Western Standard - Federal leaders' French-language debate

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00:23:30.000 Thank you.

00:24:00.000 It doesn't need to suffer fear, nor instrumentize fear at political ends.

00:24:04.500 Mr. Tsing, conclusion, then it will be a debate.

00:24:07.500 It's a question of priority.

00:24:10.500 And for me, it's the time to invest, not to cut.

00:24:13.500 It's the time to protect what is dear to us,

00:24:16.500 like our agriculture, our culture, the French language,

00:24:20.000 not to sacrifice us.

00:24:21.500 It's the time to defend who we are.

00:24:24.500 What are our values?

00:24:26.000 And as I said, a profound value for us,

00:24:28.000 See.

00:24:58.000 So, I ask you the question, which of you first is capable of standing up to Donald Trump?

00:25:09.000 Mr. Poilier.

00:25:11.000 I am, because I'm going to put Canada first.

00:25:14.000 I will never compromise Canada's interests, and I will control what we can control here.

00:25:23.000 Obviously, no one will be able to control the decisions of Donald Trump,

00:25:27.000 But we can control our economy, our domestic economy, by overturning liberal economic policies that have weakened our country and made us more dependent on the Americans.

00:25:41.000 The issue is, Mr. Paulyeh, you would make Canada more like the United States.

00:25:46.000 That's not true.

00:25:47.000 You would Americanize our healthcare system, privatize it.

00:25:50.000 That's not true.

00:25:51.000 Everyone knows that's what conservatives do. 0.93

00:25:53.000 That's not true.

00:25:54.000 Mr. Carney, you said that you're better?

00:25:56.000 all right first of all i know how to negotiate and i agree with mr singh we need to start by

00:26:05.360 saying what's never going to be on the table the french language quebec's culture and supply

00:26:10.720 management will never be on the table our resources that's the first thing second

00:26:16.800 in terms of mr blanchet's point the opportunities that we have with the european union are there

00:26:25.920 and i've already started building new relationships with the european union as prime minister i met

00:26:33.280 with the president of france and with the president of the european commission there's a

00:26:38.640 lot to unpack in there let's be honest and perhaps it's right you say that you're an expert in

00:26:45.200 managing a crisis but you say you're a negotiator but well perhaps negotiate with tax havens but

00:26:53.520 when it comes to trade agreements i haven't seen the proof we apparently have to believe you with

00:26:59.200 no political experience and so i find this kind of funny because people say we have to unite and work

00:27:04.080 together on the one hand you have never spoken to me before this evening you're not trying to

00:27:11.760 figure out how to collaborate between equals quebec canada mexico european partners

00:27:17.360 you're trying to score divisive points that only serves the united states of america all right

00:27:25.360 i've just started as prime minister i've been prime minister for a month in the first week

00:27:32.000 i signed an agreement with the premiers of all the provinces the premier of quebec and the

00:27:38.320 premiers of all the provinces and territories concerning free trade within canada it's also

00:27:44.340 agreement that deals with trade corridors that's an example that's an example haven't sat with any

00:27:50.260 premiers you've sat with mps that will be elected at the same level if you're elected

00:27:57.140 the problem mr carney is that your party has been in power for 10 years and in that time

00:28:05.700 it's not meetings that are going to change things it's your policies that have blocked

00:28:11.540 resources c69 which blocks not just pipelines but also dams mines and liquid national gas

00:28:22.020 exploration we have a deal with europe a trade deal the conservatives negotiated it but liberal

00:28:29.780 legislation has prevented development and you continue to support those laws those laws need

00:28:36.340 to be repealed and replaced with laws that will unleash our resources and allow us to export

00:28:43.220 abroad and allow us to become truly economically and talk about that later sovereign and you know

00:28:53.300 mr carney unfortunately your priority is well you had time to meet with the king but you did not

00:29:01.620 increase the amount of money people receive when they lose their jobs due to the trade war

00:29:06.340 these days people receiving ei get maybe half of their salary for people who have already lost

00:29:15.400 their jobs that is not enough it won't cover the bills it won't cover their rental costs

00:29:19.840 that shows your priorities for me workers are number one we need a system to support our workers

00:29:26.680 we'll hear some in a few seconds but mr Carney response and then I have another question for

00:29:31.600 first of all we need to fight in a trade war we need to fight with counter tariffs and all the

00:29:39.520 money collected from our counter tariffs will go directly to workers and the businesses that are

00:29:45.240 the most affected by this trade war they won't be used for tax cuts the way that mr poliev is going

00:29:53.220 to do you always want to increase them you're a liberal we want to cut taxes started as prime

00:29:59.400 minister for a fourth liberal term i've just started you were justin trudeau's economic advisor

00:30:06.600 have you forgotten that honestly let me cut in here both of them would cut taxes for billionaires

00:30:16.040 and millionaires they have already done it in the past the first your first step was to reduce taxes

00:30:26.280 for the millionaires pierre paulia would do the same thing that's not you're not thinking of

00:30:29.320 regular people we've cut the consumer carbon tax mr cheng mr blanchet you're we've been telling

00:30:36.760 canadians for several days that it would be better to have a minority government you said it clearly

00:30:47.800 with trump can canadians not want a majority government that's stronger i don't know where

00:30:52.920 that reasoning comes the minority government would be weaker than a majority government

00:31:00.440 tell that to the germans who have only governed through coalitions 0.97

00:31:03.560 coalitions recently many countries have coalitions and if that is the population of the people

00:31:08.120 then great at this point it's possible that canadians and quebecers perhaps 0.99

00:31:16.520 choose to trust in someone who has the least experience in politics

00:31:22.920 quebec has a different economy different interests different everything

00:31:30.200 we want a parliament where our economic difference is taken into account let's talk a little bit

00:31:39.720 the whole point of a minority government is to help people to make a difference in people's lives

00:31:45.400 But honestly, Mr. Blanchet, unfortunately, in the last minority government, you showed that you were as useless as the monarchy is.

00:31:57.780 You did nothing for people.

00:31:59.660 What is worse, you voted against measures that would help Quebecers.

00:32:03.720 Dental care, pharma care.

00:32:06.700 These are measures that have helped hundreds of thousands of Quebecers.

00:32:11.800 Quebec jurisdiction, dental care, health care, pharma care, money that we send to Ottawa.

00:32:20.920 Ottawa does not have the expertise or its jurisdiction. Quebec does.

00:32:25.560 Mr. Rouen, Mr. Rouen, please let me finish one sentence.

00:32:29.320 Please wrap it up.

00:32:30.840 When we want to be effective, we give the money to the experts, those who have the legal jurisdiction to spend the money.

00:32:37.100 and that is quebec in this case the ndp gave two billion dollars to a insurance company

00:32:44.140 giving money until now but mr carney in terms of the minority government

00:32:54.140 we are in a crisis the most serious crisis of our lives we need to react with resounding

00:33:02.780 overwhelming strength yes we need to cut a few taxes yes we need to cut bureaucracy but the

00:33:09.260 government needs to act in a time of crisis so we need to have a government ready to act

00:33:16.060 but when you were justin trudeau's economic advisor you weakened our economy we need economic

00:33:23.100 sovereignty and that means bringing back production to canada and i would reverse

00:33:31.660 liberal policies around development i would uh expedite construction permits

00:33:39.180 we would have pre-approved permits and that would and i would also make sure that we could

00:33:48.300 send our energy to europe to break europeans dependence on putin on poutine and to break our

00:33:57.900 dependence on the u.s conservatives and the liberals both prioritize the ultra-rich not you

00:34:03.260 not regular we have a segment on that that's the difference we have a segment on energy and pipelines

00:34:08.300 so we'll come back to that later there are people who are watching us who are concerned

00:34:13.340 there will be negotiations with the americans obviously what well you'll all say supply

00:34:20.780 management here but i'd like to say that canada gave up market shares during the last three trade

00:34:27.420 deal negotiations uh we're talking about more than 450 million a year in losses for canadian farmers

00:34:36.540 so what is something you wouldn't concede in negotiation defend supply management i will

00:34:41.660 defend the french language i will defend our health care system i will defend our decisions

00:34:49.260 and our laws we will always be sovereign and the way we're going to restore that sovereignty

00:34:54.860 canadian sovereignty is by making our economy stronger we need to cut red tape by 25 for

00:35:04.940 businesses we need to reduce development charges taxes on housing we need to support

00:35:12.860 labor and energy and domestic production that's how we can be more

00:35:17.980 sovereign management in the face of the it's nice to say supply management but

00:35:23.660 we've said it three times and it hasn't been done so well this is the first time

00:35:29.020 that i will be at the table if i'm elected as prime minister

00:35:36.700 i've said a number of times and since the beginning of my campaign in maurice

00:35:41.420 we'll never touch supply management we won't put quebec culture or the french language on the table

00:35:46.780 and i think we all agree on that point and that's important we have to be very clear

00:35:52.380 from the beginning when talking to the americans one area that we don't agree on is that

00:36:01.260 pierre paulia would cut not true our healthcare system you said it everyone knows it you said

00:36:05.420 that you want to cut you would cut dental care not true pharma care you called them bad ideas

00:36:11.020 and unfortunately mr carney's plan to budget the operating budget in three years

00:36:18.460 would lead to 43 billion dollars in the next segment

00:36:23.500 cost of living we'll talk about tax cuts later and choices and we will underscore that none of you

00:36:31.340 has a table they costed plan these are just promises mr blanche on we have tabled a program

00:36:38.860 first of all second of all we are not the ones who decide that what's on the table if mr trump

00:36:43.820 says i want to talk about this no one will be able to stop him from at least talking about it

00:36:50.140 we've never sacrificed the principle of supply management so it's empty words little bits have

00:36:55.580 been sacrificed every single time at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars every single time

00:37:00.460 all mr trump wants is a wave of wisconsin milk with hormones with no protection against antibiotics

00:37:10.700 what would you do concrete we will bring back an act that everyone approved the liberals before

00:37:17.420 carnegie approved it everyone had approved it but then there were certain intrigues with

00:37:21.260 unelected senators there's a number of unelected and members of uh parliament that seem to be

00:37:26.860 making decisions what would protect better well maybe i agree with that law but my point my point

00:37:35.340 is that we need to invest in canada our plan which will be unveiled this weekend will catalyze 500

00:37:46.780 billion dollars 500 billion dollars of investment in canada over the next five years and that

00:37:55.340 That will be important in our negotiations with Mr. Trump.

00:37:59.400 I'd like us to listen to a worker together from Stellantis.

00:38:04.500 For him, this crisis with the U.S. is very clear.

00:38:08.540 He's just lost his job.

00:38:11.460 I was laid off by Stellantis because of the trade war with the U.S.

00:38:16.540 How will your government stop Mr. Trump from attacking our industries one by one?

00:38:22.820 And how will you protect our jobs?

00:38:30.240 Concrete measures, how will you help workers?

00:38:32.980 You all have different proposals.

00:38:34.200 Mr. Proyev.

00:38:35.320 First of all, I already announced a fund to help companies keep jobs, to keep workers in their jobs,

00:38:45.960 because the priority of workers is to keep working.

00:38:49.580 secondly there will be ei to protect people who are having who have fallen on rough times

00:38:57.020 i will be there for people who've lost their jobs at the same time we need to stimulate

00:39:02.700 investment to strengthen our economy and to encourage new companies we need to unleash our

00:39:11.180 natural resources and we need to create more jobs in resource industries we also want to create more

00:39:19.660 jobs for trades people at a time when they need work to build new houses let's stay on workers

00:39:26.220 mr singh if a business wants to sell cars in canada they should be required to have a factory

00:39:35.580 in canada a presence in canada and i would put this in a law we are a major market if you want

00:39:42.540 to sell jobs sell here you should create jobs here and let me add the first thing mr paulie

00:39:48.460 have said in 2022 when he became conservative leader is that he would cut ai contributions

00:39:58.860 it is not credible that he would increase support to people when he talked about eliminating

00:40:02.860 contributions for workers you've said you want to go back to a pandemic style wage subsidy the

00:40:09.980 principle of that we said that even before the campaign to paraphrase mr poilier the eye is

00:40:18.460 fairly broken people have difficulty accessing it and i disagree with mr khani's suggestion to say

00:40:23.100 that money will be invested in training you've lost your job but we're going to train you and

00:40:27.740 you can have another kick at a can at the age of 55 not a good idea the idea of the wage

00:40:36.380 subsidy would was by keeping was to allow the the worker to have a link to their job by giving them

00:40:44.860 a subsidy so that the employer should they want to could rehire them someone who had the skill to

00:40:50.940 to do the job so there would be a transitional period where there could be temporary job losses

00:40:56.700 like for the case we just heard well first of all three things all the money from our counter tariffs

00:41:03.900 will go directly to workers second we have a strategic fund for manufacturing in canada

00:41:12.940 specifically for the auto sector and third our counter-tariff system for the automotive sector

00:41:18.940 contains an incentive of seven billion dollars for the automakers to keep production and workers

00:41:28.100 here in Canada. That's very important. But the reason that we've done all of this is so that we

00:41:35.320 can have strong positions to negotiate with Trump. Just to conclude, I think we need to encourage

00:41:43.860 canadians to buy canadian made cars and that's why as long as there are tariffs we will scrap

00:41:51.140 the gst on cars and trucks that are built here mainly built here in canada

00:42:00.660 i think the tariff is uh is a good idea we what allows companies to buy and sell more than yes i

00:42:09.460 do agree with that approach 70 percent mr paulie have copied our idea we announced the gst lifting

00:42:17.300 for canadian made cars before him now there are a lot of things that are in all of your

00:42:21.700 platforms we'll come back to that now 70 of canadians say that they're buying fewer american

00:42:27.540 products it's a big number you leaders could you please name me one made in usa product that you

00:42:36.260 no longer buy i buy my own strawberries so you don't buy strawberries anymore i buy quebec

00:42:45.140 strawberries and i do my own shopping by the way what products have you not bought mr carney

00:42:50.980 no more wine no more alcohol no more american alcohol i do my own shopping and i cook at home

00:42:59.060 lots of products fruits there's a lot of canadian so you're making an effort yes

00:43:06.180 i'm making an effort with apples fruit strawberries strawberries everyone is eating a lot of strawberries

00:43:15.300 these days i bring it up because i do my own grocery shopping which carney does not

00:43:23.460 this is a delicious conversation

00:43:31.300 it's beef in my case i buy canadian beef it's the best beef in the world

00:43:37.460 but i never buy american strawberries either okay

00:43:43.300 well let's uh share some of that all right it's very beautiful to see our next theme is the cost

00:43:48.820 of living he can manage our money we're having a hard time here i hope they'll be able to balance

00:44:00.340 the budget and maintain the same quality of services inflation lower taxes i earned a good

00:44:09.700 salary but it's hard to pay for groceries for child care for our kid for everything education 0.57

00:44:16.660 is expensive prices keep going up the middle class is hurting and for the poor it's worse

00:44:21.940 we're retired and we're counting every penny we're getting poorer i feel like no one really

00:44:27.140 listens to young people on housing or the cost of living so what's what does the future hold for us

00:44:34.100 young people what does the future hold for for young people i'll give you a few figures here very

00:44:40.820 briefly i'm sure this won't come as a surprise but in montreal housing prices have more than doubled

00:44:47.860 over 10 years from for 300 000 to 671 000 remarkable growth in toronto and vancouver as well

00:44:55.300 so my question and you'll have 35 seconds first of all how can we improve access to housing for

00:45:02.420 example for this young woman that we just heard from mr blanchet clearly it's through

00:45:07.460 the starting capital and another GST-based policy. There needs to be access to capital

00:45:16.000 for that down payment. My children can't pay for a house. A lot of them have jobs,

00:45:21.860 good jobs. It's essential that we give them a little boost. Using public money, for example,

00:45:30.040 and it's not during a crisis and in cutting budgets that we will be able to do so.

00:45:35.560 we need to reduce speculation on house prices we need to invest in affordable housing social

00:45:42.520 housing student housing to give a good price and reduce pressure in the residencies of canada

00:45:51.760 i'm with you with all those who are having a hard time affording their groceries or young

00:46:00.720 people who can't buy a house after a decade of liberal inflation liberal policies have increased

00:46:09.040 the cost of living the most in 40 years i will cut your taxes for the average worker by 15

00:46:18.320 we will scrap the gst on new homes and we will incentivize municipalities to speed up permits

00:46:25.840 and construction so that young people can once again buy a home and restore the dream of home

00:46:32.000 ownership in order to fix this crisis in the cost of living we need to make sure that canadians have

00:46:38.960 more money in their pockets and they need to have more canada in their pockets so that means a tax

00:46:45.840 cut for the middle class and our plan is almost 800 dollars per family cut the gst on first homes

00:46:56.960 and increase competition and in canada we have dental care pharma care and daycares we need to

00:47:05.760 protect that and we need to double new housing construction in canada with our plan very good

00:47:12.320 thank you mr singh thank you when i talk to people and the cost of living comes up

00:47:22.080 there are two main topics first grocery costs second housing costs for groceries

00:47:30.000 major grocery giants are gouging us we saw this with the price of bread the price of meat

00:47:35.440 they drive prices up and they are gouging the canadian public we would put price caps on

00:47:42.320 essential groceries we would also stop corporate landlords from buying up affordable housing and

00:47:48.960 apartments we are in it for you thank you very much mr singh 245 000 uh housing units were built

00:48:00.960 in 2024 you've all promised to massively accelerate the pace of that construction the liberals have

00:48:07.200 said 500 000 the ndp 600 000. mr sting you're going to start this part of the open debate

00:48:13.680 do how does this grow on trees we have a clear plan for how to make this happen first we would

00:48:20.240 not sell off our federal land we would keep it and we would build affordable housing on it 100

00:48:26.160 affordable we would train canadian workers to build more homes we also must keep the affordable

00:48:32.640 housing that we do have and unfortunately the two major parties have let rich speculators buy up

00:48:39.680 affordable housing and now we have no more that's a major issue we need to keep our affordable

00:48:45.600 housing and build more housing in general a couple of ideas first of all i would like to talk for

00:48:53.280 quebec there are delays of hundreds of thousands of houses to be built and we don't have the human

00:49:00.400 resources to do so but there are initiatives for small housing for social housing modular housing

00:49:07.120 that would allow us to build quicker with fewer resources and cheaper to accommodate as many

00:49:14.240 people as possible but i'm looking forward to hearing everyone's financial framework because

00:49:18.240 the conservatives want to cut cut cut they're going to have to cut spending at some point as

00:49:23.120 well the liberals want to cut in revenue but increase expenditure there's some financial

00:49:29.760 magic that's in there somewhere i would like to hear their financial framework or even their

00:49:35.200 electoral platforms that would be nice plan but mr carney 500 000 housing units and we need to

00:49:43.280 get started so that we can get the housing market working better with a reduction in

00:49:54.320 bureaucracy at the municipal level and in fees but we are proposing a new institution build

00:50:02.800 canada homes which is going to build affordable homes using lumber from quebec using lumber from

00:50:12.320 british columbia using canadian wood and using new canadian technologies we are going to create

00:50:18.480 a new industry how can you say 500 000 units i mean i could say 800 000 400 000 where is this

00:50:25.840 coming from you know you know if i can have 35 seconds we need to add funding of 25 billion

00:50:34.400 dollars for the development of affordable homes and 10 billion dollars for mr polyev you haven't

00:50:42.480 costed your objective yes we will in our platform which is going to come out in a few days but mr

00:50:50.080 kearney you're repeating exactly the same promises that justin trudeau has been making for 10 years

00:50:58.160 during the liberal decade when you were the economic advisor the cost of housing has gone up

00:51:04.960 and you inflated the cost of housing then too you have a terrible record in england

00:51:12.000 for real estate costs there the real estate prices the problem is that the liberals want to build

00:51:17.680 bureaucracy they want to balloon bureaucracy by creating new departments new bureaucrats we don't

00:51:25.840 need more bureaucrats we need more homes more new doors on new homes for young families the reason

00:51:32.960 why housing has become so expensive today is because of taxes and bureaucracy i will eliminate

00:51:40.800 the gst on new homes i will incentivize cities to free up land and accelerate permits so that we can

00:51:48.800 build build and build your home just saying then mr carney let us talk records mr polyev you were

00:51:56.320 yes absolutely how many homes did you build over 200 000 i'll tell you six you built six homes

00:52:03.360 two hundred thousand six two hundred thousand we cannot believe you asked a question can i

00:52:08.160 answer i believe mr polyev he only built six homes two hundred thousand he was in power

00:52:14.160 can i answer we know the answer can i answer it was 200 000 that year and the cost of the average

00:52:24.800 home was 450 000 so thanks very much for reminding everyone of my record it was a good record during

00:52:32.080 the 10 years the conservatives were in power rent doubled housing costs doubled and then

00:52:39.920 when the liberals came in they doubled again unfortunately mr carney benefited from the

00:52:47.920 housing crisis when he was the board chair at brookfield investments

00:52:52.480 his company benefited from the housing crisis by buying up affordable buildings and tripling rents

00:53:01.040 okay mr poeliev's approach is everyone for themselves in the covet crisis he said okay

00:53:09.200 let's cut taxes let's cut bureaucracy this crisis now that we're facing the greatest crisis of our

00:53:15.600 lives he's saying cut taxes cut bureaucracy in a crisis you have to do that to a certain point

00:53:22.720 but you have to act as a government and if i may you need to have capital to catalyze

00:53:30.480 investment and with a small amount of catalyzing investment from the government of canada

00:53:35.600 we can create huge private investment and a new canadian industry another proposal that i find

00:53:45.840 interesting is to allow parents who have money in savings for their retirement to

00:53:52.240 take the money temporarily to help for their kids down payment

00:53:57.520 that's not 500 billion dollars that will be required these are not civil servants that will

00:54:05.580 be fired this is a logical decision made by parents like myself who want to help their kids

00:54:11.800 without money from the state with a tax measure that helps retirees who want to help their

00:54:18.080 children would that not be more concrete than programs after programs that are just

00:54:21.900 empty words and for which there's no financial framework yeah i'll come back to that in the

00:54:27.500 minute, but let's let Mr. Poliev conclude because you were having a conversation with Mr. Kearney.

00:54:33.220 Mr. Kearney, in 2020 and 2021, you said that inflation wouldn't happen and that it would

00:54:41.460 have been a good thing if it did. You were quoted in the media and you even advised Justin Trudeau

00:54:47.780 to print money. And that's what caused our inflationary crisis. You're just like Justin

00:54:53.560 trudeau you're you have exactly the same policies the same approach we need change and you mr carney

00:55:00.280 you do not embody change you represent the ultra rich mr polyevre is not justin trudeau i'm not

00:55:07.320 justin trudeau either okay in this election the question is who is going to succeed who is going

00:55:15.000 to face mr trump same parties same ministers same caucus same ideology same hostility

00:55:23.560 against quebec it's not just because the leader changes that the philosophy will magically change

00:55:29.880 overnight you are all proposing or just about all of you are proposing tax cuts we'll see them

00:55:38.280 up on the screen here mr carney announced that on the first day of the campaign mr probably

00:55:43.800 has been announcing them for a long time so for a couple earning 90 000 a year you can see the

00:55:48.120 the numbers up here, $1,299 in savings for the Conservatives, $1,011 for the NDP, $577 for the

00:55:55.700 Liberals. And the cost of those measures is really what I want to underline here. Mr. Poliev,

00:56:01.220 you're spending more on tax cuts than the NDP or Liberals. Now, you've all arrived here this

00:56:10.940 evening with no costed financial plan. It's been a long time since we've seen that at the time of

00:56:16.700 leaders debate the leaders don't have a costed plan so we don't know how you're going to pay

00:56:22.700 for these tax cuts now i'm going to be careful how i word this but don't you think it's

00:56:28.460 irresponsible to canadian voters to do this mr carney you said you've had you've got the numbers

00:56:34.540 but where where's your cost as i've just said we'll be presenting our costed platform this

00:56:41.260 weekend but why not why not earlier at an event there are 10 days left in the election campaign

00:56:47.180 it's about the same thing as mr poilievre as i've seen and it is going to be costed

00:56:55.420 and the operational budget will be cleaned up we'll balance it in three years but at the same

00:57:03.020 time we will be investing in canada and in canadians mr poilievre where would you make

00:57:08.620 the cuts this comes back to my earlier question mr carney in terms of the cost of plants what do

00:57:14.140 you have to hide will transfers to provinces go down for example we're going to cut consultants

00:57:19.660 believe it or not a canadian family is spending fourteen hundred dollars in federal tax just to

00:57:27.740 pay for consultants that's been a hundred percent increase i'm going to cut consultants secondly

00:57:35.020 we're going to cut the cost of bureaucracy through attrition people will be retiring and

00:57:45.100 we don't need to replace all of them we can slowly gradually reduce the cost of the bureaucracy

00:57:52.780 third we're going to pass a dollar for dollar bill for every new dollar in spending

00:57:58.300 there will have to be a dollar in reduced uh reduced spending and

00:58:07.180 we are going to generate 70 billion dollars more in revenue don't have a costed plan that we've seen

00:58:19.500 we are the only party that has talked about ways to increase government revenues we've

00:58:24.780 talked about closing tax loopholes getting rid of tax havens empowering the cra to go after

00:58:35.180 corporations that are not paying their taxes these are not tax increases these are taxes that

00:58:40.220 are already supposed to be paid the cra has said that tens of billions of dollars in revenues are

00:58:46.860 being lost pier poliev has been very honest with canadians he will cut he will cut health care

00:58:53.900 no he will not that's false he said this back in 2022 when he became leader of the conservative

00:59:01.980 party and mark carney has also said very clearly that he would make massive no no no he would cut

00:59:09.740 43 billion dollars worth for the first time no that's not right at all

00:59:17.260 i've said there is an operational budget that's over 200 billion dollars a year

00:59:25.500 and that budget has grown nine percent year over year over the last 10 years we need to

00:59:33.180 slow down that growth and we'll do that with technology we'll do that with attrition as

00:59:41.760 Mr. Poiliev has suggested and we can do that and we will do that and it's necessary but

00:59:47.520 we're not going to cut transfers to individuals nor transfers to the provinces. So the provinces

00:59:54.580 will not get less money Mr. Blanchet is that what you believe? Well I have an issue with this

01:00:00.020 these are harry potter financial frameworks you need a lot of magic to make it work

01:00:04.460 there needs to be more money but we're going to do cuts they want to be more conservative than

01:00:08.700 the conservatives basic economic state that when there's a threat of recession or slowdown that

01:00:14.460 is when the state well that's what why we're not saying cut taxes we're saying make good investments

01:00:19.640 we want to invest in our military forces it's the time to do so with canadian companies

01:00:25.160 the Quebec tramway that Mr. Poirier doesn't want to do.

01:00:28.960 That's what we have to do.

01:00:29.940 We have to have targeted investments,

01:00:31.700 health transfers so that the Mise-en-Hauvre-Zemont hospital can be renovated.

01:00:35.620 It's time to invest in infrastructure,

01:00:38.000 public infrastructure with public money

01:00:39.980 so that everyone can keep their jobs.

01:00:42.220 So no tax cuts.

01:00:43.860 No, there wouldn't be a tax cut.

01:00:45.460 There would be a specific budget for it.

01:00:47.700 It's necessary.

01:00:48.660 We have to keep going.

01:00:50.240 They want to do one thing and the other.

01:00:51.780 Cut, but somehow make more money.

01:00:53.320 something doesn't work we've started with the cost of living we have to cut taxes for the cost

01:00:59.280 of living what mr blanche has said is true you were talking about magic spell here mr carney

01:01:04.680 this is one rare moment where we agree on february 16th you sat down with rosemary

01:01:13.620 barton and you said that you would cut spending operational operational spending

01:01:19.360 that's different you said one at a time please that this would affect transfers uh for health

01:01:27.760 care and to individuals mr what no i have a question that's not right at all that's not right

01:01:31.780 at all mr carney you'll have the opportunity to answer later the question that people are asking

01:01:37.260 themselves and you may have heard this mr singh um you know you've promised that every canadian

01:01:43.580 will have a family doctor that there will be vastly more nurses does the federal government

01:01:50.540 need to continue developing more national plans like pharma care and dental care or option two

01:01:58.540 should they be giving more money to the provinces for health care mr carney you'll start off

01:02:05.100 more programs or more money first of all the priority for the federal government

01:02:09.980 is to invest and to catalyze investment in the most serious crisis we're facing in our lives we

01:02:17.740 need to catalyze private investment in our economy to create new and good jobs that's the first thing

01:02:23.900 we need to do in terms of transfers to provinces for health care yes there are limits to the

01:02:31.500 federal government's activity no new programs no mr blanchet it's it's easy all premiers

01:02:39.980 from the provinces and territories unanimously asked for a 35 health transfer

01:02:49.820 i would like to re-explain it the federal government receives more money than it needs

01:02:53.980 it needs ten dollars it gets 12. quebec needs ten dollars but it only gets eight

01:02:59.820 so the federal government could take its surplus and say i would like to invest in your jurisdictions

01:03:06.780 the liberals and the conservatives are green agree on this and the ndp loves butting its nose into

01:03:11.500 provincial jurisdiction the constitution sets out jurisdictions the easiest way is to give the money

01:03:20.940 you've said that we do need to step in that we need to have more programs like this

01:03:28.140 let me explain

01:03:31.180 absolutely we need to increase health transfers absolutely in order to help out the provinces

01:03:36.780 what is more we are now in the midst of a crisis a healthcare crisis it is being felt here in

01:03:41.420 quebec and all throughout the country we should recognize that a leader is someone who looks for

01:03:46.700 solutions not excuses i believe that we should be investing more in fixing problems and yes

01:03:53.740 we can work with the provinces to hire more healthcare workers we can work with them to

01:03:58.860 get through this crisis pharmacare is one area where everyone can come together to bring down

01:04:05.100 the cost of medication we believe in helping people deciding deciding quebec quebec's priorities

01:04:15.100 isn't your jurisdiction i don't know it's money that you would refuse to give quebec we can do

01:04:23.580 two things at once we can transfer money and then work with the provinces and other solutions mr

01:04:28.140 really have more money to the provinces or more federal programs i think the federal government

01:04:34.620 is taking too much tax revenues and delivering too little and that's the liberal track record

01:04:41.020 after 10 years and the question for canadians is you can't afford your groceries and you can't

01:04:46.380 afford your rent or your housing because it's too expensive now after three terms of liberal

01:04:51.740 liberal government will a fourth liberal term change things for you enough for you to be able

01:04:57.660 to buy a house and have a beautiful life okay for the health program on health care

01:05:04.700 no what i propose on that is a program that the federal government could coordinate and that is

01:05:14.060 to do with licenses for doctors and nurses it would be a voluntary program as we

01:05:18.940 has previously existed to allow immigrants to be licensed and be able to work in our hospitals

01:05:25.900 to reduce your wait times. So everyone agrees on health transfer. The question is the 13 premiers

01:05:34.020 of the 13 economies of Canada. Canada doesn't have one economy, it has 13 economies. These

01:05:39.560 requests were made to stop the deterioration of the healthcare system. Next theme.

01:05:48.940 The carbon tax was something that was supposed to help the environment, but now what are we doing for the environment?

01:06:03.940 It worries me a bit. Our planet is starting to die. I really want to see someone who can prioritize climate change and the economy in Canada.

01:06:13.940 We shouldn't be building a pipeline.

01:06:16.500 The environmental consequences are very serious.

01:06:19.480 Even if for ecological reasons, it's not the best solution.

01:06:23.180 Well, I think we have to think about it.

01:06:25.580 There was a good project in place, but then it was dropped.

01:06:29.180 A pipeline would have a major impact.

01:06:32.100 We may have to make sacrifices if we want to be more independent.

01:06:36.100 Drill, baby drill, says Donald Trump.

01:06:43.400 But I have a very simple question for you, and I would like just a simple answer as well.

01:06:50.020 You have a 35 seconds open debate.

01:06:53.020 Do you want Canada to increase oil production?

01:06:58.540 Yes or no? Mr. Singh.

01:07:02.840 I would be in favor of investing in clean energy, renewable energy, with our public money.

01:07:10.080 i would spend on projects like an east-west clean energy grid that's the sort of thing we need we

01:07:17.200 need renewable energy for our future that is where we should invest our public funds so more or less

01:07:24.320 oil or the same amount as right now you want to increase it that's what people want to know are

01:07:30.320 you increasing oil production there are a few measures that i support investing in clean energy

01:07:39.120 bringing down our emissions in the open debate later but the question is very simple i think

01:07:47.600 mr karn yes more oil so that we can reduce our imports especially our imports from the united

01:07:56.240 states a country that is threatening us right now but in order to do that we need to have

01:08:04.080 have low-risk oil. Canada is a low-risk country and low-cost oil. Canada's more or less that

01:08:12.360 right now, but we also need low-carbon oil because we need to be competitive over the

01:08:16.080 long term. So at the same time, we need to have pipelines. We need to invest in carbon

01:08:22.040 stockage, carbon capture as well. That's very important for our competitiveness.

01:08:25.920 We'll get to that later. Mr. Poliev, should we produce more oil in Canada?

01:08:29.600 Yes. And we have to be able to get it to market by pipeline. Unfortunately, the other parties passed an unconstitutional law, C-69, which is a no more pipelines bill.

01:08:48.960 And that's why Canadians and Quebecers now have to buy 139,000 barrels of U.S. oil every day.

01:08:56.240 I will repeal C-69 to allow for the construction of hydroelectric projects, mines, and also pipelines,

01:09:06.440 so that we can get around Donald Trump and be sovereign when it comes to energy.

01:09:12.500 There's a competition as to who will be the biggest oil head here.

01:09:15.280 the americans buy our oil we buy their oil because that's how geography works

01:09:21.020 i want less oil but let us be let's be clear the one that approved 9b for enbridge was me

01:09:32.820 when i was the environment minister but i say that we have to progressively wean off of petrol

01:09:37.800 and oil because the cost on families will be far worse than what mr poylev says

01:09:43.180 paying for the consequences of climate change will cost billions of dollars every single year

01:09:50.660 per family. Let us invest in Quebec's green energy. I'd like to ask a question to launch

01:09:56.500 the debate. Mr. Carney, for 17 years now, the Liberals have been telling us that the only way

01:10:04.760 to fight against climate change is to put a price on carbon with the carbon tax. There were

01:10:11.020 elections on this. But the first day you came to power, you abolished this tax. What should

01:10:19.440 Canadians understand from this? Is the fight against climate change no longer a priority for

01:10:24.440 liberals? Not at all. It is still a priority, and it's a priority for Canada. We're talking a lot

01:10:31.300 about diversifying our trade partners around the world. The European Union. We need to reduce

01:10:39.120 greenhouse gas emissions in manufacturing and energy in all of our products so that we can

01:10:45.040 have better access to that market. But in terms of the carbon tax, we cut the consumer carbon tax

01:10:52.900 and that covers about 6% of the reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. We are maintaining

01:11:00.840 the industrial carbon tax for big polluters, but we're creating a new market so that major

01:11:07.280 polluters will pay people and households to make green decisions you would axe the second carbon

01:11:15.620 tax as well the industrial tax you would emulate both so there's no not even a fight against

01:11:23.200 climate change or no incentive except that's not true less gas there's a cost associated with using

01:11:31.020 energy already but my approach is a pragmatic one for example the national bank calculated

01:11:38.540 that if we export our natural gas our liquefied natural gas to india for example to replace

01:11:45.340 coal that could reduce emissions in india by 2.5 billion tons that's three times the

01:11:54.060 emissions of all of canada and would also bring a lot of money back to canada the liberals are

01:12:03.180 blocking the construction of the pipeline and of the lng plants for example lng quebec is a project

01:12:14.300 that would make it possible for us to sell our energy very profitably to europe and reduce europe's

01:12:22.460 dependence on putin and that's what i would like to do instead of feeding into putin's war machine

01:12:30.460 mr carne's abolition of the carbon tax means that canadians outside of quebec will receive a rebate

01:12:38.700 for several weeks still for a tax that has been cut so this puts um go back in a unjust position

01:12:46.860 what are you asking in this respect another element it might give mr connie's an opportunity

01:12:54.380 to answer last year canada invested 30 billion dollars in oil transmountain cost 40 billion

01:13:02.380 dollars it took nine years to build it that means that with only just these elements that 16 billion

01:13:08.860 dollars of quebec money that was invested in oil do you want a great energy work site

01:13:19.900 it's quebec's green work site so let's invest there we've got the 3.7 billion dollars the

01:13:27.020 government would preemptively reimburse the tax carbon now they've the carbon tax now they've

01:13:33.020 cancelled the carbon tax before the elections but they're still sending reimbursements for

01:13:38.460 expenditures that people won't have to do because the carbon tax no longer exists quebec is

01:13:42.780 responsible and still has a carbon trade system like california we're being penalized we're taking

01:13:48.460 800 million dollars out of quebec's quebec's pocket quebecers pockets that's a hundred dollars

01:13:52.940 per person including newborn babies eight hundred dollars from everyone's pockets a hundred dollars

01:14:00.460 from everyone's pockets to offer electoral baubles just before election is there not an

01:14:05.580 injustice there it's not an injustice quebec is a pioneer in carbon markets and that's clear

01:14:13.660 first point and the second point canadians outside of quebec and british colombia have

01:14:23.980 paid the carbon tax and as such they receive the carbon rebate and all canadians including quebecers 1.00

01:14:35.580 will receive the middle class tax cut because we have we have what we've done

01:14:47.880 what we've done there's a principle here there's an important principle here yes you're going to

01:14:53.740 speak in a moment just in terms of clarity for those who are listening to us what reimbursement

01:14:59.640 you talking about the the the rebate no not in quebec no not in quebec

01:15:12.040 there's a principle here we are making people whole people who paid the carbon tax

01:15:19.400 and we're doing that in a fair way europe quebec and california has a system that incentivizes

01:15:26.520 incentivizes companies to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions it's about nine cents per liter

01:15:34.760 and it's much cheaper than the potential effects and the future effects of climate change back to

01:15:38.920 the debate topic we are talking about the climate crisis here that is not something that is a long

01:15:45.000 way off this is something going on right now we are already in the midst of the climate crisis

01:15:50.440 we have seen it here in quebec extreme temperatures forest fires flooding

01:15:57.080 i agree with mr blanchette that it is too high a cost to bear so we need to do something i spoke

01:16:04.440 with uh one mother before i became a father and she said i'm worried about my children when they

01:16:10.840 play outside i'm worried about the bc forest fires our children cannot breathe the air outside and

01:16:17.240 now that i am a father i feel the same anxiety with forest fires people cannot breathe the air

01:16:27.720 so we need to do something we need to protect our environment and we need to protect our children

01:16:33.560 you're clear you're saying that we need a pipeline

01:16:38.840 if in spite of all of your efforts efforts with uh the indigenous nations they say no would you

01:16:45.320 impose it in spite of all of your efforts if quebec says no would you impose it well first

01:16:50.280 of all you shouldn't assume that because most quebecers want a pipeline according to the polls 0.99

01:16:59.160 look there's no social acceptability for the status quo thank you very much that is the most

01:17:08.120 empty sentence i've ever heard in this debate so far question no it's just it's nonsense absolute

01:17:13.720 nonsense i'll say what it means i'll tell you quebecers who buy oil from alberta it's got to

01:17:22.440 go through the us currently which gives donald trump power over our own energy you say you're

01:17:29.800 in favor of sovereignty i'm in favor of economic sovereignty and energy sovereignty and that

01:17:36.360 requires it's yet another scarecrow the us will never bomb their economy so much by sacrificing

01:17:46.040 a hugely profitable product that's such a an amazing argument how much will your pipeline

01:17:52.840 cross uh cost transmountain cost 40 billion dollars but now you want a 4 600 kilometer pipeline

01:18:01.400 without investors, with Europe that doesn't even want it in the first place.

01:18:05.640 Just to clarify, I would never subsidize pipelines. That's unnecessary. They're very profitable.

01:18:14.840 The only reason why it's expensive now is because there are rules and legislation that prevent

01:18:23.560 the construction of pipelines because of bureaucracy. We're going to get rid of red 1.00

01:18:27.320 tape we're going to open this up cutting environmental regulations if indigenous 1.00

01:18:35.960 nations in spite of all your nice efforts i'm talking about mr carney and you who want to

01:18:40.360 pipeline if they refuse what do you do refuse uh are you saying across the board yes we've seen this

01:18:48.760 because he can't say that he doesn't get to impose his will mr polyev if there are indigenous nations

01:18:59.720 or provinces that are against what do you do well there are others who will be in favor for example

01:19:05.640 mr kearney opposed a pipeline in the west which would have enabled us to sell our oil to asia

01:19:14.200 the northern gateway project 80 of first nations were in favor 20 were against and in a case like

01:19:21.320 that i think the majority rules and i think we need to allow our companies to pay some of their

01:19:27.320 taxes directly to first nations to fight poverty through industry production that's our approach

01:19:34.840 would you be ready to impose one no never impose can i respond please never impose no but a couple

01:19:43.640 of points first of all our relationship with the united states has changed everything

01:19:51.560 so imports from the united states and geography as mr poliev has said around pipelines those are

01:19:59.160 problems those are national security problems for us and we need to act that's the first point

01:20:05.560 second on march 21st there was a meeting of the premiers all the premiers were here in ottawa

01:20:13.320 and we sat down and we agreed all the premiers signed an agreement to have an energy corridor

01:20:21.800 that would cover oil natural gas clean energy and critical minerals and with that and with a process

01:20:34.360 with indigenous leaders we can and we could have a solution to this problem and that's an example

01:20:42.040 of leadership that's an example of bringing leaders together to meet a national goal we

01:20:50.360 need to do more than that over this crisis i'll ask the question again if ever indigenous nations

01:20:57.640 no i've said no against it you forget the project well no you cannot force projects on listen it's

01:21:04.600 it's a question another question about the environment here's a question you have said

01:21:10.760 that you are a pragmatic person do you agree that it is not pragmatic to continue to subsidize

01:21:18.200 oil companies with billions of dollars that's not pragmatic at all would you agree

01:21:23.160 well i agree with that principle okay then will you commit to stopping these subsidies absolutely

01:21:31.000 it's clear this is why you need new democrats look at that we got a commitment from it's not

01:21:36.680 new it's not a new commitment that's not a new commitment let's be very clear

01:21:43.720 mid-february british columbia you like all other canadian leaders said something in english

01:21:50.440 that was if necessary you would use the executive emergency powers you said it

01:21:56.840 i heard it again yesterday you would force pipelines through canada and through

01:22:01.880 no no no no after two days after that with mr that's not it that's not it at all no please be

01:22:09.960 nice we're almost friends but then you said to monsieur what i would never like to force this so

01:22:14.440 it's not rules no let's stop this it's social acceptability that stopped this pipeline because

01:22:18.760 people said no mr carney please reply okay no it's the use of emergency powers for the federal

01:22:27.000 government that's for federal approval but there also has to be approval for example here in quebec

01:22:35.000 there has to be approval from the provinces and the support of indigenous people this is canada

01:22:39.720 that's how canada works but another point if i may we're starting to see cooperation agreements

01:22:49.000 come into place with the provinces to have one project one evaluation and that's going to

01:22:54.440 accelerate the approval of major projects in canada mr blanchet you said that i have a greater

01:23:00.280 chance of signing the canadian constitution than approving a pipeline but how could you

01:23:07.320 really paint yourself in such a corner and say never ever if our relationship with the us gets

01:23:13.080 worse the pie and the pipeline goes to the united states if our ports become trickier in terms of

01:23:22.360 imports what would you do is a very serious one but he won't self-destruct the American economy

01:23:30.440 and Americans think that Canadian oil is in their backyard there's no rule that stops oil from being

01:23:38.280 built or circulating but Quebec Quebecers didn't want it and Mr. Carney said I will like to respect

01:23:43.920 Quebec's environmental rules so there are certain elements that are incoherent from him

01:23:50.720 it's still no because quebec is the best placed in the world to develop

01:23:58.240 a green super energy market that goes right to the south without asking ottawa's permission why

01:24:05.700 would we invest in oil that doesn't have economic benefits for quebec if it means that we still

01:24:11.000 pay more quick comments you are slightly behind in terms of the tramway in the third link we're

01:24:20.440 talking about the environment and public transit as well so the third third link would you fund

01:24:26.680 this or the tramway one of the other one or the other or both yes for the quebec city tramway we

01:24:31.800 support public transit we are against projects that are bad for the environment so you're against the

01:24:39.880 third link exactly we are against the third link we support the tramway

01:24:45.560 one solution to address the climate crisis while at the same time helping our economy is to invest

01:24:51.400 heavily in public transit this would help municipalities help this would help provinces

01:24:56.120 we could work together with them and use transfers to provide more funding for these projects and

01:25:01.000 they're the sort of projects we need they would create good jobs while at the same time helping

01:25:06.200 canada reduce emissions tramway or a third link both or just the third link just the third link

01:25:15.240 you have to make choices and i would speak to people in the regions today the other

01:25:21.720 parties are against the third link and they want to ban gas-powered cars that's not practical

01:25:30.440 in the regions of our country you need a truck you need a car in order to live in regional areas

01:25:39.080 so i'm going to reverse that you'll be able to keep your truck we will build highways and bridges

01:25:44.680 so that you can live a good life in the region both projects the quebec government wants the

01:25:54.280 tramway the city of quebec city rather wants the tramway the federal government needs to give them

01:25:59.560 money required to the provincial government for the tramway we don't know what a third

01:26:06.440 link looks like we don't know where it's going to go under over we don't know what color is going to

01:26:10.600 be you are supposed to give your opinion on that for the past three debates please uh remind me of

01:26:16.920 my uh well i can be quick tramway yes because there is a project that's underway we support

01:26:25.800 And as Mr. Blanchet has said, there is no project right now for the third link.

01:26:30.800 But I think the third link will be a blue one.

01:26:34.800 It'll be blue. Right.

01:26:36.800 I don't have a lot of time left, but I'll add one more question.

01:26:40.800 Do we have to speed up the development of nuclear power?

01:26:46.800 Yes. Yes, absolutely. And for a couple of reasons.

01:26:49.800 Across Quebec, in Ontario?

01:26:51.800 Yeah.

01:26:52.800 it's a choice that quebec and the provinces will make but we have a major advantage here in canada

01:27:02.240 we have uranium we have big nuclear companies including westinghouse uh can do and others

01:27:12.640 and we have uh technology in small modular reactors so it's a great opportunity i understand

01:27:18.320 there are worlds in the countries in the world that need nuclear energy i don't think canada

01:27:22.400 needs nuclear energy quebec doesn't want it i'm not going to uh interfere in canadian energy

01:27:29.280 well it could be reviewed quebecers don't want nuclear energy i'm also the one that

01:27:37.120 managed the closure of the gentile plant but we're not going to reopen it

01:27:40.480 As a national project, I am in favor of an east-west energy grid that would connect Quebec with Manitoba and B.C. to transport clean energy.

01:27:55.600 I'm not so much in favor of nuclear energy. I support renewable and hydro energy more.

01:28:02.020 In favour. That's one of the best sources of electricity. It provides 60% of the electricity in Ontario. Unfortunately, bureaucracy slows down construction without adding any safety. So I would take the politicians off the Nuclear Safety Commission and allow scientists to do the work so that we can add that source of energy to the portfolio.

01:28:30.300 This is the first time I've heard Mr. Paulyev say something pro-science.

01:28:36.060 Immigration.

01:28:38.300 Next theme, immigration and foreign affairs.

01:28:45.700 There are lots of issues with immigration that are linked to Donald Trump.

01:28:49.920 It's hard to immigrate these days.

01:28:51.980 I'd like to stay if I can find a good job.

01:28:54.840 We have to deal with people who are arriving in droves 1.00

01:28:57.600 because people are arriving and they don't have work should we let them in or not why not why not

01:29:05.140 welcome them if we have the capacity do you think we should let them let in anyone who wants to come

01:29:10.560 in the united in the united states there's one rule in canada there's another

01:29:15.380 i think everyone should follow the rule

01:29:17.120 we know there are over 500 000 haitians currently living in the united states who are now being

01:29:26.800 threatened with deportation, they might lose their temporary protection. I'll show you the numbers

01:29:32.340 here. This is the number of people crossing the border in Saint-Bernard-de-l'Ecole.

01:29:42.320 1411 people in the first half of April. That's more than in March, February, or January. So you

01:29:47.520 can see the numbers are growing. Simple question. You have 35 seconds each. Would you accept these

01:29:53.560 into Canada or not? Mr. Carney. Well, first of all, this is a question of humanity.

01:29:59.420 This is a human issue and these are some of the most vulnerable people in North

01:30:05.620 America. But there are limits. We have to be human, but we have to be realistic.

01:30:11.080 Canada cannot accept everyone. And we have an agreement with the Americans, 0.99

01:30:17.020 the safe third country agreement and under that agreement we will send back most asylum seekers 1.00

01:30:29.840 they would be mostly sent back to the u.s mr blanchet the rules aren't tributary to the origin

01:30:36.340 of the requester we can't say we'll welcome the haitians but tough luck to the venezuelans

01:30:44.180 the rules need to be the same for everyone i'm particularly sensitive to this because i often

01:30:51.380 meet with haitian representatives they are francophones and so it's easier for them to

01:30:56.780 integrate into quebec if quebec is able financially to welcome them then i'm sympathetic but the rules

01:31:03.620 have to be applied and quebec's welcoming capacity is at its very limit the formal rule now

01:31:13.100 would be to send them back because they are in a safe third country i.e the u.s mr singh 0.99

01:31:20.380 in general we should do our part this it's a question of humanity and compassion

01:31:32.780 we appreciate the fact that our country is founded on immigration that is something

01:31:37.100 important to us we want immigration levels that are in line with our needs but if yes we need to

01:31:44.700 take in people but if we cannot accept people well we don't want them to have a bad life here

01:31:52.780 in canada or in quebec so we need immigration but we cannot take everyone yes or no the specific

01:32:00.540 question the question is is do we accept those people for the people crossing the border at

01:32:05.500 l'école would they be welcome to canada or not because we have the right to send them back under 1.00

01:32:09.580 the safer country agreement unfortunately they have to be returned because immigration has to 1.00

01:32:15.980 follow the normal entry points quebecers are extremely generous and welcoming they welcomed

01:32:25.340 my wife as mr blanchet mentioned but the liberal government has abused quebecers generosity with an

01:32:33.580 out of control immigration system the population has grown three times faster than the number of 1.00

01:32:41.820 new homes built this has created a housing crisis in quebec they're at the breaking point

01:32:48.380 and the government of quebec has to has been given the power to choose immigrants that was

01:32:55.580 under the moroni government that that power was delegated to quebec so we need to have realistic

01:33:02.380 numbers realistic based on our housing capacity here what mr pauliev is saying is that immigrants

01:33:09.580 should be blamed for something that is really the fault of success of conservative and liberal

01:33:14.220 governments who have not invested enough in our resources who have not built enough housing who

01:33:18.700 have not welcomed people in the way that they should have been welcomed this cannot be blamed

01:33:24.940 on immigrants all right that's not true quebec is now asking given the number of asylum seekers

01:33:37.260 in its territory for 500 million dollars that was the amount they asked for in 2024

01:33:45.260 mr poliev you'll be starting this open debate debate would you be sending a 500 million dollar

01:33:49.260 track to quebec we have to work with the government of quebec to fix the damage the liberals caused

01:33:56.220 with an out of control immigration system and i also have to say that i reject the century 0.98

01:34:01.980 initiative which is a liberal policy to balloon canada's population to 100 million people that's

01:34:08.940 extreme i think we should go back to immigration levels that are such that the population never

01:34:18.940 grows faster than the number of houses jobs or health care services available would you give

01:34:25.820 more money to quebec and more generally where would you like to have the immigration quota

01:34:33.580 yes we'll start with the second part we need to have a cap on all types of immigration for a 0.85

01:34:42.540 certain amount of time so that we can increase our capacity to welcome newcomers to canada

01:34:47.900 including in housing in training and language training here in quebec and make sure that the

01:34:53.260 social safety net can accept them and in those circumstances sorry the targets announced by your

01:34:58.940 predecessor mr trudeau you would bring them down further is that correct well there are

01:35:05.340 some challenges here in quebec for example

01:35:10.540 challenges with uh temporary foreign workers for example and it's a question of distribution if i

01:35:16.540 can say it that way the distribution of workers across quebec and there's a shortage of workers

01:35:24.620 but we will maintain the cap on immigration for certainly a couple of years so that we can

01:35:32.460 increase our ability to welcome newcomers would you reduce the number of immigrants to canada in

01:35:40.380 general instead of answering with a simple yes or no i would want to base our response on the fact

01:35:47.740 it is obvious that we need immigration when i speak to quebec farmers they tell me yes we 0.99

01:35:53.340 need immigrants to work on our farms when i talk to small and medium businesses they tell me that

01:36:00.780 we need immigrants the question is what level of immigration we would base our immigration

01:36:08.540 levels on the findings of an expert panel which would study our capacities then we would have

01:36:15.580 a data-based number but i do not want to fall into the trap of

01:36:23.500 fear-mongering or blaming blaming immigrants for things we need a facts-based needs-based

01:36:32.460 temporary foreign workers are temporary they're a different category foreign students are a

01:36:38.540 separate category and they are essential for our post-secondary establishments in quebec and in

01:36:45.260 canada unfortunately it's being used as a roundabout way to get asylum or and asylum is also

01:36:54.460 taken advantage of through smuggling and organized crime we don't want to import vulnerable workers 1.00

01:37:00.780 because we simply need people asylum seekers should be people who are in distress that we 1.00

01:37:05.500 need to welcome based on our welcoming capacity we are not currently in quebec able to welcome

01:37:13.100 as many people that are arriving quebec needs to be able to establish what its targets are

01:37:17.980 and one clear element the federal parliament with a block quebecois initiative decided to

01:37:27.980 force the federal government to consult provinces within a hundred days to determine how many

01:37:31.900 immigrants uh to determine how many immigrants would be welcomed no one can decide apart from 1.00

01:37:37.900 quebec how much quebec can accept and welcome another rare moment where i agree with mr blanchette

01:37:49.260 temporary foreign workers are often victims of power abuses we would restrict the use of workers

01:37:57.260 who are exploited by major corporations the center initiative was 100 million immigrants in canada

01:38:03.100 before the end of the century dominic barton a parliamentary committee said that they did not

01:38:08.460 take into account the quebec the uniqueness of quebec and one of the two co-authors of the center

01:38:12.940 initiative and 100 million people is now one of mr carney's close advisors mr carney

01:38:21.420 on a different subject now

01:38:22.620 would you say that the immigration system in canada is going off the rails or has gone off

01:38:31.020 the rails in the last seven or eight years the system isn't working and especially after the

01:38:41.500 pandemic. Our population has gone up, I think, at about 3% per year because of immigration. 1.00

01:38:56.240 And that's why we need to have a cap for a certain period of time. And I can say, I'd

01:39:03.780 I'd like to say that Canadians, Quebecers, and all Canadians, they want to welcome immigrants.

01:39:14.540 There's no problem with Canadians' attitudes here at all.

01:39:19.700 It's the responsibility of all of us to increase our capacity to welcome newcomers.

01:39:25.540 Is it normal?

01:39:27.540 Now in France, it takes six months, in Germany, eight months.

01:39:31.780 So why do asylum seekers coming to Canada take at least three years to be processed?

01:39:40.720 Because Canada is obstinate in welcoming more people than they can process, house, and they're 0.97

01:39:49.360 not taking into account the proportionality of every province and territory.

01:39:52.600 I spoke with federal public servants, and they told me that there is a lack of resources.

01:39:59.460 there aren't enough workers to manage all the files that are coming in it's unthinkable that

01:40:06.660 people have to wait three years for an answer but it's a huge problem

01:40:11.540 so we need to have more people working on this

01:40:16.840 people who can make decisions or at the very least provide an answer because it is entirely

01:40:23.780 unacceptable that we have people waiting so long.

01:40:26.820 Mr. Poyev, is this problem solvable?

01:40:30.680 Yes.

01:40:33.200 Look, it's all about efficiency.

01:40:36.860 By screening out bogus asylum seekers, that's what's slowing things down. 1.00

01:40:44.940 We could reduce processing times by getting rid of the bogus claimants. 0.98

01:40:50.260 and when people are forum shopping when they've been to other places that also slows things down

01:40:58.760 and discourages genuine payments my point of view is that if someone's in danger in their country

01:41:06.080 of origin they should be able to decide to come to Canada but if they're not refugees for example 0.97

01:41:13.660 we've seen a situation in mexico where people came here without ever needing to be refugees they

01:41:21.260 never needed asylum and that causes a bottleneck in the system and so what we're going to do is

01:41:27.100 ensure that genuine refugees can come here and have their lives saved through the generosity

01:41:34.220 of canadians how do you separate the the real ones from from the non-real ones

01:41:39.100 well that's the problem the machine the apparatus is too cumbersome and mexico was one of the causes

01:41:48.060 in the problem so by eliminating eliminating that source three years is that an acceptable

01:41:54.040 wait time in canada no it's not acceptable it's inhumane it's inhumane for asylum seekers 1.00

01:42:02.740 and that's an indication that there is a problem with productivity in that department

01:42:09.600 that takes resources but it's also a question of productivity why not hitting the brake pedal

01:42:16.680 with kindness of course why not slow things down until we have a good system and a good

01:42:23.300 public service for immigration that can deal with files in a few months the rhythm is far

01:42:30.160 too quick and so we can't succeed at this rate people for economic reasons or who are in distress

01:42:36.100 for other reasons come to canada and they're lost because their files aren't being uh aren't being

01:42:43.520 processed you can conclude mr carney i more or less agree with that but we need to be as you've

01:42:51.140 said, we need to be neutral. We need to act in a neutral and fair way. All right. A fair way.

01:43:00.260 I want to save some time to talk about two other important files, international aid, Ukraine and

01:43:06.480 Gaza. I think we've understood your position on immigration. The question is simple. Should we cut 1.00

01:43:12.960 international aid or not? I'll give you some figures here. $2.1 billion is being given to

01:43:18.480 Ukraine currently. That's a large amount of money for Canada. Ethiopia also, Haiti. There's a long

01:43:26.220 list of other countries that we could have put up on the board. Mr. Polyev, you've said that we need

01:43:32.220 to cut international aid. What would you cut? Ukraine, Ethiopia, Haiti? No. I would start by

01:43:37.600 cutting off China. The Liberal government gave $250 million to the Chinese Infrastructure Bank

01:43:45.520 in order to build pipelines, highways, and other infrastructure

01:43:51.300 to promote the expansion of Beijing's empire.

01:43:57.020 I don't think that's a good use of taxpayer money.

01:43:59.720 Also, we saw UNRWA, the organization in the Gaza Strip,

01:44:04.920 that took part, or whose employees took part in the attacks of September 7th.

01:44:12.100 So I don't think we should be funding that type of activity either.

01:44:15.600 The aid we give should be directly to people in need

01:44:19.840 and not through bureaucracies, multinational bureaucracies and terrorists.

01:44:26.700 Let's talk about Gaza.

01:44:28.740 Currently, Doctors Without Borders, just today,

01:44:32.540 said that the situation was worse than ever.

01:44:34.740 they've so if you cut unra which might be an imperfect organization but if you cut aid to

01:44:45.880 them how can canada help calisthenians with not-for-profit groups ngos that will deliver

01:44:53.660 the services directly to gazans only group on the ground i'd like to because it's a waste of money

01:45:01.880 when that money that's not even getting to the people i will start by saying

01:45:08.040 if there's anyone in an organization with a problem then yes that should be investigated

01:45:18.660 but what you said about unruh was disgusting this is the only organization that is helping

01:45:22.980 out people on the ground and you painted the entire organization with the same brush calling

01:45:28.040 a terrorist organization that is unacceptable that is hateful and it is entirely inappropriate

01:45:36.200 on the subject of palestinians and international aid would you continue to to fund unra um yes

01:45:44.120 we are in a situation where we need to have an immediate ceasefire we need to have all the

01:45:51.480 hostages returned and we need to resume humanitarian aid to gaza and at this time we have a hundred

01:45:59.160 million dollars from the government of canada that is ready to be provided in humanitarian aid

01:46:05.720 to gaza with organizations that are working there and that's key and i agree with mr singh

01:46:15.080 there are only a couple of groups that are working in gaza right now

01:46:21.960 it's a very unique situation in canada and in quebec the jewish community is victims of radical

01:46:32.140 islamists palestinians are currently victims of terrible violence from the israeli regime

01:46:41.980 we have to help people in distress there and elsewhere it's the best way to have international

01:46:47.440 aid that is not military we need to allow people to live happily where they live and

01:46:54.600 Palestine will not become mar-a-lago for Americans that just want to chill on the coast

01:47:00.620 we have to see where the money goes we have to see how much money is is taken by Hamas

01:47:08.100 is maybe less now but it was huge in the past a lot of money was taken from the

01:47:12.760 Palestinians we have to help help Palestinians at the end of the day

01:47:15.320 international aid so the three of you on this side would continue

01:47:18.720 Mr. Poliev do you have an amount in in your mind of how much you would cut in

01:47:25.920 in international aid we're going to target waste in all programs we will

01:47:32.680 audit to identify examples like unra when they used uh funds for hamas we're also also going to

01:47:44.920 find other examples of international waste because sorry the decision is to protect canadian taxpayers

01:47:57.240 we all agree that there's a lot of suffering here in canada and canadians can't afford to pay their

01:48:03.800 bills so we need to find some savings in order to reduce the cost of living here in canada

01:48:10.840 i would like to come back to you and we need to look at all departments in order to find those

01:48:16.360 savings and protect affordability no amount to the question of god i'm sorry everyone's had their

01:48:23.160 peace to say the situation is heartbreaking it's heartbreaking to see innocent people being killed

01:48:29.240 mr carney why don't you call things as they are this is a genocide people in israel do deserve 1.00

01:48:35.640 peace and security but people in palestine do as well what is going on right now is a genocide

01:48:40.520 against people in palestine why won't you admit it um the situation in gaza in the middle east is

01:48:47.480 horrible but it's a genocide but i never use that word in a political way to politicize the situation

01:49:01.080 all right it's a matter of facts that was mr khani's response i think we've understood

01:49:06.680 uh your question mr singh now we'll be moving on to the next theme identity and sovereignty

01:49:17.480 would be good to put flags out on our balconies to show our canadian pride i was surprised to see

01:49:24.680 how proud people were we're canadian we will not be americans i think we're going to be more united

01:49:34.680 i think i haven't seen this in a long time so yes we've all seen this across canada

01:49:42.520 all commentators have seen this there is a wave of patriotism in canada but we've also seen deep

01:49:51.160 divisions in the west alberta says it may separate and we've got six months to the next prime minister

01:50:00.840 to meet its requests otherwise there could be a crisis of national unity that is unprecedented

01:50:08.840 In Quebec, the Parti Québécois is nearing power

01:50:13.240 and is promising a referendum during your term, possibly.

01:50:17.680 At the end of the day, are we not as divided or as the U.S. or very divided?

01:50:26.240 We'll go around the table, Mr. Poiliev first.

01:50:29.460 Unfortunately, yes, there are divisions all across Canada, all kinds of divisions.

01:50:34.720 And I think that we've had a federal government that has divided everyone, pitting regions against one another and various groups against one another, social classes pitted against one another.

01:50:54.820 we need to unite Canadians we need to unite around our common identity that includes the

01:51:01.780 French language our English language our military the promise of Canada that anyone who works hard

01:51:09.140 can have a great life in a beautiful house on a safe street mr. Singh is there not a division

01:51:17.380 in canada when i travel throughout the country i observe great unity great solidarity

01:51:27.780 canadians want to defend our country they do not want to become the 51st

01:51:33.300 state they want to protect what is dear to our hearts when i talk to people about identity

01:51:39.860 people tell me our identity is taking care of one another we have programs for that for example

01:51:45.300 our health care system we need to protect these systems and strengthen them not cut them or

01:51:50.660 sacrifice them now is the time to bring people together thank you to get things done with our

01:51:56.660 solidarity thank you mr blanchet i think that people confuse certain things some people think

01:52:07.380 that all canadians should follow one single line behind the federal government and so we only have

01:52:13.060 one economy mr trump's fear or rather the threat of mr trump has to be taken seriously but

01:52:21.860 instrumentalizing it for nation building in canada

01:52:27.860 where quebec are being asked to be attached to their language as a frivolity i can't agree with 0.82

01:52:35.460 that thank you is also economic and we have to be on the same level well there's always a risk

01:52:49.140 but i think that right now canadians are uniting and they want to unite

01:52:55.060 canadians want a positive agenda there is solidarity here health health care is a right

01:53:05.860 here in canada it's not a big business like in the united states we put a value on diversity here

01:53:15.140 and we also put importance on judicial independence and you know the potential

01:53:22.180 of canada is enormous because we're all in this together thank you so open debate mr blanchet

01:53:29.860 how can we think that quebec if it's on its own and independent could be stronger

01:53:36.020 to stand up to trump and in comparison comparison with all of canada right now

01:53:40.900 does canada need to be a province of mexico to be allied to mexico against the states

01:53:47.380 we're not in that debate this week but quebec does not need to be a canadian province to talk

01:53:54.580 of its own voice our economy is doing fairly well but our economy is different to that of canada's

01:54:00.660 and the announcement announcements that have been made have helped ontario steel ontario

01:54:06.340 banking on tar the ontario automotive industry to fund western oil that is what those investments

01:54:14.420 made the counter tariffs on aluminium are very harmful because people have to pay for the

01:54:22.900 aluminium they sent to be processed in the states there's then re-import into canada

01:54:27.300 two billion dollars to the states in countervailing tariffs for that nothing happened

01:54:37.860 but now two billion dollars has simply been signed by mr carney for the automotive industry

01:54:44.420 he sees himself as a negotiator but he hasn't even been re-elected yet should quebec has not

01:54:50.980 make sure that they have a strong voice that collaborates i've already said that we would

01:54:57.220 work with canada but i've asked to speak to mr carney but he's never called me he's never wanted

01:55:02.180 to talk to me i want quebec to be at the negotiating table for a stronger negotiating

01:55:08.020 position with canada is there also not a risk uh like was the case uh with the automotive industry

01:55:15.380 in ontario uh to this because uh this could happen uh to the detriment of saving other

01:55:23.700 industries in our country if we put all our eggs in automotive not at all for example our counter

01:55:31.060 tariffs for the aluminum sector and steel no no they're not bad they're not bad at all

01:55:38.020 We import aluminium cans from the States, that comes from our mined aluminium at all.

01:55:46.720 If I may, the counter tariffs for the aluminium sector are $30 billion.

01:55:53.960 The counter tariffs, or $30 billion rather, the counter tariffs for the automotive sector, that's $8 billion.

01:56:00.340 That's a huge difference because, you know, there are a number of reasons for this.

01:56:05.660 but our counter tariffs it's not just for Quebec it's for the workers there are much higher

01:56:14.180 I don't know where that money came from and I don't know when the industry will get that money

01:56:19.500 we are using we are using the counter tariffs what was it two billion dollars for automotive

01:56:23.180 immediately for them because we're shaking in our boots when the automotive industry is at risk but

01:56:31.060 Aluminium was not supported. There's no processing capacity.

01:56:34.760 There's no help for temporary work losses.

01:56:38.100 $2 billion for the automotive industry, but nothing for aluminium.

01:56:42.460 When it's Ontario, the checks come flying, but it has to be the same for other places, especially Quebec.

01:56:48.740 The numbers, your numbers are wrong.

01:56:52.740 Mr. Paul Yev?

01:56:53.620 Yeah, but he's got a point when he says that the weakness in our country right now threatens our unity.

01:57:04.140 Your Liberal government for 10 years has the worst track record on immigration, on housing, on inflation, on crime.

01:57:15.940 but doesn't it embarrass you to ask Canadians for a fourth term of office after the worst

01:57:25.400 Liberal record? I've just become leader. Same members of parliament, same, it's the same old

01:57:36.220 promises. And I've been Prime Minister for one month and in that month we have an agreement

01:57:41.200 with the provinces, we have an agreement with Australia, we have an agreement with France,

01:57:45.320 we have an agreement with the united kingdom we have set up negotiations for the next prime

01:57:51.400 minister and that's a decision that people at home are going to make and we've done all of that

01:57:57.960 in this short time and we've also cut the tax we've put in place programs for workers

01:58:06.680 who are most affected by this terrafort and all that in one month quebec sent a letter with five

01:58:15.480 requests no one responded to it we made requests we keep hearing oh we spoke to provinces things

01:58:25.080 are great with quebec but we didn't get any response to our letter is it because of the

01:58:32.360 final straight of the election campaign what's going on mr karni you described health care as

01:58:37.560 a right and i agree with that but you are talking about massive cuts to health care you admitted it

01:58:44.200 mr singh i let you speak earlier

01:58:49.080 the long time liberal government leader kareena

01:58:58.360 i let you speak more earlier but now we're nearing the end we're talking about quebec and french

01:59:04.680 does quebec have the right to defend french even at the cost of using the notwithstanding clause

01:59:14.920 upstream mr polyeth yes quebec must defend french it's the common language of quebec and i will

01:59:27.960 defend french my father was a francophone from saskatchewan i lost my french a little bit when

01:59:37.560 i was a teenager but i married a quebecer our children speak french and i understand why

01:59:43.320 french needs to be protected and that is why i will continue to support laws and policies that

01:59:49.560 allow quebec and the federal government to protect french all across using the notwithstanding clause

01:59:55.160 to protect uh something what you're against that mr carney well there is a general question here

02:00:05.160 around the use of the notwithstanding clause in a preventative way and it's not necessarily a

02:00:11.560 question just for quebec it's been used in quebec but it's could also apply in alberta saskatchewan

02:00:18.200 and ontario and it has and so the question is do we have rights and freedoms here in canada

02:00:24.680 are we equal and we need to consider the right balance

02:00:32.840 certainly but the use of the notwithstanding clause in a preventative way that's a question

02:00:37.400 for the supreme court mr blanchet in terms of the use of the notwithstanding clause

02:00:42.760 obviously you have no problem with that jean chretien on behalf of pierre trudeau

02:00:49.240 negotiated with the provinces and it led to the notwithstanding clause and this wasn't signed

02:00:54.520 on by quebec it was tested it's not the type of use that is in question it's how it is used the

02:01:04.280 supreme court has already decided mr khani wants to turn to the supreme court to disagree with

02:01:09.320 itself in the decision it made with quebec there are it was it's all funded with quebec money

02:01:15.720 interveners from quebec who have challenged this to the supreme court you are going to take quebec

02:01:21.400 taxpayer money to contest a quebec bill that is under quebec jurisdiction there is that was

02:01:27.960 adopted by the national assembly of quebec interesting on this uh notwithstanding clause

02:01:32.920 for france i believe in protecting the french language

02:01:38.280 during this debate i have tried to bring up health a few times mr roy cut me off a number of times

02:01:43.400 look at my time on the clock every time i tried to bring up health care i was responding directly

02:01:50.200 to something that mr carney said because health is something that is important for me it is about

02:01:54.920 identity it's something i am very passionate about and every time i tried to bring it up

02:02:00.040 mr roa called me out and cut me off that is not fair for me the question of health care is crucial

02:02:07.240 when i talk to people on the street and ask them what is important to them they say universal

02:02:12.280 public health care people ought to know that the other leaders on this stage tonight would cut

02:02:19.800 health care funding and i think that's wrong no no no not now mr blanchette no

02:02:30.920 and i need to tell people because it's important this is what i believe in

02:02:35.560 this is what i believe in and what the endp believes in that's not right to make allegations

02:02:40.040 like that we talked about health earlier i let you speak but now we're moving on to another topic

02:02:45.320 yes but now we need to bring it up in in the context of identity what is ident canadian

02:02:49.960 identity healthcare we have to bring it up in this part of the debate canadian identity is

02:02:55.640 about taking care of one another we need our universal public health care system it should

02:03:00.520 be strengthened it should be protected we are in the midst of a health care crisis

02:03:05.880 it's supposed to be an open debate so we should be able to talk about whatever topic comes up

02:03:10.680 there's a lot of risk when it comes to the health of a language let's talk about language there's

02:03:19.400 health care issues in quebec as well and i am here to protect the healthcare system for everyone

02:03:23.720 including quebec outside of quebec mr singh and others the weighting of francophones has gone from

02:03:31.240 six percent and 71 to 3.5 in 2021 how will you reverse this trend people are listening to you

02:03:39.400 across canada well first of all we are going to increase the level of francophone immigrants

02:03:48.280 outside of quebec we'll increase that from 10 to 12 percent second we will strengthen radio canada

02:03:56.760 and cbc with new governance structure and new money mr polyev wants to cut that we are going

02:04:05.240 to strengthen the telefilm industry and the Canadian Council for the Arts so that we can

02:04:10.760 increase training. All right, Mr. Polyev. First of all, the Conservative Party supported

02:04:19.080 the federal legislation to ensure that federally regulated workplaces in Quebec follow Bill 101.

02:04:28.600 We also will increase funding to allow young people to take part in French immersion for anglophones coming from outside Quebec, and that will enrich the French language.

02:04:44.020 and third we'll make sure quebec has more control over immigrant selection so that they can better

02:04:51.540 choose those who can be france-sized and integrated into the labor market and quebec culture

02:05:00.660 that's what we want to do to protect the french language mr collier of course your position on

02:05:06.900 radio canada and the cbc has created a lot of concerns um you've continued to say that you

02:05:14.340 would protect radio canada because it provides a service to my francophone minorities across

02:05:19.540 the country but you would abolish the cbc how is such a thing possible well it is possible

02:05:26.420 we have news networks but they share the same buildings you understand how difficult i do

02:05:31.460 understand the situation i will protect radio canada's services because there's already

02:05:39.940 there's already other french language news services tva is an example so it is possible to have

02:05:49.140 news service that's focused on french news services and the cbc can just operate with its own

02:05:56.740 revenues as an NGO, as a non-governmental organization. The principle is that the

02:06:03.220 government should simply do what the market cannot do and the market would never be able to

02:06:12.820 provide exclusive French services to francophones all across Canada. So there is a role for the

02:06:20.580 government to play in defending French news services. When I was a young person in Calgary

02:06:25.700 that was the only way for me to get news in french so i would protect those services because there's

02:06:32.660 a good reason to do that let me uh translate that mr paulia wants to get rid of radio canada

02:06:43.620 and then he would write a check to other companies so that they can provide french

02:06:48.260 language services that's the wrong thing to do we would protect radio canada and cbc

02:06:53.780 especially in the context of misinformation which is undermining our democracy

02:06:59.780 i'm not a francophone but i am a francophile i love the french language i have fallen in love with

02:07:05.460 it enriches our country having quebec benefits all of canada the forward-thinking ideas that

02:07:16.580 have come out of quebec we need quebec we need the french language and we will protect them

02:07:20.500 For the first time since 2011, there are no women here as leaders.

02:07:28.920 I met with a young woman.

02:07:30.860 This is a very short clip.

02:07:32.760 I met with her earlier this week.

02:07:34.060 Do you have a question for the leaders, something you're concerned about?

02:07:38.200 In Canada, the status of women.

02:07:41.320 Yeah, the status of women. 1.00

02:07:42.960 You're worried about things moving backward?

02:07:45.220 Yes, that there could be a rollback of women's rights by some parties. 1.00

02:07:50.380 that concerns me my question would you commit to making sure that there are no women's rights that 1.00

02:07:58.380 are rolled back and for example would you push for having free contraception as is already the case

02:08:04.620 in some provinces is that something that you would commit to starting with mr polyev

02:08:12.380 we will not eliminate that we will protect women's rights i have a message for canadian

02:08:17.820 women who are watching we will not pass legislation that would restrict the right to abortion that's 1.00

02:08:26.140 been our policy for 20 years and it won't change that's a guarantee that i make to you

02:08:32.700 we will in fact broaden women's rights by dealing with crime against women women are often victims

02:08:42.220 of assaulters who are released because of liberal legislation they're released repeatedly and that

02:08:52.220 allows serious criminals to repeat offend against women and we are going to lock those people up

02:09:00.780 we're going to lock those men up to protect women against violence of course our party believes in

02:09:07.660 women's rights we would never allow for any backsliding on that front you brought up 1.00

02:09:16.940 pharmacare well it was the ndp that forced the liberal government to put bring in pharmacare

02:09:23.820 it covers now diabetes medication but also contraceptives and we believe that is crucial

02:09:30.060 rights are important but being able to access the right is also important we are also the only party

02:09:36.220 running a candidate slate that is half women the other parties have seen backsliding on their

02:09:42.620 candidate slates in terms of diverse people and women but for us it's an important issue our

02:09:48.860 candidate slate must represent the canadian public and that means it should be half women 0.95

02:09:57.340 for us we will always defend women's rights and also access thank you mr those rights

02:10:04.460 There is no member of the Bloc Québécois that will be able to table a bill or motions that are against abortion.

02:10:17.720 Preventive mage will also not be allowed.

02:10:21.800 With American influence, we are in a very difficult place for women. 1.00

02:10:27.600 There are many ways that invite women to participate in politics. 0.99

02:10:34.760 We have reached parity with the Bloc Québécois.

02:10:36.820 We wanted it to be 50-50, but in our current political culture,

02:10:42.320 and I have many great women in my party, 0.97

02:10:45.960 it's much more difficult at the federal level than in Quebec.

02:10:49.940 Yes, I think that this, an aspect of politics right now,

02:10:55.060 the negative politics that we're seeing it's becoming more and more difficult to recruit

02:10:59.940 women as candidates and really any candidate but absolutely we defend the rights of women

02:11:07.860 all the time but what i'm concerned about is the use of the notwithstanding clause

02:11:13.680 not in a preventative way but after supreme court judgments have been made

02:11:21.580 that what does that do it takes away the canadians rights and freedoms and it creates and mr polyev

02:11:31.860 has proposed this for you know for i know i know the situation but this is a very dangerous

02:11:39.960 development because if we start with that abortion could be give the right to right to abortion

02:11:46.940 could eventually be next. Mr. Solyev, you can answer. Mr. Carney, I said in a case where a man

02:11:54.720 kills six people in a premeditated way and the court released that person, that means he served

02:12:03.460 four years for each life he took. The criminal in that case will be free in 50 years. You're

02:12:10.520 talking about danger that's what's dangerous liberal laws liberal laws that allow criminals

02:12:18.680 to circulate on our streets i will never excuse for locking murderers up no i'm sorry but you're

02:12:28.100 trying to change the canadian constitution all right gentlemen you've proposed i would use

02:12:34.400 section 33 to put an end to the crime that liberals are starting with their policies where

02:12:40.880 will you stop by stopping murderers yes everyone knows that there should be severe penalties for

02:12:49.040 murder you're trying to sow division here everyone agrees on that front if someone

02:12:54.480 kills someone there needs to be a strong punishment you're not proposing that

02:12:58.720 act everyone agrees all right mr blanchet very quickly mr carney said that i voted for the new

02:13:11.120 official languages act bill the money comes from the previous bill and the official language

02:13:17.600 minority community money comes from the uh from the bill i was asked to bring changes we brought

02:13:26.160 the changes we voted for but we didn't want it to apply to quebec because it harms quebec

02:13:30.960 gentlemen

02:13:36.560 things don't didn't turn out perfectly but mr saying you see you got 22 minutes compared to 24

02:13:41.360 24 25 roughly equitable i'm sorry that i did have to have to cut off your mic but i'd like to wish

02:13:48.640 all four of you good luck with the rest of the campaign and i hope that we'll see your costed

02:13:53.600 plans as soon as possible so that we can see how much all of your promises will cost

02:13:58.880 and i hope that everyone listening tonight will be able to make an informed decision now

02:14:05.040 voting starts this weekend and the game and the match i don't know

02:14:12.800 still a couple of periods left all right thank you so much for being with us tonight

02:14:16.800 ladies and gentlemen that concludes this debate see you next time good night

02:14:23.600 all right ladies and gentlemen good evening i'm catherine lefranc welcome to the special show

02:14:32.000 following the french leaders debate that happened in the radio canada studios in montreal and i

02:14:38.800 will go through the performances of the various leaders i'm accompanied by genevieve tedier we

02:14:44.400 saw her prior to the debate we had a special program a show just before the debate and we

02:14:52.080 dealt with several topics let's continue now now we have our strategists so you know them

02:15:00.080 Christine St-Pierre, Angile Duceppe, Rodolphe should be with us in a couple of minutes let's

02:15:07.920 not wait for them let's start talking but let's integrate them once they arrive and we will be

02:15:14.960 interrupting the show as we go along because the leaders will be coming out for their scrums and

02:15:21.120 will be broadcasting that live each leader will have 10 minutes and it will be uh it'll be uh

02:15:29.920 each leader uh in his or his own time so let's start with you in the studios and if you have

02:15:36.640 your first impressions of this debate whether people wanted more information if this was the

02:15:42.720 first time that actually heard them from the leaders there was a lot of information given

02:15:46.480 And I think by the leaders, it was instructive.

02:15:49.680 Now, was there a winner in this debate?

02:15:51.680 That's the question everyone's asking.

02:15:53.100 I think after this evening that the polls will really change much in Quebec.

02:15:58.100 We'll see tomorrow with the English debate, of course.

02:16:00.540 But all the leaders succeeded in presenting their message.

02:16:07.120 But was it enough?

02:16:09.240 Was there enough attacking of Mark Carney?

02:16:13.080 I don't think Mr. Carney was really on the defensive.

02:16:15.300 he performed pretty well better than what people might have thought his french also was better than

02:16:19.220 what people might have thought it's not his mother tongue of course so we'll focus on that we'll

02:16:26.100 focus on the performance of leaders now farouk has just joined us hello good evening farouk

02:16:33.780 so we'll get back to that um but i want to get to your overview i and i can't cut you off like

02:16:40.980 patrice what did but the leaders in fact please be a bit disciplined what's your what's your

02:16:47.220 general take of the of the debate let's start with christine well the debate was very very interesting

02:16:56.180 hi i'm getting feedback we'll try and resolve that uh christine it's not easy when you can hear

02:17:04.180 you're going to get feedback right in your ears let's try let's try again let's try again we can

02:17:08.820 can hear you? Yeah, we can hear you very well. Now I can't hear you at all. So we'll come

02:17:13.880 back to you in a couple of minutes.

Western Standard - April 17, 2025

Federal leaders' French-language debate

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