Western Standard - EXCLUSIVE Adam Patterson of Korth Group on firearm legislation and impacts on industries

00:00:00.000 To start with, kind of explain Korth Group and where you guys land in the firearm industry.

00:00:05.520 Like you're not a storefront retailer or things such as that. You're more of a distributor, right?

00:00:10.180 Correct. Yeah, we're an importer distributor for a variety of firearms, ammunition, optics,

00:00:15.820 accessories, clients. We've been in business since 1977 and we satisfy a market of independent

00:00:21.880 dealers, box stores, chain stores, military and law enforcement. We have a group of sales guys

00:00:27.080 that span the country and they are product experts in their field and they work their

00:00:32.440 areas and work to grow our business in those areas. Excellent. And you're an Alberta based

00:00:38.680 company though, right? You have a presence across the country, as you said, but you're

00:00:42.140 from out this way. I just like to. Yeah, we're actually down and out the coast. So quite local.

00:00:47.340 Most of the people here in the office are born and raised Albertans. I'm not, but they gave me a pass

00:00:51.580 and it's worked out well coming out west. Well, we accept you Eastern immigrants, you know, 0.75

00:00:56.740 when you, when you behave well enough. So thank you. I appreciate it. So, I mean, part of what I want

00:01:01.560 to get into, and I've talked with people from the firearms, you know, I guess you could say lobby

00:01:04.980 almost or activist groups, people like CSC, but something that doesn't get talked about enough,

00:01:09.320 I think, especially when we get grabs or issues like this is that it is an industry. There's a lot

00:01:15.200 of people employed in this. There's a lot of facets to the whole world of firearms. You know, people,

00:01:19.860 if there was any other industry that you targeted and could potentially put so many people out of work

00:01:24.320 and put so many businesses out of business, we'd have a hell of a pushback, but with firearms,

00:01:28.560 they seem to get a pass. Isn't that the case? And, you know, the challenging thing we have here

00:01:33.940 as firearms owners is that we don't really have a hard written gun rights law like our neighbors.

00:01:40.540 So, so one angle that, that the industry has taken is an industry organization, which is essentially

00:01:46.500 the business version of the CSSA. The business version is called the Canadian Sporting Arms and

00:01:52.280 Ammunition Association. And their, their mandate really is to lobby government to protect the

00:01:57.520 industry. You know, we may not have a right to own firearms, per se, but we should have a right

00:02:02.900 to earn a living and be able to do that employment in a field that we find interesting, and that is

00:02:08.000 perfectly legal and should be not a problem.

00:02:10.400 Well, absolutely. And I mean, there are, I imagine, I mean, I don't have the stats over,

00:02:15.900 there's going to be thousands and thousands of people employed in firearm related fields,

00:02:19.280 everywhere from a retail storefront all the way to, well, often it's volunteer or member led,

00:02:26.220 but ranges out there and hunting associations, all of these things can fall by the wayside.

00:02:31.340 All of these industries can die if we continue to let this government just keep basically disarming

00:02:36.540 the entire country. Absolutely. And I can actually provide a few bits of info here for you for

00:02:41.920 numbers. So back in 2019, the CSAAA, which is the industry organization and the Ontario Federation

00:02:48.200 of Anglers and Hunters commissioned the Conference Board of Canada to conduct an economic impact study

00:02:53.100 of the industry in an attempt to use that info to help sway government to say, you know, there's,

00:02:57.580 there's so many people that make their living doing what they love, you know, let's give them a break.

00:03:02.180 So just some quick numbers for, for your, your viewers. So just over 25,000 people responded

00:03:08.580 to the survey and then the conference board used that data to extrapolate out what the total impact

00:03:13.480 would be for fishing, hunting, sport shooting, and trapping. We'll focus mostly on the hunting

00:03:19.120 and sport shooting today. So 1.3 million Canadians in 2018 hunted and they spent an estimated total

00:03:26.480 of 5.9 billion hunting in Canada. In the same year, 1.4 million people were sport shooting

00:03:32.920 and they spent 2.6 billion. So the total impact to our economy that in 2018, and that's just the most

00:03:38.800 recent data we have was $8.5 billion spent and over 25,000 jobs supported. And as you said, Corey,

00:03:44.840 that's people that work retail distribution reps, outfitters, guides, people that are tied to the

00:03:50.540 ranges, anybody that may have a hotel or a restaurant that caters to these events.

00:03:54.760 So it's a fairly sizable amount of people across the country that, that make their living doing

00:04:00.260 something they love.

00:04:01.540 Yeah, I was about to say that there's, there's a lot of indirect employment and benefit and things

00:04:05.660 to communities. I worked in the oil field for 20 years and we'd get a lot of the people trying to,

00:04:11.780 it's an industry that gets quite abused as well, quite often by, by some ideological governments.

00:04:17.040 And they like to understate how much impact we had in, in areas when we have crews moving up,

00:04:20.740 but it's not just directly employed people in the oil field. When I'm out there in the field,

00:04:25.100 I'm buying fuel, I'm eating food, I'm staying in restaurants, I'm shopping in the local town that

00:04:30.380 I'm staying in. Likewise, hunters, I mean, they're a very transient group. You can say to me it's the

00:04:35.980 wrong term, but they're on the move. They go into areas for a period of time. It employs people.

00:04:40.220 There's a lot of, particularly in isolated communities. I mean, guiding is very important

00:04:44.340 to a lot of indigenous communities for people going out hunting. And again, that's under threat

00:04:48.660 if a person can't have a firearm. Absolutely. And so much of our industry is more rural and

00:04:54.520 suburban based. And, you know, the, the money that's generated at these independent businesses

00:04:58.980 and over 90% of our retailers are family run mom and pop independent businesses. They're in small

00:05:05.160 geographic areas that may not have the same opportunity. Some of the bigger centers have

00:05:09.220 and all the money that's generated in the store and wages to the staff is spent back in that local

00:05:14.120 economy. And as you say, with, with hunting, generally we're not in urban centers when we're

00:05:18.600 harvesting animals. So you're going into the more remote, more backwoods areas in some cases,

00:05:24.300 and some of the small motels and hotels, B and B's and whatever rely on that travel throughout the

00:05:30.220 hunting seasons to keep the business afloat. So right now, now due to the, the, the proposed

00:05:36.620 anyways, firearms freeze, particularly with the, the handguns, uh, we, we already, I imagined you

00:05:42.720 guys have suffered from supply chain issues over the last couple of years, like everybody else. 0.97

00:05:45.780 So particularly with that, I, I'm guessing shipping must've been a bitch. Um, there's been quite a run 0.99

00:05:51.100 though. I mean, now finding a, a, a handgun for sale is, it's darn near impossible. It seems they've

00:05:55.640 kind of on the short-term had the opposite effect of what they wanted to do. It sure appears that way.

00:06:00.000 And an initial expectation from the government, from what we've been told is that they, they

00:06:04.620 assume most Canadians would sort of tuck tail and, and cower and wait for bill C-21 to be passed.

00:06:10.920 And the initial pitch was that the first reading happened a couple of weeks ago. They had the

00:06:14.100 second reading, I think last week. Um, and the initial concept is that third reading and Royal

00:06:19.260 sent for beats bill C-21 would be achieved in the early fall. Uh, but Canadians have reacted in my

00:06:25.480 opinion, the correct way and purchased every handgun they could find. Uh, it's, it's been

00:06:29.900 phenomenal. There's never been a run on handguns like this ever in our history from everybody that

00:06:34.580 I've talked to. Um, and so because of that, it appears now as though the, the feds are trying to

00:06:39.300 push the third reading and Royal ascent before they break for the summer, which I think is, uh, late

00:06:44.500 next week, uh, they wrap up for the year. Uh, so we've got to rush on this and, uh, I would hope

00:06:52.720 that they can stall this. This is a big piece of legislation. This has a lot of potential consequences.

00:06:57.280 If they ran that through that fast, well, I can see the lawsuits already starting. I mean, people

00:07:01.600 have invested and done things because of the basis of this legislation being on the way and for them to

00:07:05.980 rush it and stop everything in transit. I don't think it's going to end well.

00:07:09.500 Well, and it'll have zero impact on, on anything other than disrupting independent business and

00:07:15.660 people spending their after-tax dollars to recreate the way they choose. Uh, and that's what everybody

00:07:20.920 in the industry has the biggest issue with that with this handgun freeze, they're calling it a

00:07:26.400 freeze right now, but we'll see what happens. Um, you know, most of our dealers, 30 to 90% of their

00:07:32.520 business is geared towards handgun sales. And so it isn't just the firearm. It's the accessories and

00:07:38.400 it's upgrades and repairs. When consumers are walking through a retail store, they are going to

00:07:43.600 end up, you know, impulse buying other things that may not be related to a handgun. And if they're

00:07:48.000 not able to buy any new firearms, we're going to lose that foot traffic coming into our retailers.

00:07:52.880 Yeah. That's another good point. I mean, it's just like when you go into a grocery store,

00:07:56.480 they stick the dairy and the meat in the far back for a good reason, because they know you're coming

00:07:59.760 in for that. And chances are, you're going to grab a little more on the way. You never see the hunting

00:08:03.360 section in the Canadian tire up by the front doors. They make sure I walk by all that impulse buy crap that 0.97

00:08:08.480 usually I do end up leaving, you know, I went in to get a box of 22 shells and somehow I spent $200

00:08:13.040 on other stuff while I'm at it. But it's, it's, it's a real important facet. I mean, you know,

00:08:17.440 I mean, you kind of chuckle about that, but this is integrated with a lot of businesses. How do they

00:08:22.240 fill that space? How do they keep people employed? What do they do if these areas are suddenly gone?

00:08:26.880 Oh, exactly. And how do you make up that revenue? And how do you keep your staff employed when you're

00:08:31.840 going to lose what could be your entire business? You know, we have dealers that their entire

00:08:36.720 business model is catering to the sport shooting, competitive handgun community. And it's going to

00:08:43.120 be really challenging for them to pivot and try and reestablish themselves as hunting store,

00:08:47.760 or something else entirely when they've built a brand around handguns.

00:08:51.280 Yeah. So getting a little farther, I mean, regulating stuff to death. It's another area

00:08:57.120 that it's not, this is, this is a sense of how they're going to be doing it anyways. But I remember

00:09:02.400 way back in the nineties, you look like you might be a little young to remember most of that, but with

00:09:05.680 the big battles of the registry back then, something that had happened due to that was, and that registry

00:09:11.600 failed, but every firearm dealer was suddenly going to have to spend, I believe it was like $35 per firearm

00:09:16.720 to register their stock in the stores. Some of them had hundreds and hundreds of firearms. I mean,

00:09:21.280 this was a sudden expense of far more than they were willing or able often to take on.

00:09:27.520 So what they did, I remember walking into one and that shooting range is gone now, but they actually

00:09:32.320 had a bucket full of 303s that were all laying there. They'd had them for years and they said,

00:09:36.080 50 bucks each, grab them while you can before the registry gets here. And off they went. I mean,

00:09:40.800 again, it was another run on gun sales. It was a liquidation sale in that case. They were just trying to

00:09:45.280 get rid of them because nobody could afford to hang on to them. But did that make anybody safer?

00:09:49.600 Did it make anything better? Did it improve anything? In fact, the registry got thrown away

00:09:54.080 eventually. Well, anybody that bought those Enfields sure made out like a bandit with what they've

00:09:58.480 become value-wise now. They're one of the most coveted millsurf guns out there. So hopefully people

00:10:04.560 made well on that deal, but you're absolutely right. There's no positive outcome from any of this.

00:10:11.360 The hard reality is that people are going to lose jobs and it will have zero impact on anything

00:10:16.160 other than those job losses. So just a side note, since we do have a live show, I've got commenters

00:10:22.160 asking, Brad Haugen, he keeps asking, he's looking for 303 shells. Maybe you might know about it.

00:10:26.560 They're apparently really hard to find. Is that a supply chain issue going on or do you have any idea?

00:10:29.920 Absolutely. Yeah. There's real delays in everything right now as we're experiencing everywhere as

00:10:36.240 consumers. Part of the challenges that the ammunition manufacturers face, there are only

00:10:40.720 so many companies that provide the raw materials, your brass, copper, lead, powder, primers. There's

00:10:47.360 only so much of that product to be had. And we've seen unprecedented volumes in the last two years,

00:10:53.760 partly because of COVID, partly because of various things going on in the US. Canada is subjected to

00:11:00.560 supply chain challenges, as is the rest of the world. And I know the manufacturers are doing their

00:11:05.200 best to try and get the product up here. But we see the panic buying tends to breed more panic buying

00:11:11.600 that the guy that might buy one box of 303 and use that for a couple of years, couldn't find any last

00:11:17.040 year. And now when he does find it, he's going to buy everything he can get his hands on. So it does

00:11:21.120 sort of perpetuate the issue of not enough ammunition being had across the country.

00:11:24.720 Yeah. It's just getting disrupted all over the place. And again, with panic buying and hoarding,

00:11:29.840 and it doesn't help anybody. Again, it doesn't make anybody any safer or anything either. That's the

00:11:34.320 frustrating part is they always make the case that this is somehow going to make the society safer.

00:11:38.480 So I mean, you're part of that commercial association, you guys are of the legal

00:11:43.760 arm of firearm sales, handguns, I mean, heavily regulated, very controlled, very well documented,

00:11:48.960 tracked. You don't deal with your firearms being used in crimes, or you don't see that down the road?

00:11:54.640 No, I mean, very, very few legal firearms are used to commit crime. The vast majority of the crime

00:12:03.840 guns that are found in Canada are smuggled into the country. And that's a really hard hurdle to overcome.

00:12:11.920 Ultimately, regardless of what we do as a legal group, there's always going to be that criminal

00:12:16.960 element and always going to be access to illicit firearms. And I think the challenge for the

00:12:23.040 government is how do you deal with that problem? Ultimately, lots of people joke that drugs won the

00:12:29.440 war on drugs because they can't stop them from coming into the country. How are they going to

00:12:34.000 stop the illegal firearms? You know, we legal gun owners are an easy target, you know, politicians can 0.78

00:12:40.080 stand up and, and rant and rave about how unsafe guns are and how dangerous guns are and so on and so

00:12:46.640 forth. And they have an active list of where each of us live that own handguns in this country and what

00:12:51.600 we own and when we bought it, and how it's supposed to be stored. So it's really easy to come after the

00:12:57.040 law by a gun owner, simply because they know where we are. And it can appear as though they're doing

00:13:01.600 something to combat gun crime. Well, that's it. It's the low hanging fruit. I mean, anybody who has 0.61

00:13:06.720 purchased a handgun, I mean, this legislation has been in for decades and decades and decades.

00:13:13.040 You're registered, you have to have a range membership, you can't transport it, you have to

00:13:17.360 take a course, a restricted firearms course, all of these things that the people who would go through

00:13:22.800 all of those steps in order to get a handgun, it says two things. For one, they very much enjoy

00:13:27.200 and are dedicated to their handguns for target shooting or whatever else they may like with it.

00:13:31.120 And also their rule following law abiding people, they're following the process,

00:13:36.080 they're doing everything right. And then they're getting targeted by the government for having done it.

00:13:41.840 Yeah, yeah, they sure are. And you know, some of these people are competing at the club level,

00:13:47.840 with national competitions, international competitions, we have a couple of pro staff

00:13:52.560 brand ambassador type shooters that that work with us, that are both on the Canadian IPSC team. And

00:13:57.760 IPSC is an action shooting sport where you're, you're trying to be as accurate and fast as possible

00:14:03.040 to shoot a pre setup stage. It's a pile of fun. If you've never tried it, I highly recommend trying

00:14:08.160 it. But these two guys are on the Canadian team, and are going to Thailand next year to compete for

00:14:13.520 Canada at the world level in IPSC. So this isn't always just a casual plinking on a Sunday afternoon

00:14:20.160 type thing. You know, these guys are shooting 80,000 rounds a year, and replacing product and

00:14:25.040 buying backup guns and spending massive amounts of money on their sport and their hobby because

00:14:29.600 they're so passionate about it. Yeah, so, again, as you said, we're just starting right now with a

00:14:35.200 freeze that they're eager to get on to. And I won't, you know, necessarily expect to speculate,

00:14:39.200 I suspect they have no intention of stopping there. That's just step one before they move on to seizure.

00:14:43.360 But is your industry association then getting ready to try and challenge this like from a 0.99

00:14:49.920 association point of view or anything like that? There's certainly an interest to try. The biggest

00:14:55.600 challenge that we have as an industry is that our voice really is not heard. We were fortunate with the

00:15:02.560 previous public safety minister, his office was willing to speak with the industry. The current public

00:15:07.920 safety ministers are not quite as as free flowing with conversation with us. And quite often, anytime

00:15:15.040 there's a firearms panel to be created, the industry is left out of it. The focus is primarily on victims

00:15:21.440 groups, which, you know, for a mother that's lost her son in a drive by shooting, it's horrendous.

00:15:27.280 Everybody's heart goes out to her. Anything that they change, though, would not have changed that

00:15:32.960 outcome. So the biggest challenge for us right now is that we would like to see some change.

00:15:39.680 But with the current structure of the government, with the Liberals NDP partnering, they're both very

00:15:45.200 much anti-gun. The Bloc is anti-gun. So really, the only group that's standing behind us are the

00:15:48.960 Conservatives. And there just isn't enough of a voice to have an actual say at the moment.

00:15:53.920 Yeah, well, they play on a lot of emotions. I mean, nobody wants to see, of course, those horrible

00:15:57.680 stories when firearms are misused and people die or hurt. But I mean, it's just a villainized

00:16:04.080 industry. And it's just been so wrong. And that's a bit of what your association has to try to

00:16:07.600 counter. I mean, the most comparable industry I can think of is like the tobacco industry that

00:16:12.000 got chased around. But the difference is, there's no safe or really realistic case made

00:16:18.000 that can be made to consume tobacco. There's no real good reason to smoke anything else. There's

00:16:21.680 a safe, you know, harmless use of firearms or even productive use of firearms, whether it's

00:16:27.920 for hunting or target shooting or collecting all of those things, they aren't going to hurt anybody.

00:16:31.920 So I mean, I don't think it's fair to compare that industry to tobacco, but it's getting the same

00:16:36.080 abuse as tobacco. Yeah, it sure is. You know, the biggest problem we face as an organization,

00:16:41.760 as an industry and as users is that a lot of Canadians that are not interested in what we do 0.99

00:16:48.160 are indifferent or ignorant. And I don't mean ignorant in a negative way. They just 0.98

00:16:51.440 don't know. So when they hear these politicians spouting off about making Canada safer and yada,

00:16:58.480 yada, yada, it makes sense, right? They don't realize that there is a massive increase of women 1.00

00:17:05.520 and girls participating in shooting and hunting and what an inclusive community it is. You know,

00:17:10.720 when you go to these events, there's people from all walks of life and all backgrounds and all classes

00:17:15.920 and different languages. And it's so awesome because they've, they've come here and they weren't

00:17:20.960 allowed to, or maybe minimal access to firearms in their home country. And they've come to Canada

00:17:24.960 and they can participate in something they're passionate about. And that side of the sport

00:17:28.800 is never shown. It's always everything, the messaging in the legacy media focuses so much on

00:17:35.200 crime and a lot of issues that don't even happen in our country. You know, this Bill C-21 miraculously

00:17:40.640 was released 10 days after a bunch of children were killed in Texas. Personally, I think it's in poor

00:17:46.400 taste on the government to have done that. They did the same thing after the mass killing in New

00:17:51.600 Brunswick two years ago, and use that as a great springboard to launch their plan to get rid of guns.

00:17:58.880 And they're really not shining the correct lens on our sport at all.

00:18:02.320 And I'm glad you also brought that up. It was something I hadn't thought of, but you're right.

00:18:06.000 Is this the social cost? I mean, these ranges, these hunting groups, these clubs, these sporting

00:18:11.120 organizations, this is where these are the social center for a lot of people. That's where their

00:18:15.840 circle of friends is. That's where they get together. That's where they have annual banquets,

00:18:19.360 all of these things. Because I was talking earlier about actually some of the costs of the pandemic

00:18:22.480 lockdowns. And again, I don't want to tie that so much into this, but that's a social cost. When you

00:18:26.480 suddenly isolate people and get them stuck in their households, rather than getting out and socializing,

00:18:30.880 they can have a hard time. And there's a lot of people whose big social focus is around something

00:18:36.080 firearm related. And if they lose those, that harms people as well.

00:18:39.600 Absolutely. Absolutely. And so much of what we do is a family and friend-based activity,

00:18:46.880 like you said, Corey. But there's a generational aspect of this too. We have dealers that

00:18:52.080 are second, third generation ownership and dealers that have been in business for for 50 years.

00:18:56.720 And here, as I mentioned, we started in 1977 and Terry and his dad started

00:19:00.720 the company at that time. And now the next generation is involved in the business.

00:19:04.480 And it's such a great community that really were not ever displayed, in my opinion,

00:19:09.680 the way we should be to the public.

00:19:10.800 No. And again, if any community, I think at all is going to be most opposed to the criminal

00:19:16.400 use of firearms, it's all the people who responsibly use them because they're tired of

00:19:20.400 getting labeled and potentially losing their rights.

00:19:22.800 Very bad for business. That's another aspect I won't get you to speculating on. When you

00:19:27.760 criminalize the whole thing in the works, there's going to be a number of people who just decide,

00:19:31.600 well, I'm no longer going to abide. And then now you've created criminals rather than solved

00:19:35.440 anything. And it's just not an improvement whatsoever.

00:19:39.120 Absolutely. And if I could just throw another comment on that, Corey, that one of the big

00:19:43.440 challenges all of us face, whether we're in industry or as users, is the lack of communication.

00:19:49.280 So, you know, a few years ago, the government prohibited Ruger 1022 magazines that had the

00:19:54.320 capacity of more than 10 rounds. And so there were hundreds of thousands of these 25-round

00:19:59.280 banana mags, people would call them the Butler Creek mags primarily, that were now prohibited,

00:20:04.400 but no communication was ever sent out to the populace to let them know. Industry do,

00:20:08.480 because we can no longer import them. But me as a gun owner that owns a 1022,

00:20:13.440 I never received any communication to say that, hey, this item is now prohibited.

00:20:17.200 And there have been people that have been caught with them, whether they knew or not,

00:20:20.000 I can't speculate. But the communication is really lacking. And even from the industry side,

00:20:26.640 we're not told when changes are going to take effect. But the May 2020 Order and Council was

00:20:32.720 as of May 1, and I think they told us on April 30, AR-15s are now banned. We have inventory,

00:20:39.360 dealers have inventory, there's product that's now stuck in a type of purgatory that we can't sell,

00:20:44.960 and we can't easily export back to the US despite the government telling us that we can.

00:20:49.680 That's not how it works. So there's a lot of product that's tied up at all levels of distribution

00:20:55.600 and supply chain that cannot be sold because we were not given any notice to maybe cancel orders

00:21:00.240 or try and clear what we had before VAN took place.

00:21:03.200 Yeah, I guess. And even on a smaller level, I mean, one of the changes they're looking to bring about

00:21:07.040 with this legislation. I mean, I've got a little Rimfire 22 that has a 10-round magazine in it.

00:21:13.120 And if this legislation goes through, suddenly that magazine is going to be illegal for me to

00:21:17.040 have in my possession. Plus, everybody, I guess, who owns a business that sells those or distributes

00:21:21.920 those magazines is now holding onto a criminal item. They're either going to have to destroy it or

00:21:26.160 or I guess just take a loss.

00:21:28.400 Yeah, well, it's yet to be seen. And that change is actually going to come upon us by order of

00:21:34.400 council. So we will be told someday, whenever that's going to be this week, next week, September,

00:21:40.160 we don't know that all of a sudden, we can no longer import or sell any firearm with more than

00:21:44.800 a five-round magazine. But the feds didn't separate Rimfire or firearms that have an internal magazine,

00:21:53.840 like an old lever gun, for example. So the challenge now for us as importers is that

00:21:58.960 manufacturers are going to need to build Canadian-specific product SKUs so that your 22 rifle

00:22:05.600 is now shipped with a five-round magazine instead of a 10-round magazine. So there's going to be delays

00:22:10.080 and complications with the ordering process. And it's possible it will drive costs up because now

00:22:15.040 the manufacturers have to build a special makeup SKU for Canada, where they could just sell us the

00:22:20.240 regular product before. So the trickle-down impact of this is massive, as you say, and all the inventory

00:22:26.160 that's out there. People that have hundreds of magazines or across the country, you know, hundreds

00:22:30.640 of thousands of magazines that are now going to be prohibited and all that value will be gone.

00:22:34.800 And you might get charged if you get caught with them.

00:22:37.280 Well, you might even forget the magazines in the back of your cabinet there and it's sitting there. 0.76

00:22:42.080 I mean, it's just ridiculous. Well, all we can do is keep pushing and keep hoping. I appreciate you

00:22:48.400 coming on to talk about that. And like I said, I just wanted to, because you don't hear the conversation

00:22:52.000 enough, you know, lend the industry viewpoint out of this. I mean, there's a lot of people very dependent

00:22:56.240 on this industry working directly within it, and they don't get a voice at all when these legislations

00:23:01.040 come along. So I appreciate you coming on. Where can we find more information about what your group

00:23:05.440 does or where you're at? You can check us out at korthgroup.com. We also have

00:23:10.480 pages on Facebook and Instagram. And thank you, Corey, and your team for having us on. Because

00:23:15.040 as you say, we don't get a chance to really speak from the business side. And we really appreciate

00:23:18.880 the opportunity to prop Korth Group up a little bit and to speak about what we do. And I sure hope

00:23:24.400 that we see some positivity out of all this at some point. Thanks. We like to support good Alberta

00:23:29.760 businesses and appreciate it. All right. Thanks, Adam. We'll talk again soon. Maybe we'll have some

00:23:34.800 good news to talk about.

Western Standard - June 14, 2022

EXCLUSIVE Adam Patterson of Korth Group on firearm legislation and impacts on industries

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