.440 of diagnosis it should be given in conjunction with zinc and azithromycin it probably should

00:26:22.400 only be given to those who are at risk as well i'll let you comment on that but how many studies

00:26:27.280 have there been that have been structured properly and given it at an appropriate dose as opposed to

00:26:32.640 a fatal dose do we have any random controlled studies on that or or have all of the studies

00:26:36.880 been structured incorrectly to this date we're missing that gold standard rct that combines

00:26:44.960 zinc a macular antibiotic and was started as early in the in the course as possible and had enough

00:26:52.400 people given to ill people it's not a lot of sense in studying uh people at low risk to this

00:26:59.200 state we're missing that but there are over 100 studies showing hydroxychloroquine works

00:27:05.040 and so if you if you examine the literature and i haven't read all 100 but i've read about 30

00:27:10.080 there is a definite trend which says if you give it early with zinc and hydro and azithromycin

00:27:14.800 it seems to work it's a trend but to this day can i say for sure hydroxychloroquine works i

00:27:22.320 suspect it probably does but i couldn't say for sure okay let's go on to the next slide because

00:27:28.000 i think that this is important because as we were talking through the last year you uh were keeping

00:27:32.800 me up to speed on what the research was showing on hydroxychloroquine zinc azithromycin that three

00:27:37.920 drug mixture but then you got quite excited about ivermectin many many months ago and so i i was

00:27:45.120 waiting for that to cross over into the mainstream so that we could talk about it but you saw some

00:27:50.320 early signs that this was going to potentially be effective tell us why what was it what was

00:27:55.520 was it you were seeing so I saw a study done by a physician done in Florida in

00:28:01.160 June of last year so so quite some time ago and it was people admitted to

00:28:07.080 hospital it was retrospective and that means where you're you've got the data

00:28:11.420 and now you're looking back and it's not going to be as high quality but it's

00:28:15.680 it definitely something to listen to and it was randomized and controlled and it

00:28:20.900 did show clear benefit in people treated with hydroxychloroquine uh compared to and i mean

00:28:26.820 sorry to ivermectin compared to people who were not and it it was controlled uh and it was very

00:28:32.420 very interesting i thought at that point that this would be picked up by the nih by many other

00:28:39.140 researchers other countries and we would see a funding of multiple studies proper studies that

00:28:45.380 would get going over those months and we would start to see the data building up very quickly

00:28:51.380 of good high quality studies little did i know so so then over time um we're starting to get

00:29:02.580 more data but it's coming from countries like bangladesh and egypt and argentina

00:29:09.700 and so where are the studies done in north america where's the studies done in europe well

00:29:15.140 it's completely being ignored derek can i just ask you to to remove the banner for a minute so that

00:29:20.740 we can see all of the potential treatments that are there at the bottom so just doc quickly run

00:29:25.620 through what this graph is showing us yeah so it goes back to what we talked about the viral

00:29:30.180 replication phase versus versus the inflammatory phase so in the viral replication phase you need

00:29:36.500 in you're going to give medications that prevent viral replication um i i didn't mention remdesivir

00:29:42.820 was in the recovery trial that we talked about last slide and it showed remdesivir didn't work

00:29:48.980 but it was given again remdesivir is an antiviral and of course it didn't work anyone would know

00:29:54.340 that um yet remdesivir is the only drug approved by the fda for use in the treatment of covid

00:30:01.620 based on one one study by the company back in april that showed a slight reduction in hospital

00:30:08.660 stay no effect on mortality and we and also the solidarity trial which is the big un trial came

00:30:15.700 out a week before the fda made that announcement which again said remdesivir doesn't work

00:30:22.340 i brought that up because if we listen or if i get online and look at the docs chatting back

00:30:27.860 and forth in the states where they get remdesivir and they have lots of covid they'll all say it

00:30:32.180 does work if given in the viral application phase in fact trump got that so it's not on this list

00:30:37.300 but it could work there um so so anyway the ivermectin is there flavonoid is like quercetin

00:30:43.620 zinc vitamin c vitamin d and then in the next side that's where you have to treat the inflammation

00:30:49.860 in the cytokine storm you have to treat the blood clots and that's what all those ones are about

00:30:55.220 but it turns out it's from the data that ivermectin has anti-inflammatory effect too

00:31:00.420 so it works in both well doc let me just make sure that i'm summarizing and understanding this because

00:31:05.780 you and i've talked so much about it i want to make sure that people are are following us along

00:31:10.100 here from everything you've told me there really are two phases of this disease so the first phase

00:31:15.460 and you can see it quite clearly on this graph this first phase is this period where you want

00:31:19.860 to use antivirals to keep it from replicating and then there's sort of this later phase where you

00:31:24.900 need to have anti-inflammatories and you've talked about a cytokine storm if i understand that and

00:31:29.700 anyone who has a family member has rheumatoid arthritis or an immune disease it's your own

00:31:34.660 body attacking you at that point is that is that right is that sort of what happens in the second

00:31:39.220 phase and why you need to treat it differently if you haven't managed to stop it in the antiviral

00:31:43.460 with antivirals that that is the case your immune system is just going crazy trying to fight off

00:31:50.100 this supposed infection which is now gone but there's vital viral debris left and your body

00:31:56.260 is caught up in the crossfire now tell us why there's blood clotting and

00:32:01.940 as well tell us why you have hypoxia that's that sort of that

00:32:06.420 low oxygen in the blood what is happening there where is that in the in

00:32:09.380 the face of this disease well this covid virus is quite nasty

00:32:13.460 and it starts by as a as a lung disease but it infects

00:32:18.500 many cells in our body and there's several theories as to why this is the

00:32:21.940 case in several possible mechanisms for example there's ace2 receptors on

00:32:26.260 the lining of our blood vessels as well and if the virus can

00:32:30.580 attack the blood vessel lining and strip the cells off the exposed basement membrane underneath will

00:32:36.100 release clotting factors the virus also releases a protein that causes um platelets to aggregate

00:32:45.060 and stick together be more sticky if you have something called leaky gut and i know you've

00:32:49.940 talked about that on your show uh and like polysaccharides lps which is kind of waste

00:32:56.260 products of bacteria get released into your symptom they have uh the virus causes them to

00:33:02.260 cluster and and bind together as well which then can cause this blood clotting and it's what we

00:33:08.340 call macro thrombosis so so my micro thrombosis macro thrombosis that's when you get a blood clot

00:33:15.220 in the vein in your leg that goes to your lung micro thrombosis is where the little vessels get

00:33:19.780 plugged up and and so if you see a cat scan and someone who's has bad kovat 2 of kovat 19 that

00:33:27.700 is in fact blood clots and the microscopic blood vessels in your lungs do you know i think one of

00:33:34.740 the things that we're all struggling with is understanding who's at risk and who's not because

00:33:40.180 for the vast vast majority of people who get kovat we're seeing mild symptoms or no symptoms

00:33:46.980 for the vast vast number of people under the age of 60 who get it they recover and so it is a nasty

00:33:53.620 disease if you've got the the worst manifestation of it but what is it that makes the difference

00:34:00.260 why do some people get it and it's mild or they don't even know they have it and then other people

00:34:05.540 find themselves very quickly deteriorating hospitalized icu and and dying yeah and and a

00:34:10.740 healthy 80 year old has the same risk as someone who's 30 years younger so um so the biggest risk

00:34:16.340 factors are fatty liver, hypertension, obesity, diabetes, cardiac disease. I think I said obesity.

00:34:26.420 Anyway, those are all manifestations of hyperinsulinemia or metabolic syndrome. And of course,

00:34:33.140 we're going to get to that in a minute. The other thing, of course, very strong risk factor is

00:34:38.340 vitamin D levels. So low vitamin D increases your risk of severe COVID by a factor of 10.

00:34:44.020 And we know older people don't manufacture vitamin D as easily as younger people.

00:34:49.240 But it also turns out vitamin D is a marker for metabolic syndrome as well.

00:34:55.680 So I think that the second pandemic here is this metabolic disease.

00:35:02.120 And we actually have two pandemics.

00:35:04.780 One is COVID-19.

00:35:06.400 The other is this ongoing pandemic of hyperinsulinemia, metabolic disease, diabetes, prediabetes, whatever you want to call it.

00:35:15.660 That is where the problem lies.

00:35:17.720 Okay.

00:35:17.940 And we will talk about how you strengthen your immune system and address some of those things.

00:35:21.660 But just to explain to me some of the frustration that I have expressed and how you feel about it, too, that we so based on what we've talked about here,

00:35:31.660 if you get diagnosed and you're high risk based on some of the factors you've talked about number

00:35:37.480 one most important thing would be for the doctors to get you on some kind of antiviral so that it

00:35:42.480 doesn't replicate and yet i don't know if this has changed but it seems like the advice from

00:35:48.080 alberta health services to doctors is send your patient home tell them to drink fluids get plenty

00:35:53.300 of rest take tylenol and hope they don't have to go to hospital it doesn't seem like it's a very

00:35:57.760 robust treatment protocol considering how devastating the outcome can be can you comment on

00:36:02.560 that yeah it's very frustrating that they won't even say to take vitamin d i just don't get it

00:36:08.560 um the advice and i'll be more harsh their advice is you know hope you don't get sick enough to die

00:36:14.080 and then go to go to hospital so yeah i it is frustrating i don't understand why they won't

00:36:20.080 even acknowledge some of these things well with ivermectin there are some issues there we're

00:36:23.520 going to talk about that in a bit and i kind of understand that they're in a rock and a hard place

00:36:28.400 there but for goodness sake vitamin d uh improve your your diet um these are not hard or controversial

00:36:36.320 things we should you can make meaningful differences in your insulin level within two

00:36:41.600 weeks of changing your diet wow okay so let's go on to the next slide then because i think you're

00:36:46.400 giving some a bit of a a potential for treatment and a bit of a guidance and as you're talking

00:36:53.040 about this maybe just give people some guidance about how they should use this information because

00:36:59.760 we never i would never see that people should just self-medicate and i don't know why people

00:37:05.040 would think that they would run out and if they could find the medication do it i don't think

00:37:08.800 that's ever been the case but that's part of the reason in some cases i think why we haven't had

00:37:14.160 an honest discussion about this is because you can get various drugs online you can get them

00:37:20.320 through i mean veterinary practices have some of them but i just want to be clear like when you're

00:37:26.640 taking medication you should take it on doctor's orders and a doctor's prescription so just give

00:37:32.320 some guidance to how people should be should be using the information that you're going to go

00:37:35.600 through now a lot of the frontline docs are aware of this and are prescribing they are doing what's

00:37:42.080 called off-label prescriptions which is quite normal to do i do often the off-label prescriptions

00:37:48.960 daily i think i read one in three chemotherapy prescription treatments is off label so it's not

00:37:55.440 unusual at all for a doctor to give a blood pressure pill for a headache or birth control

00:37:59.680 for acne this is normal what's abnormal is for the first time we are being told not to use a drug

00:38:07.360 whether it's off labor or not an approved drug a drug with safety we're being told not to use it

00:38:12.000 that's unusual anyway in this slide the most of the prescriptions or most of the top drugs

00:38:17.760 or prescription regardless and so that in the anti-inflammatory phase we talked about steroids

00:38:23.200 you know radiation colchicine is a neat one it looks like it could be important to use

00:38:28.480 these are all going to be done in hospitals these are the hospital docs are probably going to give

00:38:32.080 those although colchicine could be prescribed as an outpatient before you got that sick

00:38:36.880 the xocd124 that's that israeli cancer drug it's um it's it's packaged into lysosomes which are

00:38:46.800 like basically little soap bubbles and the cd24 is known to be a very potent inhibitor of your

00:38:52.640 immune system and this is given in the late phase where you're really really sick and it's having

00:38:57.120 amazing results but it's only in phase one trials uh so it looks very promising but it it still has

00:39:03.120 some work to go uh antivirals we've talked about a lot of them i don't think we could take the time

00:39:08.880 to go through all of them then the bottom is things to have things that i have in my cupboard

00:39:14.720 you can get them all over the counter and i did start a covid treatment protocol way back in march

00:39:21.200 and pretty much morphed into something like this and it it's funny how my my plan agrees very

00:39:27.920 carefully with or very closely with the published plans we're going to see in a minute

00:39:33.200 so just run through those just so so people know because i i'm familiar with vitamin d

00:39:38.320 zinc um chris quercetin i don't know if i'm saying that right quercetin that comes from

00:39:43.520 broccoli from boy oh there you are vitamin C melatonin I'm taking that

00:39:47.520 because I can't sleep at night you and I've talked about that liposomal a

00:39:51.500 glutathione okay or an acetylcysteine which is a precursor glutathione it's a

00:39:58.580 powerful antioxidant the problem is good defines it doesn't absorb that you take

00:40:03.320 it from liposomal sources okay and then continue with the rest of that list

00:40:08.000 magnesium yeah 250 to 500 selenium selenium is if you have low steam foods out here in Alberta we

00:40:15.420 have low helium soil west of highway 2 but the farmers all know that so all the all the animals

00:40:22.220 are supplemented with it anyway side and I haven't I've been testing selenium I haven't seen low

00:40:26.600 slim in anybody so that's supposedly often it makes the list but I'm not sure how important

00:40:32.220 it is here in Alberta b6 is interesting it looks like it might be really important in

00:40:37.500 in helping your immune system work properly and famotidine is our pepsi it's

00:40:44.880 an over-the-counter anti-acid looks like it could be helpful I get people to take

00:40:49.620 that when they get sick not prophylactically aspirin we talked about

00:40:53.520 how blood clotting happens in this disease and aspirin is a very good idea

00:40:56.940 for someone's risk factors right from the get-go provided it's safe for them

00:41:01.080 to take it okay you know this I know people are gonna be frustrated by this

00:41:05.040 conversation because you've run through a lot of different

00:41:08.240 potential things that you can take to improve your immune system and yet we

00:41:11.920 never seem to talk about that at all this is the short list

00:41:15.600 there's remarkable okay so let's go let's go to this eye mask protocol

00:41:19.920 because when when ivermectin finally made it

00:41:23.920 into the mainstream hit the big time it was when dr

00:41:27.440 pierre corey and his group finally gave a presentation

00:41:31.440 to the senate and he was just pleading because he's a frontline doctor

00:41:35.120 he deals with uh with with very severe um covet patients on a daily and weekly

00:41:40.560 basis and he just wanted to get it widely known

00:41:44.480 that ivermectin could be helpful so tell us what this protocol is all about in

00:41:47.680 this imas group sure yeah this this east virginia

00:41:50.880 medical school group they had amazing success in treating

00:41:55.040 covet in their intensive care unit right back in the spring

00:41:58.320 Back when, if you went to ICU with COVID, 80% of people just didn't come out.

00:42:03.020 They were having 10% of people pass away.

00:42:06.280 90% of people were coming out of their ICU.

00:42:08.540 They were the first to use Pregnizone before anybody else did.

00:42:12.480 They said, this is an inflammatory disease.

00:42:14.380 We have to use it.

00:42:15.100 There is an intravenous vitamin C.

00:42:17.240 They were doing several things that later were kind of carried on by the mainstream.

00:42:23.720 So they were on this right from the get-go.

00:42:26.280 um dr america is the leader of the group he is the second most published author in intensive care

00:42:34.440 in critical care uh he literally is well no one writes a book by themselves these days but he

00:42:41.100 literally wrote the book with help on critical care every book every critical care doctor knows

00:42:47.100 who he is um these this group there's a six of them they've published 200 papers so these are

00:42:53.760 They're not lightweight people.

00:42:55.600 They know what they're doing.

00:42:57.000 They've treated thousands of COVID patients in their intensive care, a thousand.

00:43:01.500 And they were having success, and they thought, we have to bring our treatment outside of

00:43:06.000 the ICU.

00:43:07.000 They got onto Ivermectin back in September.

00:43:10.160 They started looking at the data, and it started to grow, and they started to say, you know,

00:43:13.000 this looks really good.

00:43:15.440 And they finally got to the point where they said, there's enough there.

00:43:17.440 It's a very safe drug.

00:43:18.440 We've got to start using it.

00:43:19.820 they use it and started having even more success they we've got to share this with everybody

00:43:23.980 and that's kind of how they got to that point so this this imask protocol they put out

00:43:31.900 i don't know uh sometime in the fall like it was november for sure maybe october and there was

00:43:37.260 another one that came out in in august i've got that the next slide just to do that yeah

00:43:41.420 yeah so that this is a published paper published peer-reviewed august it's in the literature dr

00:43:47.100 Peter McCulley and again it's all very similar you'll see right in the middle

00:43:51.420 there Ivermectin is right there and is can we see that slide I think you just

00:43:55.680 had the two of us on I think the docs moved on to the next slide yeah perfect

00:43:59.040 yeah Ivermectin right there and and we don't need to spend a lot of time on it

00:44:04.320 but the point is is there is published treatments out there there it's not like

00:44:09.360 there's nothing to do and most of them are extremely safe vitamin D extremely

00:44:14.360 safe we're gonna talk about that a bit more too so ivermectin it's been around

00:44:20.060 for decades it's absolutely perfectly safe the only side effects we ever see

00:44:24.980 is when because it is an anti parasite drug and you give to people with

00:44:29.680 parasites the die-off of the parasites makes them say billions of doses have

00:44:34.040 been prescribed worldwide billions and we just don't see problems with it well

00:44:39.800 that's I think important because Merck disavowed ivermectin very shortly after

00:44:45.080 this came about and so go through a little bit just I know you've got a

00:44:48.800 number of slides here on ivermectin why don't we just sit through that because

00:44:51.540 part of this shows that we've got random controlled studies on these and the the

00:44:56.900 fact that there is credible research on it and so I just wanted people to be

00:45:01.860 able to see that there's a right yeah go ahead just get back I was at the Merck

00:45:07.600 statement but okay so here here's a meta-analysis this is top-tier data this

00:45:12.040 is those that research are taking the studies and put him all into one big

00:45:15.820 gigantic study and this one was done by a dr. Laurie she is a PhD researcher in

00:45:21.460 the England and this is what she does for living is she does meta-analysis and

00:45:26.140 she got wind of dr. course testimony to Congress which anybody can watch it's

00:45:32.360 quite compelling or if you want to see the press conference just go to YouTube

00:45:36.780 search flccc and you'll see their press conference but anyway so she said i'm gonna look at these

00:45:42.140 studies and i'm gonna do a meta-analysis and and she did um and this is a busy slide don't pay

00:45:49.900 attention to much of it i just want you to see on the very right hand side this line coming down

00:45:55.100 half three quarters of the way down with the one at the bottom anything to the left of this line

00:46:00.380 is clinically significant anything to the right is not and the black dots are the where the study

00:46:07.340 falls with the error bars going to the sides and i want you to notice the three studies where the

00:46:13.020 line crosses to the non-significant side but they show clear um clear um tendency to positive effect

00:46:23.580 but they because of it could be they didn't have enough participants they um it there's a lot of

00:46:29.500 reasons why you have a wide margin of error uh but to say that there's no effect i think you'd

00:46:37.340 have to say well maybe there was okay well and uh let's leave that one so dr laurie the papers

00:46:44.300 that she wrote i it's quite long i can't recall it it was like 50 or 60 pages but this is one

00:46:49.820 thing i picked out ivermectin prophylaxis among healthcare workers in covet 19 contacts probably

00:46:55.260 reduces risk of infection by 88 percent now let's let's make sure that we're that we're clear on

00:47:01.660 what it means to be uh take it as a prophylaxis because that is also really significant for our

00:47:07.420 health care workers because one of the things we keep on getting told is that we have a limited

00:47:11.580 number of health care workers that can treat covet patients and it's part of the reason we've got to

00:47:15.580 keep the pressure off the hospital system but if you can have a drug that they can take and it

00:47:21.580 would prevent them from developing the symptoms that that's kind of that would be significant

00:47:28.140 is that what a prophylaxis is or tell us yeah yeah prophylaxis would be a medicine you take before you

00:47:33.020 got sick to prevent you from getting sick or if you do get sick prevent you from being terribly ill

00:47:37.420 and so this by saying that 88 reduce the risk of infection when you look at that number what do you

00:47:43.980 what do you say i i think that's quite stunning if you could this is nasty disease if you can

00:47:48.940 reduce it by 88 holy smokes you're cooking with gas there that's really good and and again down

00:47:55.980 you could look at the the bars and the the air bars and all those are to the to the left which

00:48:00.380 means they're all clinically significant the problem is the quality of these studies is is

00:48:04.620 not as good a lot of them won't be blinded they won't be randomized but again we're going to get

00:48:11.260 to that in a minute too but it's quite stunning and of course we study healthcare workers because

00:48:16.460 they're so easy to study okay um and this is the conclusion of her paper ivermectin is an essential

00:48:24.060 drug to reduce mortality morbidity in covid19 and the second statement very important placebo

00:48:29.580 controlled trials of ivermectin treatment among people with covid19 infection are no longer

00:48:35.500 ethical wow so that goes back to the point that you were making you can't do a random

00:48:40.380 blind control random to controlled study blind on on smoking or on the use of penicillin in the

00:48:46.700 treatment of certain drugs because it would be unethical to allow people to get the disease and

00:48:50.540 die without the treatment yeah okay now here's another meta-analysis this was done by a group of

00:48:56.700 doctors here in alberta and i think was at the uh direction of the government i'm not actually sure

00:49:02.380 of that um and they came to a different conclusion reviewing pretty much the same studies so here

00:49:09.260 here's their key findings and i want you most it's too busy to go through it all but uh key

00:49:13.420 point number three with respect to ivermectin's ability to treat people with cova 19 seven studies

00:49:19.900 that had a control group um reported the effect of ivermectin on death or reported an effective

00:49:28.460 death report for cova 19. four studies showed deaths from cova 19 were down while three studies

00:49:34.940 showed deaths from covid19 were not affected look at those words not affected what's the

00:49:42.300 implication for you well here it is there's the three studies this this study right here

00:49:49.660 missed clinical significance by two one thousands of a point so clinical significance is a p-value of

00:49:57.020 0.05 now if you take that and invert it you get 20 which what it means is that if you do that study

00:50:04.860 20 times it will be positive 19 out of 20 times you'll get one false positive that's

00:50:10.300 what clinical significant means so in effect what this is saying is that this arbitrary rule of

00:50:16.140 0.05 and this was 0.052 that this this one would be something like if you did the study 29 times

00:50:24.460 18.9 times it would be um positive so so when i leave this back in here and they and they just

00:50:33.020 simply let me say we're not affected I go did you guys just want it to fail you

00:50:39.740 know any anyway they're technically correct that they're following the

00:50:44.700 science they're strict strict science people and this is what they do that

00:50:49.740 doesn't make sense to the a regular person right that you would have two

00:50:53.720 different teams look at the same information and one comes to the

00:50:57.800 conclusion that it would be unethical not to give this treatment because the

00:51:03.500 evidence is so strong and then for this other group to essentially come to the

00:51:07.340 opposite conclusion that's confusing to the public it's confusing to me but so

00:51:12.840 that's why now remember I've over time read the vast majority of these studies

00:51:17.040 so I've got I've been through them all and and I've I see them and look at their

00:51:21.900 biases and uh i think what compelling things are this every study shows effect maybe a few don't

00:51:28.860 clinical show clinical significance but everyone shows effect they all seem to work some quite

00:51:34.380 stunningly so and again i'm going to show you some of those in in a moment here and

00:51:39.820 you know hydroxychloroquine it didn't you know it it had effect we thought in many studies but

00:51:45.580 it wasn't nearly as strong of a signal as as as ivermectin and um that dr laurie she did say it

00:51:55.740 a moderate confidence so she didn't say high confidence she said moderate which means i'm

00:52:00.300 pretty sure it's good but i'm not that sure the studies you know those gold standard studies

00:52:05.020 haven't been done so in fairness she did say that but then she made the same conclusion i did is

00:52:09.660 that you know we're not treating acne here we're treating a serious disease that's caused widespread

00:52:15.500 problems and mega issues right that this is one of the worst things just the

00:52:20.040 response to the virus is one of the worst things going and if we had any

00:52:23.900 kind of hope of treating it that looked like it worked pretty good that was

00:52:27.520 super safe that seemed to have no side effects at all and and with the evidence

00:52:32.180 I'm just about to show you well I think what I'd like to do is ask the

00:52:35.680 researchers who did this if your mother your spouse or even you were sitting in

00:52:40.400 hospital on day seven of illness short of breath

00:52:43.760 on oxygen and a doc came by with a bottle of ivermectin what would you do

00:52:48.320 having read all these studies because that way you might get a different

00:52:51.680 answer so just so i'm clear what makes ivermectin so unique

00:52:55.600 is it can be used as a prophylaxis so in that one study you showed us 88

00:53:00.640 of the healthcare workers who took it did not develop the infection

00:53:04.480 it can be used in the early stages as an antiviral

00:53:07.600 so that you don't end up with the replication and it can be even used in the later stages as an

00:53:12.080 anti-inflammatory so that you don't end up deteriorating onto the worst condition so it

00:53:16.080 can be used at all three phases all three phases all obviously the sooner you use it the better it

00:53:20.640 works okay so what are you showing us here so this is a study done in egypt and what they did is they

00:53:27.280 had people who had covet 19 and they gave ivermectin to all the household contacts

00:53:32.160 it's just that simple and then they did that for several months and this is the

00:53:36.780 data now they you know your your classic academic research will say well this

00:53:43.380 study had lots of potential confounders it wasn't blinded and and and you know

00:53:47.640 it but then look at the effect to tell explain explain this for people who

00:53:51.980 aren't used to what you because you're saying this is really dramatic what

00:53:54.620 what stands out for you so the of the of the households where the people were

00:53:59.220 given ivermectin only 7.4 percent of the household contacts to the positive patient came down with

00:54:05.700 with covet 19. of the households who did not get the ivermectin over half of the contacts in that

00:54:11.940 house had covet 19. that's that's to me that's quite dramatic okay uh mexico so these are states

00:54:22.660 in mexico and it turned out that one state for various reasons decided that they were going to

00:54:28.580 mass supply ivermectin and so what happened is we go from no ivermectin to uh i can't remember

00:54:36.100 exactly uh when yeah it was august first sorry it was august first and you can see that the the

00:54:41.700 deaths this is mortality the deaths dropped by 80 90 percent uh peru so a busy graph but let me

00:54:50.500 explain it's quite easy just look at the red lines which is mortality and then look at the the shaded

00:54:55.700 area um before the red line peaks in the shaded area and the white area after the red line peaks

00:55:01.060 the wet that line whether it turns from shade to white is the day that nasa ivermectin was

00:55:06.020 started to be given to that population in that state and in lima peru they didn't get it and

00:55:12.500 they had a totally different curve that it was it was a totally different no no connection uh

00:55:18.980 clearly this is good evidence that okay there's something there all right so so this is an

00:55:23.860 interesting study of healthcare workers again it goes back to my idea that you

00:55:27.820 don't necessarily have to have randomized controlled studies before you

00:55:30.560 pay attention so this is done on 1200 healthcare workers in Argentina 400 of

00:55:36.460 them were not given the ivermectin 800 were given ivermectin also with the

00:55:41.500 carrageenan which we had in one slide but anyway they're given ivermectin and

00:55:45.180 carrageenan first thing the research will say well that's two confounders

00:55:48.280 that's no good you know they won't like that but anyway that's what they're

00:55:51.340 given meaning you can't tell which one is the one that's having the therapeutic

00:55:55.840 effect however a two months later they three months later they look at the

00:56:02.020 results and of the 800 healthcare workers who were given ivermectin none

00:56:06.520 zero came down with kovat of the 400 who were not given ivermectin 258 well over

00:56:14.620 half came down with kovat wow no tell me what kind of a study is that because

00:56:19.480 that's not a random controlled study but what yes that would be called a

00:56:23.020 prospective cohort study and is there just tell us the drawbacks of that why

00:56:29.260 would that not be persuasive to decision makers so it's not blinded that the

00:56:34.300 people who who get the ivermectin know they're getting the people who don't get

00:56:37.600 the ivermectin know they're not getting it it's possible that the people who

00:56:42.080 didn't take the ivermectin didn't want it and refused to take it for specific

00:56:45.880 reasons maybe they thought they were healthier and didn't need it or that

00:56:50.680 maybe they're adverse to taking medications you know there's all sorts

00:56:53.940 of possible confounders but if we had got results where you know 200 of the

00:56:58.420 ivermectin got COVID and 210 didn't or well put out the percentage but if you

00:57:04.140 know I mean if we got much closer results okay but when you get zero and

00:57:08.920 over half I got it I'm gonna pay attention to that no kidding go on to

00:57:14.260 next one because then i want to get to why merck disavowed their drug sure so this is just to show

00:57:19.780 that a week after the alberta review study came out the nih came out and said well we're going to

00:57:30.500 be neutral on ivermectin so they're not they're not going to either disavow they're not going to

00:57:35.300 recommend or not recommend against ivermectin they're saying we're neutral so use at your

00:57:39.940 discretion basically is what they're saying to the doctor tell us the significance of that doc

00:57:44.180 because as you mentioned before you used to be able to use any range of drugs off label if you

00:57:50.100 felt it was going to be effective but this crisis was different you you essentially got an edict

00:57:56.180 not to use certain drugs so i guess neutrality is better than being told no you can't do it but what

00:58:01.860 do you think is happening here with this statement well that that'll lead perfectly into the next

00:58:06.500 slide. Perfect. So this is the Merck statement on ivermectin where they've come out basically say

00:58:12.440 no scientific basis for potential therapeutics for use against COVID-19, no meaningful evidence

00:58:18.380 for clinical activity or clinical efficacy for getting those 50 studies, a concerning lack of

00:58:24.300 safety data in the majority of studies, considering it's their drug and they've given it free to

00:58:29.820 billions of people in Africa to treat river blindness. And they're saying their question

00:58:34.940 about safety you know that there's something funny about this right there is something funny about it

00:58:38.460 and i want to just sort of delve into that a little bit more because i remember um when this

00:58:42.940 came out i was when they first um indicated they were dropping their vaccine and we'll get into

00:58:48.620 vaccines in a minute they said a couple of things they said we're going to focus on therapeutics

00:58:54.860 um and also our vaccine doesn't have the same success rate as some of the others so that's why

00:59:00.220 we're shifting gears to focus on therapeutics and so i thought great now we're going to hear see that

00:59:05.820 they're going to mass produce ivermectin and then bang this statement came out and it seemed to be

00:59:10.940 totally at odds if they're offering a drug and as you say three billion people have used it to treat

00:59:17.900 parasites we should also say one more thing about ivermectin it's received a nobel prize right

00:59:22.380 yes no no yes it did uh for treating river blindness yes so so that but that seems to

00:59:30.220 that seems to enforce the idea that it is a safe drug if three billion people have used it

00:59:35.260 um so just explain what's going on well it's only pennies a pill and it's not non-patentable

00:59:41.020 so it can't be it can't be that no no no like please tell me that's not the case that well

00:59:46.700 that because it's so cheap and because it's so generic and because anyone can make it please

00:59:51.260 tell me that that you wouldn't have pharmaceutical companies disavowing it

00:59:55.180 for that reason that that's I'll tell you the story and then you can decide

00:59:59.180 for yourself so please work acquired a company for 420 million dollars

01:00:03.840 dedicated to over treatment so yeah as you heard they're going into that they

01:00:07.300 got three and a half three hundred and fifty million dollars from the

01:00:10.040 government to research kovat they've produced a promising therapy it's called

01:00:15.020 c24fc in term results say 50 reduction in mortality so that looks okay that's great right

01:00:23.500 um so how could they dismiss 50 plus studies that supposedly show no evidence

01:00:29.660 so merck made vioxx i don't know if you recall vioxx it was about 20 years ago it was an

01:00:34.380 anti-inflammatory drug that came out but the big deal about it is it didn't cause stomach ulcers

01:00:40.140 but after it had been out for several years it was withdrawn because it became clear it was

01:00:44.620 causing people mostly men to die of heart attacks and in fact it's estimated somewhere between 150

01:00:50.380 000 you mean up to 500 000 men or what people women too were killed by this drug from heart

01:00:57.660 attacks so murk was sued and in the examination of discovery it turns out they knew about this

01:01:05.340 they saw it in their data and it turns out their bean cutters uh bean counters i should say

01:01:12.140 decided that they were still going to make more money from the payments they're going to have to

01:01:15.900 make the lawsuits then the so that was they went ahead with it and they didn't tell anybody so

01:01:21.740 it's one thing to put out a drug that causes a problem but it's the other thing to put out a

01:01:25.500 drug you know causes a problem and not tell anybody because that's called a felony so tie

01:01:31.580 this back then to ivermectin right so um you know this criminal behavior in in the pharmaceutical

01:01:39.580 company goes on but the drug companies like pfizer glaxos sanofi merck they paid out 30 billion

01:01:47.180 dollars in fines and settlements in in uh uh various compensations they false they're you

01:01:54.060 know convicted of falsifying data falsifying defrauding regulators defrauding insurance

01:01:58.460 all criminal no one goes to jail though they just pay a fine wow so they seem to control the whole

01:02:04.620 process uh if you are if you're in this i need to risk most to the server we decide a drug company

01:02:13.500 it's a company so they decide what study's been done what's going to be published what's good

01:02:17.980 oh this one's not very promising we're going to drop it before it gets anywhere who the researchers

01:02:21.580 are there they fund the journals so most of the journals depend on that their lifeline is

01:02:26.540 advertising from these drug companies so let me just draw two connections then if i could so

01:02:32.060 one thing that i'm a bit perplexed by is that all of these new vaccines i mean it seems like we're

01:02:38.300 holding therapeutic remedies to a standard up here and we're not holding these brand new mrna

01:02:46.700 vaccines to the same standard that's confusing to me but also on the issue of liability um there's

01:02:53.260 blanket liability that is offered to these companies on vaccines so that if there's an

01:02:58.140 adverse effect that they don't get sued into oblivion so why wouldn't there be

01:03:02.540 some similar indemnification for a therapeutic drug so that you could treat

01:03:07.140 those people who got ill prior to the vaccine being available like there seems

01:03:12.120 to be two two different approaches with these and I can't square the two of it

01:03:17.280 the two of them for can you well first of all for a therapeutic drug being

01:03:21.720 prescribed off-label it's on the doctor doing the prescribing and I have

01:03:25.380 insurance okay so if I prescribe ivermectin Merck is not liable in any

01:03:31.200 way at all and for for a treatment that's not a soft label so that so

01:03:36.700 that's that's the bottom line to that question so then why would they bother

01:03:42.240 issuing a statement about not about about safety it had the read of the we

01:03:49.320 people are now interested in this they're prescribing it we better get the

01:03:52.620 lawyers to to to draft up some language that we can be covered from legal

01:03:57.680 liability or is it the other side is it a 50 cent pill doesn't generate as much

01:04:03.120 money as a $30 vaccine or a $420 specialized therapeutic treatment which

01:04:09.240 is I think what the going prices for remdesivir like is this is that what it

01:04:13.140 comes down to it seems so it's so that the thought leaders are paid by the drug

01:04:19.500 companies, they're the ones, when I go to medical conferences, they're the ones standing up there

01:04:23.080 telling me what to do. They're the ones educating me on the latest treatments and such.

01:04:30.080 In the news media, you'll know this, in the news media, the television news media down in the

01:04:35.740 States, was it 60% of CNN's funding comes from pharmaceutical companies? I think I read that.

01:04:41.500 um so political campaigns you know obama i think spent a billion dollars to get elected how much of

01:04:49.880 that came from pharmaceutical companies they are by far the biggest contributors to political

01:04:53.760 campaigns pay twice as much as anybody else they have tons of lobbyists um google do they have a

01:05:00.780 big deal with google they're um buying data from google for an exorbitant amount of money but

01:05:06.700 But we're to the point now, if you say anything that is contrary to the interests of a drug

01:05:15.100 company or even perceived as so, it will get transported on Google down to the third page.

01:05:21.700 Or it will get a warning, this has misinformation in it.

01:05:26.280 So, Doc, let me tell you how I'm looking at this.

01:05:29.380 The way I look at it is that COVID or SARS-CoV-2 seems to be manifesting itself similar

01:05:37.380 to influenza.

01:05:38.680 And we know that influenza does not have a perfect vaccination rate and there's some

01:05:43.140 vaccine hesitancy and you don't end up with a perfect population with 100% vaccination.

01:05:50.040 But we also have Tamiflu.

01:05:51.640 So it strikes me that therapeutics and vaccines are two streams of income for a company.

01:05:58.640 doesn't make sense like sure by all means pursue your vaccine but also you know that people are

01:06:04.960 going to get sick so make sure therapeutics are available and if there's a cheap one that you can

01:06:10.000 use right now great if there's something that you can patent that has a better outcome great like

01:06:16.080 it doesn't strike me that there would be any reason why these streams of research can't be

01:06:20.880 going on at the same time so i feel like i'm still missing something well what what would a pennies

01:06:26.080 per dose pill that's 90 effective due to my vaccine would probably create some vaccine

01:06:33.200 hesitancy people would say why do i need it or especially if we were using it long before

01:06:38.480 those vaccines let's say it really worked as good as we think and we're giving it to all the people

01:06:43.040 in nursing homes and we we get through this pandemic the same way we do every other way

01:06:48.080 way which is develop natural herd immunity yeah it might create vaccine hesitancy but it certainly

01:06:53.280 would reduce the the want or need for a vaccine absolutely it would okay um let's continue on

01:06:59.700 because i'm going to get you to comment on on politics i think your next slide has something

01:07:03.480 to do with because you know can i tell you doc this is the thing i find really frustrating

01:07:08.960 is i have you as a resource and you've been giving me this information all the way throughout

01:07:14.780 the year and we've we've put as much on the air as we possibly could but within the limitations

01:07:19.940 that we've just talked about.

01:07:21.280 There's a lot of nervousness

01:07:22.660 about talking about these therapies.

01:07:24.760 But why do no politicians

01:07:26.580 seem to get this information?

01:07:28.320 What is, like, we have to sort of

01:07:30.320 try to understand what the gatekeeping role

01:07:32.320 is of the medical profession

01:07:34.260 in preventing politicians from understanding

01:07:36.380 that some of these remedies are available.

01:07:38.040 And you can either comment on that now

01:07:39.880 or we can comment on it later.

01:07:41.280 But that's the thing that I found very frustrating

01:07:43.180 is that it seems like there's one medical view,

01:07:46.560 it's the official view,

01:07:48.240 no one's allowed to challenge it,

01:07:49.940 and there isn't the full broad range of discussion going on so that makes me very nervous about your

01:07:54.180 profession that there's that kind of gatekeeping of information it seems like that's the world and

01:07:58.740 it seems like my profession's been captured by the pharmaceutical company and to a large degree

01:08:02.980 i believe that's true and and the who the who gets 50 of its funding from big pharma cdc nih

01:08:11.380 the american heart association right so why is the pharmaceutical companies even allowed to give

01:08:18.580 any money to the fda or any you know why because they're supposed to regulate them it just makes

01:08:23.220 no sense good point all right let's go on to our next slide okay so this is the oh you know what i

01:08:32.500 wanted to ask you on this one because i had you on the show it's sort of funny because someone

01:08:35.780 reminded me of this when um when i when the cases were subsiding and they've dropped off dramatically

01:08:42.260 i i keep every week i keep posting here's the hysterical predictions that the health minister

01:08:48.100 said that we would have 10 000 cases per day in alberta and 3 500 in hospital within six weeks

01:08:54.180 well we're part way through week five and as you've seen the hospitalizations are at somewhere

01:08:59.540 between 250 to 270 um of which i think about 50 are in icu and the daily case count is anywhere

01:09:07.700 between 300 and 500 very very low nowhere near what the computer model projections were but uh

01:09:14.980 you were on the show and you you talked about um sort of viral seasons how they peak at a certain

01:09:20.500 time and then they subside and someone reminded me saying you had that doctor on who said that

01:09:24.660 it was probably going to subside by mid-february so so tell us what you saw that all of the advisors

01:09:30.900 around the premier didn't see right and and our best wishes to those people in hospital and icu

01:09:36.580 for sure yes um yeah so so this is the graph of data cases and as you can see clearly anyone who

01:09:43.380 who looks at the sea I get December 4th it cleared I even got it marked there

01:09:46.320 December 4th anyone looks at this can see that so how did I how did I know

01:09:52.440 these things so so back in the spring I didn't really know much about pandemics

01:09:58.500 or epidemics so I thought I'd better read so I found this book by Edgar Hope

01:10:02.700 Simpson the transmission of epidemic influenza and he was a fellow he I think

01:10:08.280 he actually was alive during the 1918 flu and he wrote this book in the 90s he

01:10:13.320 kind of as well i think it was in his 80s when he wrote the book and what was amazing to me was how

01:10:19.480 complicated uh these pandemics uh viral pandemics are and how little we really understand about them

01:10:26.040 uh how they're seasonal and in the northern hemisphere they seem to peak uh you know in

01:10:31.000 the winter or early spring in the um subtropical states like southern united states it seems to

01:10:37.640 peak in in the summer like july and august and it moves down to south america and and hits them in

01:10:44.040 their winter um and they would all of a sudden just flare up it's almost like the virus was

01:10:50.600 sleeping in the population and something triggered and all of a sudden we had all these cases

01:10:54.760 you couldn't possibly explain it by the virus being introduced to a an area and then gradually

01:11:00.280 growing it's like it just sprung out of nowhere we don't know why that happens but we know it does

01:11:06.280 and so when we see these pandemic curves they're classic and they're generally you're going to get

01:11:11.400 an up generally lasting six to eight weeks it peaks and it goes down it it's pretty much without fail

01:11:17.480 you could get a longer one if you're in a really heavily densely populated area like say you're in

01:11:22.680 london it's like each borough has to get it so it could stretch it out but reliably you're going to

01:11:27.480 get a six to eight week up and then starting on the way down one of the things i wanted to ask you

01:11:32.600 to is since it moves around is there some place we should be looking to as an early warning of

01:11:41.000 what we're in for i mean would we can can i look at what's happening in in british columbia and do

01:11:48.260 they peak earlier than us is south dakota the measure that we should look at should we look

01:11:52.080 at what's happening in europe is there anywhere that you looked and said aha this is likely what

01:11:56.860 we're going to experience in albert is it is it maybe it's not that where so tell me well i looked

01:12:01.920 around at places that seem to be ahead of us. There's no way to predict who will be ahead of

01:12:06.100 you, but I looked around at places that were ahead of us. So I looked, first of all, before that,

01:12:12.680 this is the blue line is mortality in Florida. The red line is California. And you see Governor

01:12:20.680 DeSantis up there, and it was on September 26th. He got a second opinion. So he got Michael Leavitt,

01:12:26.640 Nobel laureate he got Jay Bhattacharya um Harvard epidemiology PhD medical doctor and other and

01:12:35.200 they pitched the case very similar to what we're talking about in a few minutes here

01:12:40.560 and um he liked the government what he saw so the next day he basically

01:12:45.600 ended the lockdown restrictions he he still they didn't do it didn't go to do nothing i

01:12:50.160 think it's really important they you hear that letter rip and and that's that's the other side

01:12:55.600 arguing to me they don't have a good argument for your questions so they have to denigrate you

01:13:00.640 somehow but that that letter rip comment is simply not fair and you can see that there's not the

01:13:06.320 slightest quiver in that mortality curve not nothing it didn't make any difference at all

01:13:12.080 now they are comparing with california and i think that's unfair you want to be really careful about

01:13:17.040 comparing specific countries specific states and provinces because there's lots of reasons why

01:13:22.960 one place will have more mortality than another place i think

01:13:26.160 uh on a wider area you can but on individual things you've got to be very

01:13:30.800 careful about comparing well and i accept that but i think one

01:13:34.560 of the things that those who want to propose

01:13:37.600 lockdowns will will do is they'll look at data and they'll say aha

01:13:41.840 lockdowns work they're the only answer doing anything other

01:13:45.600 otherwise is irresponsible and i don't know all the reasons

01:13:49.200 why viruses rise and fall i mean i have probably a list of 10 or 15 things i could imagine

01:13:54.880 but is there anything that you look to to say definitively one way or the other yes we should

01:14:00.960 lock down or no we shouldn't is that i mean this graph seems to suggest that because california was

01:14:04.640 a big lockdown state right well you can see here i put this on here just to say that you cannot

01:14:09.760 perceive any difference from the lockdown or without the lockdown there's no perceivable

01:14:13.040 difference or with mass without mass so so studies have been done there's there's several now there's

01:14:19.360 at least 30 studies that it's not hard to find them and that they they took real real world data

01:14:25.600 so they're taking the countries the data from the last year they're looking at countries locked down

01:14:30.320 early late hard soft didn't lock down at all and they looked for an association to mortality just

01:14:36.400 like this graph and there was there's no significant mortation association to

01:14:41.560 lockdowns and mortality and what it appears is that the heavy lifting is

01:14:46.540 done just by the basic hand-washing stay home if you're sick social distancing

01:14:50.980 those kind of measures seem to be what's doing the trick and the lockdowns seem

01:14:55.240 to add very little if anything and that's what the real world that data

01:14:58.880 shows and and we'll get into that in a bit but what I did is I just looked at

01:15:05.140 states right on the northern border so right below us I looked at all these

01:15:09.580 states here and it was kind of interesting because you could see

01:15:12.760 Illinois is locked they peaked November 13th Michigan November 20th on

01:15:20.580 Minnesota November 14th Montana November 14th North Dakota November 14th so so

01:15:28.000 you look at all these graphs and then you understand where my head is get to

01:15:33.620 bit more yet but where i had is that fully locking down just doesn't do any better than the measures

01:15:38.820 we had in november we had i was really happy with doc with premium kenny when he was at the end of

01:15:45.140 november saying you know personal responsibility that's what works people are going to do their

01:15:49.540 part we they know what to do we just have to keep the course and so disappointed we came out a week

01:15:56.180 later like it was about december 7th i think and he said we have to lock down and there's going to

01:16:00.500 be 4 000 people in hospital right and so he said we're going to lock down on december 13th

01:16:07.860 a lockdown can't have any effect really any perceivable effect for at least two weeks so

01:16:12.020 now we're in between christmas and new year's and if you see those two dips that's christmas and

01:16:16.580 new year so in between there before the lockdown could have had any effect at all i don't know i

01:16:22.100 look at that grass can you see any effect that the lockdown had on cases no and if he'd been looking

01:16:26.980 at the graphs you showed us about all of those northern states they were a couple of weeks ahead

01:16:31.460 he could have reasonably foreseen that that we were really close to peaking right so so i have

01:16:36.980 this i have this idea that uh these they peak in ten six to eight weeks i i see these northern

01:16:43.940 states have already peaked and of course three weeks later or december 7th i kind of look at

01:16:48.180 those and it's now we're three weeks you know it's easy to see um it's easy to see three weeks later

01:16:54.900 so that would be right there gee for sure it's peaked and come down so it's not it's is it a

01:17:00.900 stretch for me to evade no view on you know early december saying we've peaked and that the lockdown

01:17:08.000 is a waste of time and it's quite distressing to me that the people advising premier kenny

01:17:13.020 because it's not his fault it's the people advising him the people advising him i i think

01:17:18.460 just got to him and but they were not just wrong they were wrong in the opposite direction

01:17:23.740 right maybe he needs to get a second opinion as well oh i've said that to him definitely and i

01:17:30.200 should mention because that's what ron de santis did when he turned the uh the when he turned when

01:17:35.840 he shifted he actually held and i think you sent me the link to it a full one hour education

01:17:42.700 session with those three doctors who are signatories to the great barrington declaration

01:17:47.700 and he got them publicly to walk him through the data which allowed him to bring the public along

01:17:53.480 with them. And I always felt like Jason, the premier should do the same thing. But Doc, the

01:17:58.860 variants, the variants are going to get us now. Didn't you hear that they could just all of a

01:18:05.380 sudden slingshot out of control? Don't look at the data. It's not the empirical data we need to

01:18:11.340 look at because something could happen. And as whether it's Teresa Tam, Dr. Teresa Tam saying

01:18:18.080 it's going to slingshot up to 20,000 cases per day within six weeks, or whether it was our own

01:18:23.400 health ministers saying 10,000 cases per day within six weeks. They have the same talking

01:18:28.620 points. They've got the same computer modelers. Why doesn't this make sense?

01:18:33.120 And the same thing happened in Ontario as well. It's because they're models. And models only work

01:18:38.440 as good as the data you put in. And models are always wrong. It's really just a matter of how

01:18:43.880 far out they are. Real world data, empirical data always trumps models. It's models. The

01:18:52.200 consistent thing about the models is how consistently wrong they've been right

01:18:56.700 from day one that that first empirical college model that sent England to their

01:19:02.140 lockdown because they were going to do more of a of a you know personal

01:19:06.660 responsibility thing and yet they keep the the models came out and said there's 1.00

01:19:10.440 gonna be oh ten or twenty months ten or twenty times more deaths than that she

01:19:14.520 turned out to be so these models have been wrong you can't rely on them we

01:19:19.740 shouldn't rely on them so there must be something that the premier is persuaded by i mean i think he

01:19:26.380 follows the united kingdom very closely and so he must be persuaded that something went completely

01:19:32.060 out of control in the uk or south africa what what's the other side of that argument just give

01:19:37.100 give me your best stab at trying to understand why why these variants may be the threat that

01:19:42.380 the government is telling us well of course prima kenny's in an impossible situation

01:19:46.620 there's no decision he can make that people aren't going to die it's very

01:19:52.000 difficult I really quite feel for but for this graph you see here to be

01:19:57.600 plausible you have to have a completely new or have to have completely have

01:20:03.540 these variants to completely be able to evade prior immunity obtained by prior

01:20:10.020 covet infections so so my premise here is that we're approaching herd immunity and again i go

01:20:17.620 back to that book by edgar hope simpson you get a first wave you get a second wave and occasionally

01:20:24.180 in the next season you'll get a mild third wave but by the time you're done the second wave

01:20:28.420 you're approaching herd immunity and uh i i just picked this out it was an uh opinion piece

01:20:36.340 with you know backed by some science by uh a physician uh markey but he said um the consistent

01:20:45.140 and rapid decline in daily cases since january 8th now he's talking about the united states of

01:20:49.300 course we started in december can be explained only by natural immunity and i totally agree with

01:20:54.420 that the the only thing that explains this is natural immunity and because it's the second wave

01:21:05.700 we know we're approaching herd immunity which is the only way pandemics end whether that

01:21:10.740 herd immunity is obtained by vaccine or by naturally acquired immunity that's the only way

01:21:15.540 pandemics end let's let me go delve into this a bit because you introduced me to this concept

01:21:21.300 early on as well and it seems to be a factor and it must be a factor in these mrna vaccines

01:21:28.020 is that there's two types of ways that our body develops immunity one is by the development of

01:21:33.140 antibodies we've we've been talking for months about oh there's not a strong enough reaction

01:21:39.380 in the body to develop antibodies and that's why um you you you aren't protected if you do end up

01:21:46.180 getting covid uh or sars-cov-2 but there is also this other aspect of t-cell immunity that people

01:21:53.700 are talking about and and i the way i understand that is that your body has two defense systems so

01:21:58.900 if you've been introduced to a virus that is similar

01:22:03.220 to SARS-CoV-2, maybe SARS-CoV-1, maybe another coronavirus,

01:22:07.140 you actually have some memory in your t-cells that have

01:22:10.740 that know how to fight that. That's how I sort of think about it. Can you just

01:22:14.260 sort of link these two things together? Because

01:22:16.500 otherwise we're going to be terrorized by variants until the cows come home

01:22:20.100 because any time a new variant comes about

01:22:22.340 we're going to think oh my gosh this is novel, it's brand new, and it can race

01:22:25.540 through the population. Here's another computer model to show

01:22:28.340 exactly why we're scared tell me what t-cell immunity is and and whether you think this is

01:22:32.740 a factor here absolutely so yeah t-cells and antibodies are two of many potent weapons your

01:22:39.540 immune system has against foreign invaders so t-cells it's a live cell and it's got sensors

01:22:45.620 on its cell wall and it's looking for a signal that something's not right it it seems to know

01:22:52.260 how to tell the difference between what belongs in your body and what doesn't and if it finds

01:22:57.220 something that doesn't belong it attacks it it has uh chemicals it puts out that basically like

01:23:03.060 acidifying eat whatever it's it's sticking to it can engulf it and it will send out signals and

01:23:08.340 attract other forms of immunity to that cell that's infected now the cells they have a mechanism

01:23:15.460 is when their uh mechanism has been taken over by a virus so virus comes in and messes up the

01:23:21.780 machinery and uses the cells machinery to make more viruses the cells nucleus

01:23:26.520 senses this and it actually puts out proteins that actually transport these

01:23:32.040 foreign proteins to the surface of the cell so the T cells will recognize that

01:23:36.600 that cells infected and come to destroy it it's quite an amazing system and they

01:23:40.800 also put out mechanisms that stop the cells metabolism or slow it down so that

01:23:44.760 they can't make as many viruses I'm gonna pose something to you and I want

01:23:48.420 to see if you think I'm on the right track here I think that they made a

01:23:51.240 of fundamental error in the computer models when they kept calling this a novel coronavirus.

01:23:56.600 I think that they felt like it was like it came from Mars and none of us had ever seen anything

01:24:03.480 like it. And 100% of us were going to get infected with it. There was going to be a 3.4% death rate.

01:24:10.780 We had no immunity to respond to it. And as we've discovered, maybe these mechanisms in the body

01:24:17.380 from other coronavirus exposures maybe that did give some protection and and so the models were

01:24:22.660 built on the wrong premise yeah and of course the antibodies we know for covid if you get

01:24:27.140 covid infection you develop antibodies they're gone in three months so so interestingly they um

01:24:32.660 they did recover some actual viral particles from the spanish flu in 1918 they dug it up from a grave

01:24:38.980 in alaska uh it was kept in the permafrost i guess the year that this woman was buried it was a

01:24:44.740 warmer year but then it was permafrost so it was

01:24:48.260 her lung tissue was salvaged they got the virus

01:24:50.900 so about 20 years ago 15 years ago they still they found a survivor of the

01:24:56.100 1918 flu they checked her blood and she still

01:24:59.700 had t-cell immunity to that virus holy cow that's amazing okay

01:25:04.580 it really it really is so then can we transition into understanding how

01:25:08.500 mrna vaccines work because um my sense of it and correct me if i'm wrong

01:25:14.660 but my sense of it is it does activate this kind of t-cell immune response so talk to me about it

01:25:20.260 that's the big advantage of the mr of the rna vaccines is they get the cells machinery to make

01:25:27.860 part of the virus that part of the virus gets expressed onto the cell and your t-cells immunity

01:25:33.300 comes and gets sensitized to it and then you develop these t-cells which are now sensitized

01:25:38.100 to that spike protein and i've got a slide on a little bit later on how that works but that's

01:25:42.820 exactly the case and that's why these vaccines are a little different and i i hold more promise to

01:25:47.940 them than regular vaccines as far as developing immunity um you know granted they are new uh they

01:25:55.940 they have been tested very quickly at warp speed so there are some concerns there

01:26:01.460 but i think if you are at risk and you're in your 70s it's definitely you definitely should get it

01:26:07.540 to as a healthcare worker i think i have a higher responsibility to do that uh so so for now i think

01:26:13.460 whoever can get the vaccine it's probably a good idea to get it we'll worry about whether people

01:26:18.020 who don't want the vaccine or not can get it later you know i guess this is the the missed opportunity

01:26:22.980 that i see is if they had been all along telling us about these two different types or multiple

01:26:28.420 different types of ways that our our body fights off viruses then i think we would have already

01:26:34.820 been prepared for this new vaccine stimulates a response in a different way and there'd be

01:26:40.340 less vaccine hesitancy i think they've kind of failed in the education campaign uh oh i think

01:26:44.900 you're right and now of course t-cells what they basically do is they take some antigen and put it

01:26:49.540 in a little well and they march t-cells pass it and see if they're attracted to that's in effect

01:26:55.220 how they test t-cell immunity and we know at least 50 of the population has t-cell immunity to stars

01:27:01.380 kovi too at least 50 we've got lots of papers on that that's that's kind of a shocking study it is

01:27:08.180 and i i've got other things so so you know they always talk about oh look at new zealand how good

01:27:12.740 they did right but let's take all those countries in oceania you start you take a map you draw a

01:27:18.020 circle you start at the tip of japan top you go around india all around australia new zealand

01:27:24.100 back up to japan every one of those countries regardless of policy japan didn't lock down right

01:27:29.300 so regardless of policy every one of those countries their mortality rate was 20 or 30

01:27:33.460 times less than ours how do you explain that we don't know but my guess would be is that a virus

01:27:41.780 a coronavirus went through that area recently that that's that's one plausible explanation

01:27:48.420 in in japan a really neat study they they got um a group of 400 people and they checked their

01:27:55.060 blood every two weeks in tokyo and they checked for antibodies and as they did it they saw the

01:28:02.260 antibody levels rise at the same time as the pcr tests were rising and 50 of the of those 400

01:28:08.340 people that they tested had positive covid and sarah's cov-2 antibodies and then it waned off

01:28:14.500 and that's fine but the difference was so they got it like japan got the virus it's clear but

01:28:19.620 they didn't get sick interesting so i have a theory and again i would love for someone to test

01:28:25.220 this but i have a theory that sars cove one that original stars outbreak from 2003 i wonder if

01:28:32.420 there was a lot of asymptomatic or mild transmission of that virus in the same way and all we focused

01:28:38.740 on was the extreme cases because we had a terrible outbreak in toronto and i'm wondering if it really

01:28:43.780 just had more spread in that oceana uh countries that you're talking about new zealand australia

01:28:50.020 all of the asian countries china japan and others i wonder if that's a is anyone researching that

01:28:54.980 to see if there's a correlation i i think there's people thinking about that if there's active

01:29:00.260 research going i don't know but there's definitely people thinking about these things why is central

01:29:04.260 africa virtually untouched virtually no cases who knows i don't know south africa got it why

01:29:10.820 Why is Central Africa untouched?

01:29:12.360 We don't know.

01:29:13.560 Wow, that's gonna be such an interesting area

01:29:16.000 for future research, but let's be clear,

01:29:17.820 it had nothing to do with lockdowns, right?

01:29:19.640 Right, that's the thing.

01:29:20.720 And so when everybody holds New Zealand out,

01:29:22.520 oh, look at they locked down, they've got no cases.

01:29:25.220 And look at Sweden, they didn't lock down, they got hammered.

01:29:28.700 But if you compare Sweden with fair metrics,

01:29:32.620 and it turns out that the most important metric

01:29:35.160 of how bad you got COVID was how bad

01:29:37.940 your flu season was the year before.

01:29:39.360 It's very consistent.

01:29:40.340 Europe's got such good data very consistently.

01:29:43.460 If that country had a very mild flu season

01:29:46.340 the year before, they got hammered by COVID.

01:29:48.500 If they had a very heavy flu season

01:29:50.000 the year before, they didn't.

01:29:51.520 And when you compare Sweden on that metric,

01:29:53.540 they did just the same as everybody else.

01:29:55.620 No worse, no better.

01:29:56.960 They made mistakes.

01:29:58.120 They normally made mistakes,

01:29:59.580 but their economy's not destroyed.

01:30:01.520 Oh, I can't wait to see some of this research

01:30:03.260 and correlation come out afterwards.

01:30:04.860 Let's go through some of your other slides here

01:30:07.120 because we've sort of been talking.

01:30:08.940 i i i don't want to dismiss i know some people are very concerned about the new vaccine and i

01:30:16.060 i know that there is hesitancy out there so i don't i don't want to i don't yeah i don't want

01:30:20.620 to just gloss over that there are certain side effects and certain people who shouldn't take

01:30:25.340 the vaccine and they've even set up a fund for for vaccine injury so that you can get compensated

01:30:30.780 from it what i've seen the most is that it seems like there's an anaphylaxis reaction that people

01:30:35.580 are having if you're going to have a reaction it's an allergic reaction but then there's also

01:30:40.060 this new astrazeneca vaccine which they suggest is not going to be very effective among those over

01:30:45.980 the age 65 i mean my mom sent me a note saying it's only 60 effective what's the point and so

01:30:51.900 maybe you can address a couple of those things as well i i actually if i were going to get a vaccine

01:30:57.500 and you put the three in front of me that's the astrazeneca i'd get just because it's more familiar

01:31:01.500 technology uh it's not brand new it's been around a lot longer and the mechanism action i'm not i'm

01:31:07.420 much more sure of and so if i had to pick one of the three i'd pick that one and the data the data

01:31:14.460 is the data but who knows right and maybe they need a booster it's it's still even so 60 is

01:31:21.340 better than better than zero and we're short of vaccines bring it on i think that's fine um if

01:31:28.620 you are over 65 if you have risk factors this virus is around it's nasty your risk of the vaccine is

01:31:37.900 way less than the risk of the virus you get you go ahead and get the vaccine regardless any of

01:31:43.500 the three yes whatever they they can give you if you're a 22 year old woman and you're trying to

01:31:48.940 get pregnant and you're metabolically well and the risk of getting dying from covet is less than

01:31:54.620 your risk of being in an accident driving down to get the vaccine to me it's a no-brainer the

01:31:59.740 vaccine has not been rigorously tested like other vaccines she should not get it and for the rest of

01:32:05.420 us we have to be somewhere in between and the argument well we have to get it to get herd

01:32:09.580 immunity but we don't even know if these viruses prevent us from spreading the virus that that's

01:32:14.060 still an unknown for all we know we could still get asymptomatic infections and still be spreaders

01:32:18.460 even if we get the vaccine so so these are all unknowns um i i think to be realistic

01:32:24.460 it is a crisis get the vaccine if you think you need it i've had many people get it i have no

01:32:29.580 problems i've only had one or two people i've suggested not get it as did their specialists

01:32:35.020 agree and they had quite serious autoimmune disorders and and they're just worried about

01:32:40.140 all the more reason why there needs to be this parallel track so vaccines yes but there will

01:32:45.340 always be a percentage of the population who is high risk that you need a therapeutic for because

01:32:49.660 they can't take the vaccine so i think that reinforces that we should have always had a

01:32:53.420 dual track approach continue on with your slides there doc okay so this is about variants so there

01:32:58.140 there's the the british variant but there's several other variants and and the concern

01:33:01.980 about the variants is that they seem to be more strongly binding to that ace 2 receptor

01:33:08.380 and thus more virulent possibly we don't know that but they certainly seem to be more infectious

01:33:14.940 the controversy is are they you know 70 more infectious or just 10 and really it only has

01:33:21.580 to be a little bit more um infectious to take over from the other viruses to become the dominant

01:33:27.580 virus so and there's a wide margin there but the point is is they they might be more infectious

01:33:33.180 they they might be more virulent when i look around the world i look at the data i look at

01:33:37.980 where the these viruses are being introduced i still just see the regular expected pandemic

01:33:43.340 curve i don't see any major thing you don't see the slingshot anywhere i don't see the thing shot

01:33:48.700 we should be concerned about variants we should watch them but there's nothing out there i see

01:33:53.180 right now to make us lock down again the most important thing the single most important thing

01:33:58.300 about variants is do they evade the immunity required from a prior covet 19 infection if the

01:34:06.300 answer is no we're safe we're approaching herd immunity dr tam slingshot has not the slightest

01:34:11.980 chance of being reality and as we've discussed if t-cell

01:34:16.060 immunity is one of the mechanisms that's enacted

01:34:18.700 then it should be good against a variant that would be one thing

01:34:21.500 absolutely should be but here here's the here's the rub so you got the

01:34:24.860 you know the new variant and it should not you see the headline should not

01:34:27.500 create a problem with the vaccine you keep hearing oh

01:34:29.420 the vaccine will work on the variants no problem no problem no problem

01:34:32.380 but but then the same time you got teresa tans line we're going to have a

01:34:35.900 pandemic because of the variants well the problem with that

01:34:41.100 is that if if you believe in the vaccine then you have to believe in acquired immunity acquired

01:34:46.780 immunity is always better than a vaccine except for one very specific case her to be her acquired

01:34:54.220 immunity from the actual infection is always stronger and longer lasting than the vaccine

01:34:59.820 so how can you say on one hand don't worry the vaccines are work we're safe and on the other

01:35:04.060 hand saying we're gonna have a pandemic from the variant we have to lock down doc you can't that's

01:35:09.740 why my brain's exploding right now is that we're asked to believe two things that are in conflict

01:35:15.260 with each other okay thank you for making all that clear i'm not the crazy one then that's

01:35:19.020 that's good to know um so the other thing i want you to just address because you've read that book

01:35:24.940 on pandemics is there was an epidemiologist that was quoted in mainstream media colin furnace i

01:35:30.540 believe is his name said that one of the things that we know about viruses is they want to survive

01:35:35.180 and they want to replicate so when even if it is the case that they become more transmissible

01:35:41.180 it doesn't necessarily mean that they become more deadly is is that is that always the case it's

01:35:46.700 not always the case but the norm is they become less virulent and more infectious because then

01:35:51.500 they're going to replicate more so normally as a virus ages it becomes less serious but not always

01:35:59.340 okay and when would we know would wouldn't by now with the variant that they're of concern

01:36:04.300 in the uk and the variant of concern in south africa wouldn't we now know whether it was more

01:36:09.580 deadly as well it's it's not that easy to tell it's it's it's these are these are fuzzy numbers

01:36:16.540 uh so that we just don't know the answer okay one more thing we were up at 1800 cases per day

01:36:23.660 came down dramatically just as you described um is the normal pathway for viruses why is the premier

01:36:30.460 still so concerned now that it's he's seen a slight tick up some days or a

01:36:35.320 slight tick up in hospital some days why is that like I would think that if we

01:36:40.280 were going to see the kind of slingshot that Teresa Tam and and Tyler Chandro

01:36:44.560 revealed a few weeks ago you'd need something more than that to make you

01:36:48.920 that panicked and so what am I missing what are they seeing that I'm not we

01:36:53.280 would have seen it by now that this virus variants have been around long

01:36:57.160 we'd see a signal somewhere somewhere in the world we'd see it and plus we're

01:37:01.480 coming into spring and we know the virus is going to get weaker I see no reason

01:37:06.100 to increase restriction measures I see reason to open up I see at the very least

01:37:12.940 we should open up to the same restrictions we had in November that

01:37:15.820 they clearly worked you saw it in the curve right well okay one last thing I

01:37:20.440 want to raise with you though because when this virus got introduced and we

01:37:24.760 started counting it um i don't know if it was introduced here earlier i've had all kinds of

01:37:29.480 doctors and nurses tell me that they saw some weird x-rays and they didn't diagnose with

01:37:34.440 influenza and they wonder if it actually was here prior to to february march when we started

01:37:39.800 counting it but we did have that's what i think freaked the premier out is that i think they

01:37:44.680 thought that that was the worst of it is what we saw last march or april when we really just

01:37:49.080 catching the tail end of it the worst of it was what we saw in november december but it does make

01:37:53.640 me wonder is there a chance that we're going to get a slight bump similar to

01:37:58.380 last year that we saw in March April yeah yeah there could be a third wave

01:38:03.900 especially if the variants are a bit more I just think it's unlikely as we're

01:38:10.260 coming into spring we were got herd immunity this is just not the way the

01:38:14.260 viruses act so I think it's unlikely but it's nothing's possible okay I need to

01:38:20.640 Derek to stop the screen share for just a moment I've frozen I'm just gonna have

01:38:24.600 to reset okay does that mean that I that you're gonna go offline for a bit no I

01:38:31.040 saw stay online but I'll just stop the screen share well then let's talk about

01:38:35.220 can you can you can you do both can you do I talk to me while you're doing that

01:38:40.260 because I think we're about to transition into the discussion about rich really

01:38:46.800 where we started which was oh i think we may have lost the doc so we're we're going to transition

01:38:52.240 now uh we did this this segment a bit differently than the one with david redmond because i i just

01:38:58.800 knew that there was going to be a lot of um a lot of material to cover and i wanted to show you that

01:39:06.320 the doc has has been educating me all the way along the way so in a lot of cases um with uh

01:39:13.440 with these presentations and we'll do a few of them the presenter will just want to do straight

01:39:17.600 through but um we didn't leave as much time for questions but this is the really the bread and

01:39:21.760 butter i think this next section that we're going to get into which is the question that all of you

01:39:27.600 kept asking me why does no one talk about how to improve your immune system function why does

01:39:32.160 nobody talk about how we can increase immunity and that really is the forte of the dog that's

01:39:38.240 that's kind of where we began in talking through all of this so i'm not sure how you're feeling

01:39:43.760 about uh what you've seen today i hope it has filled in a few blanks for you i hope it has

01:39:50.000 also shown you that we're getting some mixed messages and i hope that as i've always just

01:39:56.560 counseled you to do just read as broadly as you possibly can and come to your own conclusion on

01:40:02.880 issues now derek i don't know if you're with me there um because i haven't had time to look at

01:40:09.360 any of the questions coming in but are there some comments that you want to raise while we're

01:40:12.560 waiting for the doc to come back on yeah i think uh one of the commonly raised questions is still

01:40:18.800 about vaccines i know uh you and dr john addressed it um i i think it's one of the areas where we

01:40:25.360 lacked a very informative public discussion on it uh i'm broadly pro vaccine uh i don't i'm not

01:40:35.240 anywhere near the front of the line nor should i be but when the time comes i have an intention to

01:40:40.480 take it but uh you know i'm probably in the middle on that uh there are some people who believe that

01:40:46.780 vaccines are are just bad for you shouldn't take them some people are more extreme and believe

01:40:51.500 that there's nefarious purposes behind them and then there's uh the other side that believes if

01:40:57.660 uh you don't just do what you're told and take it you're a bad person the government should pin you

01:41:01.580 down and stick it in your arm so that's quite a spectrum i'm not used to being in the middle of

01:41:05.840 many things but i'm on this one oh my you're the centrist eric my goodness don't ever call me that

01:41:11.140 again yeah um and i think the doc if i can summarize sorry can i if i can just summarize

01:41:17.360 what I thought I heard the doc say on that issue and I'm glad he's back so he can hear that too

01:41:22.500 is that if you are of a certain age and have risk factors you should take it unless your doctor

01:41:30.660 tells you not to there will only be a certain number of people for whom it's more dangerous

01:41:34.480 if they have also don't have clear information if you're pregnant wanting to become pregnant or

01:41:42.140 lactating. If you're young and healthy and have no other conditions, then it's probably not the top

01:41:49.360 priority for you to take. And then everybody else in the middle would have to sort of make their

01:41:55.700 own judgment based on their own comfort level. But what I heard the doc say is that if you're

01:42:00.760 over 65, and especially if you've got pre-existing conditions, your risk associated with getting

01:42:07.800 COVID and having a bad reaction is worse than the potential risk of getting vaccinated from any of

01:42:14.280 the three vaccines. Doc did I summarize what you said there correctly? Yep that sounds good. Okay

01:42:18.920 so let's then I'm prepared to move on to talking about what I described as essentially your

01:42:25.080 expertise which is how do you keep your immune system strong if unless there's any more slides

01:42:29.880 that you want to to cover on COVID in particular that we missed but I'm quite happy to talk about

01:42:36.360 all of the ways in which you can essentially heal yourself through diet which is one of the things

01:42:41.640 that we talked about a lot over the years sure uh okay uh the screen share is on

01:42:49.720 can you see the slide have we got that it's coming up it's here we go go ahead yeah we got it

01:42:57.240 all right so uh interesting study two years ago now that they they looked at americans they look

01:43:03.240 for metabolic markers so look at things like uh blood pressure uh triglycerides hl cholesterol

01:43:10.920 waistline etc and they found out that 88 of american adults are metabolically unwell and

01:43:17.400 only 12 are metabolically well and and how do you know well some obvious things if you're 40

01:43:24.520 years old look around at the 40-year-old people in your office and tell me how many people don't

01:43:28.360 have the pot belly they've all got metabolic syndrome and we probably aren't as bad as the

01:43:33.320 united states but i would think at least two-thirds of adults in this country certainly anyone over 40

01:43:38.280 has metabolic syndrome and most of them don't even know it you know that's i guess interesting

01:43:42.040 because that ties in with what the medical practitioners are telling us about why those

01:43:47.560 with pre-existing conditions is such as such a big problem with covid is because there are so

01:43:54.120 many people who are metabolically unhealthy that being said not everybody who has one of these

01:43:59.480 conditions and in their 40s or 50s is going to have uh necessarily an adverse outcome right i

01:44:05.800 mean there's right you can still recover yeah i mean the further along you are in that road and

01:44:09.960 they say three or more conditions is really the the the main thing but if you look at then these

01:44:15.160 are this is the shortness there's many more things that metabolic syndrome can express as but if you

01:44:19.400 you look at these, how many of these are major risk factors for COVID? A lot of them, right?

01:44:25.680 And again, if you look at what the big risk factors for COVID, at the heart of all of it

01:44:30.380 is metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome. It starts, you're 20 years old, you're on the

01:44:40.620 university track team, you're a woman, you've got a nice 28-inch waist, and you go to a drive-in

01:44:48.320 restaurant and you order french fries and coke so starch and sugar really high up goes your blood

01:44:54.320 sugar your body makes insulin that sugar just comes right down real quick you got muscles and

01:44:58.560 lots of places to store it but as time goes by and you're on this type of diet you get less and less

01:45:04.460 places to store that energy that the tissues start rejecting insulin and insulin has to work harder

01:45:09.900 and harder and harder so what you want I want to see on this slide is that yellow line that's how

01:45:14.780 much insulin your body's making and this is over decades and what you see is in

01:45:18.800 the first phase the insulin goes up but the blood sugar doesn't budge and in

01:45:23.420 fact 20% of people who present now this is another nice new study 20% of people

01:45:28.820 who present with something called idiopathic neuropathy so that means we

01:45:34.140 don't know why but people are getting numbness in their feet hmm they're

01:45:38.120 actually normal glycemic diabetics they the high insulin is actually causing

01:45:42.980 neuropathy because it's driving that the nerve cells don't become insulin sensitive so the

01:45:48.180 insulin is driving sugar into those nerve cells and damaging them so high insulin in itself is

01:45:54.020 damaging not just high blood sugar then you get to the point you can't make enough insulin the

01:45:58.580 blood sugar creeps up the doctor says hey you're pre-diabetic and then of course as time goes by

01:46:03.140 the glucose level goes up as your body's ability to make insulin goes down and and that you become

01:46:08.100 that full-blown type 2 diabetic but the point of the slide is the process starts decades before

01:46:13.300 your blood sugar even moves um okay vitamin d we talked about vitamin d briefly i'm just simply

01:46:22.420 saying here okay in this slide it's a study that they did in spain and it was uh was 80 some people

01:46:30.820 and they were being admitted to hospital so in admission to hospital two-thirds of them got an

01:46:35.860 intravenous dose of vitamin d very high dose equivalent to 100 000 international units that's

01:46:40.980 like taking taking a hundred vitamin d pills and they and they got other doses along the way and

01:46:47.300 the other people didn't and their outcome they're looking at was icu admissions in the group that

01:46:55.380 got the vitamin d only two percent were admitted to icu in the group that didn't get the vitamin d

01:47:02.020 50 were admitted to icu wow now that being said don't go and take 100 of vitamin d pills i just

01:47:09.940 want to make sure people don't self-medicate that way it won't work because if you take it early

01:47:14.900 it would take your body a month to convert it to the right form far better is take your 4 000 a

01:47:19.940 day and in a month you're going to have your hundred thousand units in you it's fat soluble

01:47:23.620 so it's stored you take your hundred thousand by doing your four thousand a day for a month

01:47:28.020 okay um vitamin d is intimately linked to linked diabetes mellitus so high insulin stimulates a

01:47:36.100 hormone that degrades active vitamin d so we know low vitamin d is a massive risk factor for

01:47:43.460 covet but i'm saying vitamin d is a marker also for metabolic syndrome low vitamin d

01:47:49.780 interesting study um in the winter the the bar on the left is people who didn't get vitamin d

01:47:56.980 and got colds and and the darker shade is the people who got vitamin d and got colds you can

01:48:02.020 see it's 10 times difference wow massive difference okay um all right so trying to move along here so

01:48:09.860 my three-step health plan so people come to see me i gotta be quick i gotta be succinct and i gotta

01:48:14.980 give them something they can take home and works cut out the processed food the trifecta processed

01:48:20.500 sugar, processed grains, processed oil. So, I mean, it's canola, mozzola, crisco, margarine,

01:48:27.760 cold-pressed fruit oils are fine. So, so olive oil, coconut oil, avocado, any healthy animal fat,

01:48:34.840 you know, bacon fat, duck fat, butter, all good. Eat whole food as much as you can. Food that does

01:48:40.260 not have an ingredient list, does not have a nutrition label. There's no ingredient list on a

01:48:44.420 care if you're healthy you can eat natural carbs you can eat carbs but

01:48:50.580 they've got to be naturally sourced like fruit avoid juices if you're gonna have

01:48:54.920 grains pre digest pre that so upgrade your grain don't down rate so fermentation

01:49:00.020 of flour mix sourdough bread way healthier sprouted bread so totes okay

01:49:06.780 why the sugar drinks if you're diabetic you probably should avoid those even no

01:49:12.660 should eat processed oils we talked about that uh cold press oils okay we talked about that okay

01:49:16.500 exercise daily something the best exercise to do is the exercise you will do so if it's just going

01:49:21.940 for a walk do it you know take the stairs bonus points for going to the gym but not everybody can

01:49:26.580 do that or will do that and let's not make this let's not make this um think something you hate

01:49:32.340 if you hate doing it it's don't do it and then lastly we talked about time-restricted eating

01:49:36.580 which means don't eat after supper um what better way to reduce insulin than going all night and

01:49:42.020 halfway through the morning without without any food great way if if we know this works if we

01:49:47.620 take two identical twins it's exactly the same diet same food same cook but one eats at 10 o'clock

01:49:53.380 the other eats at six o'clock the 10 o'clock person's going to gain weight you know doc people

01:49:58.500 are going and i know i know that this is the best way to eat but it is hard to get into we all have

01:50:04.420 our own habits is there some sort of easy way that you can do this i mean i i use some of the

01:50:11.620 make good food delivery packages or hello fresh have you have you ever tried any of those out

01:50:16.660 as a way of getting um any of your patients easily into this kind of pre-cooked different

01:50:22.500 way of eating because i find they have i go with the low carb package whenever i do order it and

01:50:29.300 it's always delicious i mean i'm just wondering if there's a way to make people feel like they're

01:50:34.180 not being punished because there's a reason why we have the spare tire around the middle is we

01:50:39.620 like eating chips and and dip and we like eating hamburgers and fries and so so what's the what's

01:50:46.260 the easy transition to get into that maximize satiety bring yourself to fullness i do have a

01:50:54.980 few people who have done that service the the doctor works in my office they do it and it's

01:50:59.620 very healthy food i definitely think you have healthy choices there there's bad choices too

01:51:04.420 but they've some of those companies have some really good stuff i totally agree with you

01:51:08.340 but to to to answer your question what you need to do is get yourself full to the point you don't

01:51:13.780 want to eat anymore with food that makes sense food that has a shut off right um so i tell people

01:51:20.740 when you first start this overeat for breakfast i want you to have a three mushroom cheese omelet

01:51:26.420 with some some sausages that aren't full of bread crumbs an avocado and um you know a few pieces of

01:51:34.340 cheese i want you to be so stuffed after breakfast you won't want to eat for hours and hours and

01:51:38.660 hours same with supper right i want you to use that salmon i want you to have some hamburgers

01:51:43.140 through a great big salad and put some you know um healthy meat and cheese and and olives and

01:51:49.540 you know and and use olive oil for dressing get yourself so stuffed at the end of supper

01:51:54.900 that you won't want to eat and then get up to the fridge cut off three slices of cheese and

01:51:58.260 put butter on them and eat them forget about the calories just be

01:52:02.820 stuffed and i've never to this day had to tell

01:52:06.900 anybody when to stop doing that it seems if you get to about three or

01:52:11.220 four weeks of not eating those snacks the cravings

01:52:14.660 subside but you screw up once and they're right right back again

01:52:18.660 oh it's the truth i want you to just connect how important

01:52:21.940 because it almost seems like it's the same old recommendation

01:52:25.700 exercise and eat well but there's something really important about keeping your insulin

01:52:31.780 under control and and well i know you've got the i don't know if you want to put up the book cover

01:52:37.060 for eat rich live long because i know what happens every time i talk to you is people ask for your

01:52:41.380 number and they say i need that doc but really um you can do this yourself is i guess the takeaway

01:52:47.780 for me is because it it really is medicating yourself just by shopping for different things

01:52:53.860 and cooking them differently and you can do so much of the work on your own

01:52:57.040 without a doctor anyone can do this there's lots of resources the more

01:53:01.900 addicted you are to sugar the harder it is I I get that okay and I know there's

01:53:05.920 some people dig to sugar you can't do that alone you need help here's the eat

01:53:10.600 rich live along this other ones the PE diet a lot of the slides are from there

01:53:13.660 this is a great book as well and then diet doctor comms a great website biggest

01:53:21.120 bill card website in the world there's a free side and a paid side for those of you who are

01:53:25.760 really addicted and really struggling you have to have help you need a form you need a buddy to do

01:53:30.480 it with it so if your spouse will do it great but you you can get here and you get lots of help here

01:53:35.360 to help you through it's really hard when those foods hit your limbic system and fire up as much

01:53:41.280 as cocaine it's so hard for those people to get off these kinds of foods i get that but it is

01:53:49.200 doable and this last slide here so and this is

01:53:52.720 important because i think this brings it all home because that may have sounded

01:53:55.680 like a diversion why are you telling me about

01:53:57.920 healthy eating and exercise because it's all interconnected

01:54:01.520 especially when when when we when i when i look at

01:54:04.560 at the slides you sent over if we're talking about the people most at risk

01:54:09.360 of having a bad reaction if they get covid

01:54:12.800 it's because of all of the metabolic syndromes that you were talking about

01:54:16.400 which are based on the uh the excessive insulin or the poor insulin reaction and so if you can

01:54:22.880 address that then you're able to to be self-protective off across your whole immune

01:54:27.840 system so not just a coveted year but at any influence and cold season so so tell us how

01:54:34.000 you bring it all home here in this last slide yeah well yeah there's two pandemics and one

01:54:38.800 pandemic's making the other one far worse and what are we going to do with the next pandemics

01:54:42.880 so uh so plan going forward with regards to covid i would say immediately return to the

01:54:47.840 restrictions we have in november uh if at least i would even think of opening up more but at least

01:54:53.920 go back to there allow doctors to at least temporarily order vitamin d at this point your

01:54:58.880 daughter doctor cannot order vitamin d except in a very few specific conditions discontinue

01:55:05.440 mountain children i am seeing new diseases in children i'm seeing acne in teenagers two new

01:55:11.120 kind of acne two exact circles on the cheeks exact it's like somebody drew a line and it's

01:55:16.160 coming from the mast and sinus troubles ear troubles anxiety not sleeping these kids don't

01:55:21.440 uh especially under kids they don't spread the virus we've got good data on that why are we

01:55:25.600 making them wear a mask i don't get it i get it with the mask wearing is fine i'm good with mask

01:55:29.600 wearing for the adults not for the kids the government should actively pursue obtaining

01:55:34.320 adequate supply of ivermectin that's obvious um from what we've talked about until the vaccine

01:55:39.520 is available for all those at risk other prophylaxis measures like ivermectin why are we

01:55:43.760 giving ivermectin to those people at risk who can't get to the vaccine yet um dr cory uh one

01:55:50.880 of the evms doctors prescribed ivermectin many many times he said i don't see a downside and

01:55:56.880 i i don't i think that this drug is so safe and so little in side effects and we've got decent

01:56:02.880 data it's not perfect but it's decent why aren't we using it the thing about hydroxychloroquine we

01:56:08.240 we thought it worked but the data wasn't there we've got the data here now

01:56:12.880 okay and the last thing you know government should set up

01:56:16.080 uh this is one of dr premier kenny's panel set up a panel and make your

01:56:20.800 alberta made food guidelines that's the food

01:56:24.880 guidelines in canada and the united states they're all made by

01:56:28.240 people with agendas and with input from the food companies they don't listen to

01:56:31.440 the science and docs like me uh my my big doctors group the canadian

01:56:35.840 conditions for Canadian clinicians for therapeutic nutrition we're several

01:56:39.920 thousands from there's lots of dots who promote this kind of diet they didn't

01:56:43.940 even listen to us we had a big presentation it's like it didn't even

01:56:46.700 happen let's have our own Alberta food guidelines those guidelines guide that

01:56:51.500 they really are important because they're gonna guide what the seniors get

01:56:54.460 at and they're in their nursing homes interesting to hear you say all of that

01:57:00.680 because when you're when you're talking about there being a parallel sort of two

01:57:04.760 different crises that we have that's the other area of research that needs to be

01:57:10.640 done is you say well why isn't there any huge outbreaks and death in Central

01:57:16.220 Africa maybe it's they don't have this kind of metabolic condition underlying

01:57:21.260 that the base of the population the same way that we do and that that'd be

01:57:25.040 pretty important for us to know that well we know that in Japan the 90% of

01:57:30.240 seniors have adequate levels of vitamin d we know that we know in northern italy like

01:57:36.640 lardy italy 90 of the seniors don't have adequate vitamin d so that again that could be one reason

01:57:42.160 why japan did better uh you know they're definitely a healthier population um but yeah we have two

01:57:47.440 pandemics we should be dealing with both of them we're not all right we're trying to deal with one

01:57:51.840 so derek uh i think that's the last of the slides you could put us back up and i i don't know um

01:57:57.040 I know that we got a request last time around not to have comments with the presentation,

01:58:05.920 but if you have some comments, Derek, that you want to share, by all means, go ahead and do that

01:58:12.440 while we're just wrapping up in our last couple of minutes of comments here. I guess, Doc, maybe I

01:58:17.960 should ask you a complicated question, and I accept if you can't answer it, but what is with

01:58:25.420 doctors being clamped down on by the college of physicians and surgeons or regulatory bodies

01:58:31.100 we're in a few weeks time are going to be talking to what we're calling the d platform docs

01:58:36.620 and they're ones who had to be indemnified i mean there's a lawyer lawyer john carpe with the justice

01:58:42.620 center for constitutional freedom he's told doctors you can speak out because i will proactively

01:58:48.460 cover you if your college comes after you what's going on in your profession because that's madness

01:58:55.420 and and that's a good question a difficult question I wish I had a good

01:58:59.180 answer to that they we've had no guidance on ivermectin I will say that I

01:59:04.580 am free to provide to prescribe ivermectin no one's giving me guidance

01:59:07.920 one way or another and I feel that that's that that's the case the the

01:59:14.420 question is to so the College of Physicians and Surgeons in Alberta they

01:59:18.160 have a difficult task because they're supposed to regulate doctors but they're

01:59:21.100 they're they're doctors who make it up and that they know their job and they

01:59:25.820 know if they don't do it properly the government's going to come in and do it

01:59:28.660 for us and and so they are interested in having a very disciplined good

01:59:33.220 profession they're interested in having you know that they want doctors to be

01:59:40.620 very professional and not stray having said that why they came out with the

01:59:46.660 guidance on hydroxychloroquine I don't know I don't have an answer that they

01:59:50.660 didn't say we couldn't prescribe it because they couldn't they couldn't do

01:59:53.780 that because it's a it's a legal medicine it's licensed for for use in

01:59:58.020 Canada we can prescribe it for anything we want but they basically came out and

02:00:01.760 said don't because oh we're worried about the supply for the people who are

02:00:06.200 on it for arthritis and such but that's all they have to say that they these

02:00:11.120 guys can if they get into your life they can they can hurt you in all sorts of

02:00:15.380 ways and so so so why they keep why they had that guidance I don't know I'm not

02:00:23.180 sure all the reasoning but that's the first time it's ever really happened the

02:00:28.280 College of Physicians in oh darn it you know what the doc is in a I'm surprised

02:00:37.640 that his internet connection held up as well as it did he said he was going to

02:00:41.660 have to ask his wife to make sure that she didn't watch a Netflix show while he

02:00:45.260 was on I think you know what nine o'clock she said I'm watching that

02:00:48.020 Netflix show on Netflix and my kids on Disney or word that's the difference

02:00:54.920 between rural and urban I think well I'm sorry I wasn't able to say a proper

02:01:00.740 good oh dr. John sorry we cut you I figured that your wife has got the

02:01:04.340 Netflix all fired up you told me that you didn't wanted to make sure that we

02:01:07.420 didn't have too much going on one last word and then we're gonna wrap it up

02:01:12.140 okay every day in my office I see people who have lost 30 40 50 100 pounds this is doable and the

02:01:24.300 reason it works what I'm telling you it works is because you don't have to go hungry the reason

02:01:28.260 traditional diets fail is because you can't go hungry the rest of light eat less move more doesn't

02:01:34.100 work it can't work you have to come to satiety if you come to satiety with healthy foods your body's

02:01:40.740 weight regulation mechanism will start to work all right dr john it's so amazing talking with

02:01:46.520 you i'm glad you agreed to do this one last hurrah as i was calling it i'm gonna miss being able to

02:01:51.980 to do this with you you've been such a great guide for me over the the last few years and i sure

02:01:56.180 appreciate that keep doing what you're doing and i hope that those of you who have dr john as your

02:02:02.720 doctor and i know that i had a couple of listeners who did you are very very lucky and those of you

02:02:07.420 who don't have Dr. John as your doc, go look up Eat Rich, Live Long, and you'll be able to get

02:02:13.940 the guide. So once again, doc, thanks so much for being with us and being so generous with your

02:02:18.780 time today. Pleasure. Yeah. And now I'll hand it back to Derek Fildebrand. Thanks again for hosting

02:02:24.840 this for us, Derek. Well, thank you very much for guest hosting. As I was telling you off the

02:02:31.100 year before we started, our lucky sponsor today, Kyren's Way, paid Derek Fildebrand prices and

02:02:37.180 She got Danielle Smith delivery.

02:02:39.660 So we're very glad to have you guest hosting today.

02:02:43.420 And Dr. John, very grateful to you for joining us, sharing your expertise with us.

02:02:49.060 I really enjoy this long form kind of interview.

02:02:52.940 As I kind of put it last, when we did the show last week, the first one, it's kind of like Joe Rogan without acid.

02:03:01.360 You know, we just, I'm not blaming actually.

02:03:04.940 I blame mainstream media for a lot of things, but I don't really blame them for the short-form interview where you're just trying to get through.

02:03:10.420 People have short attention spans.

02:03:12.020 There's a lot of options for people to consume media from.

02:03:17.360 So it's a bit of a risk doing long-form journalism like this.

02:03:22.980 And I was pretty skeptical that it would work, and I was proven completely wrong last time.

02:03:28.900 I continue to be proven wrong today.

02:03:30.960 I'm gonna stop coming up with my own ideas and just trust people around me

02:03:36.400 you know what they're doing now so I'm very grateful to you both for joining us

02:03:40.220 today I think it's a huge success almost also thank all of our guests who joined

02:03:44.040 us great interactions I saw it's quite spirited debate in the comment sections 1.00

02:03:50.340 I had one person asking me there's a Karen in there and she's really pissing 1.00

02:03:54.240 me off and you should get rid of her I said no no no I hate Karen too but she 0.99

02:03:59.440 uh she gets everybody commenting so let's let's just let karen go she's more fun to debate than 0.79

02:04:05.200 to silence so derek derek i'd love for people to know what episode three is we may as well

02:04:09.680 use this opportunity to tell people who we're seeing on thursday yeah yeah oversight on my part

02:04:16.960 we have a really special episode three coming up uh everybody's probably aware by now of pastor

02:04:24.160 James Coates of the Grace Life Church in Stony Plain, Alberta, just west of Edmonton. He has

02:04:31.460 been thrown in jail and denied bail because he refused to stop preaching. His appeal on that bail

02:04:39.300 is coming right up on Thursday, I think it is, if I'm not mistaken. And that very same day,

02:04:46.080 Oh, Dr. John, I guess Mrs. John is watching Netflix.

02:04:50.840 So on the very same day, we've got Pastor John's wife, Aaron, Pastor John, Pastor Coates'

02:05:00.260 wife, Aaron Coates.

02:05:03.660 She's going to be on.

02:05:05.320 Danielle's going to be guest hosting her, you know, what it's been like.

02:05:11.780 Why is Pastor Coates taking the stand he is?

02:05:16.460 Why is he refusing to back down?

02:05:18.920 A lot of people just don't understand, especially people who aren't regular churchgoers.

02:05:24.020 I'm a pretty poor churchgoer.

02:05:26.980 I think last time I was in church, it was when my daughter was getting baptized.

02:05:30.760 But I think I have a pretty good understanding of why he is doing what he's doing.

02:05:34.460 But a lot of people don't.

02:05:36.000 So we want to hear, we wanted to get Pastor Coates, but he is in prison right now.

02:05:41.780 And the Wi-Fi connection is not very good, as far as I know.

02:05:45.620 So we're doing the next best thing.

02:05:47.460 We're having Pastor Coates' wife, Erin Coates, on with her lawyer, John Carpe, from the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.

02:05:55.480 We're going to do another two-hour program next Thursday, 7 p.m., Mountain Standard Time.

02:06:01.500 This Thursday, March the 4th.

02:06:03.400 In general, we're lucky to have Danielle twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays at 7pm, with the exception of next week. But we're going to have Danielle back after that. We're going to continue our series on uncensored COVID topics.

02:06:23.780 We have some great other ones coming up that we'll announce very soon.

02:06:27.280 But the next real big one coming up is this Thursday, 7 p.m. Mount Standard Time.

02:06:31.880 We're going to have a real treat talking to the jailed pastor's wife and her lawyer.

02:06:38.300 All right. Thanks, Derek.

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Western Standard - March 03, 2021

Danielle Smith & Dr. John

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