Western Standard - Dying on the hill for Quebec’s dairy industry

00:00:00.000 Good day.

00:00:29.180 welcome to the first episode of the cory morgan show into july the real summer i know it starts

00:00:34.860 in june 21st but i don't i don't really consider it summer until you hit in july and it's toasty

00:00:39.420 out there it's nice for the people like me who love the heat i'm just gonna enjoy it while i

00:00:44.460 can we got lost time to be cold lots going on uh we've got a good guest coming on author lisa joy

00:00:51.740 she wrote the story david milgard wanted told because yeah that story's not over you know we

00:00:56.860 We've got to follow up on these things.

00:00:58.280 We can't let injustices just kind of be forgotten over time.

00:01:02.220 So that's going to be a good chat.

00:01:04.080 We'll be checking in with Grandpa Dave Naylor pretty shortly with some big news.

00:01:08.880 And, well, we'll be having a lot of discussion on other news items too.

00:01:12.660 One thing I've got to get out of the way, it is a live show.

00:01:15.160 So, yes, use that comment section there.

00:01:18.280 Send me questions, comments, things for my guests.

00:01:21.020 I expect, I'm surprised I haven't seen them here yet.

00:01:24.300 But I might as well get it out of the way from Freedom Honey.

00:01:26.540 Mike Miller. I was at a function yesterday up in Mirror, Alberta at the Whistle Stop Cafe and we had a taste off showdown for our different brands of honey. My honey from the Prittis area, the Prittis gold and his freedom honey. And I'm sad to admit in a decision of three to nothing, Mike's honey won. He does have the best honey in Alberta for now. I'm having a talking to with my bees. We're going to improve that product. The judges were Christine Anderson, Derek Smith and Tamara Leach.

00:01:56.140 So maybe, you know, we can question those judges' judgment as well.

00:01:59.660 But there you are, Mike.

00:02:00.500 I got it out of the way.

00:02:01.580 I admitted it.

00:02:02.900 Your honey's better for now.

00:02:04.980 All right, let's talk about some other things.

00:02:06.400 Food production, livestock, not the flying kind that I deal with.

00:02:11.360 We're about to see just how much economic damage the federal government's willing to

00:02:15.140 inflict upon Canadians to protect the Soviet-style supply management system.

00:02:20.140 I mean, President Trump has put Canada's dairy, poultry, and egg supply management on his

00:02:24.500 hit list and citizens are going to be paying a high price to keep that system. And it's not as

00:02:29.160 if Canadians aren't already paying a high price to protect the food production cartels in the

00:02:32.680 country. Items like cheese, milk, butter, chicken, and eggs cost families as much as 25% more than

00:02:38.000 they should because the prices are fixed through industry cartels while massive tariffs are

00:02:43.220 imposed upon imported goods. It's a slap in the face to consumers who are struggling already under

00:02:48.020 high grocery bills. It is literally illegal to produce or sell milk and some other products

00:02:53.180 without a government-issued quota under this terrible system.

00:02:56.860 If a producer makes more food than they're allotted to with their government quota,

00:02:59.840 they have to dump it down the drain. 1.00

00:03:01.160 They have to destroy it.

00:03:01.980 They can't even give it away.

00:03:03.720 People were shocked when an Ontario farmer released a video

00:03:06.180 showing tens of thousands of litres of milk going down the drain in his operation.

00:03:10.160 The cartels acted quickly, the video was pulled,

00:03:12.160 and the farmer vanished from the public eye, and he won't do interviews.

00:03:15.500 He'll likely have his licenses pulled if he act up again.

00:03:18.460 Greedy dairy producers would rather see food go down the drain 1.00

00:03:21.400 than let citizens have a break on the price.

00:03:23.180 And while Canadians are suffering from food inflation, over 7 billion liters of milk were dumped and destroyed in the nine years between 2012 and 2021 to ensure the prices remain high to protect the dwindling number of dairy producers.

00:03:35.840 This should be a crime. In fact, if this sort of collusion and price fixing was done by any other industry, it would be a crime.

00:03:41.880 And yes, the producers are dwindling. Despite the lie propagated by supply management defenders that the system protects family farms, it does the opposite.

00:03:48.780 it. In the 1970s, Canada had 140,000 dairy farms. Now there's fewer than 9,200. Only large operations

00:03:56.280 can afford to purchase the quotas, and they've been predatorily buying them up for years. Small

00:04:00.720 operations have been squeezed out, and the penalties for running afoul of the supply management

00:04:04.660 policies are harsh and quickly enforced. While violent gun-running repeat offenders are released

00:04:09.540 on bail regularly, an older man in Alberta who committed the crime of selling eggs without a

00:04:14.440 quote, I had five RCMP cruisers show up on his doorstep and he was jailed for days. Yeah,

00:04:19.420 that's our priorities. Now, on top of all the social and economic damage caused in Canada by

00:04:23.560 the supply management system, the policies could cost the nation billions as Trump increases

00:04:28.500 tariffs on Canadian goods in response to it. Team Kearney went elbows down quickly enough

00:04:33.860 when Trump demanded an end to the digital streaming tax, but they've dug their heels in

00:04:38.340 when it comes to supply management. Indeed, even a number of cowardly conservative MPs voted in

00:04:42.660 favour of a Bloc Quebecois bill entrenching protection for that policy. So if supply

00:04:47.540 management is such a rotten policy, and it is, why does the government fight so hard to keep it?

00:04:51.920 Well, the hint was in who sponsored that bill to protect it, the Bloc Quebecois.

00:04:55.700 Canada's dairy industry is disproportionately represented by Quebec. A quarter of Canada's

00:05:00.720 dairy production comes from Quebec and the quotas continue to move there. Meanwhile,

00:05:04.760 prairie provinces with massive agricultural industries can't diversify further into dairy,

00:05:09.580 eggs or poultry due to the quota limitations. It's just one more way the East is screwing the 0.99

00:05:13.640 West and Canada. Equalization is just the easier one to spot. Things like supply management are

00:05:18.000 more subtle. It's hard to say if anything will pacify Trump. He seems to be determined to carry

00:05:22.280 out a trade no matter what Canada does. The nation could capitulate to every demand and Trump might

00:05:26.560 still impose heavy tariffs. There's little sense though giving Trump low-hanging fruit to attack

00:05:31.560 when he tries to leverage more from Canada on trade issues. Canada's federal government has

00:05:35.240 made supply management a hill to die on and it's done it with the participation of all parties.

00:05:39.580 It's a pretty high price to pay for a small number of well-heeled dairy operations in Quebec.

00:05:45.080 Oh, and I see Freedom Honey checking in there. 1.00

00:05:47.120 Well, you'll have to get to the earlier part of the show for me mentioning the showdown yesterday.

00:05:51.740 All right, well, let's check in with Dave Naylor.

00:05:53.800 I see our news editor, you've got some big breaking news.

00:05:56.440 Oh, big breaking news.

00:05:57.980 John, can we get it up on the screen?

00:06:02.020 Look at that.

00:06:03.400 That magnificent creature is my first grandson.

00:06:07.280 That's Luca Naylor, just after 9 a.m. Mountain Standard Time today,

00:06:12.020 taking his first breaths at Vancouver Hospital.

00:06:16.140 He's got more hair than me, Corey. 0.79

00:06:17.360 He's a hairy little devil. 0.98

00:06:18.500 He is hairy. 0.76

00:06:20.000 Yeah, so that's first son for my son, Matthew, and his wife, Ali.

00:06:25.560 So, yeah, great day in the Naylor family.

00:06:28.340 Well, great.

00:06:29.180 Congratulations to Matthew and yourself and Luca.

00:06:33.040 And just when Derek ran out of scotch, so we couldn't even have a celebratory drink in the office.

00:06:38.760 Look harder in there. I bet there's a ball hiding somewhere in there.

00:06:40.040 I'm sure there's something I could find.

00:06:42.280 Yeah, yeah. So that's great news. Bad news for you, losing the honey battle.

00:06:46.580 Yes, I know. He was already insufferable, and he's already in the comments.

00:06:51.760 Any skullduggery behind the scenes, bribing of judges or anything like that?

00:06:55.600 I'm afraid. I think I honestly lost the campaign. I just have to admit it.

00:07:01.420 I'm blaming my bees.

00:07:02.720 I'm going to have a stern talking to them and, again, encouraging them to do a better job.

00:07:08.560 We expected more than that.

00:07:09.700 Yeah.

00:07:09.940 Well, there's always next year to get back on the winning train.

00:07:12.480 Oh, absolutely.

00:07:13.320 I'm not letting this go.

00:07:14.480 Is Freedom Honey doing lip balm too, like you are?

00:07:18.080 No, no.

00:07:18.680 He doesn't have the courage to diversify his market, though admittedly specializing, you

00:07:22.360 know, just in one product, perhaps, it helps him get over the edge.

00:07:25.140 Yeah.

00:07:25.280 When you do have the best honey in Alberta, it makes all the difference, right?

00:07:28.560 Well, I guess maybe it helps.

00:07:30.780 so we got some big provincial news uh today corey uh you remember ucp mla's uh peter guthrie and

00:07:38.060 scott sinclair they were sort of kicked out of the kicked out of the caucus they came forward

00:07:43.100 today to say they're going to try and restart the provincial conservative party

00:07:47.580 yes the progressive progressive conservative party so uh that'll be interesting uh going up against

00:07:54.140 the ucp uh you know what i don't know we'll see see what happens there they're gonna have to come

00:07:59.420 up with leaders and leadership campaigns and founding conventions or re-founding conventions.

00:08:05.500 Maybe Alison Redford will come back. 1.00

00:08:06.860 Maybe Alison Redford, yeah, Ed Stelmac, all the greats of Alberta politics.

00:08:13.100 Some interesting news out of Manitoba, the Fox Lake Cree Nation is being granted approval by

00:08:18.940 the Canadian Energy Regulator to start shipping natural gas out of Hudson Bay. So now we could

00:08:25.900 have two ports one in bc one in uh one in manitoba so yeah and that's going to be shipped by rail i

00:08:32.060 guess they haven't gotten to the p word of pipeline yet no it looks like 150 mile or kilometer railway

00:08:39.740 track to to ship it up to the port so that's exciting it's one of them hopefully you know

00:08:44.940 nation building projects that the prime minister has talked about and it's about time it's about

00:08:50.540 time uh barry cooper our erstwhile uh columnist from the university of calgary i believe has a

00:08:57.100 great column up today on uh the glory of uh teresa tam and bonnie henry getting the order of canada

00:09:04.300 and how ridiculous it is uh the alberta government has made it easier they've loosened some rules on

00:09:12.460 alcohol and cannabis sales including they're going to be speedily granting approval for pedal pubs

00:09:18.780 so you can hop on board a bike around your closest brew pub.

00:09:24.600 They've got them already.

00:09:25.840 Yeah, because I hate getting stuck behind those drums.

00:09:27.900 Yeah, but they're sort of making it quicker and easier to do it.

00:09:31.860 I'm not sure you're going to see many of them in winter, though.

00:09:34.160 No, maybe if they put skis on them,

00:09:36.420 but I don't know how many people want a cold beer or whatever.

00:09:40.420 I'm free market.

00:09:41.540 I mean, I'm afraid I can't indulge in weed or liquor any longer.

00:09:45.300 I abused my privileges, but hey, those who can go out and enjoy it, get on it.

00:09:49.920 There you go.

00:09:50.880 And Puff Daddy court today in New York.

00:09:54.320 He was acquitted on all the serious racketeering charges and only found guilty of transportation

00:10:01.900 of prostitutes across state lines, which is still, you know, you can get 10 years, but 0.90

00:10:07.800 I don't think he'll be doing any more time.

00:10:09.720 And the crowds gathered and celebrated out in front of the courthouse, and women took 0.96

00:10:14.500 off their tops and douse themselves with baby oil. And if you've been following the trial

00:10:19.500 coverage, you'll know what that means. I know. And I just, it's bizarre and disturbing and

00:10:25.680 I don't know. It is. But, well, news is news. News is news. And news coming up at the bottom

00:10:31.060 of the hour in a few minutes. Daniel Smith, the Premier, will be holding a press conference

00:10:35.220 updating us all on what's happening with policing in Alberta and the move to get rid of those RCMP

00:10:40.860 you guys. Yes. And our Jen Hodgson will be there reporting. Great. They're doing it at the

00:10:46.460 Center of Coast. The good old MacDougall Center. A short walk from Western Standard World Headquarters.

00:10:53.240 And Jen knows the walk well. Yes, she's been there once or twice. All right. Well, thanks for the

00:10:57.040 update and congrats again, Grandpa. Thank you very much. You're going to get up to the coast soon to

00:11:00.940 be able to see the list? Yes, certainly will. Certainly will. Excellent. All right. Well, I'll

00:11:06.100 let you get back to catching up on your work so you can start making your arrangements to see your

00:11:10.080 latest it's all on facebook now cory you know it's not the same it's not the same i know but

00:11:16.420 i'm saying that's what i've been doing my morning you know sending up notifications and whatnot so

00:11:21.540 right on so yeah the picture is already around the world uh ali's from mexico so it's down there

00:11:27.700 and all my family in england has got it and yeah so it's good stuff right on okay thanks dave you

00:11:34.220 bet. Thanks, Corey. So yes, D, that is our news editor. I'll just keep calling him Grandpa Dave

00:11:39.680 Naylor. I think that kind of rolls off the tongue well there. But yeah, lots on the go, lots being

00:11:43.940 covered. Even though summer's hit, the politics and the news never stops. So this is where I like

00:11:49.020 to remind folks all the reason we've got all those reporters. We can pay Jen to go running across the 1.00

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00:12:20.060 All right. Yes. Lots on the go. Back to Mike there with Freedom Honey. Yes, the winner. Another

00:12:26.840 congratulations congratulations all over the place today except for me and my darned underperforming 0.95

00:12:32.760 bees now if we had a supply management system perhaps we could force the purchase of my sub 0.55

00:12:37.080 rate honey but I'd rather be competitive and raise the quality of it and bring that up along

00:12:44.320 so I mean it's interesting development we're seeing that with conservatives you know in general

00:12:48.280 this is what conservatives do to themselves in the party system all the time

00:12:52.040 In BC, we're seeing that conservative members have split over there. They're forming a new party, even though their conservative party came within a hair's breadth of actually winning the last provincial election, but now they've started infighting and splitting amongst themselves.

00:13:07.120 Here in Alberta, Pete Guthrie and Scott Sinclair, as Dave mentioned, they're two MLAs, they're disgruntled, they had grievances with Premier Smith's management, so they've been sitting as independents and now they're going to reform the Progressive Conservative Party.

00:13:23.380 It's just such a strange approach, even.

00:13:26.400 I mean, the breaking off, as I said, isn't unfamiliar.

00:13:28.680 That just seems to be what conservatives do in general.

00:13:31.680 But to want to revive the PCs of all parties, I mean, they went out in loathing.

00:13:38.320 People were not exactly thrilled with them when they went out the door.

00:13:43.400 When the merger came along under Jason Kenney and formed the UCP, not many people were shedding tears for the old progressive conservatives.

00:13:51.240 That was the party of Alison Redford and her Sky Palace, and it was the party of Ed Stelmack and his attempted gouging on local energy companies.

00:14:00.840 And that was the beginnings of the deficits, the return of the deficits.

00:14:04.720 It was the party that was a dynasty that was in Alberta in power for over 40 years.

00:14:10.600 but you just think maybe if you're going to try to start a new kind of conservative party

00:14:16.680 alternative to the UCP, I don't know if you want to dig up the specter of the progressive

00:14:20.680 conservatives. Federally, you saw the same thing. I think it was David Orchard who kept trying to

00:14:25.480 keep the progressive conservative party alive federally as well out there. They just slowly

00:14:29.520 died on the vine. But the bigger risk in Alberta, we've seen that before, when we get two conservative

00:14:35.100 parties on the block, the NDP tend to win. So the person smiling the most right now as these guys

00:14:41.320 are looking to start a progressive conservative party in Alberta or restart the progressive

00:14:44.480 conservatives is NDP leader Nahed Nenshi, hoping that the vote splits because he's been trailing

00:14:49.260 badly in the polls for quite some time. But if these guys and maybe the Alberta Republicans can

00:14:53.840 take a bite out of the UCP support, maybe Nahed does have a chance of becoming the premier. And

00:14:58.500 boy, if you want to see us become broke, I can't think of a better way to do it. All right, let's

00:15:02.300 to our guest i've been looking forward to this this is a story you know i i've watched for years

00:15:06.300 many of us had and she's an author of a number of books uh her name is lisa joy and she wrote

00:15:13.820 the story david milgard wanted told and you know the story well because it isn't over unfortunately

00:15:19.820 it's a tragic story and david milgard has passed away but we still need to examine and talk about

00:15:24.460 it so uh let's bring uh lisa and she's just uh coming in through audio and and discuss this uh

00:15:29.740 Hello, Lisa. Are you with us here today?

00:15:32.560 Yeah. Hi, Corey. Thanks for having me.

00:15:34.880 Much appreciated. So there are, you know, several stories about David Milgaard. I mean, it's such a striking and, as I said, tragic story, but there's a lot to be told. I guess with your book, what differentiates that from the others at this point?

00:15:50.700 Well, no book has been done since the public inquiry into his wrongful conviction.

00:15:58.600 So I went through the thousands of pages and the documents of that.

00:16:05.880 And yeah, after, that's what's different, I guess.

00:16:13.060 I just compiled all the pieces of the puzzle into one book.

00:16:16.360 because a lot of the stories that were done after the inquiry it was before the internet age right

00:16:23.360 well there's not it was all just in bits and pieces but when you put it all together in one

00:16:29.680 puzzle it paints quite a picture yeah well and something that's really important with things

00:16:35.340 like this I mean you can't undo the past you can't make up for the years that Mr. Milgaard

00:16:41.060 you know, had stolen from him, even compensation. I mean, you know, it's understandable to give it

00:16:46.220 to him, but it doesn't bring it back. But the other thing that's important is to make sure

00:16:50.500 that this doesn't happen again, that we look back on it, what went wrong? How did this happen?

00:16:57.040 And then make measures so that we don't have to see it happen again. But that we kind of that

00:17:01.880 inquiry happened, and then everything just kind of died on the fine. Well, it's like one of Mr.

00:17:08.340 Milgard's lawyer said James Lockyer from Innocence Canada he said the commissioner they appointed

00:17:14.360 was very pro-police and pro-prosecution so I mean as Lockyer said it was a whitewash it was

00:17:22.820 complete whitewash the inquiry. Yeah and I mean we can't improve anything unless we you know admit

00:17:30.680 the errors to begin with I mean it doesn't mean it has to be a knock at all police or in convictions

00:17:34.860 I mean, there's some, some very odious people out there who really belong behind bars.

00:17:39.880 Uh, but we just want to make sure we get the right ones.

00:17:43.120 And, uh, has there been anything that has been a result of this inquiry that changed

00:17:47.100 anything?

00:17:48.360 Um, well, I guess, uh, the commission into the wrongful convictions, right?

00:17:54.200 Which Milgaard pushed for.

00:17:55.900 So that's being created.

00:17:58.520 And did it conclude anything?

00:18:01.280 Well, it got Royal assent last year.

00:18:04.860 Okay, so it's still ongoing, this commission?

00:18:08.780 Well, it's Bill C-40, David and Joyce Milgaard's law, right?

00:18:12.920 Okay.

00:18:13.560 So it did get royal assent.

00:18:16.180 So maybe to give a little bit of background on the issue itself, with David Milgaard,

00:18:22.240 maybe for some of the younger viewers who might not remember it, he was convicted.

00:18:26.280 That would be back in the 80s.

00:18:27.700 He spent 23 years wrongly in prison, I believe, for a murder he didn't commit.

00:18:32.520 He was convicted in 1970.

00:18:34.880 The murder was 1969.

00:18:36.740 Oh, it was that far.

00:18:37.620 Okay, see.

00:18:40.560 And then it was through the efforts of his mother over the years

00:18:44.400 and sort of kind of really pushing and following through

00:18:46.540 that the government sort of revisited it and looked at it

00:18:49.960 and gave him that chance to finally prove his innocence.

00:18:54.320 It was the media coverage that really turned things around,

00:18:58.200 especially the moment that Joyce confronted Kim Campbell right and Campbell shunned her publicly

00:19:04.920 that was just broadcast right across Canada well yeah and it says a lot for an advocate I mean if

00:19:11.940 he hadn't had his mother advocating on his behalf he probably would still be in jail today well he

00:19:16.980 would have passed away but yeah he would not have got out if it wasn't for her so they did eventually

00:19:23.580 identify the man who had committed that crime though, right? Larry Fisher. Yes. And

00:19:30.120 he's passed away not too. He did. Yeah. And he was convicted of, uh, Gail Miller's rape and

00:19:36.860 Miller, rape and murder. Sorry. Uh, so you had, uh, some conversations with, uh, David Milgaard

00:19:44.560 prior to his passing? Yeah, a lot actually. And, um, he'd always asked me if I was recording.

00:19:50.500 well he he would say tape recording yeah so i don't know it's uh i think the media attention

00:19:57.100 towards him kind of died down towards the end and um i listened to him so well and then uh you know

00:20:05.420 yeah so stories kind of slow down over time unfortunately sometimes and then they become

00:20:09.720 forgotten that's that's why these these books are important so is a lot of the content within

00:20:14.720 your book then uh from these conversations yes yeah are there some highlights you could uh share

00:20:21.600 highlights i don't know gee it was such a um

00:20:28.880 there's so much i wouldn't know where to start okay well the the the title of the book is the

00:20:34.160 story david milgard wanted told so so what exactly in that that sense is there like what is it that

00:20:40.000 he wanted to get out right okay in october of 21 he invited me to a webinar um

00:20:49.280 and it was basically slamming the inquiry into his wrongful conviction

00:20:53.520 and when i went i went because out of respect for him right but i thought well this is old news

00:21:00.880 i i didn't see the point of it right but when they started talking about it um

00:21:06.320 James Lockyer was there, the lawyer, the private investigators who helped reveal a lot of

00:21:11.920 information were there. CBC reporters who helped break a lot of information were there.

00:21:17.120 And what they revealed kind of opened my eyes because I too just thought, well,

00:21:23.600 the inquiry settled it all. It was just a mistake, but no, it was more than just a mistake.

00:21:28.720 yeah well and then that that's part of it right i mean police and prosecutors we see that in other

00:21:36.400 cases sometimes once they set their sights on a particular target nothing will really drive them

00:21:41.120 away from it even if the evidence starts changing so i basically it seems like milgard didn't really

00:21:46.960 have a chance once they they kind of decided that they felt he was the one who did it he didn't and

00:21:52.080 he was only 16 years old. I mean, he was a hippie. He was into petty crime, you know,

00:21:59.240 and he had a bad reputation with women. So he was just a good target. 1.00

00:22:05.380 Yeah. You know, he was just a kid who was, you know, maybe on the wrong side of the tracks,

00:22:09.460 but he wasn't a rapist or a murderer. I can't imagine how horrible it would be to spend decades

00:22:13.920 in prison, convicted of crimes that awful when you didn't do it.

00:22:18.600 Right. Yeah. It was a nightmare for him for sure.

00:22:22.080 So, has anybody really ever been held responsible for the, you know, sort of almost malicious prosecution of him?

00:22:29.740 See, that's what bothered him to the end.

00:22:32.920 Nobody was held responsible.

00:22:34.580 No, they haven't.

00:22:35.860 But he launched a civil lawsuit once and he named specific police officers and prosecutors.

00:22:43.060 So, in his mind, that's who he blamed, right?

00:22:47.400 Yes.

00:22:47.960 And the thing is with this story, I mean, as you pointed out, it happened so long ago, most of the people, including Mr. Milgard and Fisher and the rest, they're all deceased now.

00:22:58.020 So, I mean, it's not so much getting individuals held responsible, but wanting to get some policy changes to avoid this happening again.

00:23:05.620 Pretty much. Yeah. I mean, when you look at all the pieces and all the things that went wrong, it's just unreal.

00:23:13.940 how how could it not be a cover-up how could he not have been set up and like his lawyer david

00:23:20.900 asper said police don't like coincidences and there's a lot of coincidences in this case well

00:23:27.860 what would the motivation be to cover this up though i i mean why would they want to uh you

00:23:34.020 know keep the wrong person incarcerated okay i gotta say that without getting myself sued oh i

00:23:41.060 understand i mean they messed up with the conviction and then one of the main prosecutors

00:23:48.420 went on to become an ndp mla okay right and so it became very political um that they were trying to

00:24:00.020 protect the ndp mla allegedly yeah so they basically just kind of wanted this story to die

00:24:07.940 yeah okay well so uh what what did motivate you though then to to get on to this and release a

00:24:15.460 new book on it well when um he invited me to that webinar i did do an in-depth piece for sas today

00:24:24.260 when i covered crime and courts for sas today but you can't put all the information in right

00:24:30.820 so there was so much that you have to leave out um the book is over 300 pages it's just a lot of

00:24:39.280 information um i guess i just felt like i owed it to him well i appreciate that and and you've

00:24:47.800 written several books uh typically on a crime background right yeah yeah i i did another book

00:24:54.480 on the Tiki Labrador murder in North Battleford.

00:24:58.900 Okay.

00:24:59.720 Well, I mean, it's, you know, before I let you go, then,

00:25:02.660 where can people find your books and get themselves a copy if they choose to?

00:25:06.820 It's on Amazon.

00:25:09.480 Okay.

00:25:09.960 And you have a website as well?

00:25:11.680 I do, lisajoy.org.

00:25:14.640 All right.

00:25:15.280 Well, I thank you very much for writing this and keeping on it,

00:25:18.320 because, you know, these important stories, we have to document them

00:25:21.040 and, as I said, try and learn from them.

00:25:23.720 And I appreciate you coming on today to talk about these things.

00:25:27.100 Well, thanks, Corey.

00:25:28.380 All right.

00:25:28.860 Well, thank you.

00:25:29.560 And we'll perhaps talk again sometime soon.

00:25:32.420 Bye.

00:25:33.200 Thanks.

00:25:33.980 So that is author Lisa Joy.

00:25:35.860 And she wrote The Story David Milgard Wanted Told.

00:25:40.320 And it's just, it's a fascinating, tragic and Canadian story.

00:25:45.720 You can't really read enough on it because we can't learn enough from it.

00:25:48.580 I see one of our commenters, you know, Van Fashens, for example,

00:25:51.220 saying if he had a bad reputation with woman, isn't it also possible that he had indeed raped

00:25:55.580 someone? Maybe not the victim, but it was pretty common in the 70s. Oh, come on, man. Is it common

00:26:01.480 rape in the 70s? Maybe more than now. But I mean, we don't convict people on a bad reputation.

00:26:07.740 I mean, we can't say, well, he seemed pretty bad, so he probably got somebody else,

00:26:10.600 so it's okay putting him in jail. Come on. It's the way our system works. You only convict people

00:26:17.660 with evidence and you need to be as stringent as possible. That miscarriage of justice

00:26:25.160 really impacted my thinking on justice a lot and things. And this has worked with conservatives. I

00:26:31.900 have had debates before because I oppose capital punishment, very much so. And it's not that I have

00:26:40.760 sympathy for some of the horrific, terrible people who are behind bars and not that I like the idea

00:26:46.080 of spending money to keep some of those awful, uh, violent and, and, and torturous people alive

00:26:51.640 behind bars. But I just don't trust our government to do something as irreversible as execute

00:27:00.320 somebody. I mean, come on, we don't trust our government. That's kind of a theme of a lot of

00:27:04.460 our readers and followers, you know, on these broadcasts and everything. Why do you want to

00:27:09.400 give those guys the ability to execute citizens. And people say, oh, DNA proves everything. No,

00:27:16.520 it doesn't, guys. No, it doesn't. In fact, there was quite a case in the eastern states with a lab

00:27:22.060 that was compromised, and samples were contaminated, and all sorts of things happened.

00:27:28.240 So in fact, DNA can do the opposite. If it's a contaminated DNA sample, and they say, look,

00:27:34.500 the DNA proved that this person did this crime, we should execute them. Well, even with DNA,

00:27:39.400 an innocent person could be killed. As I said, and it just, I just can't put myself in the shoes

00:27:45.980 of Milgaard. Think of spending over 20 years of your young life in prison knowing you didn't do

00:27:53.600 it, but that he could have been executed. At least he did eventually get released. He did

00:27:59.740 get some compensation, did get to live for a while free. If they had executed him and people

00:28:05.960 say, oh, we'll only execute when we're 100% sure. Guys, we're never 100% sure. Never. I don't trust

00:28:11.600 our court system. I don't trust our government to be 100%. I want to see life sentences. I'd like

00:28:18.420 to see people, you know, some of these horrible people, mass murderers, multiple murderers, 0.98

00:28:22.740 child molesters. I want to see the doors welded shut on their cells. I want to be confident that 0.90

00:28:28.320 they're going to die of old age in prison. But if it does turn out that this was wrong, at least

00:28:36.140 you can try to undo a little bit of the damage that's there. I just think it's one of those

00:28:41.100 areas where conservatives, they kind of study a little harder. How can you say over and over and

00:28:45.940 over again that you can't stand government? You can't stand government overreach. You don't trust

00:28:49.080 government. Oh, but let's give them the power to execute people. Well, hang on, right? Like they 0.58

00:28:54.160 don't even get your taxes right. And we know that the government doesn't always have our interests

00:28:59.640 in mind, nor the prosecutors. And as Lisa pointed out, it gets politicized, right? So there was a,

00:29:06.360 it sounds like a prosecutor who had political aspirations to become in provincial government

00:29:11.780 over there. We see it with Tamara Leach, who we saw the other day. I still like her, even if she

00:29:17.820 did judge my honey poorly yesterday. But look at this, the longest mischief trial in Canadian

00:29:25.780 history. It's ridiculous. It's been years. It's mischief. And she's still waiting on the sentencing 0.94

00:29:31.520 on this. And the words during that, when they kept putting her in and refusing bail, why? It had

00:29:39.280 nothing to do with her being a risk to public safety, which is the point of holding somebody

00:29:44.140 at least pretrial. If it looks like they're going to harm somebody, then yes, you don't give them

00:29:48.700 bail. It was political. They wanted to make an example of her, and they still do. She embarrassed

00:29:55.600 the government, her and Barber. So they're using the power of the government to try and stomp down

00:30:02.980 contrary view. They're not using that power to protect us from risk or harm. So again, I ask,

00:30:10.920 when you look at the nature of the government, at the nature of the prosecution, do you really

00:30:16.200 want them having the ability to execute people? And I say, no, absolutely not. I mean, it's just

00:30:25.860 brutal with what they've done with Leach and Barber. Again, I mean, that's what you're supposed

00:30:30.000 to be asking yourself, right? If these people were let out, I mean, we can agree that they

00:30:34.480 committed a crime, perhaps they committed mischief, fine, things like that. But are these crimes that

00:30:39.600 It really needs somebody to spend years in court and possibly years in jail when we do have violent, violent offenders, sex offenders and others being released all the time.

00:30:52.340 Our system is messed up.

00:30:53.660 So unless you were much more confident in the ability of the government, I just don't have that much confidence.

00:30:59.560 I don't want to have capital punishment ability.

00:31:03.580 Was that pointed out from a commenter?

00:31:05.580 Derek from Unacceptable Fringe also voted against my honey.

00:31:08.880 it shows how corrupt the system is. Yeah, there you go. And Christine Anderson voted in favor of 1.00

00:31:14.060 Mike's Honey as well. So I lost on three counts. Even a member of the European Parliament,

00:31:19.700 unfortunately, judged in favor of that. Maybe it's those weird European tastes. I don't know.

00:31:26.900 You know, the event fashion is pointing out saying, yeah, my grandfather was a judge. I was

00:31:30.220 supposed to go into law. The problem is there's law and there's justice and never the twain shall

00:31:33.860 meet. The legal system is just another of the state mechanism. And that's it. You know,

00:31:38.660 there's the problem. And I do believe that a lot of the efforts within the legal system,

00:31:43.820 whether it's justice or legal, are genuine. I think most of the judges really do take their

00:31:49.040 jobs seriously, most of the prosecutors, most of the defenders. But we're having difficulty,

00:31:53.520 it seems, distinguishing between the people that we really need to keep incarcerated

00:31:57.180 and, you know, the ones that just aren't providing or presenting harm to people.

00:32:02.800 And it's always going to be a push back and forth on that. I mean, you know, legislation, law in general, it's fluid. And things are going to just have to keep working on things.

00:32:16.820 All right, let's have a look at things again, back to the trade deal, right?

00:32:20.680 It's funny, elbows up, elbows down.

00:32:23.480 It looks like Carney managed to elbow himself in the face.

00:32:28.140 I got a little bit of sympathy for Carney, not much, but I got, you know, I hate to say it,

00:32:33.180 but I don't know if Polly would be doing much better right now with trade with President Trump.

00:32:39.160 Because Trump just does what Trump will do.

00:32:42.660 I don't know if, as I said kind of in my monologue, even if the policies for supply management and the digital services tax were thrown out immediately, I think Trump would just find something else and keep pushing.

00:32:58.100 But he's giving them easy targets. But boy, look how fast. That digital service tax, that hill to die on, they were screaming, there's no way we're going to back off on that. We're not getting rid of it. It's going to bring in billions. It's so important and it protects Canadians, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:33:12.660 and they dropped it in a heartbeat because Trump said, hey, we are up, you know, all trade deals

00:33:20.380 are off because of that. And then now it's supply management. But I mean, you get rid of supply

00:33:24.320 management, I got a feeling Trump's going to find something else. I think we should get rid of

00:33:26.840 supply management just because it's a crappy policy. It doesn't have much to do with Trump.

00:33:30.680 But Carney's not having an easy time. Yet you look at the polls, and guess what? At least in

00:33:34.760 Eastern Canada, the liberals are climbing in the polls. They like where Carney's going. I don't

00:33:39.460 know what Carney's doing. I don't know if Carney knows what Carney's doing, but central Canada

00:33:44.720 loves their liberals. Pat Dodd saying, Corey, thanks. I'm an Alberta separatist. I believe

00:33:50.400 Alberta is the best place on earth. And after we become independent, we will be again with hard

00:33:54.680 work, stronger laws, bring back capital punishment. See, I totally disagree with that, Pat. Not the

00:34:00.400 whole statement, but the bringing back capital punishment. I do not want politicians having the

00:34:05.140 ability to kill me. None of them, none of them, whether it's an independence one or another,

00:34:09.420 I want justice reform. I want to see child molesters go away forever, but I just, they'll

00:34:16.560 screw up guys. This is governments we're talking about. Governments screw up, even the ones you

00:34:21.140 like. And, uh, it's just a matter of time. Uh, you know, Dave was talking about that earlier too.

00:34:27.940 So here's some of the stuff we're going to have to see coming out of, uh, uh, if we want to talk

00:34:33.760 about the independence movement. We want to talk about the frustration and what's going on in the

00:34:36.640 West. Carney talking about getting rid of interprovincial trade barriers. And he's saying

00:34:42.500 he's gotten rid of a bunch. Well, guess what? One of them is supply management because you can't

00:34:46.100 trade those products across the borders because of the supply management system. So Carney lied

00:34:49.640 there. He's not getting rid of it. The other thing though is getting pipelines. Are we ever

00:34:54.400 going to get them or are we going to get more product to market? So as Dave mentioned, there's

00:34:57.740 that group that's looking to bring liquid natural gas to Hudson's Bay by rail. And it's an

00:35:03.040 indigenous group. And that's an interesting approach to it because the government uses the

00:35:09.540 indigenous groups to hide behind as a reason not to approve anything. But now this is an 0.97

00:35:14.120 indigenous owned initiative to get it up there. So what do they do? I think this one might get

00:35:20.920 across the line. I've talked to their principals before on that particular group. I think it's

00:35:25.960 called Nistinan, and they're looking to bring liquid natural gas to the coast. Will it get

00:35:32.900 done though? We've got so many layers and layers of crap because then there's other Indigenous 1.00

00:35:36.860 groups. This is, I was looking at stories in BC and across the country, Bill C-5 and then another 0.99

00:35:43.400 bill in BC, these infrastructure bills and First Nations are concerned about environment and their

00:35:47.320 rights. Oh, baloney. I'm getting tired of it. You know what? They're shaking people down. That's

00:35:51.440 what it's come to now. It's just a shakedown. Guess what? Most of them oppose everything.

00:35:57.980 Everything. They oppose it on principle. And somehow it always gets solved with enough of

00:36:03.680 a payment, but it's harming all of us and it's driving investment away and we can't get anything

00:36:08.300 done. It's about the environment. My ass. You know, pipelines. Most people don't even realize

00:36:16.360 how many pipelines there are. Get out there and have a look around. Drive a highway, especially

00:36:21.780 out west where we got a lot of oil and gas. And you see those little signs on the side and you

00:36:26.380 realize there's high pressure oil and gas pipelines all over the place. There's tens of thousands. I

00:36:30.960 think there's hundreds of thousands of kilometers of pipelines in Canada. Guys, they don't do much

00:36:36.080 harm. You drive over those. Those pipes are in the middle of farm fields. You don't know they're

00:36:41.060 there. They have next to no impact. What the environmentalist nutcases hate is the oil and 1.00

00:36:48.160 gas itself. I mean, ask Quebec how it went with rail with the oil when that train blew up over

00:36:55.080 there. I mean, yes, some pipes rupture, but again, it's a 99.9% safety rate with pipes and getting

00:37:01.820 product to an area. And what impact? Look at the impact of a road cut through the mountains,

00:37:08.960 even the bush what you've got to do to build that road even a narrow gravel road you've got to cut

00:37:15.560 the bush you've got to put the gravel down you've got to you know build the roadbed and then after

00:37:21.760 that you've got vehicles coming up and down that road blasting back and forth on it they can run

00:37:26.020 over animals birds insects you name it they're putting dust all over everything and they're

00:37:30.920 giving access to more recreation or hunting or just abuse in general or people who might start

00:37:38.000 fires or all sorts of things. Way, way more impact from a little gravel road going into the bush

00:37:43.640 than a major pipeline. The Trans Mountain expansion, you go in the bush over in Alberta or BC

00:37:50.260 and all you see is a wide cut line and it's not drivable, it's not accessible, and it's not

00:37:56.180 leaking. The first Trans Mountain line, because this was an expansion of it, that's all it was,

00:38:02.400 was putting a pipe next to another pipe. That pipe ran safely since the 1950s. Guys, there was

00:38:07.960 not an environmental hazard from pipelines. There are real environmental problems out there.

00:38:13.320 There are real impacts that happen from bad practices, but pipelines aren't part of it.

00:38:20.180 Do they leak occasionally? Yes, we've got to make sure that doesn't happen.

00:38:24.120 But these pipelines in of themselves, what does it do? And the native bands that are lighting

00:38:28.960 their hair on fire, some of them aren't even within 100 kilometers of the line. It's money,

00:38:33.760 guys, it's money. Pay me off or you aren't getting a pipe. You got to stop it. You know, it's time to

00:38:39.540 start saying too bad. It's time to start realistically interpreting the treaties. There's nothing in the

00:38:46.720 bloody treaties that says they have a say over that. There's a duty to consult. And that's if

00:38:52.500 Carney really wants to get stuff done, he has to say, we don't need your consent. Don't have to be

00:38:59.500 in their face and jerk about it. We will consult you. We'll sit down in good faith. We want to 0.99

00:39:03.180 talk about it we want to hear your concerns but in the end you don't get to say no but he won't

00:39:09.360 say that because he's a wimp he had one of his ministers actually did say that fraser he came

00:39:14.860 out and said consent isn't required and he actually apologized for saying that later he apologized for

00:39:20.540 telling the truth so how are we going to get anything done that's uh uh let's see you know

00:39:27.000 yeah there's a fan fashions putting out bc and quebec dump raw sewage into the oceans and rivers 0.91

00:39:31.000 and it's true. You know, Ontario has tire dumps. Alberta has a toxic waste treatment plant.

00:39:37.820 There's all sorts of environmental problems, real ones. And that's one that nobody ever talks about

00:39:42.880 because why? Well, Victoria is the beautiful leftist land, right? Lotus land out there,

00:39:47.060 the left coast. They're dumping raw sewage straight into the ocean, guys. They've been

00:39:51.020 doing it for decades. Out in Quebec, yeah, they dump it right into the river regularly. And we're

00:39:57.620 talking billions of gallons of poo. But where are the bad guys out here in Alberta? I don't think

00:40:04.640 so. And you know, those were the ways we changed it out here. I grew up in Banff. I'll give one

00:40:08.660 of those side stories. I was a kid in Banff. We used to go by the Banff Springs Hotel and fishing

00:40:12.540 downstream in the river from the golf course. And Banff used to just dump its sewage in just

00:40:19.120 straight. That's the way it was. You dumped it into the Bow River and I guess it filtered out

00:40:22.480 enough or they figured it would by the time I got to Calgary. Now that's in the late 70s.

00:40:26.640 We used to catch huge trout down from there.

00:40:28.420 You never ate those.

00:40:29.200 You threw them back.

00:40:29.760 We call them turd snappers.

00:40:30.720 But, you know, the big bugs and everything that would grow in the river thanks to the sewage were something else.

00:40:35.040 And that's in a national park.

00:40:36.300 But we fixed it.

00:40:37.500 We spent millions and millions of dollars.

00:40:38.920 We built plants.

00:40:39.620 We do not do that out here.

00:40:42.420 But we're the bad guys because we want to have pipelines.

00:40:45.560 Yet definitely silence while Quebec still continues the policies of dumping raw sewage that we got rid of 40 years ago out here.

00:40:53.700 And Victoria does on the West Coast.

00:40:55.860 uh Cyril Arnold saying should only have to consult the first nations whose territory is being crossed

00:41:00.520 just like the landowners who have oil and gas leases on their land exactly exactly and and the

00:41:05.900 way that this um you know the legislation court rulings and some of the baloney comes along talks

00:41:10.100 about traditional territories well everything's traditional territory eventually I'm sure some

00:41:16.660 of my ancestors traditional territories were somewhere over in Germany or Scotland or wherever

00:41:20.520 doesn't mean I have entitlement to what's happening over there now. And if it is actually

00:41:27.080 on a reserve, then absolutely, that's their land. And they should be very well compensated,

00:41:32.400 consulted, and maybe even actually on that particular chunk of land, have the right to say

00:41:36.200 no. And if they say no on a reserve, that's fine. You build it right around them and don't give them

00:41:40.020 any money. That's the way it works. But we don't need consent outside of those, or we're just not

00:41:49.240 going to get stuff done. We're never going to get it done. Here's Carney again. This is where

00:41:55.960 things are getting a little bizarre as well, right? So he keeps talking about tightening our

00:42:00.860 relationship with Europe. I mean, okay, I'm okay with Europe to some degree, but they're never

00:42:06.260 going to be the trade partner in the United States. It's just geographically, plus they're purchasing

00:42:09.760 power, their needs, but he's really on this thing. We should be looking at the EU and of course,

00:42:13.980 you know, CBC, CTV, the usual, uh, legacy media trash on how brilliant that is and how we should

00:42:20.200 move closer with them. I don't know about that, but it's funny. He's now committed to spending

00:42:25.160 5% of our GDP on the military. I, I, I, this might be good. This might be bad,

00:42:32.680 but we're getting up. That's a lot of bloody money. We, we haven't been able to get past 1.4%. 0.62

00:42:37.800 Now the jury is going to be out and whether or not that's going to be well spent,

00:42:43.020 or are we just going to get more tampons for the men's rooms on the military bases?

00:42:47.600 I'm cynical. I got to admit, it's funny. I wanted to see us getting up to that 2%

00:42:53.280 because I think, you know, as a nation, Canada should have been just at least holding its own.

00:42:57.200 But then they've done this jump to five. Wait a minute. Are we going to become a military nation?

00:43:05.880 That's absurd. But he's trying to buy favor with Europe. You see, that's a NATO commitment. He's

00:43:10.980 not talking about taking part in in north american defense he's talking about more of the european

00:43:15.760 thing he's really hung up on things out there and i worry about that and where are they going to get

00:43:21.680 the money this is something interesting from the canadian center for policy alternatives it's a

00:43:26.640 left left left wing union think tank they're socialists these guys but they're pretty upset

00:43:31.560 because even they can crunch the numbers and they're saying well the liberal government's

00:43:34.600 plan to find these billions of dollars in operating efficiencies even the center for

00:43:39.220 policy ultra said they would require a 24% cut in the public service. Good, good cut more, but they

00:43:47.080 won't. They won't. They're terrified of that. They won't actually do it. So what's Carney going to

00:43:53.480 do? He's going to print more money. It's been the liberal policy for 10 years. I, you know, I did a

00:44:01.080 lot of, I told you so's over COVID with the lockdowns and people saying, well, don't worry.

00:44:05.500 We got the CERB checks and the business bailouts will be all right.

00:44:10.060 They didn't understand.

00:44:11.360 As I was pointing out at that time, guys, when you spend like this, inflation will follow.

00:44:17.340 It's just a rule as solid as gravity.

00:44:20.680 And sure enough, after COVID, the cost of everything shot through the roof.

00:44:25.040 Go figure.

00:44:26.260 But they're pretending they don't understand why that happened.

00:44:29.760 And everybody was expressing shock.

00:44:32.400 and they were blaming grocery stores for gouging

00:44:34.460 or energy companies for this and that.

00:44:36.040 No, it's from the government

00:44:37.240 pouring fiat currency into the system.

00:44:40.260 From the supposed economic genius of Carney

00:44:42.980 who was giving advice to Trudeau

00:44:44.540 saying just print money and things will get better.

00:44:47.780 Well, that's what they're doing now.

00:44:49.920 And things are not going to get better.

00:44:53.500 So he's going to carry on with this policy.

00:44:55.800 Meanwhile, the breadbasket, the West,

00:44:59.200 he's expecting us to pay the bills,

00:45:01.180 the producing provinces.

00:45:02.400 It's an ugly formula, guys. That's why the independence movement is growing. We've got

00:45:07.040 just more of the same, a different package. And Central Canada seems to like the new package,

00:45:11.800 but the policies haven't changed. And the outcome isn't going to change either.

00:45:15.780 All I'd say, I'm not a great financial advisor, but I'd say buy some precious metals and get

00:45:22.240 your stuff hedged, guys. Because again, the price of things hasn't gone up. The purchasing power of

00:45:26.940 the Canadian dollar has gone down. And when you start to think of it that way, then you realize

00:45:31.060 where the problem is all right i'll leave on the off on that guys get out enjoy some of that good

00:45:36.480 weather when you get home tonight check in the pipeline is going to be on with a few of us on

00:45:40.260 the panel we'll break down a few more issues and be sure to subscribe to all these channels share

00:45:45.420 them all that good stuff thank you for supporting the western standard and for tuning in today

00:45:50.060 and mike malure i'll catch up to you with that honey yet you all have a good one and i'll catch

00:45:55.540 you on the next show.

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Western Standard - July 03, 2025

Dying on the hill for Quebec’s dairy industry

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