Western Standard reporter Jen Hodgson joins us to talk about the debate, the debate questions, and the post debate press conferences. We also discuss the lack of depth in the debate and how the questions were handled by the moderator.
00:16:40.260But we are watching the comments right now.
00:16:42.600And, you know, we're not going to reply to everybody as we go, but we're watching it.
00:16:46.760It will inform things to some extent if you're not crazy.
00:16:50.540But, you know, I want to bring up this one here. Someone's username is based Nat. Why aren't they talking about immigration? That's, you know, I was talking about this before the French language debate yesterday that, you know, why does Quebec or French Quebec get to have a debate about immigration?
00:17:16.180we don't it's extremely important here and you know there were a lot of apologists
00:17:20.120uh for the for that decision saying well it's a different thing in Quebec it's about protecting
00:17:24.700their culture etc well you know with the immigration numbers we've had uh immigration
00:17:30.380has become all of a sudden a very important issue in the mainstream not just kind of on the harder
00:17:34.420right and defending our own culture it's not just economics it is also about the ability of a
00:17:39.600culture to absorb and assimilate people in a digestible manner. And Corey, why do you think
00:17:46.480it is that the Federal Debate Commission here has decided it's okay for Quebecers to talk about
00:17:51.160immigration and not okay for the rest of Canada? And this is not actually me making a slag on
00:17:57.240Quebec. I do that often enough. This is not a slag on Quebec, but this is a slag on the
00:18:02.260Debate Commission for saying it's okay for Quebec to talk about it, but not okay for us. We should
00:18:06.540both be talking about well yeah that's quebec's get out of jail free card when it comes to cultural
00:18:10.520protection when it comes to them it's a right when it comes to them it's important when it
00:18:13.960comes to quebec we must bend over to make sure they can keep themselves a pure french state
00:18:18.120but if alberta says we want to maintain immigration and just keep it to a controllable level
00:18:23.720we're bigots we're intolerant we're xenophobic i mean that's the the narrative and i think none
00:18:28.400of the party leaders to be honest i don't think it's just the debate commission i think the other
00:18:31.880party leaders are happy during the federal debate as well, like during the English debate,
00:18:38.700because it's a sensitive one. They talk around it. I think most of them do understand they've
00:18:43.440got to get it under control, but you know what the reaction is. As soon as you even talk about
00:18:47.120cutting immigration, you're going to get called the B word. So I just want to, just a note to
00:18:52.200studio here, unless we're talking to Jen, let's keep her volume off because she's in,1.00
00:18:56.900she appears to be in a wind tunnel so uh hey hey we finally managed to quiet jen0.99
00:19:02.840um okay speaking of let's let's bring jen back in uh jen you were in uh the lineup for questions1.00
00:19:12.100in the media scrum post debate yesterday uh you didn't get in uh in i guess in time because there
00:19:19.140was quite a big lineup um but there there's quite a quite a to-do in the media today that it was
00:19:26.260independent media outlets, Rebel, True North, Juno, The Hub. Let's just keep Jen muted until I'm0.83
00:19:36.100ready for her here. Just a lot of noise there. There was quite a to-do that they were outraged
00:19:42.640that these other independent outlets asked the majority of the questions. Now, there's some
00:19:49.560history in that. It's that the Trudeau government tried to ban, or the Trudeau Debate Commission
00:19:54.560tried to ban independent, non-government-funded media outlets from previous debates, and there
00:20:00.920were court injunctions about that. The Debates Commission this time said, ah, we don't want to
00:20:07.140get sued last minute again. We know we're going to lose. You have to allow independent media,
00:20:11.900and it can't be just the government media. So they let them in. And I guess they worked the
00:20:16.620lineup system very well and managed to actually ask a majority of the questions. But you've been
00:20:21.980hanging out with journalists uh for the last two days there uh in montreal um both the independents
00:20:29.720and the legacy legacy guys what's the attitude coming from from both of them on on both sides
00:20:36.180about how that post-debate uh press conference section uh went yesterday honestly the legacy
00:20:43.640media journalists were quite upset with how that went um it's true everyone got in line up super
00:20:50.800fast i was standing alongside actually another rebel and we were right coming up next to the mic
00:20:57.600and uh we could hear from the back of the line some reporters that were uh heckling yelling out
00:21:04.720that questions were too long and why would you ask that and so that was really honestly
00:21:09.360disappointing to see that journalists were heckling other journalists and uh even i even saw
00:21:15.040one come up and confront one of the conservative uh independent journalists so there is that
00:21:21.760although you know people are still amicable in the media center it's still um professional
00:21:28.480it's just when it comes right down to the questions uh tensions get high
00:21:33.520uh you know nigel i did find i mean there were some not all but some of the questions from
00:21:41.280independent more conservative leading journalists yesterday it did include a bit of a statement of
00:21:47.560opinion in the preamble of it and to an extent i think that's fine yeah you know you're kind of
00:21:53.920laying the context the context and the groundwork of the question but i thought some of them went a
00:21:59.260little a little further and the question some of the questions weren't related to the debate and
00:22:04.360then journalists can ask whatever they want but i mean it's a debate scrum should probably be
00:22:09.080relevant to the debate itself um yeah but some of the questions from the independents i thought were
00:22:14.520were actually were quite excellent but i i think it was a mixed bag and i don't mean to be overly
00:22:19.880critical of our our friends and colleagues of the other independents uh some of them were good but1.00
00:22:23.800i thought i thought some of them were a bit when you'd make it more of a statement than a question
00:22:29.720you make it maybe too much about yourself i don't know what was your thought yes i have to agree
00:22:37.640and i'm not going to pick on or name any one of the other individuals i i like these people yeah
00:22:42.840of course you do and you know i mean if some of them want to make their own trousers that's fine
00:22:46.760too but uh it's the is it i think whatever the mainstream media think about this the tide is
00:22:55.720turning and you know where it turned first in all places the white house it is the white house press
00:23:02.680The press corps now includes specific placements for independent media, the American equivalents
00:23:11.920of ourselves and some of them are considerably larger.
00:23:14.680I've noticed this caused a great deal of resentment among what they would call the mainstream
00:33:12.600Well, last night to me felt like a bit of a status quo debate.
00:33:15.000Everybody was playing it pretty safe, trying to achieve their very modest goals.
00:33:19.280Nobody really hit it out of the park there.
00:33:21.520And that's not going to do it tonight.
00:33:23.380It'll do it for Mark Carney because he's leading and he's the frontrunner.
00:33:26.060But the other leaders do have to do something exceptional.
00:33:29.040And for Pierre Polyer, when I think about the debate last night,
00:33:32.900he kind of faded into the background a little bit.
00:33:34.740he needs to have a he needs to be much more uh impose himself on the debate kind of set the tone
00:33:39.540a little bit um he didn't do that last night he didn't need to do that last night but he needs to
00:33:43.860do it tonight and it's just from our carney a draw is a win for him tonight and so he he can play it
00:33:50.660safe yeah you know i i i want to dig a little bit into the the numbers and the calculation with you
00:33:55.540eric though because you know again last night was a french language debate of course there are franco
00:34:00.980uh canadians right across the country but of particular importance in quebec given the number
00:34:05.860of seats in quebec and given the number of francophone voters in quebec and if pierre
00:34:11.060polyev wants to form government arguably he needs to do better than the polls are predicting he's
00:34:16.980going to do in quebec right now he's now facing the leaders once again in the english language debate
00:34:23.780what's the potential to turn things around is government even a potential for the conservatives
00:34:30.660at this point given as you said not a lot of impact or change that comes out the french
00:34:35.060language debate last night it i mean the the odds are always potentially there we can't say that
00:34:39.860something spectacular can't happen tonight and when it comes to the conservatives but
00:34:43.620in quebec you could play it safe because their ceiling was maybe an extra two or three seats
00:34:47.860in the english language debate it's everything for the conservatives they need to not only win
00:34:52.740a handful of seats they need to swing 40 50 60 seats in ontario based on where the polls are
00:34:57.380right now they need to swing a dozen seats in british colombia uh they need to do a lot and
00:35:02.500for pure poliev the french language debate might have been a good opportunity to shore up the
00:35:07.400support that he has in quebec it's one of the places where they have more support than they
00:35:10.120did in the last election but tonight it really is that he winner he he he probably can't lose
00:35:16.180the election tonight but he can win it tonight and but if he does it again it would be the kind
00:35:21.440of thing that would we'll talk about in in decades to come so are we in for that kind of night or not
00:35:26.720one of these historic evenings i guess we'll find out see none of you are going to leave now
00:35:34.160that might be what we're watching out for here but you know let's break down that a little bit
00:35:38.720more though eric because regionally from my understanding the liberals are clearly have
00:35:43.600the lead in in atlantic canada right now clearly have the lead in quebec right now uh and even in
00:35:49.360ontario so so can you talk to us a bit about the numbers that we're you're tracking there yeah well
00:35:53.520in ontario the lead the liberals have is roughly about nine points and we've seen that hold pretty
00:35:57.680firmly throughout this uh election and that is a bigger margin than trudeau won with in his
00:36:02.800minority governments and you know it's similar to when he won uh majority government in 2015.
00:36:08.160the conservatives need to be leading in ontario they need to see a huge swing in ontario so
00:36:13.440if polio could choose one set of voters to talk to tonight it would be those ontario voters
00:36:17.680primarily in the GTA, where his two predecessors were unable to break into. And if Pierre Poirier
00:36:24.400fails to do that again, well, that's three for three when it comes to leaders in Stephen Harper.
00:36:28.960Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Laurie, what do you think of the challenge in terms of breaking
00:36:33.040into Ontario for the Conservatives at this point in the campaign?
00:36:37.120This is it. This is the key battleground. I mean, when you look across, I can, I mean,
00:36:42.320in atlantic canada it looked like for a while uh the conservatives were really going to benefit
00:36:47.760from the fact that atlantic canada was done with trudeau they were angry at the carbon tax they
00:36:52.640want to change but and the conservatives put up some really strong candidates but we there's only
00:36:57.60032 seats in atlantic canada combined ontario how in the world could the conservatives turn this
00:37:05.280around without making a huge break in ontario and they've got more votes than they need in the west
00:37:10.640Like, this is the key battleground for them.
00:37:13.420British Columbia looked like it was going to go more their way,
00:37:15.600and now it's back into a kind of a toss-up situation, I think.
00:37:19.700With a more, and correct me if I'm wrong here, Eric,
00:37:21.860with a more efficient vote for the Liberals, even in British Columbia.
00:37:24.720Yeah, because in some ways, the interior is Alberta for the Conservatives.
00:37:29.380Yeah, and so, I mean, it's hard to see how this would go any other way
00:37:33.760than Liberal unless the Conservatives are really able to build something in Ontario.
00:37:39.260And I have to think, Polyev's trouble in terms of trying to build support among women must be a significant drag in terms of him trying to bring his numbers up in Ontario.
00:37:51.360What is the split with women when it comes to Polyev, Eric?
00:37:54.600Usually the Conservatives are behind by 15 points or so among women, and it's more or less a toss-up among men.
00:38:01.720When it's a toss-up among men for the Liberals, that's usually a very strong sign because they tend to do better among women.
00:38:06.300But they have a huge margin to overcome the Conservatives and women voters.0.81
00:38:10.800And, you know, there's not a single woman on the stage tonight.
00:38:13.460Yeah, yeah, which was noted last night as well.
00:43:55.700Seeing what Donald Trump did to attack Canada
00:43:58.580in this unprovoked way, without any justification, really felt like a betrayal.
00:44:03.160And so Canadians now are right to say, well, we don't really trust Donald Trump at this point,
00:44:07.340and we can't really have a lot of faith in him.
00:44:09.280So when it comes to our Arctic sovereignty and our security,
00:44:12.020we need to make decisions that are in our best interest
00:44:14.120and no longer be so dependent and so reliant on the U.S.
00:44:18.080And that's what I would advocate for, making sure we are resilient, independent,
00:44:22.460and less dependent on the United States.
00:44:24.020Mr. Blanchet, for you, what supports would you want to see for industries affected by tariffs, many, of course, of which are in Quebec?
00:44:31.900Many of them. First, we all will come in Quebec and Montreal. You have me because I try not to speak English in Montreal.
00:44:39.620However, I think we should never underestimate the threat that Mr. Trump poses on Quebec economy and Canada economy and Mexico economy.
00:44:48.940but we must acknowledge the fact that the economy of quebec is built differently the challenges are
00:44:55.660not the same the necessity for quebec to have at least partly its own voice in the negotiation
00:45:01.900is important the difference between quebec and canada is very important in terms of economy but
00:45:07.500also in terms of identity and language and values and who we are and the way we want to handle
00:45:12.300immigration so we have the right to be different and if this difference is being respected by
00:45:19.540whoever becomes prime minister of canada we will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best
00:45:25.420possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners merci monsieur blanchet
00:45:31.620okay we now move into open debate and i'll start it off mr carney with you and then we go from
00:45:36.640there. Do you still support dollar for dollar tariffs, even if they ultimately threaten
00:45:42.300Canadian jobs and businesses? No. And in fact, we've already moved off from dollar for dollar
00:45:48.480tariffs. You know, we have to recognize, and I think we all do, the United States economy is
00:45:52.980more than 10 times the size of the Canadian economy. And the principle in terms of our
00:45:57.760counter tariffs is to have maximum impact in the United States, as I said a moment ago,
00:46:01.920minimum impact here. So we have to think about the impact on Canadian businesses. I'll give you
00:46:07.160one example, if I may. In the auto sector, the way we've designed those auto tariffs
00:46:11.240is that Canadian automakers, if they maintain production here, if they maintain their investments
00:46:18.160here, when I say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and plants and production
00:46:23.940in Canada, then they can have lower tariffs on what they ship to the United States. We create
00:46:30.300a huge incentive for them in order to do that we also have carved out the canadian auto parts sector
00:46:36.460last point i know you're pressed for time uh the canadian auto parts sector so that it can
00:46:40.540remain competitive uh with the united states we're focused on maximizing canadian jobs
00:46:45.260maximizing the harm in the u.s um so that we get them where we need mr polly everyone in then mr
00:46:51.580mr carney um you claim that you want our country to respond with strength but after the last decade
00:47:00.300half of which time you've been justin trudeau's economic advisor our economy is weaker than ever
00:47:06.300before it's been the worst growth in the g7 we've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south
00:47:11.260of the border you supported blocking pipelines in canada that gave donald trump and the us a near
00:47:18.940monopoly over our energy and now you want to keep in place bill c69 the liberal no new development
00:47:28.780law that blocks us from shipping our resources overseas how could you possibly think it's a good
00:47:35.660idea to give the americans a continued monopoly on our energy projects when you have seen how much
00:47:43.580these liberal policies have weakened our country over the last decade let mr khani respond then
00:47:48.860mr sir sure if i may yes um so let's go to my record my record is a month long as prime minister
00:47:55.820and this goes to the heart of coming to the americans with strength but doing the right
00:47:59.580thing for canada within the first week as prime minister i sat down with all the premiers of the
00:48:04.540provinces and territories as well as the leaders of the indigenous peoples got an agreement with
00:48:10.780all the provinces and territories doesn't happen very often got an agreement for them to have one
00:48:15.180canadian economy instead of 13 first point secondly to commit the federal government to do its part
00:48:20.700by canada day so free trade in canada by canada day thirdly the federal government to commit with
00:48:26.540respect to project the question was about i'm getting to it the thirdly one project one review
00:48:32.620and relying relying that's on provincial yes it is possible and it is possible on our system
00:48:38.780it is uh the impact assessment it is it is agreed on under the impact assessment framework and we
00:48:44.780have a cooperation agreement with british columbia already we're looking forward to them with the
00:48:49.020other promises we will move forward of course we agree around having a strategic response
00:48:55.980united states but what i'm concerned about is what we're doing here in canada we are already
00:49:00.780seeing threats to our country and that just the threats alone of the tariffs have made canadians
00:49:05.740have lost their jobs the threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now the threat the impact
00:49:10.300of those tariffs is that we've lost jobs in steel aluminum in the auto sector people are already
00:49:15.740losing their jobs. And while Mr. Carney, you had time, as you mentioned, not very long time,
00:49:20.580but as prime minister, you showed us your priorities. The first thing you did is you
00:49:24.840had traveled, you made a tax cut for billionaires, which was reversing on the capital gains. So you
00:49:29.860gave a tax cut to millionaires, but you didn't have time to increase the amount that workers
00:49:34.680get on EI. Right now, workers who are struggling and wondering, what am I going to do if I lose
00:49:40.980my job workers who've lost their job are saying how do I pay my bills when EI only covers half
00:49:46.600of a worker's salary maybe 40 years ago that would have worked but right now most workers
00:49:50.960are spending their entire salary just to pay the bills to pay their mortgage and their rent
00:49:55.940and to put food on the table so EI is not good enough and it shows Canadians that you didn't
00:50:00.520make it a priority to protect those that are impacted by these tariffs that are a threat
00:50:05.180because their jobs are lost we have not heard from Monsieur Blanchet yet in this segment so
00:50:09.000please. Yeah, Mr. Carney, you are becoming a real Canadian leader saying one thing in French and
00:50:13.980another one in English. You said in British Columbia in February that you would force oil
00:50:20.300and gas through pipelines through Quebec, either we wanted it or not. You would use emergency
00:50:26.740powers in order to do so. And two days later in Montreal, you said that you would never do that
00:50:32.360without the approval of Quebec. What's the point of using emergency powers if you do have
00:50:38.940the agreement of Quebec. However, I do agree with you. It's important to be very strong in front of
00:50:44.660Mr. Trump. However, I would keep the dollar for dollar policy. Don't be weak in front of Mr. Trump.
00:50:53.840And those counter-tariffs have to be targeted. You have put out already two billions of dollars for
00:51:02.380Ontario auto industry car industry and the lumberwood industry in Quebec has already paid
00:51:08.700to United States two billions of dollars and you have not raised one finger in order to help us
00:51:14.660let's get from Mr Poliev and then a response from Mr Kearney well Mr Kearney refused to answer the
00:51:20.080question about pipelines just the other day he said that he doesn't necessarily think we need
00:51:25.240to build pipelines let me tell you what that means right now the Americans get 97 percent of
00:51:31.200oil a hundred percent of our natural gas exports at big discounts we have to send canadian oil from
00:51:37.520western canada through the states just to get it back to quebec because we don't have a pipeline
00:51:42.400and now there's this law liberal law c69 would affect effectively bans pipelines the 14 biggest
00:51:49.600energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project
00:51:54.720and i asked mr carney why he would keep in place this anti-pipeline law that effectively
00:52:00.800empowers donald trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export why would you not repeal
00:52:08.960this liberal law isn't it because you are exactly the same in the same line as justin trudeau and
00:52:15.760the rest of the liberal team that is now making up your cabinet let's get a response well let's uh
00:52:21.120let me pick up a couple of points that have been made the first thing i did as prime minister was
00:52:25.040to cut the carbon tax uh that's the first thing second thing is made a commitment made a commitment
00:52:30.640that all proceeds all proceeds from our tariffs will go to workers and those questions there were
00:52:37.200several points so far i may if mr steve if i may redress i'm trying to do it quickly because several
00:52:42.880points raised all proceeds go to workers and the firm's most effective and those proceeds are
00:52:48.720considerable third thing in i'm interested in solutions i'm interested in getting energy
00:52:54.160infrastructure built that means pipelines that means carbon capture storage that means electricity
00:52:58.560grids and here's how you do it and we've already moved in the first in the first month cooperation
00:53:03.920agreements with the provinces guess what we are a federation you need to cooperate with quebec
00:53:08.000you need to cooperate with the provinces you need to get first nations and indigenous people buy-in
00:53:12.880you can do that through through the one project one review uh window that we put in place at that
00:53:19.200first minister's meeting as well as if necessary using emergency powers to fulfill the federal
00:53:25.440responsibility but not the unique mr poliev you want to come back on that what you're saying mr
00:53:29.760carney with respect is a total contradiction the no new development law c69 guarantees there will
00:53:37.440not be one-stop-shop because it requires the government of canada to actually duplicate
00:53:43.360the same project have no regulation have one control over any energy
00:53:51.600let's just let him finish the sentence that is not true in fact mr saying the reality is we
00:53:56.080should have strong rules enforced once we shouldn't have multiple levels that takes
00:54:02.320it takes now 17 years to get a major project approved in this country that is why in the last
00:54:09.36010 years, we've had the worst economic growth in the entire G7. We cannot afford a fourth
00:54:16.920liberal term. We need a change. And the conservative plan for a change will include
00:54:21.880repealing the anti-pipeline law so we can get our energy to markets other than the United States.
00:54:26.660Mr. Singh and Mr. Cardi. While these two compete about who's more pro-pipeline,
00:54:30.440I think what we need to do is, I mean, it's clear, the liberals bought a pipeline,
00:54:33.640they built a pipeline. I don't know what PR is complaining about. That's what they did.
00:54:37.240I think what we need to do if we're talking about energy in our country we need to build an east-west
00:54:42.100grid let's use our power as a nation to build a national project that creates good jobs that
00:54:47.740strengthens us for the future where we connect the low-cost energy from jurisdictions and provinces
00:54:53.300across this beautiful land and have low-cost energy for businesses for people so we can build
00:54:58.520a stronger economy that's the the energy of the future that we need Mr. Carney three quick points
00:55:02.860First, the pipeline built, yes, TMX built.
00:55:07.380That's why oil exports up 50% over the course of the last few years.
00:55:11.040Secondly, Mr. Singh is absolutely right about the east-west grid.
00:55:16.020Grid interconnections, which is part of the energy corridor, huge opportunities for this country.
00:55:20.020We have to be able to do more than one thing.
00:55:22.800Third point, fundamental point, we can give ourselves far more than Donald Trump can ever take away.
00:55:28.560If we have one Canadian economy, not 13, and if we just look at that agreement we got with the provinces, look at what Ontario and Nova Scotia have just announced in terms of their steps towards this, this is within our grasp.
00:55:41.500Monsieur Blanchet, what should we be prepared to concede in our negotiations with the United States?
00:55:46.920I want to be back to something that Mr. Carney said.
00:55:51.100You can't do something and de-aposit and you can't fill people's mind with nonsense.
00:55:56.280Quebec has, by law, its own environmental review institution, and you cannot, through a federal decision, even through a Quebec government decision, go over the BAP, as we call it.
00:56:13.240If the BAP says no, she said, it's no.
01:09:50.760I thought that answer was quite revealing.
01:09:52.400The first thing is that it's an attitude towards housing that absolutely ignores affordable housing, deeply affordable housing, issues with vulnerable people, ignores the rental market, ignores all other aspects of it.
01:10:05.760So the six are the relevant. Mr. Singh is absolutely right. The six are the relevant 200,000.
01:10:11.700The 200,000 are a different part of the housing market. There are many Canadians. There are many Canadians at different income levels.
01:10:19.440The second thing it reveals is a misunderstanding or, well, a misunderstanding, I'll be polite, of how the government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous private investment.
01:10:34.440And that is what we need to do to solve the housing crisis.
01:10:37.300It happens to be what we need to do as a whole to address the economic crisis that's been forced on us by President Trump.
01:10:46.220Yeah. You have spoken much more than I have, so I won't ask a question. I will make a statement instead. I'm not saying no, I'm not saying that you cannot do what you pretend that you are able to do. We just have no proof so far. I'm saying quite clearly that you cannot be entitled to do it alone.
01:11:04.800You cannot be entitled to hold all the power in your two hands.
01:11:09.040You cannot go out there and fix things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously checked by serious people.
01:11:17.320You cannot go out there and speak for Quebec without Quebec having its own strong voice to protect itself and to promote its different economy.
01:11:27.180So, if you want to collaborate, let's say right now that whatever happens, even if minority government happens, you will be a partner with the different Quebec economy and identity, which you have been not interested in for the economic part and not respectful for the identity part.
01:11:47.700Let me get Mr. Singh in it at this point.
01:11:49.660Can you tell us what's the first thing you would do to make life more affordable for Canadians?
01:11:54.020There's a lot of things that we can do, and I've laid out some of those things.
01:11:56.580I think fundamentally I'm the only person on stage that not only fought for real relief for people
01:12:01.140in terms of affordability I'm the only one that fought for pharmacare that actually makes life
01:12:05.780more affordable at giving people medication coverage dental care it gives people more
01:12:09.880affordability by letting them access their services if you're a senior and a kid I fought
01:12:14.500for child care to make sure people could afford child care all measures that Mr. Polyev voted
01:12:19.260against all measures that Mr. Blanchet voted against so if you want someone that's going to
01:12:23.560fight for you in Ottawa, to actually make life more affordable. You can't entrust all the power
01:12:28.500to Mr. Carney. He doesn't have a track record of making life more affordable for people,
01:12:32.840but we do. So vote for a new Democrat, and we'll continue this work to make life more affordable
01:12:37.120for you. Follow the Conservatives and the Bloc have voted against those measures to make life
01:12:41.260affordable, because that's not who they care about. New Democrats are in it for you.0.93
01:12:45.200Pierre Pelyaev. The number one expense for families today is taxes, more than they spend
01:12:50.780on food clothing and shelter combined this after 10 years of liberal tax increases we can't afford
01:12:57.660a fourth term of high liberal taxes that's why conservatives have a plan for change and that
01:13:03.700planning plan voted against every measure to help people out cutting income taxes by 15 percent for
01:13:09.300the average worker and seniors saving a working couple up to two thousand dollars rewarding hard
01:13:14.560work again because hard work is actually being punished is actually being punished because of
01:13:21.180the very high taxes now the liberals promised 10 years ago they would lower them they actually rose
01:13:26.620to raise taxes on 9 out of 10 canadians we need a change in this country because your hard work
01:13:33.080should once again pay off with a powerful paycheck that buys you an affordable food
01:13:37.660affordable home on a safe street and that's what we will deliver you want to save people
01:13:41.780two thousand dollars but cut their dental care which is thousands of dollars cut their child
01:13:45.660care which is thousands of dollars cut pharma care coverage which is thousands of dollars
01:13:49.380that's not a very good math deal right there you're going to cut you're going to save people
01:13:52.720two thousand but cost them tens of thousands of dollars that's why you cannot afford conservatives
01:13:57.340and you certainly can't trust the liberals on their own you need new democrats mark kearney
01:14:01.080uh i'm going to reinforce that point and then i'll respond to mr blanchet um child care in
01:14:07.680this country three thousand to ten thousand dollars a year for a family depending on where
01:14:12.180you live province jurisdiction depending on where you live that's that's what's being saved there
01:14:17.800eight hundred dollars per trip to the dentist we've expanded dental care to eight million
01:14:22.860canada eight million canada pharma care these are fundamental issues for affordability we're
01:14:29.820talking about affordability and taking them off in order that's why you need that tax
01:14:34.660that's not what i've said and in terms of income working with quebec for canadian yes absolutely
01:14:41.620throughout the short time i've been prime minister working directly with the premier of quebec
01:14:48.260our minister of foreign affairs our minister of finance are from quebec quebec and quebec issues
01:14:53.780whether it's why i've answered mr goes a letter he asked five things in a letter he reduced his
01:15:00.900expectations we're talking about and you're did not even answer him and tonight you are so much
01:15:06.900in love with quebec steve uh the question that canadians have to ask why vote whether is why
01:15:16.420mr singh sorry he has the floor the question you have to ask is after a decade of liberal promises
01:15:24.340can you afford food is your housing more affordable than it used to be
01:15:28.260What is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago?
01:15:33.520And are you prepared to elect the same liberal MPs, the same liberal ministers, the same liberal staffers all over again for a fourth term?
01:15:40.480Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal, writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.
01:15:49.960How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal government?
01:15:56.780five seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that. Look, I do my own talking points.
01:16:02.100Thank you very much. The biggest risk we have to affordability, the biggest risk we have to this
01:16:09.980economy is Donald Trump. So first and foremost, we've got to get that right. Secondly, we need
01:16:15.120to do it in a way that brings everyone along together. That means preserving pharma care,
01:16:22.460dental care child care reinforcing health care spending our intrusion intrusion intrusion intrusion
01:16:28.520in Quebec jurisdiction over and again I like if you're any better than we are the clock is there
01:16:34.580one thing Canadians can do that Quebecers cannot do you are doing intrusions in our jurisdiction0.94
01:16:40.400with our money pretending you are better and most of the time you try to copy what we did
01:16:46.280with our own money against us what's that as a policy don't you have your own things
01:16:51.580gentlemen, that really is time for this segment. I wanted to be polite and let everybody finish
01:16:55.680their points, but we've got to move on. So I took the liberty. Thank you. Okay, that ends
01:17:00.560section two. Up next, public safety and security. Fight crime to protect Canadians and to build
01:17:09.120communities that are safe, secure, and strong. Keep crimes, drugs, stolen cars, and other illegal
01:17:16.300substances out of our country. We're going to invest in our borders, and that means hiring0.99
01:17:20.940more border officers. Resources are in short supply, not enough stuff. This is not the nice
01:17:28.360way to treat people who come to our border. Okay, same format, one-on-one questions and then open
01:17:36.880debate. Monsieur Blanchet, you get to go first in this one. Public safety and security, for a lot
01:17:42.220of people, that means the fentanyl crisis. I'd like to know what you could contribute to
01:18:21.560The situation of one person asking for asylum may take as much as four years without us reducing the number in order to deal with them in a human way.
01:18:34.100The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced because we cannot afford the fact that we are receiving much, much more people in Quebec from this specific type of immigration than we can afford, and we cannot teach them French.1.00
01:18:50.520That's time, Monsieur Blanchet. We can, of course, return to the immigration issue during open debate, should you choose to.
01:19:06.340Yeah, I think, well, what we've seen with that policy is some success at the commercial level,
01:19:12.300but not at the individual level, because it hasn't been, in my opinion,
01:19:16.120it hasn't been organized properly, and it needs to be organized properly.
01:19:19.880And I've instructed the Minister of National Security and Public Safety in order to do that.
01:19:26.880So part of this is a different focus of government, a focus on results, a focus on clear milestones in the short term.
01:19:34.100Let me make a broader point, though, on gun, which is that we have a problem with guns coming over borders, which is why we tighten our borders.
01:19:42.340We have an issue, though, with a gun industry that is continually coming up with new forms of assault rifles, mass killing machines.
01:27:27.660Mr. Pierre Polyev, when he was in power in the Conservatives,
01:27:31.140they cut the number of border officers.
01:27:33.020They reduced the number, weakening our borders.
01:27:35.720We can't trust them to do these other things.
01:27:37.140Let's get back to Mr. Polyev on the issue of
01:27:39.480whether in using the Notwithstanding Clause under these circumstances would be a kind of a slippery slope
01:27:44.000and encourage politicians to use it more?
01:27:46.960No, we will use it to protect the charter rights of law-abiding Canadians.
01:27:51.860I'm interested in the rights of victims.
01:27:54.940Mr. Carney seems to be very interested in the rights of criminals.
01:27:59.320He says that it's dangerous for me to ensure that mass murderers stay behind bars for life.
01:28:06.120You know what's dangerous? Turning them loose on our streets.
01:28:09.480I don't think you appreciate, sir, the chaos that is unfolding in communities.
01:28:13.720In Toronto right now, the police have been forced to tell people to just let people, let the thief steal the car.
01:28:21.680When they break into the house, just take the keys.
01:28:23.980Just let them take the keys so that you don't get hurt.
01:28:27.140People are living in terror in many of our communities precisely because of the catch and release bail law, C-75,
01:28:34.480which requires judges release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the least onerous
01:28:41.460conditions. Every single member of your Liberal caucus and your Liberal cabinet voted in favour
01:28:48.460of this bill and they are all determined to keep it in place despite constant promises to the
01:28:54.380contrary. Mr Carney, Canadians deserve to live in peace and security. That is the right that I'm
01:29:01.400fighting for, for a change. I'm fighting for that as well. And let me be specific about two things
01:29:07.520that have been raised. The first is with respect to these issues of car theft, home invasion,
01:29:14.720and I'll use the greater, the GTA area where there has been sharp increase. How do you attack that?
01:29:21.940You attack it several ways. One, you increase the criminal penalties for that happening,
01:29:27.740particularly if you're part of a gang particularly if you use a firearm and you will do that and
01:29:33.380we're doing so we've committed uh to doing so you put in place a reverse onus in terms of bail
01:29:38.360so that it has to be proven that there's not a risk which we've also committed to and then you
01:29:43.140go to what mr singh was talking about which is we have to reinforce our frontiers that's why we're
01:29:48.920committing to an extra thousand canada border service agents an extra thousand rcmp's that's
01:29:55.320why as part of the broader Fentanyl initiative, where we've added to the RCMP there, we've added
01:30:01.700drones, we're adding helicopters, we're adding surveillance, and we're going to the other end of
01:30:07.000the chain with respect to CAR TAP, which is tightening security at the ports. This is what
01:30:12.860we need. In order to get results, you need to focus where at both ends of the chains.
01:30:18.000Thank you very much. I want to talk about one of the issues that has come up is the idea of
01:30:22.720The public safety concerns around the overdose crisis and how this is devastating our communities.
01:30:29.000We're seeing so many lives being lost.
01:30:31.980In that, we know that one of the ways to address that is by investing in some of the solutions like mental health services and rehabilitation services.
01:30:39.660Services keep our communities safe, having access to those good services.
01:30:43.940Both Mr. Carney and Mr. Polyev are proposing cutting government spending and cutting those services.
01:30:49.060That's not going to make our communities safer.
01:30:50.760We need to see better investments in rehabilitation services, more investments in mental health.
01:30:55.720We need to respond to this serious crisis in our country with care and compassion.
01:31:00.760I've met with Moms Stop the Harm, an organization of moms that have lost their children to this opioid overdose crisis.
01:31:08.140They've literally had their children have died because of this.
01:31:11.180And they say they're saying we need to do everything possible to save lives, to stop this death from happening.
01:31:17.300And I think we need to listen to those moms.1.00
01:45:29.660But so do you. You want to apply a massive industrial carbon tax on Canadian mines, Canadian steel mills, Canadian aluminum plants, Canadian oil and gas plants.
01:45:41.820And your idea is to double the tax that Trump is applying by hitting them a second time.
01:45:47.420This will do nothing for the environment. It will actually ship our jobs south of the border just like President Trump wants.
01:45:55.500my plan is to bring that production home here to Canada. For example, I will give a tax credit
01:46:01.480to low-emitting Canadian industry, like Quebec's aluminum, for example, or British Columbia's
01:46:08.980natural gas, so that we not only bring home the production, but we do it below global average
01:46:14.880levels of emissions, so that we actually help the environment while bringing home the jobs for our
01:46:20.420people at the same time that is that is a sensible pragmatic approach that puts us in charge of our
01:46:27.540economic destiny so we can stand up to the americans from a position of strength for a change
01:46:32.500i want to get i want to give you a chance to speak to mr singh's criticism about oil and gas
01:46:39.540subsidies and mr polyev's criticism about the industrial carbon tax okay i'm going to make
01:46:44.420i'm going to make three points i'll make four if you want me to respond to that but i want to make
01:46:47.940three um the first is that um we answered i answered this question last night but i think
01:46:53.620the puck had already dropped in the canadians game so not everyone heard it yes and oil and
01:46:57.460gas subsidies that's why you need you secondly secondly secondly i would have done it independently
01:47:02.100secondly recognizing that the biggest component of that was the cost of building keystone keystone
01:47:08.500which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil and gas export oil exports rather by 50
01:47:13.860in this country um that is an asset of the people of canada we own it uh and the question what to do
01:47:20.500it so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared it's actually an asset of canada the third point
01:47:24.500though in terms of where the oil and gas industry particularly the oil industry needs wants to and
01:47:28.900needs to go which is to become low carbon low carbon in production and transportation of oil
01:47:34.340one of the big projects we need to move forward with is carbon capture and storage the pathways
01:47:39.220project so that we have oil and gas that is competitive not just today 10 years from now
01:47:45.220and 20 years from now as the world uses less we want to have more market share we need to do
01:47:50.340my government my government will move that but by definition a subsidy isn't when we buy a pipeline
01:47:56.740i'm talking about subsidies that go to oil and gas companies well dependent separate from the
01:48:01.140country oil and gas companies that's what the figure you quoted last night uh included the
01:48:05.060cost of the pipeline do you want to address millions of dollars we're spending we got to
01:48:07.460to stop spending. Sorry, can we can we get you to address his point? How much will the industrial
01:48:11.660carbon tax add to the price of a car? So the first thing I want to say is we have I'm going to address
01:48:17.180the broader point. Well, broader point is the entire absence of a climate plan from Mr. Poglia,
01:48:23.020which, by the way, is going to put our industry and our country at a disadvantage as we're looking
01:48:30.060for new trading partners. Guess what? Most people want to deepen our partnership in Europe, in Asia.
01:48:36.140those countries care about whether or not you've made progress second thing is we're designing a
01:48:41.640program so that the big polluters pay canadians at home for making responsible climate choices for
01:48:49.260retrofitting their home getting their emissions down or improving otherwise and that is smart
01:48:55.000climate policy it's better for the big polluters and it's better for canadians
01:48:58.780mr carney didn't answer my question i asked how much would the industrial carbon tax
01:49:05.860on canadian steel add to the price of a car he won't answer because he knows that it will be
01:49:11.160very expensive because there's lots of steel in cars now well mr carney has temporarily
01:49:16.520but you know the end in the car in the car thousands of dollars
01:49:21.840when you add taxes to steel you raise the price of everything that uses steel when you add
01:49:33.040When you add the carbon tax onto the price of, for example, fertilizer, you increase the price of food.
01:49:43.820So while Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the liberal carbon tax at the pumps while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election,
01:49:52.640he's also going after a tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on to you.
01:49:57.860After a lost Liberal decade of rising costs, we cannot afford a fourth Liberal term.
01:50:03.780We need a new government that will fully axe the carbon tax, increase the jobs that we have here in Canada, and bring down your cost of living.
01:50:12.400We've got just a little over three minutes left in this segment.
01:50:14.520So, Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, do you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians?
01:50:18.420You're out there. What are you hearing?
01:50:20.360Absolutely. You speak to any young person and they think, you know, we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now.
01:50:27.660speak to seniors who say you know we used to be able to live in our homes without air conditioning
01:50:31.900and now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never had worries about extreme weather
01:50:37.340we're seeing flooding we're seeing forest fires like never before we're living in a climate crisis
01:50:42.300so Canadians are absolutely worried about it as soon as we come into a summer we start seeing
01:50:46.680those forest fires again it's top of mind for Canadians because they're living it they're
01:50:50.220seeing it I want those Canadians to know Mr Carney is not going to end those fossil fuel
01:50:54.480subsidies unless I'm there to fight back. Mr. Polyev wants to let big polluters pollute as much
01:50:59.580as they want, poison our beautiful land, our water, the air. He wants to let them dump into
01:51:05.100our oceans. I'm going to fight back and defend our environment. Mr. Blanchet, on the issue of
01:51:09.080whether or not people still care about climate change. I think people should be kept very
01:51:15.140informed about climate change because we are in a very strange denial situation about climate
01:51:21.400change which still exists and is very expensive and i'm sorry to crash your party guys but
01:51:28.040you are telling fairy tales clean oil and gas is a fairy tale large scales carbon sequestration
01:51:37.880sorry i'm french is a fairy tale it does not exist if alberta wanted to exploit oil and gas and it
01:51:47.240were not a matter of pollution i wouldn't mind at all that's their business our own power house
01:51:54.840in terms of energy in quebec is clean energy we are the best place in the world to achieve that
01:52:01.160our market is the northeastern part democrat part of united states we want to keep our money to
01:52:09.400create wealth in Quebec for Quebecers. Let us be different because we can afford to be different.0.98
01:52:16.680I will get to you because I said I would, but you've taken a couple of hits here,
01:52:21.960and I want to give you a chance to respond to some of the things the people on this side of
01:52:24.920the stage have said. Thank you. Well, first of all, we do support protecting the environment,
01:52:29.800banning. We want to ban the dumping of raw sewage into our waters. We want to hold large corporations
01:52:36.360to high environmental standards to protect our water and air. But we cannot do that by raising
01:52:42.740taxes and sending jobs overseas, as Mr. Carney is proposing to do. That has been the approach
01:52:48.480of the last 10 years of the Liberal government. What the biggest companies that develop our
01:52:54.560resources say is that we need to repeal the Liberal Anti-Development Law, C-69, a law Mr.
01:53:01.060Carney wants to keep in place. They say we need to repeal the industrial carbon tax and get rid
01:53:05.360of the liberal energy cap we need six months approvals in order to get our to take back energy
01:53:12.340security and energy sovereignty thank you very much you know i i was born in foursmith in the
01:53:22.300northwest territories just north of what the oil sands became when i was born and when i was growing
01:53:27.920up in edmonton early days it was a fairy tale quote unquote but you know what happened canadian
01:53:33.600ingenuity, Canadian engineers, Canadian governments, both the federal government and the Alberta
01:53:37.940government got together and created, converted the worst pollution. If I may, if I may, the worst
01:53:42.20010 more seconds to finish, please. Let him finish his point. That's the opportunity we have. That's
01:53:49.060the opportunity we have in carbon capture. That's the opportunity we have in small modular reactors.
01:53:52.660That's the opportunity we have in hundreds and beyond. This country could be a clean energy
01:53:57.060superpower. My government will help deliver. And that is time for this segment. Gentlemen,
01:54:01.020Let us go to our final theme, which is called Leading in a Crisis.
01:54:08.380Canadians know how to weather a storm.
01:54:10.340Canadians know how to get through a difficult time.
01:54:12.260If, at the end of the day, we end up with the balance of power,
01:54:16.460Quebec is safer than it could be in any other scenario.
02:00:15.600Right now, Vladimir Putin has a monopoly on the European energy market because, frankly, the Liberals blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the Atlantic coast.
02:00:29.060I would rapidly approve those projects on national security grounds so that we can actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European dependence on Putin, defund the war, and turn dollars for dictators back into paychecks for our people.
02:00:49.800Well, I want to go to the situation in Ukraine because it's very important.
02:00:53.360And we've been a steadfast, Canada has been a steadfast ally, and Canadians have stepped up welcoming Ukrainians into their homes and supporting them in other ways.
02:01:02.740You know, in my first month as Prime Minister, we joined the Coalition of the Willing to support Ukraine as the U.S. Step Back.0.73
02:01:09.940So led by France, the United Kingdom, with Ukraine number, European nations, Australia, ourselves, New Zealand.
02:01:16.500So that's an example of how the new world is going to be.
02:01:20.880Canada participating in these areas and helping.
02:01:41.940New Democrats absolutely support standing with Ukraine, and we'll continue to do that.
02:01:45.720But I appreciate the opportunity in talking about leadership in crisis, talk about many of the crises we're up against.
02:01:52.300And one of the crises we're up against in our country with the threat of Donald Trump, with the threat of the trade war and with the privatization and Americanization of our health care system is the health care system.
02:02:03.520And what we have learned today, you know, Mr. Carney mentioned slowing operation spending.
02:05:01.180wherever this is what people expect from mr is that something you could get behind i i look forward
02:05:07.180to uh meeting with uh everyone uh you're welcome to come steve if you'd like um uh a week after
02:05:13.020christ but also but i'll say that's not very respectful but i'm but that's not very respectful
02:05:17.500i'm coming okay i will i come to the yeah okay i'll come to the court but uh in a crisis yes
02:05:28.140you need a team uh and you need to bring uh the country along with you so what i did in the first
02:05:36.220week was to bring the premiers together meet with all the indigenous leaders uh and move forward in
02:05:44.460that context now the question is who's going to lead out of this whoever leads out of this if i
02:05:50.940may mr blanche whoever whoever yes thank you whoever's going to lead out of this is going to
02:05:57.660need to work with all the provinces work with labor work with indigenous leaders work with
02:06:03.500all canadians to bring them forward in a united front and one of and make this last point one of
02:06:09.260the things that has happened which is a credit to those people at home is that canadians are
02:06:15.180coming together and it's our responsibility to meet the strength of canadian unity i have one
02:06:22.300small point to make you will be elected if you are elected in the parliament where there are other
02:06:28.460leaders i don't know if he called you or mr whatever i don't know if he called you but
02:06:32.780before yesterday you have not spoken to me once even if i proposed it so many times but you say
02:06:39.980i speak to provinces leaders you're not elected in provinces you are in the parliament where
02:06:45.500people are to make decisions which might not always suit you but this is democracy too much
02:06:52.940about i'm going to jump in here because i'm noticing what the clock is saying and you
02:06:57.020You brought up Gaza earlier, and I think our audience would be interested in hearing your views on the other major international crisis facing the world right now.
02:07:05.200Before we get that, just to finish up on the health care, I just want to speak to health care workers right now who are deeply worried about the status of our health care system,
02:07:13.000to Canadians who believe and love our universal public health care system, to patients who are stressed out.
02:07:18.580If you're worried about which Mr. Carney to believe, the one today or the one who spoke on three B's shows and said he would cut,
02:07:25.160Go for New Democrats, and we will fight to defend our health care.
02:07:28.560I think your supporters would really like to hear what you have to say about this question,
02:07:32.040and we have less than five minutes for it here.
02:07:34.440What role should Canada play in the other major international crisis in this world,
02:07:38.840in the Middle East and the war in Gaza?
02:07:41.620Pierre Polyev, would you start us off on that?
02:09:39.380My government put in place $100 million of humanitarian aid, which is ready to go.
02:09:46.080With respect to where this ultimately goes, yes, two-state solution, but it has to be a viable and free Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the state of Israel.
02:10:05.940We have to be clear-eyed about the fundamental risks of Iran and do everything with our international partners to check it and turn it.1.00
02:10:34.640The law in Canada says that somebody may invite people to be violent, to propose genocide against another people, if they can be hidden behind a religious motivation.
02:10:55.460and we say it is a crime to invite people to violence and killing other people and this is
02:11:02.660what is being done very often in canada and quebec with the approval of the criminal code of canada
02:11:09.940and we are saying this has to be changed we have to change what we do before we want people elsewhere
02:11:16.820to change what they do last minute in the segment this is about crises and leadership
02:11:23.460And one crisis we have is in immigration. Because of this liberal government's commitment to a radical policy called the Century Initiative, which seeks to bring our population up to 100 million people, they have allowed massive overcrowding in our communities that has caused housing shortages, job shortages, and health care shortages.
02:11:43.760Don't blame immigration for the fault of your government.
02:11:52.380I do not blame immigrants. I blame the liberal government, which brought this policy on.
02:11:58.180And Mr. Carney wants to continue with the Century Initiative. This is crazy. We have to get back to
02:12:03.180normal levels of immigration, get rid of the fraud in the temporary immigration system,
02:12:09.060and ensure that the people who come here can arrive in numbers that we can house,
02:12:15.140employ, and care for. That's how it always was, and that's how we're going to restore it.
02:12:20.000Thank you, Mr. Polly. That is our time for this segment. Those are our five themes, but we are not done yet. We are entering the next section of our debate tonight, what we're calling the leader's choice, something a little bit different. Each of you will get the chance to ask a question, any question of any other leader. You can then debate the answer, and each one on one will last for three minutes. So, Mr. Singh, you have the first option here. Who do you want to ask your question of?
02:12:50.000Mr. Carney, as chair of Brookfield Investments, your company is one of the biggest tax dodgers
02:12:54.640in Canada. As chair, you approved decisions where Brookfield Investments bought up
02:12:59.280affordable homes, kicked out the tenants, and jacked up the rates. As prime minister,
02:13:03.840one of the first things you did was a tax cut that helped out mostly millionaires.
02:13:08.480And you have a plan to cut services for people. I expect that of Mr. Pierre Polyev
02:13:14.400and the Conservatives. That's very much a conservative plan. But my concern is that
02:13:18.240doesn't sound like what people want for a liberal leader so my question to you is mr carney whose
02:13:23.760side are you really on uh thank you uh thank you very much for that question mr singh uh
02:13:30.800uh i'm in the side of canadians i'm in this for canadians i work for canadians
02:13:35.920um but you know i had to show that though no i look well i'm track record of public service
02:13:40.960uh for this country uh go back to uh something uh mr mr blanchet uh referenced earlier
02:13:48.240which is have I resolved any crisis we're in Quebec if you ask anyone in the
02:13:53.620finance industry if ask anyone in government in Quebec in 2008 they'll
02:13:57.840know that I resolved the biggest crisis in Quebec yeah you won't have fun
02:14:02.520but this is for these two yes I I have had a long career in the private sector
02:14:13.500I'm proud of that career. I've always acted with integrity. And it brings me with experience that
02:14:20.640I can apply in this moment of crisis. And you certainly have served the country.
02:14:25.540But the problem is, who have you served? You've served to benefit those at the very top.
02:14:30.020You jacked up the price of homes for people living in affordable homes as a strategic decision. You
02:14:34.960dodged taxes. And then your decisions as prime ministers show you're not prioritizing people,
02:14:40.260or you're pricing big business to billionaires so the uh what what have we done uh as a government
02:14:46.080directly so we've gone directly to workers using all of our proceeds from uh the tariffs committing
02:14:51.840all of them for workers the workers most affected unlike others unlike others who
02:14:57.760plan to use them amount uh use them to uh to cut taxes um we uh are focused on is not high enough
02:15:05.380vote you have to accept that right now there will be additional programs i i am fully confident that
02:15:10.920the next government whatever government is formed certainly if i'm in the next government we will
02:15:15.140make additional programs but you didn't do that well i can't i you couldn't or you couldn't uh
02:15:20.640given that we're an election could have increased may i may i make a core point here if i may which
02:15:26.080is that when you think about workers here today and people watching at home particularly younger
02:15:30.640people. There is an enormous opportunity in the trades, in the skilled trades. We are going to
02:15:36.100build this country in a way that has not been seen before. We are literally talking about hundreds
02:15:40.460of thousands, not jobs, but careers in the trade. And that's why we're investing in apprenticeships
02:15:45.660and mid-careers. But I think people are worried, Mr. Carney, if New Democrats aren't there to
02:15:48.600force liberals to make sure they remember about people, they will forget. Gentlemen, that is time.
02:15:52.320Thank you for that. Mr. Blanchet, you have the next question. To whom would you like to put it?
02:15:55.800mr carney you avoided quite quite i would say skillfully the questions of mr mr singh
02:16:06.200but first let me correct something in 2008 not so much by your decision
02:16:15.48010 billions of dollars were given to car industry in ontario while 60 millions not billions of
02:16:24.040dollars were lent to lumberwood throughout the whole of canada i don't believe that's the right
02:16:33.480way to manage a crisis since you did not recoup the money from the car industry then you have
02:16:39.560been the manager of brookfield it's supposed to be a green investment fund but we now know that
02:16:47.96050 of the investments of brookfield is in fossil fuel it's not so green you seem to want to support
02:17:00.760oil and gas industry that's interesting you want to support prefab housing and
02:17:07.560it's also in the investments of brookfield but not in canada you want to support nuclear power
02:17:16.920smaller uh reactors which are more dangerous by the way and brookfield has investments in westing
02:17:25.320house you have it in the money of brookfield in bermuda and cayman allen 30 billions of dollars
02:17:34.200billions of dollars lost for canada you are having your taxes being paid by families workers
02:17:42.200elders in canada and quebec instead of paying your own taxes so i want to know will you before
02:17:48.280the election reveal all the details of your assets as mr uh mr singh has done as mr poiliev has done
02:17:57.080and as i have done we have a right under those circumstances let's let him answer uh well the
02:18:03.160first thing is um i want to say a word about uh i'll say a word about broken um you know this
02:18:10.760is a Canadian success story. It is the largest infrastructure investor and developer in the world.
02:18:16.360It is one of the largest, if not the largest, developer of renewable power in the world. And
02:18:22.280who benefits from that? That's Canadian pensioners, that's Quebec pensioners, that is teachers,
02:18:27.880that are firefighters. It is a series of people, including individuals, including individuals on
02:18:35.000this stage benefit from that now always acted with integrity serve the shareholders of brookfield
02:18:43.560when i was there i have left that i have followed all the rules well in advance
02:18:53.320and we all did and working for the people of canada what do you own
02:18:59.480that is time what you own we're moving on to mr poliev now who has his opportunity to ask the
02:19:04.280the question of whomever he'd like here and that will be mr carney but if i could look him in by
02:19:10.520starting by setting the stage the choice in this election is after a lost liberal decade of rising
02:19:17.880cost and crime and a falling economy under america's thumb do we want to elect them to a
02:19:24.560fourth term or do we want to change change that you can afford food and homes change that you can
02:19:31.900be safe on your street and your change so that your paycheck grows faster than your cost of living
02:19:37.900change with a new conservative government because mr carney is not change mr carney in 2020 it was
02:19:44.300recorded you began advising justin trudeau it's still on the liberal party website today that you
02:19:49.660are justin trudeau's economic advisor they might want to update your website on that
02:19:53.500On June 3rd of 2021, you said that inflation would be a sign of economic progress.
02:20:04.980And you advised governments, including Justin Trudeau's, your liberal government, to print money, which led to the worst inflation crisis in a generation.
02:20:17.500Now, that means that mothers went to bed with empty fridges and empty bank accounts, worried how they'd feed their kids, that seniors worried they'd be evicted from their homes, that young people believed they'd never be able to own a home in the first place.
02:20:33.440Now, in retrospect, you look back on the liberal decisions that you advised Justin Trudeau to take.
02:20:39.680Will you look the camera in the eye and apologize to the many people who suffered as a result of the inflationary policies that you advised Justin Trudeau to implement?
02:23:15.660It wasn't hard, but I felt it was important that I had it so I could be in a position to be informed about that dangerous world and take decisions out.
02:23:23.580And Mr. Polyev, it is now 950 days, if my numbers are right, since you've had the opportunity to get your top secret security clearance and you've refused.
02:23:37.940Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister.
02:23:42.480I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that.
02:23:45.660But when the government made this recent offer, they said that if I got the secret security clearance briefings, that I would be gay under the security law, and I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference.
02:24:01.740Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution.
02:24:16.540And that was not something I would be allowed to do.
02:24:18.520Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition, he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me.
02:24:31.880And it's good that I made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely about things like the case where one of your candidates, sir, actually said that he wanted to send a political opponent to China under a bounty threatening his life or imprisonment, and you refused to get rid of him.
02:24:51.260Now, it might have something to do with the fact that you went to China not long ago to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company.
02:24:57.360But the reality is you refused to stand up for a Canadian who was being threatened by a foreign government.
02:25:03.580And I was able to speak freely on that matter because I refused the gag order that the Liberal government attempted to impose on me.
02:25:10.940Well, you know, there's a couple of interesting things.
02:25:13.000I think people at home have seen a robust debate here and it's been a robust campaign.
02:25:18.400And it has not stopped Mr. Blashek or Mr. Singh at times during his campaign by making challenges with respect to these issues.
02:25:27.760I will observe, as someone with a top-secret security clearance, that China is not the only country that is accused of foreign interference.
02:25:35.780And gentlemen, that is time for the segment.
02:25:38.920Now, closing statements are still a few minutes down the road.
02:25:41.760So we have a little bit of time for some quick hit Q&As for each of you right now.
02:25:46.120short questions 45 seconds please on the answers and we're going to go left to right as i look at
02:25:51.720you right now mr poliev you get the first question to the best of my knowledge you have not offered
02:25:56.140a hard timeline as the other parties have to meet canada's nato commitment of two percent
02:26:01.540spending on defense when would you hit that target my aim will be to 2030 that said when we renegotiate
02:26:10.360our trade deal with the u.s i know it's their priority to see us increase our military budget
02:26:15.760One of the things I will say to the Americans is the more free trade, tariff free free trade we have, the faster we can rebuild our military in Canada and reassert our sovereignty.
02:26:27.960And we will use that money to have heavy icebreakers in the north, beside an aircraft, fighter jets, a new base in the north, double the Arctic Rangers, fill the vacancies in the armed forces and rebuild the warrior spirit that characterized our military since the birth of our country.
02:26:45.760we will rebuild our forces, and we will stand behind our veterans.
02:32:31.180I'm not very fond of regrets, I would say.
02:32:33.760But we should have started sooner to see that we had to create the environment for a deal in which Quebec and Canada would be, one bigger than the other, but partners to be stronger in front of Mr. Trump and showing that maybe nobody here is the partner to let go alone without being surveyed or controlled or supervised by a Quebec voice.
02:40:25.600But they they're the Quebec debate. Quebec gets its own debate. I like Alberta and Saskatchewan had our own debates, B.C., Manitoba, etc. Prince Albert Island can screw off. But yeah, I'd love to have one too, actually.
02:40:41.660Anyway, the, it was, I mean, the bloc leader played, I think, actually an outsized role for an English language debaker.
02:40:54.800I mean, he opened up saying, I don't like to speak English when I'm in Montreal.
02:40:58.260That's a reference to the Quebec government's efforts to stamp out the English of, was it, hello, bonjour?0.99
02:41:05.540You're not supposed to say both, just bonjour.
02:45:57.120Well, some of the comments from your listeners are saying,
02:46:00.180like, Vashy said she doesn't even know why it happened.
02:46:02.280But the fact that they're saying it's a security concern,
02:46:07.200almost just seems like a farce on its own yeah so uh so they are taking the stage
02:46:14.320it broke no no don't worry about i was just no scrum no scrum okay so anyway whatever like
02:46:22.240i want to talk about the actual debate not just this insider baseball stuff too much but um long
02:46:30.140story short uh there was such a meltdown from the legacy media and also like some of the criticism
02:46:37.020was that they were asking um making kind of very long preambles in their questions uh
02:46:44.140i think that is actually fair criticism of some of the questioners uh from the independent
02:46:48.940conservatives not all of them some of them actually asked just very good very pointed
02:46:53.340short questions uh so other criticisms criticisms were that the questions weren't related to the
02:47:00.060debate sometimes true sometimes not but also i mean these debates ignore some pretty big issues
02:47:07.260guess what we didn't get to talk about immigration tonight maybe there's a little bit can i just
02:47:10.860point out that i think the point of freedom of the press is they can ask whatever damn question
02:47:15.020they want like isn't that the point exactly i mean on debate night it's i mean there's a lot to take
02:47:23.020in probably should be related to debate but you have the right to ask what you want i think i
02:47:26.620I think when you're asking the potential prime ministers, like, isn't anything fair game and you can direct them because you're challenging their leadership.
02:47:34.440So, sure, let's keep it to debate. But wouldn't that be quite a big scope anyway?
02:47:39.860I think that criticism has less merit than, you know, the preamble kind of making a short monologue while you've got some national airtime.
02:58:08.160uh there's just no questions allowed entirely from the media right there's no questions allowed
02:58:16.220from the media now i don't believe that it has to do with me being here since 1 p.m uh there were
02:58:21.960other journalists just a few mind you here at that time but the media center has been open since
02:58:27.720noon so journalists are welcome to come in and set up however i will say that following the debate
02:58:35.020last night and i did tweet some of these out if some of our viewers want to go and check out some
02:58:40.700clips from the cbc last night commenting on the quote very right conservative websites okay so
02:58:49.420not even calling our conservative media media itself so that means rebel news true north
02:58:57.340juneau of course us here at western standard and all of the flack that we got on the cbc
02:59:03.580because of the kinds of questions that we ask so there were comments about how these kinds of
02:59:09.020questions are odd and aren't really what canadians want to hear which of course is contrary to what
02:59:16.140we hear from our viewers these are the kinds of important questions that canadians are interested
02:59:21.260in the kind of questions that the mainstream media is not asking but rosemary barton and friends on
02:59:28.140cbc after the debate last night in between the leaders coming out for their media availability
02:59:35.660it was all focused on conservative news outlets and how we frame questions and how we take so
02:59:43.580long to ask questions too in fact while some conservative reporters were asking questions
02:59:49.660of the federal leaders last night there was heckling in line from the back of the line
02:59:55.260saying get to the point and and asking why we were even here and you can really feel the tension in
03:00:02.460the room surrounding that also today the tension in the room was built around it seems to be around
03:00:10.380rebel news and rebel news commander Ezra Levant he was un unprovoked unprovoked he was accosted
03:00:17.500like that and the hills times journalist is just sitting across the aisle to my right here there
03:00:23.740were no consequences for that journalist he stayed for the debate and he's still here and i i'll we
03:00:31.180can show the video i also recorded the video from when it came when it was announced that there will
03:00:36.860be no media availability post debate uh there was a lot of tension in the room and the the journal
03:00:45.100the other journalists in the room turned to blame ezra and rebel news uh one journalist
03:00:52.940he was sitting behind me he's gone now but he accused rebel of having 13 people here on his
03:01:00.220team which is categorically false and uh there's also the media funding so there's accusations of
03:01:07.900who funds conservative media yeah all right uh thank you jen all right we're gonna come back to
03:01:15.980this but we should probably talk about the debate like i i'd be a little remiss here if we didn't
03:01:25.100actually talk about why we actually all planned to be here we're going to come back to this because
03:01:28.860because this is a big issue and it is perhaps possible uh the three of us in the studio the
03:01:35.740two of you remotely uh in edmonton and montreal we care about this more because we're involved in
03:01:41.580media uh although judging by how many people are watching i you know they can go either way
03:01:47.900well let's talk about the debate we're going to come back to what happened with the cancellation
03:01:51.660of all uh post debate questions and the scrums after because it's really important but let's uh
03:01:59.340let's talk about the debate itself uh jen just while while we start off on this you can come
03:02:03.900back in when you're ready uh remember the special assignment i gave to you uh a little subterviews
03:02:10.700uh if you want to check in on that um and then we'll come back to you as soon as soon as you
03:02:15.260check in on that because if if that could pan out that would be quite something oh all right
03:02:23.660did you get that jen yep sounds good okay okay very good okay um corey you you've been very
03:02:32.300uh uncharacteristically patient uh in giving uh your your thoughts so far um is there any moment
03:02:41.260in that debate that stood out as uh particularly powerful i i think we're in agreement there's no
03:02:47.900there was no knockout blow i mean like every debate we're always looking for the knockout
03:02:52.380blow the media is always the same independent and legacy we're always looking for the knockout
03:02:56.460i don't think there was one but there were there were some uh some moments uh was there
03:03:01.180a particular moment that stood out and if not a moment uh was there a vibe from a candidate that
03:03:08.860was maybe better than others well you know the others didn't stand out one thing that stood out
03:03:13.580was jagmeet singh's full immolation as a serious candidate in this race a self-immolation like
03:03:20.780if there really was him trying to regain a little ground as the ndp are struggling he should have
03:03:25.740have been coming in strong and composed. And he was driving people bananas with his interjections
03:03:31.320and yelling from the background. And he's not new to this sort of thing. It really does feed
03:03:40.420some of the potential conspiracies that maybe his goal really is to sink the NDP or at least
03:03:45.500drive them to the liberals because his performance was exceptionally bad. The other fellows were
03:03:51.120solid. I didn't see a knockout blow or anything like that, but Singh just didn't seem to have
03:03:57.080personal control. Erica, contradict me. The common wisdom, at least in the room here,
03:04:06.720is not in keeping with your analysis. I don't think there was a knockout blow. I didn't see it.
03:04:12.060Everyone's always looking for it. I wanted one, didn't get one. The media always want one, even
03:04:16.380And even if you're, quick parenthesis for the moderator, the debate commission, terrible, but the moderator himself, Steve Pagan, I, like, that guy should be made governor debate moderator for life.
03:04:34.280I was going to say, I don't know how that guy's voting, and that's, like, a good thing to say for a moderator.
03:04:40.180Gentlemen, in the newsroom, you heard me say, I don't know if he's a communist, a fascist, a liberal, conservative, dipper, or bloc.
03:04:45.240I have I've been watching this guy's career for over 20 years I have no idea how this guy votes
03:04:52.160and that that is important in earning the trust and credibility of the audiences and the candidates
03:04:58.180who are in a debate just he was a fantastic moderator I I think the debate commission
03:05:05.020shit the bed but the the moderator himself who's not responsible for the the structure or anything0.89
03:05:12.220else any of the rules he uh steve pekin uh does he get the crown from you from youtube from tonight
03:05:20.460he won the debate steve pekin won the debate yeah well i mean we've seen a lot of bad moderation
03:05:27.580over the years or biased moderation even last night there was a little bit of bickering between
03:05:30.940the moderator and the candidates there was none of that tonight so that it was very good on that
03:05:35.340that regard yeah yeah i did think sorry i'm just gonna jump in is like i think the popcorn eating
03:05:42.980candidates like the one that was giving the most zingers of throwing any punches besides pierre's
03:05:48.740moment when somehow carny thought asking him about um some weird rogue security clearance stuff was
03:05:56.740gonna go his way um really backfired but otherwise like every time blanchette opened his mouth i
03:06:02.620left. I was like, man, this guy knows what his assignment is tonight. He knows that he needs to
03:06:07.740steal liberal votes and it needs to go to the block. And that man was relentlessly doing his
03:06:14.280job and in a comedic, witty, witty way. So Jagmeet Singh, I have no idea what his strategy was.
03:06:21.580I mean, we can, like, I don't think that we should expect from Paliyev or Carney to be
03:06:27.040taking those swings because their whole goal was look like the prime minister um I thought the
03:06:32.700the unsung hero of tonight was Blanchett and I actually think he is going to be the person that
03:06:38.960would move needles away from the liberals I think Singh went he almost was like this is my last
03:06:44.420rodeo and I'm gonna shoot at whatever comes in my way and you know if you listen to him you would
03:06:49.040have no idea who he thought it was his opponent was yeah god yeah I mean I I watch I watch this
03:44:28.380I got it. I said it. But, you know, you have to you have to elbow your way into a conversation from time to time.
03:44:35.140You have to be aggressive. But the guy, as you described, Corey, was just like a mosquito buzzing who never actually got the bite.
03:44:42.840And, you know, he is down so far in the polls.
03:44:47.940The NDP on seat projections right now is headed, potentially, if current trends hold, for the worst result in the history of the NDP in Canada.
03:44:59.560We would have to go back to possibly circa World War II for a time when the NDP's main predecessor party, the CCF, Canadian Commonwealth Federation, had less seats than it's on track to get.
03:45:14.820And not just seats, you have to take it after he has a proportion of Parliament.
03:45:18.340And Parliament is bigger today than it was in, obviously, the war era.
03:45:22.780He is headed to be the biggest failure of an NDP leader in the history of that party right now.
03:45:32.000Not coming in with a lot of confidence.
03:45:41.720Not talking points designed to appeal to me, granted.
03:45:43.760but uh just a buzzing mosquito and came in as as annoying uh cory i'll give you the first word on
03:45:52.380how jp'd say performed well it was inexplicable i mean it was terrible tactics as you as you laid
03:45:57.960out where he's sitting he's in a terrible position as far as a leader goes you'd think right now what
03:46:03.700he'd want to do is try to consolidate support and target it in some spots to salvage some seats
03:46:09.360after this election. Why didn't he say something, you know, you want to elbow your way in and make
03:46:15.000your points and reach your base because you've lost them. What about organized labor? Or what
03:46:19.300about, you know, somewhere he could have tried to reach out, but instead he just took on a
03:46:25.480pestering approach of trying to yell from the sidelines. It's like he didn't have a solid plan.
03:46:30.980It was his usual talking points. I was just surprised. I would have thought you would come
03:46:35.980in with a strategy to try and salvage what you can out of this. And if anything, as I said,
03:46:41.160if any leader actually slid backwards, I'm pretty sure it's Singh right now. If there was any soft
03:46:45.300NDP supporters who were kind of, they liked the NDP, but they were thinking strategically voting
03:46:49.120for the Liberals and they watched that performance out of Singh, they'd be like, okay, yeah, I'm not
03:46:53.460going to bother wasting a vote on Singh this time around. Maybe next election cycle, I'll go back
03:46:57.300to my NDP, but I'm going to throw it to the Liberals right now, which I almost, it starts
03:47:01.420to make one feel a little bit like it was tactical to support the liberals because
03:47:04.700that was the best gift to them tonight in a lot of ways yeah but you know that's not the
03:47:11.040that's a gift that really cost you to look like a clown well yeah i i mean i i you know and i
03:47:17.460maybe i'm just reading too much into you know uh there's not anything behind it aside from just him
03:47:22.360being uh not competent at this point because that really was an act of political incompetence up
03:47:28.200oh he's he's tired it's a tough campaign they don't have any money everybody hates them and
03:47:33.400they don't like each other so he's been on the bus a lot i mean it's this this is not a happy
03:47:39.160campaign so i i think he just lost it like you're we talked about him being a mosquito well okay um
03:47:47.400they fall back on the most ridiculous uh talking points we were talking earlier about the uh about
03:47:54.600the how the the conservatives want to throw away the key on multiple murderers
03:48:04.120and he was ended up talking about well how would you approach crime well we need more mental health
03:48:09.000programs no that's actually not a solution you know it may help some people some of the time
03:48:16.360it does not address a problem that has become of the scale that crime has become in toronto
03:48:22.760will say which he should be fairly familiar with but um you know he says ridiculous things
03:48:29.800yeah well and i mean again refusing to take a strong stance stance on crime then i mean
03:48:34.280you don't have to you know parrot paulia but read the room a little people living in east van who
03:48:39.000still vote pretty darned ndp but they're also getting mugged in the night having their cars
03:48:42.840broken into and looking at the disaster on the streets and these tastings i mean you've got to
03:48:48.680to do something to try and salvage some of that support and Sing just didn't seem to have a clue
03:48:52.860how to. Okay. That's both of you on Sing, I guess. Erica, did he sing a song for you?
03:49:05.980Well played. I also like that you looked around your glass. I'm a dad and I speak like a dad.
03:49:11.440you know what I think he actually performed the worst out of anyone and I I don't want to echo
03:49:19.000what the gentleman already said because I think they're all true it's unfortunate actually for
03:49:25.200the conservatives how crappy he performed because again there could be that strategic vote it was
03:49:31.760almost like he's like guys I got my pension don't really care I already crapped the bed by not
03:49:38.000calling an election in June. I'm already going down in history worse than maybe Trudeau is. So
03:49:43.720I'm out. Like that was the tone that came into tonight. I thought the interrupting was rude.
03:49:47.680I thought everyone else actually did a very good job. Carney and Pierre both like kind of signaled
03:49:52.860the moderator, jumped into the queue appropriately. It was almost just like I've seen things so much
03:49:58.980better. I think we can all agree last debate, he actually held his own quite a lot more. So I don't,
03:50:05.680know he's got those skills and he just poorly performed tonight it was like i would say an
03:50:10.720embarrassment i i don't think if you looked um not knowing what we know about where he needs to
03:50:17.040strategically steal votes from that it looked like he was just spray and preying on anyone to say
03:50:23.200anything and and i think what corey was saying about the lack of pivoting um i would say all of
03:50:29.360the other three pivoted well back to the narrative of what they wanted to cover and things got a very
03:50:34.160specific narrative like he's got four items that he was talking about with when he tried was like
03:50:41.200you still need an ndp to hold the government accountable and i think that resonates and i
03:50:46.160think that's true it's just he didn't pivot back to his message like man you could talk about um
03:50:52.240public safety and pivot back to what you want to talk about you can talk about energy and
03:50:56.060pivot back to the environment like you don't have to answer the question um in debates necessarily
03:51:01.400and yeah the moderator did call people out tonight for that but who cares from sing's perspective
03:51:07.240what does he have to lose besides get his message and his narrative across and even that i think
03:51:11.920he's all short of okay um and that then from the department head i i i think we all agreed sing
03:51:22.460was by far the worst tonight i can't really say based on the french one because it's dubbed i
03:51:28.340don't know how well they're actually speaking sounded bad too but i you know not i think he
03:51:34.740actually did a better job last night like singh did on talking about he didn't answer the immigration
03:51:39.720question though singh didn't frankly answer any questions that i saw him actually come out with
03:51:44.860like this is the ndp policy this is what we will do i mean the man should scream and shout about
03:51:50.280standing up for workers and hyper focus on the seats maybe not his own because that might already
03:51:55.220be gone but the seats of incumbents which i would assume is their strategy is not lose more than
03:52:00.980we're already losing than we already have and focus on those but it seemed like he again he
03:52:05.380was like a spray and pray candidate like this was his first debate and his first um national stage
03:52:12.040which isn't true so i think he regressed from where we saw him last election if he wants to
03:52:17.720take your course what would it cost him you know what i might give him a discount because man i
03:52:23.420know what that guy's gonna do after this but maybe not because he's gonna have a nice pension
03:52:28.460so we'll see i'll take it offline i'll dm him okay um
03:52:34.620i'm gonna take this down a unpredicted road none of you knew none of you knew i was gonna do this
03:52:40.780um so we were supposed to have the post debate press scrums today uh nigel i uh because dave0.84
03:52:50.140is on vacation dave would normally be in those conversations he's dealing with some uh very
03:52:55.100pleasant matters in uh his life and um oh i have an update from jen hodgson they're shutting down
03:53:02.940the press room we're just kicking everyone out democracy at its finest ladies and gentlemen
03:53:07.820amen um but uh yourself uh jen and i uh worked very deliberately on the questions we're gonna
03:53:18.860You don't necessarily know what leader you're going to get to ask questions from, but because of what happened yesterday, while I'm sympathetic to a lot of what Ezra said, I was a bit miffed we didn't get a question.
03:53:31.920So we, as I said earlier on the program, we put, we literally had Jen camp out at the front of the line as if she's trying to get concert tickets to ask the first question.
04:11:48.540But the provinces get, we can't do anything without the provinces, even though it's a federal pipeline, it's a federal jurisdiction, very clearly.
04:11:59.700So that's the context of the question we had planned for him.
04:12:02.800We said that last night he stated his support for continuing the Trudeau equalization program.
04:12:11.320This year, taxpayers in BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan are disproportionately paying to give Quebec nearly $14 billion.
04:12:16.960Your comments around building future pipelines and what you intend to replace the consumer carbon tax with have been ambiguous and unclear.
04:12:25.380How do you intend to continue to pay $14 billion to Quebec and for your other election promises if you're intent on continuing your predecessor's policies that are harmful to the ability of the West to fund federal programs?
04:12:43.760It's a nice little wedge there in Quebec.
04:12:48.080Yeah, and he has successfully been able to speak out of both sides of his mouth on this
04:21:28.580It kind of encapsulated things, I think.
04:21:30.500But Carney tried to position himself as the defender of Canadians' rights and freedoms.
04:21:37.140Yet it is his party leading the government and him explicitly speaking up at the time that strongly supported using the War Measures or Emergencies Act, which has been ruled clearly unconstitutional, the use of that act at that time for that purpose, for the Freedom Convoy.
04:21:59.300How do you, you know, maybe it'll play different out east,
04:22:03.180but how does he square positioning himself as the defender of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms
04:22:08.680when he supported its most gross abuse and end run around it in the history of the country,
04:23:47.020But the polling consensus is, yeah, no, the liberals are winning right now.
04:23:52.740How, I guess this is a good segue to where I want to go next, which is how, you know, Carney said at one point, to paraphrase, I know you say to Paulio, I know you wish you were running against Justin Trudeau, which I think is true.