Western Standard - May 19, 2022


EXCLUSIVE： Charest announces policies to build safer communities.


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In this episode, we discuss the recent shooting death of a mother of five in Calgary and the need for tougher sentences for repeat offenders. We also discuss the issue of illegal handguns and gang involvement in violent crime in Canada.

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00:00:00.000 Thank you very much for coming back to the show, Mr. Sherey. I saw the release this morning with
00:00:05.000 you putting out your policy on justice issues, and it was just quite the timing. I don't know
00:00:11.000 if you've been watching Calgary Issues much lately, but we've had a lot of crime issues
00:00:15.520 going on and a recent event where a mother of five was unfortunately killed in an incident
00:00:21.320 with a couple of cars that had been chasing each other and shots were fired. And it turns
00:00:25.280 out that the suspect had been charged with six previous attempted murders, gangland involvement.
00:00:32.980 He'd played it down, got recently released, and now we've found ourselves with a woman 0.55
00:00:39.780 who's lost her life and left five children without a mother. So to see the timing on with
00:00:45.860 where your release is going, I guess, on justice reform and really targeting the violent crimes
00:00:49.560 and the inappropriate firearms use, I just wanted to get you on to expand on that because
00:00:54.020 this race really hasn't gone into the justice system yet, and it's a very important one.
00:00:59.200 And Corey, what you're describing, which is a terrible tragedy in Calgary, is also happening
00:01:05.540 in other cities, including Montreal, where in the last few days we've had shootings in broad
00:01:11.500 daylight and murders, gang crime. And Toronto, of course, is also another city that's under
00:01:19.060 pressure and more of a reason to be very firm on crime. And I would bring back an opportunity
00:01:25.300 for Crown prosecutors to ask for minimum sentences on gun crimes. I would also increase sentences
00:01:32.280 for those who assault police officers or first responders, firemen, or those who are healthcare
00:01:39.580 workers or social workers. Also stronger sentences on hate crimes. And a special RCMP unit to deal
00:01:46.960 with this issue of all these illegal handguns coming into Canada. That's the real issue on guns in Canada.
00:01:53.840 It's these handguns that are coming in from the United States and to stop that as much as possible.
00:02:00.240 Also more policing on transit routes because we've had incidents there. But Canada needs to get up its
00:02:08.400 game on security in all the cities of Canada, including Calgary.
00:02:12.020 Well, and that's a good conservative approach. And that's where some people get a lot of concern,
00:02:16.740 you know, with the long guns. People who hunt or target shoot and things like that often feel like
00:02:20.740 we're being, you know, picked on or targeted in these. You know, statistically, that's not where
00:02:26.660 the issues are coming from. As you said, it's predominantly illegal handguns or people with gang
00:02:31.540 involvement where these issues are happening. And we're not going to address them properly if we don't
00:02:34.900 target them. And, Corey, I am a hunter, you know, and I know hunters well. I know farmers also well
00:02:44.740 enough to tell you that if we have limited resources, which we always do. I mean, it's never been
00:02:50.100 unlimited. But all the energy and money and resources that we have should be put into fighting crime in
00:02:56.980 cities and these gangs and these organized crime in cities who are using handguns. And handguns that are
00:03:03.940 coming in from the United States. That's where the effort needs to be. That's where the threat is. 0.99
00:03:08.500 And it breaks my heart to see that this what happened in Calgary over the last few days.
00:03:15.540 But I'm sorry to report the same kind of things and crimes are happening in Montreal, which used to
00:03:22.340 be, you know, Montreal used to say, oh, we're not Toronto and we don't have a crime problem. Well,
00:03:26.820 you know what? They do now. And so we need to get serious about this and have tougher sentences
00:03:33.700 and be very firm in dealing with the handguns, illegal handguns.
00:03:37.060 Well, that's it. And it's frustrating. As I said, we see that these are people that we've had in
00:03:41.300 custody that have already indicated that they're quite dangerous individuals, yet somehow we seem
00:03:45.780 lapsed. But then just to play devil's advocate, mandatory minimums can be pretty dicey in the
00:03:50.820 justice system and often don't withstand court challenges down the road. Can legislation be crafted
00:03:56.660 that would be able to withstand those sorts of challenges if it came about?
00:03:59.460 I think the way of dealing with that, Corey, is what we're proposing to make it optional for Crown
00:04:04.580 attorneys to either press that charge or not press that charge. Now, that means that they have to
00:04:09.860 think this through. They have to justify it. They have to invoke the special circumstances that would
00:04:16.180 justify them laying a charge that for a minimum sentence, which I think will meet the test of a
00:04:23.380 charter challenge that will inevitably come down the road. The problem in the previous format is that
00:04:28.740 the courts looked at this and said, well, you just can't blanket charges in the same way on everybody
00:04:34.340 in every circumstances. Okay. So we listened to what they have to say. This is an approach that
00:04:39.860 will give the Crown attorneys, though, real tools to work with so that we are dealing with repeat
00:04:45.780 offenders and make sure that we keep them behind bars and keep our communities secure.
00:04:50.180 And I didn't see it necessarily in that release, but it's all justice related. It's one of a larger
00:04:55.940 problems. You mentioned transit and emergency workers and people who put themselves at a lot of
00:05:01.540 risk. Often, it's connected with, you know, we've got a very bad opioid problem and addiction
00:05:06.500 epidemic going on. I mean, that's part of what brings the gangs, of course, too. When they see a means
00:05:11.060 of making money, unfortunately, the unprincipled and organized crime always follows. Are there measures
00:05:17.860 perhaps to try and see how we could address that aspect of things? I mean, if it's not profitable for
00:05:23.140 organized crime, that could reduce some of the impacts. It's a big, complicated issue, I know.
00:05:28.180 Well, the opioid crisis in the country right now is a terrible tragedy also. It's more concentrated,
00:05:34.500 actually, in British Columbia than what we've seen in Eastern Canada. And I guess that means the
00:05:38.820 droops, the drug roots, are probably more organized in certain parts of the country than they are in
00:05:45.620 other places. Fentanyl. And these are drugs that are often coming in from Asia and other places. That means
00:05:51.460 much tighter border controls and policing to make sure that these drugs don't come in,
00:05:58.420 and then treating those who are victims of opioid abuse and who are victims to that. We also need to
00:06:05.620 find ways to help them out so that they can kick their addiction and return to some normalcy in their
00:06:12.260 own lives. So hate-motivated crimes you had in there as well, which again, you know,
00:06:19.140 as with any, it's an odious thing. So you're not talking about bringing new laws on the books,
00:06:24.420 though? Your policy is just talking about increasing the potential sentences for that sort of crime?
00:06:28.820 Well, actually, Corey, it would demand that we legislate. If we want to bring in legislation,
00:06:34.500 if we want to have the ability to give Crown attorneys an option to lay down minimum sentencing,
00:06:40.100 then we have to bring in legislation. The same would be true for tougher sentences for those
00:06:45.940 who attack or who aggress either police officers or firemen or first responders or nurses or health
00:06:55.380 caregivers or even social workers. So yes, we would have to bring in legislation. I'm hoping that the
00:07:01.140 other opposition parties would, because we'll be in government at that point, would cooperate to make
00:07:06.820 this happen as rapidly as possible. So if we were to increase incarceration times for people
00:07:14.180 upon conviction, quite often we have a lot of our correctional facilities are already full or
00:07:18.980 overloaded. I imagine that would have to be coupled with some sort of means of either
00:07:22.660 bringing up space or increasing space in our facilities to take in more people for longer.
00:07:27.220 Well, we have to look at that on a regular basis on how we're organized. Do we have to expand space?
00:07:34.260 If we hopefully we, you know, we're not in a world in which we're actually just jailing more people
00:07:40.660 because there's more crime. But if we have to do that, we'll do that. But we'll do it on a needs basis.
00:07:46.740 And we'll do it in a context where we're not trying to jail more people. I mean, let's be clear.
00:07:52.500 That's not the idea. The idea is to deal with criminals and hardened criminals who are a threat to our
00:07:58.580 community and make sure that we always observe the cardinal rule, Corey. And the cardinal rule is
00:08:05.540 security of our communities first and foremost. Everything else comes second. And that's the way
00:08:14.900 that my government would approach this. Yeah. Well, and it's likewise, I think most
00:08:19.300 people with common sense realize we don't want to pack our prisons full of car thieves over extended
00:08:23.380 long sentences, though, I mean, it's still a crime. It's of concern we want to get the people who've
00:08:28.180 been committing violent crimes and seeing a pattern of that. I think the California three strikes law
00:08:32.340 when they tried that some years ago failed dramatically because of that, because people
00:08:35.060 with very minor offenses found themselves with very long sentences, and then they didn't have space
00:08:39.380 for the very serious offenders when the time came. But it's just, you know, asking because,
00:08:43.140 of course, when you do justice reform, it has a ripple effect all the way around throughout
00:08:46.260 the entire system. And being smart about it means that you have to trust the judgment of the
00:08:50.980 Crown attorneys who are laying these charges, who have the information about individuals,
00:08:54.900 about their prior convictions, about their behavior, about their releases,
00:08:59.460 and who are in the best position to say, well, this is a person who deserves a minimum sentence
00:09:04.580 because they obviously they're not getting the message and we need to protect our communities.
00:09:08.980 So if we trust that we can trust the right people to make those calls, we just need to give them the
00:09:13.220 tools so that they can actually do the right thing. Sure. And likewise, as you said, you know,
00:09:19.060 setting up a police task force to target the smuggled firearms and handguns in particular,
00:09:24.100 would there perhaps be examining giving more resources to Canada Border Services Agency as
00:09:28.420 well? I mean, they're on the front line trying to prevent that. Definitely. Canada Border Services
00:09:32.820 is a key role to play and to allow them to do the work they need to do to be able to find these
00:09:40.820 firearms where they come in or patrol in areas that are vulnerable. We have a very long undefended border
00:09:46.340 with the United States. And that means there's a lot of ways for criminals to be able to make
00:09:52.660 their way through. And so the Border Services have a key role to play in this respect.
00:09:59.540 Great. Well, I guess, you know, it's a big issue. I'm just happy to see it come up. Crime and justice
00:10:04.980 have always been big ones with me and we often don't hear about them. They don't hit the top of the
00:10:08.980 polls with the public often at election time. It seems to be more like incident by incident when we get
00:10:13.300 upset with it. But we've always got to look at these things. So hopefully the other candidates
00:10:18.820 will respond now that you've broached the issue. It's important to hear from everybody on it. And
00:10:23.380 I appreciate where you're coming from with it. Is there more you'd like to add before I let you go?
00:10:27.380 Well, conservatives are about law and order. This is a core value of the conservative party and one
00:10:34.260 that I believe in. So this policy is about our value of respecting law and order and the role of law.
00:10:41.300 Thank you, Corey. Great. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Sherey. And well, we look forward to
00:10:46.180 watching and hopefully speaking again as the campaign continues to unfold.
00:10:49.380 Thank you. Talk to you soon. Bye bye.