Western Standard - EXCLUSIVE： Alberta lawyer and doctor weigh in on AHS backtracking on unvaxxed staff

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00:00:59.880 I'm Melanie Rizdin with the Western Standard. Thanks for joining me this evening. We're going to be speaking with lawyer Jeffrey Rath as well as Dr. Joanna Moser. She is a doctor. And let's just get them into the conversation right now. Joanna, why don't you introduce yourself? Let us know what it is that you do and where you practice.

00:01:21.880 So I'm an anesthesiologist at the South Health campus in Calgary. I also will do locum work for anesthesiology at the Red Deer Regional Hospital. I'm a clinical assistant professor with the University of Calgary and I do teaching and research as well.

00:01:41.800 Okay. And Jeff is a lawyer in Alberta. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your practice, Jeff, and what you've been busy tackling over these last months?

00:01:56.220 Well, I work as a constitutional lawyer. I've basically spent my entire career suing governments, the government of Alberta, the government of Canada, various other provincial governments with regard to violations of constitutionally protected rights.

00:02:12.300 So needless to say, we find ourselves in the thick of everything that's going on right now. And we're representing Dr. Moser with regard to her claims against AHS and the government of Alberta and all the various constitutional violations that she's suffered at the hands of her and you and AHS.

00:02:33.600 Right. So, Dr. Moser, let's just chat a little bit about your situation right now.

00:02:42.300 Well, my situation right now is that I've been put on a leave of absence since December 13th because I cannot be vaccinated.

00:02:51.100 I have a legitimate medical reason that I'm not vaccinated. I have had two of my physicians report and write letters to AHS saying that I cannot be vaccinated.

00:03:03.540 And the reason being is because of severe anaphylactic reactions to vaccines in the past, as well as an underlying medical condition.

00:03:11.160 They have basically said, and one of my physicians has known me for over nine years, and she has said that if I take this vaccine, at the best case scenario, I could end up in ICU and distributive shock and die or be very sick.

00:03:28.820 And at the worst case scenario, actually die and lose my life.

00:03:31.740 And so, for this reason, I have followed my medical doctor's opinion and have decided to not be vaccinated for COVID-19.

00:03:39.480 Now, you received a letter. I mean, it was just last week that AHS announced they were going to allow medical workers back who have been unvaccinated or not vaccinated at this time,

00:03:56.020 because they are wanting to make sure that the health care system doesn't get overwhelmed with the cases that are spreading quite rapidly with Omicron.

00:04:06.600 So you did receive a letter from AHS. Is that correct?

00:04:11.060 I have, yes. And it was a fairly recent letter.

00:04:15.480 And I want to just say that AHS has made numerous changes to their policy since its introduction.

00:04:20.360 They've been changing their deadlines for unvaccinated health care workers to the point where this off and on again decision to disallow or allow health care workers to work has become abusive and traumatic and, frankly, quite tiresome.

00:04:33.620 And now there's another change. And my question is, what will happen in March 2022 when AHS revisits their policy again?

00:04:41.240 I really want to know how AHS has come up with this magic March date to reassess their policy.

00:04:46.120 Like, will they decide at that time to end the rapid testing option of the unvaccinated health care workers and then proceed again with immediate action against us and report us to the College for Unprofessional Behavior?

00:04:57.540 This uncertainty and the discrimination that AHS is displaying is very difficult to comprehend in our inclusive society. 0.96

00:05:07.160 And, Melody, just to jump in here, like, you really need to get a sense of how stupid all of this is, right? 0.92

00:05:14.720 So, they've actually initiated disciplinary proceedings against Dr. Moser because she told them and provided two letters from two different doctors that have said that if she takes the vaccine, it might kill her. 0.93

00:05:29.860 So, they've actually instituted disciplinary proceedings on the basis that, one, she wouldn't disclose her vaccine status.

00:05:36.460 Well, that's ridiculous because she told them throughout that she can't get vaccinated because she's deathly allergic, right?

00:05:43.560 And then the second thing is, they're saying, well, unless you go see an allergist, right, that can only assess whether you're allergic to one or two of the ingredients in the vaccine, you know, we're not going to recognize your medical exemption and we're going to treat you as a disciplinary problem, you know, on a going-forward basis. 1.00

00:06:03.300 I mean, this entire policy and this entire process is being run by a bunch of complete morons. 0.97

00:06:10.820 And, to be clear, Dina Hinshaw, I was shocked the other day to see that she announced on Twitter that she isn't even properly vaccinated. 0.99

00:06:18.660 She's had one shot of AstraZeneca, she's had one shot of Pfizer, and her booster was Moderna.

00:06:24.340 So, we have Dina Hinshaw, who's unvaccinated, technically, conducting some medical experiment of her own with regard to these vaccines, completely off-label, running around threatening to discipline Dr. Moser because Dr. Moser is rightly concerned that if she's injected with these vaccines that she'll go in anaphylactic shock and die. 0.98

00:06:44.920 I mean, I can't, you know, I can't even express, you know, my disgust at the complete incompetence of the management of AHS from burning you on down.

00:06:54.080 And, let's not forget that Dina Hinshaw is on the executive committee. 0.90

00:06:57.960 What was the letter stating for you? You had mentioned it was waiving something for you.

00:07:02.240 Well, basically, the letter stated that if we agree to do rapid testing every 48 hours at our own expense, then AHS will waive the immediate action process against us.

00:07:17.240 So, they were going to waive as of which date?

00:07:20.780 Yeah, so, if we agreed to rapid test every 48 hours at our own expense, then we have to let them know that we are willing to do that by January 3rd, 2022, at which time then we could start working again January 10th, 2022, but that policy would be revisited in March.

00:07:41.620 So, at this point, you know, I would like to comment on the rapid tests and their costs for healthcare workers, if it's okay with you.

00:07:53.820 So, for unvaccinated healthcare workers, and I'm just averaging this because I've seen tests as low as $20 and tests as high as $50 per rapid test.

00:08:03.400 So, for unvaccinated healthcare workers, the average cost for each rapid test through a pharmacy is approximately $30 each, and that's required every 48 hours.

00:08:13.620 So, multiplied by 15 days, that equals approximately $450 for a 30-day period.

00:08:19.960 And honestly, this is unaffordable for the average healthcare worker.

00:08:23.800 Plus, that healthcare worker needs to arrange for and have the test done on their own personal time.

00:08:29.060 And what happens if a healthcare worker, such as myself, is on call for a 24-hour period, and that test expires at midnight, and there's another eight hours left in the shift after midnight?

00:08:40.620 Honestly, which pharmacy is open at midnight when you're at work, and how can you leave work on call and go get an updated rapid test?

00:08:49.740 So, if an employer is making rapid testing a condition of employment, then shouldn't that employer be responsible for covering the cost of that rapid test and perform that rapid test on-site for convenience of that employee?

00:09:05.160 And quite frankly, as we have seen from the latest stats published from late last week before the Christmas break, because they haven't updated their statistics as of today,

00:09:13.600 80% of the new cases of COVID are in completely vaccinated individuals.

00:09:20.260 And since December 13, 2021, which is 16 days ago, there have been only vaccinated healthcare workers allowed on AHS properly in their facilities, including hospitals.

00:09:32.100 So, the unvaccinated have been actually put on unpaid leave of absence, and now there are multiple units on outbreak at the hospitals, which they're not reporting.

00:09:40.400 So, how can they possibly blame the unvaccinated healthcare workers for these outbreaks when we actually haven't been present on-site for 16 days?

00:09:49.880 Now, should there not be rapid testing implemented for all healthcare workers, vaccinated and the unvaccinated alike, to be allowed to come to work?

00:10:00.480 Wouldn't this make more sense for a safer work environment?

00:10:02.880 I mean, it is clear that infections are targeting everyone, and of course, the rapid tests have a high false positive and a high false negative rate, but they are the best we have at present.

00:10:13.840 And if they are good enough for us unvaccinated to be able to work, then it should be equally applied to screen all healthcare workers. 0.58

00:10:20.180 And just to jump in, Melanie, that's an important point, I think, from a legal perspective, because when you read all the responses that are coming out of these moronic hearing committees that have been set up by AHS to discipline doctors for not being vaccinated, right?

00:10:39.580 They talk about the fact that there's a bona fide occupational requirement for the vaccines and for the testing, et cetera, right?

00:10:49.960 Well, how can there be a bona fide occupational requirement for just the unvaccinated to be tested, right? 0.94

00:10:57.400 The, it's really, it's clear with Omicron, especially you look at the Calgary Flames, 100% of them are double vaccinated, some of them are even triple vaccinated, and they've got, you know, more than 50% of the team is currently infected with COVID.

00:11:10.300 It's clear the double vaccinated are now the ones that are spreading Omicron, they're the ones that are catching Omicron.

00:11:16.780 There is no logical or bona fide occupational requirement for simply discriminating against the unvaccinated and only requiring the unvaccinated to be tested.

00:11:26.900 So from a legal perspective, from an occupational health and safety perspective, there's no longer any bona fide reason for anybody to be vaccinated or anybody to be tested prior to going to work, unless they want to institute a program to test everybody.

00:11:42.340 But of course, they don't want to do that because we're still living in this foolish world of, you know, the vaccinated are good, the unvaccinated are bad, and all the good little vaccinated kids got their lollipops, which is the freedom that they have to do whatever they want, whether it makes any sense or not. 0.72

00:11:58.280 And AHS and Dina Hinshaw and the Kennedy government don't want to take all the good kids' lollipops away.

00:12:05.380 But with Omicron right now, they're going to have to, and there's going to be a lot of, you know, there's going to be a lot of angry, virtuous vaccinated out there when they realize that they've been led down the garden path and have been injected with a substance that does absolutely nothing to protect them from this latest variant.

00:12:20.920 Well, and I will say when I mentioned equal rapid testing for all healthcare workers to an AHS official and asked him to take this to the AHS policy makers above him, I was simply told that this isn't part of the policy and a blank stare.

00:12:36.860 And when you ask questions about the policy or want to understand their reasons behind it or question the science in light of the new data, there is no engagement or response from AHS.

00:12:45.440 They just say it's not part of their policy.

00:12:47.360 AHS does not answer our questions, post them on the science of this experimental vaccine.

00:12:52.700 They simply choose to ignore us.

00:12:54.900 And I will say, just going back to the cost of that testing, you know, for a physician, it's not necessarily, you know, problematic in terms of a financial burden, but it is certainly a financial burden for those unit clerks, the cleaning staff, the people that make less money.

00:13:10.600 And that just shouldn't be.

00:13:11.700 It's not equal and it's not fair and it's discriminatory.

00:13:14.000 Well, we were talking a little bit as well about the numbers that are involved and how it's been reported that approximately 1,450 AHS workers, part-time and full-time, have been given the opportunity to return to work and vaccinated.

00:13:32.560 However, that doesn't include the numbers of the casual staff and we know it's been disclosed to us here at the Western Standard that there's approximately 29,000.

00:13:43.560 So close to 30,000, so close to 30,000 casual staff that nobody seems to be including in these numbers.

00:13:51.840 We don't know what percentage of them are vaccinated.

00:13:54.520 We don't know what percentage of them are not, which ones are not returning to work.

00:13:58.060 So, so there's, there's definitely a larger amount of staff that is affected by this either way, that's not being reported on.

00:14:08.740 And I think that, that is, makes it a little bit more difficult for people to really understand the true snapshot of how this is going to affect care in Alberta for, you know, for people in the province.

00:14:21.460 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I think it would be confusing and I think just, you know, missing a chunk of the information necessary to understand.

00:14:32.720 Absolutely.

00:14:33.120 But don't be, don't, don't, don't, don't, sorry, don't, don't think for a minute, Melanie, that AHS cares about the quality of care being provided to the citizens of Alberta.

00:14:42.640 The day that Dr. Moser was put on a leave of absence, they were forced to put Red Deer on diversion for surgeries and for, and for the operating rooms in Red Deer.

00:14:54.140 So if there was a multiple casualty event in central Alberta, there would have been patients that would have been, had to be put on airplanes or helicopters to get them down to Calgary or up to Edmonton.

00:15:04.280 And people could have died simply because Verna, you thought it was more important to put Joanna Moser on an unpaid leave of absence than it was to fully staff the hospital in Red Deer.

00:15:15.720 It's just despicable what's going on.

00:15:18.400 It is.

00:15:19.340 And I find it, it's okay.

00:15:21.380 I find it very discouraging that AHS did not make this announcement publicly in the media or in a press conference before Christmas when their policy had changed again to fully inform the public about what is going on.

00:15:33.520 And the mainstream media should be covering the full story equally, giving time to both sides.

00:15:39.460 However, I find this is never the case.

00:15:41.720 They only report one side of the story, and that's the story coming from AHS.

00:15:46.380 And I also don't know if the government is getting the full story either because they are only getting their information from AHS.

00:15:52.780 The government needs to start talking to the affected unvaccinated healthcare workers.

00:15:56.720 They've never asked for our side of the story.

00:15:58.760 They've never engaged with us.

00:16:00.240 They don't read our letters, or if they do read them, they don't respond to them.

00:16:04.920 Albertans and our patients have a right to know what AHS is doing to the healthcare in the province of Alberta.

00:16:12.100 Agreed.

00:16:12.760 And, Joanna, I, you know, I would agree with that sentiment that when it was released in a press release on Thursday, the 23rd,

00:16:22.220 we brought the news forward on the Western Standard quite quickly as soon as we got our hands on that press release,

00:16:29.720 but found it odd that it was not discussed verbally in the press conference, nor did we,

00:16:38.420 I did some digging the following day and did not find many references to the fact that AHS had sort of backtracked and is now allowing unvaccinated staff back to work.

00:16:51.300 It was, it was just not picked up by mainstream media.

00:16:54.340 There was a couple of references to it, but it was a bit varied.

00:16:57.960 So, agreed.

00:16:59.260 It's, it seems that, it seems that the story is, is, is for some reason, you know,

00:17:06.440 they're just not willing to, to share this side of it.

00:17:09.660 Well, and it's just shocking to me that nobody in the media, you know,

00:17:16.280 other than the Western Standard, you know,

00:17:18.380 is picking up on, on gross incompetence of AHS and the Alberta government in and around these issues.

00:17:24.540 You know, the, the idea, you know, again, getting back to, you know, to Dina Hinshaw,

00:17:28.820 not being properly vaccinated while they're putting doctors out of work to me,

00:17:33.700 just sums the whole thing up.

00:17:35.540 It's just been one big experiment from start to finish.

00:17:38.340 You know, the 16 weeks spread between shots, then we're back to eight weeks,

00:17:42.860 then we're at four weeks, then we're back at, you know, eight weeks.

00:17:45.760 I mean, there's making this stuff up as they go along and they're completely unprepared for the fact

00:17:51.460 that these vaccines do not work.

00:17:54.220 And at the end of the day, you know, Omicron is going to rip through our society.

00:17:58.420 Everybody's going to get over it and we're not going to need the bloody vaccines anymore.

00:18:02.660 You know, it's this whole thing.

00:18:04.020 It's just been a debacle from start to finish.

00:18:06.040 And I would like to just add about the, the exceptions or the exemptions that AHS is offering.

00:18:15.920 So they, they tell that they have exceptions under religious or medical grounds.

00:18:21.820 And to my knowledge, there are very few, if any, exceptions or exemptions granted for medical or

00:18:27.620 religious reasons under their policy.

00:18:29.540 And my question is, is how can the exception review panel grant or deny medical exceptions

00:18:35.020 that go against a healthcare worker's physician and their recommendations based on knowing their

00:18:40.820 patients for many years?

00:18:42.280 These panels have never met us.

00:18:44.100 They don't know us.

00:18:45.260 They don't have an intimate knowledge of our medical conditions or what we've gone through

00:18:49.740 in the past.

00:18:50.460 And, and I mean, they're not a doctor potentially, like if, you know, they could be a midwife

00:18:55.640 on the panel.

00:18:56.700 How, how are they supposed to assess a patient's medical record, let alone a patient who is

00:19:02.940 also a physician?

00:19:04.680 Similarly, how can the exception review panel grant or deny religious exemptions that go

00:19:09.520 against healthcare workers sincerely held religious beliefs?

00:19:12.920 Like how do these panel members become the healthcare workers, personal physicians, or their

00:19:17.500 spiritual leaders?

00:19:18.920 I mean, it's, it's just, it blows my mind.

00:19:21.000 And this is not accommodation in a workplace, in the society that we live in today.

00:19:24.720 It's just not, it does not meet the definition of accommodation.

00:19:29.120 Well, and Joanna, what are your thoughts on the fact that the, you know, the Alberta government

00:19:35.720 has announced that they have millions of PCR tests coming that will be distributed for free.

00:19:41.760 However, when it comes to the unvaccinated staff through AHS, that the expectation is that

00:19:49.720 those, those tests can be personally covered.

00:19:54.140 Yeah.

00:19:54.380 So, so we can't use those tests.

00:19:56.480 We can't buy a kit or a big box of kits that are, you know, could potentially cost us eight

00:20:03.200 to $10 a test or, or the ones that are free.

00:20:06.520 For example, we actually have to make an appointment, go to a pharmacy, spend, you know,

00:20:11.760 you know, time in a lineup, potentially wait 15 minutes for a test to get a piece of paper

00:20:16.920 to tell us that we are negative and then give that to our employer.

00:20:21.880 Now they did say in the letter that all of those details aren't worked out, but they did

00:20:25.680 say that it has to be specifically a health Canada approved and AHS approved test.

00:20:32.540 So, I mean, I don't know exactly which tests they're going to make me take, which pharmacy

00:20:38.460 they're going to make me go to.

00:20:39.900 Do I even have a choice with regards to that?

00:20:42.780 A little, that information is not necessarily completely clear, but what I do know is that

00:20:47.140 I have to actually go to a pharmacy and have a piece of paper.

00:20:50.360 I can't just bring my actual kit and say, Hey, I only got one line and I should be good

00:20:55.760 to go.

00:20:57.480 And just to jump in on that, keep in mind.

00:21:00.960 Yeah.

00:21:01.460 Keep in mind, Dr. Moser is a Royal Fellow Certified Anesthesiologist.

00:21:07.460 Okay.

00:21:07.900 So Royal College of Physicians of Canada, you know, certified anesthesiologist.

00:21:12.660 So she's licensed to administer narcotics, you know, anesthesia, et cetera, et cetera. 1.00

00:21:17.720 But AHS won't trust her to do a home COVID test. 0.99

00:21:21.940 I mean, it's clear that this is just about coercion.

00:21:25.400 It's about making people's lives as miserable as possible so that they'll give in and get

00:21:30.200 the vaccine against their will.

00:21:32.060 That's all this is from start to finish.

00:21:34.540 That's why they're doing this.

00:21:35.920 It's this continue.

00:21:36.900 Let's continue to make the lives of the vaccinated, whether they have a legitimate reason for being 1.00

00:21:42.460 unvaccinated or not, as miserable as possible so that we can achieve a hundred percent compliance

00:21:49.040 with Dr. Hinshaw's will.

00:21:52.200 It's just despicable what they're doing.

00:21:55.160 And then at the end of that letter that basically allows me to rapid test, they do mention that

00:22:03.280 their goal and their policy is still for a hundred percent, you know, vaccination compliance.

00:22:08.160 And so that is that is stated within the last paragraph of their letter again.

00:22:13.580 So, you know, they're allowing this for a period of time.

00:22:16.860 And then what happens after that three month period?

00:22:19.320 Are we going to be back in the very same situation we were December 13th?

00:22:23.200 That's the other issue here.

00:22:24.680 It's like, oh, well, we're going to have these health care workers come back because we're afraid we might get overrun, you know, by Omicron.

00:22:31.960 It's not out of concern for these people.

00:22:34.280 It's not out of concern for the thousands and thousands of health care workers who literally risked their lives for all of us throughout, you know, the first wave of COVID.

00:22:44.320 No, it's all about what suits AHS.

00:22:47.220 And AHS, all it cares about is making people bend to their will.

00:22:52.080 Like, it reminds me of that chubby little Eric Cartman character in South Park jumping up and down, throwing a tantrum, saying,

00:22:59.260 you will respect my authority, you know, that's what this is about.

00:23:03.480 It's just a childish tantrum being thrown by AHS to force people to, you know, to be vaccinated against their will,

00:23:10.780 contrary to the College of Physicians and Surgeons standard of care in Alberta, which calls for informed consent.

00:23:17.780 With the emphasis on consent.

00:23:20.080 Right.

00:23:20.780 And, you know, I want to point out, because it's been pointed out to me a number of times,

00:23:25.060 that these these directives and these decisions are sort of coming down from Alberta Health to AHS.

00:23:32.680 It kind of seems a blurry line to me.

00:23:36.380 But as I understand it, AHS has been advised by Alberta Health or the Alberta government to to allow these medical workers back,

00:23:47.700 even though they are unvaccinated.

00:23:49.180 So so as much as we are sort of discussing this being an AHS issue, as I understand it,

00:23:56.680 it is also at the instruction of what comes down from the Alberta government.

00:24:02.600 And again, it becomes a very blurry line because because Dr.

00:24:06.680 Verna, you is part of AHS, but I believe Dr.

00:24:10.280 Hinshaw is part of the ministry.

00:24:12.160 No, no, Dr. Hinshaw sits on the executive committee of AHS.

00:24:19.740 We actually that was something we were cross examining one of the AHS officials on a week or two ago.

00:24:25.800 So Dr. Hinshaw is actually part of AHS and part of the executive committee making decisions to implement the,

00:24:34.320 you know, the guidance of the so-called scientific advisory group of AHS.

00:24:39.060 This is the same group that's denying Albertans ivermectin.

00:24:43.220 This is the same group, you know, that, you know,

00:24:46.000 is saying that natural immunity isn't as good as vaccinated immunity.

00:24:50.440 You know, this is the group of basically vaccine salesmen that have been running the failed policies of AHS

00:24:58.340 and the government of Alberta from the get go on COVID.

00:25:01.500 And when we've asked them, when we've asked them questions about their science behind these vaccinations,

00:25:08.800 posed the questions, shown them research articles, shown them research papers from across the world.

00:25:16.460 We don't get a response.

00:25:18.620 We've asked for open dialogue.

00:25:20.460 We've asked to discuss this as clinicians, as scientists,

00:25:24.380 and they refuse to come to the table and meet with us.

00:25:29.160 They only promote big pharma and the vaccinations,

00:25:33.260 which, you know, in today's day in society,

00:25:35.340 we should at least have an open and honest conversation

00:25:38.560 and hear both sides of the story so that we can, you know, take care of our patients.

00:25:43.800 At the end of the day, that's what it's about, is taking care of our patients

00:25:46.800 and being able to run a health care system that protects the integrity of all.

00:25:53.160 Yes, I've heard this thing from many.

00:25:54.680 And I've also heard from many health care workers at this time

00:25:58.940 that they do not plan to return if A, the AHS or the ministry is expecting them to test

00:26:07.100 and B, if they don't have any kind of sort of job assurance for down the road

00:26:13.680 when, you know, when perhaps AHS or the ministry decides

00:26:17.380 that they don't need to sort of have the ORs and the hospitals stopped with these employees.

00:26:26.120 So, Joanna, I'm just curious where you're at.

00:26:28.960 What have you decided?

00:26:29.980 What is your stance on all of this?

00:26:32.240 Well, I will just say that, you know, throughout this attack from AHS

00:26:38.580 on unvaccinated health care workers, we've lost a large majority

00:26:43.120 of not only the casual people, but nurses and physicians that have just said,

00:26:49.060 you know what, we're going to retire.

00:26:50.540 We don't need this.

00:26:51.320 We're in a few years of retirement.

00:26:52.560 We don't need this.

00:26:53.280 We're leaving.

00:26:54.020 So that has diminished the denominator substantially in terms of compliance with their policy.

00:26:59.460 And there are a lot of nurses that I've spoken to, and even some physicians that are just

00:27:04.660 saying, no, we're not going to accept their offer.

00:27:07.260 Let them continue with immediate action.

00:27:09.980 They, you know, at this point in time, I really want assurance that in March,

00:27:13.440 I am not just going to be another number, be reported to the college for unprofessional

00:27:18.140 behavior and have immediate action taken against me to take away my privileges.

00:27:22.780 Because, you know, one month I'm good enough.

00:27:24.780 The next month I'm not good enough.

00:27:26.140 Yet I was a health care hero for over 20 months as an airway and resuscitation expert in my

00:27:33.200 capacity as an anesthesiologist.

00:27:35.220 And I went from being a health care hero to a health care zero very quickly.

00:27:38.860 And that kind of changed on a monthly basis.

00:27:41.320 And so the amount of trauma that has been suffered by those of us who have been let go,

00:27:48.060 put back on, been let go is just, it's terrible. 0.91

00:27:52.100 It's ridiculous.

00:27:52.680 So in terms of my decision, I'm still thinking about what I should do.

00:27:58.680 You know, I really think that, you know, we have to have assurances that in March,

00:28:04.180 this is not going to be the end of us again.

00:28:07.120 I think that AHS should be providing rapid tests or allowing us to get our own rapid tests

00:28:14.640 so that it's not a cost barrier and or time barrier.

00:28:20.360 We all have very busy lives.

00:28:21.860 Not all of us can book an appointment and go to a pharmacy and have this all done in the

00:28:26.280 time period that they request.

00:28:28.380 I mean, it would be more reasonable to request, you know, testing every 72 hours and have them

00:28:32.700 just test us when we get to work.

00:28:34.380 And if we are good, then we go to work.

00:28:36.940 If not, we just head right back out the door and let them figure out who's going to cover

00:28:40.020 us for the day.

00:28:41.380 Well, interestingly enough, Joanna, I just covered a story out of Quebec where they are

00:28:46.980 actually allowing health care workers who have tested positive for COVID to remain at work

00:28:54.100 because that's how short staffed they are.

00:28:56.040 I've heard that as well.

00:28:58.660 Yeah.

00:28:59.080 So I think really at the end of the day, when it comes down to the discussion of this being,

00:29:05.040 you know, what's in the best interest of safety, it seems challenging to have that as a narrative.

00:29:15.280 It is challenging.

00:29:16.660 And for me personally, I also have to protect myself so that I don't get sick.

00:29:21.040 Um, and, you know, I think of it, if I rapid test and I'm negative and yet my colleagues

00:29:26.900 who are vaccinated don't have to rapid test, they could come to work sick and I could potentially

00:29:31.420 be at greater risk from my vaccinated colleagues than I am potentially from my patients.

00:29:35.280 So I still have to continue with the, you know, the PPE that I've been continuing on with

00:29:41.180 this entire pandemic, which I've been able to do and kept myself safe and free from COVID

00:29:45.360 this entire time.

00:29:46.380 Um, you know, basically wearing an N95 and a face shield and, you know, a hazmat suit.

00:29:52.740 I mean, I'm willing to do that because I need to keep myself safe and my patients safe and

00:29:56.160 my colleagues safe.

00:29:57.640 But, um, you know, we're not going to get rid of COVID just by, you know, allowing the

00:30:03.180 unvaccinated to rapid test.

00:30:04.620 It's just not feasible.

00:30:06.360 And for, you know, allowing people to come to work sick.

00:30:09.520 I mean, if you don't have enough people, well, I don't know, I can't, I can't speak

00:30:14.680 to the Quebec's decision on that.

00:30:17.740 Jeff, any final comments from you on the topic?

00:30:21.980 Well, I think it goes back to the legal standard of bona fide occupational requirement.

00:30:27.300 The simple fact of the matter is given that Omicron was brought to Canada by the vaccinated

00:30:32.500 is being spread in Canada by the vaccinated currently within our hospitals, to the extent

00:30:38.020 that we have any outbreaks or any spread, it's being done by the vaccinated, not the

00:30:42.780 unvaccinated, right?

00:30:44.400 There is no bona fide occupational requirement for anybody to be vaccinated anymore.

00:30:50.460 Um, in the, after Omicron and all, and certainly if, um, uh, the vaccinated are the ones that

00:30:58.660 are spreading, uh, spreading it right now to discriminate against the unvaccinated and

00:31:03.340 only have the unvaccinated rapid test as a condition to go to work is one of the most

00:31:08.860 foolish things I've ever heard of from a public health perspective.

00:31:11.940 And again, this has more to do with punishing the unvaccinated to force them into taking a 0.99

00:31:18.960 vaccine that doesn't work than it does good public health policy.

00:31:22.920 This is just another example of Dina Hinshaw and Verna Yu not having a clue as to what they're 0.92

00:31:28.080 doing, acting as vaccine salespeople instead of public health, uh, physicians and specialists

00:31:34.660 and our entire society is suffering for it.

00:31:37.100 So anyway, that was, that's my final thought on it for the day.

00:31:40.080 Anyway, thank you, Melanie.

00:31:41.080 Yeah, no, no, Jeff, I know you have a number of clients that you're supporting through,

00:31:46.080 um, you know, through some of these vaccine mandates and whatnot, uh, including Dr. Mosher

00:31:51.080 and other doctors, um, any update there or still just in the works?

00:31:56.080 No, no, we're, I mean, we're moving forward.

00:31:58.820 And I mean, certainly, you know, certainly every week that goes by the science shifts

00:32:02.860 further and further in our direction.

00:32:04.780 I mean, it was clear under, you know, under Delta wave COVID that the double vaccinated,

00:32:09.320 uh, you know, uh, were, uh, were equally as, you know, uh, transmissible as the unvaccinated.

00:32:14.600 And now it appears with Omicron that the vaccinated are more transmissible than the unvaccinated.

00:32:20.620 So, you know, enough is enough.

00:32:22.620 Let's put this foolishness aside and let our society get back to work and doing things in

00:32:27.620 a normal, commonsensical way.

00:32:29.620 It's time to end the medical tyranny once and for all in this province and let people get

00:32:34.360 back to their lives. 0.95

00:32:35.360 Cause this is ridiculous. 0.92

00:32:36.360 What's going on.

00:32:37.360 And I would agree that there really is no scientific evidence that vaccines work for,

00:32:45.360 for Omicron strain of COVID.

00:32:47.360 I mean, we still potentially have Delta cases in the ICU and that could just be a carryover 0.92

00:32:52.100 from the last wave, but certainly patient, we aren't seeing patients get as sick with

00:32:56.780 Omicron.

00:32:57.780 Uh, they, they do tout, um, that, um, that, you know, if you're unvaccinated, you're more

00:33:02.720 likely to get sicker than the, than the vaccinated.

00:33:05.480 But I would really like to, to see that science and I'd really like to see that data.

00:33:10.000 The other thing I'm seeing that I'm extremely concerned about is all the patients that are

00:33:13.440 having vaccine injuries, um, those are real and those are being pushed under the carpet.

00:33:19.160 And I, I really hope that those people will be given a voice.

00:33:23.320 I really do because they have gone out on the, on the basis that they are listening to

00:33:28.680 their public health professionals and they are trusting them that this vaccine is safe

00:33:33.660 and effective and they're getting some vaccine injuries.

00:33:37.300 And that's very concerning to me because some of these patients are young and they're healthy.

00:33:42.420 And that is something that they're going to have to live with, with the rest of their

00:33:45.360 lives.

00:33:46.360 Well, Joanna, thank you for sharing your perspective with us, uh, as well, Jack, thank you for,

00:33:53.420 for sharing your perspective and, uh, you know, we'll just, we'll stay in touch, obviously

00:33:58.720 we'll, uh, kind of follow along and see how things do end up here and, uh, wishing you

00:34:04.140 both, uh, a good rest of your holiday and, uh, we'll touch base again soon.

00:34:09.420 Thank you.

00:34:10.420 Thank you very much.

00:34:11.380 Thank you so much, Valmy.

Western Standard - December 29, 2021

EXCLUSIVE： Alberta lawyer and doctor weigh in on AHS backtracking on unvaxxed staff

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