Western Standard - EXCLUSIVE： In praise of natural immunity. Sheila Annette Lewis's last best chance.

00:00:00.640 Well, good day, Western Standard viewers.

00:00:04.140 Thank you very much for joining us.

00:00:06.360 We are talking today to an Alberto woman, Sheila Annette Lewis,

00:00:12.120 who has a terminal illness that she has been trying to get treated for more than two years.

00:00:18.120 And she is joined also by her lawyer, Ms. Alison Pajovic,

00:00:24.620 who is working on behalf of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.

00:00:30.700 I'd like to welcome Alison to the studio.

00:00:33.360 Thank you.

00:00:33.780 And online, Ms. Lewis.

00:00:36.840 Ms. Lewis, if I can take the liberty of explaining your situation for you, for our viewers,

00:00:43.480 reducing it to very simplest terms, you have a terminal illness,

00:00:50.200 which requires an organ transplant.

00:00:55.620 But you can't receive the organ transplant in Alberta

00:00:59.420 because you have not received a vaccine against COVID-19.

00:01:07.540 And the medical establishment is firm on this point.

00:01:11.480 We have tested it twice in court.

00:01:16.080 And now it may even go to the Supreme Court of Canada.

00:01:19.640 I believe that has yet been decided, but that's a possibility.

00:01:22.680 But today the news is that you have one more approach to the Alberta Health Service here.

00:01:31.040 Now, we're going to talk about all that and, of course,

00:01:33.940 what the implications of your new request would be if it were granted.

00:01:37.820 But first, how are you?

00:01:39.800 Hello, Nigel.

00:01:42.780 Thank you for having me on the show today.

00:01:44.760 You're very welcome.

00:01:47.260 I'm holding on, of course.

00:01:49.680 I mean, my illness has definitely advanced.

00:01:53.040 I'm now wearing two hoses, as you can see, instead of the normal one.

00:02:00.100 So it's much harder to breathe now on a daily basis.

00:02:04.520 Struggles are much worse.

00:02:08.060 I'm very limited to what I can do inside my home.

00:02:15.640 Are you, in fact, confined to your house?

00:02:19.060 Yes, I am.

00:02:20.040 You can't go out?

00:02:21.780 No.

00:02:22.480 I have not been out of my home for pretty well a year or more.

00:02:30.420 Okay.

00:02:30.900 It's been a long time.

00:02:31.800 Well, yeah, it's over a year.

00:02:33.320 A little over a year.

00:02:34.060 That's hard to bear.

00:02:37.440 Yeah.

00:02:38.300 The four walls kind of come in sometimes.

00:02:42.140 Now, you've had, like, the obvious question here,

00:02:46.540 I think most people who perhaps have not been following the case would say,

00:02:51.760 well, Ms. Lewis, the answer would seem to be simple.

00:02:56.480 Have the vaccination.

00:02:58.620 Let them do the operation.

00:03:01.100 Why won't you do that?

00:03:04.060 Because I can't take the vaccine.

00:03:06.220 Because if I take the vaccine, it's going to do a lot more harm.

00:03:09.540 And I probably would never make it to the table anyway.

00:03:13.420 Now, is that a, okay, is that advice that you've received from your medical practitioners?

00:03:20.260 Yes, from medical, from the medical field, from different scientists, doctors.

00:03:28.360 I was also told that it's the mRNA spike protein that's inside the vaccine that will travel within two hours after I take,

00:03:42.120 we'll call it a vaccine.

00:03:45.520 I guess that's what they call it.

00:03:47.760 For conversational shorthand, let's call it a vaccine, yes.

00:03:51.240 Okay, so we'll take, so if I take the vaccine within two hours, it's going to travel into and go to my organs,

00:03:59.500 and it's going to release millions and millions and millions of nanoparticles that are going to go into my cells and damage a lot of my cells.

00:04:09.300 Now, you must have explained this to the doctors who you've been consulting with in the Alberta Health Services.

00:04:17.720 What do they say to that argument?

00:04:19.360 They said that the vaccines are safe and effective, and I asked them on a scale, I asked them two years ago on a scale of one to ten,

00:04:30.620 how safe are these vaccines?

00:04:33.000 And they, he looked at me, he didn't even blink.

00:04:35.540 Three, three years?

00:04:37.120 Did we have the vaccines in April 2020?

00:04:39.900 I, I think they didn't come till 2021, right?

00:04:43.180 21, okay, two years.

00:04:45.440 Two years.

00:04:45.800 So, okay.

00:04:47.260 So, when I asked them, when they told me first that I would have to get a vaccine in order to stay on the transplant list,

00:04:55.440 on the donor list, I asked them in the office at that time, I was going to visit them in his office,

00:05:03.360 and when he said that to me, he looked straight at me, and I asked him how safe the vaccines were,

00:05:09.920 and he looked right at me, didn't blink or nothing, he just said 100% safe.

00:05:12.840 So, he was that confident that early in the vaccination process, very, that's an interesting comment.

00:05:19.780 When they first, first.

00:05:21.020 What I think people might say to you, I think you've already answered it, but I'm going to, I'm going to ask you again.

00:05:29.940 Some people would say, look, you can't get the, you can't get the operation because you won't take the vaccine,

00:05:37.020 so the outcome is inevitable.

00:05:39.480 If you take the vaccine and have the operation, you might have some chance of extending your life.

00:05:46.820 How do you answer them when they tell you that?

00:05:51.020 If I took the vaccine, I'm ending my life.

00:05:54.800 Okay.

00:05:55.260 Because it's going to do a lot of hurt.

00:05:56.960 All right.

00:05:58.980 Well, then, let me switch over to you, Alison. 0.97

00:06:03.020 I think most people don't question the basic default medical point of view,

00:06:12.560 that if you, the client, want us, the doctors, to help you, you need to listen to our advice.

00:06:21.180 Now, for example, they will say something like, we're not going to give you a liver transplant unless you stop drinking.

00:06:31.760 And there's a certain intuitive logic to that.

00:06:35.400 Organs are scarce, and the medical profession would naturally want to give it to the people who they thought would benefit most from receiving them.

00:06:44.780 So, in your view, how does Ms. Lewis's case fall outside that reasoning?

00:06:53.480 That's a good question, Nigel.

00:06:54.960 We don't disagree with that reasoning.

00:06:57.460 When you're talking about asking someone who is waiting for a liver transplant not to drink,

00:07:04.580 that makes sense, and that's scientifically proven that alcohol damages someone's liver.

00:07:10.560 So that makes sense.

00:07:11.480 Similarly, if someone is waiting for a lung transplant and won't stop smoking,

00:07:16.580 it makes sense that the doctors would say, well, this person is not a good candidate

00:07:20.160 because they're going to keep doing something that's going to damage the new lung.

00:07:25.380 Or whatever the organ is that that person is waiting for,

00:07:29.620 you have to make sure that you're following directions that are scientifically proven not to harm that organ.

00:07:37.100 Similarly, if somebody is morbidly obese, you can see a doctor saying, you're not the best candidate.

00:07:44.420 We see if you could lose some weight first because we want to give you the best chances of survival after your surgery.

00:07:50.980 Those things, we would say, you can't argue against them.

00:07:55.820 What makes it different with these vaccinations as opposed to the vaccinations that someone gets when they're a child,

00:08:03.120 those vaccinations have 30 years or more of scientific data on their safety and efficacy.

00:08:10.460 These vaccines are brand new and they're novel.

00:08:13.500 Also, they're still in clinical trials, which most people don't realize.

00:08:20.620 They have been in clinical trials since the beginning of the vaccine rollout.

00:08:27.500 And so this requirement that came in place for Ms. Lewis and all the other transplant candidates in Alberta

00:08:33.320 was put in place requiring them to take a vaccine that is still being tested for its safety and efficacy.

00:08:40.100 And that came out in our case before the courts.

00:08:45.640 And so why are they requiring a new medical product that is still in the testing phase?

00:08:54.060 So they don't know what it could do to her or any other patients either before or after their surgery.

00:09:02.140 That is unknown.

00:09:02.980 And so what makes this case even more important today is that I'm sure Ms. Lewis will talk to you.

00:09:12.740 She's just discovered that she has natural immunity to COVID-19.

00:09:16.980 So certainly her case is even stronger than it was before at this point.

00:09:21.820 There is no medical reason now why they should be denying her this transplant.

00:09:27.080 I see.

00:09:28.960 Just to clear something up, Ms. Lewis, you're not against vaccinations in general, are you?

00:09:36.100 I'm definitely not against vaccines.

00:09:39.740 That's good.

00:09:40.400 Just wanted to establish that point.

00:09:43.180 Now, you have taken this, you've taken this, directing this question to Alison,

00:09:49.080 you've taken this case to the Queen's bench, as it then was in Alberta,

00:09:56.800 and they didn't agree with your position.

00:09:59.820 They took it to the Court of Appeals.

00:10:01.780 They didn't agree with your position.

00:10:06.360 Can you explain, I know it's very complex stuff, but can you explain briefly what the issue is?

00:10:13.240 What is it they won't accept?

00:10:14.720 Sure, we brought our claim as a claim under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms of Canada

00:10:22.440 and the Alberta Bill of Rights.

00:10:25.140 And of course, when you are making a claim under the Charter and the Bill of Rights,

00:10:29.520 the party that you're making the claim against has to be either government or a government actor.

00:10:36.020 So, Ms. Lewis sued the transplant doctors, the Alberta Health Services, and the hospital

00:10:43.240 where she was receiving treatment.

00:10:46.020 And the courts, both levels of court, found that the Charter of Rights and the Alberta Bill of Rights

00:10:52.900 doesn't apply to the doctors.

00:10:56.300 Our argument was, and we had cited Supreme Court of Canada case law,

00:11:00.660 was that these doctors are carrying out a government function.

00:11:04.220 They're acting as government actors because they're implementing a provincial transplant program,

00:11:09.540 which is run by Alberta Health Services.

00:11:12.880 And so, the courts found that, no, this is a clinical decision,

00:11:16.860 that the doctors have made this COVID-19 vaccine policy is a clinical decision.

00:11:22.220 Our other argument, which was also rejected, was that, well,

00:11:25.780 Alberta Health Services also has a vaccine policy.

00:11:30.220 And that came out in the evidence.

00:11:32.120 One of her doctors told her that by November of 2021,

00:11:36.660 AHS now was requiring all transplant candidates to receive the COVID-19 vaccine.

00:11:43.220 So, in our estimation, this was a government policy.

00:11:48.840 And the courts found that the government was copying the doctor's decision

00:11:56.420 and therefore was immune to scrutiny under the Charter and the Alberta Bill of Rights,

00:12:01.640 which we say was an error.

00:12:03.740 And that is the reason why we have filed an application to have this case heard by the Supreme Court of Canada.

00:12:09.900 Do you think that's likely to happen?

00:12:11.320 Well, the Supreme Court of Canada receives about 700 applications a year

00:12:18.260 and takes approximately, I believe, it's around 60 to 70 cases a year.

00:12:23.180 So, you know, we've said that, we've made a strong argument that this is of national importance

00:12:27.920 because this doesn't just affect Ms. Lewis,

00:12:30.260 this affects the relationship between doctors working within government programs

00:12:36.600 and whether they are immune from charter scrutiny.

00:12:41.160 And we think that is a very important issue that will transcend across the country.

00:12:45.620 Well, I think there's another very important issue here.

00:12:50.060 Ms. Lewis, tell us about your experience with COVID and how you developed a natural immunity.

00:13:00.400 I didn't even know I had COVID, to be honest with you.

00:13:04.000 I know in 2021, it was like September, I believe it was, August, September,

00:13:13.000 I got really bad chills, and I mean really bad chills.

00:13:17.440 And I filled the tub up full of hot water, sat in it for a while, laid down.

00:13:24.680 Two days it was gone.

00:13:26.580 And then the very next week, it was the same thing next weekend.

00:13:30.240 Exactly the same thing happened.

00:13:31.520 I got the chills again really bad within two days.

00:13:35.160 It was gone.

00:13:36.420 And after that, I was fine.

00:13:39.880 I wasn't in any other way.

00:13:42.780 Pardon me?

00:13:43.520 Were you tested for COVID?

00:13:45.520 No.

00:13:46.280 I asked the transplant doctors two or three times to test me for natural immunity.

00:13:53.140 And they said, no, they didn't do that anymore.

00:13:55.020 Then the last time I asked him, I asked him again, I said, can you please test me for natural immunity?

00:14:02.580 He said, no, we don't do that anymore, and we're not going to test you.

00:14:08.580 But he said, I can look into it for you.

00:14:11.420 I said, okay.

00:14:12.480 So then I never heard back from them.

00:14:14.980 The medical team that's looking after you, is it, that you're asking to test?

00:14:19.680 Yes, the transplant team, yes.

00:14:21.220 Yeah.

00:14:21.580 Okay.

00:14:22.300 Yes, my doctors, yeah.

00:14:23.540 So they wouldn't conduct that test?

00:14:25.580 No, I even asked him just to send in a requisition to the lab, Dynalife lab where I live, and

00:14:33.200 they can come to the house, because they come to the house and do blood work anyway, and

00:14:39.220 just send them in a requisition so they could do it.

00:14:42.560 Did they tell you why they wouldn't perform that test?

00:14:45.700 He just said they don't do it anymore.

00:14:47.840 Well, what was that?

00:14:48.480 Now, I think you went and got your own test done.

00:14:51.080 Yes, I did.

00:14:52.220 I did it on my own.

00:14:53.180 I was contacted.

00:14:55.360 Somebody put me in contact with the doctor that does it in British Columbia, and yeah,

00:15:03.700 he contacted me back.

00:15:05.720 We ended up talking.

00:15:07.520 He sent me out the test kits so I can get tested.

00:15:11.180 I tested myself and then sent the kits back for him to analyze them, and then when the test

00:15:18.240 results in three weeks come back, the results were great.

00:15:21.920 I had extreme high levels of antibodies for natural immunity.

00:15:27.940 Turning back to you, Ms. Blujovic, what do they do in the rest of the continent?

00:15:33.500 Is it the same everywhere?

00:15:34.860 I don't have specifics on what hospitals in the U.S., as an example, don't require COVID-19

00:15:44.060 vaccines to perform transplants, but I do know that it is not required across the country.

00:15:50.120 So different hospitals in different states have different policies.

00:15:53.080 So I think there's a body called the American Transplant Association.

00:15:58.540 Are they a group that we should listen to, and if we should, then what do they say?

00:16:03.400 I can't recall if it's American Transplant Society or Association, but in any event, it

00:16:08.000 came out in the evidence in our application that they recommend the COVID-19 vaccinations before

00:16:17.720 transplantation, but they don't require it.

00:16:21.340 They don't use language as though it's mandatory.

00:16:23.880 So certainly there are differences between hospitals.

00:16:28.180 So just because one medical administration does it this way, it doesn't necessarily mean

00:16:35.640 that every medical administration would do it that way, and therefore, what?

00:16:42.700 Well, therefore, I mean, there's, the science doesn't appear to be followed the same,

00:16:51.160 but it depends on the doctors, it depends on the team.

00:16:53.840 And unfortunately, in Canada, for Ms. Lewis, I think the other group that does transplantation 0.61

00:17:01.360 for her would be in Toronto, but to my knowledge, they also require the COVID-19 vaccination.

00:17:08.480 So in terms of getting a transplant in Canada, she's really stuck because of this requirement.

00:17:15.280 I see.

00:17:15.880 Okay.

00:17:16.660 So how does this move forward?

00:17:20.200 Well, I mean, we've sent a demand letter to her doctor's counsel and counsel for Albert

00:17:30.020 Health Services and the hospital, really outlining what the report found and kind of going through

00:17:38.880 some of the evidence that came out in the cross-examinations a year ago when we did them.

00:17:46.260 And what's interesting is that AHS's own expert in immunology actually admitted in cross-examination

00:17:53.820 that it's reasonable for her doctors to test her for natural immunity.

00:17:59.820 They hadn't at that time.

00:18:00.820 We didn't know at that time that she was naturally immune.

00:18:02.860 And the doctor's medical ethics expert, she also said it would be reasonable for them

00:18:10.640 to test her for natural immunity.

00:18:12.200 We had to top immunologists as experts in our case.

00:18:17.300 So when I make comments about natural immunity and the vaccines, I'm not speaking as someone

00:18:22.940 who's professing to have any experience myself in immunology.

00:18:27.860 But we have detailed, lengthy, 70-foot noted peer-reviewed studies in one of the expert reports that we had.

00:18:38.960 We've got top quality expertise here in immunology.

00:18:43.920 And both of our experts testified and wrote in their reports that natural immunity is equal to

00:18:52.220 or stronger than the immunity from the vaccines, and they also expressed serious concerns about the safety

00:18:58.280 from the vaccines.

00:19:00.020 Now, as I said, natural immunity at that time was not an issue for Ms. Lewis, but that evidence is there.

00:19:07.120 The doctors, NHS, are aware of that.

00:19:11.740 And the CDC itself, in August of 2022, finally admitted that infection-acquired immunity

00:19:22.280 and vaccine immunity have resulted in drastic reductions in mortality and hospitalizations

00:19:31.820 due to COVID-19.

00:19:33.200 So that's been out there since last August.

00:19:36.280 And even still, this transplant team is not testing its candidates to see if they're naturally immune.

00:19:45.460 They've known that since last August, because as professionals looking at the CDC,

00:19:52.260 you know, this is not fringe anymore.

00:19:56.940 Natural immunity has been recognized in the scientific community at large as being very strong

00:20:04.480 and equal to the immunity from a vaccine.

00:20:07.860 Now, as the report said, natural immunity can wane, but so does the immunity from the vaccines.

00:20:15.820 And I know that very well from another case that I argued as a case before the Federal Court of Canada,

00:20:25.120 the travel vaccine mandate case.

00:20:27.780 We cross-examined one of Canada's experts on the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines over time.

00:20:35.820 And after six months, that effectiveness drops to about 20%.

00:20:40.380 So any of these transplant candidates who were vaccinated more than six months ago,

00:20:49.540 you know, going by those numbers, how immune are they before they get their transplant if those vaccinations have been far in the past?

00:20:59.100 So the issue of natural immunity, we say that that has to be part of the conversation now.

00:21:05.820 If these doctors and NHS are going to be following the science,

00:21:10.420 otherwise you're going to see people like Ms. Lewis passing away needlessly going forward

00:21:17.440 when they are ignoring the scientific proof that natural immunity is strong and durable

00:21:23.960 and ought to be considered as an alternative to COVID-19 vaccination.

00:21:29.200 Attorney, Ms. Lewis, I'm sure you have had advice about the booster that they recommended,

00:21:36.960 well, actually demanded as the last hurdle for admission to the procedure for you.

00:21:44.260 Do you have the same reservations about the booster as you had about the original vaccine?

00:21:53.340 Well, the booster, I wouldn't recommend the booster to anybody.

00:21:58.680 I really wouldn't, but that's just me.

00:22:02.200 I don't trust the vaccines.

00:22:05.880 Like Allison said, they're still in clinical trials.

00:22:11.280 They're still being tested for safety and effectiveness.

00:22:17.460 And how they can demand us to take a booster or a vaccine is beyond comprehensible.

00:22:27.620 Like, it's like, where do they stop at this?

00:22:32.660 Like, for the safety part, for people.

00:22:36.060 Well, that's an interesting rhetorical point.

00:22:40.860 I just wanted to be sure that you would not, whether you would even consider, after all this time,

00:22:48.240 and with what's at stake, whether you would consider taking the booster just to move this along.

00:22:53.860 I didn't take it before.

00:22:56.580 Damn well, I ain't going to take it now. 0.85

00:22:58.420 Not with all the information else. 0.95

00:23:00.120 And as far as I made a lot of calls, I have a lot of time in my hands, of course.

00:23:06.780 I made a lot of calls.

00:23:08.940 I wanted to see why Canada has such harsh, harsh protocol when it comes to these vaccines.

00:23:18.080 So I made a lot of calls to the United States, to lots of hospitals.

00:23:23.580 Why is Canada the way it is on this?

00:23:25.380 They have, in the United States, one of the firms that I contacted has emailed me and spoke to me

00:23:35.300 and said they don't understand what laws and what they're going by in Canada.

00:23:42.660 But they said in the United States, every state is different.

00:23:47.380 Every hospital state is different.

00:23:49.200 Whether they want the vaccine or not, there's 60% of the hospitals in the United States

00:23:58.200 that do not require a vaccine to get transplanted for an organ.

00:24:06.360 And I've called different hospitals.

00:24:09.840 And I've had very good responses to the answers that I've asked towards the vaccine.

00:24:16.920 Do you know where that 60% number came from, Ms. Lewis?

00:24:21.160 Pardon me?

00:24:22.040 Do you recall who provided that 60% number?

00:24:26.080 Yes, I do.

00:24:27.220 Yep.

00:24:27.720 Who was it?

00:24:28.600 It was a firm.

00:24:29.680 In the United States, it was Liberty Council.

00:24:32.280 Okay.

00:24:32.880 I think we might want to follow up on that with you.

00:24:35.520 Alison, I think I'd like to end with some speculation on what this really means for everybody else.

00:24:45.800 Clearly, we know what it means for Ms. Lewis.

00:24:48.140 It's obvious.

00:24:48.720 But if natural immunity is recognized as superseding the need for vaccination in case of COVID,

00:25:01.320 surely would that not have wide implications for a lot of people?

00:25:07.520 After all, this happened in the last two years.

00:25:10.460 Absolutely.

00:25:11.020 It would have implications for other transplant candidates, for starters.

00:25:16.020 You know, we would say due to the results from this blood test, which was very detailed,

00:25:24.200 and it told a lot of information.

00:25:25.720 It told, you know, when she was infected, as specific as she was infected and had recovered

00:25:31.220 from COVID in September of 2021.

00:25:34.340 Imagine the possibilities for other people who, for whatever reason, whether they have

00:25:39.800 objections to taking a drug that's still in testing phase, whether they have an allergy

00:25:44.020 to something in the drug, to be able to get tested for natural immunity, that could open

00:25:49.420 the doors for a lot of people.

00:25:51.220 We're the first to say that we don't believe there should be any vaccine mandate whatsoever.

00:25:55.560 But if there is going to be a requirement for vaccination for anything, then natural immunity

00:26:02.160 has to be part of that discussion and has to be an alternative because the science is there

00:26:07.700 to back it up.

00:26:09.200 And so that would transcend into the employment sphere, people who've been let go from their

00:26:14.640 jobs because they refuse to be vaccinated.

00:26:17.240 Are they naturally immune?

00:26:18.500 We should incorporate blood testing.

00:26:20.900 We should have that further developed and available for people in this country and around the world

00:26:25.740 to see how immune are you and vaccinated people should be tested for immunity to compare the

00:26:32.700 immunity between the antibodies and the blood from people who are vaccinated and people who aren't

00:26:39.160 and who have recovered from COVID.

00:26:40.940 So those are conversations that have to be had in our view for people's rights to be respected

00:26:51.960 here.

00:26:52.420 And so, you know, we're really looking, we're looking to these doctors and EHS to come to

00:27:00.360 the table here and say, you know, it's time that we accept natural immunity as an alternative.

00:27:06.360 Someone like Ms. Lewis and other transplant candidates, if they can demonstrate that, then

00:27:12.300 yes, there are good candidates for a transplant.

00:27:15.160 So, you know, what's the reason?

00:27:16.840 Why are they not accepting her?

00:27:18.600 It's unbelievable and it's jaw-dropping and, you know, we're at a loss for words as to why

00:27:28.360 they are continuing to refuse her this transplant.

00:27:33.020 Well, I certainly don't, it puzzles me.

00:27:36.700 But thinking about the rest of the world, people who were let go from their jobs because they

00:27:42.680 didn't have the vaccination, wouldn't have the vaccination, is there the possibility they

00:27:49.740 could turn around and sue for unjust dismissal, dismissal without cause, to do damages?

00:27:57.360 Is there something going forward that we would have to?

00:28:01.180 Well, I'm not an employment lawyer, but certainly if there was a natural immunity that was being

00:28:06.940 ignored, I could see the door opening for lawsuits to come in that would have to be looked at by

00:28:12.640 Employment Council.

00:28:13.320 But my point is that, you know, from the expert opinion on both sides, from our case, I can

00:28:22.660 safely and confidently say, and the CDC's, you know, admission, acknowledgement of natural

00:28:30.640 immunity, reducing hospitalization and death.

00:28:33.140 This levels the playing field now, and there is no excuse for this, for employers, physicians

00:28:44.660 to be ignoring natural immunity and not to have that conversation and not to explore what

00:28:51.680 it means and have experts look into, you know, the results of these blood tests and perform

00:28:58.420 their own blood tests.

00:28:59.360 Why are we, why are we continuing to ignore this?

00:29:02.020 And this is going to result, for some people, in loss of their jobs, but in someone like

00:29:07.420 Ms. Lewis's case, it's, her life is going to end, and it could end over this failure 0.72

00:29:13.840 to accept natural immunity, which is scientifically proven now.

00:29:17.980 Yes.

00:29:19.480 This, to me, seems like a tremendously important case.

00:29:23.700 On a scale of 1 to 10, how important is it?

00:29:27.800 Obviously, it's a 10 for Ms. Lewis. 0.66

00:29:29.440 When you're talking about somebody's life here, it's a, it's a, it's a 10 out of 10.

00:29:35.400 Yes.

00:29:35.840 Yeah.

00:29:37.500 Thank you, Ms. Pujovic.

00:29:38.960 Thank you very much.

00:29:40.420 Thank you, Ms. Lewis.

00:29:41.840 I really appreciate you coming on the show today, your candor and your honesty and your

00:29:48.260 willingness to share your intimate details of your life.

00:29:52.020 You're a brave woman, and I, I just wish you all the best going forward.

00:29:58.480 Thank you.

00:29:59.180 Can I just add one thing here?

00:30:00.940 Yes, of course you can.

00:30:01.880 Please.

00:30:02.160 The, this fight that I've been in for, you know, against the transplant to see if they'll

00:30:11.940 reinstate me for the last couple of years, or at least the last year for sure, even though

00:30:17.400 they stopped testing me two years ago.

00:30:20.960 They're supposed to test me once every year for my organs.

00:30:25.280 They're supposed to touch my, test my organs, make sure my heart is okay in case, you know,

00:30:30.400 when I was on the transplant donor list, in case I got an organ that came in for me, my

00:30:37.240 heart would have to be okay.

00:30:39.380 My other organs would have to be okay, like in good work and order.

00:30:42.840 They haven't tested me now for like two years now.

00:30:46.380 Um, and I needed to know that, but they won't do the test.

00:30:49.780 They won't do no tests.

00:30:51.280 The only test.

00:30:51.740 And what do you conclude from the fact that they won't continue to test you?

00:30:57.620 To me, they just gave up.

00:31:00.040 I see.

00:31:01.140 They just don't do any testing.

00:31:03.180 But the thing is, there's people out there.

00:31:05.160 It's not just about me.

00:31:07.360 There's a lot of people that have been refused a transplant because for whatever reason,

00:31:13.800 they chose not to get this vaccine.

00:31:16.820 Like I speak to them.

00:31:18.000 There's a young gentleman.

00:31:19.140 He's like a lot younger than me with a, he has a heart condition and he was refused his

00:31:24.680 transplant.

00:31:25.740 I speak to him all the time.

00:31:27.520 There's a young lady in Nova Scotia. 1.00

00:31:29.360 She's devastated.

00:31:30.820 She has a child.

00:31:32.260 She has family.

00:31:33.420 She has the same, um, illness that I have.

00:31:36.940 And she was refused a transplant because she didn't take the vaccines for whatever reasons

00:31:44.560 she couldn't.

00:31:46.300 And she, she's devastated.

00:31:48.660 There's people around the country that's devastated and they're dying.

00:31:53.200 Like they're dying.

00:31:54.640 These doctors are letting people die because of something that they really haven't even

00:32:01.160 tested properly.

00:32:02.000 It's still in, in the clinical trials and we are sentenced to death at a young age because

00:32:10.760 we are, we're, I think we're all agreed here in this, in this discussion that this is indeed

00:32:15.820 a 10 when it comes to the importance.

00:32:18.560 Like there's so many people and it hurts me.

00:32:21.620 It just devastates me to know there's people out there suffering.

00:32:26.900 They're suffering because somebody chose to write a policy and say, you are going to die

00:32:38.720 if you don't take this vaccine.

00:32:40.560 And that's the end of the sentence of dot is there, but there's so many people in this

00:32:45.160 country and around the world that are dying and I can't do anything to help them.

00:32:50.380 All I can do is try to fight this, but they won't budge.

00:32:56.760 People, people need help.

00:33:00.820 People need to live.

00:33:02.180 They have families and children and they have their life ahead of them.

00:33:06.000 There's some younger than me.

00:33:07.520 They have their whole life ahead of them.

00:33:10.580 Like my God, what's it going to take for them to turn this around?

00:33:15.440 But what is wrong with our Prime Minister?

00:33:18.980 People like yourself, Ms. Lewis, who won't give up on the efforts of dedicated legal professionals

00:33:27.040 such as Mr. Jovich who are working with you.

00:33:31.040 I see no other way.

00:33:33.300 So I want to congratulate you on your fight.

00:33:36.200 I'm going to fight it.

00:33:37.420 I'll fight and I'll keep fighting for the people.

00:33:39.680 And thank you again for joining us today.

00:33:42.080 Thank you, Mr. Jovich.

00:33:44.460 And for the Western Standard, I am Nigel Hannaford.

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Western Standard - April 21, 2023

EXCLUSIVE： In praise of natural immunity. Sheila Annette Lewis's last best chance.

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