Western Standard - Freedom in the Crossfire： Immigration, Censorship, and Gaza

00:00:00.000 G'day and welcome to The Pipeline.

00:00:28.020 And today's October 15th, 2025.

00:00:30.160 I'm Derek Phil LeBrand, publisher of the Western Standard.

00:00:33.040 I'm joined by our usual gang of malcontents,

00:00:36.860 Western Standard, former opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.

00:00:39.980 Never been more malcontented.

00:00:42.220 Good to be here.

00:00:43.560 Headed off on Jihad tomorrow, I think, is Corey Morgan.

00:00:48.860 Yes, it's my last domestic appearance for a little while.

00:00:54.600 And Western Standard, your BC colonist, Elise Mills.

00:00:58.020 hi guys

00:00:59.520 alright

00:01:01.180 well

00:01:02.720 Corey is going

00:01:05.160 to the Holy Land at a very interesting

00:01:07.980 time actually is it tomorrow you're heading off

00:01:09.900 tomorrow morning yeah tomorrow morning Corey is headed to Israel

00:01:12.260 going to do some on the ground

00:01:14.000 reporting for us there

00:01:14.960 very interesting time for you to be going

00:01:17.360 we have the so called peace deal

00:01:20.160 ending

00:01:21.740 I don't know how many air quotes

00:01:23.860 I'm going to have to do when we talk about this

00:01:25.920 subject

00:01:26.420 but ending for now

00:01:29.560 the war between Israel

00:01:31.600 and Hamas

00:01:32.500 how long is it going to hold

00:01:36.140 and

00:01:37.140 what's Palestine, Gaza, West Bank

00:01:40.740 what's it going to look like

00:01:42.180 when this is done

00:01:43.000 we're going to chew it up

00:01:44.660 freedom in Canada

00:01:48.140 looks to be headed

00:01:49.900 in the same direction as

00:01:51.560 the United Kingdom

00:01:52.720 took a while but it was finally conquered

00:01:56.100 It's now ruled by communists and Islamists, and you can't say anything that could hurt anyone's feelings online, and those laws are coming straight to Canada. 0.80

00:02:07.340 But we're going to begin with immigration aggravation. 0.86

00:02:13.380 Three big stories, just in the last 24 hours on immigration in Canada.

00:02:17.820 I mean, we used to go years without major immigration stories, years where it was just a non wasn't a big issue, except for I have to apologize, I guess, retroactively to people I used to call cranks.

00:02:30.800 Maybe they were on to something and I thought they were just total cranky and, you know, curmudgeonly guys.

00:02:37.460 And no, I guess I have to apologize in retrospect to some of these guys.

00:02:42.480 Just in the last day or two here, we've got an Ontario judge having the sentence for a Jamaican cocaine smuggler because he would face deportation and wouldn't get his citizenship.

00:02:56.520 We have to keep this career criminal in Canada.

00:02:59.960 If we send him to jail, we're not going to be able to give citizenship to the career criminal.

00:03:06.620 Citizenship and Immigration Canada just put out.

00:03:11.600 on social media, an advertisement to the world that, hey, guys, we got free health care,

00:03:17.600 free health care in Canada. So come to our shores and use our precious tax dollars for our already

00:03:23.820 massively overstrained and collapsed health care system. Comes at an interesting time because now

00:03:30.020 Parliament, I think at the behest of Michelle Rempel, a committee in Parliament is going to be

00:03:35.340 probing the link between immigration and strain on the Medicare system. So that's a lot to just

00:03:40.660 spew at you, Elise. That's okay. So let's start with what happened with the Ontario justice,

00:03:49.500 Robert Horton, Justice Robert Horton. He is one of many, many, what I would call activist judges

00:03:59.220 that are intervening with the criminal code or criminal law, but also putting their thumb on

00:04:05.040 the scale of justice when it comes to immigration law. So the story of Roosevelt Rush, the cocaine

00:04:10.640 dealing guy that you were just referring to. I'm sure his mother's very proud. He came to Canada

00:04:16.520 at 19. And while he may, it appears that he tried to have a few jobs, he suffered a back injury

00:04:23.700 as he was a forklift driver. But subsequent to that, the back injury apparently didn't get too

00:04:31.220 in the way of his criminal behavior because he kicked up a pretty significant career in crime,

00:04:39.180 trafficking fentanyl. He has firearm charges. And actually, while he appeared before Justice

00:04:47.480 Horton on a cocaine charge, he was actually, that stems from him being out on bail with a GPS

00:04:53.680 monitor roaming around Bellevue selling cocaine. He's out on bail selling cocaine, GPS monitor,

00:05:01.040 but police suspected that he'd be a problem. So they were tracking him. So the sentencing

00:05:05.560 that with Justice Horton that we're referring to is actually his second sentencing in a very short

00:05:11.320 period of time. That first conviction of fentanyl and firearms, it was six years. And the second

00:05:19.660 one is where Justice Horton gets involved and says, you know what, this poor guy, he suffered

00:05:24.720 racial discrimination, systemic racism. It's hard. He had a back injury as a forklift operator,

00:05:31.520 you know not you know failing to mention he's run from the police quite quite easily many times but

00:05:37.480 um you know he so he puts his finger on the scale and says well I can't give you the full

00:05:41.900 two-year sentence for trafficking 55 grams of cocaine I'm going to cut it in half because I

00:05:47.900 don't want you to get deported I or he doesn't say it exactly like that he says I do not want you

00:05:54.140 I do not want your offenses to get in way of your citizenship now since Mr. Rush was about

00:06:01.500 Rush, the convicted criminal in this case, convicted drug trafficker. And interestingly

00:06:07.980 enough, we're trying to get these guys out of the country. He didn't grow up in Canada. He didn't

00:06:15.180 suffer systemic racism as a lad, as the justice tries to refer to. In fact, he arrived in Canada

00:06:21.440 just before his 20th birthday. He's only 32 now. And in those 12 years, he spent a significant

00:06:26.980 portion of his life as a criminal. So this is part of a smattering of justices from British 0.84

00:06:33.800 Columbia, but mainly in Ontario that think they need to intervene, put their thumb on the scale

00:06:40.080 and they've really become activists. And my question when we see these stories is, remember

00:06:45.100 when we were all a very quaint little country and never wanted to see an elected judge or an

00:06:50.300 elected senator? Because we were trying to avoid this sort of political ideology going into our

00:06:56.120 courts or activism. But I think now we might have to look at how we're choosing our judges

00:07:01.420 in a different way. And I think it brings us back to elected senators and possibly elected judges.

00:07:07.900 Nigel, I would think that a drug smuggler is exactly the kind of person we don't want

00:07:16.100 as a citizen. Obviously, he cries systemic racism. Well, if it's so racist here,

00:07:23.100 Why are you here?

00:07:24.520 You obviously don't.

00:07:26.000 If it's such a racist place and you're so hard done by, why don't you go back? 1.00

00:07:30.820 You know, this guy is a career criminal.

00:07:35.160 And we now go out of our way to make sure that he's not just in prison, but that he could stay here for the rest of his life by becoming a citizen. 0.98

00:07:44.000 This is ass backwards.

00:07:46.040 Well, maybe the health system isn't as good as in Jamaica where he came from, and therefore he has to stay here. 1.00

00:07:52.300 I mean, that's one of those cranky old bastards you were apologizing to. 0.99

00:07:56.040 I am sorry. 0.98

00:07:56.900 Yeah, you know, and the trouble is that when I immigrated to this country more than 50 years ago,

00:08:04.840 there was quite a long list of things that you had to be able to do.

00:08:10.140 You had to be able to speak English properly.

00:08:12.860 If you spoke French, too, that was extra points.

00:08:15.300 And you just went down the list.

00:08:16.460 And in the end, they said, yeah, okay, you would be a good fit.

00:08:18.780 And that's how they did it, because they wanted a certain type of person immigrating to Canada.

00:08:24.380 Then in the 70s came family, sorry, the 80s came family reunification.

00:08:31.720 And that was, I guess, good.

00:08:34.240 You know, you want to bring your dad over so that he can live with you in his dotage and so forth.

00:08:39.620 And the standards kept changing and changing and widening and widening.

00:08:45.260 So now you do have people who come here from other countries, bringing with them their bad habits, and somehow or other, the judges are prepared to make that kind of a judgment that the worst possible thing that we could do in the administration of Canadian justice is to send somebody back who had misbehaved and abused our hospitality.

00:09:07.260 hospitality uh the the system is crazy there were people who saw it coming they were mocked derided

00:09:14.760 as racist and various other nasty things but you know they were right cory i i don't know if you're

00:09:23.640 at the camp where you owe people an apology or if you're owed an apology uh i think you like me you

00:09:28.380 were pretty good on pretty open on immigration i'm still pro-immigration if it's done right 0.99

00:09:34.360 But before raising the warning flags quite a while back, mass immigration, that's the term that has to come in.

00:09:41.940 I mean, you know, everything in quantity.

00:09:43.840 And we've had mass immigration for over a decade.

00:09:46.640 And even most reasonable moderates now are admitting our system can't handle the amount coming in of people, whether it's health care, education, housing.

00:09:56.140 We're getting pressured on all fronts.

00:09:57.740 So I'm happy to see some of the other people admitting now that, okay, this is problematic.

00:10:02.640 it. We got to do something about it, but I don't have much faith that we're going to do anything

00:10:05.840 about it. If we can't even find the courage as a country to get rid of the Coke dealers,

00:10:10.300 how are we going to screen the, even the, the semi-reasonable immigrants that we would have 1.00

00:10:16.200 to turn away just to bring levels down to a manageable number. We don't have the courage

00:10:20.280 as a nation to get rid of the, or the other gentleman who was trying to hire a teenage 0.99

00:10:24.160 prostitute. Uh, we couldn't get him out of the country either. So I fear people are realizing 0.97

00:10:30.440 there's a problem but this country is incapable of solving it and that's problematic well this is 0.98

00:10:34.720 what's going to radicalize people on immigration here it's this kind of crap um you know i mentioned 0.96

00:10:39.860 at the top of this segment you know that just now immigration and citizenship canada putting out 0.97

00:10:46.200 advertisements to the third world saying free health care immigration is supposed to be a trade

00:10:53.060 between two parties the person who gets to go to canada which is probably a richer and safer and

00:11:00.200 nicer place than where they came from, so they get the benefit by it. But the host country should 0.97

00:11:06.440 get to benefit by it. We're bringing in people that we need for some kind of job. They're going

00:11:12.860 to pay into the tax base, especially when you've got an aging population because we don't want to 1.00

00:11:17.940 have kids anymore. And while they're here, they have to behave. They have to assimilate. They got

00:11:26.100 They'll learn the language.

00:11:28.040 They can practice their religion, but they can't stick it in our faces 1.00

00:11:31.260 and denigrate the traditions of the host society.

00:11:36.360 But we've lost any sense that we are even a host society.

00:11:41.400 It's now this idea that, oh, it's stolen land and everyone's an immigrant.

00:11:45.740 No, the people who came here 150 years ago in Alberta and settled the frozen prairie,

00:11:51.420 they were settlers.

00:11:52.360 And settlers is not a dirty word. 0.98

00:11:53.880 Those were hard sons of bitches that are doing stuff that almost none of us would be able to do today. 1.00

00:12:00.780 You know, and then subsequent waves came as immigrants. 0.99

00:12:03.100 But now now it's just an invasion.

00:12:05.100 Now it's there seems to be no discernible benefit to the people here.

00:12:10.060 And when we don't even keep track of millions of people who came here as temporary foreign workers or on phony student visas,

00:12:19.120 the government knew we're phony to begin with and let it happen anyway with a wink, wink deal.

00:12:23.880 um when we have known criminals and we go out of our way to keep them here and then give them

00:12:29.640 citizenship this is what turns people like me who believed in relatively open-ish migration

00:12:39.320 being opening to the world bringing people here uh it turns people like me into thinking

00:12:46.440 we just need to stop it and and there's going to be a lot of good people who i actually would

00:12:50.440 otherwise like to be here but it's so wildly out of control that we just got to put a hard bloody

00:12:55.640 stop to it it's this is this is our our politics on immigration is now poisoned or becoming poisoned

00:13:02.920 the way it has been in a little bit in the united states and is now in europe right now where

00:13:08.280 something that was a good has become an existential threat to the host society

00:13:12.440 you know derek it's a you drew attention to that ad that they put out saying come here

00:13:19.080 free health care and if you object to that straight away people think well you're being

00:13:23.960 racist actually there are a lot of people who came here under the old way who worked hard did well

00:13:31.080 are not white who would feel exactly the same way and so we've got to get past this idea that

00:13:38.280 somehow the only people who object to mass immigration are people like us like elise well

00:13:44.120 Well, I think things have things have really changed.

00:13:47.160 I actually saw a poll and I wish I could pull the name of the polling company because it's a great poll.

00:13:53.660 It talks about the shift and it speaks very much to what you're saying, Nigel, but it also speaks to what you're talking about, Derek, which is this idea of how do regular people, people that we've all sat next to at different times, how do they get, quote unquote, radicalized or how do they become like seething with anger?

00:14:11.800 and you see them at these protests, they suddenly something switches. What it is, is how we're

00:14:17.780 looking at immigration. So number one, we have the highest rate of temporary Canadians in this

00:14:22.640 country in our history. 7.2% of our population are temporary Canadians. That's 3 million people

00:14:30.340 here. That's a number that has just shown up in a relatively short period of time. That's only

00:14:36.220 six years it took to create that within that temporary status you have the humanitarian what

00:14:43.900 is it the humanitarian claim support system that they refuse to turn anybody away we just saw

00:14:50.560 another story um i believe it was out of saskatchewan where the you know a nigerian family

00:14:57.580 has been asked to leave uh because they came under false pretenses claiming they needed political

00:15:02.320 asylum and they don't want to leave because their child has leukemia and they think canada owes it

00:15:07.080 to them i do not want to see children die of leukemia but i also it's not my responsibility

00:15:11.940 to pick up your check i am waiting 18 hours just to get into biotics the other thing is i'd say

00:15:18.160 that british columbia which people and i will joke with you is very left and and not necessarily

00:15:23.300 connected to important issues there is seething anger about that ircc post or immigration canada

00:15:29.320 post um and i would say that well over from that poll well over 65 of canadians think this has gone

00:15:37.000 too far uh so when bc bc in this country is ground zero for the collapse of the greatest lie ever

00:15:43.800 told which is free health care um you're going to see very angry people so i don't think we should

00:15:49.960 discount it i think things have shifted nigel um and i have to tell you uh my parents emigrated 0.74

00:15:55.640 to this country i know exactly what those rules were and i actually attended their citizenship

00:15:59.900 ceremony when i was eight years old and i remember it very well and it was something my parents

00:16:05.360 reminded me that was a privilege uh not a right to be canadian well before we move on um i'm gonna

00:16:12.920 be a good segue to the uk the i think people have shipped and they've shifted very decisively

00:16:20.540 very quickly whereas in europe and in the united states it built up to it more over time whereas

00:16:26.520 in canada we had this overwhelming uh consensus on immigration anyone who talked about it was

00:16:33.540 instantly denounced as a racist bigot far out there um and then it turned around really quickly

00:16:40.320 but in places where it's been an issue for longer the people have voted to end it but it doesn't

00:16:46.400 seemed to end. So the UK, one of the biggest drivers behind Brexit was control over their

00:16:53.280 own migration. And that was a damned important thing for them to do. It hasn't gotten any better 1.00

00:16:59.820 after Brexit. Illegal aliens are showing up by the dinghy load in Britain every single day. 1.00

00:17:07.740 It doesn't end. The United States appears to be uniquely able to... Poland and Hungary don't have this issue because they just never allowed it to happen to begin with. They kept borders in place their whole time, and they decided they don't want to go down the road of relativist multiculturalism.

00:17:27.060 The United States is at tremendous cost in several ways trying to stop this, but it seems that no matter what people vote for, it doesn't change.

00:17:41.220 The people of the UK voted for that.

00:17:42.820 The people of Germany voted to end this, and they've still got a left-wing government that has totally open borders.

00:17:49.180 The people of the UK voted to leave the European Union over, which is a much bigger decision than just putting a party in power, and the Conservatives continued.

00:17:57.060 to allow it to happen so i just kind of leave it with that that i i'm not sure you can vote your

00:18:01.560 way out of this kind of thing well you look at the numbers though that came out today look at

00:18:06.640 the reform numbers if an election was held in the united kingdom today nigel lafarge is going to

00:18:13.140 rock it through it is a huge surge and starmer should be very concerned he you know people are

00:18:19.780 already writing his obituary and you know well i it might be it might be sooner rather than later

00:18:28.240 i don't know i don't know i don't know but it's it's in all likeliness probably three years away

00:18:33.200 and even then i gotta wonder people have voted to end this stuff before they voted for brexit

00:18:38.580 they voted for the conservatives all of it was supposed to fix it and nothing has improved and

00:18:44.480 And I, you know, Cardi promised to fix it here.

00:18:47.360 Obviously, it's not going to get fixed here.

00:18:49.760 So anyway, so this is a good, I think, segue into what's coming to Canada from the UK.

00:18:57.220 I guess disastrous migration policy is one.

00:19:00.300 Now, UK style, German style totalitarianism, where, you know, online hate speech, hate

00:19:09.740 speech as broadly as possibly defined we're not talking guys with cranky even cranky opinions

00:19:16.340 anymore which i still don't think anyone should have ever faced criminal charge for you should

00:19:20.380 be allowed to spew whatever kind of cranky nonsensical ideas you want in a free society

00:19:25.660 as long as you're not actively counseling the harm of an individual or group um but now uh the

00:19:33.420 UK is throwing people in prison by the thousands for posting things, you know, people saying

00:19:40.060 online, I don't want my tax dollars going to migrants who are committing crimes. 0.95

00:19:45.240 Okay, you might, maybe you think that's an unpleasant thing to say, even if it's true. 0.95

00:19:49.800 You might think that's an unpleasant thing to say, but people go into prison for it there.

00:19:53.520 And Nigel, you know, you've written on this, that this is now coming to Canada.

00:19:58.200 First of all, you actually summarized the situation pretty much the way I was going

00:20:05.160 to introduce the subject. You've had successive governments that have dropped the ball in

00:20:09.720 controlling illegal immigration. When people complain, instead of fixing the problems,

00:20:15.000 the British government has been trying to fix the complainers, which they have done quite

00:20:19.080 effectively. They actually started emptying out the jails of people who were put in there for

00:20:25.000 actual crimes a pettier variety but they're still crimes and they still merit a jail time

00:20:29.960 they were getting those people out so that they could put the people who had expressed unpleasant

00:20:37.480 opinions on the internet into the jails and when they ran out of room in jails they made a deal

00:20:42.920 with i think it was lithuania to ship some of our um our more belligerent free speech advocates

00:20:49.560 to lithuania maybe it was latvia but it was one of the belting states to go to jail there i mean

00:20:56.060 is it you can't make this stuff up now you're saying it's coming to canada well it's uh

00:21:03.500 it's free speech has gone out the window and we have a government here that doesn't want any

00:21:11.780 trouble so would people please shut up unless of course you were of the palestinian persuasion in 1.00

00:21:16.960 which case you sort of stand back and wave your kefir and your palestinian flag so they have passed

00:21:24.400 legislation putting the internet under the control of the crtc that was bill c11 that was done two

00:21:31.600 years ago and so it was the online news act which had the effect of taking news off facebook

00:21:37.840 and then they tried to pass bill c69 and what bill c69 would have done it died on the order

00:21:46.160 paper before the election but what it would have done is criminalize the kind of comments

00:21:51.040 that people do make that are not racist are not they are just expressions of disgust and contempt

00:21:58.160 for the kind of government malfeasance that we're looking at now it didn't pass but now we find that

00:22:09.200 they've only been back in office a few months and they have bill c9 an act to amend the criminal

00:22:15.920 code which is basically back to internet censorship even though the government says it isn't now i

00:22:21.760 want to quote michael geist here michael geist is uh you know an internet guru somebody who's

00:22:27.360 opinionized certainly um you know i i look it up and then i write it down and pretend it's my own

00:22:34.080 so you know you're a pretty credible source i plead right we call that we call that research

00:22:38.640 yeah and uh anyway michael geist has raised significant concerns about the potential

00:22:44.400 impact of the Combating Hate Act, that's what it's called, Bill C-9, the effect on fundamental

00:22:50.400 rights and freedoms, particularly free speech. And his criticisms include the very vague definitions.

00:22:56.800 He argues that the bill uses vaguely defined language and a lower threshold for hatred,

00:23:04.080 which could lead to its misuse. Don't forget these cases, if there are cases, end up before

00:23:08.720 a Human Rights Commission where you don't have all the defenses of the criminal code. Instead,

00:23:14.000 it's just well he said well he must be wrong then um anyway all this gets used to misuse a stifle

00:23:20.080 debate and the lack of clarity around what constitutes hatred could make disagreement

00:23:26.720 a crime if it offends somebody and it shifts the standard from facts to feelings and once you get

00:23:32.720 into the area of feelings you know oh i i felt offended so so i'm due i'm due some compensation

00:23:40.080 and you, sir, should go to jail. 0.85

00:23:42.060 That's what we've got in front of us.

00:23:44.000 And now, of course, our own government says,

00:23:45.980 no, no, no, they lie.

00:23:48.700 We don't trust them.

00:23:49.940 At least, you know, I mean,

00:23:52.280 Canada has never had quite the free speech,

00:23:54.860 level of free speech as the United States,

00:23:56.940 where, you know, the Congress shall pass no act

00:23:59.580 to restrict freedom of expression.

00:24:02.260 Pretty friggin' clear.

00:24:03.640 The only things you cannot do in the United States

00:24:06.220 is defame someone,

00:24:08.260 So you cannot lie about someone publicly and defame their character.

00:24:12.500 Okay, that's pretty airtight.

00:24:18.420 Well, its application might not be, but the idea of it at least is.

00:24:22.060 And then in terms of hate, you cannot say,

00:24:27.880 I want everyone to go outside Tuesday at 10 o'clock and kill someone from X group. 1.00

00:24:35.120 because that is counseling a crime that is conspiracy to commit a crime you can't do that 0.97

00:24:42.920 but you can say i hate x group y group is bad they smell funny you can do that um you can't

00:24:51.900 even do those things in canada and i and i think you should those are unpleasant and impolite

00:24:56.780 things to say but in a free society you should be able to say i don't like those people though

00:25:01.300 those people over there eat funny food and i don't like i don't like their soups they're uh

00:25:05.760 i don't like faux i don't know i don't know who would say that but it should be your god-given

00:25:09.860 right to say i hate those people have no face i'm going pretty far i'm going pretty far on faux 0.51

00:25:17.400 um you know what i i support my i'm i'm joining a new constituency crotchety curmudgeons and

00:25:24.840 their opinions. I'm solely entering into that world. And I feel that we're better off with

00:25:33.680 the crotchety curmudgeons. And young people listening to this may not think crotchety 0.99

00:25:38.020 is the real word, but it is. So please use Google for something other than whatever you're

00:25:43.220 doing. But, you know, we're all we all have it within us. And I think what I'm watching

00:25:49.860 in the uk first of all when i first started to see it i could not believe it i thought maybe this is

00:25:56.180 you know this is media that's twisting and turning this but this is just shocking um and the uk has

00:26:02.900 become a laughing stock it's it it was once the bastion of free speech and literary literature

00:26:09.780 and the greatest parts of our democracy and look at it now uh it's a shell of itself um and it's

00:26:16.820 It's a good lesson for us because this is what happens when government betrays its people.

00:26:23.580 And in the UK, it started, the betrayal and the lies started with the conservatives and

00:26:29.020 it's only manifested itself.

00:26:31.180 It's only increased itself with the labor government.

00:26:35.940 And when that type of deep rooted betrayal begins, the citizenry has to have a way to

00:26:42.260 fight back.

00:26:43.260 often the only way to fight back is to maintain your freedom of speech and in Canada, that's

00:26:48.060 freedom of expression. And we're seeing that being systematically cut down in the UK predominantly,

00:26:55.260 but can't can under Trudeau, they tried to tackle this beast several different times

00:27:01.360 different, several different ways. And, you know, Bill C 63, which is the original piece

00:27:07.300 of legislation that has these you know you can't say you hate your neighbor uh or no well no you

00:27:14.180 can't think about hating your neighbor um and you can't think about putting that on the internet

00:27:18.660 because we're going to go in for thought crimes that to me was a sign that we had literally jumped

00:27:23.540 the shark in this country thought crimes were now going to be penalized or litigated um with serious

00:27:29.300 consequences attached to them so i think what i was saying in regards to the ircc issue which

00:27:35.620 is immigration canada talking about hey we have free health care and i said this on twitter and

00:27:39.460 i'll say it in regards to free speech and i will defend everyone's right to speech um that i want

00:27:46.740 people to fight i want you to litigate this i want you to stand on your corner and yell and talk and

00:27:53.300 scream and do whatever you have to do to hold the line in this country i would never have heard

00:27:59.140 myself say that five years ago gentlemen you wouldn't this is not the elise from five years

00:28:04.020 ago when I see what's happening in this country I want to litigate I want to sue the government

00:28:09.300 the betrayals that our governments commit on us is unfathomable I would not have imagined this

00:28:16.400 five years ago so fight for free speech and to prove that point say a lot of bad things that

00:28:22.120 will offend a lot of bad people you should be able to have the right to say it yeah Corey I mean

00:28:27.400 That's been on my mind, is that I might, and I would hope many others would intentionally commit hate crimes, even if we don't mean it.

00:28:37.480 Like, I'll start, you know, I'll make comments about faux, and I'll continue to turn up the heat until I finally get charged or something.

00:28:46.160 You know, that it's going to have to be challenged.

00:28:48.120 One part of this is they want to ban symbols of hate.

00:28:50.400 I don't think they mentioned anything by name except for the swastika or the swastika banner.

00:28:59.380 But that's not been illegal in Canada.

00:29:02.000 The only time I can ever recall one ever being flown in public in Canada, at least myself,

00:29:07.400 was during the Freedom Convoy when there was a masked individual who was later possibly identified as a Trauma Star employee.

00:29:17.000 That person has denied that it was them, but I have not seen any definitive evidence, yes or no, but it didn't make sense to be a Freedom Convoy person, but I mean, that is obviously a very strong symbol that evokes extremely strong feelings in people, but it is not until this bill likely passes been illegal to display it because displaying a symbol doesn't hurt anyone.

00:29:47.000 it might mean different things to different people

00:29:49.440 but

00:29:51.040 and it's got a general

00:29:53.460 meaning to it obviously but

00:29:55.060 holding a flag

00:29:57.460 no matter how offensive

00:29:58.980 like the hammer and

00:30:01.540 sickle to me is extremely offensive

00:30:02.880 many of my family were murdered

00:30:04.860 under the hammer and sickle it's extremely

00:30:07.080 offensive to me but I would not think that

00:30:09.380 it should be illegal for someone to display

00:30:11.400 it I would have contempt for them

00:30:13.000 maybe even hate for someone who displays the

00:30:15.380 hammer and sickle in a non-ironic way um but that that's not been put under here the hammer

00:30:21.480 and sickle is not a banned hate symbol in this the swastika is uh do you think it's reasonable to

00:30:29.860 as a part of this to in addition to just hurting feelings going to jail but uh banning you know

00:30:36.420 what is obviously a to put it extremely lightly a controversial symbol like the swastika should

00:30:40.780 to go to jail for flying it no and it's been legal to display that for you know time memorable

00:30:47.400 in canada the reason we so rarely see it is the the absolute correct and perfect reason because

00:30:53.680 most canadians find the symbol repugnant and would not smile upon somebody displaying it waving it

00:31:01.220 or showing it uh so that that drives it out of our public scroll just through societal change 0.65

00:31:07.940 or not accepting that ugliness being on display around ourselves.

00:31:12.560 But when you get the law into it, now you martyr people.

00:31:16.120 Now you drive it underground.

00:31:17.620 Now you give the paranoid man, the hateful man or woman or whatever,

00:31:22.080 more feeling and more reason to feel they are a victim.

00:31:24.720 And it doesn't solve the problem with those very few disturbed people

00:31:29.760 who want to wave cymbals like that.

00:31:31.980 It makes it worse.

00:31:33.420 But it gives the government a lot more rein and leeway.

00:31:36.420 And then where do you see, you know, I know it's just, it's a lazy way to go, but slippery slope arguments have merit to them, but other things are going to start getting banned and then symbols and, and going from there and, and intruding on them to channels.

00:31:49.260 Sorry.

00:31:50.480 I'm not going to fly to Tim.

00:31:52.280 I suspect one of my monologues or any one of my posts on X might still get me a foul of the law, but I'm not going to go goose step.

00:31:59.800 swastika that is someone from a german family but you you're you're you're a different background

00:32:06.460 you could you can't you still can't get away with it but you'd have a better time getting away with

00:32:10.840 it than me i wouldn't want to have to keep explaining the context yeah yeah that's just

00:32:15.320 going to be a that photo is going to live with you forever to be like come on i was protecting

00:32:19.720 the totalitarians i'm certain we could find a way to challenge it i think maybe not that one

00:32:23.980 Guys, I just want to mention that a lot of what in the banning of the swastika, which is, I don't think something we even imagine that we'd have to do.

00:32:32.920 I think part of this is a response to, I hate to say it, the mass immigration that is imported hate. 0.95

00:32:39.180 And I'm happy to say that.

00:32:40.760 If no one else is brave enough to say, I'm not suggesting you're not, we have imported hate into this country.

00:32:47.000 So swastika is one thing. 0.71

00:32:48.880 But what about flying the ISIS flag? 0.86

00:32:50.660 And I'm leaving that open to the three of you to think about because that, to me, is part of the criminal code.

00:32:56.820 We should be able to capture that.

00:32:58.060 The problem is, and in Vancouver, if you notice, Samadun or whatever it's called, that terrorist organization is openly gathering here.

00:33:05.300 VPD is not showing up.

00:33:06.860 RCMP is not showing up.

00:33:08.220 The city's not shutting it down.

00:33:09.800 It's a terrorist organization.

00:33:12.780 It's in the criminal code.

00:33:14.160 You should be able to pick them all up.

00:33:15.400 We have city councillors from Vancouver as guest speakers for a group of terrorists, flying flags.

00:33:24.700 You know, we're not implementing the laws that we have.

00:33:27.480 So what the bloody hell are we doing creating more?

00:33:30.460 Well, it's going to be selectively applied.

00:33:31.780 I mean, I don't think I'll try to be consistent here.

00:33:35.940 I don't think the ISIS flag should be illegal to be flown.

00:33:39.840 You know, Al Qaeda, I don't think was in the flag business so much, but whatever it is they use.

00:33:44.980 No, I don't.

00:33:45.820 Now, importing people who would want to fly these flags, 0.99

00:33:50.060 keep them all out.

00:33:52.040 It's a nice identifier of the people we don't want.

00:33:54.200 Yeah, like you're advertising deportment.

00:33:56.900 So, like, you're...

00:33:58.980 You have that Hezbollah flag in your carry-on luggage on the way in.

00:34:03.300 You know what?

00:34:04.220 You can go back.

00:34:05.340 You're doing your job.

00:34:06.680 You're help making...

00:34:07.760 If we had an ICE, if we had a real immigration control system,

00:34:11.300 they're helping do our jobs for us by flying those.

00:34:13.320 We get rid of the people.

00:34:13.940 But the flag itself shouldn't be illegal. If some dumbass white kid who grew up in the suburbs and is just yearning to struggle against something wants to go and, you know, fly the Hamas or the Hezbollah flag, it's disgusting. 1.00

00:34:28.340 But, you know, they're a citizen. It's their God-given right to do disgusting and stupid things, as long as you're not actively committing an act of violence and crime against a person. 1.00

00:34:40.680 You know, Derek, I think when Corey said earlier, like, who even wants to fly the swastika? 0.99

00:34:49.680 Like, you don't have to legislate against it.

00:34:52.680 The reason that it is in there is to give them a talking point.

00:34:56.680 If it was only the militant Islamist symbols that they had come down hard on, then, well, you're anti-Islam.

00:35:06.680 Well, no, no, no.

00:35:07.680 No, no, no.

00:35:08.620 But they didn't name a single militant Islamist flag or symbol.

00:35:13.660 They named only one.

00:35:16.380 Because, you know, we've had enough holly for a while.

00:35:19.720 It's a self-protection.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, we're going after Nazis. 0.74

00:35:23.340 Now, I don't think they're going to crack down on Hamas flags,

00:35:26.960 Hasbub flags, ISIS flags, that kind of thing.

00:35:30.480 Obviously, it's homophobic.

00:35:32.340 That made up word.

00:35:33.000 um so but no but if it was like a big list i could see okay they're gonna put that into show

00:35:39.260 it's not just picking on radical isles but they didn't even put in any other radical islamist

00:35:43.940 symbols they just put in one so i don't even think they're gonna go out for the radical islamist

00:35:47.740 symbols but you know what left keep this in mind left you the whenever people legislate against

00:35:55.040 free freedom of expression they never stop for a second to think it could be used against them

00:36:00.780 just picture for one second lefties who like this bill that the conservatives come to power

00:36:07.220 and they're going to put on this list the hammer and sickle uh or other socialist symbols or if

00:36:14.560 we're gonna have you know band music let's put rage against the machine on there i it's a good 0.98

00:36:19.160 sound but it's crazy communist shit um you know no one ever stops to think that this attack on 0.99

00:36:25.840 freedoms could ever be used against yourself and when the left does it they never think the right 0.99

00:36:29.680 would do it and when the right does it it's less often but when the right does it they never stop

00:36:34.080 to think that the left would use it against them too and it's just and it's deserving when it's

00:36:38.180 used against you in the saddle today and under the horse's heels tomorrow yes so true uh well 0.96

00:36:45.380 great great segue again uh because we're gonna talk peace in the middle east bullshit okay um 0.87

00:36:53.200 So, Corey, you're headed to do some journalism jihad tomorrow? 0.94

00:36:58.280 Yes.

00:36:58.760 Headed over.

00:37:00.340 So, you know, they've got the deal.

00:37:03.500 The hostages, thank God, are all returned.

00:37:06.800 There's some dispute over the remains of some murdered hostages.

00:37:11.120 But, I mean, I can't imagine that'll spark a war for remains.

00:37:15.660 God willing, that gets fixed here.

00:37:18.140 um i'm gonna be really interested to see uh you know what what you come back with

00:37:24.160 um the shooting war for now is over start up at any time again uh hezbollah as an organization

00:37:34.220 has been smashed but as an ideology as strong as it's ever been um benjamin netanyahu and his

00:37:41.780 government have made clear it's their intention to annex the west bank and do something with

00:37:47.580 They've talked now about

00:37:50.140 potentially backing off.

00:37:51.580 Trump has said no.

00:37:53.540 Trump has said no, but I mean

00:37:55.380 he also said no to attacking Iran.

00:37:57.580 Yeah, I mean the best I call right now is a

00:37:59.500 pause in the Middle East. So

00:38:01.200 at least the immediate

00:38:02.620 fighting. Just in the law.

00:38:05.540 I think it was in the last week, I'm not

00:38:07.440 positive, there was one of the last remaining

00:38:09.220 Christian villages in the West Bank

00:38:11.460 was cleared out by settler attacks.

00:38:13.780 Israeli settlers attacked it,

00:38:15.600 drove out, and there's very few

00:38:17.560 full Christian villages left in the West Bank.

00:38:20.060 A Christian village was

00:38:21.340 firebombed and attacked,

00:38:23.780 drove everybody out, and then it was

00:38:25.460 settled

00:38:26.680 with new Israelis.

00:38:31.500 That doesn't look like it's

00:38:33.660 going to settle into any kind of

00:38:35.340 peaceful solution. Looking at the more

00:38:37.600 immediate war, and that's Gaza.

00:38:40.340 If you want to look at the big picture,

00:38:41.700 we need a few shows.

00:38:43.180 For right now, the hostages,

00:38:46.060 the living ones, are back.

00:38:47.560 And that was the main impetus, at least for the ongoing current attacks, any hawk or anybody else

00:38:53.800 who wants to go further in Gaza, they don't have now the basis to stand on nearly as much

00:38:59.720 to continue on with that effort right there. Hamas is still there, they're still armed,

00:39:05.560 they're still empowered, but they're really kind of defanged for the time being. I mean,

00:39:09.720 mean the area is rubble uh will it last no i doubt it um but it's a start you know something

00:39:18.060 that's got to happen in at least a little bit is is the the nice thing with trump and i don't see

00:39:23.220 a lot of nice things with trump he is unpredictable he is crazy and that puts some fear into the likes

00:39:28.980 of hamas uh as well now who were you know transfers from the states cut off to israel would would put

00:39:35.040 some pressure on them as well very heavily he'd ever do it well either way we've got somebody

00:39:39.260 who's got some leverage over that area more than has ever had. And we can hope for the best in the

00:39:46.600 short term. What has to happen, I think though, if we're going to talk about the mythical two-state

00:39:50.800 solution, a third party has to manage the West Bank and Gaza. Because look, they were given some

00:39:57.560 autonomy 20 some years ago. What did they do? They dug tunnels and they collected rockets and got

00:40:02.060 ready for October 7th. If they're left on their own again for 20 more years, and I don't think

00:40:06.360 it'll even take that long. There's going to be another attack. But likewise, you can't have the

00:40:10.660 IDF just sitting in there trying to maintain control the whole time because that just leads

00:40:14.140 to more bitterness as well. Somehow a third party has to try to maintain order in there. And that's

00:40:20.920 easier said than done. It'll be interesting though. I'm really looking forward to speaking

00:40:24.480 to people there because I want to talk to Israelis. I want to talk to, hopefully, as I said, I want to

00:40:30.680 get to the east quarter of Jerusalem and actually talk to some Muslim people in Israel. Here are

00:40:35.560 some different points of view, because we're outside

00:40:37.560 of it looking in, and it's a pretty complicated

00:40:39.560 mess.

00:40:42.740 Okay, we don't

00:40:43.500 have a lot to, we've got to be short with the remainder

00:40:45.540 of our time here. I'll go to you

00:40:47.460 first, Elise.

00:40:50.600 A third party

00:40:51.680 I don't think would be totally,

00:40:53.500 that's not a two-state solution, that's

00:40:55.320 maybe a one and a half, or it's

00:40:57.440 a three, I don't know.

00:41:00.580 For it to be,

00:41:01.760 for this to work, Palestinians are 1.00

00:41:03.440 going to have to, well, we're going to try and solve the

00:41:05.420 Middle East and four minutes. I see what we're doing here. But every time they've governed 1.00

00:41:12.560 themselves, they go absolutely ballistic and we get this kind of thing. But that appears to be

00:41:19.380 the argument that Netanyahu has then used to make the case for population relocation,

00:41:28.940 which I think is just polite terminology for ethnic cleansing. But this is a population

00:41:34.600 that's proven itself

00:41:35.760 particularly the Islamic population in

00:41:38.600 West Bank and Gaza has proven itself 0.99

00:41:40.640 particularly

00:41:41.360 willing to go to war for anything

00:41:44.280 and is not willing to accept a peaceful

00:41:46.360 two-state solution 0.97

00:41:47.240 so it's kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't 0.61

00:41:49.860 they won't accept the two-state solution but

00:41:51.660 Netanyahu seems to

00:41:53.320 that's the justification he gives for

00:41:56.100 wanting to annex these territories

00:41:58.440 Can I

00:42:00.120 just say that we are

00:42:02.680 over the last 24 hours

00:42:04.580 I want everyone to understand that we are even further away, or maybe we've now been shown how far away we are from any sort of Palestinian state.

00:42:17.200 Absolute chaos and murder has descended upon what is known as Palestine or Gaza. 0.99

00:42:24.840 They've now turned on their own people.

00:42:27.340 They're beheading them. 1.00

00:42:29.720 They're killing them on the streets.

00:42:32.260 They have revealed themselves to what they are in other places like Africa, but under different terms like Boko Haram and all these other names that I cannot pronounce, but have been massacring Christians across the continent for several years now, and then those into parts of Eastern Europe, right? 0.86

00:42:52.200 We forget about the Islam, what we now call Islamic terror, what we used to call, you know, Muslim wars, right? 1.00

00:43:01.560 There are this what's happening in Palestine or sorry, in Gaza is so horrific.

00:43:07.580 I can't even I personally can't stomach it anymore.

00:43:10.400 We know we can't get to a Tuesday. And President Trump said this morning, and I've been in sort of close contact with my Americans within Trump organization for the last several days.

00:43:23.020 I don't think anyone expected that to become this, but that demonstrates how very little we understood the commitment Hamas had to maintaining control.

00:43:33.780 I think we're going, as Trump said today, he's going to roll military in there if they don't drop their arms.

00:43:40.660 And I suspect this is now going to become some sort of hybrid, what we used to call the blue helmet peacekeeping, but with American style.

00:43:48.980 And I think the worst, some of the worst is yet to come still.

00:43:52.800 Yeah. The only thing I know is it's not done.

00:43:55.620 It's so far from it.

00:43:58.160 It's it's just another ceasefire.

00:44:00.320 So they can cool it for 10 days.

00:44:02.320 i mean that'd be nice i mean i'll i'll take it i'll take 10 days without mass casualties

00:44:07.920 look at the war that broke out in on the borders of india and um um afghanistan today that's this

00:44:15.960 islamic versus islamic terrorist groups this place is like it's just a tinderbox um and mr i think

00:44:24.180 president trump is going to have to perform and i'm pretty hawkish but i didn't want to see any 0.91

00:44:29.080 more military i didn't want to see any more bombs getting dropped but i think there's going to have

00:44:33.320 to be some sort of um some sort of deployment of boots on the ground i think that was a fantasy

00:44:39.640 land we were all living in but to watch uh the the assassinations on the street in gaza you can't

00:44:46.360 continue to let that happen they have no intent of letting their people go i i don't know if i

00:44:51.960 would american uh there's absolutely no way in hell i would agree to american boots on the ground

00:44:57.160 being in harm's way for

00:44:59.140 people overseas

00:45:00.900 killing each other, and we'll never stop

00:45:03.040 killing each other, no matter what we do. 0.97

00:45:05.960 Nigel, 0.99

00:45:06.880 you're just going to get the first

00:45:09.140 in parting shots, because we just don't have

00:45:11.120 the time. Sure. Well, I'll tell you,

00:45:12.840 my parting shot is for

00:45:14.740 Public Safety Minister Gary

00:45:17.200 Anandasengari, who

00:45:19.040 is a Trump... Sorry, say that again three times fast.

00:45:21.640 Anandasengari.

00:45:23.340 Well, okay.

00:45:25.000 Okay. I practice in front of the

00:45:26.880 there this morning anyway look total chump you know he's on the spot in in the house answering 0.96

00:45:35.460 questions where are the border security agents that you uh that you promised during the election

00:45:41.620 to police the border to satisfy the americans so that we so that we don't have have uh that

00:45:48.420 particular packs against us in the tariff negotiations i don't know well what do you

00:45:56.180 you don't know you're the public safety minister it's not my job to hire these guys this is a guy

00:46:01.460 who is uh this is the second strike one more he needs to be out yeah uh at least here

00:46:09.940 my parting shot and i admit i'm doing this a little bit on the fly that my parting shot

00:46:14.260 is to mark carney um and it is in regards to all the things we were talking about today

00:46:20.580 it is not so much more of a drill down on him as sort of me me pleading with him to follow through

00:46:27.540 on his commitments uh because this country and i think you said it best derek is that you're it's

00:46:33.300 going to form radicalization it is a tinderbox in canada ready to go and you can easily see

00:46:40.340 when you break the backs of your citizenry and you take away their rights uh their freedoms and

00:46:46.100 their liberties and access to health care access to good paying jobs and then you force certain

00:46:51.140 ideologies down on them you are creating uh you're creating the breakdown of canada and i would

00:46:58.020 suggest that instead of flouting around with his buddy starmer and not can he just come back to

00:47:03.940 canada and deal with the issues that we are facing he promised us that all we had to do was watch him

00:47:10.500 and he would deliver i don't know how many days we're in now but i don't see one damn thing being

00:47:17.140 delivered i just see it getting worse and worse and worse what's his plan what where are we where

00:47:22.660 we going to that's my last word all right cory how did you not before you head over to duck some

00:47:29.380 shots sure uh yeah well alberta's got the second best motto in north america after new hampshire

00:47:35.300 and that's with strong and free in alberta and it's going on the license plates where it belongs

00:47:40.500 Yeah, it's with Pennsylvania as we mean it. I'm not so sure about those guys. New Hampshire. New Hampshire. Yeah, it's live free or die free. It's theirs is better. You know, you can't actually, if you want the police to stop you, I, I had a live free or die t-shirt because I'd be in a New Hampshire for the primaries and I was actually stopped by a police officer saying that that was inciting anger and all of the, yes, I actually had to call a lawyer and just

00:48:10.500 to make sure because i didn't get arrested but i was warned somebody had seen me at the gas station

00:48:15.780 and had complaints okay uh well mine is for uh your good friend out there david eby uh david eby

00:48:23.860 saying no no pipeline from alberta through bc um you know and then you know the greenies who don't

00:48:30.980 understand how the constitution works they say albert is trying to have it both ways alberta

00:48:35.300 wants more control and autonomy for itself but then it wants auto watch to impose pipelines

00:48:40.180 here now no we want alberta to govern itself within its provincial jurisdiction and every

00:48:45.300 province to govern itself within its provincial uh jurisdiction under the constitution and then

00:48:50.660 ottawa to do its job under its jurisdiction under the constitution and the infrastructure

00:48:56.180 that crosses provincial boundaries is under strict federal jurisdiction and that means a pipeline from

00:49:02.420 alberta through bc to the coast is federal jurisdiction and this is david eby uh trying

00:49:08.420 to usurp federal jurisdiction. It is rightful federal jurisdiction. If this country means 0.50

00:49:13.780 anything, it is that it can connect the different parts of it economically and socially.

00:49:21.140 And so if DBDV wants to play this game, nope, Alberta pipelines through BC,

00:49:26.820 just be warned the two can play this game. We could say no BC lumber trucks through Alberta.

00:49:34.020 We can say, no, trains full of your goods coming through Alberta.

00:49:38.780 If we're going to be usurping the Constitution and our areas of jurisdiction,

00:49:43.180 if we're not going to act as a country, well, we can bloody do it too,

00:49:47.260 and most of our trade goes south, not to the west.

00:49:49.980 We can hurt B.C. a lot more than it can hurt us.

00:49:53.180 This is a game I don't want to play. 1.00

00:49:54.500 I love B.C., but goddamn, you've got a dumb leader. 1.00

00:49:58.460 All right, that's it for today. 1.00

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Western Standard - October 16, 2025

Freedom in the Crossfire： Immigration, Censorship, and Gaza

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