Did Danielleās demands workļ¼
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Summary
The OG Pipeline crew talks abortion, the recall of Alberta's UCP MLAs, and the upcoming referendum on Alberta's independence from the rest of Canada. Plus, a new documentary about late-term abortions in Canada.
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Good day. Today is November 26, 2025. I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the
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Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.
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Western Standard senior Alberta Columbus, Corey Morgan.
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that no one likes to talk about because everyone gets
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angry. We'll probably maybe even get angry with
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We're told it's exceptionally rare and only in medically necessary situations.
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A new documentary out would seem to show, I think fairly definitively, that that is very much not the case.
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So we're going to be talking about the touchiest subject you could find in Canada, almost anywhere really,
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but we're going to talk about late-term abortions.
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to collapse the government for an election, I guess.
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abused. We need to change the recall legislation. I'm not so sure. You want recall, you got to
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accept it when it's used against you too, but we'll get into it. But first, did Danielle Smith's
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demands of Mark Carney's federal liberal government work? She, the premier, laid down
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a series of nine demands. I think it may have been earlier in the summer, maybe even the spring,
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Alberta referendum on independence coming, saying, look
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if you, it was kind of an or else, and she didn't say what the or else was
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not going to be doing much on the stay side of the referendum
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she laid out these demands. They were not all about
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oil and gas development and pipelines, but I'd say
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the bulk of them were. There were some items on equalization.
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Surprise! There hasn't been a peep on equalization.
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But there does, knock on wood, appear to be some movement
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on the natural resource development side of things.
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Tomorrow, Thursday, Daniel Smith and Mark Carney
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are appearing at the Chamber of Commerce, where they're going to
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actually don't really mean anything. They're just
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It was on Internal Free Trade in Canada. Guess what?
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wait a minute, you can't treat me like an Albertan
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do we have much to cheer about yet i don't think so all right you know i i would actually love to
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be cheering about this but here in alberta we spend so much time thinking about it from our
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point of view that we don't always think about how the federal government is seeing it and how
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mr carney in particular is seeing it no i mean what does yeah we've got nine demands what does
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What does Mr. Carney have that he wants to get done?
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He wants, actually, the appearance of a settlement.
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where everybody was talking about how to take the carbon out of the climate,
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and now he's got to come back, and he's expected to work out something
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with the premier of Alberta who wants to develop more oil.
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so what he's doing is building a situation where it looks like he's agreeing but he's got an escape
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route he won't have to go through with it i am very pessimistic about uh this this uh particular
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i mean i hope i'm wrong but i actually don't see any good coming out of this
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he has apart from a constituency that's interested in climate change he himself has made it very
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clear how he sees the climate change that he's not he wants to he wants to get less carbon emitted
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he's come up with this crazy idea that in order to produce oil in the west you must
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dairy an equivalent amount of carbon dioxide to what it took to to make the oil nothing like
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that in the east where they're importing it and now you just mentioned the condition that bc
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has to agree and the indigenous peoples there have to agree there is his escape route they will not
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agree thanks danielle it was great talking but we're not we're not doing anything because bc
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doesn't well wait a minute you intruded in our space provincially intrude on theirs well you know
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well bring the bowl of water wash my hands of it yeah well corey none of this requires intrusion
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the rare times where the Supreme Court's actually
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It's written in black and white in the British North America
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standing whatever constitutional standing whatever to interfere uh but i mean we haven't seen the mou
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yet so i i don't want to prejudge it i just think as albertans we've uh you know we've played the
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charlie brown football enough by now that maybe we're overly cynical i don't know are we overly
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cynical here like is he gonna be our bc natives and the bc government um which one of those seniors
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I was saying to Nigel earlier, and I've got limited
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what I could say, but a little bird told me there is
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does give a veto to the First Nations or the province of BC, nor should it because it's not
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constitutional, as you pointed out, both with First Nations and BC. So Carney has to be a
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prime minister and he doesn't seem to be willing to. This is fully in his hands. He says it's
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getting done or it's not. And what's missing in all of this, I think, are not enough discussion.
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Maybe that'll pop over the MOU. Where's the private proponent? That's the excuse they like
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using too. There's no private proponent. Well, none of them are going to unless they can get
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through. So they need to see something with the prime minister saying, this pipe is going to
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reach the coast. Not this pipe, if we meet this giant long list of conditions, well, nobody's
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going to pull their wallet out there. No, he's got to be saying, I support this and I'm going to
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facilitate it. And we can't say that, oh, we'll need 10, 20 years of consultation either, because
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it's been done already. The Northern Gateway, Enbridge already spent, what, a hundred and
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some million or some, they've done the consultation.
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If anything, pipelines have gotten even better.
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We have to fast track this or it's not happening.
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leading into an AGM for Premier Smith to get out
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and try and tell the members she has accomplished something
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because they're as cynical as we are for the most part
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and they want to see her either standing up for Alberta
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about it for 10 more years while it dies on the phone.
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cooperative federalism. We believe the government of BC has to agree. We believe
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that First Nations right holders in this country have to agree and support all
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stakeholders. Already he has laid down conditions under which he says, well I
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did my best. And there's already First Nations saying that they're never going
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to support it under any circumstances. That's where we got to get, we got to
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define that difference between consultation and consent. We aren't
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obligated to get consent and obviously they're saying they're never going to
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tell them to go get stuffed, we're doing this, or
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saying one thing. I'm not sure if that was in response
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to an NDP question or an conservative question.
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I think it was conservatives were putting him against the wall.
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that's not in the MOU so that perhaps tomorrow it might be an interesting conference because if that
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comes to the opportunity where she might have to put him on the spot there and say well just to
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clarify this is not giving a veto to such and such and make him answer it there because he was absent
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from question period on this today anyway so uh that would be a whole different question now if
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it was a sabotage I mean we really want to see provincial federal relations go bad you know
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during a conference where they're supposed to be holding hands and smiling uh but I mean if she's
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I think the UCP is more Alberta first than the Wild
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Well, it's just that the issues are more prescient now, too,
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So, I mean, the politics, it's always good politics
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for the Alberta UCP Premier to be fighting like hell
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and stand next to him at a podium the day before convention
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maybe she's lost her marbles and gone soft,
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But in all probability, I would bet that she's got a fair degree of faith in it, because she doesn't like, you know, there's going to be some people on the harder, independent, sovereignist, right side of the party who are critics, and they're going to just take a picture of her standing at a podium.
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That's a bad meme. So if she's going to give them
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Well, I think it's going to go one way or the other.
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to the bank. Like, this is an agreement and she has to
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some mushy, we're just signing this again and we're
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well then something has made her addled because she understands that nobody going into an AGM
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wants a mushy middle position or if it blows up tomorrow that goes well going into an AGM as well
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because then you give the fire and brimstone speech saying we tried we did everything we could
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I took my time the day before this to try and come out and do this and he torpedoed us before
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we could even get it rolling I guess we have to look at other alternatives as Albertans to get
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getting signatures so that we can have a vote on independence.
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He was probably buzzing from the hairspray and wasn't thinking clearly.
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no pipeline's going to be done and pumping by that time.
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make it damn near impossible for the independent
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think it is sad that the whole independence argument
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at the top. If we can't control the Canadian border
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then let's at least control the Alberta border.
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the independent side always had the much bigger hill to climb to have any chance
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of winning. If there's real progress and it's like
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yeah, no, we're actually building this. There's crews out there right now, there's pictures, there's video
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I think that kills the chance of winning an independence vote. It would indicate that other things
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can get done as well. I mean, that's one symbol. So we're saying, well, if it could be negotiated to get
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the pipeline through, then maybe it's possible to negotiate on immigration or negotiate on
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equalization or some of those other areas. So it will be a big symbolic win that would undercut
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the independence movement strongly, but they got to move fast. People are impatient. That's the
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bottom line. They don't want to see it. I mean, Kearney loves his hockey analogies. Well, it looks
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to us like he's ragging the puck and we're not, people don't have time for it anymore. Get something
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going or quit playing us. Well, people in Alberta don't have any time for it anymore. Maybe this
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plays really well back in central canada very boss and i he's he's taking the cudgels to alberta and
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he's going to lay about the alberta government but tell them exactly where they stand that's
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good that won't play well in alberta but that could be christopher's mill in ontario quebec
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yeah we can't always look at it for our lenses well that's the thing we get it's very easy to
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forget what might be in it for him yeah because where does some of his mps are getting pretty
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upset with the possibility. Some of the BC ones
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They still legislated them a sweetheart deal.
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I mean, it was a great friggin' deal that they
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got for themselves. I thought the UCP should have
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legislated them back to work with a pay cut um like not even more charter charter schools to be
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transferred as you said i like that yeah yeah actually i don't think they actually should
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have legislated them back to work i think they just should have stood every day convert a public
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school into a charter school until the union begs for an end of the strike um walk them out essentially
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that's not what happened anyway the ata was legislated back to work they lost their shit
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they went uh they got very very angry the notwithstanding clause was used so it's just
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I guess Daniel Smith had a big margin of victory
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symbolic, he's the education minister, they hate him
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margin of victory for him so strategically or tactically that that's a that's maybe a smarter
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one but they're going after all sorts of others angela pitt she had a pretty big margin of victory
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um but they're going after them very clearly based on government policy and a lot in the ucp are
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stating that well that's not fair game um we need to change the rules around here now some of it
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i think is more legitimate complaints like uh the legislation says that the people who are
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canvassing for signatures have to live in the constituency.
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constituency, you live on the other side of the street, you're in another.
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Sometimes I know it. I live 800 meters from a UCP member and I have an NDP member for mine.
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I'm half a mile out of the border and they gerrymandered it actually because they wanted
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an NDP rural seat. So they made that one. It frustrates me, but I still think when it comes
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to overturning an MLA, it should only be the people living under that constituent seat.
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In an election, you're allowed to campaign in any constituency you want. In fact, people come
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from other provinces, even other countries in campaign. So, you know, if you're allowed to go
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by-elections. I think you should be allowed to do it
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level, but he was good to otherwise probably get recalled
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I don't think it's a good rule, but that is the rule, and that appears
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they don't have a point. They're saying, well, you're just
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People got pissed off because they had $28 glass of orange juice.
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That is not a serious thing, but it blew up into a serious thing.
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turns out the facts on the ground are different, or the government's got
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no money. Hey, we don't actually have money for this anymore.
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grasping at straws on this thing, saying that, well,
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you have to have a better reason that you disagree with
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They pulled the trigger on the government's own policy.
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My NDP nomination run, when they left it wide open
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And then it's amazing they changed their policies
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And suddenly I disappeared as an NBC nomination candidate.
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Yeah, it was probably dressed in NDP wear for the time.
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And I don't think as long as those rules are followed that they're going to succeed in many, if any of them, as you said.
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They've never had under 70% support for the UCP there.
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I would not want to be a door knocker going to the door saying, hey, will you sign this petition with your name addressed?
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Because that's the thing people got to realize.
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But right now, all they're doing is putting in a form and a fee.
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The news is reporting it as if there's this wave.
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Well, then there's a vote on if there will be a bioactivity.
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So you have to get signatures from 60% of the people who voted in the last election within a time frame.
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And rest assured, there will be a lot of UCP supporters who will want to see a couple of violations because that'll give them an excuse to say this is invalid and thrown out.
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Uh, as you said, cover bow is maybe the closest they could come to it, but even then that's
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I mean, not everybody's eager to see a by-election or whatnot.
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Even some who don't like the MLA, they might say, well, I'll still hang on till, uh, the
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I like using Switzerland as a model, but something that's different there is the citizens
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So if somebody shows up with a frivolous campaign at their door and says, well, you
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signed this, they'll say, no, I'm not interested.
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Not that Canadian politeness, I'll just sign.
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You know, really, once people, if people get the idea that this is a serious effort by the opposition to defrone the government,
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not just take out an MLA who has been an idiot,
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then the tide is going to turn against this recall.
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like the UCP is talking about changing some of the rules.
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front you can say that these guys are being frivolous
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I keep bringing her up, and for those who remember, you might not
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but they couldn't get rid of her, she still
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she potentially could have been stuck in there for
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fellow ended up committing suicide jumping off Confederation
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Bridge. He wanted to flood the Edmonton city streets
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yeah but he was a city councillor but similar sorts of things you see when they are so clearly
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though something has happened or whatever they've done something where they just are no longer fit
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we don't have a mechanism to remove them but theoretically it should just only be when it
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gets that bad before you really start doing it but how do you put yeah how do you put gates to
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make sure that doesn't help mess some and i'm not saying this is the ucp's plan it's not as far as
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we know but you know some prominent voices within it are saying you know and some of the mlas being
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subject to this or saying well no the rules should say like there has to be clear misconduct well
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what that means that's going to become a legal case and yeah misconduct's a different thing too
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yeah okay so look hey sean chu the calgary city councillor uh was in pretty hot water but he was
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never charged and convicted with a crime he did some things which were questionable a long time
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ago and voters deserved to render their decision uh but he kind of the way with advance voting he
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still got elected couldn't be recalled okay but is it always criminal behavior like not
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many are going to be i think criminal makes it more clear they'll often just resign its race
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anyways but uh it's it's those but also what like what if it's um you know a politician
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refuses to hand over their gun to the cops okay well that's criminal technically but so okay like
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it just gets way too subjective you have recall or you don't have recall and the general will
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The thumb is, you're going to agree with the reason
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and you want to recall, and you're going to disagree with it
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when it's a politician you do like who's on your side.
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I wouldn't want to see one against Nietzsche, because it would just
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the street. I'd love to see Nietzsche gone. I've got no use
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NDP is ever going to win that seat. Quit wasting
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to see what's going to happen, because if they come out and
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shoot down their own legislation, it will undercut
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the ECP and it's going to look bad. It'll look bad.
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I actually think you should not have to live specifically
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the boundaries are so often arbitrary. You're on
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Maybe they should say you have to live in it or
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in an adjacent riding to it. So like you're living
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who are naturally a part of that area can still
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can't vote well no no only people in that riding can vote and sign a petition to recall but they
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could go into there and you know carry up on the shores and carry petitions yeah because we allow
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it for elections why would we not allow it for this that's well maybe we shouldn't allow it for
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elections but with elections it's a party and it's a provincial wide thing which is a little different
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I mean we know exactly what will happen if you open it up all gill is you gotta buy electric
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yeah people people come in from around the country to go for a bar and that's what will happen with
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The premier just calls an election, which is what would happen.
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And, I mean, you never know what's going to happen, but based on the polls, I don't think it's going to be...
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It could be a careful what you wish for circumstances, like Fabio and his referendum petition.
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Thanks for that. Thanks for calling an early election.
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Because I tell you, there's a lot of people in the ECP who would like to call an early election.
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They're strong in the polls. They got money in the bank. They're ready for an election.
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especially when you've got a fixed election date.
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Daniel Smith remembers what happened to Jim Prentice.
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It's a legislative poll. It's not technically legal. It's not technically illegal. It's just there, floating in space. And we're told that late-term abortions do not happen on an elective basis. It's just not a thing. They're extremely rare, and they're for medically necessary purposes.
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and if that was the case where you know like if a woman is going to die i mean of course we should
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not have two people die that it's uh it's a terrible situation but yeah of course i think
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most people would agree with that um but that is not actually what is happening here so this group
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they um they put out their documentary and they went around to a number of abortion clinics
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She's like, do I have to be at risk or anything?
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was down a bit, but it was normally well over a thousand.
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Quebec, I guess Quebec's got different numbers,
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outside the womb, normally with a do not resuscitate.
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28 of those were born alive and viable in Alberta,
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It's the ultimate third rail in Canadian politics.
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and not think we've got to do something, Nigel.
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Well, first of all, let's dispose of a couple of things.
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one is there is no credibility issue here when i first arrived in alberta 25 years ago the alberta
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report our distinguished ancestor had just published a story about live births at at the
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general hospital they had a nurse who spoke to them they had names they had everything
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And this particular nurse explained how when babies were born alive after an abortion, they just put them on the slab and let them die.
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And in the end, they told the nurses, just shut up and do your job.
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And it's been going on for 25 years that I can speak to, and I'm sure it was going on
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before that. And then in the Western Standard, a few days ago, Richard Durr, who is a pro-life
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activist, he's definitely going to do it. Yeah, pro-life Alberta, yeah. I mean,
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this is not an entirely impartial source. Nevertheless, in a letter from Alberta's
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Health Minister Adriana Lagrange. He quotes this line, please know that there is no evidence of
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live birth abortions in Alberta. I mean, that's just not true. We had 28. This is from the Canadian
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Institute of Health Information. That's not some right-wing pro-life Christian fanatic.
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Exactly. And I don't know whether Ms. LaGrange wrote that herself or whether that was prepared for a signature by somebody within the ministry, but it is not true.
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And that is one of the difficulties that we have with this whole issue is knowing what to believe, because the people who want abortion and like abortion and feel that it's a right for women will certainly deny, deny, deny.
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Anyway, in my earlier incarnation while I was on an editorial board, I visited an abortion clinic with other members of the editorial board.
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We sat down with somebody who was performing abortions.
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And I said, doesn't it bother you that the thing that you are trying to abort is feeling pain?
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when you see images where the needle goes in the fetus the baby is squirming and riddling and
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trying to get away from it it is the most horrific thing to of course they feel bloody pain what do
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these people believe so it is incredibly hard to have a sensible conversation about abortion
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because people will deny what is manifestly obvious.
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And you have, I mean, I use CIHI statistics all the time
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I have no reason to believe that they are wrong
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That's not even just late-term, that's live abortions
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uh and the child is still yeah so i you know this was something i didn't i didn't get i had to i
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had to ask the question if you are attacking a baby inside a womb with the standard vacuum cleaner
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apparatus that we read about how does anything survive being sucked into a jet engine well
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the answer is that in certain circumstances they don't use that technology they use the injection
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and then they hold the baby out with the forceps.
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This is pretty graphic stuff, and I apologize for people who are put off for it.
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And by the way, in this tragic situation, this is not an anti-woman rant on my part.
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So often, the people who want the abortion more than the woman is the man who's involved in the case.
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There's a lot of women who have abortions who don't actually want them, but somebody else does.
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Anyway, leaving that aside, and God bless the people who do it, who regret it, here we have this frightful situation where the baby comes out and they just leave it on the slab.
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And a lot of people don't even realize it or know it.
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I think it's through Morgenthaler in the past where that came about.
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We just have nothing there, which technically means there's nothing to stop this.
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And we, you know, countries, most countries have some degree of regulation.
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And we're getting well beyond that when live babies are being delivered.
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Look, if you snip the umbilical cord, even a premature one, and put it into an incubator,
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But even you think that there's got the alliance.
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can be drawn and right now when we have that void but no
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politician wants to touch it with a ten foot pole
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also because anyone who says there should be a line
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they'll say well that's just the slippery slope
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there was a great old movie that really didn't do
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others, but it kind of showed the insanity of both sides.
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It was a, a glue huffer who was found pregnant and pro-lifers have gotten
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hold of her and it turned into a big fight between the crazed pro-life bunches
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And it really did show both sides as being fanatically crazed on each end of it,
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And I mean, it's serious business, but I mean, it really, there's no room
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Back when I was, you know, I'll give it a little personal.
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we went to, cause we weren't sure what we wanted to do. And we went down town. It used to be out
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by the Cecil, actually the family planning clinic. But, uh, and by the way, that's my son. We made
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our choice to keep, but when we chatted about it, we wanted to hear all options. We really did.
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But that person, the counselor or whatever sat with us, there was only one option in her world.
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Abort, abort, abort, abort. That's all she was doing was convincing. You guys are too young.
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You aren't in a condition to deal with this. You really must. And we can set you up and giving it.
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well, again, what were the other options? What about adoption? What about supports if we want
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to raise it ourselves? All of that. We didn't get any of that. That's just one example. But that
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really did sour me on the advocates for this. We really did want to come in there and hear about
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all the options on the table. We've got advocates who are married to one end or another. And those
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advocates are, again, they want no regulation under any circumstance. I don't want to see it
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There's advocates on some end who want to see it, you know,
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And I think viability is kind of where we can start.
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You know, I think, Derek, we want to see a few lines drawn around life at the other end, too.
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you know towards the end of the first trimester is probably a reasonable place if it's going to
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be after that it's got to be where it's absolutely medically necessary the woman's life is at risk
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that kind of thing but we just are so fixated ideologically in this country i mean look at
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europe these crazy dumbass liberal europeans every single one of them every single european
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Ireland, I think, had it too strict at one point, and a woman
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the conservatives are terrified they don't want to touch it and there are things that actually
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could be done provincially and the provincial government's responsible when i was a provincial
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politician too federal jurisdiction well yes on the criminal code it is the administration of
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health care is provincial and you could decide not to allow this in in these most extreme cases
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because they are not exceedingly rare they're not the majority of abortion cases but they're not rare
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At least what I do to a gopher is a lot more...
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You do it from a distance with a tree, too, aren't you?
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I'm glad that they're bringing it to public attention.
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And hopefully, maybe at least it has some impact on some of the women.
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We also know politically, we've been at it so long, the chances
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of any politician initiated there are not going to...
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So all you can do is public information and hope for the best.
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Farley Falberto, Richard Herr, and the Right Now group.
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I'm not with them on 100% of where they go with these things,
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but I think they've done a real public service bringing this forward
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This wasn't a bunch of graphic images designed to turn so much stomach.
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Actually, and they did journalism here, going out, getting information,
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The front page of the National Post of the weekend.
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Do I have enough time for mine, but you two get a parting shot.
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Well, yeah, I had something else in mind, but, you know,
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what I would say is that if they did outside the womb to a child,
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what they do inside the womb to an unborn baby,
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Well, and, you know, we don't even, we're not even willing to,
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when a person murders an obviously pregnant woman,
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We don't give them two counts of murder in Canada.
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Even though that's very often, the intent is it's kind of abortion by execution of the mother.
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But I like that Premier Smith has released Bill 11.
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And I just love the irony that I remember Bill 11 when Ralph Klein did it.
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We're looking at health care reform, and he backed off,
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I hope Premier Smith does not, because we need health care reform terribly.
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Please, Ms. Smith, stand your ground on this one.
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Let's get that private-public ability out there,
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because our system's failing and people can't deny it anymore.
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Gentlemen, Nigel, Corey, John, around the studio, thank you very much.
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