Western Standard - November 27, 2025


Did Danielleā€™s demands workļ¼Ÿ


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00:00:00.000 Good day. Today is November 26, 2025. I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the
00:00:29.680 Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.
00:00:32.460 I'm here with the OG
00:00:33.740 Pipeline crew, former Western
00:00:35.560 Standard opinion editor
00:00:37.780 Nigel Hannaford. That would be me.
00:00:40.080 Good to be here. And
00:00:41.640 Western Standard senior Alberta Columbus, Corey Morgan.
00:00:44.080 Always a pleasure.
00:00:45.760 Alright, well, um,
00:00:47.780 we're going to get into one topic
00:00:49.560 that no one likes to talk about because everyone gets
00:00:51.520 angry. We'll probably maybe even get angry with
00:00:53.540 each other on this, uh, on this
00:00:55.540 show here. Uh, we're talking about late
00:00:57.640 term abortions in Canada.
00:00:59.680 We're told it's exceptionally rare and only in medically necessary situations.
00:01:06.420 A new documentary out would seem to show, I think fairly definitively, that that is very much not the case.
00:01:15.140 So we're going to be talking about the touchiest subject you could find in Canada, almost anywhere really,
00:01:22.500 but we're going to talk about late-term abortions.
00:01:27.780 The total recall.
00:01:29.680 against Alberta UCP
00:01:31.800 MLAs continues.
00:01:33.640 I think we're up to, what, six or eight or so?
00:01:36.360 Somewhere around there?
00:01:37.580 14 now. 14 who have bad approved
00:01:39.580 petitions? I believe so, yeah.
00:01:41.460 But I mean, it's just an application form.
00:01:43.460 Yeah, it doesn't mean much yet.
00:01:45.500 But efforts to recall, essentially,
00:01:47.800 enough UCP MLAs
00:01:49.780 to collapse the government for an election, I guess.
00:01:52.300 Be careful what you wish for, guys.
00:01:53.520 I'm not sure you want an election right now.
00:01:55.840 But some people
00:01:57.680 are saying that that process is being
00:01:59.600 abused. We need to change the recall legislation. I'm not so sure. You want recall, you got to
00:02:07.660 accept it when it's used against you too, but we'll get into it. But first, did Danielle Smith's
00:02:12.660 demands of Mark Carney's federal liberal government work? She, the premier, laid down
00:02:21.600 a series of nine demands. I think it may have been earlier in the summer, maybe even the spring,
00:02:26.520 some time ago, she laid down these demands
00:02:29.120 and this is all in the background of the
00:02:32.660 looming, likely-ish
00:02:35.500 Alberta referendum on independence coming, saying, look
00:02:38.600 if you, it was kind of an or else, and she didn't say what the or else was
00:02:42.220 but it was more or less, or else I'm
00:02:44.440 not going to be doing much on the stay side of the referendum
00:02:48.580 I think was kind of the implication
00:02:51.260 I'm not sure if that's fair or not, but
00:02:53.480 she laid out these demands. They were not all about
00:02:57.380 oil and gas development and pipelines, but I'd say
00:03:00.560 the bulk of them were. There were some items on equalization.
00:03:04.020 Surprise! There hasn't been a peep on equalization.
00:03:07.320 Nothing will ever seem to change there.
00:03:10.400 But there does, knock on wood, appear to be some movement
00:03:13.620 on the natural resource development side of things.
00:03:17.540 Tomorrow, Thursday, Daniel Smith and Mark Carney
00:03:20.200 are appearing at the Chamber of Commerce, where they're going to
00:03:23.280 sign or present a memorandum
00:03:25.500 of understanding. MOUs
00:03:27.680 actually don't really mean anything. They're just
00:03:29.360 kind of, it's an agreement to an agreement.
00:03:31.900 I was a bureaucrat for
00:03:33.260 one year of my life, and we signed an MOU.
00:03:35.580 I was like, oh my god, this is a big deal.
00:03:37.260 It was on Internal Free Trade in Canada. Guess what?
00:03:39.560 Nothing came of it!
00:03:41.220 We spent years on it to get an MOU,
00:03:43.420 and nothing came.
00:03:44.980 So,
00:03:45.780 it's about exceptions from the
00:03:49.180 emissions caps,
00:03:51.040 exceptions from the
00:03:52.560 Northwest Coast
00:03:54.720 tanker ban
00:03:55.620 things like that
00:03:58.560 that would make a pipeline
00:04:00.520 feasible
00:04:01.300 but
00:04:03.780 David Eby is saying
00:04:06.520 wait a minute, you can't treat me like an Albertan
00:04:08.300 I get to have some say in this
00:04:10.200 and so he's squawking that he hasn't
00:04:12.720 been consulted and given his permission
00:04:14.280 some of the BC
00:04:16.100 native bans are saying something similar
00:04:18.720 I don't know
00:04:20.740 do we have much to cheer about yet i don't think so all right you know i i would actually love to
00:04:27.160 be cheering about this but here in alberta we spend so much time thinking about it from our
00:04:32.520 point of view that we don't always think about how the federal government is seeing it and how
00:04:38.680 mr carney in particular is seeing it no i mean what does yeah we've got nine demands what does
00:04:45.260 What does Mr. Carney have that he wants to get done?
00:04:49.500 He wants the problem to go away.
00:04:52.100 He wants, actually, the appearance of a settlement.
00:04:57.380 He's just come back from a meeting in Brazil
00:04:59.740 where everybody was talking about how to take the carbon out of the climate,
00:05:06.680 and now he's got to come back, and he's expected to work out something
00:05:10.420 with the premier of Alberta who wants to develop more oil.
00:05:13.700 so what he's doing is building a situation where it looks like he's agreeing but he's got an escape
00:05:22.180 route he won't have to go through with it i am very pessimistic about uh this this uh particular
00:05:28.320 i mean i hope i'm wrong but i actually don't see any good coming out of this
00:05:33.260 he has apart from a constituency that's interested in climate change he himself has made it very
00:05:41.400 clear how he sees the climate change that he's not he wants to he wants to get less carbon emitted
00:05:49.880 he's come up with this crazy idea that in order to produce oil in the west you must
00:05:58.840 dairy an equivalent amount of carbon dioxide to what it took to to make the oil nothing like
00:06:03.560 that in the east where they're importing it and now you just mentioned the condition that bc
00:06:11.400 has to agree and the indigenous peoples there have to agree there is his escape route they will not
00:06:17.720 agree thanks danielle it was great talking but we're not we're not doing anything because bc
00:06:23.000 doesn't well wait a minute you intruded in our space provincially intrude on theirs well you know
00:06:32.040 well bring the bowl of water wash my hands of it yeah well corey none of this requires intrusion
00:06:38.120 actually on provincial jurisdiction.
00:06:40.740 In a provincial trade
00:06:42.420 of this kind, the infrastructure crossing
00:06:44.200 provincial and national boundaries
00:06:45.840 or international boundaries is strict.
00:06:48.420 Federal jurisdiction, the Supreme Court ruled
00:06:50.180 on that. That was, you know, one of
00:06:52.260 the rare times where the Supreme Court's actually
00:06:54.400 made a sensible...
00:06:56.260 It's written in black and white in the British North America
00:06:58.440 Act that assigns the powers
00:07:00.120 one way or another, so it's pretty clear
00:07:02.340 that that's federal jurisdiction.
00:07:04.680 The court ruled that David E.B. and the
00:07:06.140 BC and E.B. have no...
00:07:08.120 standing whatever constitutional standing whatever to interfere uh but i mean we haven't seen the mou
00:07:15.400 yet so i i don't want to prejudge it i just think as albertans we've uh you know we've played the
00:07:21.880 charlie brown football enough by now that maybe we're overly cynical i don't know are we overly
00:07:28.520 cynical here like is he gonna be our bc natives and the bc government um which one of those seniors
00:07:36.520 soon. Who knows? But
00:07:38.440 are they gonna
00:07:40.460 you expect they'll actually be given
00:07:42.480 a real veto of some kind, or it's just
00:07:44.420 you know, the MOU will require
00:07:46.540 some basic duty to
00:07:48.500 consult, which would, that's fine.
00:07:50.460 I actually think that's appropriate.
00:07:53.240 I don't know.
00:07:54.340 Am I overly cynical? Part of it is
00:07:56.120 you're not overly cynical, and part of
00:07:58.380 I was saying to Nigel earlier, and I've got limited
00:08:00.380 what I could say, but a little bird told me there is
00:08:02.520 nothing in the MOU that
00:08:04.420 does give a veto to the First Nations or the province of BC, nor should it because it's not
00:08:09.640 constitutional, as you pointed out, both with First Nations and BC. So Carney has to be a
00:08:15.680 prime minister and he doesn't seem to be willing to. This is fully in his hands. He says it's
00:08:21.200 getting done or it's not. And what's missing in all of this, I think, are not enough discussion.
00:08:25.700 Maybe that'll pop over the MOU. Where's the private proponent? That's the excuse they like
00:08:29.320 using too. There's no private proponent. Well, none of them are going to unless they can get
00:08:33.940 through. So they need to see something with the prime minister saying, this pipe is going to
00:08:40.500 reach the coast. Not this pipe, if we meet this giant long list of conditions, well, nobody's
00:08:45.780 going to pull their wallet out there. No, he's got to be saying, I support this and I'm going to
00:08:50.820 facilitate it. And we can't say that, oh, we'll need 10, 20 years of consultation either, because
00:08:55.400 it's been done already. The Northern Gateway, Enbridge already spent, what, a hundred and
00:09:01.720 some million or some, they've done the consultation.
00:09:04.200 I know it expired, but you know what?
00:09:05.440 The mountains are in the same place.
00:09:06.780 The rivers are in the same spot.
00:09:08.200 If anything, pipelines have gotten even better.
00:09:11.040 We have to fast track this or it's not happening.
00:09:14.440 So it's going to be interesting, as I say,
00:09:16.380 leading into an AGM for Premier Smith to get out
00:09:18.660 and try and tell the members she has accomplished something
00:09:21.940 and there has been progress
00:09:23.360 because they're as cynical as we are for the most part
00:09:28.300 and they want to see her either standing up for Alberta
00:09:31.140 we're actually having an agreement that says
00:09:33.440 this pipe is going to go, not
00:09:34.940 oh, we've got another MOU, we're going to talk
00:09:37.500 about it for 10 more years while it dies on the phone.
00:09:39.820 Corey, to your point,
00:09:41.500 the Western Standard has today
00:09:43.440 published the following comment
00:09:45.420 by Mr. Carney in the House of Commons.
00:09:48.420 Word for words,
00:09:49.320 the memorandum of understanding that we're
00:09:51.300 negotiating with Alberta creates
00:09:53.280 the necessary conditions, but
00:09:55.340 not sufficient conditions because
00:09:57.320 we believe in
00:09:59.020 cooperative federalism. We believe the government of BC has to agree. We believe
00:10:04.780 that First Nations right holders in this country have to agree and support all
00:10:09.880 stakeholders. Already he has laid down conditions under which he says, well I
00:10:15.160 did my best. And there's already First Nations saying that they're never going
00:10:18.300 to support it under any circumstances. That's where we got to get, we got to
00:10:21.620 define that difference between consultation and consent. We aren't
00:10:24.220 obligated to get consent and obviously they're saying they're never going to
00:10:26.980 give it. So at this point, it's either
00:10:28.880 tell them to go get stuffed, we're doing this, or
00:10:30.960 just give up. That's the two options they got.
00:10:32.940 So, I don't know how much of this is Kearney
00:10:35.020 saying one thing. I'm not sure if that was in response
00:10:37.080 to an NDP question or an conservative question.
00:10:39.120 I think it was conservatives were putting him against the wall.
00:10:40.980 Yeah. So,
00:10:42.300 I have a hard time believing that
00:10:44.780 Danielle Smith is going to be willing to
00:10:46.840 stand next to Mark Kearney
00:10:49.000 at a press conference and put
00:10:50.880 her name to something
00:10:52.020 that would give BC and
00:10:54.560 native groups in BC a veto
00:10:56.600 one day before
00:10:58.620 the opening of the UCP convention
00:11:00.840 where she's going to face the most
00:11:02.280 hardcore folks in the right
00:11:04.520 who are, I mean, we've been around
00:11:06.400 these folks, they
00:11:07.060 eat leaders for brunch.
00:11:10.840 So, you know, when she goes
00:11:12.320 into there, she likes to flex her Alberta
00:11:14.220 first bona fides.
00:11:17.120 So I'm hesitant
00:11:18.540 to think
00:11:20.460 that she's going to do this one day before
00:11:22.240 facing that kind of crowd.
00:11:23.660 From what I've heard, like I said,
00:11:26.180 that's not in the MOU so that perhaps tomorrow it might be an interesting conference because if that
00:11:30.960 comes to the opportunity where she might have to put him on the spot there and say well just to
00:11:34.640 clarify this is not giving a veto to such and such and make him answer it there because he was absent
00:11:40.560 from question period on this today anyway so uh that would be a whole different question now if
00:11:45.180 it was a sabotage I mean we really want to see provincial federal relations go bad you know
00:11:49.140 during a conference where they're supposed to be holding hands and smiling uh but I mean if she's
00:11:53.560 being undercut before this thing's even signed
00:11:55.520 perhaps the Premier will have a good enough
00:11:57.660 cause to put him to the question
00:11:59.440 while they're standing in front of the cameras
00:12:00.660 yeah I mean it is
00:12:03.440 I mean the United
00:12:05.380 Conservative Party
00:12:06.420 very much inherited
00:12:08.720 from the Wild Rose the kind of Alberta
00:12:11.480 first
00:12:12.000 strain of DNA
00:12:15.260 in that party's blood
00:12:16.620 actually in many ways
00:12:19.320 I think the UCP is more Alberta first than the Wild
00:12:21.480 Rose was I think that's
00:12:23.420 Just the Overton window was shifted.
00:12:25.020 Well, it's just that the issues are more prescient now, too,
00:12:27.360 than they had been at that time.
00:12:28.560 Yeah.
00:12:29.640 So, I mean, the politics, it's always good politics
00:12:33.720 for the Alberta UCP Premier to be fighting like hell
00:12:37.500 against the federal Liberal Prime Minister.
00:12:39.520 That's good politics.
00:12:41.640 So for her to not play that card
00:12:44.560 and stand next to him at a podium the day before convention
00:12:47.300 leads me to think, in all probability,
00:12:50.080 maybe she's lost her marbles and gone soft,
00:12:52.440 But in all probability, I would bet that she's got a fair degree of faith in it, because she doesn't like, you know, there's going to be some people on the harder, independent, sovereignist, right side of the party who are critics, and they're going to just take a picture of her standing at a podium.
00:13:12.600 and that's a bad meme.
00:13:14.700 That's a bad meme. So if she's going to give them
00:13:16.740 that, she's probably got to
00:13:18.820 have a fair degree of certainty that
00:13:20.620 no, this is a real thing.
00:13:22.980 Well, I think it's going to go one way or the other.
00:13:24.880 There can be a mushy middle on this.
00:13:26.860 She has to be standing at that podium
00:13:28.480 to have something that can be taken
00:13:30.780 to the bank. Like, this is an agreement and she has to
00:13:32.820 have the Prime Minister very strongly saying
00:13:34.720 this is going to get done. Or, if it's
00:13:36.820 some mushy, we're just signing this again and we're
00:13:38.820 going to tread water for months, as you said.
00:13:40.860 well then something has made her addled because she understands that nobody going into an AGM
00:13:45.260 wants a mushy middle position or if it blows up tomorrow that goes well going into an AGM as well
00:13:52.800 because then you give the fire and brimstone speech saying we tried we did everything we could
00:13:57.540 I took my time the day before this to try and come out and do this and he torpedoed us before
00:14:01.680 we could even get it rolling I guess we have to look at other alternatives as Albertans to get
00:14:05.920 our resources to market.
00:14:08.200 But a middle is not going to look good.
00:14:10.580 Yeah, and you know, this is
00:14:11.680 in the context of a probable referendum
00:14:14.120 some point next
00:14:15.920 year on independence.
00:14:18.200 Thank you for all your hard work on that,
00:14:19.960 Thomas Nkazic. I appreciate you
00:14:22.180 volunteering your time
00:14:24.040 and your
00:14:25.520 Winnebago or whatever, driving around Alberta
00:14:27.940 getting signatures so that we can have a vote on independence.
00:14:30.300 It was very generous of the cause.
00:14:32.200 He is forward-thinking sometimes.
00:14:35.920 God, you just can't make this shit up
00:14:38.960 sometimes.
00:14:40.000 He was probably buzzing from the hairspray and wasn't thinking clearly.
00:14:42.940 Yeah, yeah.
00:14:45.360 But anyway, there's a probable
00:14:46.940 referendum on independence coming.
00:14:50.080 I mean,
00:14:51.020 if there is tangible,
00:14:53.460 like, you've got to shovel in the ground
00:14:55.120 somewhere. I mean,
00:14:56.080 no pipeline's going to be done and pumping by that time.
00:14:59.240 I mean, that's not reasonable.
00:15:01.380 But if you've got to shovel in the ground
00:15:02.860 by the time people vote,
00:15:04.000 I think it would
00:15:06.760 make it damn near impossible for the independent
00:15:08.900 side to win that. And I
00:15:10.740 think it is sad that the whole independence argument
00:15:12.880 gets reduced to just pipelines.
00:15:15.080 It is a hell of a lot more
00:15:16.920 than pipelines. In fact,
00:15:18.540 it should maybe be at the bottom
00:15:20.880 of the top five list
00:15:22.860 at this point. I'd say
00:15:24.300 controlling our simple borders might be
00:15:27.000 at the top. If we can't control the Canadian border
00:15:29.000 then let's at least control the Alberta border.
00:15:32.260 A lot of things.
00:15:33.220 but I think in terms of the discussion
00:15:36.920 the independent side always had the much bigger hill to climb to have any chance
00:15:41.420 of winning. If there's real progress and it's like
00:15:45.220 yeah, no, we're actually building this. There's crews out there right now, there's pictures, there's video
00:15:48.600 of guys digging holes and laying pipe
00:15:51.200 I think that kills the chance of winning an independence vote. It would indicate that other things
00:15:57.160 can get done as well. I mean, that's one symbol. So we're saying, well, if it could be negotiated to get
00:16:01.160 the pipeline through, then maybe it's possible to negotiate on immigration or negotiate on
00:16:06.140 equalization or some of those other areas. So it will be a big symbolic win that would undercut
00:16:11.540 the independence movement strongly, but they got to move fast. People are impatient. That's the
00:16:16.960 bottom line. They don't want to see it. I mean, Kearney loves his hockey analogies. Well, it looks
00:16:20.100 to us like he's ragging the puck and we're not, people don't have time for it anymore. Get something
00:16:25.820 going or quit playing us. Well, people in Alberta don't have any time for it anymore. Maybe this
00:16:30.860 plays really well back in central canada very boss and i he's he's taking the cudgels to alberta and
00:16:37.420 he's going to lay about the alberta government but tell them exactly where they stand that's
00:16:42.540 good that won't play well in alberta but that could be christopher's mill in ontario quebec
00:16:47.900 yeah we can't always look at it for our lenses well that's the thing we get it's very easy to
00:16:52.300 forget what might be in it for him yeah because where does some of his mps are getting pretty
00:16:56.940 upset with the possibility. Some of the BC ones
00:16:59.180 are kind of doctrinaire on this
00:17:01.160 stuff. Alright, well, speaking of laying into
00:17:03.040 the Alberta government,
00:17:04.380 let's talk about the
00:17:07.020 recall campaign. We've gotten
00:17:08.900 into this before. So this is
00:17:11.040 coming out of the Alberta
00:17:12.940 UCP government
00:17:14.440 legislating
00:17:17.340 an end to the teacher strike,
00:17:19.260 sending them back to work.
00:17:20.980 They still legislated them a sweetheart deal.
00:17:22.940 I mean, it was a great friggin' deal that they
00:17:24.840 got for themselves. I thought the UCP should have
00:17:26.900 legislated them back to work with a pay cut um like not even more charter charter schools to be
00:17:32.720 transferred as you said i like that yeah yeah actually i don't think they actually should
00:17:35.980 have legislated them back to work i think they just should have stood every day convert a public
00:17:38.840 school into a charter school until the union begs for an end of the strike um walk them out essentially
00:17:44.740 that's not what happened anyway the ata was legislated back to work they lost their shit
00:17:49.840 they went uh they got very very angry the notwithstanding clause was used so it's just
00:17:54.300 bulletproof from legal challenge
00:17:56.080 because the Supreme Court's made some bizarre
00:17:58.380 rulings in the last
00:18:00.340 years where
00:18:00.920 apparently
00:18:03.300 individual rights are also now union rights.
00:18:06.100 Unions have the same rights as individuals.
00:18:08.660 So
00:18:08.760 they lost their mind and they decided
00:18:14.100 to initiate
00:18:16.160 recall campaigns against Alberta UCP
00:18:18.380 MLAs. Some of them seem
00:18:20.200 pretty dumb. They're going after MLAs
00:18:22.220 who had massive margins of victory
00:18:24.280 I guess Daniel Smith had a big margin of victory
00:18:27.080 in Brooks Medicine Hat, but she's the premier
00:18:28.940 she's very symbolic, so they may as well
00:18:31.020 take a shot at that, I guess
00:18:32.460 you know, they're going after other ones
00:18:35.160 who have big margins of victory, like up in
00:18:36.960 Grand Prairie, and then
00:18:39.040 other ones, no, the one that I think is
00:18:41.000 probably their smartest to go after, sorry
00:18:42.940 Demetrios, is the education minister, he's
00:18:44.940 symbolic, he's the education minister, they hate him
00:18:47.140 and Calgary Bowl had an extremely
00:18:48.860 his constituency in Calgary
00:18:51.080 Bowl had a very, very narrow
00:18:52.660 margin of victory for him so strategically or tactically that that's a that's maybe a smarter
00:18:58.180 one but they're going after all sorts of others angela pitt she had a pretty big margin of victory
00:19:01.640 um but they're going after them very clearly based on government policy and a lot in the ucp are
00:19:10.340 stating that well that's not fair game um we need to change the rules around here now some of it
00:19:16.340 i think is more legitimate complaints like uh the legislation says that the people who are
00:19:21.880 canvassing for signatures have to live in the constituency.
00:19:24.860 I actually don't think that should be
00:19:26.160 a rule, necessarily, because constituencies,
00:19:29.280 as I can tell
00:19:30.240 in my experience, get gerrymandered.
00:19:31.980 I strongly differ on that part.
00:19:34.800 Or maybe they
00:19:36.160 have to at least be in an adjacent one.
00:19:38.380 Because constituencies, particularly
00:19:40.240 urban ones, I mean, you live
00:19:42.120 on one side of a street, you're in one
00:19:43.980 constituency, you live on the other side of the street, you're in another.
00:19:46.580 And it's just some
00:19:47.620 dink sitting in a commission somewhere
00:19:50.080 appointed by political parties who drew that.
00:19:51.880 Sometimes I know it. I live 800 meters from a UCP member and I have an NDP member for mine.
00:19:58.860 I'm half a mile out of the border and they gerrymandered it actually because they wanted
00:20:02.120 an NDP rural seat. So they made that one. It frustrates me, but I still think when it comes
00:20:07.320 to overturning an MLA, it should only be the people living under that constituent seat.
00:20:11.640 In an election, you're allowed to campaign in any constituency you want. In fact, people come
00:20:14.920 from other provinces, even other countries in campaign. So, you know, if you're allowed to go
00:20:18.720 and volunteer to elect someone in a different
00:20:20.900 riding. We do it in general elections and
00:20:22.780 by-elections. I think you should be allowed to do it
00:20:24.860 for recall, too. And, you know, let's remember
00:20:26.800 a lot of people who are against
00:20:28.740 what's happening with recall here right now,
00:20:31.140 we were all gearing
00:20:32.820 up to recall Jason Kenney, but
00:20:34.720 from the right. Yeah, that was
00:20:36.680 province-wide. That was
00:20:38.220 no, but to recall him in his own seat. He was
00:20:40.740 going to probably end up getting recalled if
00:20:42.240 until essentially the party recalled
00:20:44.840 him by forcing a leadership review
00:20:46.780 of him. They recalled him at the leadership
00:20:48.580 level, but he was good to otherwise probably get recalled
00:20:50.640 at the MLA level.
00:20:53.380 So, I guess there's
00:20:54.760 two points. One is,
00:20:56.400 the rules are you have to live in the right.
00:20:58.460 I don't think it's a good rule, but that is the rule, and that appears
00:21:00.680 very much to be aggressively violated
00:21:02.800 by the organizers here.
00:21:06.140 I think the UCB
00:21:06.960 have got a point there, even if I think it's a
00:21:08.740 bad part of the law, where I think
00:21:10.760 they don't have a point. They're saying, well, you're just
00:21:12.640 disagreeing with us on government policy.
00:21:14.560 you have to have a very specific
00:21:16.860 reason, some kind of misconduct
00:21:18.900 to recall someone.
00:21:20.920 I don't think so again.
00:21:23.080 You've got...
00:21:24.280 What's...
00:21:25.080 What's a big deal for someone might not be?
00:21:29.080 Like Bev Oda.
00:21:30.460 People got pissed off because they had $28 glass of orange juice.
00:21:33.280 I mean, this is part of it.
00:21:34.040 It was $15.
00:21:34.960 With inflation, it's $28.
00:21:38.080 $16 glass of orange juice.
00:21:39.700 That is not a serious thing, but it blew up into a serious thing.
00:21:42.420 So then, is a judge going to sit there
00:21:44.300 and say, well, this is worthy of recall
00:21:46.420 and this is not
00:21:47.200 broken promises. Sometimes
00:21:50.180 promises are legitimately broken.
00:21:52.340 You made a promise, you got in,
00:21:54.160 turns out the facts on the ground are different, or the government's got
00:21:56.260 no money. Hey, we don't actually have money for this anymore.
00:21:59.300 Are we really going to
00:22:00.380 have a court
00:22:02.060 decide if a politician broke his promise
00:22:04.280 or if this scandal
00:22:05.700 is serious or non-serious?
00:22:09.180 I think the UCP are kind of
00:22:10.280 grasping at straws on this thing, saying that, well,
00:22:12.120 you have to have a better reason that you disagree with
00:22:14.140 They pulled the trigger on the government's own policy.
00:22:16.620 It's the sort of thing I've done in the past.
00:22:17.940 My NDP nomination run, when they left it wide open
00:22:20.460 for anybody to register and be on there.
00:22:23.540 And then it's amazing they changed their policies
00:22:25.220 within two weeks.
00:22:26.200 And suddenly I disappeared as an NBC nomination candidate.
00:22:29.420 Let's make sure we pull up a picture
00:22:30.440 from Corey's nomination.
00:22:32.780 I ran hard.
00:22:34.480 Yeah, you ran for the nomination.
00:22:35.860 Was it Bafkana Askes?
00:22:36.880 Yes, yes.
00:22:37.560 You had the, pardon the language,
00:22:39.160 you had the pussy hat and everything.
00:22:40.520 Yeah, it was probably dressed in NDP wear for the time.
00:22:43.260 And then they shut down my campaign.
00:22:45.560 But that's using their policies again.
00:22:47.460 So that's what they're doing with the recall.
00:22:49.360 As annoying as it may be.
00:22:50.700 It's fair game.
00:22:51.360 It is.
00:22:52.180 And I don't think as long as those rules are followed that they're going to succeed in many, if any of them, as you said.
00:22:58.500 Highwood, they're going after RJ Sigurdsson.
00:23:00.540 They've never had under 70% support for the UCP there.
00:23:04.060 I would not want to be a door knocker going to the door saying, hey, will you sign this petition with your name addressed?
00:23:09.660 Because that's the thing people got to realize.
00:23:10.680 But right now, all they're doing is putting in a form and a fee.
00:23:14.220 Anybody can do that.
00:23:15.200 That takes 20 minutes.
00:23:17.020 The news is reporting it as if there's this wave.
00:23:19.480 Well, then there's a vote on if there will be a bioactivity.
00:23:22.400 Yeah.
00:23:22.920 So this is a long process.
00:23:24.980 So you have to get signatures from 60% of the people who voted in the last election within a time frame.
00:23:30.340 You can't flood it with outside help.
00:23:32.340 And rest assured, there will be a lot of UCP supporters who will want to see a couple of violations because that'll give them an excuse to say this is invalid and thrown out.
00:23:40.680 Uh, as you said, cover bow is maybe the closest they could come to it, but even then that's
00:23:45.100 a tough task.
00:23:46.100 I mean, not everybody's eager to see a by-election or whatnot.
00:23:48.580 Even some who don't like the MLA, they might say, well, I'll still hang on till, uh, the
00:23:53.740 next election.
00:23:54.740 I like recall and referendum legislation.
00:23:56.780 I like using Switzerland as a model, but something that's different there is the citizens
00:24:00.300 take it very seriously.
00:24:01.820 So if somebody shows up with a frivolous campaign at their door and says, well, you
00:24:04.820 signed this, they'll say, no, I'm not interested.
00:24:07.160 Not that Canadian politeness, I'll just sign.
00:24:09.040 It's just, I don't like this.
00:24:10.880 I won't sign.
00:24:12.020 So it's incumbent, I think, on the citizens.
00:24:14.660 It's time for that culture to develop here.
00:24:16.480 Like they haven't had initiative.
00:24:17.520 We haven't had recall.
00:24:18.420 No, any practical way.
00:24:19.460 Pretty much now.
00:24:20.800 They're putting it to the test.
00:24:22.000 You know, really, once people, if people get the idea that this is a serious effort by the opposition to defrone the government,
00:24:30.760 not just take out an MLA who has been an idiot,
00:24:36.220 then the tide is going to turn against this recall.
00:24:39.640 Now, that's the thing.
00:24:40.680 They have to get that message out
00:24:42.340 because otherwise people are saying,
00:24:44.340 oh, whatever, you know.
00:24:46.380 Yeah.
00:24:46.740 Like different stuff.
00:24:47.620 But the complaint is saying,
00:24:49.420 like the UCP is talking about changing some of the rules.
00:24:52.860 They haven't said definitively.
00:24:54.800 Yeah.
00:24:55.140 I'm not sure how you can
00:24:56.200 because it becomes pretty subjective
00:24:57.540 when you're getting into what he is or isn't.
00:24:59.400 It really should be.
00:25:00.180 I think on a communications
00:25:02.480 front you can say that these guys are being frivolous
00:25:04.600 or wrong, just don't change the rules
00:25:06.560 like the example I use is Dar Hetherington
00:25:08.540 I keep bringing her up, and for those who remember, you might not
00:25:10.580 have been in Alberta at the time yet, she was
00:25:12.580 a city councillor in Lethbridge
00:25:14.220 who went very much off the rails
00:25:16.580 a fake kidnapping story, took off to
00:25:18.500 Las Vegas, very bizarre
00:25:19.840 but they couldn't get rid of her, she still
00:25:22.580 had that seat on council and as
00:25:24.480 loopy as she'd been and so on
00:25:26.440 she potentially could have been stuck in there for
00:25:28.500 years because you just have no
00:25:30.680 mechanism to have somebody
00:25:32.740 even though they've proven themselves just
00:25:34.280 to, you know, she needs treatment
00:25:36.560 not a seat, you know, I mean just
00:25:38.140 it's a mental health thing. Oh no, are you
00:25:40.640 sure it's left? I thought it was in Edmonton.
00:25:42.440 It was left bridge.
00:25:44.240 You're thinking of
00:25:45.200 Tucker Gomberg and that poor
00:25:48.640 fellow ended up committing suicide jumping off Confederation
00:25:50.580 Bridge. He wanted to flood the Edmonton city streets
00:25:52.580 to build, so people could skate to work.
00:25:55.400 I've heard worse ideas for Edmonton.
00:25:56.860 yeah but he was a city councillor but similar sorts of things you see when they are so clearly
00:26:00.540 though something has happened or whatever they've done something where they just are no longer fit
00:26:04.380 we don't have a mechanism to remove them but theoretically it should just only be when it
00:26:08.860 gets that bad before you really start doing it but how do you put yeah how do you put gates to
00:26:14.380 make sure that doesn't help mess some and i'm not saying this is the ucp's plan it's not as far as
00:26:19.180 we know but you know some prominent voices within it are saying you know and some of the mlas being
00:26:23.500 subject to this or saying well no the rules should say like there has to be clear misconduct well
00:26:28.380 what that means that's going to become a legal case and yeah misconduct's a different thing too
00:26:33.520 yeah okay so look hey sean chu the calgary city councillor uh was in pretty hot water but he was
00:26:38.940 never charged and convicted with a crime he did some things which were questionable a long time
00:26:44.500 ago and voters deserved to render their decision uh but he kind of the way with advance voting he
00:26:51.220 still got elected couldn't be recalled okay but is it always criminal behavior like not
00:26:57.240 many are going to be i think criminal makes it more clear they'll often just resign its race
00:27:02.020 anyways but uh it's it's those but also what like what if it's um you know a politician
00:27:07.140 refuses to hand over their gun to the cops okay well that's criminal technically but so okay like
00:27:14.180 it just gets way too subjective you have recall or you don't have recall and the general will
00:27:21.040 The thumb is, you're going to agree with the reason
00:27:22.920 when it's a politician you don't like
00:27:24.960 and you want to recall, and you're going to disagree with it
00:27:27.020 when it's a politician you do like who's on your side.
00:27:29.020 Well, if a person's principled, they wouldn't.
00:27:30.380 I wouldn't want to see one against Nietzsche, because it would just
00:27:32.940 be a waste of paper, a waste of pounding
00:27:34.940 the street. I'd love to see Nietzsche gone. I've got no use
00:27:36.860 for the man. But I wouldn't sign the petition.
00:27:38.520 He was popularly elected in
00:27:40.920 Edmonton Strathcona. Nobody other than
00:27:42.940 NDP is ever going to win that seat. Quit wasting
00:27:44.980 time. Let's get on the bigger issues.
00:27:47.900 But, yeah. Well, it's interesting
00:27:49.080 to see what's going to happen, because if they come out and
00:27:50.760 shoot down their own legislation, it will undercut
00:27:52.860 the ECP and it's going to look bad. It'll look bad.
00:27:55.000 It would look bad if they did. I think they
00:27:56.820 could, you know, there's some tweaking
00:27:58.900 on the administrative side.
00:28:00.800 I actually think you should not have to live specifically
00:28:02.900 in the constituency because
00:28:04.640 the boundaries are so often arbitrary. You're on
00:28:06.880 one side of the street or you're on the other.
00:28:08.740 Maybe they should say you have to live in it or
00:28:10.820 in an adjacent riding to it. So like you're living
00:28:12.820 in the general area. So
00:28:14.800 even a gerrymandered riding, people
00:28:16.820 who are naturally a part of that area can still
00:28:18.760 participate. I think that...
00:28:20.740 can't vote well no no only people in that riding can vote and sign a petition to recall but they
00:28:25.600 could go into there and you know carry up on the shores and carry petitions yeah because we allow
00:28:30.460 it for elections why would we not allow it for this that's well maybe we shouldn't allow it for
00:28:33.940 elections but with elections it's a party and it's a provincial wide thing which is a little different
00:28:37.480 I mean we know exactly what will happen if you open it up all gill is you gotta buy electric
00:28:42.760 yeah people people come in from around the country to go for a bar and that's what will happen with
00:28:47.620 if we open it right up.
00:28:48.800 So old Gil and his gang of union hacks
00:28:50.540 are just going to flood into a constituency
00:28:52.380 and pound every door a hundred times over.
00:28:54.720 People will sign just to get these union nuts
00:28:56.380 to stop harassing them.
00:28:57.460 Well, that's what people were going to do
00:28:58.340 against Jason Kenney,
00:28:59.160 but from the right,
00:28:59.880 they shouldn't have done that either
00:29:01.700 on the local level.
00:29:03.240 Get rid of them as a leader,
00:29:04.320 but as far as an MLA goes,
00:29:05.800 I think that's up to the constituents.
00:29:07.580 Yeah.
00:29:07.780 Well, in this case,
00:29:08.460 the conservatives have a fairly thin majority.
00:29:11.120 So actually, if you got just a few,
00:29:12.960 boom, all of a sudden,
00:29:14.660 the government's lost its majority.
00:29:16.120 And at that point,
00:29:16.660 you're not going to get byline.
00:29:17.620 The premier just calls an election, which is what would happen.
00:29:22.020 And, I mean, you never know what's going to happen, but based on the polls, I don't think it's going to be...
00:29:27.540 It could be a careful what you wish for circumstances, like Fabio and his referendum petition.
00:29:33.380 Thanks for that. Thanks for calling an early election.
00:29:38.040 Because I tell you, there's a lot of people in the ECP who would like to call an early election.
00:29:42.200 Renew their mandate.
00:29:43.020 They're strong in the polls. They got money in the bank. They're ready for an election.
00:29:47.620 but it looks bad to call an early election,
00:29:50.240 especially when you've got a fixed election date.
00:29:51.920 Daniel Smith remembers what happened to Jim Prentice.
00:29:54.500 I mean, this would give them all the
00:29:56.080 excuse that they need. That'd be a pretty
00:29:58.020 good one. Okay.
00:30:02.100 Oh, jeez. Okay.
00:30:03.840 We're going to talk about this one.
00:30:06.680 Late-tabber abortions.
00:30:11.040 So, I think
00:30:11.840 what's called Right Now, it's a
00:30:13.840 kind of student pro-life group
00:30:15.580 came out to put out
00:30:17.120 a documentary
00:30:19.560 around late-term abortions
00:30:22.240 and then, what's the term?
00:30:24.540 Live birth of abortions.
00:30:27.180 Which is
00:30:27.620 about the most horrific form
00:30:30.160 it can take.
00:30:33.260 I mean, we're told
00:30:33.960 late-term, Canada is
00:30:36.160 pretty much the only country, if not the only
00:30:38.240 country on the planet that has no
00:30:40.200 legislative framework of any
00:30:42.180 kind around abortion.
00:30:44.420 It's just kind of a black hole.
00:30:45.700 It's a legislative poll. It's not technically legal. It's not technically illegal. It's just there, floating in space. And we're told that late-term abortions do not happen on an elective basis. It's just not a thing. They're extremely rare, and they're for medically necessary purposes.
00:31:08.720 and if that was the case where you know like if a woman is going to die i mean of course we should
00:31:15.860 not have two people die that it's uh it's a terrible situation but yeah of course i think
00:31:21.820 most people would agree with that um but that is not actually what is happening here so this group
00:31:28.640 they um they put out their documentary and they went around to a number of abortion clinics
00:31:34.440 Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal, I think.
00:31:37.060 And
00:31:37.440 it was a woman. She went in
00:31:40.020 over 20 weeks pregnant.
00:31:42.820 Says, I want an abortion.
00:31:44.460 I'm like, okay. Like, no problem.
00:31:46.480 Casual. No problem. She says,
00:31:48.280 any restrictions?
00:31:50.180 I'm like, no.
00:31:51.860 She's like, do I have to be at risk or anything?
00:31:53.820 I just want to end it.
00:31:56.420 She's obviously got an undercover
00:31:57.760 camera here.
00:31:59.960 And they're just
00:32:00.540 like, blase
00:32:03.400 this is just a normal
00:32:06.160 administrative thing.
00:32:08.020 They don't even say,
00:32:10.040 are you sure? Have you thought about this?
00:32:12.520 It's just, yeah, okay.
00:32:14.000 Step right up. Don't be shy.
00:32:17.140 But they've got some
00:32:18.220 damning numbers.
00:32:22.900 So these
00:32:23.700 late-term abortions
00:32:26.560 the KEN Institute for Health
00:32:30.160 Information says
00:32:31.380 it's normally over a thousand
00:32:33.780 a year.
00:32:35.860 Normally, this, I think last year
00:32:37.520 was down a bit, but it was normally well over a thousand.
00:32:40.460 There were, not including
00:32:41.760 Quebec, I guess Quebec's got different numbers,
00:32:43.720 there were 123
00:32:45.020 live birth abortions,
00:32:47.660 and that is where they attempt
00:32:49.580 to kill the fetus inside the womb,
00:32:52.680 and then they go
00:32:53.660 to remove it, the child's removed
00:32:55.780 and it's still alive,
00:32:57.600 and then they kill it
00:32:59.260 outside the womb, normally with a do not resuscitate.
00:33:02.780 28 of those were born alive and viable in Alberta,
00:33:08.360 alone and allowed to die.
00:33:10.960 I hate this topic, but I watched this thing.
00:33:15.120 It's the ultimate third rail in Canadian politics.
00:33:18.440 You can't watch this and read this
00:33:21.140 and not think we've got to do something, Nigel.
00:33:24.640 Yes.
00:33:25.980 Well, first of all, let's dispose of a couple of things.
00:33:29.260 one is there is no credibility issue here when i first arrived in alberta 25 years ago the alberta
00:33:36.540 report our distinguished ancestor had just published a story about live births at at the
00:33:47.980 general hospital they had a nurse who spoke to them they had names they had everything
00:33:52.860 And this particular nurse explained how when babies were born alive after an abortion, they just put them on the slab and let them die.
00:34:02.900 And there was scandal and outrage.
00:34:05.500 And in the end, they told the nurses, just shut up and do your job.
00:34:10.340 And that was the government approach.
00:34:14.780 But it happens.
00:34:16.240 It really does happen.
00:34:18.140 It's not as rare as we were told.
00:34:19.400 And it's been going on for 25 years that I can speak to, and I'm sure it was going on
00:34:24.120 before that. And then in the Western Standard, a few days ago, Richard Durr, who is a pro-life
00:34:33.320 activist, he's definitely going to do it. Yeah, pro-life Alberta, yeah. I mean,
00:34:37.480 this is not an entirely impartial source. Nevertheless, in a letter from Alberta's
00:34:42.840 Health Minister Adriana Lagrange. He quotes this line, please know that there is no evidence of
00:34:49.800 live birth abortions in Alberta. I mean, that's just not true. We had 28. This is from the Canadian
00:35:00.680 Institute of Health Information. That's not some right-wing pro-life Christian fanatic.
00:35:06.920 Exactly. And I don't know whether Ms. LaGrange wrote that herself or whether that was prepared for a signature by somebody within the ministry, but it is not true.
00:35:20.420 And that is one of the difficulties that we have with this whole issue is knowing what to believe, because the people who want abortion and like abortion and feel that it's a right for women will certainly deny, deny, deny.
00:35:35.880 Anyway, in my earlier incarnation while I was on an editorial board, I visited an abortion clinic with other members of the editorial board.
00:35:47.120 We sat down with somebody who was performing abortions.
00:35:51.100 And I said, doesn't it bother you that the thing that you are trying to abort is feeling pain?
00:35:59.360 You wouldn't even do that to a puppy.
00:36:01.400 Oh, they don't feel pain.
00:36:03.720 That is just not true.
00:36:04.940 when you see images where the needle goes in the fetus the baby is squirming and riddling and
00:36:15.980 trying to get away from it it is the most horrific thing to of course they feel bloody pain what do
00:36:21.840 these people believe so it is incredibly hard to have a sensible conversation about abortion
00:36:30.220 because people will deny what is manifestly obvious.
00:36:34.880 And you have, I mean, I use CIHI statistics all the time
00:36:40.440 when I'm talking about COVID.
00:36:42.160 I have no reason to believe that they are wrong
00:36:46.000 when they say that there were a thousand,
00:36:49.820 hundreds to a thousand live births.
00:36:53.580 That's not even just late-term, that's live abortions
00:36:56.200 where a late-term abortion fails.
00:36:58.900 Right.
00:36:59.180 uh and the child is still yeah so i you know this was something i didn't i didn't get i had to i
00:37:05.340 had to ask the question if you are attacking a baby inside a womb with the standard vacuum cleaner
00:37:15.020 apparatus that we read about how does anything survive being sucked into a jet engine well
00:37:21.580 the answer is that in certain circumstances they don't use that technology they use the injection
00:37:27.900 and then they hold the baby out with the forceps.
00:37:32.620 This is pretty graphic stuff, and I apologize for people who are put off for it.
00:37:38.340 And by the way, in this tragic situation, this is not an anti-woman rant on my part.
00:37:46.920 So often, the people who want the abortion more than the woman is the man who's involved in the case.
00:37:52.440 There's a lot of women who have abortions who don't actually want them, but somebody else does.
00:37:57.900 Anyway, leaving that aside, and God bless the people who do it, who regret it, here we have this frightful situation where the baby comes out and they just leave it on the slab.
00:38:16.000 Where is the humanity?
00:38:19.440 And people don't like discussing it.
00:38:22.060 It's a squeamish, challenging area.
00:38:25.480 And a lot of people don't even realize it or know it.
00:38:27.540 We are unregulated, as Derek said.
00:38:29.160 I think it's through Morgenthaler in the past where that came about.
00:38:31.520 We just have nothing there, which technically means there's nothing to stop this.
00:38:36.340 And we, you know, countries, most countries have some degree of regulation.
00:38:40.280 They draw a line, usually around viability.
00:38:42.800 Yeah.
00:38:43.340 Kind of third trimester.
00:38:44.780 Yeah.
00:38:45.360 And we're getting well beyond that when live babies are being delivered.
00:38:48.340 And this is really problematic.
00:38:49.920 And we've got to quit making that excuse.
00:38:51.500 Look, if you snip the umbilical cord, even a premature one, and put it into an incubator,
00:38:55.100 and then somebody came along and stabbed it,
00:38:56.800 they will be charged with murder.
00:38:58.720 But if it turns out they're saying,
00:39:00.100 well, I wanted an abortion,
00:39:01.080 well, then we'll let that same child,
00:39:02.500 same one, die.
00:39:04.860 Now we're playing semantics with a murder
00:39:06.560 is what we're doing.
00:39:08.080 And I know nobody likes to talk about it.
00:39:09.760 I'm a libertarian.
00:39:10.520 I do believe, you know,
00:39:12.140 that's a separate discussion,
00:39:13.140 an early term ability to do that.
00:39:16.640 You've been pro-choice for a very long time.
00:39:19.660 I have.
00:39:20.020 But even you think that there's got the alliance.
00:39:21.920 The line has to be somewhere in viability.
00:39:23.620 we've got a lot of science to start in other
00:39:25.680 countries we could look at with where a line
00:39:27.800 can be drawn and right now when we have that void but no
00:39:29.800 politician wants to touch it with a ten foot pole
00:39:31.740 also because anyone who says there should be a line
00:39:33.640 somewhere even an extremely
00:39:35.600 generous
00:39:37.520 to the pro-choice side line
00:39:39.800 they'll say well that's just the slippery slope
00:39:41.680 you know it's become so fanatical
00:39:43.740 there was a great old movie that really didn't do
00:39:45.700 that great I think but it was called Citizen
00:39:47.740 Ruth if you might remember it from the early
00:39:49.900 90s it had Burt Reynolds and a few
00:39:51.880 others, but it kind of showed the insanity of both sides.
00:39:54.120 It was a, a glue huffer who was found pregnant and pro-lifers have gotten
00:39:58.300 hold of her and it turned into a big fight between the crazed pro-life bunches
00:40:02.360 and the crazed pro-choice bunches.
00:40:03.820 And it really did show both sides as being fanatically crazed on each end of it,
00:40:07.560 kind of.
00:40:08.780 And I mean, it's serious business, but I mean, it really, there's no room
00:40:14.140 for nuance anymore.
00:40:15.560 Back when I was, you know, I'll give it a little personal.
00:40:17.000 When I was 20, I had gotten a girl pregnant.
00:40:19.960 we went to, cause we weren't sure what we wanted to do. And we went down town. It used to be out
00:40:24.880 by the Cecil, actually the family planning clinic. But, uh, and by the way, that's my son. We made
00:40:30.660 our choice to keep, but when we chatted about it, we wanted to hear all options. We really did.
00:40:35.280 But that person, the counselor or whatever sat with us, there was only one option in her world.
00:40:39.740 Abort, abort, abort, abort. That's all she was doing was convincing. You guys are too young.
00:40:43.860 You aren't in a condition to deal with this. You really must. And we can set you up and giving it.
00:40:48.560 well, again, what were the other options? What about adoption? What about supports if we want
00:40:53.140 to raise it ourselves? All of that. We didn't get any of that. That's just one example. But that
00:40:58.220 really did sour me on the advocates for this. We really did want to come in there and hear about
00:41:02.080 all the options on the table. We've got advocates who are married to one end or another. And those
00:41:10.360 advocates are, again, they want no regulation under any circumstance. I don't want to see it
00:41:15.800 There's advocates on some end who want to see it, you know,
00:41:18.280 illegalized from the point of conception.
00:41:21.600 I would like to see a line drawn somewhere.
00:41:23.980 And I think viability is kind of where we can start.
00:41:26.420 Well, yeah.
00:41:29.440 You know, I think, Derek, we want to see a few lines drawn around life at the other end, too.
00:41:34.720 Medical assistance and dying.
00:41:36.100 I think we've erased lines at both ends.
00:41:41.180 That's a damn good point.
00:41:42.420 I mean, where you draw the line
00:41:45.820 I mean, there's only one really clear line
00:41:47.820 and that would be the hard pro-life side
00:41:49.400 which is conception
00:41:50.300 Okay, I'm not prepared to draw it there
00:41:53.600 Even if you think
00:41:55.980 that is life
00:41:57.420 I actually do think that's probably
00:41:59.440 where life is created
00:42:01.140 It's a big debate, it's a tough one
00:42:02.980 Yeah, I mean, that is probably where life is
00:42:04.720 but I mean, it's just not a practical place
00:42:07.320 to draw it
00:42:08.660 Somewhere
00:42:10.960 you know towards the end of the first trimester is probably a reasonable place if it's going to
00:42:15.500 be after that it's got to be where it's absolutely medically necessary the woman's life is at risk
00:42:20.640 that kind of thing but we just are so fixated ideologically in this country i mean look at
00:42:28.580 europe these crazy dumbass liberal europeans every single one of them every single european
00:42:36.460 country has. Some lie
00:42:38.080 somewhere, and there's a spectrum
00:42:40.540 about where they are.
00:42:42.100 Ireland, I think, had it too strict at one point, and a woman
00:42:44.320 died as a result. That was too far
00:42:46.500 in one way.
00:42:48.440 But very, very liberal countries,
00:42:50.720 France, Germany,
00:42:52.600 Britain,
00:42:53.580 Spain, all these run-by-lefty
00:42:56.840 countries, they all
00:42:58.480 don't allow this.
00:43:00.520 This is not cool.
00:43:04.080 And I get
00:43:04.880 the conservatives are terrified they don't want to touch it and there are things that actually
00:43:08.000 could be done provincially and the provincial government's responsible when i was a provincial
00:43:10.960 politician too federal jurisdiction well yes on the criminal code it is the administration of
00:43:15.840 health care is provincial and you could decide not to allow this in in these most extreme cases
00:43:21.760 because they are not exceedingly rare they're not the majority of abortion cases but they're not rare
00:43:28.480 And they are brutally violent.
00:43:32.100 As I said, you wouldn't do it to a puppy.
00:43:35.240 I wouldn't do it to a gopher.
00:43:38.520 At least what I do to a gopher is a lot more...
00:43:42.360 Jesus.
00:43:43.160 You do it from a distance with a tree, too, aren't you?
00:43:45.260 Here's the reality, too.
00:43:47.220 I'm glad that they're bringing it to public attention.
00:43:50.220 And hopefully, maybe at least it has some impact on some of the women.
00:43:53.900 young women are making decisions
00:43:56.220 and planning and maybe see the horrors
00:43:58.220 of what waiting too long might turn into.
00:43:59.800 What's another doctor? This is ghoulish.
00:44:01.380 That too. This is ghoulish.
00:44:03.400 We also know politically, we've been at it so long, the chances
00:44:05.760 of any politician initiated there are not going to...
00:44:07.800 No one's going to touch this.
00:44:09.240 So all you can do is public information and hope for the best.
00:44:12.020 Right now, anyways, unless
00:44:13.160 something dramatically changes.
00:44:16.120 Okay. I hated that.
00:44:18.740 But, you know what?
00:44:20.420 So anyway, hats off.
00:44:21.480 Farley Falberto, Richard Herr, and the Right Now group.
00:44:25.980 I'm not with them on 100% of where they go with these things,
00:44:28.660 but I think they've done a real public service bringing this forward
00:44:31.500 in a very tasteful way.
00:44:33.920 This wasn't a bunch of graphic images designed to turn so much stomach.
00:44:36.620 I think they made a logical argument.
00:44:39.020 Actually, and they did journalism here, going out, getting information,
00:44:42.380 video, proving their case.
00:44:44.000 So hats off to them.
00:44:45.460 That was good work.
00:44:46.500 The front page of the National Post of the weekend.
00:44:48.900 Yeah.
00:44:49.520 Nice, good fun.
00:44:50.680 Okay.
00:44:52.580 Do I have enough time for mine, but you two get a parting shot.
00:44:55.160 We'll start with Nigel.
00:44:57.700 Well, yeah, I had something else in mind, but, you know,
00:45:01.040 what I would say is that if they did outside the womb to a child,
00:45:03.880 what they do inside the womb to an unborn baby,
00:45:07.160 we wouldn't be having this discussion.
00:45:08.760 It wouldn't be allowed.
00:45:09.700 Yeah.
00:45:10.140 Well, and, you know, we don't even, we're not even willing to,
00:45:13.080 when a person murders an obviously pregnant woman,
00:45:18.120 We don't give them two counts of murder in Canada.
00:45:20.820 Even though that's very often, the intent is it's kind of abortion by execution of the mother.
00:45:26.860 You don't want to talk about it.
00:45:27.760 It's a man who doesn't want the child.
00:45:29.080 That happens.
00:45:30.160 And they still only get one count of murder.
00:45:35.700 God, we're messed up.
00:45:36.900 Corey, take us to another topic.
00:45:38.540 I'll just go quick.
00:45:39.340 It's health care, but not nearly as rough.
00:45:41.580 But I like that Premier Smith has released Bill 11.
00:45:44.440 And I just love the irony that I remember Bill 11 when Ralph Klein did it.
00:45:47.680 Yeah.
00:45:48.020 We're looking at health care reform, and he backed off,
00:45:49.800 and he said that was one of his great regrets.
00:45:51.760 I hope Premier Smith does not, because we need health care reform terribly.
00:45:56.240 Please, Ms. Smith, stand your ground on this one.
00:45:59.180 Let's get that private-public ability out there,
00:46:02.780 because our system's failing and people can't deny it anymore.
00:46:05.840 All right.
00:46:07.640 Gentlemen, Nigel, Corey, John, around the studio, thank you very much.
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