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00:10:28.700 I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard.

00:10:55.840 You're with us on the evening of the English Federal Leader Party.

00:11:01.400 English, let me start over.

00:11:02.740 The English debate of the Federal Party leaders.

00:11:07.000 Pierre Polyev of the Conservatives, Mark Carney of the Liberals,

00:11:11.400 Jagmeet Singh of the NDP, and Francois Blanchet of the Bloc Québécois

00:11:16.220 will be facing off where we've got a great program planned here.

00:11:20.720 I've got my usual crew joining me here.

00:11:24.360 i've got nigel henneford opinion editor of the western standard and cory morgan senior alberta

00:11:30.920 columnist good evening and we're going to bring in uh we're going to go straight away uh because i

00:11:36.200 know she's got to run fast uh but we've got western standard reporter jen hodgson coming to us from 0.99

00:11:42.840 windy montreal uh hopefully she doesn't have wings on i think she oh now you're sideways jen 1.00

00:11:49.720 you're sideways there you go sorry guys just getting set up here with the live stream

00:11:54.360 yeah so that's the wind jen is on the ground in montreal for the western standard right now 1.00

00:12:00.920 she was at the french leaders debate last night um she'll be uh she'll be in there again covering

00:12:08.280 it asking questions of the party leaders so we are going to uh we're gonna we're just gonna talk

00:12:14.600 about what happened with the debate last night we're gonna talk about what we expect to happen

00:12:18.600 tonight and then we're just gonna let the leaders go um we'll have some post show uh post debate

00:12:25.560 commentary we'll also cover the press conferences uh immediately after the debate where jen is there 0.79

00:12:31.800 let's just start with you jen talking about last night uh jen has uh the dubious distinction of 1.00

00:12:38.440 being the only western standard uh employee who speaks french uh which made her the natural choice

00:12:48.280 to send to the debate especially for the french one in montreal uh jen uh i think a lot of people

00:12:55.160 have seen the clips of the debate last night uh but not everybody because it was french and dubbed

00:13:00.200 over for uh you know most albertans like me um what were the big highlights to you last night

00:13:08.200 and uh who do you think did anyone come up on top you know i never thought that i would say this

00:13:13.800 derek but i think that blanchette actually won the debate last night he was the most it was a french

00:13:20.440 debate yeah but just in terms of uh his pointedness you know he did make an interesting comment that

00:13:25.880 was quite funny about the strawberries because if you remember mark carney was stumped by a

00:13:31.640 journalist a couple of months ago uh admitting when he was asked if he bought american strawberries

00:13:37.000 he admitted that actually he doesn't even do his own shopping last night blanchette took a big jab

00:13:42.440 But that actually leads me to the point that the questions were quite softball.

00:13:47.440 So questions like what would you give up of American products in the midst of this trade war?

00:13:53.440 And so it really lacked that deep dive that we're looking for in a moderator that can ask those hard questions.

00:14:00.440 And the debate largely centered around President Donald Trump and the terror for even when the questions weren't about Trump,

00:14:07.440 around President Donald Trump and the terror for even when the questions weren't about Trump,

00:14:12.380 it always just continued to come back to that, just like we saw in the leaders' debates for

00:14:17.440 the Liberal Party back in March. Okay. Nigel, I have Cory running around the studio here off

00:14:28.400 camera. You know, this has been, this is not an original observation from me. It's been said

00:14:35.100 previously but i don't know if it's ever been worse uh as last night the french language debate

00:14:40.760 is not a french debate of the canadian federal election it is the quebec election and the bloc

00:14:48.500 leader almost gets to play host you know it's like he is he's not quite the moderator but he

00:14:56.140 gets he's almost uh it's you know he's the home team and you know it's technically an officially

00:15:02.000 bilingual country except in quebec where it's officially unilingual but um it it really was

00:15:09.600 about quebec issues and quebec pandering last night uh and all i think all the leaders including

00:15:16.480 peer polio were guilty on that front yes well they have to answer the questions of the panel

00:15:22.320 lobs up at them and the panel i think had swallowed the cool way before they got there

00:15:26.880 um you know it's interesting that we have a not even the same subjects on these debates

00:15:35.620 immigration for example immigration last night no immigration tonight so that's right there was

00:15:41.580 no immigration debated tonight and that was on the list topics for last night so for tonight

00:15:47.280 we're going to be looking at the cost of living energy and climate leave it leading in a crisis

00:15:53.080 public safety and security and then again similar to the third topic is tariffs and threats to

00:16:00.040 canada so we can probably expect more of the same as we did last night with much of the conversation

00:16:04.940 coming back to president donald trump but during the question period during the question period

00:16:10.480 we're going to try and make those uh those questions more close to home so i think jen

00:16:16.300 one of the interesting things about that is that whenever the conversation moves to donald trump

00:16:20.540 It tends to favor the Liberal Party.

00:16:24.800 That's been their campaign of fear.

00:16:28.060 And he has been endorsed by Trump.

00:16:32.380 Well, by the way, folks, I'm watching the comments right now.

00:16:36.460 I often I'm not watching the comments when I'm doing this.

00:16:38.540 I know Corey's better than I am.

00:16:40.260 But we are watching the comments right now.

00:16:42.600 And, you know, we're not going to reply to everybody as we go, but we're watching it.

00:16:46.760 It will inform things to some extent if you're not crazy.

00:16:50.540 But, you know, I want to bring up this one here. Someone's username is based Nat. Why aren't they talking about immigration? That's, you know, I was talking about this before the French language debate yesterday that, you know, why does Quebec or French Quebec get to have a debate about immigration?

00:17:16.180 we don't it's extremely important here and you know there were a lot of apologists

00:17:20.120 uh for the for that decision saying well it's a different thing in Quebec it's about protecting

00:17:24.700 their culture etc well you know with the immigration numbers we've had uh immigration

00:17:30.380 has become all of a sudden a very important issue in the mainstream not just kind of on the harder

00:17:34.420 right and defending our own culture it's not just economics it is also about the ability of a

00:17:39.600 culture to absorb and assimilate people in a digestible manner. And Corey, why do you think

00:17:46.480 it is that the Federal Debate Commission here has decided it's okay for Quebecers to talk about

00:17:51.160 immigration and not okay for the rest of Canada? And this is not actually me making a slag on

00:17:57.240 Quebec. I do that often enough. This is not a slag on Quebec, but this is a slag on the

00:18:02.260 Debate Commission for saying it's okay for Quebec to talk about it, but not okay for us. We should

00:18:06.540 both be talking about well yeah that's quebec's get out of jail free card when it comes to cultural

00:18:10.520 protection when it comes to them it's a right when it comes to them it's important when it

00:18:13.960 comes to quebec we must bend over to make sure they can keep themselves a pure french state

00:18:18.120 but if alberta says we want to maintain immigration and just keep it to a controllable level

00:18:23.720 we're bigots we're intolerant we're xenophobic i mean that's the the narrative and i think none

00:18:28.400 of the party leaders to be honest i don't think it's just the debate commission i think the other

00:18:31.880 party leaders are happy during the federal debate as well, like during the English debate,

00:18:38.700 because it's a sensitive one. They talk around it. I think most of them do understand they've

00:18:43.440 got to get it under control, but you know what the reaction is. As soon as you even talk about

00:18:47.120 cutting immigration, you're going to get called the B word. So I just want to, just a note to

00:18:52.200 studio here, unless we're talking to Jen, let's keep her volume off because she's in, 1.00

00:18:56.900 she appears to be in a wind tunnel so uh hey hey we finally managed to quiet jen 0.99

00:19:02.840 um okay speaking of let's let's bring jen back in uh jen you were in uh the lineup for questions 1.00

00:19:12.100 in the media scrum post debate yesterday uh you didn't get in uh in i guess in time because there

00:19:19.140 was quite a big lineup um but there there's quite a quite a to-do in the media today that it was

00:19:26.260 independent media outlets, Rebel, True North, Juno, The Hub. Let's just keep Jen muted until I'm 0.83

00:19:36.100 ready for her here. Just a lot of noise there. There was quite a to-do that they were outraged

00:19:42.640 that these other independent outlets asked the majority of the questions. Now, there's some

00:19:49.560 history in that. It's that the Trudeau government tried to ban, or the Trudeau Debate Commission

00:19:54.560 tried to ban independent, non-government-funded media outlets from previous debates, and there

00:20:00.920 were court injunctions about that. The Debates Commission this time said, ah, we don't want to

00:20:07.140 get sued last minute again. We know we're going to lose. You have to allow independent media,

00:20:11.900 and it can't be just the government media. So they let them in. And I guess they worked the

00:20:16.620 lineup system very well and managed to actually ask a majority of the questions. But you've been

00:20:21.980 hanging out with journalists uh for the last two days there uh in montreal um both the independents

00:20:29.720 and the legacy legacy guys what's the attitude coming from from both of them on on both sides

00:20:36.180 about how that post-debate uh press conference section uh went yesterday honestly the legacy

00:20:43.640 media journalists were quite upset with how that went um it's true everyone got in line up super

00:20:50.800 fast i was standing alongside actually another rebel and we were right coming up next to the mic

00:20:57.600 and uh we could hear from the back of the line some reporters that were uh heckling yelling out

00:21:04.720 that questions were too long and why would you ask that and so that was really honestly

00:21:09.360 disappointing to see that journalists were heckling other journalists and uh even i even saw

00:21:15.040 one come up and confront one of the conservative uh independent journalists so there is that

00:21:21.760 although you know people are still amicable in the media center it's still um professional

00:21:28.480 it's just when it comes right down to the questions uh tensions get high

00:21:33.520 uh you know nigel i did find i mean there were some not all but some of the questions from

00:21:41.280 independent more conservative leading journalists yesterday it did include a bit of a statement of

00:21:47.560 opinion in the preamble of it and to an extent i think that's fine yeah you know you're kind of

00:21:53.920 laying the context the context and the groundwork of the question but i thought some of them went a

00:21:59.260 little a little further and the question some of the questions weren't related to the debate and

00:22:04.360 then journalists can ask whatever they want but i mean it's a debate scrum should probably be

00:22:09.080 relevant to the debate itself um yeah but some of the questions from the independents i thought were

00:22:14.520 were actually were quite excellent but i i think it was a mixed bag and i don't mean to be overly

00:22:19.880 critical of our our friends and colleagues of the other independents uh some of them were good but 1.00

00:22:23.800 i thought i thought some of them were a bit when you'd make it more of a statement than a question

00:22:29.720 you make it maybe too much about yourself i don't know what was your thought yes i have to agree

00:22:37.640 and i'm not going to pick on or name any one of the other individuals i i like these people yeah

00:22:42.840 of course you do and you know i mean if some of them want to make their own trousers that's fine

00:22:46.760 too but uh it's the is it i think whatever the mainstream media think about this the tide is

00:22:55.720 turning and you know where it turned first in all places the white house it is the white house press

00:23:02.680 The press corps now includes specific placements for independent media, the American equivalents

00:23:11.920 of ourselves and some of them are considerably larger.

00:23:14.680 I've noticed this caused a great deal of resentment among what they would call the mainstream

00:23:19.300 media.

00:23:20.300 In fact, AP is even suing the White House to get its old spot back.

00:23:24.740 But they've now set out specific places in the presidential press briefings for the independent

00:23:30.800 media.

00:23:31.800 is started there it's going to spread as the independent media such as ourselves hang on and

00:23:39.400 as the as the mainstream media finds it harder and harder to keep people in these events it's

00:23:46.040 going to happen by default so yeah guys i guess our lead commenter tonight is this base nat uh he

00:23:53.640 says uh uh i'll show it here what is cory looking at i i don't know maybe my hand's a base i don't

00:24:01.080 i don't know um all right well uh jen uh just sent me a message she's had to run in the debate

00:24:07.480 is starting very soon uh yeah so uh the debate is starting in a few minutes but we're we're just

00:24:13.960 going to kind of break down last night's debate and talk about what we're expecting here until

00:24:17.720 that debate is ready to start but let's bring in uh erica barutz she is the uh head of the department 0.50

00:24:24.200 of say it again your title is oh my goodness well your title also includes senator elect

00:24:30.700 senator elect and uh her her they them majesty um but uh head of i've never had those pronouns

00:24:39.400 uh associated with myself but you're very much you're very much she i uh i am i take that back

00:24:44.740 um i'm the department head for the applied politics and public affairs diploma program

00:24:50.360 at mac me college i'm going to ask you that literally every time we have you on listen

00:24:55.560 nigel and corey have both figured it out but we will expect less from you derek i'm a little slower

00:25:01.560 so you know i don't know um so anyway erica bruce also senator-elect uh uh she's going to be getting 0.97

00:25:09.080 call any day now from mark carney if he wins i'm sure to appoint summon her to uh to the senate um 0.97

00:25:15.640 Um, I don't think, I suspect most Canadian voters outside of Quebec were not watching

00:25:22.860 last night's debates.

00:25:24.120 It's a bit laborious and boring to, you know, listen to it being just dubbed over.

00:25:30.640 Um, but it took me a very long time and I don't even remember how I found it, but an

00:25:35.080 actual French without the dubbed without, there were some subtitles, but it took me

00:25:41.340 a long time.

00:25:42.180 Yeah, I do.

00:25:42.620 guys we've had so you just missed we had jen hodgson on she works i saw i saw i was in the

00:25:48.840 in the back room watching so we found like the only two alberta women who speak french i don't 0.98

00:25:53.960 think that's the case and i did say like i said yesterday on the pipeline i might be women in 0.97

00:25:59.260 alberta who speak french have been on the program the last 10 minutes yeah so i will say i was

00:26:04.320 trying to listen because the one thing i was looking for is how does mark carney um respond

00:26:10.300 right? It's not natural. He's graded his own, uh, French six out of 10. Um, I think he was

00:26:17.460 trying to under sell himself, but, uh, what I noticed that was different than it being dubbed

00:26:23.100 over is that that gap in his pause and his responses and composing himself isn't captured

00:26:29.120 when they dubbed it over. And so I think that that was actually, and I know you guys were just

00:26:33.120 talking about mainstream versus maybe alt media. Um, the mainstream media trying to give him a

00:26:39.720 little bit of a leg up in not showcasing that he doesn't speak French. Now, listen, I will thank

00:26:45.000 the block for yesterday. I think that the goal out of that debate was, can the block steal some

00:26:51.760 of those liberal seats in Quebec that they are currently projecting to win? And let's let Pierre

00:26:58.300 use this as a test run of how Carney is going to dance on this stage so that he is prepared for

00:27:05.760 today. So I think it was a good dry run. Did a lot of people listen. I actually know a lot more

00:27:09.700 people, especially because it was aired before the hockey games, um, that listened to it. But

00:27:14.940 again, I think that the exposure, that the message that Carney's French is not as maybe

00:27:19.580 good as mine. Um, don't, don't, uh, force that on me, but you think you speak better French than

00:27:25.260 Carney? No, I don't. But I think that it's comical that, uh, uh, I would think that I'm

00:27:31.540 closer to his french than he is to being bilingual or fluent can you like quickly like say something

00:27:37.700 offensive to quebec and french oh my gosh no no yeah you want to be a senator that's not going

00:27:42.980 to happen i know see this is a beautiful thing i did speak i did some media in french when i

00:27:48.180 was running for the the senate still didn't get attention by trudeau a lot of french voters here

00:27:54.580 um there's a few come on we've got some yeah like that there's actually one of my good hunting

00:28:03.300 buddies is uh is french but he's from acadia so anyway um so last night uh i mean i i didn't

00:28:12.260 catch the whole thing i you know i was running around picking up kids and i was trying to listen

00:28:15.540 to at the same time it was very chaotic and it was hard because the voices that they picked

00:28:19.380 didn't match those characters like i actually can't even tell if it was a woman or a very 0.99

00:28:23.780 feminine man it was very unfair it goes to jake bd speaking and it's like

00:28:30.900 yeah it's like if i dumped it over five octaves higher they can't match and just say well we have

00:28:36.420 to match male voices with male people that that really is what's at the bottom of it because

00:28:40.020 it's ridiculous i don't know but it was a very if it was a castorado then if that was the case

00:28:46.500 i don't know what that means i'm assuming it will get us sued um i deny all knowledge legitimately

00:28:53.140 um okay so uh there was just but there was a few just maddening points and i expected it but you

00:29:01.540 know they were asked you know uh what's off the table and i was like oh here we go and all four

00:29:07.380 said the same thing culture and quebec's quebec's in canadian canada's culture and language that's

00:29:14.660 a reference to um one of the u.s trade irritants with canada uh real ones is labeling like it you

00:29:22.900 makes it more, you have to have

00:29:25.180 your bilingual cereal box and soup

00:29:27.160 can and stuff. That's an increased

00:29:29.020 cost for American companies that they don't

00:29:31.120 have when they're producing at home. They have to do something

00:29:32.980 double.

00:29:34.840 And they all said

00:29:36.360 supply management.

00:29:38.920 And I know they all have to say that.

00:29:41.100 And I've said before, I think Pierre's lying. He knows

00:29:43.160 it's a dumb system. I hope 0.99

00:29:44.820 to God he's lying. I believe he's lying.

00:29:47.440 I think they're all lying. They all know

00:29:49.080 that it's going to be up for discussion.

00:29:51.200 Actually, the only one who had

00:29:52.520 I think a good answer on that

00:29:54.860 when they all said we're not even going to talk about

00:29:56.720 supply management. Blanchette

00:29:58.360 the most credible defender of so-called

00:30:00.760 supply management said well actually

00:30:02.780 if Donald Trump wants to talk about it

00:30:04.400 you're going to talk about it. You just have to be

00:30:06.660 committed to not giving in on it.

00:30:08.680 That's actually I guess the most

00:30:10.560 honest answer of all of them.

00:30:12.600 If Trump puts it on the table it's on the table.

00:30:15.060 You might try to take it off but if he puts it on

00:30:16.820 it's on. Well, Paulyev was

00:30:18.740 on my show a couple of years ago and he did

00:30:20.700 concede because i hit him with that one they didn't want me to talk about that that's why i've been

00:30:24.860 back on he did concede because it could be well it's probably a few reasons i've given him since

00:30:28.380 but uh he conceded that it's not good but he basically said that he was honest enough in

00:30:33.020 saying that but we're not going to do anything about it he's what he said at that time was it

00:30:36.780 would cost more to get out of it than it'd be worth uh trying to go uh into that subject at all

00:30:41.580 but he is aware of how bad the system is he has kind of said as much he just won't attack it if

00:30:45.820 if he can avoid it.

00:30:47.220 I do remember moments after I was with Maxine Bernier as the results came in

00:30:53.300 when he did not win the conservative leadership circa 2016 or so.

00:30:59.500 And we went back into the headquarters of the campaign at the convention center

00:31:03.500 there. And he was giving, you know,

00:31:07.180 it's kind of a private concession speech to his supporters and campaign team.

00:31:11.720 And he says, I have only one regret.

00:31:14.040 next time when I campaign to get rid of

00:31:17.140 supply management, no compensation.

00:31:21.000 So, I don't know how much it would cost or not.

00:31:24.340 And then

00:31:25.020 Carney. I don't know how this

00:31:27.100 translates. Erica, you'd have to be my source

00:31:29.120 on this.

00:31:30.880 At one point I tweeted out,

00:31:33.040 if Carney says the word

00:31:34.880 catalyze one more time, I'm going to

00:31:37.080 throw my TV at the wall. My next

00:31:39.080 tweet was, you're dead, TV!

00:31:41.400 i i he uses this word all the time but last night again i was kind of in and out picking up kids

00:31:48.280 making dinner and stuff i was going on but i swear to god uh this this man cannot go three

00:31:56.520 sentences without saying the word catalyze does it mean the same thing in french by the chance

00:32:02.120 i might have to double check that one but he did use very simple language and maybe that's why like

00:32:07.720 Like he wasn't using synonyms in French because I just don't think it's that

00:32:10.740 expansive that what there was a lot of repetition.

00:32:13.600 I will say Pierre also did kind of repeat his,

00:32:17.320 his key points quite a bit.

00:32:19.620 Okay.

00:32:20.520 We are going to go in just a moment here.

00:32:24.400 Is that a note getting passed by you guys to say that the,

00:32:27.520 the lead,

00:32:28.040 the debate is starting.

00:32:30.600 I don't know why,

00:32:31.720 I don't know who based Nat is,

00:32:33.660 but he is just the commenter of the night.

00:32:36.760 I'm going to have to put them up again here.

00:32:38.600 Wants me to show everyone my part.

00:32:41.460 Oh.

00:32:42.320 I don't want to see that.

00:32:43.600 No, this is a family show.

00:32:47.560 This is a family show so the kids can watch the debate.

00:32:50.100 So anyway, we're now going to stop our talk,

00:32:53.220 and we'll be back when the leaders are done here

00:32:55.260 with some analysis from the debate.

00:32:58.380 We'll now flip it over to the leaders and join.

00:33:01.140 He's got to keep this kind of, he's a thing not like the others.

00:33:05.620 He's got to keep the focus on the economic uncertainty,

00:33:08.380 and he is the only one that's going to be able to deal with it.

00:33:11.300 Eric, what would you say?

00:33:12.600 Well, last night to me felt like a bit of a status quo debate.

00:33:15.000 Everybody was playing it pretty safe, trying to achieve their very modest goals.

00:33:19.280 Nobody really hit it out of the park there.

00:33:21.520 And that's not going to do it tonight.

00:33:23.380 It'll do it for Mark Carney because he's leading and he's the frontrunner.

00:33:26.060 But the other leaders do have to do something exceptional.

00:33:29.040 And for Pierre Polyer, when I think about the debate last night,

00:33:32.900 he kind of faded into the background a little bit.

00:33:34.740 he needs to have a he needs to be much more uh impose himself on the debate kind of set the tone

00:33:39.540 a little bit um he didn't do that last night he didn't need to do that last night but he needs to

00:33:43.860 do it tonight and it's just from our carney a draw is a win for him tonight and so he he can play it

00:33:50.660 safe yeah you know i i i want to dig a little bit into the the numbers and the calculation with you

00:33:55.540 eric though because you know again last night was a french language debate of course there are franco

00:34:00.980 uh canadians right across the country but of particular importance in quebec given the number

00:34:05.860 of seats in quebec and given the number of francophone voters in quebec and if pierre

00:34:11.060 polyev wants to form government arguably he needs to do better than the polls are predicting he's

00:34:16.980 going to do in quebec right now he's now facing the leaders once again in the english language debate

00:34:23.780 what's the potential to turn things around is government even a potential for the conservatives

00:34:30.660 at this point given as you said not a lot of impact or change that comes out the french

00:34:35.060 language debate last night it i mean the the odds are always potentially there we can't say that

00:34:39.860 something spectacular can't happen tonight and when it comes to the conservatives but

00:34:43.620 in quebec you could play it safe because their ceiling was maybe an extra two or three seats

00:34:47.860 in the english language debate it's everything for the conservatives they need to not only win

00:34:52.740 a handful of seats they need to swing 40 50 60 seats in ontario based on where the polls are

00:34:57.380 right now they need to swing a dozen seats in british colombia uh they need to do a lot and

00:35:02.500 for pure poliev the french language debate might have been a good opportunity to shore up the

00:35:07.400 support that he has in quebec it's one of the places where they have more support than they

00:35:10.120 did in the last election but tonight it really is that he winner he he he probably can't lose

00:35:16.180 the election tonight but he can win it tonight and but if he does it again it would be the kind

00:35:21.440 of thing that would we'll talk about in in decades to come so are we in for that kind of night or not

00:35:26.720 one of these historic evenings i guess we'll find out see none of you are going to leave now

00:35:34.160 that might be what we're watching out for here but you know let's break down that a little bit

00:35:38.720 more though eric because regionally from my understanding the liberals are clearly have

00:35:43.600 the lead in in atlantic canada right now clearly have the lead in quebec right now uh and even in

00:35:49.360 ontario so so can you talk to us a bit about the numbers that we're you're tracking there yeah well

00:35:53.520 in ontario the lead the liberals have is roughly about nine points and we've seen that hold pretty

00:35:57.680 firmly throughout this uh election and that is a bigger margin than trudeau won with in his

00:36:02.800 minority governments and you know it's similar to when he won uh majority government in 2015.

00:36:08.160 the conservatives need to be leading in ontario they need to see a huge swing in ontario so

00:36:13.440 if polio could choose one set of voters to talk to tonight it would be those ontario voters

00:36:17.680 primarily in the GTA, where his two predecessors were unable to break into. And if Pierre Poirier

00:36:24.400 fails to do that again, well, that's three for three when it comes to leaders in Stephen Harper.

00:36:28.960 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Laurie, what do you think of the challenge in terms of breaking

00:36:33.040 into Ontario for the Conservatives at this point in the campaign?

00:36:37.120 This is it. This is the key battleground. I mean, when you look across, I can, I mean,

00:36:42.320 in atlantic canada it looked like for a while uh the conservatives were really going to benefit

00:36:47.760 from the fact that atlantic canada was done with trudeau they were angry at the carbon tax they

00:36:52.640 want to change but and the conservatives put up some really strong candidates but we there's only

00:36:57.600 32 seats in atlantic canada combined ontario how in the world could the conservatives turn this

00:37:05.280 around without making a huge break in ontario and they've got more votes than they need in the west

00:37:10.640 Like, this is the key battleground for them.

00:37:13.420 British Columbia looked like it was going to go more their way,

00:37:15.600 and now it's back into a kind of a toss-up situation, I think.

00:37:19.700 With a more, and correct me if I'm wrong here, Eric,

00:37:21.860 with a more efficient vote for the Liberals, even in British Columbia.

00:37:24.720 Yeah, because in some ways, the interior is Alberta for the Conservatives.

00:37:29.380 Yeah, and so, I mean, it's hard to see how this would go any other way

00:37:33.760 than Liberal unless the Conservatives are really able to build something in Ontario.

00:37:39.260 And I have to think, Polyev's trouble in terms of trying to build support among women must be a significant drag in terms of him trying to bring his numbers up in Ontario.

00:37:51.360 What is the split with women when it comes to Polyev, Eric?

00:37:54.600 Usually the Conservatives are behind by 15 points or so among women, and it's more or less a toss-up among men.

00:38:01.720 When it's a toss-up among men for the Liberals, that's usually a very strong sign because they tend to do better among women.

00:38:06.300 But they have a huge margin to overcome the Conservatives and women voters. 0.81

00:38:10.800 And, you know, there's not a single woman on the stage tonight.

00:38:13.460 Yeah, yeah, which was noted last night as well.

00:38:15.300 Not a single woman on that stage.

00:38:17.160 Just, you know, we only have about a minute left before I have to throw.

00:38:20.140 Alex, Laura, any final words you want to share before we go into the debate?

00:38:23.900 I mean, just to note that, you know, the clash of the two parties ahead,

00:38:29.200 Polyev and Carney are right beside each other in the draw there on the podiums, which is...

00:38:33.480 Again, random.

00:38:34.080 randomly, but that, you know, is very interesting.

00:38:37.440 So being, you know, staring each other down at close quarters here tonight

00:38:41.380 as it's about to begin is going to be interesting.

00:38:43.980 Yeah. Laura?

00:38:45.140 Yeah, I mean, I think this moment's incredibly important for Canadians.

00:38:49.720 One of the most consequential elections of, you know, past several decades.

00:38:55.140 So hopefully they at least give us a bit of a good show, if anything.

00:38:58.940 Yeah, well, and the very fact that, you know, Yves-François Banchet is there,

00:39:02.960 Obviously not as consequential for him as the French language debate was last night.

00:39:06.600 Always interesting to see what they add to it.

00:39:09.180 And again, for me, I got to say the one thing that I really am going to keep an eye on

00:39:12.880 is that opportunity at the end of the night where each leader can choose a question

00:39:17.580 to whatever leader of the other party they want to.

00:39:20.220 So I think that will provide some interesting fireworks for people who are watching.

00:39:24.640 But listen, Eric Renier, Laura Pinnell, and Alex Bonacal, thank you to you.

00:39:28.100 I know we're done for this evening.

00:39:29.380 Laurie, you're still stuck with me.

00:39:30.520 You're going to stay as the strategist to join us later on.

00:39:35.480 But for people at home, thank you.

00:39:37.060 You're watching CPAC, the cable public affairs channel.

00:39:39.680 We're going to bring you now to the atrium of the Maison de Radio-Canada.

00:39:43.920 Again, this is in Montreal, where the English language leaders debate will be taking place.

00:39:49.460 The only English language debate of this 45th general election.

00:39:52.960 I'm Michael Serapio.

00:39:53.820 Here is now the debate.

00:39:54.980 We'll see you right after.

00:39:55.840 live from the atrium of maison radio canada in montreal four federal leaders will debate

00:40:04.020 for your vote the leaders are here and ready to go mark carney pierre polliev yves francois

00:40:10.060 blanchet and jagmeet singh they will debate the major challenges facing our country

00:40:14.600 from tariffs to the cost of living public safety energy and leading in a crisis

00:40:20.280 Good evening, everybody. I'm Steve Pakin, your moderator for tonight's debate.

00:40:25.340 Each leader has agreed to the following. No notes. Answer the questions. Stay on theme.

00:40:31.700 Stay on time. How much each leader speaks will be counted on these clocks,

00:40:36.960 visible to the leaders and to you at home. This is the 2025 Federal Leaders Debate.

00:40:43.360 well welcome leaders good to be with you here tonight in montreal for what i'm sure will be

00:40:52.660 a memorable evening our first theme is tariffs and threats to canada and we will begin with

00:40:58.160 a round of questions you will each have a minute to answer and then we'll go to open debate and

00:41:02.860 the first question goes to mr carney okay what is the starting point for negotiations mr carney

00:41:09.380 with the united states if as you have stated our relationship with the u.s is over as we know it

00:41:16.980 uh well first steve uh may i thank you and also thank uh fellow leaders for their service to

00:41:21.780 canada uh people at home for taking the time to watch um i just want to underscore the premise

00:41:27.300 to your question because i think the relationship that we've had with the united states relationship

00:41:31.780 over the course of almost the last four decades which has been one of steadying increasing

00:41:35.700 integration has fundamentally changed because the president is looking to fundamentally

00:41:39.940 restructure the trading system so the starting point has to be one of strength it has to show

00:41:47.620 that we have control of our own economic destiny has to have a clear plan here at home to build

00:41:55.620 this economy to diversify our trading partners with like-minded countries and also has to have

00:42:01.620 a position of strength in terms of our reaction to the u.s unjustified tariffs and that's why we

00:42:07.620 have put in place counter tariffs that have maximum impact in the united states and minimum

00:42:12.900 impact here at home mr polyev would you do anything differently well first of all thank

00:42:19.460 you steve and thank you to our fellow contestants here today it's an honor to be here what would i

00:42:26.020 do different well i'll start by what i would do the same i think we do need to counter the american

00:42:31.620 tariffs with our own to deter this economic aggression we must make clear that we will

00:42:36.340 always be sovereign and independent what would i be doing differently well we need to be in a

00:42:42.420 position of strength and the liberal government has weakened our economy with anti-energy laws

00:42:47.940 red tape and high taxes that have driven 500 billion dollars out of our country into the

00:42:52.900 united states and made us incapable of shipping our resources overseas that weakness threatens

00:43:00.740 our ability to stand up for ourselves. So what would I do? I would cut taxes, red tape, and

00:43:06.100 approve our resource projects so that we can get our goods to market and bring home the jobs so we

00:43:12.880 stand up to President Trump from a position of strength. Mr. Singh, you get the next question.

00:43:18.820 Can we trust the United States to work with us on matters such as Arctic sovereignty and defense

00:43:23.320 policy? I think we've seen, first of all, good evening everyone and thank you for tuning in and

00:43:28.740 Thanks for the question, Steve.

00:43:30.400 We've seen what, for a lot of people,

00:43:32.340 feels like a betrayal when we look at the United States.

00:43:34.820 I grew up in a border town, I grew up in Windsor,

00:43:37.080 and we saw how connected we were as a city

00:43:40.120 and as a community.

00:43:41.360 People lived on one side of the border,

00:43:42.880 worked on the other,

00:43:44.060 people traveled back and forth all the time.

00:43:46.520 We're in the automotive capital of Canada,

00:43:48.500 and we knew how important it was

00:43:50.220 to be able to build cars in Canada,

00:43:52.560 but we saw that those cars went back and forth

00:43:54.460 across the border.

00:43:55.700 Seeing what Donald Trump did to attack Canada

00:43:58.580 in this unprovoked way, without any justification, really felt like a betrayal.

00:44:03.160 And so Canadians now are right to say, well, we don't really trust Donald Trump at this point,

00:44:07.340 and we can't really have a lot of faith in him.

00:44:09.280 So when it comes to our Arctic sovereignty and our security,

00:44:12.020 we need to make decisions that are in our best interest

00:44:14.120 and no longer be so dependent and so reliant on the U.S.

00:44:18.080 And that's what I would advocate for, making sure we are resilient, independent,

00:44:22.460 and less dependent on the United States.

00:44:24.020 Mr. Blanchet, for you, what supports would you want to see for industries affected by tariffs, many, of course, of which are in Quebec?

00:44:31.900 Many of them. First, we all will come in Quebec and Montreal. You have me because I try not to speak English in Montreal.

00:44:39.620 However, I think we should never underestimate the threat that Mr. Trump poses on Quebec economy and Canada economy and Mexico economy.

00:44:48.940 but we must acknowledge the fact that the economy of quebec is built differently the challenges are

00:44:55.660 not the same the necessity for quebec to have at least partly its own voice in the negotiation

00:45:01.900 is important the difference between quebec and canada is very important in terms of economy but

00:45:07.500 also in terms of identity and language and values and who we are and the way we want to handle

00:45:12.300 immigration so we have the right to be different and if this difference is being respected by

00:45:19.540 whoever becomes prime minister of canada we will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best

00:45:25.420 possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners merci monsieur blanchet

00:45:31.620 okay we now move into open debate and i'll start it off mr carney with you and then we go from

00:45:36.640 there. Do you still support dollar for dollar tariffs, even if they ultimately threaten

00:45:42.300 Canadian jobs and businesses? No. And in fact, we've already moved off from dollar for dollar

00:45:48.480 tariffs. You know, we have to recognize, and I think we all do, the United States economy is

00:45:52.980 more than 10 times the size of the Canadian economy. And the principle in terms of our

00:45:57.760 counter tariffs is to have maximum impact in the United States, as I said a moment ago,

00:46:01.920 minimum impact here. So we have to think about the impact on Canadian businesses. I'll give you

00:46:07.160 one example, if I may. In the auto sector, the way we've designed those auto tariffs

00:46:11.240 is that Canadian automakers, if they maintain production here, if they maintain their investments

00:46:18.160 here, when I say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and plants and production

00:46:23.940 in Canada, then they can have lower tariffs on what they ship to the United States. We create

00:46:30.300 a huge incentive for them in order to do that we also have carved out the canadian auto parts sector

00:46:36.460 last point i know you're pressed for time uh the canadian auto parts sector so that it can

00:46:40.540 remain competitive uh with the united states we're focused on maximizing canadian jobs

00:46:45.260 maximizing the harm in the u.s um so that we get them where we need mr polly everyone in then mr

00:46:51.580 mr carney um you claim that you want our country to respond with strength but after the last decade

00:47:00.300 half of which time you've been justin trudeau's economic advisor our economy is weaker than ever

00:47:06.300 before it's been the worst growth in the g7 we've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south

00:47:11.260 of the border you supported blocking pipelines in canada that gave donald trump and the us a near

00:47:18.940 monopoly over our energy and now you want to keep in place bill c69 the liberal no new development

00:47:28.780 law that blocks us from shipping our resources overseas how could you possibly think it's a good

00:47:35.660 idea to give the americans a continued monopoly on our energy projects when you have seen how much

00:47:43.580 these liberal policies have weakened our country over the last decade let mr khani respond then

00:47:48.860 mr sir sure if i may yes um so let's go to my record my record is a month long as prime minister

00:47:55.820 and this goes to the heart of coming to the americans with strength but doing the right

00:47:59.580 thing for canada within the first week as prime minister i sat down with all the premiers of the

00:48:04.540 provinces and territories as well as the leaders of the indigenous peoples got an agreement with

00:48:10.780 all the provinces and territories doesn't happen very often got an agreement for them to have one

00:48:15.180 canadian economy instead of 13 first point secondly to commit the federal government to do its part

00:48:20.700 by canada day so free trade in canada by canada day thirdly the federal government to commit with

00:48:26.540 respect to project the question was about i'm getting to it the thirdly one project one review

00:48:32.620 and relying relying that's on provincial yes it is possible and it is possible on our system

00:48:38.780 it is uh the impact assessment it is it is agreed on under the impact assessment framework and we

00:48:44.780 have a cooperation agreement with british columbia already we're looking forward to them with the

00:48:49.020 other promises we will move forward of course we agree around having a strategic response

00:48:55.980 united states but what i'm concerned about is what we're doing here in canada we are already

00:49:00.780 seeing threats to our country and that just the threats alone of the tariffs have made canadians

00:49:05.740 have lost their jobs the threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now the threat the impact

00:49:10.300 of those tariffs is that we've lost jobs in steel aluminum in the auto sector people are already

00:49:15.740 losing their jobs. And while Mr. Carney, you had time, as you mentioned, not very long time,

00:49:20.580 but as prime minister, you showed us your priorities. The first thing you did is you

00:49:24.840 had traveled, you made a tax cut for billionaires, which was reversing on the capital gains. So you

00:49:29.860 gave a tax cut to millionaires, but you didn't have time to increase the amount that workers

00:49:34.680 get on EI. Right now, workers who are struggling and wondering, what am I going to do if I lose

00:49:40.980 my job workers who've lost their job are saying how do I pay my bills when EI only covers half

00:49:46.600 of a worker's salary maybe 40 years ago that would have worked but right now most workers

00:49:50.960 are spending their entire salary just to pay the bills to pay their mortgage and their rent

00:49:55.940 and to put food on the table so EI is not good enough and it shows Canadians that you didn't

00:50:00.520 make it a priority to protect those that are impacted by these tariffs that are a threat

00:50:05.180 because their jobs are lost we have not heard from Monsieur Blanchet yet in this segment so

00:50:09.000 please. Yeah, Mr. Carney, you are becoming a real Canadian leader saying one thing in French and

00:50:13.980 another one in English. You said in British Columbia in February that you would force oil

00:50:20.300 and gas through pipelines through Quebec, either we wanted it or not. You would use emergency

00:50:26.740 powers in order to do so. And two days later in Montreal, you said that you would never do that

00:50:32.360 without the approval of Quebec. What's the point of using emergency powers if you do have

00:50:38.940 the agreement of Quebec. However, I do agree with you. It's important to be very strong in front of

00:50:44.660 Mr. Trump. However, I would keep the dollar for dollar policy. Don't be weak in front of Mr. Trump.

00:50:53.840 And those counter-tariffs have to be targeted. You have put out already two billions of dollars for

00:51:02.380 Ontario auto industry car industry and the lumberwood industry in Quebec has already paid

00:51:08.700 to United States two billions of dollars and you have not raised one finger in order to help us

00:51:14.660 let's get from Mr Poliev and then a response from Mr Kearney well Mr Kearney refused to answer the

00:51:20.080 question about pipelines just the other day he said that he doesn't necessarily think we need

00:51:25.240 to build pipelines let me tell you what that means right now the Americans get 97 percent of

00:51:31.200 oil a hundred percent of our natural gas exports at big discounts we have to send canadian oil from

00:51:37.520 western canada through the states just to get it back to quebec because we don't have a pipeline

00:51:42.400 and now there's this law liberal law c69 would affect effectively bans pipelines the 14 biggest

00:51:49.600 energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project

00:51:54.720 and i asked mr carney why he would keep in place this anti-pipeline law that effectively

00:52:00.800 empowers donald trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export why would you not repeal

00:52:08.960 this liberal law isn't it because you are exactly the same in the same line as justin trudeau and

00:52:15.760 the rest of the liberal team that is now making up your cabinet let's get a response well let's uh

00:52:21.120 let me pick up a couple of points that have been made the first thing i did as prime minister was

00:52:25.040 to cut the carbon tax uh that's the first thing second thing is made a commitment made a commitment

00:52:30.640 that all proceeds all proceeds from our tariffs will go to workers and those questions there were

00:52:37.200 several points so far i may if mr steve if i may redress i'm trying to do it quickly because several

00:52:42.880 points raised all proceeds go to workers and the firm's most effective and those proceeds are

00:52:48.720 considerable third thing in i'm interested in solutions i'm interested in getting energy

00:52:54.160 infrastructure built that means pipelines that means carbon capture storage that means electricity

00:52:58.560 grids and here's how you do it and we've already moved in the first in the first month cooperation

00:53:03.920 agreements with the provinces guess what we are a federation you need to cooperate with quebec

00:53:08.000 you need to cooperate with the provinces you need to get first nations and indigenous people buy-in

00:53:12.880 you can do that through through the one project one review uh window that we put in place at that

00:53:19.200 first minister's meeting as well as if necessary using emergency powers to fulfill the federal

00:53:25.440 responsibility but not the unique mr poliev you want to come back on that what you're saying mr

00:53:29.760 carney with respect is a total contradiction the no new development law c69 guarantees there will

00:53:37.440 not be one-stop-shop because it requires the government of canada to actually duplicate

00:53:43.360 the same project have no regulation have one control over any energy

00:53:51.600 let's just let him finish the sentence that is not true in fact mr saying the reality is we

00:53:56.080 should have strong rules enforced once we shouldn't have multiple levels that takes

00:54:02.320 it takes now 17 years to get a major project approved in this country that is why in the last

00:54:09.360 10 years, we've had the worst economic growth in the entire G7. We cannot afford a fourth

00:54:16.920 liberal term. We need a change. And the conservative plan for a change will include

00:54:21.880 repealing the anti-pipeline law so we can get our energy to markets other than the United States.

00:54:26.660 Mr. Singh and Mr. Cardi. While these two compete about who's more pro-pipeline,

00:54:30.440 I think what we need to do is, I mean, it's clear, the liberals bought a pipeline,

00:54:33.640 they built a pipeline. I don't know what PR is complaining about. That's what they did.

00:54:37.240 I think what we need to do if we're talking about energy in our country we need to build an east-west

00:54:42.100 grid let's use our power as a nation to build a national project that creates good jobs that

00:54:47.740 strengthens us for the future where we connect the low-cost energy from jurisdictions and provinces

00:54:53.300 across this beautiful land and have low-cost energy for businesses for people so we can build

00:54:58.520 a stronger economy that's the the energy of the future that we need Mr. Carney three quick points

00:55:02.860 First, the pipeline built, yes, TMX built.

00:55:07.380 That's why oil exports up 50% over the course of the last few years.

00:55:11.040 Secondly, Mr. Singh is absolutely right about the east-west grid.

00:55:16.020 Grid interconnections, which is part of the energy corridor, huge opportunities for this country.

00:55:20.020 We have to be able to do more than one thing.

00:55:22.800 Third point, fundamental point, we can give ourselves far more than Donald Trump can ever take away.

00:55:28.560 If we have one Canadian economy, not 13, and if we just look at that agreement we got with the provinces, look at what Ontario and Nova Scotia have just announced in terms of their steps towards this, this is within our grasp.

00:55:41.500 Monsieur Blanchet, what should we be prepared to concede in our negotiations with the United States?

00:55:46.920 I want to be back to something that Mr. Carney said.

00:55:51.100 You can't do something and de-aposit and you can't fill people's mind with nonsense.

00:55:56.280 Quebec has, by law, its own environmental review institution, and you cannot, through a federal decision, even through a Quebec government decision, go over the BAP, as we call it.

00:56:13.240 If the BAP says no, she said, it's no.

00:56:17.620 I know.

00:56:18.540 I know.

00:56:19.280 I know.

00:56:19.840 Let's keep that in mind.

00:56:20.680 This is the point.

00:56:21.580 This is, if I may, this is the point.

00:56:24.160 The federal government can do the following.

00:56:26.280 which is to take the decision to abide by the decision of the quebec that that is within the

00:56:32.760 federal government's power that is known as cooperative federalism that's what we need

00:56:38.280 this is what we need if we i mean this is what we need to do in a crisis we have more you see and

00:56:42.840 then mr palier the building of those pipelines will take at least at least 10 to 14 years mr

00:56:54.760 trump will be 90 years old not president no more and somebody somebody of course less terrible will

00:57:03.000 be there before you can even dream of having oil through this pipeline of yours we're less than a

00:57:09.400 minute to go mr paliev i promised you next listen after the last 10 years of liberals blocking

00:57:15.960 pipelines and killing jobs sounds wild we actually actually need to get things done we need to change

00:57:23.000 and our conservative plan for change will repeal the no new pipelines law it will create a true

00:57:29.000 one-stop shop set up ready uh shovel ready zones with pre-permitting so that we can approve

00:57:35.240 lng liquefaction export plants mines pipelines nuclear plants and also hydroelectric dams so

00:57:44.920 that we can generate the power we need to be strong self-reliant and stand on our own two

00:57:51.000 last quick word to mr carney okay quick word bringing it back to what we're talking about

00:57:56.080 which is tariffs the threats to canada how to negotiate we need these options we need these

00:58:01.860 options to build domestically to build one canadian economy we need to act we need to

00:58:06.360 diversify our trade partners and that will give us great segment that is our time okay you know

00:58:10.360 my job tonight i got to be the heavy guy here every now and then making sure everybody comes

00:58:14.080 to time and i'm keeping an eye as well on making sure that everybody gets rough justice over here

00:58:18.560 That concludes our first section and our first debate.

00:58:21.660 Up next, affordability and the cost of living.

00:58:26.980 Our goal is to double the pace of housing construction.

00:58:31.080 You will lower your bills, build homes you can actually afford.

00:58:38.180 A big, powerful bring-it-home tax cut on work, investment, energy and home building.

00:58:49.260 Okay, leaders, same idea.

00:58:50.780 One-on-one questions followed by open debate format.

00:58:53.200 And Mr. Polyev, you get the first question this time.

00:58:55.780 Many provinces, including some provinces with conservative governments,

00:58:58.860 have ambitious housing targets, none of which have been met.

00:59:02.940 Why do you think your housing plan will be any different?

00:59:05.980 Let me start by talking to the young people of the nation

00:59:09.580 and those who are aspiring to homeownership.

00:59:12.300 It was only 10 years ago.

00:59:13.960 You could buy an average house for $450,000.

00:59:17.420 dollars. But in the last lost liberal decade, housing costs have doubled, rising faster than

00:59:23.960 in any country in the G7. And so now our youth cannot afford a home and our seniors are worried

00:59:30.400 about being evicted. We can't afford a fourth liberal term of rising housing costs. We need a

00:59:35.060 change. And our conservative plan for change will, one, axe the federal sales tax on new homes,

00:59:41.900 to incentivize municipalities to cut their construction taxes to bring houses down

00:59:48.020 and cost by $100,000. Three, sell off federal land for homes. And four, train up 350,000 young 0.62

00:59:57.260 trades workers who can help build those homes. Because you deserve a home and we're going to

01:00:02.640 make it happen for a change. Also on the issue of affordability, Mr. Singh, you got the next

01:00:06.960 question how do you bring down grocery prices in the midst of a trade war I appreciate the

01:00:12.500 I appreciate the question this is a big concern when I when I talk to Canadians they tell me

01:00:16.700 they're really feeling squeezed from the cost of living that's one of the top things that people

01:00:20.960 tell me about people are saying I can't afford to buy groceries every time I go to the grocery

01:00:25.060 store it's just ongoing worry and and this feeling of anxiety that can I actually afford the things

01:00:31.560 that my family needs on top of that people are worried about the cost of homes I think those

01:00:34.920 are the two biggest things I hear. So we can do things about this. Other countries have taken

01:00:39.060 concrete steps. We can put in a price cap on food essentials. France has done it. Greece has done it

01:00:44.640 to great success. It's brought down the cost of food significantly in both those jurisdictions.

01:00:49.340 We can also ban corporate landlords from buying up the affordable homes to keep homes that are

01:00:53.940 affordable, affordable. We can make things better for Canadians, but it requires having the courage

01:00:58.700 to take on the powerful corporations that are ripping you off, that are price gouging you. And

01:01:04.060 we know that price gouging is one of the major reasons why food prices are going up. You're

01:01:08.120 never going to hear Pierre Polyev or Mr. Carney talk about the fact that these are the corporations

01:01:12.400 Thank you, Mr. Singh, that's the time. Mr. Blanchet, I want to ask you about old age

01:01:15.960 security, which will soon cost this country $100 billion annually. We understand you would

01:01:21.300 like to expand it. How would you pay for that? We would want it to be just for everybody

01:01:26.180 because the Liberals have created the discrimination against elders which are 65 to 75 years old,

01:01:33.060 having 10 percent less income from federal government than those who are over 75 but

01:01:39.380 the best way to do it is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms of facts which means that one

01:01:45.940 should not be entitled to hide money in fiscal paradise in order not to pay him or his clients

01:01:53.460 or friends not to pay billions of dollars in taxes that could be used to help the situation

01:02:00.740 of elders those are things which are supposed to be applied applied to i'm sorry applied to

01:02:06.260 everybody there are a lot of questions to be answered about that other ways to do it is to

01:02:12.100 reduce the pressure on housing price to make sure that the whole budget of elders and

01:02:18.740 families and workers can afford houses which have increased dramatically that's time for this one

01:02:27.060 one, Mr. Carney, I want to ask you about housing, which over the past decade has gone from a problem

01:02:32.060 to a crisis while the Liberals were in power. Is your policy on getting homes built any different

01:02:38.000 from your predecessors and how? This is one of the reasons why I entered this contest,

01:02:45.660 because of the housing crisis, the cost of living crisis, the housing crisis and the Trump crisis

01:02:49.740 to help fix it. And I would say, look, the housing approach is fundamentally different because we

01:02:55.580 need a fundamentally different approach. We need to build housing at a rate that we haven't seen

01:03:01.680 since the end of the Second World War. We do need a fundamentally different approach. And with the

01:03:06.160 fundamentally different approach, we can build an entirely new industry. So the question is how?

01:03:10.640 Now, Mr. Polyev and I agree on some things. I agree as well on reducing the tax on first-time

01:03:17.760 home purchases as a way to buy. But I am focused on increasing the supply of homes and doing that

01:03:25.460 in a way that uses Canadian technology and modular, prefabricated housing, that uses Canadian lumber,

01:03:31.560 including in reinforced timber, and uses Canadian workers. And in all respects, we're scaling up

01:03:37.580 to double the rate of home building. Thank you, Mr. Carney. That's time. We now move to open

01:03:42.660 forum here. And Mr. Singh, you get the first comment. Many of you have pledged to cut the GST

01:03:47.780 on many aspects of buying a home. And Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, would you cut the GST

01:03:52.340 on anything else in order to make life more affordable.

01:03:55.320 Absolutely. In fact, I'm the only one on this stage

01:03:57.100 that fought to give people a GST holiday.

01:03:59.800 Interestingly, while the GST holiday helps working-class folks,

01:04:03.560 middle-class folks, by taking off the GST off essentials,

01:04:06.980 the Conservatives under Pierre Poirier voted against that.

01:04:09.860 They opposed the idea of giving people,

01:04:12.400 actual folks that need help, a tax break

01:04:14.360 and would rather give millionaires a tax break,

01:04:16.480 which shows you whose side he's on, which is not surprising.

01:04:19.360 But what is surprising is that Mr. Carney also said

01:04:21.760 that giving people a break on their GST is a bad idea.

01:04:24.700 Mr. Carney, why do you think giving a tax break

01:04:27.180 to capital gains folks that earn more than a million dollars

01:04:30.220 is a good idea, but helping a family afford their groceries,

01:04:34.080 helping people afford their bills for their internet,

01:04:36.640 their cell phone, their home heating,

01:04:38.240 giving them relief to take the GST off those is a bad idea,

01:04:41.420 but giving a tax break to people

01:04:43.200 who really only earn over more than $1.4 million,

01:04:46.840 that's somehow a good idea.

01:04:48.260 Okay, you went after Mr. Pallia.

01:04:50.320 first so i'm going to give him the first shot to respond if you will mr carney the reality is that

01:04:55.520 housing costs doubled under the liberal government while justin trudeau made exactly the same

01:05:01.840 promises that you are now repeating today he promised that he would double home building in

01:05:07.120 fact home building went down he promised that he reduced the cost in fact it went up and how here

01:05:12.000 we are mark carney is asking for a fourth liberal term repeating the exact same liberal promises

01:05:19.200 that priced you out of a house just a few weeks ago before the election the liberals voted against

01:05:25.360 taking the gst off new homes and they have continued to build up bureaucracies that

01:05:30.720 block construction we need a change so that you can afford a home and our change will be again

01:05:36.160 to axe the sales tax on new homes incentivize municipalities to speed up permits free up land

01:05:42.320 and cut development costs train up 350 000 young people who can be in the trades to build those

01:05:48.080 homes and sell off the land that is going to be needed in order to build homes. That is a real

01:05:53.080 plan, a real plan for you to own a home and afford your life for a change. Mr. Carney, they're coming

01:05:59.320 at you from both sides. What do you say? Okay, I know it may be difficult, Mr. Polyev. You spent

01:06:05.480 years running against Justin Trudeau and the carbon tax, and neither, they're both gone, okay?

01:06:10.180 They're both gone. And we're in a new, and we're in a very different, look, I'm a very different

01:06:17.040 person from Justin Trudeau. Focus is on results. And so how to drive results in the housing market.

01:06:25.480 You've got to change the model of building. You've got to increase the financing for

01:06:30.080 housing developers. $25 billion on the table for those housing developers.

01:06:34.860 $10 billion for deeply affordable homes. Cutting development charges in half. Lowering the cost

01:06:41.860 of the building of those homes by 20 percent in and lowering the emissions and the run costs of

01:06:48.820 those homes by another 20 percent this is how you drive affordability this is how you bring young

01:06:54.660 people back into the houses you claim to be very different from mr trudeau now the point is to show

01:07:04.100 that you are any better than mr trudeau you claim to have a lot of experience in many things and you

01:07:10.740 know things last time we had somebody saying that they knew things it was the senators and they

01:07:16.100 killed the law that protected supply management because they knew better than us and were elected

01:07:21.460 by nobody exactly like you are today you say that you are a great crisis manager which one

01:07:29.060 i heard of nothing as far as i know brexit happened even if you were against it you say

01:07:34.820 you are a great negotiator what have you negotiated but fiscal paradises in bermudas or

01:07:41.860 cayman islands you have to prove something and you have to reveal what you own in those companies

01:07:48.740 if you want people to believe you mr singh you wanted to yes returning to the topic of housing

01:07:53.700 now it's very important obviously we need to build homes that people can afford mr polyeth

01:07:57.940 had the opportunity to show us what he could do he was the minister of housing under stephen harper

01:08:03.220 and during that time guess how many homes he built he built six homes during that entire time this is

01:08:08.660 not something you can trust to build homes he built 200 200 this has been confirmed again and

01:08:13.620 again he earned 200 homes that's it now the problem though with mr carney as well he's laid

01:08:18.900 out a plan the problem is is that when he was the chair of brookville investments this is a company

01:08:24.020 that made a strategic decision to buy up affordable homes in cities like toronto where people were

01:08:30.100 paying a decent rent and they purposely bought those homes kicked out the tenants and jacked up

01:08:35.860 the rents that is not someone you can trust sadly to deal with the housing crisis when mr carney

01:08:40.900 you profited off of it we're going to get responses here mr paulia first mr carney second

01:08:45.860 first of all uh mr saying hold this up to remind you the toronto star the toronto star debunked

01:08:50.660 your fault it was six homes and i appreciate neither liberals or ndp are very good with math

01:08:55.300 But in that year, the year I was minister, we had 200,000 homes built.

01:09:05.580 And guess what the average price of a home was at the time?

01:09:08.620 $450,000.

01:09:09.820 And guess what happened at the end of the consumer?

01:09:11.560 And one bedroom was rented out for $900.

01:09:15.120 And since that time, housing costs have actually doubled under the Liberals.

01:09:18.940 And now we have Mr. Carney making tens of billions of dollars of spending promises.

01:09:25.300 that will ultimately continue to build bureaucracy.

01:09:28.880 We don't need more bureaucracy in Ottawa.

01:09:31.500 We tried that for 10 Liberal years, Mr Carney.

01:09:34.120 What we need is to build homes in communities.

01:09:36.980 And that means taxing taxes on home building

01:09:39.220 and getting the government out of the way

01:09:41.080 so that builders can actually build.

01:09:43.500 Mr Carney, you are on housing, we need a change,

01:09:46.500 and you, sir, are not a change.

01:09:48.440 Mark Carney.

01:09:49.680 I'm going to pick up on...

01:09:50.760 I thought that answer was quite revealing.

01:09:52.400 The first thing is that it's an attitude towards housing that absolutely ignores affordable housing, deeply affordable housing, issues with vulnerable people, ignores the rental market, ignores all other aspects of it.

01:10:05.760 So the six are the relevant. Mr. Singh is absolutely right. The six are the relevant 200,000.

01:10:11.700 The 200,000 are a different part of the housing market. There are many Canadians. There are many Canadians at different income levels.

01:10:19.440 The second thing it reveals is a misunderstanding or, well, a misunderstanding, I'll be polite, of how the government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous private investment.

01:10:34.440 And that is what we need to do to solve the housing crisis.

01:10:37.300 It happens to be what we need to do as a whole to address the economic crisis that's been forced on us by President Trump.

01:10:45.740 Monsieur Blanchet?

01:10:46.220 Yeah. You have spoken much more than I have, so I won't ask a question. I will make a statement instead. I'm not saying no, I'm not saying that you cannot do what you pretend that you are able to do. We just have no proof so far. I'm saying quite clearly that you cannot be entitled to do it alone.

01:11:04.800 You cannot be entitled to hold all the power in your two hands.

01:11:09.040 You cannot go out there and fix things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously checked by serious people.

01:11:17.320 You cannot go out there and speak for Quebec without Quebec having its own strong voice to protect itself and to promote its different economy.

01:11:27.180 So, if you want to collaborate, let's say right now that whatever happens, even if minority government happens, you will be a partner with the different Quebec economy and identity, which you have been not interested in for the economic part and not respectful for the identity part.

01:11:47.700 Let me get Mr. Singh in it at this point.

01:11:49.660 Can you tell us what's the first thing you would do to make life more affordable for Canadians?

01:11:54.020 There's a lot of things that we can do, and I've laid out some of those things.

01:11:56.580 I think fundamentally I'm the only person on stage that not only fought for real relief for people

01:12:01.140 in terms of affordability I'm the only one that fought for pharmacare that actually makes life

01:12:05.780 more affordable at giving people medication coverage dental care it gives people more

01:12:09.880 affordability by letting them access their services if you're a senior and a kid I fought

01:12:14.500 for child care to make sure people could afford child care all measures that Mr. Polyev voted

01:12:19.260 against all measures that Mr. Blanchet voted against so if you want someone that's going to

01:12:23.560 fight for you in Ottawa, to actually make life more affordable. You can't entrust all the power

01:12:28.500 to Mr. Carney. He doesn't have a track record of making life more affordable for people,

01:12:32.840 but we do. So vote for a new Democrat, and we'll continue this work to make life more affordable

01:12:37.120 for you. Follow the Conservatives and the Bloc have voted against those measures to make life

01:12:41.260 affordable, because that's not who they care about. New Democrats are in it for you. 0.93

01:12:45.200 Pierre Pelyaev. The number one expense for families today is taxes, more than they spend

01:12:50.780 on food clothing and shelter combined this after 10 years of liberal tax increases we can't afford

01:12:57.660 a fourth term of high liberal taxes that's why conservatives have a plan for change and that

01:13:03.700 planning plan voted against every measure to help people out cutting income taxes by 15 percent for

01:13:09.300 the average worker and seniors saving a working couple up to two thousand dollars rewarding hard

01:13:14.560 work again because hard work is actually being punished is actually being punished because of

01:13:21.180 the very high taxes now the liberals promised 10 years ago they would lower them they actually rose

01:13:26.620 to raise taxes on 9 out of 10 canadians we need a change in this country because your hard work

01:13:33.080 should once again pay off with a powerful paycheck that buys you an affordable food

01:13:37.660 affordable home on a safe street and that's what we will deliver you want to save people

01:13:41.780 two thousand dollars but cut their dental care which is thousands of dollars cut their child

01:13:45.660 care which is thousands of dollars cut pharma care coverage which is thousands of dollars

01:13:49.380 that's not a very good math deal right there you're going to cut you're going to save people

01:13:52.720 two thousand but cost them tens of thousands of dollars that's why you cannot afford conservatives

01:13:57.340 and you certainly can't trust the liberals on their own you need new democrats mark kearney

01:14:01.080 uh i'm going to reinforce that point and then i'll respond to mr blanchet um child care in

01:14:07.680 this country three thousand to ten thousand dollars a year for a family depending on where

01:14:12.180 you live province jurisdiction depending on where you live that's that's what's being saved there

01:14:17.800 eight hundred dollars per trip to the dentist we've expanded dental care to eight million

01:14:22.860 canada eight million canada pharma care these are fundamental issues for affordability we're

01:14:29.820 talking about affordability and taking them off in order that's why you need that tax

01:14:34.660 that's not what i've said and in terms of income working with quebec for canadian yes absolutely

01:14:41.620 throughout the short time i've been prime minister working directly with the premier of quebec

01:14:48.260 our minister of foreign affairs our minister of finance are from quebec quebec and quebec issues

01:14:53.780 whether it's why i've answered mr goes a letter he asked five things in a letter he reduced his

01:15:00.900 expectations we're talking about and you're did not even answer him and tonight you are so much

01:15:06.900 in love with quebec steve uh the question that canadians have to ask why vote whether is why

01:15:16.420 mr singh sorry he has the floor the question you have to ask is after a decade of liberal promises

01:15:24.340 can you afford food is your housing more affordable than it used to be

01:15:28.260 What is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago?

01:15:33.520 And are you prepared to elect the same liberal MPs, the same liberal ministers, the same liberal staffers all over again for a fourth term?

01:15:40.480 Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal, writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.

01:15:49.960 How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal government?

01:15:56.780 five seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that. Look, I do my own talking points.

01:16:02.100 Thank you very much. The biggest risk we have to affordability, the biggest risk we have to this

01:16:09.980 economy is Donald Trump. So first and foremost, we've got to get that right. Secondly, we need

01:16:15.120 to do it in a way that brings everyone along together. That means preserving pharma care,

01:16:22.460 dental care child care reinforcing health care spending our intrusion intrusion intrusion intrusion

01:16:28.520 in Quebec jurisdiction over and again I like if you're any better than we are the clock is there

01:16:34.580 one thing Canadians can do that Quebecers cannot do you are doing intrusions in our jurisdiction 0.94

01:16:40.400 with our money pretending you are better and most of the time you try to copy what we did

01:16:46.280 with our own money against us what's that as a policy don't you have your own things

01:16:51.580 gentlemen, that really is time for this segment. I wanted to be polite and let everybody finish

01:16:55.680 their points, but we've got to move on. So I took the liberty. Thank you. Okay, that ends

01:17:00.560 section two. Up next, public safety and security. Fight crime to protect Canadians and to build

01:17:09.120 communities that are safe, secure, and strong. Keep crimes, drugs, stolen cars, and other illegal

01:17:16.300 substances out of our country. We're going to invest in our borders, and that means hiring 0.99

01:17:20.940 more border officers. Resources are in short supply, not enough stuff. This is not the nice

01:17:28.360 way to treat people who come to our border. Okay, same format, one-on-one questions and then open

01:17:36.880 debate. Monsieur Blanchet, you get to go first in this one. Public safety and security, for a lot

01:17:42.220 of people, that means the fentanyl crisis. I'd like to know what you could contribute to

01:17:46.400 ending that crisis in this country?

01:17:49.180 The fentanyl crisis is a very serious issue,

01:17:52.240 which is a bit less important in Quebec than it is in British Columbia.

01:17:55.440 I think the whole border thing is the real issue.

01:17:59.160 Immigration is a very important issue for Quebecers.

01:18:03.040 Immigration has to be dealt with in an orderly fashion.

01:18:06.500 Our borders are not dealt with in an orderly fashion.

01:18:10.800 The rules are not respected. The rules are unclear.

01:18:13.260 Some rules even invite people to hide for two weeks illegally before coming out.

01:18:19.240 Some things have to be done.

01:18:21.560 The situation of one person asking for asylum may take as much as four years without us reducing the number in order to deal with them in a human way.

01:18:34.100 The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced because we cannot afford the fact that we are receiving much, much more people in Quebec from this specific type of immigration than we can afford, and we cannot teach them French. 1.00

01:18:50.520 That's time, Monsieur Blanchet. We can, of course, return to the immigration issue during open debate, should you choose to.

01:18:55.800 Mr. Carney, question for you.

01:18:57.100 The Liberal gun buyback policy, not considered a success by many people.

01:19:02.800 Reviving it is in your platform.

01:19:04.720 Why would it work this time?

01:19:06.340 Yeah, I think, well, what we've seen with that policy is some success at the commercial level,

01:19:12.300 but not at the individual level, because it hasn't been, in my opinion,

01:19:16.120 it hasn't been organized properly, and it needs to be organized properly.

01:19:19.880 And I've instructed the Minister of National Security and Public Safety in order to do that.

01:19:26.880 So part of this is a different focus of government, a focus on results, a focus on clear milestones in the short term.

01:19:34.100 Let me make a broader point, though, on gun, which is that we have a problem with guns coming over borders, which is why we tighten our borders.

01:19:42.340 We have an issue, though, with a gun industry that is continually coming up with new forms of assault rifles, mass killing machines.

01:19:51.020 We've banned over 2,000 of these.

01:19:54.260 Every single time there has been a vote in the House of Commons on gun control, Mr. Polyev has voted against it.

01:20:01.460 You can't be tough on crime unless you're tough on guns.

01:20:04.860 Mr. Polyev, you can come back on that in the open debate if you want to.

01:20:08.100 But my question for you in this segment is, Indigenous people are statistically overrepresented in our corrections system.

01:20:14.720 Are you concerned that your tough on crime platform will make that worse?

01:20:19.400 I'm concerned that Indigenous people are disproportionately the victims of crime.

01:20:24.460 I give you the example of a wonderful group of Indigenous people who came under attack in Saskatchewan, and many of them were murdered.

01:20:33.380 killer was out of jail after 60 prior convictions. This is the result of 10 years of liberal laws

01:20:45.160 that allow the same offenders to be released dozens and dozens of times, even when it's

01:20:50.720 known they are a danger. We can't risk a fourth liberal term of soft on crime policies. We need

01:20:57.960 change and the conservative plan for change will bring in a three strikes you're outlaw three

01:21:03.640 convictions for serious crimes you go to jail for at least 10 years maybe for life no chance of

01:21:08.600 parole or bail we will bring in life sentences for traffickers of fentanyl human beings and guns and

01:21:16.920 we will secure our borders to keep the illegal thank you mr paliev that's time mr singh your 0.98

01:21:22.200 question is about the RCMP because you've got RCMP reform in your platform what in your view is the

01:21:28.640 problem with the RCMP? Well some of the basis for this is the concern that's been raised in more

01:21:34.360 rural communities and northern communities that there have been some serious concerns about

01:21:38.720 violence or inappropriate use of force when it comes to the execution of their duties. We want

01:21:45.480 to make sure that we've got a top-tier police force that provides security and safety to those

01:21:51.180 communities in a way that's sensitive and understanding of the communities they're

01:21:54.220 serving. I also think what's very important is for indigenous communities, indigenous policing.

01:21:58.780 This is an area of deep concern. I think everyone in our country should be safe. You should be able

01:22:03.740 to be safe at home, safe when you go to work, safe if you take public transit, safe for your kids to

01:22:09.420 be able to play in the local playground. And that's something I'm committed to. And the other

01:22:13.260 area that I'm focused on when it comes to public safety is making sure we prevent crime before it

01:22:17.900 happens and that's why we want to see increased investments in our border security we saw under

01:22:23.420 the conservatives they cut 1100 border officers in one day uh so that prevented our ability to

01:22:29.420 keep our borders safe that stops those materials coming next time not sure it was about the rcmp 0.82

01:22:34.300 but maybe we can get back to that during the open debate segment uh which we go to right now and

01:22:38.780 mr pauliev you get the first word on this one and it sort of dovetails on the last answer you gave

01:22:43.260 which is, you have pledged to be the first prime minister in this country to use the notwithstanding clause,

01:22:49.220 setting aside charter rights of, as you call them, multiple murderers.

01:22:53.000 Why do you think that's necessary?

01:22:54.940 To be clear, I want to uphold the charter rights of Canadians under Section 7 to life, liberty, and security of the person.

01:23:03.640 Right now, that right is violated by multiple murderers who are given discounts.

01:23:09.460 The case in question was a gentleman who went into a mosque and shot dead six innocent worshipers.

01:23:16.900 He got, according to this ruling, only one 25-year sentence, meaning he could be out in his 50s.

01:23:23.260 He only serves four years for every murder that he carried out.

01:23:27.280 That is outrageous.

01:23:29.160 And I will use the constitutional powers that are created for this purpose

01:23:33.520 to ensure that mass murderers stay in maximum security penitentiary for life they will only

01:23:40.080 come out in a box we will also pass tough new laws that prevent repeat offenders from getting

01:23:45.820 out if you commit three offenses under the three strikes law i propose you will not be allowed out

01:23:50.500 of jail until you prove that you are drug free that you that you are behaved perfectly and you've

01:23:56.920 learned an employable skill and you've served a 10-year sentence we cannot allow liberal crime

01:24:01.700 and chaos to go on terrorizing our communities what we need is a real plan for change so that

01:24:07.780 we can bring back the safety and the security that canadians used to take for granted let me

01:24:12.140 get mr carney to respond to that you think that's an appropriate use of the notwithstanding clause

01:24:15.660 of the charter i think that the um one of the core responsibilities of the federal government

01:24:21.180 prime minister uh is to defend the fundamental rights and liberties of canadians uh and those

01:24:27.600 fundamental rights and liberties of Canadians are outlined in our Charter of

01:24:31.800 Rights and Freedoms, which is 43 years old literally today. I think it's a very

01:24:38.400 dangerous slope to override judgments of the Supreme Court of Canada. In fact, the

01:24:48.320 Charter of Rights and Freedoms exists to protect Canadians from people like us on 1.00

01:24:55.640 the stage. Politicians who may use their power to override fundamental rights. And the issue

01:25:04.500 in using by the federal government, I'll stop here, is not where you start, but where will you

01:25:10.820 stop? Mr. Poliev, I should get Mr. Poliev on that. Is it a slippery slope if you use it in this case?

01:25:15.780 I must say, I would be quite interested too, because Mr. Carney said that he didn't want us

01:25:20.920 use the notwithstanding clause before adopting a law. And yesterday he said that he felt that

01:25:30.760 it was wrong to use the notwithstanding clause after a law is adopted. So if we cannot use it

01:25:38.840 before and we cannot use it after, it means that Mr. Comey believes that we should never use it.

01:25:46.120 but it is very important and the ford case made it clear the constitution says how it should be used

01:25:54.440 but never how or what we will do with it because it's the prerogative of the provinces so

01:26:03.240 do you want the supreme court to overrule another judgment of the same supreme court because you

01:26:10.440 don't like it because that would be being the hell of a politician as you define them well

01:26:15.080 Well, let me just start by saying, first of all, yeah, thank you.

01:26:17.900 I just started by saying, let's not let Mr. Polyev get away with making this ludicrous claim

01:26:23.180 that anyone on this stage thinks that violent crime should get a less severe penalty.

01:26:29.120 Obviously, that is not a special position that he's taking.

01:26:32.180 Everyone agrees that horrible crimes should have horrible sentences.

01:26:36.740 Judges are equipped to do that.

01:26:38.380 So don't let Mr. Polyev's rhetoric confuse people.

01:26:41.600 obviously everyone agrees that if someone does something horrible, they should pay a horrible

01:26:45.600 price for it. There should be a proper sentence that's put in place by a judge. But what I'm

01:26:50.300 concerned about is all of what Mr. Pauly was talking about is after the fact. Now, there's

01:26:54.800 heinous things that happen, and there needs to be severe penalties put in place. But we also need

01:26:59.520 to keep communities safe. And that's what my focus is. Well, how do we stop crime before it happens?

01:27:04.560 Much of the violent crime that's committed is committed by illegal handguns and firearms

01:27:09.500 that have come across the border.

01:27:11.300 Now, Mr. Polyev has admitted that as well,

01:27:13.040 that it is illegal handguns and illegal weapons

01:27:15.400 that are used in violent crime.

01:27:17.100 So our plan is let's stop those illegal weapons

01:27:20.220 getting into our country in the first place. 0.98

01:27:22.640 And the way we do that is by having stronger border security officers

01:27:25.520 and having more people on the border.

01:27:27.660 Mr. Pierre Polyev, when he was in power in the Conservatives,

01:27:31.140 they cut the number of border officers.

01:27:33.020 They reduced the number, weakening our borders.

01:27:35.720 We can't trust them to do these other things.

01:27:37.140 Let's get back to Mr. Polyev on the issue of

01:27:39.480 whether in using the Notwithstanding Clause under these circumstances would be a kind of a slippery slope

01:27:44.000 and encourage politicians to use it more?

01:27:46.960 No, we will use it to protect the charter rights of law-abiding Canadians.

01:27:51.860 I'm interested in the rights of victims.

01:27:54.940 Mr. Carney seems to be very interested in the rights of criminals.

01:27:59.320 He says that it's dangerous for me to ensure that mass murderers stay behind bars for life.

01:28:06.120 You know what's dangerous? Turning them loose on our streets.

01:28:09.480 I don't think you appreciate, sir, the chaos that is unfolding in communities.

01:28:13.720 In Toronto right now, the police have been forced to tell people to just let people, let the thief steal the car.

01:28:21.680 When they break into the house, just take the keys.

01:28:23.980 Just let them take the keys so that you don't get hurt.

01:28:27.140 People are living in terror in many of our communities precisely because of the catch and release bail law, C-75,

01:28:34.480 which requires judges release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the least onerous

01:28:41.460 conditions. Every single member of your Liberal caucus and your Liberal cabinet voted in favour

01:28:48.460 of this bill and they are all determined to keep it in place despite constant promises to the

01:28:54.380 contrary. Mr Carney, Canadians deserve to live in peace and security. That is the right that I'm

01:29:01.400 fighting for, for a change. I'm fighting for that as well. And let me be specific about two things

01:29:07.520 that have been raised. The first is with respect to these issues of car theft, home invasion,

01:29:14.720 and I'll use the greater, the GTA area where there has been sharp increase. How do you attack that?

01:29:21.940 You attack it several ways. One, you increase the criminal penalties for that happening,

01:29:27.740 particularly if you're part of a gang particularly if you use a firearm and you will do that and

01:29:33.380 we're doing so we've committed uh to doing so you put in place a reverse onus in terms of bail

01:29:38.360 so that it has to be proven that there's not a risk which we've also committed to and then you

01:29:43.140 go to what mr singh was talking about which is we have to reinforce our frontiers that's why we're

01:29:48.920 committing to an extra thousand canada border service agents an extra thousand rcmp's that's

01:29:55.320 why as part of the broader Fentanyl initiative, where we've added to the RCMP there, we've added

01:30:01.700 drones, we're adding helicopters, we're adding surveillance, and we're going to the other end of

01:30:07.000 the chain with respect to CAR TAP, which is tightening security at the ports. This is what

01:30:12.860 we need. In order to get results, you need to focus where at both ends of the chains.

01:30:18.000 Thank you very much. I want to talk about one of the issues that has come up is the idea of

01:30:22.720 The public safety concerns around the overdose crisis and how this is devastating our communities.

01:30:29.000 We're seeing so many lives being lost.

01:30:31.980 In that, we know that one of the ways to address that is by investing in some of the solutions like mental health services and rehabilitation services.

01:30:39.660 Services keep our communities safe, having access to those good services.

01:30:43.940 Both Mr. Carney and Mr. Polyev are proposing cutting government spending and cutting those services.

01:30:49.060 That's not going to make our communities safer.

01:30:50.760 We need to see better investments in rehabilitation services, more investments in mental health.

01:30:55.720 We need to respond to this serious crisis in our country with care and compassion.

01:31:00.760 I've met with Moms Stop the Harm, an organization of moms that have lost their children to this opioid overdose crisis.

01:31:08.140 They've literally had their children have died because of this.

01:31:11.180 And they say they're saying we need to do everything possible to save lives, to stop this death from happening.

01:31:17.300 And I think we need to listen to those moms. 1.00

01:31:18.860 And that's my commitment.

01:31:19.540 mr blanchet two things as rapidly as possible first we believe that we should act on crime

01:31:25.860 gangs and organizations defining them as we do for terrorist organization we have to protect

01:31:32.660 our kids from the violence of those guys from the drugs being sold by those gang from the

01:31:39.620 guns and whatever else being stolen

01:31:43.060 being sold by those gangs and we mostly have to protect our kids from being recruited by those

01:32:03.460 gangs becoming violent at 13 and 14 and 16 years old because this is the real fear of parents like

01:32:12.340 i am this is a very dangerous situation i want to come back to immigration because we said that we 0.97

01:32:17.540 would come back to immigration do you remember the century initiative a sad memory officially

01:32:24.180 they said that they had not considered quebec difference they had not considered quebec

01:32:28.820 language they wanted canada to be 100 million people country by the end of the century mr

01:32:36.580 barton told myself told me himself that he had not even thought about the quebec difference in

01:32:43.780 that analysis and one of his closest collaborators is now a close counselor to mr carne which seems

01:32:50.660 to be part of so of that kind of project or ideology so it is impossible for canada to

01:32:57.540 have all those people coming to canada it is impossible for quebec to receive all those people

01:33:02.900 and in quebec we have the language and values and secularity of the state issue which is very

01:33:07.780 important so i say pause pause pause let's do things properly let's receive migrants in an 0.98

01:33:16.100 orderly fashion and successfully as a measure of respect for them also mr poliet if you wanted a

01:33:23.300 word i speak to families all the time who are terrified by the scourge of drugs and illegal

01:33:29.540 guns and we know those guns are not grandpa joe's hunting rifle so when the liberals try to ban

01:33:35.000 hunting rifles they're really going after the wrong people 90 of guns that come in that are

01:33:41.400 used in crime are smuggled illegally over the porous liberal run borders that's why the police

01:33:48.340 is not true and that's why the police actually if i could the police actually in georgia the police

01:33:55.900 in Barrie, in Peel, in Sault Ste. Marie have all endorsed me because they know that I will go after

01:34:02.220 the gun smugglers and criminals with 2,000 extra border, frontline border guards that will stop the

01:34:08.040 guns from coming in. But unlike the Liberals and NDP, I will not ban hunting rifles. The Liberals

01:34:13.940 want to protect, I want to protect Canadians from criminals. The Liberals want to protect

01:34:17.860 turkeys from hunters. I think we know which one makes sense. Quick intervention, Mr. Carney,

01:34:21.740 then I got a question for each of you before this segment's out. Okay. Um, we absolutely fully

01:34:26.840 support, uh, hunting, uh, rights of, uh, hunters, um, and, uh, indigenous Canadians, but I want to,

01:34:32.520 I want to raise an issue, which is a serious issue talking about safety. Uh, there are people

01:34:36.760 we're in Montreal, in Montreal, in Toronto, across this country who fear going to their synagogue,

01:34:43.760 fear going to their community center, fear, uh, taking their children, leaving their children's

01:34:48.300 school and this has to stop this is on it's totally unacceptable so what we're proposing

01:34:54.860 is to make it a criminal offense to threaten or to impede anyone from being near or going to

01:35:02.640 their place of worship their school their community center this I it pains me that when

01:35:08.240 we have to do it because this is not what we should be doing as Canadians of course but we

01:35:13.940 will put that in place let me get back and this is a fundamental issue with let me get 10 seconds

01:35:19.320 from each of you before this segment's out on what you perceive to be the biggest security threat

01:35:23.660 to canada right now 10 seconds each mr poly f the physical security threat to our country

01:35:30.820 is the rampant crime wave that is running out of control uh after the the last decade we had

01:35:38.000 116 increase in gun crime we need to lock up criminals i got to hold you the 10 seconds mr

01:35:43.320 well we're in a security uh section um i think we didn't have a chance to talk about anything

01:35:48.760 internationally i think the biggest security threat to china canada is china china you say 0.75

01:35:53.080 yeah mr singh uh biggest security threat illegal guns and drugs coming across the border and cuts

01:35:58.760 to services that would make our public safety and security even worse last word to mr blanche

01:36:04.120 the fact that either quebec or canada is able to protect itself and that we are still dependent

01:36:09.880 and entirely dependent on americans to protect us okay that is the end of that section gentlemen

01:36:16.760 up next energy and climate improving pipelines getting things built unleashing production

01:36:25.800 we are unlocking major infrastructure projects including in conventional energy oil and gas we

01:36:32.680 We're speaking thousands of dollars a year for each family you pay for the damages of climate change.

01:36:42.820 We can absolutely build important projects like an east-west energy grid.

01:36:48.860 Energy and climate change.

01:36:50.680 I know how much all of you love talking about pipelines, so here we go.

01:36:53.480 Mr. Singh, to you first.

01:36:55.220 Should Canada build new pipelines to get our oil and gas to market?

01:36:59.500 Well, it's not an approach I favor with public money.

01:37:01.920 there's not any projects that are on the table so it's not a specific project to look at i favor

01:37:06.800 when it comes to the environment uh building an east-west energy grid that connects low-cost

01:37:11.760 energy and allows for families to reduce their electricity costs but let's put this all in

01:37:16.480 context we're talking about uh what our energy solutions are in the context of a climate crisis

01:37:22.240 and we're not just talking about a climate crisis in the far future we're living it right now i

01:37:27.760 remember i met a mom a couple years ago before i had kids who told me she was worried about

01:37:31.840 about taking your kids out on some days because of the forest fires in BC, it meant that it was

01:37:36.600 unsafe for kids to go outdoors. Fast forward to when I became a parent just a couple years after

01:37:40.560 that, and I literally worry about the same thing. The forest fires we saw a couple years ago

01:37:44.840 meant that many places that didn't see this before saw days where there was such smoke in the air

01:37:51.620 that it was dangerous for kids. We've seen extreme weather, forest fires, heat domes,

01:37:57.520 floods impacting us. We've got to do everything we can. Thank you, Mr. Singh. That's time.

01:38:01.400 Mr. Poliev, where does fighting climate change land on your list of priorities

01:38:05.400 when it comes to expanding energy opportunities in this country?

01:38:09.560 It lands within our priorities of bringing home jobs

01:38:13.520 while bringing down emissions around the world.

01:38:16.640 Look, the reality is that if we push production out of our country

01:38:21.400 to more polluting countries, it actually makes the problem worse.

01:38:24.880 But that has been exactly the liberal approach

01:38:27.060 with the anti-development law of C-69, blocking of 15 LNG export plants over the last 10 years.

01:38:36.280 We have seen more of those jobs go abroad. I want to bring them home. My plan will be to approve, 1.00

01:38:43.040 for example, natural gas liquefaction and export. If we sent our gas to India, for example,

01:38:49.220 to displace half of their demand for electricity,

01:38:53.340 we could reduce emissions by 2.5 billion tons,

01:38:58.060 which is three times the total emissions of Canada.

01:39:01.920 That's the way we bring emissions down and jobs up. 0.98

01:39:07.260 It's common sense, and now it's time to bring it home.

01:39:10.380 Thank you, Mr. Polyev.

01:39:11.460 The next question is for Mr. Carney.

01:39:13.700 How would your government fast-track pipelines

01:39:15.960 and mining projects while also following the Supreme Court decision that requires consent

01:39:21.920 of indigenous communities? Well, I think the first thing, and this goes back a bit to where

01:39:26.880 we started, which is recognizing that we are in a crisis. We need to act with maximum force

01:39:33.120 and having a process and a consultation, but a consultation with a purpose, which is to identify

01:39:40.980 those projects, those investments of national interest that are really going to move the dial

01:39:47.300 in terms of growth, jobs, energy security, well-being consistent with long-term competitiveness,

01:39:54.320 which necessarily means lower carbon. And so part of that process is ensuring that First Nations,

01:40:00.280 Indigenous peoples, are there from the start. It also includes their ability to participate fully

01:40:06.180 in those projects. And that's why, and I'll, I know you, I can tell, you've got to tell on when

01:40:11.620 I've gone on too long, so finish up, which is, that's why we're doubling our proposals to double

01:40:17.540 the Indigenous Loan Guarantee Program to $10 billion. What does that actually mean? It means

01:40:22.100 an ability for them to invest equity in those projects and be full partners. Thank you.

01:40:26.980 My tell is my clock and my clock is at zero. So that's how it goes. Mr. Blanchet, do you still

01:40:31.600 oppose pipeline construction in quebec even though a majority of quebecers now apparently say they

01:40:36.880 support it we will know about that when we have held the debate about that which has not begun

01:40:42.080 yet we are just bigotting it first we are hearing very creative numbers and we are being fed nonsense

01:40:50.400 and we will be back to it in a few minutes but energy trade commerce is from south to north or

01:40:59.520 north to south and it's true in quebec also in a little more than three years donald trump won't

01:41:06.560 be in office and there will be not one more pipeline having bill been built once we get there

01:41:16.160 so let's be serious responsible and we will be back with the numbers we don't want to pay in

01:41:24.000 in Quebec for such monctuosities which will provide us with nothing.

01:41:30.940 We now move to open debate and you all will get a chance or have had a chance to get the

01:41:35.000 first shot at this.

01:41:36.000 Monsieur Blanchet, it is your turn to get the first shot.

01:41:39.480 Canada has a substantial supply of critical minerals which are in high demand.

01:41:43.260 Are you in favour of allowing these minerals to be mined?

01:41:47.200 Of course, it has to be done properly.

01:41:51.140 as probably the most important clean phosphate reserves in North America.

01:41:57.140 In Saguenay-Lac Saint-Jean, it is very important. It has to be exploited.

01:42:01.140 This is the best way to use Paul Saguenay as an infrastructure that we need.

01:42:06.140 We have lithium. Everybody needs lithium.

01:42:08.140 Transportation has to be taken from oil to clean energy.

01:42:14.140 This is what we want to be working on.

01:42:16.140 working on it it's part of the specificities of specifics of quebec economy so we are in favor of

01:42:23.900 that but we don't want to pay for the 30 billions of dollars which have been spent on oil and gas

01:42:31.340 by the liberals last year it's seven billions of dollars from quebec we don't want to pay for the

01:42:37.100 40 billions of dollars which have been spent by the liberals on trans fountain it's nine

01:42:43.180 billions of dollars from quebec those are 16 billions of dollars of which not one dollar has

01:42:50.300 been spent in quebec to develop a lot more power and wealth for quebecers with our own money we

01:42:59.340 need to let the leader of the liberals respond uh well actually i was going to pick up on the

01:43:04.140 enormous opportunity that exists in quebec exists in ontario exists in the north of canada really

01:43:10.620 exists across this great nation in terms of critical metals and minerals we are one of have

01:43:15.820 one of the biggest resources in this country and this is it's not just enormous economic opportunity

01:43:21.980 it is a strategic opportunity for canada so we have to make a decision not just to develop it

01:43:28.140 but how do we develop it and who are our partners for it do we become more dependent on the united

01:43:33.580 states which is what they want by the way president trump this week said you might put a tax on

01:43:37.820 critical metals and minerals just showing again if i may if i may if i may if i may finish let me

01:43:47.820 finish so the opportunity includes in europe and includes in asia as our partners last point

01:43:54.540 in order to get it done in order to get it done we'll put in place a first and last mile fund

01:43:58.940 so these projects are connected to road and rail so they can go quickly to market

01:44:02.620 And we will have all of the other fast-tracking measures in place

01:44:06.800 that I talked about earlier in terms of capital, timing, approvals,

01:44:09.960 so that we can move quickly, we can be stronger at home,

01:44:13.720 better ways with the approval of the bill.

01:44:15.200 Mr. Singh has the floor.

01:44:16.620 We should absolutely take advantage of the fact

01:44:19.040 that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in our country.

01:44:21.820 And the way we do that is with any energy project

01:44:24.220 or any project of this nature,

01:44:25.700 make sure it's got the local community buy-in,

01:44:27.660 it creates good jobs in communities,

01:44:29.580 make sure we are meeting all our environmental needs,

01:44:31.380 and we work with Indigenous partnership.

01:44:34.140 And so I absolutely agree with that.

01:44:35.400 I want to build on something Mr. Blanchet mentioned

01:44:37.100 about the investments that this country has made.

01:44:40.140 What I found very troubling is that the past number of years,

01:44:45.220 the Liberal government record is one where we have spent

01:44:48.040 the most subsidies compared to any other country in the G7

01:44:51.880 on subsidizing oil and gas.

01:44:54.440 These are highly profitable companies.

01:44:56.040 I think that's the wrong thing to do.

01:44:58.200 We fought against it again and again.

01:44:59.660 And then the Liberals have continued to do it.

01:45:02.460 And so my question really to Mr. Carney is, will you commit to ending oil and gas subsidies?

01:45:07.400 We should be using that to invest in people, not giving it to highly profitable oil and gas companies.

01:45:12.840 Yeah, we talked. I promised Mr. Palliev the next. We'll come back and get that question answered.

01:45:17.400 Mr. Palliev.

01:45:18.740 Well, Mr. Carney, you point out that Donald Trump has a wrongheaded idea of putting a tax on our minds and our industry.

01:45:27.480 And that is wrong.

01:45:29.660 But so do you. You want to apply a massive industrial carbon tax on Canadian mines, Canadian steel mills, Canadian aluminum plants, Canadian oil and gas plants.

01:45:41.820 And your idea is to double the tax that Trump is applying by hitting them a second time.

01:45:47.420 This will do nothing for the environment. It will actually ship our jobs south of the border just like President Trump wants.

01:45:55.500 my plan is to bring that production home here to Canada. For example, I will give a tax credit

01:46:01.480 to low-emitting Canadian industry, like Quebec's aluminum, for example, or British Columbia's

01:46:08.980 natural gas, so that we not only bring home the production, but we do it below global average

01:46:14.880 levels of emissions, so that we actually help the environment while bringing home the jobs for our

01:46:20.420 people at the same time that is that is a sensible pragmatic approach that puts us in charge of our

01:46:27.540 economic destiny so we can stand up to the americans from a position of strength for a change

01:46:32.500 i want to get i want to give you a chance to speak to mr singh's criticism about oil and gas

01:46:39.540 subsidies and mr polyev's criticism about the industrial carbon tax okay i'm going to make

01:46:44.420 i'm going to make three points i'll make four if you want me to respond to that but i want to make

01:46:47.940 three um the first is that um we answered i answered this question last night but i think

01:46:53.620 the puck had already dropped in the canadians game so not everyone heard it yes and oil and

01:46:57.460 gas subsidies that's why you need you secondly secondly secondly i would have done it independently

01:47:02.100 secondly recognizing that the biggest component of that was the cost of building keystone keystone

01:47:08.500 which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil and gas export oil exports rather by 50

01:47:13.860 in this country um that is an asset of the people of canada we own it uh and the question what to do

01:47:20.500 it so it's not a subsidy that has disappeared it's actually an asset of canada the third point

01:47:24.500 though in terms of where the oil and gas industry particularly the oil industry needs wants to and

01:47:28.900 needs to go which is to become low carbon low carbon in production and transportation of oil

01:47:34.340 one of the big projects we need to move forward with is carbon capture and storage the pathways

01:47:39.220 project so that we have oil and gas that is competitive not just today 10 years from now

01:47:45.220 and 20 years from now as the world uses less we want to have more market share we need to do

01:47:50.340 my government my government will move that but by definition a subsidy isn't when we buy a pipeline

01:47:56.740 i'm talking about subsidies that go to oil and gas companies well dependent separate from the

01:48:01.140 country oil and gas companies that's what the figure you quoted last night uh included the

01:48:05.060 cost of the pipeline do you want to address millions of dollars we're spending we got to

01:48:07.460 to stop spending. Sorry, can we can we get you to address his point? How much will the industrial

01:48:11.660 carbon tax add to the price of a car? So the first thing I want to say is we have I'm going to address

01:48:17.180 the broader point. Well, broader point is the entire absence of a climate plan from Mr. Poglia,

01:48:23.020 which, by the way, is going to put our industry and our country at a disadvantage as we're looking

01:48:30.060 for new trading partners. Guess what? Most people want to deepen our partnership in Europe, in Asia.

01:48:36.140 those countries care about whether or not you've made progress second thing is we're designing a

01:48:41.640 program so that the big polluters pay canadians at home for making responsible climate choices for

01:48:49.260 retrofitting their home getting their emissions down or improving otherwise and that is smart

01:48:55.000 climate policy it's better for the big polluters and it's better for canadians

01:48:58.780 mr carney didn't answer my question i asked how much would the industrial carbon tax

01:49:05.860 on canadian steel add to the price of a car he won't answer because he knows that it will be

01:49:11.160 very expensive because there's lots of steel in cars now well mr carney has temporarily

01:49:16.520 but you know the end in the car in the car thousands of dollars

01:49:21.840 when you add taxes to steel you raise the price of everything that uses steel when you add

01:49:33.040 When you add the carbon tax onto the price of, for example, fertilizer, you increase the price of food.

01:49:43.820 So while Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the liberal carbon tax at the pumps while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election,

01:49:52.640 he's also going after a tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on to you.

01:49:57.860 After a lost Liberal decade of rising costs, we cannot afford a fourth Liberal term.

01:50:03.780 We need a new government that will fully axe the carbon tax, increase the jobs that we have here in Canada, and bring down your cost of living.

01:50:12.400 We've got just a little over three minutes left in this segment.

01:50:14.520 So, Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, do you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians?

01:50:18.420 You're out there. What are you hearing?

01:50:20.360 Absolutely. You speak to any young person and they think, you know, we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now.

01:50:27.660 speak to seniors who say you know we used to be able to live in our homes without air conditioning

01:50:31.900 and now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never had worries about extreme weather

01:50:37.340 we're seeing flooding we're seeing forest fires like never before we're living in a climate crisis

01:50:42.300 so Canadians are absolutely worried about it as soon as we come into a summer we start seeing

01:50:46.680 those forest fires again it's top of mind for Canadians because they're living it they're

01:50:50.220 seeing it I want those Canadians to know Mr Carney is not going to end those fossil fuel

01:50:54.480 subsidies unless I'm there to fight back. Mr. Polyev wants to let big polluters pollute as much

01:50:59.580 as they want, poison our beautiful land, our water, the air. He wants to let them dump into

01:51:05.100 our oceans. I'm going to fight back and defend our environment. Mr. Blanchet, on the issue of

01:51:09.080 whether or not people still care about climate change. I think people should be kept very

01:51:15.140 informed about climate change because we are in a very strange denial situation about climate

01:51:21.400 change which still exists and is very expensive and i'm sorry to crash your party guys but

01:51:28.040 you are telling fairy tales clean oil and gas is a fairy tale large scales carbon sequestration

01:51:37.880 sorry i'm french is a fairy tale it does not exist if alberta wanted to exploit oil and gas and it

01:51:47.240 were not a matter of pollution i wouldn't mind at all that's their business our own power house

01:51:54.840 in terms of energy in quebec is clean energy we are the best place in the world to achieve that

01:52:01.160 our market is the northeastern part democrat part of united states we want to keep our money to

01:52:09.400 create wealth in Quebec for Quebecers. Let us be different because we can afford to be different. 0.98

01:52:16.680 I will get to you because I said I would, but you've taken a couple of hits here,

01:52:21.960 and I want to give you a chance to respond to some of the things the people on this side of

01:52:24.920 the stage have said. Thank you. Well, first of all, we do support protecting the environment,

01:52:29.800 banning. We want to ban the dumping of raw sewage into our waters. We want to hold large corporations

01:52:36.360 to high environmental standards to protect our water and air. But we cannot do that by raising

01:52:42.740 taxes and sending jobs overseas, as Mr. Carney is proposing to do. That has been the approach

01:52:48.480 of the last 10 years of the Liberal government. What the biggest companies that develop our

01:52:54.560 resources say is that we need to repeal the Liberal Anti-Development Law, C-69, a law Mr.

01:53:01.060 Carney wants to keep in place. They say we need to repeal the industrial carbon tax and get rid

01:53:05.360 of the liberal energy cap we need six months approvals in order to get our to take back energy

01:53:12.340 security and energy sovereignty thank you very much you know i i was born in foursmith in the

01:53:22.300 northwest territories just north of what the oil sands became when i was born and when i was growing

01:53:27.920 up in edmonton early days it was a fairy tale quote unquote but you know what happened canadian

01:53:33.600 ingenuity, Canadian engineers, Canadian governments, both the federal government and the Alberta

01:53:37.940 government got together and created, converted the worst pollution. If I may, if I may, the worst

01:53:42.200 10 more seconds to finish, please. Let him finish his point. That's the opportunity we have. That's

01:53:49.060 the opportunity we have in carbon capture. That's the opportunity we have in small modular reactors.

01:53:52.660 That's the opportunity we have in hundreds and beyond. This country could be a clean energy

01:53:57.060 superpower. My government will help deliver. And that is time for this segment. Gentlemen,

01:54:01.020 Let us go to our final theme, which is called Leading in a Crisis.

01:54:08.380 Canadians know how to weather a storm.

01:54:10.340 Canadians know how to get through a difficult time.

01:54:12.260 If, at the end of the day, we end up with the balance of power,

01:54:16.460 Quebec is safer than it could be in any other scenario.

01:54:19.960 Now is not a time for weakness.

01:54:21.940 Now is the time to take back control.

01:54:24.380 Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves.

01:54:27.080 okay leading in a crisis is a pretty broad theme that allows us to explore many different avenues

01:54:34.180 here so let's get to it mr carney you get the first question this time we haven't balanced

01:54:38.560 a budget in this country in 17 years and 10 of those years were under your party you have pledged

01:54:44.060 to get us to a balanced budget in three years question is how so um let me let me put this in

01:54:52.400 the context of leading in a crisis, which is in a crisis, you've got to plan for the worst.

01:54:57.200 Worst is that the U.S. actually does want to take us over. Secondly, you've got to have a plan,

01:55:01.640 a plan to build, and I'll include a fiscal plan, and I will get to that in a second.

01:55:05.160 The third thing is you need to respond in a crisis with overwhelming force. You need to think big.

01:55:11.160 You need to move rapidly. The things we've been discussing today are a subset of what we

01:55:16.560 can and should do as a nation, and we can deliver. And government can play a role,

01:55:22.440 but its role has to be catalytic. And so our approach is that we will slow the rate of

01:55:28.660 spending. It's been growing at 9% a year, operational spending, program spending,

01:55:32.880 away from transfers, away from transfers, 9% a year. We'll slow that to 2%. We will focus

01:55:38.680 on a small amount of capital spending by the federal government in order to drive enormous

01:55:45.340 private investment up to half a trillion dollars by five years. Thank you, Mr. Carney. Ukraine

01:55:51.480 surely constitutes a crisis, leading in a time of crisis. Mr. Polly, I have a question for you.

01:55:57.720 If the United States withholds support from Ukraine going forward, do you believe Canada

01:56:02.060 should commit more to assist? I believe we should continue to support Ukraine. Our party supported

01:56:08.220 donating missiles that the Canadian military was decommissioning. We supported funds and other

01:56:15.860 armaments to back the Ukrainians in the defense of their sovereignty. We also need to rebuild

01:56:21.240 our own Canadian military because the Russians want to make incursions into our waters.

01:56:27.160 We'll be buying four massive Arctic icebreakers. I'll be opening the first Arctic base since the

01:56:34.760 Cold War in Canada, CFB Iqaluit. We're going to double the size of the Arctic Rangers and fill

01:56:40.720 the vacancies in our Canadian armed forces. We need a change to rebuild our military,

01:56:46.300 which has been so disintegrated under the cuts and the mismanagement of the last 10 years. But

01:56:52.980 we can have a change because we have the best soldiers, sailors and airmen in the world,

01:56:57.960 and they will have full backing for my government if you give me the honor of becoming prime

01:57:02.960 minister i may come back to that one in the open forum because i'm not sure we got an answer about

01:57:07.040 ukraine on that one but okay well going on mr blanchet the answer was yes we'll get more details

01:57:14.260 perhaps as we go forward mr blanchet given the u.s trade war should any talk of a referendum on

01:57:19.820 quebec independence be put on pause that one is easy it will happen only after the negotiation 0.93

01:57:26.460 is over and that's a good thing. I want to say I support the idea we must help Ukraine but we also

01:57:33.820 must help the civilians of Gaza and we must destroy Hamas which is a terrorist organization.

01:57:41.480 You know what? I don't want to be the leader of Canada. You will understand that. I don't want

01:57:46.680 to be prime minister but I can offer to be a partner, a responsible partner, a collaborative

01:57:52.980 partner. If Quebec is respected in its differences in its aluminum industry and lumberwood industry

01:58:01.340 and culture and French language and values of secularity of the state, which is the price to

01:58:07.520 be paid in order to have real equality, then if we are respected, we will be a partner and then

01:58:14.940 even Canada will be stronger in its negotiation against Donald Trump. This is what I am offering.

01:58:22.380 respect us. Mr. Singh, I watched last night's debate. You seem very eager to talk about

01:58:28.660 health care, so let's talk a little more health care right now. You have made many promises on

01:58:33.640 health care. If a province says to you, we'll take your money for health care, but not your

01:58:39.980 conditions on how to spend it, what do you do? We've got to negotiate. We can't be giving away

01:58:45.480 money without clear conditions. We're in a health care crisis right now, a crisis that is hurting

01:58:52.000 people across this country. People are waiting desperately in line in emergency rooms for hours

01:58:58.660 and hours. Seniors are waiting for years and years to get the care that they need for surgeries

01:59:05.080 that would remove pain or help them deal with mobility issues. We're in a serious crisis.

01:59:10.740 Healthcare workers are burnt out. They are overstretched. And what we're seeing is more

01:59:16.140 and more privatization, and that is hurting our public universal healthcare system. So we've got

01:59:20.840 to fight back against it. We cannot allow our public money to go to a for-profit private clinic

01:59:27.480 lining the pockets of a rich CEO or investors instead of going towards care. We need to make

01:59:33.060 sure that we are investing in solutions where care gets to people not profiting those at the

01:59:39.060 very top. And so that's my commitment. I'm going to fight to make sure we defend our health care

01:59:42.560 against the threats of Americanization and privacy. Okay, we now go to open forum debate

01:59:47.020 And perhaps, Mr. Polyev, you get the first word here.

01:59:49.240 This might be a good time to put a little more flesh on the bone of what you think Canada could do for Ukraine if the U.S. backs out.

01:59:55.260 Yes, and my answer is that we should continue to support Ukraine.

01:59:58.700 We don't need to follow the Americans in everything they do. 1.00

02:00:01.080 When they're wrong, then we will stand on our own and with other allies.

02:00:05.380 And with respect to Ukraine, that, of course, includes support with intelligence, equipment, armaments.

02:00:12.940 But it also includes defunding Putin.

02:00:15.600 Right now, Vladimir Putin has a monopoly on the European energy market because, frankly, the Liberals blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the Atlantic coast.

02:00:27.320 They blocked multiple projects.

02:00:29.060 I would rapidly approve those projects on national security grounds so that we can actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European dependence on Putin, defund the war, and turn dollars for dictators back into paychecks for our people.

02:00:48.560 Mr. Carney, you wanted to add.

02:00:49.800 Well, I want to go to the situation in Ukraine because it's very important.

02:00:53.360 And we've been a steadfast, Canada has been a steadfast ally, and Canadians have stepped up welcoming Ukrainians into their homes and supporting them in other ways.

02:01:02.740 You know, in my first month as Prime Minister, we joined the Coalition of the Willing to support Ukraine as the U.S. Step Back. 0.73

02:01:09.940 So led by France, the United Kingdom, with Ukraine number, European nations, Australia, ourselves, New Zealand.

02:01:16.500 So that's an example of how the new world is going to be.

02:01:20.880 Canada participating in these areas and helping.

02:01:23.800 It also means open trade.

02:01:25.340 Mr. Poliev voted against free trade agreement with Ukraine.

02:01:29.460 It means aid for Ukraine.

02:01:30.900 Mr. Poliev wants to cut foreign aid, including for Ukraine, or not.

02:01:35.020 He didn't mention support for aid for Ukraine.

02:01:37.400 We have to stand by them.

02:01:39.600 We have to be there, and this government has been.

02:01:41.420 Mr. Tseng.

02:01:41.940 New Democrats absolutely support standing with Ukraine, and we'll continue to do that.

02:01:45.720 But I appreciate the opportunity in talking about leadership in crisis, talk about many of the crises we're up against.

02:01:52.300 And one of the crises we're up against in our country with the threat of Donald Trump, with the threat of the trade war and with the privatization and Americanization of our health care system is the health care system.

02:02:03.520 And what we have learned today, you know, Mr. Carney mentioned slowing operation spending.

02:02:07.840 That's a cut to services.

02:02:09.540 He said his plan, he has a plan to balance the operating budget within three years.

02:02:14.240 that's going to require massive cuts to spending. We calculated that at $43 billion in cuts.

02:02:20.000 In fact, Rosemary Barton, when he was on the show on February 16th, he said it would cut spending.

02:02:24.960 He said it would be in operations. He defined it as transfers in health. And finally,

02:02:30.000 longtime Liberal and former House leader Karina Gould said that Mr. Carney's plans would mean

02:02:35.780 massive cuts. That's the only way to achieve it. So, Mr. Carney, do you think it is leadership

02:02:41.180 to cut health care at a time when it is in crisis.

02:02:44.740 I think it is wrong.

02:02:45.580 We can't do that.

02:02:47.520 We will not cut transfers for health care.

02:02:50.020 We will not cut health care spending full stop.

02:02:52.580 We'll have a detail, if I may.

02:02:53.620 Who do we believe, Mr. Carney, today,

02:02:55.880 or the one he spoke on Rosemary Barton's show on February 16th,

02:02:59.340 the one that repeated again that he would cut spending?

02:03:01.700 Who do we believe?

02:03:02.460 If I may, consistently said we'll preserve all transfers

02:03:05.680 to the provinces, including the increases.

02:03:08.400 We will preserve all the transfers to individuals,

02:03:10.700 include i won't detail them all but there so we're looking at addressing an operational spend which

02:03:16.540 is about 150 billion dollars um we will address that we will make it more efficient and we will

02:03:21.580 do it in three years and we'll balance that budget i am six minutes behind mr carney so i will speak

02:03:27.740 a little bit longer first i will support any initiative which will which will bring canada

02:03:34.380 aligned with europe and nato in order to be stronger and facing new threats i believe that

02:03:41.180 two percent won't be enough i'm not more in favor of war than anybody else but we have responsibilities

02:03:48.700 and our main ally is removing himself from the stage so we have to step up we have to do our

02:03:56.380 part i want to go somewhere else entirely however i want to ask mr carney if we're speaking about

02:04:03.100 leadership here if quebec and canada were to say you are not being given a majority government

02:04:13.020 there will be more conservatives than you would like maybe more new democrats than you would like

02:04:18.300 and more people from the block than you would like will you accept because you don't seem to

02:04:24.380 very to be very eager about that to deal with people which basically are more experienced than

02:04:33.660 you are as legitimate as you are and would be more representative altogether than you would be

02:04:40.860 being alone in your little kingdom and i want also to to propose to you all guys that one week after

02:04:50.140 the election one week after the election we all meet whatever the results and we start dealing

02:04:55.340 with this crisis together because this is what people either they are from alberta or québec or

02:05:01.180 wherever this is what people expect from mr is that something you could get behind i i look forward

02:05:07.180 to uh meeting with uh everyone uh you're welcome to come steve if you'd like um uh a week after

02:05:13.020 christ but also but i'll say that's not very respectful but i'm but that's not very respectful

02:05:17.500 i'm coming okay i will i come to the yeah okay i'll come to the court but uh in a crisis yes

02:05:28.140 you need a team uh and you need to bring uh the country along with you so what i did in the first

02:05:36.220 week was to bring the premiers together meet with all the indigenous leaders uh and move forward in

02:05:44.460 that context now the question is who's going to lead out of this whoever leads out of this if i

02:05:50.940 may mr blanche whoever whoever yes thank you whoever's going to lead out of this is going to

02:05:57.660 need to work with all the provinces work with labor work with indigenous leaders work with

02:06:03.500 all canadians to bring them forward in a united front and one of and make this last point one of

02:06:09.260 the things that has happened which is a credit to those people at home is that canadians are

02:06:15.180 coming together and it's our responsibility to meet the strength of canadian unity i have one

02:06:22.300 small point to make you will be elected if you are elected in the parliament where there are other

02:06:28.460 leaders i don't know if he called you or mr whatever i don't know if he called you but

02:06:32.780 before yesterday you have not spoken to me once even if i proposed it so many times but you say

02:06:39.980 i speak to provinces leaders you're not elected in provinces you are in the parliament where

02:06:45.500 people are to make decisions which might not always suit you but this is democracy too much

02:06:52.940 about i'm going to jump in here because i'm noticing what the clock is saying and you

02:06:57.020 You brought up Gaza earlier, and I think our audience would be interested in hearing your views on the other major international crisis facing the world right now.

02:07:05.200 Before we get that, just to finish up on the health care, I just want to speak to health care workers right now who are deeply worried about the status of our health care system,

02:07:13.000 to Canadians who believe and love our universal public health care system, to patients who are stressed out.

02:07:18.580 If you're worried about which Mr. Carney to believe, the one today or the one who spoke on three B's shows and said he would cut,

02:07:25.160 Go for New Democrats, and we will fight to defend our health care.

02:07:28.560 I think your supporters would really like to hear what you have to say about this question,

02:07:32.040 and we have less than five minutes for it here.

02:07:34.440 What role should Canada play in the other major international crisis in this world,

02:07:38.840 in the Middle East and the war in Gaza?

02:07:41.620 Pierre Polyev, would you start us off on that?

02:07:43.340 What role can Canada play?

02:07:45.760 Well, first of all, we must condemn Hamas, 0.98

02:07:48.180 and more importantly, the terror sponsors in Tehran who initiated the attacks,

02:07:53.860 the horrific attacks of October 7th. We need to defeat the terrorists so that all the peoples of

02:08:03.080 the world can live in peace and defend the right of, yes, Palestinians to have their own lives

02:08:09.540 free from the oppression of Hamas, dictators, and Iranian intervention, while Israel has the ability 0.95

02:08:15.500 to live in freedom and peace. But I also want to say we need to get back to the Canadian tradition,

02:08:20.080 which is that when people come to this country, they leave foreign conflicts behind.

02:08:25.440 The rampaging riots targeting Jewish communities is utterly unacceptable,

02:08:29.740 and it points to the growing chaos that we see on our streets after 10 years of incredibly irresponsible liberal policies,

02:08:38.260 of weak borders, of dividing people into groups, of saying one thing to one group and the opposite to another, dividing and conquering.

02:08:46.060 We must end that division and unite our people so that everyone feels safe and that when

02:08:51.900 we come here, we put our foreign conflicts behind and we put Canada first.

02:08:57.800 People come from countries from around the world and they care deeply about where they

02:09:01.160 come from, and they should be able to do so.

02:09:03.020 That's a part of being in our country, to have that freedom. 0.78

02:09:06.020 Your treatment of Palestinians has been, frankly, disgusting.

02:09:08.740 Your treatment of people who provide care and service for people in Gaza has been disgusting.

02:09:12.820 On top of that, people in Israel and in Palestine deserve to live in peace and security.

02:09:17.480 And Mr. Carney, to date, you've not acknowledged that what's going on in Gaza

02:09:20.560 has now clearly become a genocide.

02:09:22.440 It's important to call things out as they are, and you've not done that.

02:09:25.540 Mr. Carney.

02:09:26.560 We need to work, to go to your question, we need to work with our international partners,

02:09:31.300 maximum pressure, maximum encouragement for an immediate ceasefire.

02:09:34.160 That's the first thing.

02:09:35.400 Encourage the return of all of the hostages.

02:09:37.940 Resumption of humanitarian aid.

02:09:39.380 My government put in place $100 million of humanitarian aid, which is ready to go.

02:09:46.080 With respect to where this ultimately goes, yes, two-state solution, but it has to be a viable and free Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the state of Israel.

02:09:59.160 I will underscore one other thing.

02:10:01.300 Mr. Paliyev rightly mentioned Iran.

02:10:04.480 The Iranian sponsors in this region.

02:10:05.940 We have to be clear-eyed about the fundamental risks of Iran and do everything with our international partners to check it and turn it. 1.00

02:10:15.120 Monsieur Blanchet.

02:10:15.640 If we are to work together, we will have to be consistent.

02:10:21.020 The Jewish community in Quebec and Canada is harassed by a very little minority of radical Islamists.

02:10:30.360 And we don't do so much.

02:10:34.640 The law in Canada says that somebody may invite people to be violent, to propose genocide against another people, if they can be hidden behind a religious motivation.

02:10:51.340 They are in agreement with that.

02:10:53.200 They are in agreement with that.

02:10:54.380 They are in agreement with that.

02:10:55.460 and we say it is a crime to invite people to violence and killing other people and this is

02:11:02.660 what is being done very often in canada and quebec with the approval of the criminal code of canada

02:11:09.940 and we are saying this has to be changed we have to change what we do before we want people elsewhere

02:11:16.820 to change what they do last minute in the segment this is about crises and leadership

02:11:23.460 And one crisis we have is in immigration. Because of this liberal government's commitment to a radical policy called the Century Initiative, which seeks to bring our population up to 100 million people, they have allowed massive overcrowding in our communities that has caused housing shortages, job shortages, and health care shortages.

02:11:43.760 Don't blame immigration for the fault of your government.

02:11:44.560 And if I could.

02:11:45.260 The fact that you did not invest in housing.

02:11:46.060 I didn't interrupt you.

02:11:46.960 I did not interrupt you, sir.

02:11:48.320 I did not interrupt you.

02:11:49.480 Don't blame people.

02:11:50.100 I do not blame you.

02:11:50.920 If I could.

02:11:51.600 Let him finish.

02:11:52.380 I do not blame immigrants. I blame the liberal government, which brought this policy on.

02:11:58.180 And Mr. Carney wants to continue with the Century Initiative. This is crazy. We have to get back to

02:12:03.180 normal levels of immigration, get rid of the fraud in the temporary immigration system,

02:12:09.060 and ensure that the people who come here can arrive in numbers that we can house,

02:12:15.140 employ, and care for. That's how it always was, and that's how we're going to restore it.

02:12:20.000 Thank you, Mr. Polly. That is our time for this segment. Those are our five themes, but we are not done yet. We are entering the next section of our debate tonight, what we're calling the leader's choice, something a little bit different. Each of you will get the chance to ask a question, any question of any other leader. You can then debate the answer, and each one on one will last for three minutes. So, Mr. Singh, you have the first option here. Who do you want to ask your question of?

02:12:48.280 Mr. Carney.

02:12:49.120 Go for it.

02:12:50.000 Mr. Carney, as chair of Brookfield Investments, your company is one of the biggest tax dodgers

02:12:54.640 in Canada. As chair, you approved decisions where Brookfield Investments bought up

02:12:59.280 affordable homes, kicked out the tenants, and jacked up the rates. As prime minister,

02:13:03.840 one of the first things you did was a tax cut that helped out mostly millionaires.

02:13:08.480 And you have a plan to cut services for people. I expect that of Mr. Pierre Polyev

02:13:14.400 and the Conservatives. That's very much a conservative plan. But my concern is that

02:13:18.240 doesn't sound like what people want for a liberal leader so my question to you is mr carney whose

02:13:23.760 side are you really on uh thank you uh thank you very much for that question mr singh uh

02:13:30.800 uh i'm in the side of canadians i'm in this for canadians i work for canadians

02:13:35.920 um but you know i had to show that though no i look well i'm track record of public service

02:13:40.960 uh for this country uh go back to uh something uh mr mr blanchet uh referenced earlier

02:13:48.240 which is have I resolved any crisis we're in Quebec if you ask anyone in the

02:13:53.620 finance industry if ask anyone in government in Quebec in 2008 they'll

02:13:57.840 know that I resolved the biggest crisis in Quebec yeah you won't have fun

02:14:02.520 but this is for these two yes I I have had a long career in the private sector

02:14:13.500 I'm proud of that career. I've always acted with integrity. And it brings me with experience that

02:14:20.640 I can apply in this moment of crisis. And you certainly have served the country.

02:14:25.540 But the problem is, who have you served? You've served to benefit those at the very top.

02:14:30.020 You jacked up the price of homes for people living in affordable homes as a strategic decision. You

02:14:34.960 dodged taxes. And then your decisions as prime ministers show you're not prioritizing people,

02:14:40.260 or you're pricing big business to billionaires so the uh what what have we done uh as a government

02:14:46.080 directly so we've gone directly to workers using all of our proceeds from uh the tariffs committing

02:14:51.840 all of them for workers the workers most affected unlike others unlike others who

02:14:57.760 plan to use them amount uh use them to uh to cut taxes um we uh are focused on is not high enough

02:15:05.380 vote you have to accept that right now there will be additional programs i i am fully confident that

02:15:10.920 the next government whatever government is formed certainly if i'm in the next government we will

02:15:15.140 make additional programs but you didn't do that well i can't i you couldn't or you couldn't uh

02:15:20.640 given that we're an election could have increased may i may i make a core point here if i may which

02:15:26.080 is that when you think about workers here today and people watching at home particularly younger

02:15:30.640 people. There is an enormous opportunity in the trades, in the skilled trades. We are going to

02:15:36.100 build this country in a way that has not been seen before. We are literally talking about hundreds

02:15:40.460 of thousands, not jobs, but careers in the trade. And that's why we're investing in apprenticeships

02:15:45.660 and mid-careers. But I think people are worried, Mr. Carney, if New Democrats aren't there to

02:15:48.600 force liberals to make sure they remember about people, they will forget. Gentlemen, that is time.

02:15:52.320 Thank you for that. Mr. Blanchet, you have the next question. To whom would you like to put it?

02:15:55.800 mr carney you avoided quite quite i would say skillfully the questions of mr mr singh

02:16:06.200 but first let me correct something in 2008 not so much by your decision

02:16:15.480 10 billions of dollars were given to car industry in ontario while 60 millions not billions of

02:16:24.040 dollars were lent to lumberwood throughout the whole of canada i don't believe that's the right

02:16:33.480 way to manage a crisis since you did not recoup the money from the car industry then you have

02:16:39.560 been the manager of brookfield it's supposed to be a green investment fund but we now know that

02:16:47.960 50 of the investments of brookfield is in fossil fuel it's not so green you seem to want to support

02:17:00.760 oil and gas industry that's interesting you want to support prefab housing and

02:17:07.560 it's also in the investments of brookfield but not in canada you want to support nuclear power

02:17:16.920 smaller uh reactors which are more dangerous by the way and brookfield has investments in westing

02:17:25.320 house you have it in the money of brookfield in bermuda and cayman allen 30 billions of dollars

02:17:34.200 billions of dollars lost for canada you are having your taxes being paid by families workers

02:17:42.200 elders in canada and quebec instead of paying your own taxes so i want to know will you before

02:17:48.280 the election reveal all the details of your assets as mr uh mr singh has done as mr poiliev has done

02:17:57.080 and as i have done we have a right under those circumstances let's let him answer uh well the

02:18:03.160 first thing is um i want to say a word about uh i'll say a word about broken um you know this

02:18:10.760 is a Canadian success story. It is the largest infrastructure investor and developer in the world.

02:18:16.360 It is one of the largest, if not the largest, developer of renewable power in the world. And

02:18:22.280 who benefits from that? That's Canadian pensioners, that's Quebec pensioners, that is teachers,

02:18:27.880 that are firefighters. It is a series of people, including individuals, including individuals on

02:18:35.000 this stage benefit from that now always acted with integrity serve the shareholders of brookfield

02:18:43.560 when i was there i have left that i have followed all the rules well in advance

02:18:53.320 and we all did and working for the people of canada what do you own

02:18:59.480 that is time what you own we're moving on to mr poliev now who has his opportunity to ask the

02:19:04.280 the question of whomever he'd like here and that will be mr carney but if i could look him in by

02:19:10.520 starting by setting the stage the choice in this election is after a lost liberal decade of rising

02:19:17.880 cost and crime and a falling economy under america's thumb do we want to elect them to a

02:19:24.560 fourth term or do we want to change change that you can afford food and homes change that you can

02:19:31.900 be safe on your street and your change so that your paycheck grows faster than your cost of living

02:19:37.900 change with a new conservative government because mr carney is not change mr carney in 2020 it was

02:19:44.300 recorded you began advising justin trudeau it's still on the liberal party website today that you

02:19:49.660 are justin trudeau's economic advisor they might want to update your website on that

02:19:53.500 On June 3rd of 2021, you said that inflation would be a sign of economic progress.

02:20:04.980 And you advised governments, including Justin Trudeau's, your liberal government, to print money, which led to the worst inflation crisis in a generation.

02:20:17.500 Now, that means that mothers went to bed with empty fridges and empty bank accounts, worried how they'd feed their kids, that seniors worried they'd be evicted from their homes, that young people believed they'd never be able to own a home in the first place.

02:20:33.440 Now, in retrospect, you look back on the liberal decisions that you advised Justin Trudeau to take.

02:20:39.680 Will you look the camera in the eye and apologize to the many people who suffered as a result of the inflationary policies that you advised Justin Trudeau to implement?

02:20:50.680 You know, it's...

02:20:52.540 I said earlier, but I'm going to say it again.

02:20:56.560 I know you want to be running against Justin Trudeau.

02:20:59.360 Justin Trudeau isn't here.

02:21:01.060 Are you denying you as an economic advisor?

02:21:03.480 I did not provide any of that advice.

02:21:06.780 I did not provide any of that advice.

02:21:08.440 It's on the Liberal Party website.

02:21:10.220 Are you accusing your Liberal Party of lying about your role?

02:21:13.580 Because it says today you can go to the Liberal Party website now,

02:21:16.420 and it says that you are Justin Trudeau's economic advisor.

02:21:18.940 The way you judge someone, in my view, is how they act.

02:21:24.200 What they do when they have responsibility.

02:21:26.020 Twice I was a central bank governor.

02:21:27.560 And in both cases, if I may, if I may, in both cases, when I was responsible for inflation, inflation was less than 2%.

02:21:36.500 I'll add that when I was here responsible for the Bank of Canada, inflation was less than 2%.

02:21:42.120 Our dollar was at parity.

02:21:44.140 That is the kind of success that I can deliver for this country coming down this crisis.

02:21:48.660 And what is at stake here?

02:21:50.220 You were the economic advisor to Justin Trudeau that gave us the worst inflation that we have had in a generation.

02:21:57.560 Because the policies that you implemented and those of the MPs that are still in your ministry.

02:22:03.300 To the fellow Canadians, the last 10 years has been about the Liberals.

02:22:08.140 The next 10 years should be about you.

02:22:10.720 And that's time.

02:22:12.360 Mr. Carney, the good news is the next question is yours.

02:22:15.880 Well, I'm going to ask myself a question.

02:22:20.200 Actually, I'm going to ask a question which has been troubling me.

02:22:24.940 um and uh it's troubled me because you know we are in a uh a very dangerous and divided world

02:22:32.780 who is it to i'm gonna ask the question mr polio why not um we're in a dangerous and divided world

02:22:39.340 we talked earlier about the challenges in the middle east the threats from iran uh threats

02:22:45.820 from russia russia's aggression in ukraine uh we have uh the threat from china which i raised 0.51

02:22:53.620 We have the United States, which is fundamentally changing its security relationships, its commercial relationships.

02:23:00.600 We have all this.

02:23:02.100 And in the context of that, everyone on this stage, Mr. Blanchet, Mr. Singh, myself, we have our top secret security clearance.

02:23:12.080 We have our top secret security clearance.

02:23:13.660 I got mine within three weeks.

02:23:15.660 It wasn't hard, but I felt it was important that I had it so I could be in a position to be informed about that dangerous world and take decisions out.

02:23:23.580 And Mr. Polyev, it is now 950 days, if my numbers are right, since you've had the opportunity to get your top secret security clearance and you've refused.

02:23:36.620 Why?

02:23:37.940 Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister.

02:23:42.480 I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that.

02:23:45.660 But when the government made this recent offer, they said that if I got the secret security clearance briefings, that I would be gay under the security law, and I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference.

02:24:01.740 Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution.

02:24:16.540 And that was not something I would be allowed to do.

02:24:18.520 Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition, he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me.

02:24:31.880 And it's good that I made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely about things like the case where one of your candidates, sir, actually said that he wanted to send a political opponent to China under a bounty threatening his life or imprisonment, and you refused to get rid of him.

02:24:51.260 Now, it might have something to do with the fact that you went to China not long ago to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company.

02:24:57.360 But the reality is you refused to stand up for a Canadian who was being threatened by a foreign government.

02:25:03.580 And I was able to speak freely on that matter because I refused the gag order that the Liberal government attempted to impose on me.

02:25:10.940 Well, you know, there's a couple of interesting things.

02:25:13.000 I think people at home have seen a robust debate here and it's been a robust campaign.

02:25:18.400 And it has not stopped Mr. Blashek or Mr. Singh at times during his campaign by making challenges with respect to these issues.

02:25:25.980 So one can address it.

02:25:27.760 I will observe, as someone with a top-secret security clearance, that China is not the only country that is accused of foreign interference.

02:25:35.780 And gentlemen, that is time for the segment.

02:25:38.180 That's our time.

02:25:38.920 Now, closing statements are still a few minutes down the road.

02:25:41.760 So we have a little bit of time for some quick hit Q&As for each of you right now.

02:25:46.120 short questions 45 seconds please on the answers and we're going to go left to right as i look at

02:25:51.720 you right now mr poliev you get the first question to the best of my knowledge you have not offered

02:25:56.140 a hard timeline as the other parties have to meet canada's nato commitment of two percent

02:26:01.540 spending on defense when would you hit that target my aim will be to 2030 that said when we renegotiate

02:26:10.360 our trade deal with the u.s i know it's their priority to see us increase our military budget

02:26:15.760 One of the things I will say to the Americans is the more free trade, tariff free free trade we have, the faster we can rebuild our military in Canada and reassert our sovereignty.

02:26:27.960 And we will use that money to have heavy icebreakers in the north, beside an aircraft, fighter jets, a new base in the north, double the Arctic Rangers, fill the vacancies in the armed forces and rebuild the warrior spirit that characterized our military since the birth of our country.

02:26:45.760 we will rebuild our forces, and we will stand behind our veterans.

02:26:50.620 Thank you, Mr. Polyev.

02:26:51.760 Mr. Carney, your question, you have cut both the consumer carbon tax

02:26:55.640 and the capital gains tax increase that you inherited from your predecessor.

02:26:59.600 Is that an admission that the Liberals made life less affordable for Canadians?

02:27:04.020 I think the, let me give you the rationale behind both of those changes.

02:27:09.640 First, with respect to the consumer carbon tax,

02:27:12.520 in effect, it'd become too divisive for Canadians. Canadians received rebates. On the whole,

02:27:22.620 they received more than the tax actually was. But some had represented that it was a tax without a

02:27:29.880 rebate. It became divisive. It didn't serve its purpose. It made a relatively modest contribution

02:27:35.160 to overall climate goals. I got rid of it, first act, made Canadians whole. Secondly,

02:27:39.800 but with respect to the capital gains taxes come up again i'll be quick this is a fundamental issue

02:27:45.000 we need to build this country builders innovators entrepreneurs need to be rewarded that's why i

02:27:50.520 brought it back and that's time thank you mr singh would you change the existing cap on immigration

02:27:55.720 i said that the level of immigration first of all we need immigration it's fundamentally

02:27:59.400 important to our country and we speak to any small business owner you speak to people here

02:28:04.360 in quebec speak to farmers it's fundamentally important a couple things though we know we need

02:28:09.480 to be able to set the amount of folks that we welcome to our country at a level that it meets

02:28:14.360 our needs so i would ensure that we've got an expert panel that makes that determination based

02:28:18.520 on our economic needs we also know that we should we should be very clear that the lack of investment

02:28:25.800 from liberals and conservatives resulted in the fact that we have a shortage in housing housing

02:28:29.560 that's something that we've got to fix i should also point out um that that if you are worried

02:28:34.760 about the cuts being proposed by liberals and conservatives vote for new democrats we'll fight

02:28:38.520 back to protect uh canadians and make sure we've got the right immigration levels thank you mr

02:28:42.600 singh that's time mr blanchet quebec i believe is now the only province with a carbon tax do you

02:28:48.360 think that's fair it's not entirely true it's not a tax what car what quebec has is a system by which

02:28:55.400 we invite big emitter big emission companies i don't know how to translate that uh to reduce

02:29:02.920 their emissions if they do not then they have to pay it goes into a fund which is invested

02:29:09.400 then in reducing emissions our partner is california which makes this a huge deal about

02:29:16.600 reducing emissions this is what we do this is to be compared to what europe does and by the way

02:29:23.560 europe would impose tariffs on canadian oil if it ever got there uh we're quite proud of that

02:29:30.920 and we have to be responsible because this is much less expensive than doing nothing climate

02:29:37.160 that's time we're going to do another set of quick hits here left to right again and 30 seconds this 0.98

02:29:43.080 time monsieur poliev you've previously promised to defund the cbc as one of your very first acts

02:29:48.600 as prime minister is that still the plan yes cbc will continue to operate as a self-funded canadian

02:29:56.040 owned and controlled non-for-profit that raises money like other media organizations through

02:30:01.800 sponsorships subscriptions advertising licensing fees and countless other things that will ensure

02:30:07.880 canadians who still want to listen and view its content will be able to do so and at the same time

02:30:14.920 will allow freedom of the press so that everybody has their voice heard and they can make their own

02:30:19.240 decisions thank you mr carney next question to you 30 seconds would you remove some of canada's

02:30:24.520 legal tax avoidance loopholes that companies that you have worked for have used look i think that

02:30:32.920 what we need to do is undertake a comprehensive review of our corporate tax system and do that

02:30:40.280 on the basis of the right principles we've got to have fairness transparency sustainability

02:30:48.440 and competitiveness so we need a tax system a corporate tax system including being part of a

02:30:57.620 international minimum corporate tax through the OECD and that is time Mr Singh the question for

02:31:02.820 you is if you hold the balance of power after this election is over what would your price be

02:31:07.920 to support another party we've laid out our priorities we want to make sure we bring down

02:31:11.800 the cost of groceries those homes that people can afford I can also tell you that we would defend

02:31:16.500 CBC, unlike Mr. Polioff, who wants to cut it. And we would close tax loopholes and offshore tax

02:31:22.540 evens, even though Mr. Carney didn't respond to that. And selling stocks and shares to make

02:31:27.240 profits and then having less taxes on that is not hard work. And so those aren't the job creators.

02:31:32.600 The people who are job creators are the hardworking men and women that contribute to our economy.

02:31:37.180 Thank you, Mr. Singh. Mr. Blasheh, kind of the same question. If you hold the balance of power

02:31:41.220 in the next minority parliament, if it is that, what would be the price of your support?

02:31:45.040 respect for Quebec. That's quite easy. I don't want to go against what Canada wants to do for

02:31:52.400 itself, but I don't want Canada to impose an economic vision or a multiculturalist vision

02:31:58.040 on Quebec, which is different in terms of language and values and security and equality between

02:32:03.820 people. So I want to be a partner. And if Quebec is respected, Canada has nothing to fear from the

02:32:11.580 Bloc, because we vote for what is good for Quebec, it only has to be good for Quebec. 0.85

02:32:16.320 Thank you, Monsieur Blanchet.

02:32:17.400 Now, we have one last question for each of you.

02:32:20.400 We'll go right to left this time as I look at you.

02:32:22.680 It's a bit of an offbeat question.

02:32:24.000 Monsieur Blanchet, what is your biggest regret during this campaign?

02:32:29.640 That's a very good question.

02:32:31.180 I'm not very fond of regrets, I would say.

02:32:33.760 But we should have started sooner to see that we had to create the environment for a deal in which Quebec and Canada would be, one bigger than the other, but partners to be stronger in front of Mr. Trump and showing that maybe nobody here is the partner to let go alone without being surveyed or controlled or supervised by a Quebec voice.

02:32:59.620 Thank you, Mr. Blanchet.

02:33:01.180 Same question, Mr. Singh, your biggest regret of this campaign?

02:33:04.520 Not being able to meet as many people as I would love to have.

02:33:06.960 It's a short campaign, and so I can't get to as many communities

02:33:09.760 that I wanted to.

02:33:10.860 I think one of the honours of my job is to be able to meet people

02:33:14.160 and to hear their stories, and then to take their stories

02:33:16.460 and concerns and bring them to Ottawa and to fight for those people.

02:33:19.920 And so I want you to know, even though I haven't made it

02:33:21.520 to your community, I'm going to fight like hell to make sure

02:33:24.060 that you are represented, that we never let any government

02:33:27.280 cut our health care, that we defend

02:33:29.620 .

02:33:59.620 .

02:34:29.620 we would go in and mr singh you get the first word on a closing statement certainly thank you

02:34:54.580 because you voted for new democrats we were able to build this country that we love

02:34:59.220 universal health care and pensions because you voted for us because you voted for new democrats

02:35:03.620 we were able to fight to bring in dental care pharma care and child care because you voted for

02:35:09.780 us because you supported us you have the power with your vote to send more new democrats to

02:35:15.380 ottawa to continue that fight to make sure that no government cuts the things that we hold dear

02:35:20.420 like our health care to show that we can do everything possible to make life more affordable

02:35:24.900 by making it more affordable to buy your groceries and to get a home i'm asking for your support in

02:35:30.900 this election so that i can continue to fight to defend the things that make canada canada the

02:35:36.660 things that we hold dear the things that make us proud to be canadian thank you mr singh mr

02:35:41.620 cardi we are facing the biggest crisis of our lifetimes donald trump is trying to fundamentally

02:35:49.380 change the world economy the trading system but really what he's trying to do to canada he's

02:35:54.500 trying to break us so the u.s can own us they want our land they want our resources they want our 0.98

02:36:00.580 water they want our country we're all going to stand up against donald trump i'm ready i've

02:36:08.500 managed crises over the years i've built strong economies we will fight back with counter-terrorists

02:36:14.980 we will protect our workers and those businesses and we will build the strongest economy we will

02:36:20.580 build canada strong i'm asking for your support the honor of doing so thank you thank you mr

02:36:27.700 carney mr blanchet for 260 years and a little bit more the français devenu the canadien devenu

02:36:39.300 the canadien français devenu the quebecois you have tried to have them become canadians like all

02:36:48.500 canadians but to no avail we are different so let's be economic partners let's have a voice

02:36:57.700 chosen by and for quebecers and ally for canadians as equals in front of mr trump

02:37:08.740 only in canada could someone start where i began and get to the stage i was born to a single mother

02:37:15.940 and adopted by school teachers who raised me to believe in the incredible canadian promise that

02:37:21.700 anyone who worked hard could do anything that that promise feels broken today many of you

02:37:30.100 worried about paying your bills feeding your families wherever even owning a home you're

02:37:35.460 worried your kids are in danger but i'm here to say it doesn't have to be this way let's change

02:37:41.940 we can restore the canadian promise so that hard work gets you a beautiful house on a safe street

02:37:48.180 under a proud flag we can do it with hope for a change gentlemen thank you for a very spirited

02:37:57.220 debate tonight two quick points before we go number one one of you celebrated your 60th birthday

02:38:03.380 yesterday on this stage yves francois blanchet bon anniversaire

02:38:06.980 Thank you very much.

02:38:36.980 that deadline is april 22nd make sure to check your voter card for details or contact elections

02:38:42.660 canada this is your democratic right and we hope you use it thank you so much for

02:38:48.980 being with us tonight i'm steve pagan good night from montreal thank you and there you have it the

02:38:59.060 english language debate of this 45th general election in canada coming to an end as you see

02:39:04.420 there the leaders of the four major parties gathering in montreal's maison de radio canada

02:39:13.140 all right

02:39:16.100 all right well here let's uh get rid of those guys get rid of those guys all right

02:39:23.300 ah this is much prettier there's erica and me all right uh well uh we've just wrapped up the

02:39:32.420 the English party leaders' federal debate.

02:39:37.140 There's a lot to unpack.

02:39:39.780 Also, there's a ton happening behind the scenes

02:39:42.880 none of you guys know about.

02:39:45.740 Holy sh... 1.00

02:39:47.600 I'm going to say shit. 1.00

02:39:48.720 Scheisse. 1.00

02:39:49.840 Just count as a German. 0.98

02:39:52.560 There's a lot going on behind the scenes.

02:39:55.160 But I'm going to save that.

02:39:56.600 Some of the information is privy.

02:39:57.700 I want to make sure we can talk about it

02:39:59.140 when we talk about it.

02:40:01.520 um erica do you know what i'm talking about no but i think you should be texting me these things

02:40:06.400 so that i'm okay i'm gonna do that i got i got i got my computer here okay um so the uh the four

02:40:14.400 leaders faced off i mean as we're talking about before the debate started uh the french debates

02:40:20.160 have really ever since the advent of the bloc québécois uh become the meme before that

02:40:25.600 But they they're the Quebec debate. Quebec gets its own debate. I like Alberta and Saskatchewan had our own debates, B.C., Manitoba, etc. Prince Albert Island can screw off. But yeah, I'd love to have one too, actually.

02:40:41.660 Anyway, the, it was, I mean, the bloc leader played, I think, actually an outsized role for an English language debaker.

02:40:54.800 I mean, he opened up saying, I don't like to speak English when I'm in Montreal.

02:40:58.260 That's a reference to the Quebec government's efforts to stamp out the English of, was it, hello, bonjour? 0.99

02:41:05.540 You're not supposed to say both, just bonjour.

02:41:08.940 Guten tag.

02:41:10.400 But he played, I think, actually a pretty big role in the debate.

02:41:17.180 Nigel, I think we were chatting side to side here while it was going on.

02:41:20.840 No knockout blows, though, right?

02:41:22.720 No, no knockout.

02:41:23.700 There was no knockout blow.

02:41:25.340 Everyone always looks for the knockout blow.

02:41:26.980 It's been 40 years since there was a knockout blow,

02:41:29.240 which everybody could see that the guy was on the floor,

02:41:32.320 poor old John Turner.

02:41:33.400 But, you know, I found that quite often if you're paying attention, and this is the problem with

02:41:43.560 debates, I got a sense that a lot of people don't really pay attention as long as they're, you know,

02:41:49.640 not really watching. But if you're paying attention, there are a couple of places where

02:41:54.280 things became very clear. For example, there was one segment where there was a discussion of Pierre

02:42:00.520 Polier's promise that multiple murderers would go in jail for life. They come out in a box. He's

02:42:07.480 said that. And, oh, well, you know, the liberal, the NDP, they're all very concerned about

02:42:14.680 the charter of rights and the protection of freedoms. They're missing the point. They miss

02:42:20.280 the point that when you are talking about multiple murderers, these people have already extinguished

02:42:26.360 the rights of the people they kill and it doesn't oh well we got sorry uh i'm told i i may have had

02:42:34.120 some bad information that the leaders are taking the stage at the scrum no no it's broke it's out

02:42:39.400 oh it's out yeah they said for security reasons oh okay i don't mean to interrupt okay so i i can

02:42:46.360 i can break this now um i'm sorry to interrupt um so uh as those who are watching the news cycle

02:42:55.800 of this thing closer than the average person would know. Yesterday, following the French 1.00

02:43:03.480 language or Quebec debate, the leaders take questions in a press scrum from reporters.

02:43:11.000 Previously, the debates commission launched by the Liberal government has tried to ban

02:43:17.200 non-government employed or funded reporters from attending. There were court cases and

02:43:23.240 injunctions against that so the western standard the rebel true north uh the hub other outlets like

02:43:31.300 this can attend so this year the the debates commission did not try to ban them they just

02:43:38.600 let them in but they kind of bungled the organization of it uh it was thought that

02:43:47.160 each organization gets to ask one question. That did not turn out

02:43:51.120 to be true. And Rebel News

02:43:55.180 followed by Juno slash

02:43:59.160 True North, kind of the same thing, whatever that is, and

02:44:02.860 Counter Signal, and then the Hub, stacked

02:44:06.860 the microphones, for lack of a better term. And I'm not meaning that figuratively, but they stacked the microphones.

02:44:11.760 And, you know, if the debate would have been held in Calgary,

02:44:14.480 you want to believe me i would stack the microphones with western standard reporters

02:44:19.160 i would want as many western standard questions as possible uh we had a reporter there uh jen

02:44:23.900 hodgson uh who we're going to bring in whenever uh she uh she's available she did not get to ask

02:44:29.500 a question um now this would not normally be an issue because the cbc post media tour star gold

02:44:36.500 mail these le devoir all these laurentian guys they're normally used to getting all the questions

02:44:41.660 what happened here is rebel news got most of the questions and then a fair bit of questions for

02:44:46.420 juno etc and this has precipitated a meltdown in the the mainstream media and uh jeez i i don't

02:44:57.880 know we're not even talking about the debate itself yet i i'm kind of not sure which way to

02:45:01.900 go on this but uh we've got some great clips uh our reporter jen hodgson took behind the scenes

02:45:07.200 in the media room.

02:45:09.060 One of the legacy media reporters from the Hill

02:45:11.200 Times, it's like the ultimate insider baseball

02:45:13.380 Ottawa

02:45:15.500 News, 1.00

02:45:16.300 was just losing his shit, 1.00

02:45:19.140 having a total connection that 1.00

02:45:21.280 this

02:45:23.380 happened. The Rebel got all these questions.

02:45:25.980 And then

02:45:26.780 reporters kind of swarmed

02:45:29.440 Ezra in kind

02:45:31.340 of a scrum. The details

02:45:33.440 are very hazy right now.

02:45:37.200 I've got a picture of Ezra being sat in a room by himself.

02:45:41.260 I don't know if he was detained or if that was for his own safety.

02:45:44.600 He's tweeting now.

02:45:46.240 I was going to say, this has been on Twitter.

02:45:48.780 I thought Derek had something different than this.

02:45:50.780 We're missing it all break on Twitter.

02:45:53.340 So was he detained?

02:45:54.160 It's all on Twitter right now.

02:45:55.700 No?

02:45:57.120 Well, some of the comments from your listeners are saying,

02:46:00.180 like, Vashy said she doesn't even know why it happened.

02:46:02.280 But the fact that they're saying it's a security concern,

02:46:07.200 almost just seems like a farce on its own yeah so uh so they are taking the stage

02:46:14.320 it broke no no don't worry about i was just no scrum no scrum okay so anyway whatever like

02:46:22.240 i want to talk about the actual debate not just this insider baseball stuff too much but um long

02:46:30.140 story short uh there was such a meltdown from the legacy media and also like some of the criticism

02:46:37.020 was that they were asking um making kind of very long preambles in their questions uh

02:46:44.140 i think that is actually fair criticism of some of the questioners uh from the independent

02:46:48.940 conservatives not all of them some of them actually asked just very good very pointed

02:46:53.340 short questions uh so other criticisms criticisms were that the questions weren't related to the

02:47:00.060 debate sometimes true sometimes not but also i mean these debates ignore some pretty big issues

02:47:07.260 guess what we didn't get to talk about immigration tonight maybe there's a little bit can i just 0.97

02:47:10.860 point out that i think the point of freedom of the press is they can ask whatever damn question

02:47:15.020 they want like isn't that the point exactly i mean on debate night it's i mean there's a lot to take

02:47:23.020 in probably should be related to debate but you have the right to ask what you want i think i

02:47:26.620 I think when you're asking the potential prime ministers, like, isn't anything fair game and you can direct them because you're challenging their leadership.

02:47:34.440 So, sure, let's keep it to debate. But wouldn't that be quite a big scope anyway?

02:47:39.860 I think that criticism has less merit than, you know, the preamble kind of making a short monologue while you've got some national airtime.

02:47:48.620 I think that one's got a bit

02:47:51.140 I do know that

02:47:52.340 we both actually work

02:47:55.240 with Jen Hodgson, our reporter who's in Montreal

02:47:57.200 for the debates right now

02:47:57.980 I know the precise wording

02:47:59.820 of our question

02:48:01.820 it's a minimal preamble

02:48:04.620 just to set context of the question

02:48:06.800 and get right to it

02:48:07.920 we actually had a very tough question for

02:48:10.880 Pierre Pauliot

02:48:11.440 we actually chose

02:48:13.040 because he doesn't get much accountability

02:48:15.580 from the conservative and western perspective

02:48:18.240 from the Laurentian

02:48:21.240 press gallery.

02:48:23.180 So we wanted to give that.

02:48:25.160 It was a tough question.

02:48:26.380 He probably would not have won.

02:48:28.360 He said,

02:48:31.000 production,

02:48:32.320 let's try to get Jen in here. 1.00

02:48:34.240 Message her. I want to bring her in.

02:48:35.980 The question was around...

02:48:37.700 Equalization.

02:48:39.400 In the French language debate,

02:48:41.880 he said he won't touch equalization.

02:48:43.860 He's going to maintain that.

02:48:45.260 That's a popular thing to say when you're

02:48:47.240 in front of a quebec audience for a quebec french debate um but you know we said other than pipelines

02:48:53.000 which you're markedly obviously better than the liberals and ndp and bloquette other than that

02:48:58.760 why should westerners vote for you when you say you're going to leave the status quo in this in

02:49:03.000 place that's a question he probably wouldn't have wanted to get it was a tough but fair question

02:49:07.960 it's obviously not one the conservative party asked us to just softball over to him um i was

02:49:14.120 looking forward to that i'm a little bit pissed off uh jen hodgson was camped out we got her 1.00

02:49:18.840 oh we have jen okay uh oh hold on oh she's setting up her camera let's don't bring her in yet that's 0.99

02:49:24.040 just we got a good view of her uh front molars she's like yeah so okay uh jen are you the other 0.93

02:49:30.920 behind the scenes story okay jen is jen uh as soon as jen's got her camera set up but we had

02:49:36.040 a we had a pretty tough question uh set up for jen to ask we knew exactly what it was gonna be

02:49:41.640 um now i'm sure that the debate commission and the other press saw that we literally had a

02:49:47.600 western standard reporter camped out from 1 p.m the entire day i i talked to her about this i was

02:49:54.740 like we're not missing another day of questions here so just literally camp out and park your

02:50:00.420 butt right there um i don't know if that played i can only speculate if that maybe played into

02:50:06.520 the decision to cancel this but uh what what a mess okay uh let's bring jen you need to back up 1.00

02:50:14.280 from your camera a little bit i think you're a little close okay let's bring jen jen uh where 0.99

02:50:20.440 exactly are you in quebec like in the building like is this the press room hey guys yes i'm right

02:50:27.000 now at the media center which is the press room at the radio canada headquarters and we just

02:50:33.480 experienced uh quite a loud volatile tense scrum without any federal leaders it just came out

02:50:42.520 and was announced that there actually will be no scrum uh due to security concerns which actually

02:50:49.240 traced back to a hill times reporter i tweeted out the scene um courtesy of kian bexty who was

02:50:57.000 sitting behind the hills reporter and got it all on film verbally assaulted rebel news commander

02:51:03.640 ezra levant and because of that uh verbal assault the whole media center and i mean there must be

02:51:13.560 about 150 to 200 journalists here and the whole media center was locked down i was outside uh

02:51:20.040 actually on this very live stream uh giving the western standard viewers an update when

02:51:26.200 the building was locked down and we could see inside um ezra levant who was standing aside

02:51:34.600 with the rcmp police officers after he was accosted by this hills times journalist

02:51:42.600 when i entered the building hold on um do we have uh did you get the clip to production here

02:51:50.360 on uh the announcement that there's gonna be no scrum it's in the dropbox folder okay so uh

02:51:57.080 production's on it here we're gonna show that soon uh before you continue let's show uh

02:52:03.720 have you got a clipped version uh of of that hill times reporter losing it okay let's let's rule

02:52:11.160 that uh right now this is a hill times reporter hill times as i said it's kind of a it used to

02:52:17.720 be actually pretty good at one one time it's it's pretty crappy now but it used to be actually pretty

02:52:21.960 good in its heyday if we wanted to know which staffer was moving between ministries and which

02:52:27.160 one was getting a promotion that was the place to find it and if you wanted to know who was banging

02:52:30.760 who you had to read uh frank frank yeah they were good in their days um they they're both past those

02:52:38.280 days but uh okay so we're we're okay we're ready to roll so what's what we're going to show you

02:52:43.640 right now is uh in the in the press room uh hilltimes reporter losing his on ezra levant here

02:52:56.280 all of the people you needed to do the job i do by myself you just got to control your emotions

02:53:04.920 network limited march 27 registered with elections canada name of applicant ezra

02:53:10.360 Levant, mailing address, Edmonton, Alberta, T5JOP4. I wonder where that would have been?

02:53:18.600 T5JOP4. I wonder what that postal code is. Well, you've certainly got a tiger by the table.

02:53:27.240 Let's go check out Forth Canada. I wonder who they are.

02:53:35.080 Am I not? Am I talking too loud now? Or should... No, you're just... I don't know about...

02:53:38.600 you don't understand you don't even understand what you're looking at what work are you doing

02:53:43.960 with nothing in front of you oh oh yes yes the really intentional work you're doing

02:53:58.520 is she telling you you're out of control emotionally

02:54:00.920 Tantrum Boy. I'll call you Tantrum Boy.

02:54:09.920 Oh, bring us back on. Okay, what you all just saw there was Ezra living his best life.

02:54:29.920 uh i apologize if uh listeners viewers caught an expletive from me there

02:54:37.840 um it was met with love i thought i was muted i should know better um um you know what uh john

02:54:47.920 queue up and get ready for uh when the press surround ezra from the rebel here um so like

02:54:55.500 just losing his mind uh i mean there's a lot of members of the press gallery legacy media reporters

02:55:01.500 who are not as unhinged as that guy um i think he had five to ten percent legitimate criticisms

02:55:10.940 like hey you know like the rest of us want to ask questions too i was pissed off we didn't get to

02:55:17.180 ask questions yesterday um but guess what that's our fault that's not the rebels fault the rebels

02:55:23.620 stack the mics. They have more reporters in Quebec and Ontario. We have no reporters in Quebec and

02:55:28.380 Ontario. We have to fly Jen out there. If the debate was held in Calgary, I'd totally stack 1.00

02:55:33.000 the mics here. And that's the debate commission's fault for the rules. They should have limited it

02:55:39.360 to one question per outlet. And that's that. They didn't do it. And these guys are just losing their

02:55:46.260 mind. The CBC is used to actually getting half the questions in press conferences with politicians

02:55:51.720 regularly um john are we ready to go with the uh the second club yeah yeah okay let's roll

02:56:00.040 you mean third-party advertisers as well can you talk about the 180 000 you're spending

02:56:05.160 to do advertising voter contact both through for canada and into rebel news network limited

02:56:10.520 see you're wrong on that and that's that's what concerns me is that for canada is a different

02:56:15.720 group that was registered it's made a hundred and thirty thousand dollars for rebel news network

02:56:20.760 limited isn't that not true you're getting your facts wrong just uh i didn't want to make sure

02:56:26.040 you're careful yes we were actually talking about the cbc who want us out of here cbc want us because

02:56:35.320 we're not leaving the cbc were outraged that mr corney let us in the cbc oh we had four questions

02:56:43.880 yesterday, Rebel News had four questions yesterday. The CBC thinks that's a normal

02:56:49.280 and it's abnormal, it means they didn't.

02:56:52.380 Were you talking to you about your accreditation and asking questions or was it about

02:56:55.660 you? It was about needed. It was actually about, what's his name, the CBC, David Cochran.

02:57:04.880 Yeah, I mean Cochran wanted me kicked out. I ain't leaving. Cochran's really thin-skinned.

02:57:11.880 And I talked to Rosemary Martin too.

02:57:13.700 I invited her to a challenge and she declined, but that had nothing to do with it.

02:57:23.260 Ezra being a schwein and scheisse, just having the greatest time, I think, of his entire life.

02:57:32.340 Blaise Beamer, an Alberta conservative strategist, saying this is the media scrumming the media.

02:57:40.180 and they just don't know what to make

02:57:42.700 of it. As I said

02:57:44.540 I'm a little

02:57:46.580 I was a little miffed, we didn't get a question

02:57:48.620 the other media, I have a right

02:57:50.700 to be a little miffed too, but they played

02:57:52.600 by the rules as they were

02:57:54.100 and it worked out well for them

02:57:55.760 and as a result

02:57:57.480 Jen, the 1.00

02:58:00.480 entire thing is

02:58:01.440 because of what happened yesterday

02:58:03.540 perhaps because everybody saw you camped out

02:58:06.360 there since 1pm

02:58:08.160 uh there's just no questions allowed entirely from the media right there's no questions allowed

02:58:16.220 from the media now i don't believe that it has to do with me being here since 1 p.m uh there were

02:58:21.960 other journalists just a few mind you here at that time but the media center has been open since

02:58:27.720 noon so journalists are welcome to come in and set up however i will say that following the debate

02:58:35.020 last night and i did tweet some of these out if some of our viewers want to go and check out some

02:58:40.700 clips from the cbc last night commenting on the quote very right conservative websites okay so

02:58:49.420 not even calling our conservative media media itself so that means rebel news true north

02:58:57.340 juneau of course us here at western standard and all of the flack that we got on the cbc

02:59:03.580 because of the kinds of questions that we ask so there were comments about how these kinds of

02:59:09.020 questions are odd and aren't really what canadians want to hear which of course is contrary to what

02:59:16.140 we hear from our viewers these are the kinds of important questions that canadians are interested

02:59:21.260 in the kind of questions that the mainstream media is not asking but rosemary barton and friends on

02:59:28.140 cbc after the debate last night in between the leaders coming out for their media availability

02:59:35.660 it was all focused on conservative news outlets and how we frame questions and how we take so

02:59:43.580 long to ask questions too in fact while some conservative reporters were asking questions

02:59:49.660 of the federal leaders last night there was heckling in line from the back of the line

02:59:55.260 saying get to the point and and asking why we were even here and you can really feel the tension in

03:00:02.460 the room surrounding that also today the tension in the room was built around it seems to be around

03:00:10.380 rebel news and rebel news commander Ezra Levant he was un unprovoked unprovoked he was accosted

03:00:17.500 like that and the hills times journalist is just sitting across the aisle to my right here there

03:00:23.740 were no consequences for that journalist he stayed for the debate and he's still here and i i'll we

03:00:31.180 can show the video i also recorded the video from when it came when it was announced that there will

03:00:36.860 be no media availability post debate uh there was a lot of tension in the room and the the journal

03:00:45.100 the other journalists in the room turned to blame ezra and rebel news uh one journalist

03:00:52.940 he was sitting behind me he's gone now but he accused rebel of having 13 people here on his

03:01:00.220 team which is categorically false and uh there's also the media funding so there's accusations of

03:01:07.900 who funds conservative media yeah all right uh thank you jen all right we're gonna come back to

03:01:15.980 this but we should probably talk about the debate like i i'd be a little remiss here if we didn't

03:01:25.100 actually talk about why we actually all planned to be here we're going to come back to this because

03:01:28.860 because this is a big issue and it is perhaps possible uh the three of us in the studio the

03:01:35.740 two of you remotely uh in edmonton and montreal we care about this more because we're involved in

03:01:41.580 media uh although judging by how many people are watching i you know they can go either way

03:01:47.900 well let's talk about the debate we're going to come back to what happened with the cancellation

03:01:51.660 of all uh post debate questions and the scrums after because it's really important but let's uh

03:01:59.340 let's talk about the debate itself uh jen just while while we start off on this you can come

03:02:03.900 back in when you're ready uh remember the special assignment i gave to you uh a little subterviews

03:02:10.700 uh if you want to check in on that um and then we'll come back to you as soon as soon as you

03:02:15.260 check in on that because if if that could pan out that would be quite something oh all right

03:02:23.660 did you get that jen yep sounds good okay okay very good okay um corey you you've been very

03:02:32.300 uh uncharacteristically patient uh in giving uh your your thoughts so far um is there any moment

03:02:41.260 in that debate that stood out as uh particularly powerful i i think we're in agreement there's no

03:02:47.900 there was no knockout blow i mean like every debate we're always looking for the knockout

03:02:52.380 blow the media is always the same independent and legacy we're always looking for the knockout

03:02:56.460 i don't think there was one but there were there were some uh some moments uh was there

03:03:01.180 a particular moment that stood out and if not a moment uh was there a vibe from a candidate that

03:03:08.860 was maybe better than others well you know the others didn't stand out one thing that stood out

03:03:13.580 was jagmeet singh's full immolation as a serious candidate in this race a self-immolation like

03:03:20.780 if there really was him trying to regain a little ground as the ndp are struggling he should have

03:03:25.740 have been coming in strong and composed. And he was driving people bananas with his interjections

03:03:31.320 and yelling from the background. And he's not new to this sort of thing. It really does feed

03:03:40.420 some of the potential conspiracies that maybe his goal really is to sink the NDP or at least

03:03:45.500 drive them to the liberals because his performance was exceptionally bad. The other fellows were

03:03:51.120 solid. I didn't see a knockout blow or anything like that, but Singh just didn't seem to have

03:03:57.080 personal control. Erica, contradict me. The common wisdom, at least in the room here,

03:04:06.720 is not in keeping with your analysis. I don't think there was a knockout blow. I didn't see it.

03:04:12.060 Everyone's always looking for it. I wanted one, didn't get one. The media always want one, even

03:04:16.380 And even if you're, quick parenthesis for the moderator, the debate commission, terrible, but the moderator himself, Steve Pagan, I, like, that guy should be made governor debate moderator for life.

03:04:34.280 I was going to say, I don't know how that guy's voting, and that's, like, a good thing to say for a moderator.

03:04:40.180 Gentlemen, in the newsroom, you heard me say, I don't know if he's a communist, a fascist, a liberal, conservative, dipper, or bloc.

03:04:45.240 I have I've been watching this guy's career for over 20 years I have no idea how this guy votes

03:04:52.160 and that that is important in earning the trust and credibility of the audiences and the candidates

03:04:58.180 who are in a debate just he was a fantastic moderator I I think the debate commission

03:05:05.020 shit the bed but the the moderator himself who's not responsible for the the structure or anything 0.89

03:05:12.220 else any of the rules he uh steve pekin uh does he get the crown from you from youtube from tonight 0.97

03:05:20.460 he won the debate steve pekin won the debate yeah well i mean we've seen a lot of bad moderation

03:05:27.580 over the years or biased moderation even last night there was a little bit of bickering between

03:05:30.940 the moderator and the candidates there was none of that tonight so that it was very good on that

03:05:35.340 that regard yeah yeah i did think sorry i'm just gonna jump in is like i think the popcorn eating

03:05:42.980 candidates like the one that was giving the most zingers of throwing any punches besides pierre's

03:05:48.740 moment when somehow carny thought asking him about um some weird rogue security clearance stuff was

03:05:56.740 gonna go his way um really backfired but otherwise like every time blanchette opened his mouth i

03:06:02.620 left. I was like, man, this guy knows what his assignment is tonight. He knows that he needs to

03:06:07.740 steal liberal votes and it needs to go to the block. And that man was relentlessly doing his

03:06:14.280 job and in a comedic, witty, witty way. So Jagmeet Singh, I have no idea what his strategy was.

03:06:21.580 I mean, we can, like, I don't think that we should expect from Paliyev or Carney to be

03:06:27.040 taking those swings because their whole goal was look like the prime minister um I thought the

03:06:32.700 the unsung hero of tonight was Blanchett and I actually think he is going to be the person that

03:06:38.960 would move needles away from the liberals I think Singh went he almost was like this is my last

03:06:44.420 rodeo and I'm gonna shoot at whatever comes in my way and you know if you listen to him you would

03:06:49.040 have no idea who he thought it was his opponent was yeah god yeah I mean I I watch I watch this

03:06:54.720 Cigar one of Alberta or Western

03:06:57.000 Block, wouldn't that be great?

03:06:59.280 I would love to have

03:07:00.840 some cigar

03:07:03.060 chomping, Stetson

03:07:05.100 wearing version of Blanchette. 0.93

03:07:06.920 That would be pretty cool.

03:07:10.640 Okay, we got some stuff going on in the background here.

03:07:14.140 Nigel,

03:07:14.980 no knockout blow.

03:07:17.280 Did anyone come out

03:07:18.480 significant?

03:07:20.920 No one came out decisively on top, I think, but

03:07:22.660 did anyone come out relatively on top who who gained points who lost points well besides saying

03:07:28.980 we already know he lost like forget it you know to be honest i when when he showed up i kind of

03:07:35.300 started taking notes on what other people have said because it was pretty pretty bad i i refilled

03:07:40.180 the coffee or took a bath when he was talking yeah i felt like i was like okay i'm checking

03:07:45.380 out on this guy i i don't he's probably not very happy tonight because he knows he's blown it

03:07:52.180 excuse me the um okay i think that um pierre had it to lose but he didn't lose it he actually

03:08:05.300 polished off a couple of pretty good points straight off with um with mr carney it's a

03:08:12.180 curious thing that Mr. Carney must have been advised that in order to look prime ministerial,

03:08:18.580 you never look at your opponents. And so the question would come into his right ear,

03:08:24.100 and he would look straight ahead. So Oliver is asking him something, and he's sort of

03:08:31.940 ignoring him as beneath attention other than he has to on this occasion, which is kind of an

03:08:37.860 unfortunate i i took points off for off carney for a lack of just human and human personality

03:08:48.020 he was a bit of a drone actually very very i'm sure this is contrived it's been gone through

03:08:55.300 it's been talked over with the team look sir when you get out there don't be emotional don't make

03:09:00.260 eye contact just stick to your lines it'll be fine but he did that but it wasn't fine

03:09:07.380 whereas uh a beer polio there was quite animated um i i saw a degree of passion in him that i don't

03:09:17.220 always see and i certainly don't ever see from mr carney and so i would actually say on points

03:09:26.100 uh without the knockout well pier polia took it this evening last night the uh the thought was

03:09:35.700 that he probably didn't help himself

03:09:38.200 but didn't lose ground.

03:09:39.780 Tonight, I think he moved ahead of it.

03:09:42.800 Okay.

03:09:44.040 We'll go through, I think, each of the guys.

03:09:47.160 I think we've already kind of...

03:09:48.640 Sorry.

03:09:50.720 Have we got Jen here?

03:09:53.300 Okay.

03:09:54.300 So we're going to have, actually, Ezra Levant,

03:09:56.360 who's at the center of the whole

03:09:57.740 Shiza storm

03:10:00.020 going on in Montreal right now.

03:10:02.820 When we have him, we're going to

03:10:04.280 interrupt whatever we're doing, bring him in.

03:10:06.460 We've already talked about Blanchette unofficially in this.

03:10:09.040 I want to go through each of the leaders.

03:10:10.380 We've talked a bit about the rest too.

03:10:13.600 Let's talk Carney first.

03:10:19.360 I think Carney actually did well.

03:10:20.860 I think a lot of people, particularly in the East, are okay with boring.

03:10:28.040 I mean, the old saying of Bill Davis, the former progressive,

03:10:31.020 I emphasize progressive, conservative, Premier of Ontario, who sided with the old Trudeau on the National Energy Program against Alberta.

03:10:41.040 He, the same for him, was a boring, what's the same? Boring sales.

03:10:48.180 There's a count of good looks.

03:10:50.460 He had a similar demeanor. It was boring, and it conveyed stability, continuity, competence.

03:10:59.440 uh carney did not come across as fiery and populist um we were in a populist moment i mean

03:11:07.220 i shouldn't say we pan canada was in a populist moment six months ago oh i think we're uh okay

03:11:15.520 uh jen's getting ready and set up here uh okay we're gonna bring jen in with ezra levant in a 0.92

03:11:22.500 moment here um but i think carney a lot of especially eastern canadians are looking

03:11:29.680 they're okay with boring the accountant uh stephen harper played into that to some extent

03:11:34.520 it was not fiery populism it was uh it it was steady calm competence and carney uh i think

03:11:44.500 portrayed that tonight i'm not gonna vote for the guy obviously but i i can see how someone's

03:11:50.880 looking who's scared right now and doesn't want to rock the boat uh i can see how someone would

03:11:56.420 look at carney's performance erica and say uh he's he's gonna calm things down uh one of the

03:12:05.700 terms uses dad vibes did you get the dad vibes from carney yeah well i look at it as like what

03:12:12.220 were they all trying to achieve from this i've been in debate preps um been in those green rooms

03:12:17.580 of like what are your objectives going to be his was to look stable like that boring stiff suit

03:12:24.360 that you're talking about I think Derek um I think he achieved that to some degree but um

03:12:31.980 you could just see that he doesn't have debate confidence and I think that that was where you

03:12:38.800 can be as boring as you want uh but when your your opponent is someone like Pierre Polyev

03:12:45.880 um and who is very good in debates he just looked not equipped if canadians did not know that mark

03:12:53.320 carney has been prime minister for one month after listening to this debate they were not

03:12:58.560 paying attention because he was using that as an out he was you know mixing up things like

03:13:04.380 keystone versus tmx he was mixing up a lot of like key facts and demographics of like both the

03:13:11.360 liberal and his own record. It looks like he didn't check his own LinkedIn. So I think you're

03:13:16.260 right. I think from tone and approach that he landed and was fair. He wasn't going to lose any,

03:13:25.900 but on credibility and charisma, I think he fell quite short in this debate where

03:13:33.420 um that that might hurt him in areas in in quebec okay uh i'm told that uh jen is uh jen

03:13:44.400 hodgson a reporter is standing by in montreal and that she has ezra levant ready uh let's uh

03:13:50.400 bring jen and ezra into the street uh jen uh are you uh are you standing there by with ezra

03:13:56.740 hi guys i'm here ezra's actually doing his own live stream right now for rebel news but he's

03:14:03.400 going to come and talk to me in just a couple minutes yeah we're gonna come back to you just

03:14:07.460 send us a message when you're ready to go okay okay uh so let's continue with our mouse carney

03:14:15.580 here uh corey um dad vibes but i also got prime ministerial vibes i don't necessarily sometimes i

03:14:23.980 like prime ministerial vibes sometimes i don't uh but he he looked like if he was playing a prime

03:14:31.260 minister on tv he that doesn't mean you make a good one in real life but playing one on tv

03:14:36.680 i got that from carney he was composed and he was solid so uh i guess you know what we're going to

03:14:43.620 be looking for is is there was a large chunk of undecided still out there we the western standard

03:14:47.820 reported a story on that recently and often you know that this could be the moment when people

03:14:53.200 are paying a bit of attention to make their mind up we'll see what happens i mean as we said you

03:14:58.140 know, perhaps Polly have had a bit of an edge, but both of them look solid. So who is going to

03:15:03.600 take away from those undecideds right now? It's a matter of who's going to grab more. And yeah,

03:15:09.700 you know, as a committed conservative, I would have been happy to see Mr. Carney lose a bit

03:15:14.240 of composure, perhaps to show some cracks. He didn't score points, but he didn't lose any.

03:15:19.440 And that's kind of where he's been sitting when you're in that position.

03:15:21.780 Can I just jump in? I just want to ask Corey. So the Nanos poll that just came out earlier

03:15:26.020 tonight says there's like, for the first time, actually lower undecided amount of Canadians

03:15:32.260 were sitting at about six to seven when it's typically, you know, 12, 13, 14. Do you think

03:15:38.660 that there's actually some undecideds that could impact? Or do you think that Carney just needed to

03:15:43.480 hold on for dear life? Because I think he was successful in that. I just don't know if he,

03:15:48.340 I don't think anything he did was going to sway that, that 6%. And it's, it's most of it's locked

03:15:55.000 in already. Yeah, most of it is, but we've got a very tight race. So when we're talking a few

03:15:59.300 percentage points, it could make that difference. But I mean, the support I think for everybody

03:16:03.180 right now is mushy. If we've seen anything, it's that the electorate is volatile right now. I mean,

03:16:07.760 we've never seen poll spikes in our lives like we've seen this last two months. So I mean,

03:16:12.680 if you can spike that high for the Liberals that fast, you can drop that fast too. But

03:16:16.460 something needs to happen and nothing explosive happened tonight. So I don't see the needle

03:16:24.120 moving, I guess. I mean, maybe it's

03:16:26.060 going to move a little bit, but I couldn't see

03:16:27.920 Carney losing points tonight. Nigel,

03:16:30.980 did Carney,

03:16:32.440 he goes into this as the frontrunner,

03:16:34.220 not by a huge margin, but

03:16:36.120 by, yeah, I mean, if we're taking

03:16:37.980 the consensus of the polls, and I don't think

03:16:39.920 the polls are any great conspiracy, unless

03:16:41.700 you're ECOS, because

03:16:43.800 Frank is

03:16:44.700 drinking his own bathwater.

03:16:49.160 I can

03:16:49.860 stretch pun.

03:16:51.880 Other than ECOS, the other polls,

03:16:54.120 Some tend to be more favorable to one party or another,

03:16:57.840 but the consensus is Liberals going in as frontrunner.

03:17:00.680 When you're frontrunner, you generally want to play it safe.

03:17:04.220 You don't want to make any big mistakes.

03:17:05.820 You don't need to land a big blow.

03:17:07.000 You just need to not get blown.

03:17:11.440 Yeah, I can see Corey.

03:17:13.540 I can see Corey.

03:17:14.340 I didn't see it this time.

03:17:15.660 No, no, no, that one's me.

03:17:17.980 Nigel, I think Carney just needed to not screw up.

03:17:24.920 did he accomplish that tonight depends how deeply you're into politics really doesn't i mean in the

03:17:31.080 terms of just the presentation the the looking straight ahead looking prime ministerial not

03:17:37.160 getting too rattled uh yes he held he held his own but if you actually listen to what the man said

03:17:44.200 and compare it with what you know he has done and things he has said in the past then you think

03:17:50.840 well wait a minute that's that's that i'm not convinced i'll give you one example um he came

03:17:57.080 to calgary what 10 days ago made a great beta speech and said we're going to be an energy

03:18:02.120 superpower that by the way is an old stephen harper line did you write that one uh i think

03:18:07.800 that might have been paul bonner who preceded me just contacts for newer viewers nigel was the

03:18:13.800 chief speechwriter for stephen harper in a day but uh yeah okay so that that was not you but

03:18:18.840 No, I think that preceded me.

03:18:20.160 That was when they said the KX was a no-brainer.

03:18:25.140 That wasn't me either, although I thought it was at the time.

03:18:27.380 Anyway, that's not about me.

03:18:30.020 The thing is, he said in Calgary we're going to be an energy superpower out here in Alberta.

03:18:36.040 We know what that phrase means.

03:18:38.500 He said he had been raised in Alberta, so he knew what that phrase meant.

03:18:42.840 And then he said this evening, oh, well, it's actually going to be a clean energy.

03:18:48.840 superpower and right there that means this has got nothing to do with oil and gas and the things

03:18:54.280 that we care about now if you're not into politics you probably wouldn't pick that up

03:19:00.280 so when i'm when you're asking me did he did he leave any change on the table the answer is for

03:19:07.160 most people probably not but if you're into this stuff you pick up little things like that and you

03:19:13.720 and you say, all right, I see where he's coming.

03:19:15.640 He is not who he says he is.

03:19:18.940 On that, I mean, it depends on the messenger.

03:19:24.020 If Danielle Smith said Alberta is a clean energy superpower,

03:19:27.340 I would interpret it as she believes Alberta energy is clean.

03:19:34.360 And so it depends on how much grace you're giving him.

03:19:39.200 And this has, I think, been the brilliance of the Carney liberal campaign

03:19:43.260 is he's saying things that are just a Rorschach test

03:19:47.360 that different people interpret so differently.

03:19:51.400 If he says clean energy superpower, I mean...

03:19:55.120 Okay, we're getting ready to go to Jen and Ezra here.

03:19:59.500 But if you say you're clean energy...

03:20:00.840 Okay, put your thumbs away until you're ready.

03:20:04.280 Okay, not yet.

03:20:08.080 But I would say Alberta is a clean energy superpower

03:20:12.460 because I understand that Alberta energy,

03:20:16.740 oil and gas is maybe not as,

03:20:19.200 like if you're talking about emissions,

03:20:20.940 not as clean as, say, as solar.

03:20:22.460 It probably is cleaner than wind.

03:20:25.040 But it depends who's saying it.

03:20:27.040 And knowing Carney, you read his book,

03:20:29.500 you understand what this man's about.

03:20:30.780 When he says clean energy superpower,

03:20:33.040 I take that as meaning he's not talking about the land.

03:20:35.780 This is the intellectual mindset of people

03:20:37.600 who think like Mr. Carney

03:20:39.280 and who he hangs out with.

03:20:42.460 You use the words that everybody understands, but you mean something different.

03:20:46.760 Like when you talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion, well, you know, we kind of like a little diversity.

03:20:53.000 And equity, well, you know.

03:20:54.640 I agree. You're British.

03:20:55.720 Yeah, you know.

03:20:56.580 It's very diverse.

03:20:58.200 Inclusion, yeah, let's all get together.

03:20:59.800 Let's all go to the pub.

03:21:01.260 That's what those words mean to us.

03:21:03.260 But it means something very different when people who think like Mr. Carney use them.

03:21:08.620 And I think you're finding that throughout that whole speech or that series of answers that he says nice, safe things.

03:21:16.160 And the people who are with him know what he means.

03:21:18.420 The people who come in cold think, well, that sounds nice.

03:21:22.280 Yeah.

03:21:22.960 Okay.

03:21:24.440 That's Carney.

03:21:25.580 Let's talk about Pierre Poliev.

03:21:29.380 Poliev is in a very strong position, but not yet winning.

03:21:35.840 And the liberal vote is more efficient.

03:21:37.240 uh one of the this is a very odd election we have not had an election like this

03:21:44.440 arguably almost in the post-war period that is

03:21:48.440 in the post-war period like we've had a very we've had splintering of parties

03:21:54.400 increasingly 1993 was the biggest splintering of parties when you had the advent of reform

03:21:59.860 in the bloc um and then things consolidated 2003 with the unification of the conservative party

03:22:08.200 um but in terms of vote sheriff but well the nd the greens didn't even qualify for the debate

03:22:14.680 even though the debate rules were literally written to include them they still couldn't

03:22:18.260 meet the threshold to get in um the ppc vote has i mean it's there and unless pierre say

03:22:26.720 really betrays things in a

03:22:29.160 big swing to the left.

03:22:31.020 I don't think the PPC is going to catch on

03:22:32.740 too hard here.

03:22:35.220 And the NDP has totally

03:22:36.840 melted down.

03:22:38.780 We're in a

03:22:39.900 two-party plus

03:22:42.860 system. It's not a full multi-party anymore

03:22:45.080 with the NDP's meltdown

03:22:47.180 in English Canada.

03:22:50.000 So

03:22:50.520 I don't know the way the electoral math

03:22:52.880 is going to work.

03:22:54.520 Previous math has still advantaged the Liberals.

03:22:57.940 We just don't know how it's going.

03:22:59.560 We're kind of playing with a different deck of cards.

03:23:02.640 But Polyev, one way or another, is going into this debate insanely as the underdog.

03:23:09.360 Within striking distance, he can still win.

03:23:12.440 He's not down and out, but he is under.

03:23:17.100 He needed to win tonight.

03:23:20.720 And if he doesn't win tonight, he's got to pull something out of his hat

03:23:22.840 or some catastrophe has to strike the Liberal

03:23:24.840 campaign in the next two weeks.

03:23:27.620 Start with Erica.

03:23:31.220 I think Paul Yev

03:23:32.820 did fine.

03:23:34.920 I think he didn't take

03:23:36.960 any big hits.

03:23:38.420 None of them landed at least.

03:23:41.880 He

03:23:42.320 had some good zingers.

03:23:45.320 I really liked the

03:23:46.340 you want to protect

03:23:47.960 Canadians from criminals.

03:23:50.620 You want to protect the turkeys from hunters.

03:23:52.580 Good line.

03:23:53.260 I mean, it's not a knockout for hunters like me.

03:23:57.480 I mean, got me, but-

03:23:59.060 You're already voting for him.

03:24:00.400 Yeah.

03:24:01.760 Actually, I haven't voted federal conservative

03:24:04.440 in a very long time.

03:24:05.740 So actually, I actually am a hard voter to win over.

03:24:08.700 But yeah.

03:24:10.080 I voted for him yesterday, so.

03:24:11.900 Okay.

03:24:12.660 But I'm already kind of there.

03:24:14.980 But I think the big weakness of Polyev

03:24:18.200 was that his overuse of sloganeering for a change for a change for a change bring it home bring it

03:24:27.280 home bring it home i i get repetition is good and politics always has been and it has never been

03:24:33.800 more so than right now where it's all about the two seconds soundbite that gets clipped i mean

03:24:38.980 we got a lot of people watching the stream right now but the majority of people are just gonna

03:24:43.640 they're going to wake up in their bed all groggy

03:24:46.800 they're going to open up acts or open up

03:24:48.760 Facebook and they're going to see a couple little clips

03:24:50.680 they're not going to watch the whole debate

03:24:52.300 but

03:24:53.220 there's an advantage to being an experienced politician

03:24:58.800 but it also

03:25:00.760 looks like I think he's been in politics a little

03:25:02.700 too long almost

03:25:04.000 he's been in his whole adult life

03:25:06.140 I think he was too sloganaring

03:25:08.520 that's my take

03:25:10.240 how do you think

03:25:12.300 um you know what i i think it's like are we going what is happening we just we just broke

03:25:22.780 a lot of viewers oh yay we just scored a goal so i had to do that um that's fair um

03:25:30.460 so i think two things one is the who is he talking to in that debate versus who is he

03:25:36.300 talking to on those sound bites and i think he probably will win on the sound bites but you're

03:25:41.180 right um it was a little bit stagnant it wasn't i don't think he was going to come out and do this

03:25:47.980 um this grand slam or be super aggressive like maybe you're insinuating he would because it was

03:25:56.460 his to to also lose he needed to look prime minister-esque and i will say he came out very

03:26:03.100 very strong his composure his tone his like if i was sitting in that green room i'd be like you're

03:26:08.860 nailing it um you're doing exactly in composing yourself he didn't interrupt like sing just looked

03:26:14.300 crazy and it helped but even with how him and carney interacted they were rarely respectful

03:26:19.980 for each to each other um i think he tried to throw a few punches but even coming into what

03:26:26.380 is he supposed to do for this bait he was supposed to i think strategically throw punches and then

03:26:32.380 back off. And I think he was successful in that. However, is that going to sway voters? I don't

03:26:40.900 know. I would say he more confidently did not lose any voters. And maybe in this debate, given how

03:26:47.340 close it was, that was their calculated strategy. But yeah, I heard ax the tax, time for change,

03:26:54.700 all of these things that perhaps they think are going to help because you have to tell someone

03:27:00.260 something over seven times before they actually hear it. However, we've been hearing it for the

03:27:04.420 last year and a half. So I'm not sure that it's having the same impact that maybe it would in a

03:27:09.760 traditional debate if we haven't heard these taglines from him, which he was also criticized

03:27:14.000 for of having taglines and not policies. So did he knock it out of the park? I don't think so,

03:27:19.520 but I don't think that was his goal going into this debate because to what some inquiry said

03:27:24.340 earlier is the conservative vote is way stronger and way more locked in than the liberal vote.

03:27:30.260 So I think his play was let the other guys throw the punches and hopefully steal some votes from the liberals.

03:27:37.060 So let me just challenge you on that for a second about the frequency with which Pierre uses slogans.

03:27:46.760 Now, people like us, we're in this every day.

03:27:52.360 If you're reporting and writing about this, you've got the television on in the newsroom and you hear it all the time.

03:27:59.380 we've kind of heard it but most people don't do that most people do not nobody watches the cbc

03:28:06.420 anyway so of the few who do uh how many actually are are paying attention to what the leaders are

03:28:15.460 saying and are starting to find it tiresome that they keep using these slogans yeah i don't think

03:28:23.940 this is the night this last night and tonight it's probably going to be when most people

03:28:31.060 hear hear most of what they're going to hear about the issues in this election

03:28:35.540 so in that circumstance maybe i don't think he said bringing it home but other than that he

03:28:42.500 common sense as much as i actually thought he would either but yeah so so i maybe maybe there's

03:28:48.100 a place for the slogans given the nature of the audience that this event attracts yeah i mean i

03:28:53.140 think we're in the weeds of analyzing it so we're i'm definitely being more critical of what the

03:28:59.060 common voter is uh we talked on our podcast the discourse about the w so you watch when the writ

03:29:05.540 is dropped you watch the debate and then you watch for election results and otherwise most canadians

03:29:10.740 which i don't think includes the four of us tonight aren't paying attention every single day

03:29:15.940 and so to your point i think he was probably speaking to people i think he's going to win the

03:29:21.860 soundbite, social media, um, you know, those clip game after to be able to ensure that those

03:29:30.580 soundbites make it in to each and every one of those clips. So, but when it comes to straight

03:29:35.640 up debate, I think there was a lot of repetition that to someone watching from start to finish

03:29:42.140 might have saw as, you know, less authentic than maybe you saw from some other candidates. And

03:29:49.640 again like i'm being critical of the guy i just voted for yesterday so i just want to break it

03:29:55.240 down for people but this is like behind the curtain stuff to average canadians i think it

03:29:59.260 was probably fine did you actually even think it was a debate gory what is did we get a debate or

03:30:05.300 did you just we get an exchange of slogans uh there wasn't too much i i guess the the impulsive

03:30:11.160 answers the the interchange everybody was so controlled you know it was if you get that good

03:30:17.780 back and forth where neither of them were

03:30:19.740 prepared and using their notes and were actually

03:30:21.860 having an exchange. We didn't see any of that

03:30:23.680 tonight or last night. You don't see it in a lot of

03:30:25.760 debates anymore. The John Turner

03:30:27.760 Mulroney moment, that wasn't prepped.

03:30:29.180 Hold on, hold on.

03:30:31.700 She's chatting.

03:30:32.500 Okay.

03:30:34.240 There we are.

03:30:37.780 I've got them in my ear here,

03:30:39.240 but I'll just ask you about it if that's okay.

03:30:40.920 Bring me on there, John.

03:30:43.940 Okay.

03:30:44.560 So

03:30:44.800 So, we began immediately after the debate, not talking about the debate itself.

03:30:52.800 This screen setup's not good, John.

03:30:55.560 We can hardly see things.

03:30:57.360 But, yeah, there we go.

03:31:00.940 We began not talking about the debate itself.

03:31:04.220 We were talking about the debate of the debate behind the scenes.

03:31:09.880 We've already played some clips.

03:31:12.920 Ezra doesn't need to see them because he's in them.

03:31:16.400 Ezra doesn't know what I said about them, but I largely said,

03:31:20.920 this is Ezra, the happiest I've ever seen him in my life.

03:31:26.100 But as we know, Rebel News, followed by Juno slash True North,

03:31:32.280 Counter Signal, and some others yesterday,

03:31:34.960 dominated the post-debate press scrums.

03:31:39.720 And as a result, the post-abate press scrums today are totally canceled.

03:31:45.440 We've played some of the videos of one Hilltimes journalist kind of losing his mind, screaming at Ezra,

03:31:52.320 and Ezra responding back in a rather witty way.

03:31:55.940 And then the entire press scrumming Ezra Levant.

03:31:59.820 um ezra uh i don't know how to put this any other way other than is is today the happiest i've ever

03:32:10.780 seen you okay so i am here with ezra levant and derek bilderbrand is asking is this the happiest

03:32:18.140 that he's ever seen you you know what i'm actually disappointed in the decision by the commissioner of

03:32:23.840 this debate to shut down the scrum his mission is to serve the public and how does it serve the

03:32:29.100 public to let these politicians go without a scrum and i think i know why he did it on the one hand

03:32:36.380 over the last 24 hours the commissioner has been pressured by every mainstream media big shot how

03:32:42.660 dare you allow the citizen journalists in it's not a revolution but he was also mad at juno and

03:32:48.220 counter signal and western standard and there are about 10 citizen journalists here and but rebels

03:32:54.840 the most hated and so the cbc and ctv and all the others went a full court press on michelle

03:33:00.840 cormier for the last 24 hours saying you've got to stop rebel news we had four questions out of 17

03:33:06.040 yesterday which is pretty respectable cbc had four questions too so the problem that michelle

03:33:12.040 cormier was in was how does he appease his base mainstream media journalists but not break the

03:33:18.440 law because we've been the court against these guys twice and twice the federal court said you

03:33:22.760 You can't discriminate against Rebel News based on ideology.

03:33:26.240 So how can you craft a way to get Rebel not to ask questions?

03:33:30.820 What a conundrum.

03:33:32.000 So they just cut the Gordian knot and canceled the whole thing.

03:33:34.660 I believe that's what happened.

03:33:35.940 They claimed it was a security incident, but I don't believe that.

03:33:39.200 This is the most secure facility in the country right now.

03:33:42.160 There's got to be 100 cops here, sniffer dogs, searches.

03:33:45.780 RCMP.

03:33:47.200 Snipers.

03:33:47.680 I mean, that's a BS excuse.

03:33:50.980 and if there was a security incident they would have interrupted the debate

03:33:54.380 that was and by the way when michelle cormier came in to announce that 1.00

03:33:58.760 people said what's the security incident and he ran away

03:34:01.460 i think this is super gross but i have to tell you the grossest part

03:34:05.860 was when some of the regime media reacted to rebel news questions by the

03:34:13.620 way i didn't ask a question myself but the lovely drea humphrey did and 0.98

03:34:17.120 Sheila Gunn-Reed did it, and Alexa LaVoie, Enfrancais.

03:34:21.280 When our people got up, there was hissing, there was heckling,

03:34:24.380 there was hollering, because they hated the idea that we could even be allowed

03:34:29.520 in this sanctified place that only professional journalists are in.

03:34:33.560 But we're professional.

03:34:34.820 We do it full-time.

03:34:36.220 And there's no such thing as a journalistic profession.

03:34:38.880 It's not like being a doctor or a lawyer.

03:34:41.600 Anyway, so it was a crazy thing.

03:34:43.460 I'm very proud of the four journalists who asked the question.

03:34:46.020 and grossed out by the CBC, which really led the charge to kick Rebel News out.

03:34:50.800 I think that the leader of the Debates Commission is a weak man

03:34:55.200 who was bullied by the mainstream media and did not do his duty.

03:35:01.080 But it's really nice to see you here and Juno and Counter Signal and Rebel

03:35:06.980 because all these folks, if they think they can put the citizen journalism genie back in the bottle,

03:35:12.180 well tell it to joe rogan and all these people here live off the subsidies of the government

03:35:17.700 because they're failing in their business models and if they think that being mean to rebel

03:35:22.360 or western standard or counter signal is going to save their job they're wrong they should get

03:35:27.140 with the future and and how about i mean i know that you're the same way at western standard

03:35:31.340 every day you think what do my viewers want because if you're not listening to them you're

03:35:36.540 go out of business but the cbc and other regime media they take a different approach they say

03:35:42.540 what does one viewer mark carney say they only care about they're beholden that's right to one

03:35:47.900 person okay that's not gonna win now yeah can't hear us right like you're essentially gonna have

03:35:54.780 to translate from english to english right right okay uh all right that makes a little

03:36:02.380 well i just want i just want to go back to that about the security issue that was cited about

03:36:07.580 what was happening here in the media center now i was actually outside on a live stream with the

03:36:12.140 western standard when we were blocked out and sheila your colleague came and let me know that

03:36:18.780 something was going on with you she had a video on her phone right and it's a hills time reporter

03:36:24.780 who is actually sitting over here hasn't been removed is continues to sit in here he turned

03:36:30.780 around and verbally accosted you now that was completely unprovoked i understand yeah he was

03:36:36.300 sort of went on the crazy ground a lot of people videoed it that was not why i left i left because

03:36:41.660 the cbc had made a complaint right to kick me out and the complaint was not upheld i see it just was

03:36:49.020 cool because when when i came back in you were here surrounded by maybe 50 60 journalists and

03:36:55.180 i so i held court for a few minutes you did yeah we got the video up the crazy guy from the hill

03:37:01.020 times i don't know what happened that he's what i had in mind when i said people being radicals

03:37:05.340 like he was just hollering and i just said control yourself lower your energy yeah um

03:37:11.900 i mean i interacted with him for about a minute i just said calm down calm down

03:37:16.540 that was not it looked like it was because it was the same time i was called out

03:37:19.900 because the commission was asked by the cbc to deport me not and um and they said well what do

03:37:31.760 you have to say i said no that's crazy and here's why and they said okay that's unbelievable yeah i

03:37:37.920 mean it looked like it did because it was at the same time okay so it did appear to me that there

03:37:43.160 was a link so it was actually a cbc complaint who last night after the debate they went

03:37:49.340 continuously on a rampage i've never seen it i've never seen it this bad i have never seen it this

03:37:55.380 bad either and they were explicitly saying that rebel news traffics in misinformation what do you

03:38:01.980 say to that well i mean this information is a way of saying i don't agree with yeah okay well i don't

03:38:07.680 agree with them i mean i would say if you believe that raising taxes will change the weather that's

03:38:13.140 a conspiracy theory that's misinformation you know that's what everyone says about the other

03:38:17.420 guy they don't like or carbon taxes would change the environment yeah i mean i mean i'm not i don't

03:38:22.560 use the word misinformation that often but that's just the way of saying i mean for example yesterday

03:38:28.400 drea humphrey talked about the alleged graves at the kamloops indian men they actually went there

03:38:35.480 oh and she actually talked to the chief i don't think that rosemary barton did but rosemary 0.98

03:38:41.180 barton was saying drea's comments about that were misinformation but i know drea's information is

03:38:47.340 firsthand she literally drove there so i mean i'm not going to be too fussed but when the cbc says

03:38:53.980 we're full of misinformation what they really mean is we don't agree with them uh-huh in the same

03:38:59.180 breath rosemary barton said rebel news traffics in misinformation and that remains of indigenous

03:39:06.620 children have indeed been found in various places across the country i actually tweeted that clip

03:39:13.100 out and tagged rosemary barton asking her if she would cite her source and of course we haven't

03:39:19.340 heard anything back but that tweet got a lot of traction and actually tonight i was just speaking

03:39:24.700 with drea and drea walked by rosemary barton they they had an encounter and uh drea politely said 0.99

03:39:35.100 to her well if you know something that i don't can you please share with me this source who

03:39:42.460 where did you get that information that there have indeed been bodies found or remains found

03:39:48.220 and mainstream media post media has been backtracking on this now calling these remains

03:39:53.020 anomalies it's widely accepted that there have been no remains found yet on a cbc live stream

03:40:00.380 the broadcasters were so irate that they were spewing their own not to use their own phrase but

03:40:07.260 misinformation and disinformation things that are categorically false there's a lot of people

03:40:11.980 in this room right now even right now it's emptying out that i really disagree with like i mean i

03:40:16.940 super disagree with them but i'm not gonna rage at them yeah i'm not gonna shout at them or say

03:40:23.500 get out like i just i'm trying to think why they had such an explosive reaction to us

03:40:30.540 i think it's because we're in their happy place and they don't i don't actually i don't understand

03:40:36.620 i need to think about it some more but let me say this

03:40:41.020 the the way they've treated our people if the shoe was on the other foot would be an outrage

03:40:46.700 and i've you mentioned rea i my esteem for her has grown so much because she put up with the

03:40:52.780 slings and arrows with such grace and and it was like it was a pit of snakes hissing at her when

03:40:58.700 she asked her question yesterday and um yes you could feel the tension in the room very proud of

03:41:05.400 her and i was very proud of alexa lavoie oh my god alexa you know it's even rare to more rare

03:41:11.600 to have a freedom-oriented journalist in quebec than in english canada and they hate alexa so

03:41:16.940 much and the fact that she had a question they hated that i've just never seen that hate come

03:41:21.840 i mean listen there were questions yesterday that i did not like either but i'm not gonna

03:41:25.200 i'm not gonna start saying boo like i mean of course heckling other journalists and and those

03:41:31.360 are the fancy people those are the official people you would think that i mean rebel news is supposed

03:41:36.480 to be the ruffians we were polite as truth but yes thank you i'm really glad western stan were here

03:41:41.200 and i want to give out a shout shout out to derek who's done a heck of a job and i i really think

03:41:46.320 he's standing up for the interests of western canada and i regard myself as a westerner at heart

03:41:51.360 even though i'm out here in exile in ontario so i want to praise the whole team and thank

03:41:56.800 god for the western standard uh all's good on the western front when you guys are around so

03:42:02.960 i'm delighted you guys were represented here thank you so much for your time ezra feeling

03:42:07.200 mutual bye everybody okay bye-bye all right uh ezra could not hear me he didn't have an earpiece

03:42:13.360 that's uh production make note of that we have to find a way to deal with that for future ones

03:42:17.920 but ezra was unfortunately not able to hear us but uh jen i think you did a good job thank you

03:42:23.520 as we're there um okay we're gonna bring it back into studio here uh stand by jen we're still gonna

03:42:29.760 bring in from time to time but if you got it to uh do anything for your secret assignment

03:42:35.280 uh feel free to drop out but come back in when you're ready um 10-4 thank you okay uh let's pick

03:42:43.200 up on uh analysis of uh carney here um no no i think did everyone get their say okay everybody

03:42:52.560 got their say on carney uh we were like halfway through pierre oh oh yes we were up here yeah i

03:43:00.480 went you went okay boys gotta go those boys that keep sitting so close together as noted by a

03:43:06.640 listener earlier it's uh it's it's getting hot in here i actually it's because it's after hours the

03:43:15.120 air conditioning is shut off it actually is starting to get pretty hot um uh did you guys

03:43:21.680 get your thoughts in on pierre yeah yeah well i was saying we got interrupted some yeah yeah

03:43:26.880 it was broken but okay no i was saying that pierre uh had the best of it i thought when

03:43:32.880 And you were saying that, well, maybe he just did what he needed to do

03:43:37.200 but didn't make any strong gains.

03:43:40.080 I want to talk about the guy who really doesn't even deserve to be talked about.

03:43:45.000 But the reason he doesn't deserve to be talked about is the reason we're going to talk about him.

03:43:48.580 And that's Jake Needsing.

03:43:50.880 Corey, you had the tweet of the night.

03:43:53.180 I'm paraphrasing you, I think, pretty closely when I say you said something to the effect of

03:43:58.380 the debate moderator is going to have to take out a water pistol

03:44:02.680 and start squirting him in the face. 1.00

03:44:05.760 He did not present well.

03:44:09.760 I mean, the AP's got a problem with female voters, 1.00

03:44:12.380 and he wears a hot pink turban.

03:44:14.580 I'm not sure how that works with men, but that was not his biggest problem.

03:44:19.760 It was that it was constant interruption.

03:44:23.040 And in a debate, I mean, I hate to use the term,

03:44:26.420 you've got to have your elbows up.

03:44:28.380 I got it. I said it. But, you know, you have to you have to elbow your way into a conversation from time to time.

03:44:35.140 You have to be aggressive. But the guy, as you described, Corey, was just like a mosquito buzzing who never actually got the bite.

03:44:42.840 And, you know, he is down so far in the polls.

03:44:47.940 The NDP on seat projections right now is headed, potentially, if current trends hold, for the worst result in the history of the NDP in Canada.

03:44:59.560 We would have to go back to possibly circa World War II for a time when the NDP's main predecessor party, the CCF, Canadian Commonwealth Federation, had less seats than it's on track to get.

03:45:14.820 And not just seats, you have to take it after he has a proportion of Parliament.

03:45:18.340 And Parliament is bigger today than it was in, obviously, the war era.

03:45:22.780 He is headed to be the biggest failure of an NDP leader in the history of that party right now.

03:45:32.000 Not coming in with a lot of confidence.

03:45:34.560 And he, I don't know, nothing landed.

03:45:39.580 He just had the same talking points.

03:45:41.720 Not talking points designed to appeal to me, granted.

03:45:43.760 but uh just a buzzing mosquito and came in as as annoying uh cory i'll give you the first word on

03:45:52.380 how jp'd say performed well it was inexplicable i mean it was terrible tactics as you as you laid

03:45:57.960 out where he's sitting he's in a terrible position as far as a leader goes you'd think right now what

03:46:03.700 he'd want to do is try to consolidate support and target it in some spots to salvage some seats

03:46:09.360 after this election. Why didn't he say something, you know, you want to elbow your way in and make

03:46:15.000 your points and reach your base because you've lost them. What about organized labor? Or what

03:46:19.300 about, you know, somewhere he could have tried to reach out, but instead he just took on a

03:46:25.480 pestering approach of trying to yell from the sidelines. It's like he didn't have a solid plan.

03:46:30.980 It was his usual talking points. I was just surprised. I would have thought you would come

03:46:35.980 in with a strategy to try and salvage what you can out of this. And if anything, as I said,

03:46:41.160 if any leader actually slid backwards, I'm pretty sure it's Singh right now. If there was any soft

03:46:45.300 NDP supporters who were kind of, they liked the NDP, but they were thinking strategically voting

03:46:49.120 for the Liberals and they watched that performance out of Singh, they'd be like, okay, yeah, I'm not

03:46:53.460 going to bother wasting a vote on Singh this time around. Maybe next election cycle, I'll go back

03:46:57.300 to my NDP, but I'm going to throw it to the Liberals right now, which I almost, it starts

03:47:01.420 to make one feel a little bit like it was tactical to support the liberals because

03:47:04.700 that was the best gift to them tonight in a lot of ways yeah but you know that's not the

03:47:11.040 that's a gift that really cost you to look like a clown well yeah i i mean i i you know and i

03:47:17.460 maybe i'm just reading too much into you know uh there's not anything behind it aside from just him

03:47:22.360 being uh not competent at this point because that really was an act of political incompetence up

03:47:28.200 oh he's he's tired it's a tough campaign they don't have any money everybody hates them and

03:47:33.400 they don't like each other so he's been on the bus a lot i mean it's this this is not a happy

03:47:39.160 campaign so i i think he just lost it like you're we talked about him being a mosquito well okay um 0.91

03:47:47.400 they fall back on the most ridiculous uh talking points we were talking earlier about the uh about 0.96

03:47:54.600 the how the the conservatives want to throw away the key on multiple murderers 0.97

03:48:04.120 and he was ended up talking about well how would you approach crime well we need more mental health

03:48:09.000 programs no that's actually not a solution you know it may help some people some of the time

03:48:16.360 it does not address a problem that has become of the scale that crime has become in toronto

03:48:22.760 will say which he should be fairly familiar with but um you know he says ridiculous things

03:48:29.800 yeah well and i mean again refusing to take a strong stance stance on crime then i mean

03:48:34.280 you don't have to you know parrot paulia but read the room a little people living in east van who

03:48:39.000 still vote pretty darned ndp but they're also getting mugged in the night having their cars

03:48:42.840 broken into and looking at the disaster on the streets and these tastings i mean you've got to 0.93

03:48:48.680 to do something to try and salvage some of that support and Sing just didn't seem to have a clue

03:48:52.860 how to. Okay. That's both of you on Sing, I guess. Erica, did he sing a song for you?

03:49:05.980 Well played. I also like that you looked around your glass. I'm a dad and I speak like a dad.

03:49:11.440 you know what I think he actually performed the worst out of anyone and I I don't want to echo

03:49:19.000 what the gentleman already said because I think they're all true it's unfortunate actually for

03:49:25.200 the conservatives how crappy he performed because again there could be that strategic vote it was

03:49:31.760 almost like he's like guys I got my pension don't really care I already crapped the bed by not

03:49:38.000 calling an election in June. I'm already going down in history worse than maybe Trudeau is. So

03:49:43.720 I'm out. Like that was the tone that came into tonight. I thought the interrupting was rude.

03:49:47.680 I thought everyone else actually did a very good job. Carney and Pierre both like kind of signaled

03:49:52.860 the moderator, jumped into the queue appropriately. It was almost just like I've seen things so much

03:49:58.980 better. I think we can all agree last debate, he actually held his own quite a lot more. So I don't,

03:50:05.680 know he's got those skills and he just poorly performed tonight it was like i would say an

03:50:10.720 embarrassment i i don't think if you looked um not knowing what we know about where he needs to

03:50:17.040 strategically steal votes from that it looked like he was just spray and preying on anyone to say

03:50:23.200 anything and and i think what corey was saying about the lack of pivoting um i would say all of

03:50:29.360 the other three pivoted well back to the narrative of what they wanted to cover and things got a very

03:50:34.160 specific narrative like he's got four items that he was talking about with when he tried was like

03:50:41.200 you still need an ndp to hold the government accountable and i think that resonates and i

03:50:46.160 think that's true it's just he didn't pivot back to his message like man you could talk about um

03:50:52.240 public safety and pivot back to what you want to talk about you can talk about energy and

03:50:56.060 pivot back to the environment like you don't have to answer the question um in debates necessarily

03:51:01.400 and yeah the moderator did call people out tonight for that but who cares from sing's perspective

03:51:07.240 what does he have to lose besides get his message and his narrative across and even that i think

03:51:11.920 he's all short of okay um and that then from the department head i i i think we all agreed sing

03:51:22.460 was by far the worst tonight i can't really say based on the french one because it's dubbed i

03:51:28.340 don't know how well they're actually speaking sounded bad too but i you know not i think he

03:51:34.740 actually did a better job last night like singh did on talking about he didn't answer the immigration

03:51:39.720 question though singh didn't frankly answer any questions that i saw him actually come out with

03:51:44.860 like this is the ndp policy this is what we will do i mean the man should scream and shout about

03:51:50.280 standing up for workers and hyper focus on the seats maybe not his own because that might already

03:51:55.220 be gone but the seats of incumbents which i would assume is their strategy is not lose more than

03:52:00.980 we're already losing than we already have and focus on those but it seemed like he again he

03:52:05.380 was like a spray and pray candidate like this was his first debate and his first um national stage

03:52:12.040 which isn't true so i think he regressed from where we saw him last election if he wants to

03:52:17.720 take your course what would it cost him you know what i might give him a discount because man i

03:52:23.420 know what that guy's gonna do after this but maybe not because he's gonna have a nice pension

03:52:28.460 so we'll see i'll take it offline i'll dm him okay um

03:52:34.620 i'm gonna take this down a unpredicted road none of you knew none of you knew i was gonna do this

03:52:40.780 um so we were supposed to have the post debate press scrums today uh nigel i uh because dave 0.84

03:52:50.140 is on vacation dave would normally be in those conversations he's dealing with some uh very

03:52:55.100 pleasant matters in uh his life and um oh i have an update from jen hodgson they're shutting down

03:53:02.940 the press room we're just kicking everyone out democracy at its finest ladies and gentlemen

03:53:07.820 amen um but uh yourself uh jen and i uh worked very deliberately on the questions we're gonna

03:53:18.860 You don't necessarily know what leader you're going to get to ask questions from, but because of what happened yesterday, while I'm sympathetic to a lot of what Ezra said, I was a bit miffed we didn't get a question.

03:53:31.920 So we, as I said earlier on the program, we put, we literally had Jen camp out at the front of the line as if she's trying to get concert tickets to ask the first question.

03:53:43.040 it was going to go

03:53:44.980 Francois Blachet,

03:53:47.220 Jaymeet Singh, Pierre Paulyov, Carney

03:53:48.960 for the order coming out. I think it's done by

03:53:50.940 random draw.

03:53:53.460 We spent some time today

03:53:54.960 figuring, okay,

03:53:56.920 we got one question.

03:53:59.260 Who do we want it to?

03:54:01.720 I think all four were tough.

03:54:03.720 Tough but fair.

03:54:04.940 But we decided, you know what?

03:54:07.440 Pierre Paulyov

03:54:08.160 doesn't get hard accountability

03:54:10.480 from a Western

03:54:12.240 conservative perspective so we're going to put our question up here and it's not going to be a

03:54:16.480 softball but i want to go through the four questions we have here so happy because i was

03:54:21.560 going to make you do that if you didn't yeah i've got them all in front of me here uh written down

03:54:27.460 and uh jen was to give one of these questions to the leaders the objective was to get pierre i think

03:54:34.620 we would have if the press scrub had gone forward her she was under instructions from myself and

03:54:40.480 Nigel to let the other reporters go ahead of her in line until Pierre came out and then she'd take

03:54:45.240 the first question there. But let's go with all four. This was our best attempt to be tough but

03:54:51.900 fair from a very Western perspective, something they're not going to get at a federal government

03:54:56.580 organized debate commission held in Montreal. So here's the Blanchet question. We'll start with

03:55:07.700 that on march 13th you uh blanchette said you believe an appetite for quebec independence will

03:55:14.620 come roaring back once u.s canada relations stabilize some have talked about western

03:55:19.300 independence widely setting issues with quebec and i trust you know what those are roughly 30

03:55:25.500 percent of quebecers won independence and likewise in alberta and saskatchewan depending on who wins

03:55:31.020 in the election and how things play out in the event that quebec does not secede do you support

03:55:35.480 the right of the west to seek the independence and if not why should quebec be allowed to leave

03:55:40.120 in non-canada is this an example of those long preambles or well eric wrote them

03:55:50.600 i'm not sure i can have an outsized influence in it um but i mean like our preambles i think

03:55:55.640 are designed to set context they're not not to make a statement but to set the context

03:56:00.520 that's perspective and opinion i suppose uh fair enough aren't you glad what are you doing

03:56:06.820 holding me accountable this is like your second time on the show i'm on i'm on nigel and cory's 0.68

03:56:12.360 show all the time it's just you know yeah you're on tomorrow too so don't you say everything today

03:56:16.600 yeah i finally got convinced you should be a regular member thanks this is that diversity

03:56:21.640 thing you're talking about right i just got a message from a friend

03:56:24.300 Michelle, our director of operations, just sent me a text saying burn.

03:56:30.480 I don't know if it was a burn against me.

03:56:32.940 Because my red hair or something else.

03:56:34.340 Yeah.

03:56:34.600 I think it was a burn against me.

03:56:35.520 I'll take it as a win.

03:56:36.460 Either way.

03:56:37.840 Fair enough.

03:56:38.540 Okay.

03:56:39.700 That is a question.

03:56:43.180 Blanchett has actually said in the past that Alberta, Saskatchewan do not have a right to secede.

03:56:49.980 I guess as long as Quebec is still stuck in Canada, they need someone to pay the bills.

03:56:54.300 anyone pick that up well you know i i have always regretted the animosity that there is in alberta

03:57:02.300 towards quebec because in so many ways we want the same things and uh we really should be

03:57:07.820 allies in it and i think i think there's a willingness and a readiness in alberta that's

03:57:12.680 not not there in quebec and that's unfortunate but um they basically want to be left alone to

03:57:19.320 do their own thing. Well, guess what? Alberta wants to be left alone to do its own thing.

03:57:24.760 They have a particular way of looking at life and their culture, their language. We don't 0.98

03:57:30.720 share that, but we have our way of looking at things. And there's a real values difference

03:57:34.920 between Central Canada and Western Canada, and I think that's going to be an issue in

03:57:40.360 the election, even though it's not talked about very much.

03:57:43.360 So when it comes to Quebec, I would be very happy to recommend that we work with Quebec

03:57:50.720 to keep the federal government in its constitutional place.

03:57:56.360 Not to secede, not to seek independence, but to make the country work the way that it was

03:58:03.940 supposed and designed to work.

03:58:07.700 It's unfortunate that they don't see it that way, but they do want us to pay their way

03:58:14.160 while we're at it.

03:58:15.640 So there goes the deal.

03:58:18.480 But that's how it could have been.

03:58:21.040 All right.

03:58:21.640 Not everyone needs to chime in.

03:58:23.440 There's four questions here.

03:58:25.220 But anyone else want to chime in on the question we would have asked Blasher?

03:58:28.980 And actually, I should point out that with minor degrees of variance, these were more

03:58:34.480 the questions that were also planned last night if the western standard had not got blocked in 0.95

03:58:39.880 line by all those rebel reporters just to be quick on bullshit like some people have said you know 0.71

03:58:44.160 what's that there's a charm about him people like the guy and i think part of what they like he is 0.90

03:58:48.980 the most transparent honest one of the whole bunch up there he makes no bones about it his first

03:58:53.980 thing before answering a question the first thing is what's best for quebec amen and he doesn't even

03:58:58.700 care he knows the hypocrisy of saying that the equalization should serve us and not the the

03:59:04.180 West. He realizes the hypocrisy of saying we have the right to secede in the West doesn't.

03:59:08.220 He doesn't care. As long as the better outcome of what he's pushing is for Quebec. And we should

03:59:14.960 be learning from the man rather than getting upset with him. And stop apologizing for speaking up for

03:59:19.820 ourselves. Because as I said, people appreciate the honesty out of him, even if they wouldn't vote

03:59:24.920 for him. They like seeing somebody who's just saying it how he feels, even if they don't agree

03:59:29.020 with it. Senator-elect Barutz. Should Alberta and Saskatchewan have its own block? And you know

03:59:39.660 that's not a facetious or joke question. I know. You know me. I know. You know what? I was thinking

03:59:47.700 about that because I think you guys probably covered this, but how Quebec just came out with

03:59:52.840 a very similar fair deal panel that Alberta had presented. Sorry, Quebec doesn't think it's

03:59:58.560 getting a fair deal no this is what's kind of screwed up the premier of alberta talked about

04:00:04.340 that how like they basically think that the taxation process with the federal government

04:00:08.800 um doesn't benefit provinces and they want to re-look at that so they came out with a fair deal

04:00:14.160 um about them collecting the taxes from the federal government and then paying back which

04:00:20.520 means that they're open to like actually looking at the the federal the federal structure um so

04:00:27.260 what I would say is I think as much as we don't love the fact that a lot of our equalization

04:00:32.820 formula benefits Quebec I actually think they're our most strategic partner going forward and that

04:00:38.480 like it is fair I was sitting there being like isn't it wild that we have a party that is allowed

04:00:42.980 to be on a national stage that talks about one province where Borden raised Saskatchewan girl

04:00:49.340 as you can see by my little prairie wall behind us you're flanked by pictures of Alberta

04:00:55.860 Well, there's Alberta, but there's also Saskatchewan.

04:00:59.040 She's talking about Saskatchewan.

04:01:00.980 Alberta on your left, Alberta on your right.

04:01:02.620 Saskatchewan up there.

04:01:03.400 Saskatchewan above.

04:01:04.420 Okay, okay, I see it.

04:01:05.660 But you're literally flanked by two images of Alberta.

04:01:07.920 This one is Saskatchewan.

04:01:08.840 It's a picture from a farm by the way.

04:01:11.120 You're literally surrounded by Alberta.

04:01:13.300 Oh, that's my horse.

04:01:16.560 But what I was going to say, though, is that the fact that we have a cleavage and a regional issue that has our own panels,

04:01:24.660 kind of wild where we're actually experiencing a lot of that and depending on how this federal

04:01:29.320 election plays out we actually will probably maybe look more like back then and ever before with our

04:01:37.660 wanting our distinct society or wanting um our views so i i think it's it's it's doable i think

04:01:43.460 it's actually like next next election maybe we just have that okay yeah so i wanted to bring

04:01:49.520 back to that original question i think you got to it because you got distracted by all of my

04:01:54.480 pretty beautiful images of alberta i was just looking at all hell for a basement called prairies

04:01:59.020 it's a prairie wall yeah it's a good ball no i i do think it's i think it's possible i think we're

04:02:04.220 gonna see i'm actually a liberal government in canada or out like is there a place i think it's

04:02:10.540 gonna be a prairie block i don't think it's necessarily to the jurisdiction of alberta

04:02:15.820 i think there's a lot of people i get messages from friends all the time from saskatchewan that

04:02:20.120 are like if the liberals win we're moving to alberta because you guys are the ones that

04:02:25.660 are frustrated more oh i actually i don't know about that i've been getting messages from

04:02:29.840 my saskatchewan boys the ones who are not exiles to alberta uh people in saskatchewan they're

04:02:37.020 they're feisty like us they're they're actually making us look bad like they're

04:02:41.660 they're leading the charge in some ways yeah okay maybe we just drop a border i it's buffalo baby

04:02:50.780 okay uh here's the question we had for jake meet singh uh your party is polling at levels right

04:02:57.960 now that have it on track for the worst result for the ndp in the history of the country

04:03:01.320 you yourself are at significant risk of losing your own seat uh six months ago you stood a chance

04:03:07.000 of becoming the leader of the opposition and you said that you were running for prime minister at

04:03:10.740 that time you're not talking about running for prime minister anymore at your rallies do you

04:03:15.320 regret not following through on calling an election we said you're ripping up their agreement 0.99

04:03:19.160 and do you intend to remain leader if you lose your own seat i now i know that's a bit of a jerk 0.79

04:03:26.520 question it's a like it's a me it's a mean question but i i think it's fair he is leading 0.92

04:03:36.400 them to their potential worst result ever

04:03:38.260 in the polls, and projections

04:03:40.320 in his own seat have him at significant

04:03:42.520 risk of losing it. Not guaranteed, but

04:03:44.300 significant.

04:03:46.180 Any takers?

04:03:47.840 If you're a Jagmeet, anyone want to play the role of Jagmeet

04:03:50.400 Singh in our make-believe

04:03:52.420 press conference? I don't take

04:03:54.280 questions from the Western Standard.

04:03:57.480 Worked well for Rachel Notley.

04:03:58.760 That's what he did last night with the record.

04:04:00.720 Yeah.

04:04:02.500 Whether he stays

04:04:04.380 own leader if he loses his seat or if he just plain loses the party won't be his decision

04:04:11.260 there'll be a leadership review and away they go and so everybody will be calling for his head

04:04:18.840 okay yeah i don't think he was going to ask that but can i throw another question at

04:04:25.640 the group is that may 1st right after the federal election when the ndp is probably in dumpster fire

04:04:32.820 federally the alberta ndp will actually be talking about their relationship at their convention with

04:04:40.420 um with the federal party so what do you guys think that's going to look like based on what

04:04:45.220 we're seeing right now it's going to look a lot like what the what the legal paperwork says because

04:04:51.060 they may well want to disassociate themselves with the uh with the national party because the national

04:04:56.660 but it isn't really a national party that's an organic when you join the when you join the

04:05:03.540 alberta constitutionally bound yeah they're in their constitution party so if they actually

04:05:09.700 want to split away there's a whole larger discussion that's going to have to happen there

04:05:13.940 yeah but i think nitsche has wanted to and he's had a hard time with the ndp loyal though within

04:05:18.900 on that but if if sing's dynamiting the federal party and and nitsche can make a convincing case

04:05:25.320 that, look, that's an anvil around our necks.

04:05:27.760 We could still support our federal

04:05:29.300 party, but it's time that we kind of decoupled

04:05:31.340 like other parties do. I think

04:05:33.420 he's going to have a stronger case after this election

04:05:35.320 than he did six months ago.

04:05:37.140 I just want to point out...

04:05:38.980 Can he do it? I just want to point out

04:05:41.440 that Alberta

04:05:43.220 NDP members like Nahid

04:05:45.360 Benji who want to leave the federal NDP

04:05:47.320 like disassociate themselves

04:05:48.920 and be their own thing, their own party

04:05:51.380 separate. They're separatists.

04:05:53.920 Those are Alberta socialists

04:05:55.300 separatists. They want to separate from the Federal Socialist Party and be their own

04:05:59.620 independent Alberta Socialist Party. I mean, how much further do they have to move along to get

04:06:06.280 on board with us? I mean, I think we just call them federal liberals, but you do you, Derek.

04:06:14.300 Okay. Yeah, just not a lot to talk about. Okay. This is the question that we expected to ask

04:06:22.520 today as i said jen hodgson was at the front of the line uh she was under instructions from the 0.56

04:06:29.180 newsroom here to uh allow other journalists even though she's at the very front allow other 0.99

04:06:34.560 journalists to go ahead of her ask questions of singh and blanchette so that she could get the 0.99

04:06:39.920 first question of polyev because he doesn't really get many questions the conservative

04:06:45.740 politicians in general but polyev does not get many questions holding holding them accountable

04:06:51.740 from a very Western conservative perspective.

04:06:55.280 And that's what this was designed to be.

04:06:56.720 It's meant to be very tough, but fair.

04:06:59.260 Question was, Quebec got $14 billion in equalization last year,

04:07:04.040 paid for primarily by taxpayers in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and B.C.

04:07:09.440 Premier Danielle Smith, in her list of demands last month,

04:07:14.340 said Alberta is no longer agreeable to subsidizing other large provinces

04:07:17.740 who are fully capable of funding themselves.

04:07:21.240 You can infer that means Quebec.

04:07:24.140 You said last night at the French debate

04:07:27.140 that you will not make any significant changes to equalization.

04:07:31.820 Beyond improving the ability to build pipelines,

04:07:34.880 why should Westerners vote for you

04:07:36.840 if you're committed to maintaining the liberal status quo on equalization?

04:07:41.340 um i mean he's better unlike say erin o'toole polyev is definitively better on a lot of the

04:07:53.500 issues than uh so pure poly is better on the issues than erin o'toole but he's still not

04:08:01.480 willing to touch the big issues equalization senate representation even house of commons

04:08:06.960 representation for our population um things like that uh yet he's obviously still leading

04:08:14.920 the west he's the west best chance in this election um hey anyone want to take up how

04:08:22.040 should alia answer a question like that if he had got it tonight well there's two ways i mean he said

04:08:27.380 how should he answer it i mean from an albertan perspective it would be that you know equalization

04:08:32.540 is a terribly unfair program that really hasn't brought provinces out of a rut as it's been in

04:08:37.540 for 60 years now and hasn't succeeded. So maybe it's time to re-examine it. He won't say that

04:08:42.540 though. How would he answer it? Would be with a broad word salad, to be honest, because that's

04:08:48.300 the only politically expedient thing to do. No federal candidate for leader is going to say that

04:08:53.320 they're going to cut equalization. It would be cutting their own throat in the Maritimes in 0.58

04:08:56.580 Quebec and they just won't touch it. I despise that. That's part of why I'm the independence 0.93

04:09:02.000 minded guy that i am but uh you know speaking strategically he'd be a fool to say he was going

04:09:06.560 to change it yeah i mean that's often the case with conservative causes the left has made them

04:09:13.760 hard to speak in public so conservative politicians won't give you any leadership

04:09:19.920 they won't give you any leadership on equalization they won't give you any leadership on abortion

04:09:26.080 it's just one of those things you have to hold your nose and vote for the guy who's the least

04:09:30.960 worst that's where we are uh erica um i'm gonna sound like a moderate on this but on this uh this

04:09:40.640 panel um you know i always look at it like what would i if i was briefing the leader and i think

04:09:46.880 the biggest thing he could say for western canada would be like we're gonna get the hell out of your

04:09:52.560 lane um equalization i would pivot away from given the fact that you're right like it would alienate

04:10:00.560 in a general election, and that's a post-election conversation. And I think we all know that

04:10:05.640 being from Western Canada, we're not expecting a leader, or at least realistically expecting

04:10:11.180 a leader to come out hard on equalization reform. Listen, I personally biased, I'd love

04:10:16.560 Senate reform to be on there. But I think the one thing that he could do that would earn a lot of

04:10:23.200 good faith from those prairie provinces, especially, is that he would come out hard saying the federal

04:10:30.260 government has no business in provincial jurisdiction, and we are going to get the

04:10:34.780 hell out of your lane to let you thrive. And let's get our energy and natural resources to

04:10:42.180 Tidewater, I think would actually resonate without needing to have that equalization

04:10:47.400 formula conversation with Albertan, Saskatchewan, any of the prairie provinces. So I would advise

04:10:55.620 him to pivot because we're just looking for a nugget, not all the nuggets right now.

04:11:02.680 Okay. So the Carney question we had planned, I mean, the guy, we saw it in the debate tonight.

04:11:12.240 We saw it last night. We've seen it throughout the campaign so far. And ever since he was running

04:11:18.540 for the liberal leader.

04:11:20.940 The guy

04:11:21.920 is just speaking out of both

04:11:24.520 sides of his mouth on energy

04:11:26.420 development resources, pipelines.

04:11:28.920 He's using very

04:11:30.740 intelligent

04:11:32.380 political language

04:11:34.200 to appeal to both sides.

04:11:36.640 He's saying

04:11:37.300 we've got to be independent

04:11:40.380 on energy, develop Canadian energy.

04:11:44.880 He gets asked, does Quebec

04:11:46.420 have a veto? He says no.

04:11:48.540 But the provinces get, we can't do anything without the provinces, even though it's a federal pipeline, it's a federal jurisdiction, very clearly.

04:11:57.720 His message is wishy-washy.

04:11:59.700 So that's the context of the question we had planned for him.

04:12:02.800 We said that last night he stated his support for continuing the Trudeau equalization program.

04:12:11.320 This year, taxpayers in BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan are disproportionately paying to give Quebec nearly $14 billion.

04:12:16.960 Your comments around building future pipelines and what you intend to replace the consumer carbon tax with have been ambiguous and unclear.

04:12:25.380 How do you intend to continue to pay $14 billion to Quebec and for your other election promises if you're intent on continuing your predecessor's policies that are harmful to the ability of the West to fund federal programs?

04:12:43.760 It's a nice little wedge there in Quebec.

04:12:48.080 Yeah, and he has successfully been able to speak out of both sides of his mouth on this

04:12:54.320 one.

04:12:55.320 Well, I was saying earlier that this particular few hours during which the leaders debate

04:13:02.240 each other is what a tremendous number of people will base their opinions on.

04:13:07.840 If they haven't been following the backstory about the pipelines, about Quebec's position

04:13:13.360 on pipelines that they don't want any, they are going to take him at face value and make

04:13:19.520 a decision based on whether they like him or not.

04:13:23.560 It's unfortunate, but he's getting away with it.

04:13:25.520 That's why we constantly in the Western Standard pages have been bringing forward the full

04:13:31.160 history of what Mr. Carney has said and what he has done and what he has written in his own words

04:13:39.260 in this book, Values. And truly, we're doing you a favor by, you don't have to read it because

04:13:46.260 one of us took the fall when dead. Anyone else want to pick up on, you know,

04:13:54.200 it's a question we've actually, in other forms, asked Carney already at press conferences with

04:13:59.720 our reporters um but anyone else want to pick up on that but he's he's very successfully spoken out

04:14:05.960 of both sides of his mouth i think he got away with it again tonight uh oh absolutely yeah did

04:14:13.260 you guys talk about derek just asking uh yes and saying it yes or no would you repeal c69

04:14:20.200 yeah we've asked him no and what was his yeah he won't he says no but he's gonna build pipelines

04:14:26.860 but you're not going to effectively be able to build pipelines with it.

04:14:32.280 I mean, so I can tell from all of the answers I've seen.

04:14:35.520 I mean, I wish we had Sean Polzer, our energy and business reporter here,

04:14:38.700 but we've dismissed him for the night.

04:14:42.300 The best I can tell is if you're taking the man at face value

04:14:45.340 and he's not being disingenuous about anything he's saying,

04:14:52.160 he would amend Bill C-69.

04:14:55.040 the so-called no more pipelines act so i mean i don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility

04:15:02.960 that he would he has not said he'll amend it he has just said he won't repeal it but he's

04:15:07.840 gonna build pipelines but then in the next sentence well we're not necessarily going to

04:15:12.960 build pipelines well we need to get one high end from indigenous groups and we need to get

04:15:16.720 by which means they won't get built so it won't get built yeah so i i mean rhetorically it sounds

04:15:23.600 less extreme maybe you just ask him what c60 like if he can explain to canadians what c69 bill

04:15:30.240 entails i don't know he actually seems to he actually talked about it tonight i i think the

04:15:34.480 guy actually understands that piece of legislation he is not he is jekyll and hyde very jekyll and

04:15:40.400 hyde in how he yeah you know to take it and polish a turd i mean he won't give up on that bill he

04:15:50.320 knows exactly what's in that bill and he actually spins it to say that bill will facilitate the

04:15:54.880 construction of lines it's the lines that trudeau used to give on that bill as well which we know

04:15:59.520 that it did since that bill was brought in it has done nothing but large projects ever since it's

04:16:05.120 been brought in but as much as people call out i mean you know the the terms has not been used for

04:16:09.440 a bit but there's truth to that there's he's got that teflon quality and it doesn't matter it

04:16:13.440 doesn't stick to him he can bs and people do call him out on it uh polyev has called him out on that

04:16:19.680 it last night quite a bit it doesn't matter it just doesn't seem to matter people believe the

04:16:24.720 man even if well i think that's what happens though unfortunately when you are not on either

04:16:29.280 end of the spectrum but the mushy middle that there is um sometimes earmuffs that happen and

04:16:36.080 so i think that realistically that's what the conservatives need to know and i think that's why

04:16:40.800 pierre kept saying c69 tonight if we're going to talk about like repetition and the benefit of that

04:16:46.000 he did say that bill and i think in hopes of talking to voters not to carney because i don't

04:16:52.040 i think you're right i don't think he's going to ever um veer away from liberal policies like he

04:16:59.200 wouldn't even take accountability there was one point where he was talking about how he didn't

04:17:03.860 agree with the tactics on gun um the gun buyback policy and it was like the half baked i don't love

04:17:11.580 it but it's you know it's still our policy um he's very wishy-washy he's very jekyll and hyde

04:17:17.660 i wish that there was a longer rip period so that canadians could see that but they're just

04:17:22.400 seeing snapshots so i think pierre played it well of just reminding canadians about c69 and the no

04:17:28.360 more pipelines act strategically anyway mr connie erica has been very consistent over a large number

04:17:36.820 of years about his belief that the earth is going to fry because we're putting too much carbon in

04:17:42.900 the atmosphere and um to think that you read his book a lot of people didn't to think that he would

04:17:51.540 have yeah well it's not just his book it goes all the way back to his tenure at the bank of england

04:17:56.020 there was one significant uh interview that he gave back in 20 i think it was 2011 to lloyds of

04:18:01.620 london insurers and basically said look you guys are all going to go bust through climate change

04:18:07.780 accidents you need to be de-insuring people now uh and so he like this he goes back 15 years on

04:18:15.380 this stuff so the idea that oh well now i'm going to be prime minister of canada i have to have a

04:18:20.420 more even-handed approach no the whole point of him becoming the prime minister of canada

04:18:25.540 in his mind is so that he can advance this agenda now he's not going to tell you that

04:18:31.220 but you can impute it from the fact that when he is put on the spot you say well you say you're

04:18:36.340 going to build pipelines but then you put these conditions on it it's pretty obvious

04:18:41.140 you don't expect to be building any pipelines so the liberals are like we could all take a

04:18:47.380 lesson from liberals of how not to answer a question how to be like shiny object over here

04:18:53.460 um strategically because they do it and i don't know how they get away with it but they seem to

04:19:00.100 like to Corey's point, it's Teflon. So what do we, what do we do in the next 10 days to get

04:19:06.440 that message out? And I, I don't know if the conservative headquarters will be able to get

04:19:13.400 that across line or not. We'll see what happens in the next 10, 11 days. Okay. I want to talk

04:19:19.320 about the justice section of the debate. Now, some of that had to do with guns, some of that

04:19:26.340 with crime. Carney said, you can't be tough on crime unless you're tough on guns. I don't know

04:19:34.060 the toughest thing on crime actually tends to be guns, I would say. That's not here or there though,

04:19:39.680 I guess. But a lot of it focused around use of the notwithstanding clause. Pierre Polyeva said

04:19:46.500 he is willing to use the notwithstanding clause preemptively on legislation for consecutive

04:19:55.540 sentences on major crimes like like murder and rape and stuff right now you essentially you get

04:20:01.200 uh you can get a three for one deal you kill three people well you get three uh your sentences

04:20:06.980 are are not concurrent they're uh congruent uh what's consecutive concurrent you're either

04:20:14.860 yeah so if you have 10 years to 10 years they go in 10 years as opposed to 10 plus 10 yeah whatever

04:20:20.380 that word is yeah yeah yeah um so you're doing 20 years or 10 years whatever it is 0.98

04:20:27.340 all at the same time yeah you get like eight for the price of one yeah so if you're gonna kill one 0.98

04:20:32.940 i mean if you're if you're if you're committing a robbery in a home and you kill the dad well you 0.99

04:20:38.020 may as well shoot the wife in for a penny in for a pound yeah you might yeah like it's the same 1.00

04:20:42.280 sentence it's absolutely freaking madness i mean sometimes it's almost funny you know you see 0.99

04:20:47.860 sentencing in the States and they sentenced you to

04:20:49.940 you know, 10,000

04:20:52.120 years plus purgatory or

04:20:53.860 something like that

04:20:54.760 it's almost

04:20:57.000 comical, but it's like

04:20:59.020 actually I kind of like it, he's willing to use

04:21:01.980 the notwithstanding clause for it

04:21:03.340 all of the other parties are against

04:21:06.040 it

04:21:06.400 and Mark Carney

04:21:09.000 we talked about this earlier

04:21:11.520 the, you know

04:21:13.420 he's obviously opposed to it

04:21:15.660 Blanchet, Singh opposed to it

04:21:17.820 But, you know, Pauly, I've had a good comeback on that.

04:21:22.640 He's like, I want to defend Canadians from criminals.

04:21:25.120 You want to defend turkeys from hunters.

04:21:27.620 It was a good line.

04:21:28.580 It kind of encapsulated things, I think.

04:21:30.500 But Carney tried to position himself as the defender of Canadians' rights and freedoms.

04:21:37.140 Yet it is his party leading the government and him explicitly speaking up at the time that strongly supported using the War Measures or Emergencies Act, which has been ruled clearly unconstitutional, the use of that act at that time for that purpose, for the Freedom Convoy.

04:21:59.300 How do you, you know, maybe it'll play different out east,

04:22:03.180 but how does he square positioning himself as the defender of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms

04:22:08.680 when he supported its most gross abuse and end run around it in the history of the country,

04:22:16.720 as long as we've had a charter?

04:22:18.840 Because most people don't make that connection.

04:22:21.240 You can say that.

04:22:23.300 I mean, that's just one of the moments in this evening's debate when actually Pierre scored one.

04:22:28.420 apart from the turkey the turkey line he just he just said you you want to defend rights i wanted

04:22:36.020 of criminals i want to defend the rights of the people who uh who were murdered you know there

04:22:41.700 has to be a consequence and i think most people get that well he just keeps saying oh well you

04:22:46.660 know i've only been a prime minister for a month unless he used to work everything prior to that

04:22:50.100 isn't his fault he's just been the prime minister for a month even though he's on the record

04:22:53.940 supporting the use doesn't matter he wasn't the prime minister yeah i mean that's the line he's

04:22:58.180 using and the thing that's making me rip my thinning hair out that it's working so i that's

04:23:05.940 going to be his response and until i see something different in the response from people or in the

04:23:11.060 polls or something uh he's going to keep doing it i mean if it works you do it people's memories

04:23:17.460 don't go that far back i mean you think it's working nigel like you just said i well the 0.99

04:23:22.740 The polls, according to the polls, it is.

04:23:26.020 I still don't trust the polls, but according to the polls, he's doing very well.

04:23:30.740 People are buying it.

04:23:31.720 I'm actually a bit more Canadian pollsters.

04:23:34.260 I mean, one individual firm can be wrong, but when you take them all in aggregate, it'd definitely be better.

04:23:38.560 I mean, like, you know, we had that Iowa poll showing that Kamala Harris was going to win Iowa.

04:23:43.000 I was like, all right, that person's on drugs.

04:23:45.780 Write that off.

04:23:47.020 But the polling consensus is, yeah, no, the liberals are winning right now.

04:23:52.740 How, I guess this is a good segue to where I want to go next, which is how, you know, Carney said at one point, to paraphrase, I know you say to Paulio, I know you wish you were running against Justin Trudeau, which I think is true.

04:24:11.500 Yes.

04:24:12.540 Of course he wishes he was running against Trudeau.

04:24:15.400 But I'm not Justin Trudeau.

04:24:18.400 So, therefore, everything you say, you know, I'm rubber, you're glue,

04:24:21.680 whatever you say, bounces off me and sticks to you.

04:24:25.280 Erica.

04:24:26.240 Do we still have Erica?

04:24:28.360 No?

04:24:29.320 Do we not have Erica?

04:24:30.540 No?

04:24:31.780 Okay, we'll see if we can get Erica back in. 1.00

04:24:33.880 Corey.

04:24:36.160 Did Pauly have successfully connect?

04:24:39.940 Carney?

04:24:40.900 to Trudeau tonight? I mean, obviously, they're connected. And he tried to make that connection.

04:24:45.920 You know, the website still says, you haven't even updated the website, still says you're the

04:24:48.900 economic advisor to Trudeau. How successful was Pauliev in connecting and tying Carney to Trudeau?

04:24:57.440 I think he's as successful as he can be. He tried, you know, a couple of times. And hopefully some

04:25:02.400 of that sticks to people. As others said, it's the name that must not be uttered. You know,

04:25:05.700 you notice the Liberals, one thing they've been surprising, and it means that Trudeau was at

04:25:10.640 least uh cooperative about is he disappeared he has completely dropped off the planet for this

04:25:15.680 month and they've just politely asked him can you go somewhere sunny and stay away from cameras and

04:25:20.180 microphones and everything until this campaign's over with and he's done it he has disappeared and

04:25:24.960 again it works right people are forgetting uh so uh we'll see i mean it's worth pierre kind of

04:25:32.180 trying to keep bringing that up keep bringing it up okay justin's gone but the whole rest of his

04:25:36.020 rotten team is still there uh hopefully voters remember that you know there was more to that

04:25:41.060 party than just justin justin was just the most annoying part of it uh nigel did uh let me ask 0.94

04:25:50.240 the question kind of in uh from the the mirror image did carney successfully manage to not wear

04:25:57.380 justin trudeau time with people who have been following this not at all with people for whom

04:26:05.680 this is the only politics they're going to get between the dropping of the

04:26:09.520 rip and the going to the polls. Yes. So, you know,

04:26:14.200 I figure you're correct. Yeah.

04:26:17.340 Okay. Well, I hate shutting it down.

04:26:21.560 We've got so many bloody people watching, but, Oh,

04:26:25.700 I was going to say I had to work tomorrow. I guess I don't.

04:26:27.600 Good Friday. You got to work. Uh, well, you know,

04:26:30.480 Western standard, even non-work days.

04:26:32.420 So if you want another hour and a half of it, tune in tomorrow at 11 o'clock.

04:26:35.940 Poor John is going to be coming in.

04:26:38.220 Are you working?

04:26:39.320 Yes.

04:26:39.660 You guys are working?

04:26:40.800 Okay.

04:26:41.280 And also, you guys can't see, but our producer, John, last name unpronounceable to an Alberta boy like me.

04:26:50.460 But John has been doing a fantastic job as our new audiovisual producer at Standard.

04:26:59.720 I'm going to put a pin in it.

04:27:00.840 We've got a lot of people.

04:27:01.560 We've got a ton.

04:27:02.420 people watching right now but i don't want to abuse your attention um go watch um i'm going

04:27:08.820 to say something you're never going to hear again go watch the cbc just just just not because you're

04:27:13.700 going to get anything good out of it but because you should watch the other perspective see what

04:27:18.740 those kinds of people have to say uh just just people you people you people you people go see

04:27:28.020 Tell me what you people have to say.

04:27:30.100 Just see their perspective.

04:27:31.180 If you haven't had your junkies who haven't had your fill of politics for the night,

04:27:37.480 I've had my fill of politics.

04:27:38.840 I've got to go home.

04:27:39.980 One of my kids is already asleep.

04:27:42.220 Oh, geez, both of them are probably asleep.

04:27:44.060 But I've got to go at least give them a hug.

04:27:46.800 So, Nigel, Corey, thank you very much.

04:27:50.540 Producer John, fantastic job.

04:27:54.220 Jen, who's not with us to the stream anymore, she's in Montreal,

04:27:56.660 Ellen, she's off doing the written version of the story.

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Western Standard - April 18, 2025

Federal leaders' debate

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