Western Standard - Genocide Scam： 3 years on, no bodies

00:00:00.000 Good day. Today is May 29th, 2024. I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard,

00:00:28.760 and you're watching The Pipeline. I'm joined, not as usual, filling in for Mr. Henniford.

00:00:36.760 I've got Western Standard News Editor Dave Naylor. Welcome to The Pipeline, Dave.

00:00:40.720 Thanks. Good to be back.

00:00:42.640 But still, here as usual, Western Standard Senior Alberta columnist Corey Morgan.

00:00:47.440 Thanks for being here, Corey.

00:00:49.040 Always happy to appear.

00:00:51.560 All right. Well, we've got great topics on the show today.

00:00:55.600 The genocide scam, I think yesterday, marked three years since the shocking revelation of unmarked, 200 to 300 unmarked graves at a former residential school near Kamloops in British Columbia.

00:01:16.480 It's been three years.

00:01:18.800 That's a lot of time to dig up the bodies.

00:01:21.900 And how many bodies have they found?

00:01:24.560 No bodies.

00:01:25.600 Zero bodies have been found at any of the so-called mass graves located across Canada.

00:01:31.840 So we're going to talk about the moral panic, the national meltdown that we have, flags flying at half-mast for nearly half a year over this stuff,

00:01:41.140 and the very quiet shrinking away of Canada's legacy media and progressive political parties from what has proven to be a pretty embarrassing non-genocide.

00:01:55.040 We're going to talk about Justin Trudeau's $12 million deer hunting trip that you are not invited to.

00:02:04.200 That's right, Justin Trudeau has paid $12 million for Americans and New Zealanders

00:02:09.840 who come to Canada and shoot deer from helicopters with guns that are now illegal for you to use in deer hunting.

00:02:18.120 Apparently, it never occurred to him to just talk to the VC government and issue a special tag for these deer.

00:02:24.720 Could have dealt with the problem in, I don't know, an afternoon for precisely $0 to cost the taxpayer.

00:02:32.360 The Alberta NDP leadership race is entering its final stretch just a little less than a month from now.

00:02:38.620 June 22nd, I believe, Alberta new NDP members are going to be voting on who their next Nahid Menchie will be.

00:02:50.500 And back to, I guess, the federal government, the Liberals have originally said they're going to bring in 1,000 Gaza refugees.

00:03:00.400 Then they upped that to 5,000, so five times over.

00:03:05.320 And then they just said now it's 5,000 families.

00:03:08.620 Well, we've had experience with this kind of thing before. We remember the so-called Syrian refugee crisis that swamped Europe with a bunch of 20-something men not bringing their families in most cases, overrunning much of Europe and many, many of them not having ever been to Syria in their lives.

00:03:28.820 So that's where we're going to get into today. So we'll start with the genocide scam.

00:03:37.080 So three years ago yesterday, one of the First Nations in the Kamloops area performed some ground radar penetration and said that it found circa 250-odd unmarked graves.

00:03:59.040 Now, I took them pretty seriously when this came out. We know that residential schools, for the most part, were not very great places to be. Many of these kids were scooped up from their families without that family's permission. Some kids were sent there with their family's blessing.

00:04:13.040 But overall, these were generally not great places to be. Fairly often abuse. But, you know, we had coming from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, language had already been started to be used, bending around some pretty powerful words like genocide.

00:04:32.800 That was already pretty crazy, but the announcement of 250-odd unmarked graves of children sparked overnight a national outcry.

00:04:48.820 And, you know, if so, it certainly would have been a shameful part of history that would have to be accounted for.

00:04:56.080 I mean, these places were often very overrun with tuberculosis.

00:04:59.940 There was a, you know, certainly some people probably died in abuse, but more likely they'd be dying just because of bad conditions like tuberculosis, things like that.

00:05:09.700 But then, but it was straight on to the genocide bandwagon, a narrative that the federal government itself has bought into.

00:05:19.080 And Justin Trudeau orders that the Canadian flag flying on the Peace Tower on Parliament Hill fly at half mast.

00:05:26.920 And it stayed there all the way until Remembrance Day when the absurdity of flying this thing at half mass for five months without yet a shred of proof became absurd.

00:05:38.540 So, Dave, before we get into the media backing away from this and whatnot, what was the main reaction to this?

00:05:50.060 Let me just try to capture for us, summarize for us, the national moral panic that set in the national self-shaming ritual that Canada went through.

00:06:02.280 Well, that's what it is. It was like a feeling of national shame.

00:06:05.880 Went on for, I guess it's been going on for three years now.

00:06:09.940 Three years to the day this week that, as you say, the first allegations of unmarked graves came out.

00:06:16.120 They didn't use the word alleged at the time.

00:06:18.100 No, no, it was. And neither did the legacy media at the time. Some foreign media kind of questioned it, but certainly not any of the Canadian legacy media. And I haven't found a single thing, as you know, and as we'll talk about. But the ludicrousness continued this week with the Indigenous chief for, that represents all of BC, saying the bodies couldn't be found because they were incinerated. They were put in incinerators.

00:06:47.100 incinerators. No mention of, well, then what are these unmarked graves? Yes, exactly. Just couldn't

00:06:53.220 be found because they were incinerated. And another BC native leader came out just yesterday

00:06:59.380 and said, well, the bodies couldn't be found because the missionaries and the nuns actually

00:07:03.720 took them off-site and disposed of the bodies off-site and just left them to a lot. So

00:07:08.960 certainly the indigenous folks aren't really backing down. They've changed a little bit of

00:07:15.300 their wording. But you know, it's it's still affects Canada to

00:07:19.320 this day. More land land acknowledgements than we ever

00:07:23.640 had. We've got the National Day of Mourning, which is a stat

00:07:27.660 holiday for federal workers. So it has left a lasting staying

00:07:33.400 across the country without a doubt.

00:07:37.300 Corey, they've, you know, we're now seeing this, these almost

00:07:41.220 silly excuses, you know, well, they're taken off site, they

00:07:44.220 incinerated but zero actions to even paper over their claims that were not that they were quite 0.69

00:07:52.220 categorical they were not well we think they might be a margrave and I was open to the possibility

00:07:58.700 certainly open to the possibility is not good places for the most part and but no attempt to

00:08:06.140 account for well what about your claim that these are very large sometimes they would even use the

00:08:12.780 the word mass graves. There was never actually any indication ever of mass graves. You know,

00:08:17.060 we have images, I guess, of like Khmer Rouge or, or, you know, the Belson concentration camps,

00:08:23.720 things like that. But no accounting of, well, what are these alleged sites then? They've just

00:08:30.820 now dismissed and say, well, the murders were there. There were murders. The bodies were

00:08:34.920 disposed of others. Okay, well, your key evidence was the so-called unmarked graves. Tell me about

00:08:40.620 unmarked graves. Has there been any attempt to explain what these things were then? Not to my

00:08:45.660 knowledge, and they don't want to know. I mean, seriously, this is as simple as taking a spade,

00:08:53.580 a handful of people going out to even one of the anomalies found by the radar and digging a hole.

00:08:59.740 That's really all it comes down to. You don't need years, you know, they got 7.9 million dollars to

00:09:04.380 do this, which they haven't answered what they've done with that 7.9 million dollars, but it wasn't

00:09:08.860 digging. The other part that people gloss over is that, and I think that's where some people are

00:09:15.260 realizing there's probably nothing in these, there were meticulous records kept. That's how the

00:09:20.120 Catholic Church was paid. They knew where the children were. If children passed away, where

00:09:24.740 they would be buried, where there were records. There's no records of any 200 and some children

00:09:30.460 disappearing in Kamloops. There's no family saying, my cousin, my brother, my whatever

00:09:35.380 disappeared in this, you know, school that there's no evidence whatsoever. Because again, even if

00:09:41.880 there were bodies, and if you exhumed them, well, we want to return them to the family so they can

00:09:45.860 be properly interred. Well, you don't have any families raising their hands saying, I wonder

00:09:49.720 where little Susie went. We could easily DNA test this stuff and say, okay, well, this was someone

00:09:54.260 who was lost and they're part of your family. Let's give them a proper burial on a marked grave.

00:09:58.160 I think where finally things were starting to get muted, they start doing the research and realize

00:10:01.160 there's just there's really unlikely there's any bodies in this thing plus a lot of other studies

00:10:06.580 were coming up showing that there'd been past excavations that had never found things there

00:10:09.980 before there'd been an apple orchard there'd been septic tiles put down there there were a whole lot

00:10:14.500 of things under that ground that if you're going to do a radar survey would show anomalies but

00:10:19.580 you know you got to dig it up no evidence of a grave and and we got to remember dave that

00:10:26.020 it wasn't just cam loops cam loops was kind of the starting gun on this thing but then there

00:10:30.660 was a bunch of claims elsewhere. I know there was one First Nation in Saskatchewan, I can't recall

00:10:37.380 them. They were much more cautious and reasonable about it. They use much less inflammatory language

00:10:43.540 to their credit. They use photoradar underground, ground penetrative radar, and they found some

00:10:51.620 anomalies. They said, could be something here. Let's look into it. And that was to their credit.

00:10:58.020 And so there's no way on their face. I think they were full well within their rights to say, you know, I think we should look into this and look into it and turned out it was not so good on them. They were they were cautious. They didn't try to jump on a hype bandwagon. But, you know, there is a lasting legacy in this. We had hundreds of burned churches across Canada and Trudeau and the federal government's only result was, well, it's understandable that they're angry.

00:11:25.120 Well, no, it's not, because the federal government banned that anger, and it's kind of postmodern style that Canada is an inherently evil and genocidal country, because they bought into the Truth of Reconciliation Commission's language on this.

00:11:38.780 We had more places of worship burned in that period of time than any time and period since Kristallnacht in 1939, and we didn't even have a word of condemnation from the federal government.

00:11:52.260 So there's a lasting legacy to this, Dave.

00:11:56.140 How is Ottawa going to wrestle with this now that it's essentially been completely debunked?

00:12:00.980 Well, I think there's going to go quiet on it.

00:12:03.480 Corey will tell you the reaction to his tweets in the last little while.

00:12:08.000 And don't forget, we even had the Pope, those images of the Pope in his wheelchair,

00:12:12.480 you know, asking for forgiveness and expressing his regrets and stuff like that.

00:12:17.320 So it was a worldwide story.

00:12:21.000 uh and you know we're gonna have truth and reconciliation day uh every uh every year

00:12:27.120 uh i mean if they never find bodies do they revoke the holiday you know it's it's just

00:12:32.860 gonna be a tangled mess it's good time for surfing yes good time for surfing in tofino

00:12:36.920 uh hopefully maybe by the end of next year he'll be surfing full-time there uh but uh yeah i mean

00:12:43.720 what a mess what a mess i mean your tweet your twitter followers have gone silent well yeah that

00:12:49.640 was the interesting thing. Because I mean, I like everybody else, I was horrified when I first heard

00:12:53.420 it. Like, Oh, my God, everybody thinks that same instinct, children murdered. I mean, that's the

00:12:56.160 worst thing in the world we could ever imagine. And I was, boy, let's get to the bottom of this.

00:12:59.740 Let's get exhuming. Let's see if we can find the perpetrators or just resolve. And that's part of

00:13:06.160 why I'm as upset as I am now, because nobody likes being fooled. And as the evidence came coming in,

00:13:11.700 so then once I started questioning and others online, I used to get just attacked.

00:13:16.220 You're a denier, as if you're like,

00:13:18.800 Ernst Zundel saying the Holocaust didn't happen. 0.88

00:13:20.900 But I've been more vocal than ever

00:13:23.000 this last couple of weeks, and you know what?

00:13:25.400 They're quiet. They're not

00:13:26.820 coming at me anymore. There's a handful.

00:13:29.480 But I'm not getting...

00:13:30.420 You used the analogy earlier,

00:13:32.580 it's like Homer Simpson, just, I'm going to sink back into

00:13:34.700 the trees now, because I hate

00:13:36.840 to say it, but it sounds like Morgan might be on to something.

00:13:39.140 And don't forget, the liberals

00:13:40.600 were considering making it a crime.

00:13:42.760 Yeah, they considered making this a crime.

00:13:44.580 Residential school denialism.

00:13:46.220 right well okay show us a body and then i'll agree with you but don't tell me one one body exactly

00:13:52.540 right now i'm going to be a denier until they can show me a body or at least a skeptic you know

00:13:57.740 that's a fair term let's just yeah we got to see some evidence guys it's time yeah it and you know

00:14:05.980 we'll just kind of wrap this part of the discussion up with the legacy media's treatment of it so

00:14:10.620 Well, they took it as gospel out of the gate. I mean, it was certainly newsworthy to report on.

00:14:17.980 This was a claim coming. It was a report on, but they didn't say alleged unmarked graves or suspected.

00:14:26.160 They have located unmarked graves. They took it uncritically whatsoever.

00:14:33.380 And I think it was City TV. City TV had the biggest screw up yesterday on the third anniversary of this.

00:14:40.620 Three years later, when this has now been pretty thoroughly debunked as a scam, a, I'm not sure if it was a hoax, because they probably, I'm getting, they're probably legitimately fine.

00:14:52.920 An unintentional hoax, perhaps.

00:14:54.340 Yeah, I mean, I think the guys who made the initial announcement believed it was.

00:14:58.860 And it was plausibly, it was certainly worth looking into.

00:15:02.200 It was worth allocating funds for and looking into.

00:15:05.480 But it's now been pretty thoroughly debunked as, at least what developed into a hoax.

00:15:10.620 eventually. And City TV still reported on it as if none of this evidence has come to light. It's just still three years ago. They changed the headline. They eventually quietly changed some of their wording, but none of the media have retracted these stories and said story was wrong. The story was false. They've just tweaked them a little bit and said, now they're suspected graves. They're not even really, I'm not even driving home suspected graves anymore.

00:15:40.620 or alleged graves anymore.

00:15:43.000 At this point, they're just ground radar anomalies, Dave.

00:15:46.740 Anomalies.

00:15:47.400 That's all they are, anomalies.

00:15:49.200 And, yeah, the City TV had one of them nasty community Facebook notes saying,

00:15:55.300 well, actually, no, your headline and story is 100% wrong.

00:15:58.480 But to give credit where credit's due, I think it was what Terry Glavin with the National Post did an excellent series.

00:16:05.420 And he got shredded for doing that.

00:16:06.480 And he got shredded for doing that.

00:16:07.120 Oh, he was called it.

00:16:08.180 Every racist name in the book.

00:16:09.620 Yeah.

00:16:09.740 Yeah. So he was sort of the first mainstream media guy to maybe start backtracking a little bit and was carved for doing so.

00:16:18.920 Yeah. And, you know, and it it took a lot of courage on his part to stick his neck out.

00:16:22.520 I mean, I mean, we were pretty cautious before we stuck our neck out on this stuff.

00:16:27.100 And, you know, we're independent, so we're going to be more bold than the legacy guys we could afford to be.

00:16:32.620 But even we were pretty cautious.

00:16:35.380 And I think we were rightfully cautious to stick your neck out because there was something worth looking into.

00:16:40.480 It's sensitive. I mean, you don't want to get in there and say this is a hoax and it didn't happen and everything else.

00:16:44.280 And then a week later, they exhumed the bodies as three children.

00:16:47.320 I mean, we're just adding insult to an even already terrible situation.

00:16:51.940 So no, we waited until we saw evidence or a lack thereof for some time before we really start questioning it.

00:16:57.080 Well, we would have just we would have been as irresponsible as those who claimed it was matter of factly.

00:17:00.840 These are unmarked graves. And if you are even skeptical of it, you're a racist. 0.67

00:17:06.800 Well, let me ask you guys a question. Do you think maybe a future Pierre Poly of government would stop the funding and say, no more funding until you show us a body?

00:17:15.480 Well, I'm not sure what there is to fund until they can show some bodies.

00:17:19.320 I'm all for funding, excavation, exhuming of potential bodies in these places.

00:17:26.800 And also, there's going to be graveyards in some of these places.

00:17:29.860 People died at these places. Many people were abused, and some people probably were, as a result, even murdered by it, but certainly not in these kinds of numbers.

00:17:39.840 But there were bad conditions, as I was saying. Tuberculosis was something we don't really have in a big way anymore, but it was a huge thing back then.

00:17:48.100 It killed a lot of people, especially in cramped communal quarters like you would have had at a residential school.

00:17:53.200 So I don't know how Polly addresses this, but I can't imagine him being able to look taxpayers in the eye and say,

00:18:00.880 I'm going to continue to fund this stuff until you can show us some bodies.

00:18:04.460 I couldn't see new funding.

00:18:05.640 If there was more, I think it would be at a point of conditional then.

00:18:08.120 Okay, here's what the grant is going to be, but it's going to be for this, a backhoe, an archaeologist, a forensic investigator, an elder to supervise, fine.

00:18:17.400 But not what they did before was, here's $8 million, give us a report in a few years.

00:18:22.740 well it disappeared yeah so i'm all for funding proper uh investigations of this stuff because

00:18:28.740 you know there was wrongdoing at these places and and justice should be done and and if there are

00:18:33.220 bodies you know they deserve a proper burial with the family yep so all right um a little more

00:18:42.580 lighthearted as our next topic justin trudeau's 12 million dollar deer hunting trip oh uh

00:18:52.740 I like deer hunting as much as the next guy, but I normally do it pretty close to home here.

00:18:59.100 You know, we've got some nice areas in the foothills and whatnot.

00:19:03.160 Anyone who, you know, especially those of you watching this on wild TV, I don't need to tell you.

00:19:07.940 Anyone who claims that they hunt to save money is lying.

00:19:10.740 At the end of the day, by the time you eat a pound of venison, it's more expensive than getting a filet mignon at the grocery store.

00:19:18.920 It's not cheap once you factored everything in.

00:19:22.740 But, you know, there's, on Vancouver, I think northern Vancouver Island, there's some invasive species of deer.

00:19:32.000 I think they might be from Europe or something.

00:19:33.920 Somehow these European deer, they're fallow deer.

00:19:36.900 Yeah, so it's actually on a little island off of that.

00:19:39.360 Oh, yes.

00:19:40.000 They're contained even.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, yeah, so it's not even real, well, I guess they could swim, but it's relatively contained.

00:19:45.940 But, you know, it's an invasive species and a particularly tasty invasive species.

00:19:51.300 So it should be a pretty easy problem to take care of.

00:19:55.640 The province of BC could simply issue a special tag for this.

00:20:02.080 They probably might even have to do a draw because there'd be so much.

00:20:05.800 You could make it an open season on it.

00:20:07.920 You just have it like a bag limit.

00:20:09.600 You do it like ducks, you know, instead of saying 12 ducks,

00:20:11.700 you've got a limit of two or three of these black tail deer or something.

00:20:17.300 No, no, the locals are black tails.

00:20:18.780 I forget the name of the invasive one, but I think it's from Europe.

00:20:21.120 or something. And no, the federal government, which has some jurisdiction over foreign invasive

00:20:28.160 species, didn't work with the BC government to just issue a special tag and have the issue

00:20:34.460 probably dealt with maybe not an afternoon, maybe a weekend, because if it's an island,

00:20:37.880 you know, it's gonna be less than, more than just a little drive.

00:20:40.560 Yeah. And you don't want hunters shooting at each other.

00:20:43.360 No.

00:20:44.360 In the crossfire.

00:20:45.360 No. But you know, you could do this over a weekend or two. And it could be done with

00:20:50.440 virtually zero. Actually, you can make a revenue positive. People will buy tags and people pay to

00:20:55.440 hunt. That's not what they did. Instead, they spent $12 million, according to the Canadian

00:21:01.000 Taxpayers Federation's Access Information Act requests, to bring in, I guess, professional

00:21:09.660 hunters from the United States and New Zealand to hunt these things from helicopters using rifles

00:21:16.740 that are illegal for us to hunt with in Canada, since Trudeau banned a bunch of these guns

00:21:21.020 for, because they look scary. And turns out they weren't even that good at it.

00:21:27.060 Huge numbers of these were not the invasive species. They shot the local one. They shot

00:21:30.860 the local correct deer that are supposed to be there. A bunch of them they couldn't identify.

00:21:37.160 I mean, like these guys would have faced wildlife charges.

00:21:39.540 Part of the reason we're typically not allowed to hunt from helicopters is it's kind of hard

00:21:43.040 to distinguish the nuanced things of what you're shooting.

00:21:44.840 Yeah, like I've never shot from a helicopter. I mean, sounds kind of fun, but I mean, it's never occurred to me to try.

00:21:51.460 You can go to Texas. They do the wild boars from the helicopter.

00:21:55.140 Swinemageddon. Yeah. But Dave, yeah, this information comes from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:22:02.700 Do we have any idea why Ottawa chose to contract this out for $12 million rather than just say, hey, hunters, go kill these ones?

00:22:11.640 uh not a clue this is one of these stories derek where if you don't laugh you're gonna cry

00:22:15.960 uh 12 million dollars uh down the toilet didn't didn't succeed in what they were doing so that

00:22:22.760 was just phase one they're now about to launch phase two yeah where they're gonna set uh hunters

00:22:27.880 with dogs and actually gonna set foot on the island and they're gonna hunt these things down

00:22:32.520 with dogs and uh and kill them all so it's it's been a fiasco from start to finish uh i don't know

00:22:38.680 know what a helicopter costs to rent but it's several thousand dollars an hour yeah and uh you

00:22:43.980 know all these hunters from from foreign countries because i guess aren't you you canadian hunters

00:22:48.800 aren't good enough shots no uh so yeah imagine sitting there in the pub in new zealand and you

00:22:54.260 see this ad from the government of alberta hey we'll fly you up to canada put you in a helicopter 0.77

00:22:58.820 and give you an automatic weapon you go kill things i mean sign me up that sounds pretty 0.99

00:23:03.780 awesome. Sign me up. So yeah, I mean, good work by our friend Franco at the CTF to to uncover all 1.00

00:23:11.020 this stuff. And it's just a head shaker, just a head shaker. Kurt, you know, it's one of these

00:23:16.880 things. It's like, what do you say? And we just kind of sit here shrugging like, what about the

00:23:20.940 idiots? It's just an example of government can't, can't do anything simple. They can't take a simple 1.00

00:23:26.880 concept and bring it to fruition. It's like public art, you know, hey, we've got a new development

00:23:32.460 over there we've got some money we want to source an artist to put up a sculpture great let's put

00:23:37.420 it out to tender get some german artist who's going to spend you know a million dollars to 0.71

00:23:41.660 make some ugly thing and you know uh rocks on sticks or something and meanwhile you've got

00:23:46.140 10 starving domestic artists say you know i i would have done that for a lot less than that

00:23:49.900 they can't they can't bring themselves to it they got to make it complicated they've got a

00:23:54.780 it's impossible to simply solve but my daughter keeps asking me about the big blue ring every

00:23:58.300 time we drive by it she's like daddy what is that thing it looks ugly i'm like that's art sweetie

00:24:04.940 um it does have a great twitter site it used to it used to it's still around it's quite fun it's

00:24:10.460 still there he kind of politicizes other yeah i think it's it's it's fast he used to parody it

00:24:16.060 quite well it used to be very good yeah uh yeah and just the complexity of this and phases like

00:24:21.580 you know first they have like they're planning this thing like it's a desert storm

00:24:24.700 you know like because they got you because it increases the cost they can build taxpayers for

00:24:29.100 it you know like saying first they're doing these helicopter assaults you know sending

00:24:32.940 the air cavalry you got like Mel Gibson training the air cavalry going in there

00:24:37.180 scene from the Valkyries a ride of the Valkyries hey I'd love to hunt deer with ride the Valkyries

00:24:44.620 with a minigun you know that sounds it's not very sporting where do they didn't import a

00:24:50.620 bunch of hyenas or some other foreign thing to try and bring them in and naturally take 1.00

00:24:54.140 care of the population i mean that's a government sort of idea then we have to hunt the hyenas

00:24:58.460 so that's what i mean you know when they compound problems whether it's

00:25:03.020 grizzly bears in there yeah well actually bc is getting over popular with its grizzlies uh now

00:25:08.940 since they ended the grizzly hunt so that's another topic one thing at a time yeah okay

00:25:17.020 well we're gonna bring it a little closer back to alberta here um the alberta ndp is having its

00:25:23.580 leadership race. You know, they lost the last election. That was Rachel Notley's third kick

00:25:29.340 at the can as NDP leader. She lost to Jason Kenney in 2019. She lost to Danielle Smith in 2023.

00:25:37.100 She's hung up her estates. Who knows what's going to happen to her now, but the NDP are picking a 1.00

00:25:42.420 new leader on, I believe, June 22nd. Readers, listeners can correct me if I'm wrong on that

00:25:48.440 one but um they're gonna be picking a a new uh a new nahi nenshi dave yes uh my sources say it's

00:25:57.820 basically a done deal uh the former mayor of calgary will win apparently the uh the ganley

00:26:05.120 camp is in full panic mode uh wondering uh wondering what they can do deadlines passed for

00:26:10.840 uh for membership sales uh so it's you know the the damage has been done if you want to say there

00:26:17.540 There's going to be, you know, you can't buy a whole bunch of votes in the last week.

00:26:21.640 But I think it's been actually a fairly quiet campaign, Derek.

00:26:26.400 We did have a story of note today on the website that both Nenshi and Sarah Hoffman were accused of lying at the Calgary debate.

00:26:36.160 This goes back to the Mid Park trailer chaos 14 years ago.

00:26:41.480 The city of Calgary came in and booted all the people out of the Midfield trailer park.

00:26:46.400 Nenshi and Hoffman said they went to the park and specifically met with this one family

00:26:52.360 who was having all sorts of troubles.

00:26:54.700 And then the family guy saw the debate and said, well, wait a minute.

00:27:00.280 He never met with me.

00:27:01.160 She never met with me.

00:27:02.380 And says they're lying.

00:27:05.020 We contacted the Nenshi campaign, and they say they're sticking by their candidate statement.

00:27:11.200 We haven't been able to reach Sarah Hoffman yet.

00:27:13.120 She doesn't really talk to us.

00:27:15.860 But yeah, other than that, there's been no slings and arrows, no fiery debates.

00:27:20.540 It's sort of almost gone under the radar.

00:27:23.560 Yeah, Corey, it's, I mean, what a contrast to the UCP leadership, both of the different UCP leadership races we had, particularly the last one.

00:27:33.940 Both races featured an outsider coming in, Daniel Smith, the outsider, who was pretty strongly against the record of the Kenney government.

00:27:43.040 the Sovereignty Act and getting away with vaccine mandates and things like that.

00:27:49.720 And there was really a big anybody-but-Smith movement to stop her.

00:27:54.440 And to be fair, they did hold her back from an easy first ballot win,

00:28:00.140 which looked like she was headed towards.

00:28:01.800 But it was also a dozen candidates, many of which didn't even get a single percentage of the vote.

00:28:06.740 But are you seeing any Nenshi movement here?

00:28:14.660 Or have they just accepted it's kind of inevitable?

00:28:17.760 So maybe we shouldn't fight him too hard because we're going to want good spots on the front bench of a Nenshi shadow captain.

00:28:23.580 I think maybe there was one, but it was quiet.

00:28:25.880 I mean, yeah, it's becoming clear that this is turning into coronation.

00:28:31.080 Edmonton versus Calgary.

00:28:32.760 It was Nenshi versus the established NDP.

00:28:35.300 But just with the overwhelming Calgary membership sales, if Ganley wasn't raising her hand saying, hey, I sold a bunch of those, then it's pretty clear that his team has just, you know, done what had to be done to win in a one member one vote race.

00:28:48.580 But it doesn't mean this is over or that, you know, if it is a coronation, that he's out of the woods by any means.

00:28:54.840 He's got a party that still is going to view him as an outsider, that you're going to have some noses out of joint.

00:29:01.200 And any of us who have dealt with an inch, you know, too, he isn't one to smooth feathers.

00:29:05.520 He's there to pick at people and take them off.

00:29:07.840 His arrogance, his first talk is meaning, unless he learns a little bit of humility, I got a feeling his lessons in party politics are going to be pretty hard at first, actually.

00:29:16.840 Because, you know, nobody, especially when you feel an outsider came in and it starts talking down to you as only an inch he can.

00:29:24.000 There's going to be some grumpiness in that party.

00:29:25.740 It doesn't mean they're going to fall apart.

00:29:27.000 You know, the left-flowing parties stick together instead of unlike conservatives.

00:29:29.880 You remember our friend Gil McGowan withdrawing from the race out of the big labor movement in Alberta.

00:29:38.100 And there was some Nancy correspondence that came to light that basically showed he was anti-union.

00:29:43.560 So, you know, that was a good chunk of the NDP support.

00:29:47.200 So he is going to inherit probably what could become a more fractured party than he thought.

00:29:53.180 Also, interestingly, Calgary now has more NDP members in Edmonton, which is a first.

00:29:59.880 You know, let's pick at that one a bit.

00:30:02.480 I mean, it's an interesting dynamic.

00:30:04.560 Traditionally, and especially in more recent history, as we've had more of a competitive multi-party or two-party system,

00:30:11.780 you know, you had Wildrose and then the UCP, where the rural is its locked-up base,

00:30:16.580 and the NDP have Fortress Edmonton, and then the battle is decided in Calgary.

00:30:24.220 Calgary decides then who's got it.

00:30:26.580 Now, I don't think Denchy is on his way to turning Calgary into fortress NDP. I mean, it's still Calgary. It's not Edmonton. But I think he is probably the NDP's best bet of making Calgary as competitive as possible for the NDP in winning seats.

00:30:44.040 Then this raises the question, does this weaken the NDP's hold on Edmonton?

00:30:50.040 Edmonton is traditionally a less conservative city than Calgary.

00:30:55.040 Still, by Canadian standards, at least on the federal level, pretty conservative, but provincially less so.

00:31:01.040 But the NDP, because they've really only ever had Notley in their modern history,

00:31:06.040 but even there's, you know, the leaders predating that with, you know, Brian Mace and whatnot.

00:31:11.040 and Mesa whatnot, it was an end, it was always a party of downtown and it was the party of downtown Edmonton.

00:31:18.480 Well, now they would have a leader who's Mr. Calgary.

00:31:23.200 So I'll start with you, Corey.

00:31:25.060 Do you think this presents any opportunities for the Conservatives, not to break, you know, to take dominance in Edmonton?

00:31:32.460 I don't think that's really in the cards, but to maybe break back through and make Edmonton a more competitive battleground

00:31:39.520 now that, you know, they're no longer led by an Edmontonian?

00:31:42.440 We have some select constituencies around the ring of outside of Edmonton.

00:31:46.240 Well, they still own most of the ring seats.

00:31:47.680 Yeah, and they might encroach a little further, you know,

00:31:50.240 because we see that the left mix tends to go the more dense the urban area,

00:31:54.340 the stronger that orange color gets, whether it's in Calgary or Edmonton.

00:31:57.900 So they might encroach a little.

00:31:59.600 But I think a lot of Edmonton is still, though, so deeply orange,

00:32:03.820 especially provincially, even if they don't like Nancy,

00:32:06.300 they'll hold their nose and vote for him before they would vote for a Smith-led party.

00:32:10.300 So I can't, I don't, I don't see Nenshi coming in and sweeping through Calgary. Don't forget,

00:32:17.420 he's got a legacy. When he left, he was very unpopular and he lost his pet project on the

00:32:24.340 new Olympic bid. He has a legacy of taxation and, you know, look at your property taxes

00:32:31.480 before and after Nenshi and you're going to see a huge increase. He wasn't a friend of the

00:32:36.240 business community with high business taxes. So he's got a lot of people against him already in

00:32:42.160 Calgary. But I'll tell you who the people that are most looking forward to Nenshi being elected

00:32:47.320 is the UCP. They are going to unload an attack barrage of things against Nenshi, mainly because

00:32:54.100 record in Calgary, but we haven't seen the likes of before. I mean, the UCP are going to have a lot

00:32:59.660 ammunition i think uh we're very quickly uh probably as soon as he is officially crowned

00:33:06.300 ndp leader and then through the next campaign roughly three years from now yeah we're gonna

00:33:11.660 see charts comparing your taxes in calgary before nancy your taxes in calgary at the end of nancy

00:33:17.740 i know it's gonna be a pretty powerful message to get it through to calgarians and albertans

00:33:21.100 more broadly but i still think he's probably their best bet he he's a relatively polished

00:33:26.380 politician he has some track record and because he's not an old-time NDP minister or MLA he

00:33:33.580 doesn't have to quite wear the record of the Notley government which was a fairly unpopular

00:33:40.060 four years he doesn't have to wear that record the way that say Sarah Hoffman would have to or 0.70

00:33:44.460 Kathleen Ganley would have to he's not gonna be sweeping Calgary but he probably makes them

00:33:50.940 more competitive.

00:33:53.800 So I don't know.

00:33:54.820 I don't think the UCP would rather fight

00:33:57.460 Nenshi than, say, Hoffman

00:33:59.660 or Ganley. I think he probably

00:34:01.800 is the strongest candidate for

00:34:03.800 the NDP, as long as he can hold it together.

00:34:05.980 Yeah, maybe. They're

00:34:06.920 certainly getting their guns in a row.

00:34:10.240 Two questions I have is

00:34:11.980 assuming Nenshi

00:34:13.740 wins, which Calgary MLA will give up their

00:34:15.720 seat? I figure CC.

00:34:17.440 I figure CC. And

00:34:18.960 if Nenshi loses,

00:34:21.400 will he commit to running for the NDP in the next provincial election?

00:34:25.980 Well, he's not going to lose.

00:34:27.300 No, I wouldn't think so.

00:34:29.280 And if he did, I couldn't see him ever sitting in a second banana roll.

00:34:33.120 His pride wouldn't let him do it.

00:34:35.160 No, no, I don't think he would.

00:34:36.860 You know, CeCe's an interesting one because he was finance minister.

00:34:39.200 He spent his first four years as one of the most powerful men in the cabinet.

00:34:43.660 And he's been kind of riding the deep back benches ever since.

00:34:47.300 He's been super quiet.

00:34:48.060 and he's a downtown urban seat that the NDP would be likely to hold on to in a by-election.

00:34:55.300 You get further outside the core, I mean, it'd be pretty bad for the leader to not win a by-election,

00:35:01.640 for the UCP to take that seat away.

00:35:03.360 That'd be crippling to someone's moral authority as leader.

00:35:07.700 He needs those two things.

00:35:08.920 I mean, he needs a safe seat, and he needs, of course, somebody to open it up for him.

00:35:14.100 And Edmonton might have some of those seats, but parachuting him to Edmonton would not work out well.

00:35:18.060 You know, I think he could in the shorter term.

00:35:21.540 I mean, like, he probably wouldn't commit to staying in the NDP seat for the general.

00:35:25.740 But, I mean, you know, Smith's by-election was Medicine Hat Brooks.

00:35:30.740 She's not from Medicine Hat Brooks.

00:35:32.140 But it was a conservative seat that wanted her and wanted to have the premier.

00:35:37.360 So I don't think he'd have much trouble winning with an Edmonton seat.

00:35:40.700 I think he'd be more comfortable with a Calgary seat.

00:35:42.140 Yeah, it wouldn't do him favors.

00:35:43.560 I mean, when you're trying to win that Calgary move over those three years that you're sitting,

00:35:47.220 it's still better if you're entrenched. I think for his long term it's better to be in Calgary

00:35:50.760 because he can say I'm representing Calgary. His organization is here. People have got an

00:35:55.220 elected mayor. People are selling all the memberships. They're in Calgary.

00:36:01.200 It'll be interesting to see him in the legislature too. We haven't seen him perform in that

00:36:04.280 role. I mean as the leader of the opposition it'll for political viewers I got a feeling it'll be

00:36:09.800 interesting viewing. I'm looking forward to it because you know Notley I got pretty tired of

00:36:17.020 not laying in question period. I just couldn't watch it very often. But, you know, Smith versus

00:36:20.960 Nietzsche, these guys knew each other back in university. They were debating each other back

00:36:24.960 as like early 20-somethings. So this is

00:36:28.840 It'll be heated. Sparks will fly. This is going to have some history.

00:36:32.440 It's going to be good. I'm looking forward to Alberta politics. Alberta politics is

00:36:36.280 so much more fun than I think most other places have got. It's not boring anyway.

00:36:40.560 Actually, you know what? Let's, not even scripted. I'm going to add in

00:36:45.040 one topic before we get to our last one here quickly in BC. Because all of a sudden, BC

00:36:51.660 politics is interesting again. And it's been so boring for so long, because you had, you

00:36:57.380 know, a crazy NDP, you had a crazier Greens, and you had an ever so slightly less crazy

00:37:01.880 Liberal Party to change his name to BC United. It was just so boring. Then, Kevin Falcon,

00:37:10.820 the BC United slash liberal leader, kicked two MLAs out, and it turned out to not be a good idea.

00:37:16.960 These guys became conservatives, and the conservatives have completely eclipsed several times over the liberals in the polls.

00:37:23.780 Liberals are down to like 12 percent.

00:37:25.760 BC conservatives are right on the heels and sometimes even tying the NDP in polls.

00:37:30.440 So there's been a lot of talk about how to unite the right in BC to prevent vote split,

00:37:34.600 to not just have the BC conservatives come up, but to outright defeat the NDP.

00:37:40.820 And so talks have been kind of underway and they thought, OK, well, maybe there's not enough time to merge a party.

00:37:49.520 So let's have some kind of non-compete. And the B.C. Liberals slash United put forward a bat scheisse crazy idea.

00:37:59.180 So the way the electoral math works is the seats that the B.C. conservatives are more likely, most likely to pick up are the seats currently held by the B.C. Liberals.

00:38:06.840 The B.C. Liberal proposal was, yeah, you can't run in any of those seats.

00:38:10.200 You could run in, like, downtown Vancouver where you're not going to win anyway.

00:38:14.760 And so the B.C. Conservatives had to reject it.

00:38:17.720 At the same time, the B.C. Conservatives can't surrender their current seats that they currently have MLAs in.

00:38:22.820 So I don't think there really was a path, Corey, to any kind of successful merger or non-compete with this map.

00:38:29.540 I think these parties are just going to have to fight it out, and maybe the B.C. Conservatives can win in their own right.

00:38:35.200 Maybe not.

00:38:35.720 Yeah, Rustad was on my show a couple of weeks ago, and I did ask, you know, are you even negotiating?

00:38:41.640 And I think there might be more room in plucking a few floor crossers. 1.00

00:38:44.620 We saw that before with the Wild Rose, too.

00:38:46.560 The BC United is just looking weaker and weaker. 0.92

00:38:49.140 Falcon is not, you know, with their ridiculous things, their stubbornness.

00:38:52.300 But if they get knocked low enough in the polls, I think they'll also see the lesson from Alberta.

00:38:56.920 What happens if you dicker too much with splitting things?

00:39:00.140 I think most conservative-minded people were just going to say, that's enough.

00:39:02.920 then they're just going to gravitate around that conservative party.

00:39:07.380 So if they're not going to have a formal negotiation,

00:39:09.220 I don't think there's a hope by the looks of the way things are going.

00:39:11.600 He could really get them, though, I think with a few seats and they'll move forward.

00:39:15.880 It'll be like a rump left of the unity party.

00:39:18.260 And the B.C. conservatives are nominating candidates fast.

00:39:21.900 It's like it's kind of running out of time for the B.C. liberals slash united to come over.

00:39:26.220 But these guys have got a bit getting itchy in their seats.

00:39:29.080 thinking like things are not like they're looking like a wipeout or near wipeout. They're looking at

00:39:34.720 losing, like I'd say the ceiling for the Liberals right now is like five seats. That's the ceiling

00:39:40.360 and their floor is zero. If that, I mean, it was a political Hail Mary from Falken that I think

00:39:47.060 Rustad was right to shoot down. And as you say, they've got candidates in every single riding now

00:39:51.600 in BC. So it wouldn't surprise me to see the Liberals wiped off the electoral map.

00:39:57.880 I guess the big question is, can the Conservatives win? Because the BC United slash Liberals are still going to hold on to some vote. 12% is not enough to be anywhere close to competitive. But it's enough to deny the Conservatives the ability to win a government in their own right. And, you know, but, you know, the BC United is, it's only a couple points ahead of the Green Party right now. They're flirting with last place.

00:40:22.340 I think it can collapse lower yet. You know, people will get pragmatic once it gets towards push and come to shove, I think.

00:40:29.480 It's increasingly looking like that. Okay, well, we'll get to our last topic now, since I just decided to throw that one in there, because all of a sudden BC got interesting.

00:40:39.020 So, you know, we've got the war in Gaza going on since the October 7th attacks, and the Netanyahu government is not settling for just giving Hamas a bloody nose.

00:40:51.920 Their intent to destroy it. They will end Hamas here. 0.99

00:40:56.320 And that's proved to be fairly controversial, especially as they move on Rafa, the city in southern Gaza, full of refugees.

00:41:05.820 I think they tried to evacuate like a million refugees out of there before the assault began.

00:41:10.720 But anyway, it's a tough situation.

00:41:14.420 But anyway, the Trudeau government here said we're going to take a thousand refugees from Gaza.

00:41:19.260 Now, you've got to be careful with refugees from this part of the world, because guess what? 1.00

00:41:23.760 You know what Rafa's full of right now? Hamas!

00:41:27.040 No doubt, some of them are going to try and come through.

00:41:29.820 Both active Hamas militants and terrorists, and even just Hamas sympathizers.

00:41:35.980 And I don't even think we want Hamas sympathizers coming here.

00:41:39.320 They're already here.

00:41:41.200 They're literally parked in front of Parliament Hill right now as we speak.

00:41:44.640 We don't need more of them.

00:41:46.140 Yeah, we don't need more Hamas sympathizers in Canada.

00:41:48.660 I think we should say, they up this from 1000 to 5000. And then from 5000 individuals to 5000

00:41:55.540 families. Now, when I say refugees, I guess those of you not watching, if you can't see me, I'm using

00:42:02.180 finger quotes when I say refugees, because I have a strong suspicion this will be similar to the

00:42:07.140 quote, Syrian refugee crisis, when a bunch of young men in their early 20s show up without women,

00:42:15.860 without children and they show up many of them having never even been to Syria let alone being

00:42:22.100 Syrians and they it was a problem here but a particularly problem in Europe where you know 1.00

00:42:27.220 Angela Merkel just essentially had the whole continent washed over with people that should 1.00

00:42:31.940 have been declared illegal so you know and and those people turn out to be problematic you had

00:42:38.500 mass gang rapes in cities in the New Year's following this influx of people. I guess the good 0.98

00:42:46.880 news from Trudeau moving it from 5,000 refugees to 5,000 families is most of these guys aren't

00:42:53.880 bringing their families with them. They're leaving the women and children behind and just coming on 1.00

00:42:57.800 their own day. So might not actually much more than 5,000. Yeah, who knows if the liberals don't

00:43:03.280 increase it to 10,000. It seems to be a moving target. Also, very few of them are able to get

00:43:09.940 out at the moment. Israeli government obviously controls who comes and who goes out of Rafa,

00:43:15.420 and they're not letting too many... No, so does Egypt. But Egypt is even harder on not letting 0.87

00:43:20.960 anyone through. They don't like that border open enough. No, they don't want any Palestinian 1.00

00:43:25.300 refugees there. So at the end of the day, it remains to be seen how many actually come.

00:43:31.560 And, you know, if 5,000 people each bring, 5,000 families each come with a family of four, that's, you know, 20,000 people right there, but you're right.

00:43:43.840 Well, a family of four would actually be a small family.

00:43:45.280 Yes, yeah, but you're right.

00:43:47.200 It'll be, as we've seen in Europe, it'll be single, young, military-age men.

00:43:52.140 And, you know, not only Germany, but you've seen what it's done to other countries in Europe.

00:43:56.180 You know, Stockholm in particular has no go zones for police already in high density Muslim areas and it's just been handled a mess through Europe and apparently Justin Trudeau wants to import it here too. 0.96

00:44:11.880 And, you know, by being so haphazard with refugee policy and immigration policy, Corey, it creates a backlash against otherwise good immigration and refugee policy.

00:44:24.080 Like, you see what's happened. Gert Wilders is about to be sworn in as the prime minister of the Netherlands.

00:44:30.940 The Netherlands, historically the most liberal anything-goes country in Europe for the last hundred years,

00:44:37.900 has just elected Gert frickin' Wilders as their prime minister.

00:44:43.800 And that is by far the biggest reason is unchecked, open borders,

00:44:50.140 allowing people in who don't share the values of your country and who try to impose the values 1.00

00:44:54.520 of the old country on the new. And that's why you've got the friendly little Dutch taking off 1.00

00:44:58.580 their wooden shoes and throwing them. And it's also a front and center in the ongoing British 0.92

00:45:04.320 election, which party can stop the migrant boats from coming across the channel. So it's a huge

00:45:10.760 political issue every day in Europe. We should worry about right now we're already dealing with

00:45:16.240 an immigration crisis with too many people legally coming over, regular immigrants, temporary 1.00

00:45:20.440 immigrants, other refugees. We're having difficulty housing them. We're having difficulty integrating 1.00

00:45:25.060 them, taking in thousands more from what is one of the most dysfunctional hornet's nests on the 1.00

00:45:30.400 planet right now, to be blunt, is stupid. I feel for it. There's some people in dire straits. I 1.00

00:45:35.300 mean, the military operation has kettled them down in the bottom. There are some innocent people

00:45:39.180 stuck in that crossfire. But you know what? We've done a lot and we've done enough. If you really

00:45:45.420 want to do something lobby to Egypt to Jordan to Lebanon to

00:45:49.860 bring them in. What did you say on your show today 1.3 million

00:45:52.980 immigrants this year in 2023 1.3. So this is just ridiculous to 0.98

00:45:59.280 reach out for more. It's it's virtue signaling in a 0.90

00:46:01.460 dangerous way. Yeah. All right. Well, gentlemen, good show.

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