EXCLUSIVE： Jay Hill breaks down the federal and provincial political game.
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In this episode, we have a special guest on the show to talk about the Governor General and his waste of money, the lack of a clear criteria for who should be appointed as a Governor General, and the potential for change in Canada's political system.
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Good to see you, Corey. Thanks for inviting me back.
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Oh, it's always good. And we've got so much going on, you know, and I just, as I said,
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I appreciate having your voice of experience to lend to things. I don't want to, you know,
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make too many comments about age necessarily. Experience.
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That's very kind of you. I caught the tail end of your rant and I thought you were right on the
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money. I think that the average Canadian in Albertan, since we're mainly speaking to Albertans
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here, is that just appalled at this latest example of government waste on the part of
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the governor general. Yeah. And it just never stops. I mean, one of the commenters, Richard
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Blackburn saying, you know, one governor general after governor general, yet we just keep doing it.
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Like it's, we get mad every few years. We forget about it. We just put another one in and keep
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repeating, you know, rinse, wash, repeat. Well, and I think that increasingly, certainly those people
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in Western Canada that pay attention to what's going on in Ottawa have to question why there's
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no criteria and, you know, that you can measure people against when the prime minister appoints
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the governor general or senators. You know, clearly there should be something as a job description
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and something that we can sort of judge them by. Well, I mean, as a senator, even that there's some
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potential roles or things that they could, you know, be doing in power. But I mean, realistically,
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a governor general now is a figurehead. I mean, it's an important one, technically a very powerful
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person. But I said kind of in an earlier rant at the start of the show, I bet we could find
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somebody for half of that salary who could do it very well, a good public speaker, a presenter
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who could represent and, you know, give out the medals and cut the ribbons because that's
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really what they do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure there's lots of highly qualified people. I think the worst
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recent example, and you mentioned her on the, on your show is Payette. You know, obviously I don't
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know what screening took place before the prime minister Trudeau appointed her, but obviously
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it was inadequate. Oh yeah. And I was ranting earlier about that. I mean, because even in her
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first year, she was complaining about her job. I mean, that's what really got me worked up. I was
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researching for my rant and I found one of my old blog posts from a few years ago, me going after
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her then, because wow, you're making 300,000 a year with all your expenses, everything else. And you're
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saying, I quit making me come in to sign these bills. It's tiring. I don't want to have to do all this.
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Oh, you poor darling. Oh, well, I'll get on to some other stuff. I've been ranting on that for a
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while. We've got perhaps some opportunities for change. I kind of want to talk about it. We've
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got two conservative parties in leadership races right now. I mean, they're, they're going to make
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a, they're going to obviously be very important for the parties, hopefully very important for the
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country and the province, depending on who wins it. The federal race is kind of dragging. It's
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going to be a long one, you know, I mean, it's already been going for quite a while and it's going into
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September. They're all positioning themselves. The memberships have closed now. How do you think
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that's looking? Like, where is that going right now? Well, I think that there's general concern,
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certainly in Western Canada, whether Pierre Polyev can actually win. He certainly got a strong,
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you know, base of support here in the West. It's ironic, I guess, that at least at this point,
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he hasn't accepted the invitation from Western Standard to the, to participate in the debate that,
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that the paper has, has organized. And so we'll see where that goes. I mean, all the other,
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what is it? Five? Yeah. Five of the candidates have all accepted the invitation to participate.
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Well, four now. We're working on it. And there's part of the problems I think that happens in politics,
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a bit of a strategic. We see that a lot as often with a front runner or a incumbent, you know,
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we know that from town hall meetings or election forums when it comes, they often will decline on
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those because they realize, well, we don't feel that there's a lot that could be gained, but if we
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get in there and screw up, there's a lot we can lose. Exactly. And that's sort of the traditional
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position of the front runner. And obviously Pierre and his supporters consider him to be the front
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runner. So as you say, they have to weigh that balance about, you know, the risk, you know,
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whether, whether you can gain sufficient to take that risk. It's really what it comes down to. And
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as front runner, they often will decline these invitations because of that. So, I mean, we'll have
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to see how this develops. It's, it's an interesting race, I guess, as a conservative, I mean,
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lifelong reformer slash Canadian Alliance slash conservative member of parliament. Obviously I have an
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interest in seeing how that develops. But I guess we could talk about what comes next. That's what
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you and I were discussing previously on your program is to, is for most Albertans and Canadians,
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I think you have to look beyond the existing race. Okay. So it's fine to win the race and become the
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leader of that party, whether it's the, the conservative party of Canada, the CPC nationally,
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or the United Conservative Party, the UCP provincially, it's fine to win the race, but what comes next? How
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well positioned are they to take that next big, hopefully victory as a conservative, I mean, I'd say
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hopefully victory and, and win either as premier or as prime minister? Yeah, I mean, it's a big task and
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it's a different type of task. It's a different strategy. I mean, winning among ostensibly conservative
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members, you can say a lot of the good conservative language to get in there. Next, if you're trying
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for the general populace, well, if we're going to follow our ideals, you would stick to your
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conservative message and you'll sell it well enough to enough Canadians that they will embrace it.
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What often happens though, is they get in and then they say, well, the only way I can win now is to
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expand the base by going more liberal. Yeah. And, but I mean, that's failed for two candidates in a row.
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Yeah. Well, hopefully whoever wins doesn't go that route that as you say, they try to sell a
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conservative message to Toronto, Montreal and points East, uh, as opposed to trying to change
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the party. And of course that was the big problem that many Westerners in particular had with,
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with Mr. O'Toole is he no sooner won the leadership of the conservative party as he started to say, well,
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conservatives have to change. It's not that people down East had to change to a more conservative,
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uh, philosophy, if you will. Uh, it was that the party and the membership was expected to change.
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And that didn't sit very well with a lot of conservatives, particularly here in the West.
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No. And, and, and it seemed to be the cycle of battle though. Right. And then, uh, the conservative
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members, we, we are the most notorious for ripping out our own leaders. I mean, we're unforgiving when they
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take us off. Yeah. And, uh, that that's happened to the last two leaders in a row. They were pulled
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down from their own same with premier Kenny. And, uh, so, I mean, they, they have to manage to,
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as you said, the big, what if after they win, okay, they got a couple of big tasks. Not only
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do they have to turn with an election, they still got to keep those members happy too,
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while they're at it, whether it's caucus or at a ground level. And it's quite a juggling act.
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I have given this a considerable thought in the last while, as I suspect a lot of Canadians are when
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we look at the national party, the CPC leadership race, because people are saying, well, you know,
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at the moment, Pierre, uh, Polly have, uh, has a very strong conservative base. Uh, when I say
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conservative, fiscal conservativism, even in many respects, social conservativism, I mean,
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he seems to be appealing as Mr. O'Toole did to that hardcore base. And so then people have been saying
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to me, um, you know, based upon my experience say, well, you know, how would he morph as you're
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suggesting, Corey, how would he morph to be actually be in a position to win the prime ministership?
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Uh, and, and I've been saying, well, there's a number of factors that might work in his favor.
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Were he to win? Were he, you know, is he actually the front runner, first of all? And then secondly,
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under this goofy system, they have the quality of all ridings, regardless of the size of the membership,
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can he actually win? And, uh, you know, that remains to be seen on September 10th.
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But, um, my point is, is that you and I, because we do have some gray hair, we know that in most
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cases, governments are defeated. They're not elected. And by that, I mean that they all have
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a life span, if you will. And at some point the electorate gets tired of them and that'll happen,
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believe it or not, even with Justin Trudeau, I think is, and we're starting to see that a little
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bit in some of the criticism coming out of the mainstream media in the last while.
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They've been so silent as far as criticizing him. Uh, but in the last while, that's starting to
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change. So is that a sign that central and Eastern Canada might be becoming a bit more critical of
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Justin Trudeau and his government? We would hope so. Us in the West would hope so. Uh, so timing is
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everything, uh, perhaps whether it's Pierre or Mr. Sherey or whoever becomes the next conservative leader,
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timing might be right. And they might be able to sell a conservative message, not really because
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people are embracing that message, but because they're tired of the Liberals and they felt feel
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they've had their chance. They're ready for somebody else. The opportunity is there. Yeah. And we are
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seeing that. I mean, I'll name a couple of you. Don Martin came up with just a scathing, uh, a tear
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into, uh, Justin Trudeau. Yeah. And, uh, Selly was another one, I believe, uh, that, uh, again, very
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critical and saying maybe as the veneer is coming off, the members are getting tired, the Liberal
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members are getting tired. Uh, so, I mean, it provides opportunity. Well, we saw with, we saw with
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the mandate issue, right? Uh, all of the opposition to these travel mandates, uh, that has been building and
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building and building. And, and yet it appears to be that it took the, the insiders, I'll call them,
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the Liberal members of parliament themselves, where they finally said, enough, enough, this is
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ridiculous. We're the only country left on the planet, basically, that still has these travel
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mandates in place. And it took that kind of pressure, internal pressure before, uh, Trudeau eventually
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said, okay, I'll, I'll lift the mandates. Well, we'll be watching with interest. They've got a lot to
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work with, but again, you know, as you said, there's two races they got to do, win the leadership
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and win the election. Exactly. Even more immediately pressing a move into the provincial one.
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Uh, so we got quite one developing. I believe now there's nine candidates announced, uh, for this one.
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We'll see. I'll kind of start though on that bar they set. What's the party signaling when they're
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saying you have to come up with $175,000 in two months just to run? Yeah. I, I, I, that bugs me. I,
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I gotta admit, I mean, I understand the need for a bar, but setting it that purpose
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ly high, I don't think it shows respect for the grassroots. No, not at all. I would agree a
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hundred percent with you. Uh, the last time I was on your program, we discussed that because
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we didn't know what the threshold would be at that point. And, uh, we also discussed,
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as I recall, Corey, the challenge that whoever runs and whoever wins, uh, and becomes our next
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premier by default is, uh, you know, they, at least for a few months, they'll be premier and hopefully
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longer, uh, you know, the challenges that they have. And one of those challenges I believe
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is to try to convince people that they're not elitist that are, they're not insiders and they
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will not govern like Jason Kenny did, or he allegedly did, which is that, you know, it was his way or the
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highway. He, um, he only consulted apparently with a very small number of people. It's sort of his core
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group of two or three advisors. He didn't even listen to his own cabinet or his, or his caucus.
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Um, you know, and I think that was really what would eventually inflamed the rank and file membership
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of the United Conservative Party against Mr. Kenny was this, whether it's right or not, the, the perception,
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and in politics, perception is reality, the perception that he wasn't listening to anybody, but a few
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insiders. And so the challenge will be for all of these candidates, uh, especially the cabinet
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ministers, especially former leaders like Brian Jean and Danielle Smith, uh, to convince Albertans at
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large, not just the UCP membership, convince Albertans at large that they can, um, broaden their base,
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that they will listen to the people as opposed to a few key insiders. So, yeah. And I mean,
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that's something we used to pride ourselves as reformers way back in the time, the fundraising
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numbers were always great because it showed it was $10 here. It was $50 there. It was a, uh, KFC
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bucket passed at a, at a town hall meeting or a cowboy hat. Yeah. And it was still, it added up to
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a lot of money. People really reached deeply and funded that party and that movement as it went and
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thousands and thousands of people did. But with this bar set and the timeline, it means no matter who
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gets into this race, it means they had a few very heavy duty donors in order to pull it off. They
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just don't have the time to build that network of grassroots support, but then you really, it's hard
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to sell yourself then when clearly you're at least a little beholden to five or six heavy duty donors
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or action groups or something of the sort in order to get in it. It's just an unfortunate way they went.
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I couldn't agree more. And you know, there again, last time I was on your program, a couple of weeks
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back, uh, we were talking about that. And we were talking about the advantage for the party
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and certainly for the individual to have somebody that's widely viewed as an outsider, a bridge
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builder. We used to call them in the reform party. Uh, somebody that could appeal to all like urban
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and rural, uh, was as comfortable in a boardroom, uh, talking to businessmen in Calgary or Edmonton
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as he or she would be, you know, standing with some crap on their boots in a farmyard, you know,
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and someone that could appeal to all age groups, you know, which would by necessity probably mean,
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uh, not myself, not a gray haired fella. Uh, we need somebody that can appeal to the next
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generation because it's them that's facing a lot of the challenges today. Yeah. And I don't fault the
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candidates. They weren't a part of the committee. So those who were entering, those who managed to
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make it, they did what they have to do to get in. Uh, Richard Blackburn say, yeah, he agrees it's high,
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but you know, you have to have something in place, you know, to ensure there aren't 40 candidates.
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And I agree, but we've always said there should be a bar, but you know, I I've always said like
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50 grand, that's a pretty good chunk, even, even at another 20 for a deposit on top of that. So
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we're talking 70, that's pretty sizable. A person isn't casually just gonna, especially if they don't
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think they're gonna win it, just throw that out there and, and jump in. That's still gonna keep
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it down to a, a number, but it's too late now, I guess it's the way it is. That's the way it's set.
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Yeah. Um, so a little on where they're going though. So they've been talking things that more of,
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uh, UNI's language and a lot of regionalism is really coming up right now. Uh, Danielle was on
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the show and she was talking about her sovereignty act. She's proposing. Brian Jean is talking about
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Alberta autonomy right on front and center on his campaign. Michelle Rimpel is looking to dip her toe
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in the water, perhaps. And, uh, she was again talking about standing up to Ottawa. So we're seeing a
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much more regionalist flavor from the candidates so far. Uh, you think that's gonna set as a theme
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throughout the campaign, or maybe they're getting that out early so they can get to policy later.
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Well, I hope it is. And I said that right from the beginning, as soon as, uh, um, Mr. Kenney
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announced that he was going to be stepping down and, you know, basically that was the start of the,
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the replacement race, um, at that time. And I said right away, I said, I hope that every single
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candidate that eventually runs not only commits to greater autonomy for Alberta, uh, and, and curbing
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the Ottawa overreach and the infringement on, on the provinces, really the, the basis of our economy.
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And when we look in particular, of course, the oil and gas industry and what's happened to that because
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of the, I would almost call it, it seems like a personal vendetta on the part of the prime minister
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to destroy our industry. And yet it's the cash cow, it's the golden goose, if you will, that's
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funding, uh, the country. You know, it makes no sense, but then so much of what Justin Trudeau does
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makes no sense. Yeah. Well, we're talking with a federal ideologically driven government. They
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don't listen to common sense. I was, I was talking to, uh, Franco Tarazano from the Taxpayers
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Federation earlier in the show. And again, we're, we're just stumped. I mean, Christia Freeland, okay,
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we don't expect much of the liberal government, but still, I mean, just the most basic thing,
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you know, is you can't keep spending or you're going to cause inflation. If we're going to stand
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up and say, we're going to spend 9 billion more dollars to fight inflation. It makes no sense.
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So this is not a government we can expect rational behavior from. So even though they're
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as reliant on oil for their revenues as anybody else is, they're still trying to attack it. They're
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still trying to knock it down. It's just like Joe Biden saying, oh, it's not my fault that the prices are
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high throughout North America. And now hold my hat while I go civil for oil over in Saudi Arabia.
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And I don't want any more Canadian stuff. It just defies sense. Exactly. Yeah. And I think
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increasingly, hopefully I say this increasingly Canadians in particular, Western Canadians are
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getting fed up with this hypocrisy on the part of leadership, whether it's in the States or here in
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Canada and increasingly people are calling them out on it. And well, they should. I know the one thing
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that prompted me a couple of years ago, you and I have talked about this to come out of
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my retirement at the time and start that new political party, the Maverick Party was this sense
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that I was just fed up with the hypocrisy where our political leadership say you and I as sort of
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average Canadians should do such and such. But then they turn around and don't apply those same rules to
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themselves. And I hope that the apathy that we've seen on the part of a lot of Canadians as they
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struggle, as you said earlier in the program, to meet their mortgage payments, to put food on the table,
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fuel in the car in order to go to work, as they struggle under those, that the apathy that we see
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towards politics will end. And there'll be more people involved in things like the Freedom Convoy
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Well, the apathy tends to go away when you finally get kicked in the butt.
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You know, talking about green things, climate emergencies, plans like that, that's all
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You know, so you can't, you can't feed your kids well enough or choosing between, you know,
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keeping them well dressed for school or, or buying a decent food. So I think people will be ready
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for change if, again, if the right person approaches them. So I mean, I think part of
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this regionalist approach too, is, I mean, we're seeing that too, from, from establishment candidates,
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Tays and others, they're trying to carefully distance themselves from Kenny while not being
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insulting at the same time. But they do, every candidate has to explain why am I different than
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Kenny, because he was rejected by the members. And there was no getting around that. And a large part
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of that was the fair deal panel. That was one of the things that really soured me. Like I was optimistic,
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Hey, you're going to strike this panel. You're going to go out. The panel comes back with 25
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recommendations, all of which I liked. And you know what he did? Nothing, not a damn thing. So,
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I mean, it looks like, well, in fairness, he held, he held a referendum. Yes. But, but then what happened
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after that, after, you know, 60, some percent, 63%, I think it was of Albertans, you know, said,
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yeah, there's something wrong here. We're voting against equalization as it's presently constituted in
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Canada. And I think with good reason, you know, that Albertans, especially when you get down to the,
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the family unit are struggling, they were struggling hard, then they're still struggling
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under the weight of taxes and, and increasing costs, inflation, you mentioned earlier, the idiocy
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of our federal government, where they spent hundreds of billions of dollars, you know, over,
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over the life of this COVID epidemic, what we believed was a COVID epidemic. And, you know,
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they couldn't make the connection that you spend that kind of money, you push that amount of money
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into society, you're going to fuel inflation. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think that the average person,
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whether they're, you know, a truck driver, a waitress, a farmer, whatever, just the average
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Canadian out there would say, that makes no sense. I mean, you're going to spend that kind of
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money, you are going to fuel inflation. It's just basic economics. I've been just,
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you know, when I get bored, I searched through some of my old tweets from a year or two ago,
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just to remind people and retweet myself. It's what I said a year and a half ago, guys,
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we can't keep pretending we didn't see it coming. Everybody kept saying, keep spending like this,
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we're going to get inflation. And lo and behold, here it is. I love it when I can say, I told you so.
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It's a lot easier when I say, no, I blew it, which I get to say now and then as well.
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Yeah. But as you point out, Corey, that even, you know, having the advantage of saying,
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I told you so, it doesn't help us in our present situation that a lot of people, not just you and I,
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but a lot of people can look back at what they wrote as a guest column in my case, or journalism
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in yours or statements that you've made in the past. That doesn't help today.
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Well, what it does is we still have time to stop. You didn't listen a year ago,
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but we're still spending now so that the advice still applies. It can get worse.
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Yeah. Anyway, back to the UCP leadership. I think the big challenge for some of these
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candidates is going to do exactly what you just mentioned a minute ago, is to distance themselves
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from the previous administration. And the cabinet ministers, and in particular, Travis Taves,
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that is a huge hill for him to climb, to be able to say to, first of all, the UCP membership,
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and then provided he was successful, and to Albertans, oh, that was Jason Kenney. That wasn't
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me. I won't operate that way. Well, you know, as some people, I think it was Lohan said recently,
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well, why didn't he speak out then? Well, it was obvious why he didn't speak out, because the minute
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you do... Would have been joining Lohan on the other end of the caucus.
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Exactly. He certainly wouldn't have been in cabinet, and it's only a short step after that to not even be in
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caucus. So, you know, there are constraints there. Nobody knows it better than a former whip,
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the control that the party and the leader has over his caucus.
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So, I mean, this, like the other one, is going to be a two-phase race. It's going to be who wins.
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I think that the regionalism is really planned strategically to reach out to those members
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who were really alienated by the lack of action or feeling of lack of action on Kenny's part.
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If it works, one of them is going to win. They get in. Now they've got six months, you know,
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maybe what, a short session in the legislature. I think they're going to have to hit the ground
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running with some action if they're going to... But careful action if they're going to win the
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next election in spring. That's going to take some pretty good political acumen.
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Yeah. And I would say, you know, that hopefully whoever it is, is going to learn a bit from history.
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One is that you have to have a united team. So the first thing is to try to, you know, heal the wounds
00:22:52.680
that are going to develop during the leadership race. We've seen that time and time again, no more
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so than currently happening with the CPC race, you know, where they're just sniping at each other
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constantly and dragging each other down. Hopefully we don't see that level in the provincial race.
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So the first task obviously will be to heal the internal divisions within the UCP. The worst case
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scenario is that, you know, if somebody wins that, like a Travis Tavis that's viewed as sort of a
00:23:22.840
conservative, the Wild Rose folks say, well, to hell with that. That wasn't my guy that won, so I'm leaving.
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And that was part of the problem, I think, all along where you saw people like Brian Jean that were
00:23:35.240
highly divisive right from the get go after Jason Kenney won the leadership. And so you've got that
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constant pressure and criticism, no matter what you do.
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We got a lot of, all the candidates, well, aside from a couple that you don't hear of, but the ones
00:23:49.720
that we know of have some baggage that they're carrying in that sort of way. I mean, Danielle
00:23:54.600
Smith, of course, made a catastrophic decision when she was leading the Wild Rose party. That's
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definitely her biggest hurdle to try and overcome as she's coming in. I mean, she's said it a hundred
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times and I think she's convinced some people, but some are still hesitant that she's learned and
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realizes it was an error and it's made her better for it. But a lot won't necessarily believe that.
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Brian Jean has been very divisive as well. I mean, he kind of stomped out the door once the leadership
00:24:19.160
was over and would he be more cooperative getting in? Michelle Rempel is now talking. Likewise with
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this federal race, with some of her poking on behalf of the Brown team, it's been pretty nasty from
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within. So they've really got their work cut out for them. I mean, sometimes the candidates you
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haven't heard of might have an advantage for some sour. The challenge though, as you've already
00:24:39.560
pointed out, Corey, and I can't agree more with you is that, that for an outsider to raise that kind of
00:24:46.440
money and meet those hurdles that they've put in place, you know, it's just a couple months away,
00:24:53.160
a month and a half, six weeks away where they got to write those big checks to the party is going to be a
00:24:59.400
real challenge. I mean, I don't think that many of these people that are well known names for good or bad,
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as you point out, they have their baggage, but they also have the advantage of being a household name,
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have a better chance of raising that kind of money in a short period of time. So we'll have to see where
00:25:16.680
that goes. But there's no question that these people are going to have to distance themselves from their own
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past. What we need to look for with all leadership races and all potential leaders is two key things,
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and you and I touched on it before. A leader has to have courage to withstand the pressure that
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undoubtedly will come, and they have to have judgment. Well, you just mentioned Danielle Smith. I
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think the big question still in a lot of Albertans' minds is, does she have the judgment to be our next
00:25:48.360
premier? And that'll be the hurdle for her, I think. Yeah, it's gonna be a tough one. I mean,
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she's gathering some steam. She was well received on the show. But again, a lot of critique, a lot of
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questioning. When you've, you know, everybody makes mistakes. Yes, but some mistakes are bigger than
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others. And it's so directly applied. Yes. So I mean, and again, one of the things Danielle always
00:26:08.040
talked about, I mean, another aspect you mentioned, though, is managing caucus, keeping them together,
00:26:12.760
then in United, whether it's Taves. I mean, he's definitely a contender for this. He's well
00:26:16.520
established. He's got no, he's got the baggage of being within the government. But he's personally
00:26:20.040
never done anything untoward. If he comes in, though, he's gonna have to reach out then to the
00:26:24.600
alienated ones, he's gonna have to reach out to Drew Barnes, Todd Lowen, even, you know, Leela here,
00:26:30.040
I mean, there's the list is fairly long of some outspoken caucus members that you can't afford to
00:26:35.400
just say, Oh, well, you're out now. And we're done with you. No, you got to pull these people in
00:26:39.560
convincingly, or you are going to go into the next election with Hornets Nest fighting within your caucus.
00:26:45.160
I think that most of us recognize that, you know, as I said, previously, sort of the non socialists,
00:26:52.600
which I hope are still the majority of Albertans that don't believe in, in socialism of the type
00:26:58.440
that's being peddled by the NDP, both provincially and federally, the non socialist Albertans,
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I've got to feel that this is, regardless of who wins, that this is a team, they can get behind,
00:27:12.520
that this is a team that's united, that as you say, there's room for everybody inside the tent,
00:27:18.120
keep everybody pulling in the traces together. And we'll see where that goes. But if they don't do
00:27:24.360
that, if they can't, you know, there's an age old thing that I'm often reminded about, when it comes
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to political parties, and that is if they're divisive, and they're, they're seen as that that
00:27:35.000
they can't, it's like, if they if you can't govern yourself, what would lead you to believe that you
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should ask in this case, Albertans to give you the chance to govern them? Yeah. And that's the
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And their timeline is tight. Well, I'm going to be before I let you go, I will be interviewing
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all of them, I'm sure over the course of this, I got three more of the leadership candidates kind
00:27:57.480
of just next week alone, and I had Danielle yesterday. So what would you think I should
00:28:01.160
ask them as a prime question? Well, I think, for me, at least, and obviously, as the founder of the
00:28:09.160
Maverick Party, the big issue, and you got back to it with the your mention of the fair deal panel
00:28:14.600
recommendations. Is that why is it that nobody has taken a look at the five constitutional amendments
00:28:24.360
that I put forward as as part of the Maverick platform, and actually to draw attention, it's not
00:28:30.360
like we'll ever accomplish them, but draw attention to the inequities and the unfairness that's that
00:28:36.280
Ottawa heaps on Western Canada. Nobody has mentioned that type of thing and said, Okay, well, it's unlikely
00:28:42.920
that that's ever going to be accomplished. But that's what needs to be accomplished if Albertans
00:28:47.720
are ever going to be treated fairly. So and the fair deal panel, another one, it's not enough that
00:28:53.000
these people and I question Danielle Smith in the sense of calling it a sovereignty act, because my
00:28:58.280
belief is that as soon as you talk about sovereignty or separatism, you're going to lose people, right?
00:29:04.360
If you talk about autonomy, or some form of independence, and that's what I was trying to do
00:29:09.240
with Maverick was talk about the need for greater independence and where we stop along the spectrum
00:29:17.160
is up to Albertans and up to Westerners, you know, so you can have independence at various levels and
00:29:24.280
enacting various things along the way from the fair deal panel as an example. But if I was asking them
00:29:31.960
questions, I'd be saying, Okay, what's your timeline? How have you prioritized what you're going to do,
00:29:38.120
like whether it's a pension plan, whether it's control of taxation, whether it's, you know,
00:29:42.600
that you're going as she has mentioned, there's certain federal laws, she's going to say,
00:29:47.400
you know, they shouldn't apply to Alberta, that's fine. How are you going to do that?
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And what is your timeline? Because one of the lessons with Mr. Kenny, as you say,
00:29:56.760
was the disappointment that he didn't walk the talk.
00:30:00.760
Well, you do have to follow through. Well, there'll be lots to talk about and lots to watch. So
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thanks for coming in to talk with us today. I'm sure we'll talk again further soon as things develop.
00:30:10.360
Well, I hope so. Yeah, I always enjoy our conversations. Thanks so much, Corey.