Western Standard - May 23, 2024


Germany decriminalises child-porn

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Western Standard editor-in-chief Nigel Hannaford and senior editor-at-large Derek Fildebrandt talk about the Bundestag in Germany decriminalizing child porn, Canada paying foreigners $12 million to shoot deer on Vancouver Island with weapons that's otherwise illegal for us to use, and Canada's carbon tax.

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00:00:00.000 Today is May 22nd, 2024. I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard.
00:00:29.600 and you're watching The Pipeline.
00:00:31.920 I'm joined, as always, by Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.
00:00:37.040 Lots to talk about today, Derek.
00:00:38.800 Sure is.
00:00:39.760 And Western Standard senior Alberta columnist, Corey Morgan.
00:00:42.800 Good afternoon.
00:00:43.880 Evening.
00:00:45.800 I don't know.
00:00:46.360 It stays late so long now I'm confused.
00:00:48.120 I'm a simple creature.
00:00:48.960 It really messes things up.
00:00:50.200 Yeah, spring.
00:00:51.040 Yeah.
00:00:51.600 Okay, well, we've got a good show today.
00:00:54.560 a bit more international than usual, a bit more well outside of Alberta, actually.
00:01:03.680 Germany, the Bundestag, their parliament has voted to decriminalize child pornography.
00:01:10.560 Oh, the algorithms are going to hate us now, so need to mention that.
00:01:14.000 But I don't have a lot of faith in Germany's government. But when I saw this one, I had to do
00:01:20.240 a double take and check and see if this one was correct. But yes, Germany's Bundestag is
00:01:24.960 voted to decriminalize child pornography, moving it from a regular criminal offense to a minor
00:01:30.000 misdemeanor. Well, there are. Well, and speaking of some evil Germans, unfortunately, Klaus Schwab 0.97
00:01:37.680 retiring from his post as the executive chairman of the World Economic Forum,
00:01:43.120 stepping back into more of a background role, we're gonna be talking about that.
00:01:47.520 Real funny story. Funny if you're a sucker for punishment like me. Ottawa has paid, we found, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation found out, has paid $12 million in taxpayers' money to shoot deer on Vancouver Island. 0.99
00:02:05.880 Yes, you heard that right. You, especially all of you watching on the Wild TV network, you're apparently incapable of shooting deer for free.
00:02:15.960 That's why Justin Trudeau has paid foreigners $12 million to shoot deer on Vancouver Island with weapons that he has otherwise declared illegal for us to use.
00:02:26.800 Spain, Norway, and Ireland just today have recognized Hamas.
00:02:32.440 Yes, Hamas, the genocidal terrorist organization, close cousins of al-Qaeda.
00:02:38.220 They are, believe it or not, the legitimately elected government of Palestine and currently ruling over the Gaza half of that territory.
00:02:49.800 Well, they've recognized it as a state.
00:02:53.400 So that'll be interesting when we talk about Spain's relationship with Catalonia, won't it?
00:02:58.300 Yeah. And federal environment, Mr. Stephen Gilboe, at a recent appearance before a parliamentary committee,
00:03:07.960 No real way to put it shortly here, but we're calling it his carbon tax bull scheisse bomb.
00:03:14.920 Quite a contradiction in facts, more or less at admission unintentionally by the federal government that the carbon tax, surprise, does nothing to save the earth.
00:03:25.860 All right, well, let's get into it.
00:03:27.160 We're going to start in the old country. 1.00
00:03:32.820 Germany's Bundestag, the Bundestag is the lower house of Reichstag, has voted to decriminalize child pornography.
00:03:42.800 Now, that doesn't mean it's not an offense at all, but it means it's moving from...
00:03:48.040 Actually, you know, I'm not going to get into it.
00:03:50.400 I'm going to bring in the reporter who broke the story for us on the Western Standard here.
00:03:54.160 Alberta reporter Jen Hodgson coming to us right now live from our newsroom.
00:04:00.420 Jen, tell us what the heck happened in Germany's Bundestag with child porn loss.
00:04:08.360 Hey guys, sure thing.
00:04:09.740 So this week Germany voted to downgrade what was originally a criminal offense for holding and distributing child abuse materials, which is child pornography.
00:04:22.280 It's been knocked down to a misdemeanor. So it's no longer a federal crime worth more than six months imprisonment. It's now been downgraded to a misdemeanor with a minimum penalty of three months imprisonment.
00:04:39.280 him. So I think this started with some conversation around technical matters, like
00:04:46.640 someone who's innocent, but comes into possession of this, and they're holding it on their computer
00:04:51.160 to give it to police people who aren't actually engaging engaging in, you know, malicious use of
00:04:56.560 child pornography. I guess there was some technical stuff around that. But then the governing
00:05:03.800 coalition, that's the Social Democratic Party, the Green Party and the Free Democratic Party,
00:05:08.840 a mostly left and center-left coalition government. They took those kind of technical
00:05:15.300 issues to resolve, and then they ran hog wild with it, just blanket decriminalizing child pornography. 0.99
00:05:22.340 Yep, that's exactly right, Derek. So there was reasoning by MPs that, well, there might be
00:05:28.800 parents or teachers whose child comes across child pornography on their phone, and they alert their
00:05:36.840 parent or teacher and then the parent or teacher downloads the material in order to notify law
00:05:43.720 enforcement. So there are certain exceptions that could be made in the bill to accommodate
00:05:49.940 these reasons and sure that may be the case sometimes but now it's just been blanketly
00:05:57.600 dismissed that we're not going to call this criminal anymore. So no matter what so some
00:06:04.280 creeper uh you know sitting in his basement looking at kiddie porn it's just it's not no 0.66
00:06:10.360 longer a criminal offense it's just a minor misdemeanor that's exactly right and in fact
00:06:15.480 in my research into this matter i found a pro pedophilia group based in germany whose leader
00:06:23.080 was actually celebrating this and posting to members that frequent his child porn website
00:06:31.960 that they should get a lawyer to delay the process until this bill goes into effect,
00:06:39.880 and then therefore their charges will be stayed. So we already have groups that are looking into
00:06:46.360 how to use this ruling to the advantage of pedophilia groups.
00:06:51.480 I don't know what the hell to say. So yeah, why don't you say something, Nigel?
00:06:58.120 Well, Jen, to what extent does this come from the use of kids taking pictures of each other with their cell phones?
00:07:08.320 Is this kind of spun up to such a degree that has become a problem that needs to be addressed this way?
00:07:16.480 Yeah, I think that's a good point, Nigel, because it did come up that, well, this is becoming more and more common
00:07:22.100 to have these child abusive materials like minors sending each other pornographic pictures
00:07:29.680 and so while this is a phenomenon that is happening where young people are feeling
00:07:35.320 emboldened to share these images of themselves and others it doesn't take away from the fact
00:07:40.780 that it is actually distribution of illegal well in germany would be formerly illegal
00:07:47.540 child pornography materials. However, there are going to be adults who are using this to take
00:07:55.340 advantage of that market as well. What happens to children, young people, underage kids who do
00:08:03.980 that here in Canada? I believe that they are susceptible to the same kind of rules of anyone
00:08:11.220 else. It's not allowed for kids to do that. Just because a minor is, say, 17, and with their
00:08:18.540 boyfriend or girlfriend, they share these kind of pictures with each other, that is still, to my
00:08:24.840 knowledge, considered child porn here in Canada, because it is the sharing of these compromised
00:08:32.040 pictures of children. And what happens to them when they're caught? I believe they'd be persecuted,
00:08:38.800 but probably as minors and not as adults.
00:08:41.460 But that's an excellent question.
00:08:42.720 That is maybe something I can work on for a follow-up story.
00:08:45.040 I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted for possession of their own images when they're underage.
00:08:50.500 I think it's when you send it to someone else and then they're sharing it from there
00:08:54.780 that criminal activity is considered going to take place.
00:08:59.880 You know, if a 16-year-old takes a picture of themselves, it's not wise, it's not good,
00:09:06.000 But I don't, I've never heard of another age person being prosecuted for having images of themselves.
00:09:11.520 But that's the thing is here, we're allowing judicial discretion.
00:09:14.700 If you brought a 17-year-old before a justice and said, we want to charge this girl because she shared a picture of herself that went around,
00:09:22.280 the judge is going to say, get out of my courtroom, quit wasting my time.
00:09:25.080 You bring in a 52-year-old man with 5,000 pictures of those 17-year-olds on his phone, he's going to say, this is problematic, this is a pedophile, let's get on this.
00:09:34.520 Yeah, you're going to jail for six months.
00:09:35.980 This is Canada.
00:09:36.560 This sort of excuse and saying, well, we don't know if the person picked up the phone on the train and it had it on it.
00:09:41.540 Well, again, that's what you bring to the judge if it gets that far.
00:09:44.360 It's ridiculous to throw a law out because there might be extenuating circumstances.
00:09:49.060 Well, the good news is the governing coalition of Germany is polling about as weekly as the UK Tories are as they go into a general election.
00:10:01.180 Everyone ready?
00:10:02.100 Sure.
00:10:04.520 Are you ready? Just drop it for now. Okay. All right. Well, staying with some unfortunately evil Germans. Klaus Schwab, the executive chairman of the World Economic Forum, has stepped down from that position. 1.00
00:10:22.700 And he's going to be stepping into the role of, I guess, chairman of the board of trustees, more of kind of an oversight role, not, you know, the day to day running of things.
00:10:31.500 He has been the head of the World Economic Forum since it was founded under a different name in 1971.
00:10:39.700 I mean, I think most people have heard of it by now.
00:10:42.340 It attracts, I think the last one had 50 presidents or prime ministers from different countries gathered at it.
00:10:48.500 The last other big confabs in Davos, attracting major CEOs, business leaders.
00:10:57.760 The World Economic Forum is the subject of many a conspiracy theory.
00:11:02.320 Until roughly 10 years ago, most of those conspiracy theories were on the left.
00:11:06.920 In the last 10 years, it's become more of a conspiracy theory of the right.
00:11:11.320 I keep on getting told it's an anti-Semitic one, but I don't understand how.
00:11:15.640 Klaus Schwab is a non-Jewish German, and he looks like Dr. Evil. 1.00
00:11:21.040 He even goes out of his way sometimes to dress as Dr. Evil.
00:11:24.220 I mean, it is a powerful organization. It's got revenues of about half a billion dollars a year.
00:11:29.480 He gets paid about a million Swiss francs a year, which works out to about a million USD.
00:11:34.080 I've never really bought in that it's pulling the strings on governments all over the world.
00:11:42.760 It has obvious influence. It's a very influential organization, but I suppose it's a thin line, Corey, between, you know, an influential organization that advocates for some pretty wacky and crazy ideas bordering on utopian socialism on the one hand.
00:12:03.600 and a sinister cabal that, you know, secretly runs everything.
00:12:09.800 They don't seem to be very good at secretly running everything
00:12:11.940 because they put all their wacky statements right on their website.
00:12:15.220 They advertise their membership on their website.
00:12:19.540 But I don't know.
00:12:20.360 What do you think the significance is of Kloche Fob stepping down here?
00:12:23.560 Well, I guess it depends on who replaces him.
00:12:25.320 Because as you said, he presents a caricature
00:12:27.700 of what the head of a shadowy world can...
00:12:30.720 It's like out of a Bond movie.
00:12:32.300 I mean, they meet in a Swiss resort in the mountains with influential business leaders and political leaders, and they plot.
00:12:39.120 And even as he speaks, it's like he's trolling.
00:12:41.660 He likes to brag about how many world leaders he's influenced, and he's gotten into the inner circles of, again, probably overstated by just how much influence he has.
00:12:53.980 But he stirs everybody up when he talks about it.
00:12:55.920 But if somebody more modest and rational is his replacement in coming forward and it just turns more into an international lobby group, it might calm some of the conspiratorial worries about this group or whatnot.
00:13:10.480 Or it could be somebody as colourful as he is and make it worse.
00:13:14.760 We'll see.
00:13:15.640 But for the time being, he was the symbol of that organisation.
00:13:18.900 So it'll be interesting to see how well the organisation fares without him being in the front.
00:13:22.700 Nigel, the World Economic Forum has begun, Klaus Schwab aside, who's kind of leaned into the Dr. Evil look of things, I think it's become aware that its ability to influence, and therefore ability to continue to bring in as much money as it does, is threatened by how it's now become viewed broadly by the right across the Western democratic world right now.
00:13:49.380 Now, his expected replacement, I can't recall the name of it, but he's apparently a former conservative prime minister of some Scandinavian country, I think Norway, but I'm not positive.
00:14:02.760 How conservative is a conservative party in Scandinavia?
00:14:06.720 That's debatable, but, I mean, they used to have a lot of prominent conservatives attending these things.
00:14:13.320 I mean, Stephen Harper would go to it, and it wasn't considered unconservative to go.
00:14:18.560 actually at that point, the conspiracy theories and the negative press on WEF came mostly from
00:14:23.860 the left. But since then, the WEF has had these crazy things like you'll own nothing and you'll
00:14:29.600 be happy, you know, trying to eliminate cars. But, you know, it kind of socialism for the ultra rich
00:14:41.140 that, you know, the people live under destitute socialism, but there's still a place for the
00:14:45.840 ultra uber wealthy to live lives of luxury. Do you think that is there any way for the WBF to
00:14:55.740 kind of salvage its formerly fairly lofty reputation to be able to attract people from
00:15:03.940 the right side back to it, not see it so anathema to the degree that Pierre Paulium has vowed that
00:15:09.160 no minister of his will be permitted membership or attendance at these things?
00:15:13.820 Well, of course, Pierre is going to say that, and so he should.
00:15:18.000 But he himself, I believe, has attended, and so have many other members of the Conservative Party waiting to take government next year.
00:15:28.980 Mr. Harper himself attended a number of times and used the podium there to make substantial public policy statements.
00:15:38.060 I remember one about raising the age of retirement from 65 to 67.
00:15:43.260 I don't want to talk about that particularly, but the point is, it was a good place to make a major economic policy statement because it was the World Economic Forum.
00:15:55.240 And the kind of anxiety that has been generated since, has come since those days, I don't think he would do that now.
00:16:03.920 But there's a tremendous number of Canadian politicians have been through, there's like a sort of a lecture program that you go through.
00:16:12.200 They try to expose the politician to their ideas.
00:16:16.680 Sometimes they get recruited right in.
00:16:18.800 I think Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland is on the board.
00:16:23.140 But that's not typical.
00:16:24.860 That's not the case for everybody.
00:16:26.660 They basically just want to put their ideas out there.
00:16:29.140 Now, their ideas are nothing that we would support.
00:16:33.380 This is a dreamy group with an ideal in which everybody lives within 15 minutes of everything they need.
00:16:42.700 Nobody has a car.
00:16:43.760 Nobody owns anything.
00:16:44.780 We've made that.
00:16:46.360 Schwab didn't say that, by the way.
00:16:48.820 But somebody close to him did.
00:16:51.280 It's one of their position papers.
00:16:52.220 It's one of their position papers.
00:16:53.860 But, you know, one thing worth noting, this is not a conspiracy organization.
00:16:59.360 Everything is on the website.
00:17:01.020 So when so-and-so says, you know what the West says and everything, ah, you're just a conspiracy theorist, well, probably not.
00:17:08.860 You can probably go to the website and find what the conspiracy theorist is actually quoting from.
00:17:14.040 They're very, very open about it.
00:17:15.560 They're just completely wrong.
00:17:16.600 They're the worst conspiratorial secret society ever.
00:17:20.420 It's all there.
00:17:21.620 They're just completely wrong.
00:17:23.240 But they're very public about it.
00:17:24.460 Yeah, I mean, it's possible to be dead wrong about policy issues and have significant influence over governments and it not be some shadowy secret cabal.
00:17:35.120 I almost wonder if it isn't purposeful sometimes. I mean, the way that discussion gets shut down when somebody brings up the Great Reset. It's crazy. Oh, you're talking about the Great Reset. You're a conspiracy theorist. Well, wait a minute. Schwab's book was called The Great Reset. It's right there. It's paged through it and it's full of looniness as well. But you're not a conspiracy theorist for calling it out. But you know what? It does stop a lot of people from calling it out because they just don't even want to get into those waters. You know, it's just a...
00:18:02.120 And fair enough, because, I mean, some people, you know, on the side that would share a lot of, you know, some worldview with us, will take it too far.
00:18:11.060 And they will think it's a shadowy cabal, and it is secret.
00:18:14.320 And they're wrong in, like, how open these guys are about it.
00:18:19.180 And so I'm actually, I'm a little hesitant to engage about it sometimes, because one side says anything you say about it is conspiracy theory, which is wrong.
00:18:27.760 And then, you know, some on the other side will say, oh, it is a conspiracy.
00:18:31.460 But no, it's not.
00:18:32.900 They're freaking right there, guys.
00:18:34.320 The thing is, Derek, they are influential because when you get invited in there, you're treated like royalty.
00:18:39.980 I've been there a couple of times.
00:18:42.540 You've been to the World Economic Forum?
00:18:44.140 Yeah.
00:18:44.520 Well, with Mr. Harper.
00:18:45.800 He's been controlled.
00:18:47.680 Breaking news here.
00:18:48.920 I don't know.
00:18:49.560 Well, I just unfold like an onion.
00:18:52.240 So layer by layer.
00:18:53.740 But anyway, look, they give you a good time.
00:18:56.160 The women are all beautiful, the people are all intelligent.
00:19:00.800 You sit there and listen to the stuff, and when they take the people
00:19:05.460 that they're really interested in, which was not me, I was a staffer,
00:19:09.520 but when they take the people, the MPs, kind of to the back room,
00:19:13.440 and then they sort of lean forward and, oh, let's talk.
00:19:17.140 It's very, very easy to persuade people in that environment,
00:19:20.780 and that's the danger of that organization.
00:19:23.060 If you don't like the point of view that they're pushing,
00:19:26.160 then they're pushing it very hard with the people who represent you.
00:19:32.100 That's the problem with the WEF.
00:19:34.420 All right.
00:19:36.160 Well, let's bring it to, actually, let's keep it international for now.
00:19:43.220 Let's keep it international, and then we're going to bring it closer to home.
00:19:46.300 So speaking of countries in Europe doing crazy things, Spain, Norway, and Ireland have all recognized the Palestinian state.
00:20:02.180 Now, that's interesting for a few reasons.
00:20:06.240 I mean, I can't foresee there ever being any kind of lasting peace in the Middle East without there being two states, a Palestinian state. 0.96
00:20:13.940 But I also cannot see any possibility of the Palestinians accepting reasonable borders of a Palestinian state that doesn't include, as they would say, from the river to the sea. 0.86
00:20:25.600 They want the whole damn thing or they want nothing. 0.98
00:20:28.680 Something has been offered several times, and every time it's been rejected, they want the whole damn thing. 0.99
00:20:33.920 But, and the last time there was an election in the Palestinian territories, you know who won those elections? Hamas. 0.73
00:20:43.900 Resoundingly.
00:20:44.420 Yeah, they thumped their opponents. And most of those opponents were not exactly modern liberal Western Democrats. They were crazy, too. They were just a little less crazy. They were genocidal on, say, Tuesdays and Thursdays, and willing to talk Mondays and Wednesdays.
00:21:02.420 Um, that's why Hamas runs Gaza and then, uh, West Bank. No, Hezbollah is, uh, West Bank. No, no, no, Hezbollah runs, uh, Southern Lebanon. Yeah, no, they're in the West Bank as well. That's the, the West Bank version of the Palestinians. Yeah. 0.83
00:21:20.860 Okay, they're all just lovely people, lovely people. Okay, so Spain, Norway, and Ireland have recognized the Palestinian state. Okay, but what is the Palestinian state? Because right now there are effectively two Palestinian states out of the territories. There's the government running the West Bank, and then there's Hamas running Gaza. Which one are they recognizing?
00:21:44.760 Well, ostensibly the last one to win an election, which was Hamas, and is a self-declared genocidal organization dedicated to the elimination of the Jews in the Middle East.
00:21:59.300 Corey, we'll go to you.
00:22:03.840 Which government are they recognizing?
00:22:05.820 Are they recognizing Hamas?
00:22:07.940 Because they're the legitimately elected government of Palestine.
00:22:11.540 They're talking about recognizing a state.
00:22:13.500 Well, nobody's even defined the boundaries of this state yet. That's what they're all fighting over. I mean, it would be a state that's in two parts because the West Bank is completely enclosed over bounding on Lebanon and Israel. And, you know, Gaza is bounding on Egypt and Israel down on the other end. But I mean, it's just so over the top and ridiculous. It would be, I guess, akin to saying post-World War II, we still recognize Germany as Germany, fine, but nobody was going to recognize Germany as long as the Nazis were in charge of the country. 0.83
00:22:43.500 Right now, Hamas is still running the show. 0.89
00:22:47.280 And I think most civilized people would say nothing is to be done with that state until Hamas is gone.
00:22:53.860 As simple as that.
00:22:55.100 And it's like Hamas is trying to remind us of that. 0.81
00:22:58.700 Just today, they put out yet another video with five 19-year-old girls they had, 0.78
00:23:04.000 beaten, bloodied, and battered, and raped, 0.87
00:23:06.220 and literally were taunting them, saying they're going to impregnate them.
00:23:09.540 This is the government that Norway, Ireland, and the others say we should recognize. 0.96
00:23:15.980 And I'll tell you, it's repugnant. 0.98
00:23:17.820 It's just repugnant. 0.99
00:23:18.780 And our cowardly prime minister, of course, hasn't even touched it or called it out because he won't take a side. 0.98
00:23:23.180 Sometimes the sides are pretty clear. 0.93
00:23:25.300 And this one's pretty clear. 0.99
00:23:26.520 Hamas is filth. 1.00
00:23:27.960 They're evil. 1.00
00:23:28.780 They demonstrate it to us in no country for a second.
00:23:32.300 I mean, they could talk about two-state solutions.
00:23:33.640 They could talk about Palestinians.
00:23:35.160 They could talk about Gaza.
00:23:35.940 But as long as Hamas is in there, I can't believe any civilized country is recognizing these guys. 0.88
00:23:41.020 Nigel, I want to talk about these three countries which have recognized, for all intents and purposes, Hamas. 0.87
00:23:51.240 Spain, Norway, Ireland.
00:23:53.800 All three, although especially Norway and Ireland are currently, and I should say especially, especially Ireland,
00:24:00.620 are currently experiencing political chaos as they deal with resistance to large numbers of migrants from the Middle East
00:24:09.340 who, by large, are very politically and religiously sympathetic with the Palestinian cause.
00:24:15.180 Spain has that issue, but not as extreme. 0.84
00:24:19.320 Spain has a bit of wild hypocrisy here.
00:24:23.320 There's this region, a lot of people maybe don't know, maybe let's put a map up just to show people.
00:24:27.280 A region, there's two regions in Spain which have long desired independence, the Basque country and Catalonia.
00:24:36.500 The Basque country is smaller, so less consequential, but it's, you know, it's actually fought terrorist campaigns, not as extreme as the Palestinians have,
00:24:44.060 but they have launched terrorism campaigns throughout the 20th century in the cause of independence.
00:24:48.380 And Catalonia, which has had referendums on independence, has established independent governments which have supported independence and have faced arrest by the central national government in Madrid.
00:25:04.300 They refuse to recognize independent statehood of countries and nations within their own borders, which have democratically and legitimately voted for independence.
00:25:16.520 But, so they won't acknowledge those, but they will recognize statehood and independence of Palestine, which has never been a state, although I think it does have a right to be a state at some point, if it can fulfill some very basic benchmarks.
00:25:30.780 but has no legitimate government.
00:25:33.740 The closest thing to a legitimate government that it has is Hamas. 0.68
00:25:38.280 So that's a bit to unpackage, but maybe you want to talk about these three countries
00:25:41.680 which have recognized the Hamas government today.
00:25:45.380 Well, just to your point about Catalonia,
00:25:48.000 my recollection is that Catalonia is the Alberta of Spain.
00:25:52.440 It's a very productive area, a lot of wealth comes from there,
00:25:56.000 and they have the same issues as we have with Ottawa,
00:25:59.840 but they have it with Madrid.
00:26:01.880 All the money is going out, not much is coming back.
00:26:04.160 And they're a bit, they have some cultural differences.
00:26:06.840 They have a cultural.
00:26:07.540 Yeah, they're not Castilian.
00:26:09.840 But then we have cultural issues too in Alberta.
00:26:12.620 So, as we will see at the Stampede.
00:26:15.520 Now, yeah, you're right.
00:26:18.120 There's a great hypocrisy there.
00:26:20.940 With Ireland and Norway, 0.94
00:26:23.300 I have to wonder what would actually happen
00:26:26.560 if those two governments had said,
00:26:28.880 not a chance they now have significant groups of people within the norway within ireland and
00:26:36.320 the number of other places who are sympathetic to hamas so what's the deal they're going to turn
00:26:43.280 the place upside down if they don't get what they uh what they want is that the strategy all along
00:26:49.120 or is it something that has just developed opportunistically i don't know i don't pretend
00:26:54.640 to have the answer but i do know that after what we've seen in the university protests all over the
00:27:01.520 united states here in canada to some degree there's a lot of people who are prepared to
00:27:07.440 make trouble for the governing authorities if they don't give some support and sympathy
00:27:13.760 and take a hard line on hamas maybe the irish and the norwegians have decided it's not worth it
00:27:20.480 And I mean, I mean, the IRA was never as vicious as Hamas, but you know, it was not, it was not your Sunday shooting club. I mean, the Irish have a long history of terrorism that worked. That's the, you know, terrorism does work. It is extremely, it is the most economic form of warfare there is. 0.59
00:27:50.480 I mean, you can graduate along, you've got nuclear war here, you got standing armies here,
00:27:55.760 and then you've got guerrilla war, and then you've got terrorism. It is war on a budget,
00:27:59.840 and it's very effective. And it did work, at least in large measure for Ireland. I mean,
00:28:05.680 when they tried pitch battles with the British, I mean, taking on the British Empire and pitch
00:28:09.600 battles pretty difficult. But when they launched in a long protracted civil and guerrilla terrorism
00:28:17.280 wars it paid off so you know perhaps i don't mean to cast aspersions on the irish i don't i don't
00:28:22.720 know enough irish living in the republic of ireland to be able to say and judge the national character
00:28:28.800 but based on the history maybe there's maybe the history is some indication that
00:28:32.960 you know hey we did it so who are we to judge um i don't know uh gory i know you're not a
00:28:40.880 expert in Spanish domestic politics, but you've written a lot on Alberta independence, comparing it, you know, the Quebec independence movement.
00:28:54.140 I don't know, would you foresee any trouble here with the wild, wild hypocrisy of Spain here as it regards its own, both Basque and Catalonian independence movements,
00:29:04.600 recognizing them when it won't recognize the very democratically legitimate independence movements in its own country?
00:29:10.960 Yeah, well, I mean, if we're talking about the independence movement,
00:29:13.120 it's getting to the point of the others of seeing, you know, taking violent acts.
00:29:17.020 I don't think we'll ever see it in Alberta.
00:29:19.260 No, I'm not talking about Alberta. I'm talking about Spain.
00:29:21.000 Yeah, we're talking in Spain.
00:29:23.920 I mean, I don't know if their central government is thinking as nuanced
00:29:27.460 or even about, you know, the fact or the hypocrisy within their own borders
00:29:31.360 of recognizing other states when somebody won't.
00:29:34.660 It starts to get complicated.
00:29:36.300 The point you hit on that was interesting, though, or Nigel did as well,
00:29:39.500 It's just that there's this large and growing cultural and religious, as you said, element of immigrants, and it's a minority, but a very vocal and active one throughout Europe and North America that are exerting some very effective pressure on local governments.
00:29:57.940 It's amazing, actually.
00:29:58.800 Look at the effect they've had here in Canada.
00:30:00.240 And the tail is wagging the dog everywhere you go.
00:30:03.160 If you run public opinion polls, typically the general populace is, no, we have no use for supporting or anything with them.
00:30:10.300 Yet the governments are just terrified of this minority group as opposed to the quiet majority.
00:30:16.360 And they pander to them.
00:30:17.560 And they pandered in Norway.
00:30:19.820 They've pandered now in Spain.
00:30:21.580 And I believe it's probably some of that motivation in Ireland as well.
00:30:24.500 I think your average Irishman couldn't give two hoots what's going on in the Middle East, whether they recognize or don't recognize.
00:30:31.700 And for the government to wade in on something like this, again, shows that, I mean, governments are motivated still more by their domestic standing than what's going on over there. 0.95
00:30:40.300 And I think they're worried about the crap they'll have to deal with at home.
00:30:43.920 Where's the IRA when you need them? 0.98
00:30:45.860 Yeah, well, I don't know.
00:30:49.820 What a mess.
00:30:50.480 But I just, I'm still astounded, the democratic nations.
00:30:53.320 I mean, just with the horrors we've seen committed, I can see opposing Israel and getting upset with Netanyahu and many, many things.
00:31:00.060 But to say we should reward these guys with statehood for what they did.
00:31:04.700 Well, that's it. It is a reward.
00:31:06.800 It's not just recognizing a Palestinian state or even just recognizing Hamas.
00:31:10.540 They're recognizing Hamas and Palestine as a state here, essentially because of October 7th.
00:31:19.960 If October 7th did not happen, recognition doesn't happen, you are rewarding a terrorist organization that has got written into its charter that it is committed to the genocide of the Jewish people between the river and the sea, and you're rewarding it with recognizing it with statehood. 0.56
00:31:38.780 I mean, this sends a message to every terrorist organization that terrorism works.
00:31:45.540 And we say, well, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Well, that's not strictly true.
00:31:48.760 We negotiate with terrorists all the time. We just try to do it quietly so we don't inspire others to do the same thing.
00:31:55.700 And now this is very clearly saying you go around and kidnap and murder and rape and make it politically inconvenient and disruptive with political groups domestically in our country.
00:32:09.140 Well, we're going to reward you for that.
00:32:11.640 The other countries are.
00:32:12.540 But Israel's making it pretty darn clear. 0.98
00:32:13.840 We're going to reward you with more bombs. 0.93
00:32:15.500 Yeah.
00:32:15.960 And they're not going to back down.
00:32:17.500 There's some of the people saying that Netanyahu's got to go find Netanyahu's got to go.
00:32:19.940 You think another prime minister is going to do any different?
00:32:22.620 No.
00:32:23.260 So that's what some of these other countries have got to think a little harder on, too.
00:32:26.380 You've got two intractable forces going on.
00:32:28.220 If you really want Israel to calm down, this isn't going to do it.
00:32:31.480 That's just telling Israel, well, we've really got to wipe out Hamas because they're trying to gain a toehold with these other nations. 0.91
00:32:36.480 So it's got to go.
00:32:38.340 Yeah, and there's pretty good arguments for a new for new leadership in Israel.
00:32:43.540 I mean, yeah, he's been there for a long time.
00:32:45.700 His prime ministership is certainly problematic.
00:32:49.740 Checkered.
00:32:50.220 It's checkered, putting it politely.
00:32:52.360 There's a lot of issues.
00:32:53.180 There's a lot of good cause to say it's time for new leadership there.
00:32:57.420 But, yeah, I think you could bring in even a center-left coalition in Israel right now,
00:33:02.580 and I don't think they're giving in to Hamas. 0.58
00:33:04.920 They're going to continue the war until Hamas is destroyed. 0.54
00:33:07.520 They're fighting for their survival.
00:33:09.100 It's as simple as that.
00:33:10.800 It focuses the mind when the alternative is death.
00:33:13.960 Yes.
00:33:15.240 All right.
00:33:15.960 Well, we're going to turn it a little closer to home now.
00:33:22.260 We're not going to get all the way to Alberta, although it touches us here, too.
00:33:26.000 So the federal environment minister is appearing before a committee of parliament,
00:33:32.100 and he's being asked some questions on the carbon tax.
00:33:36.500 He gives a lot of talk, not a lot of answers.
00:33:40.820 But then the deputy ministers, which are the senior bureaucrats reporting to him,
00:33:44.300 I mean, they talk like bureaucrats, but every once in a while, they'll say something interesting.
00:33:51.100 Nigel, why don't you set the table about what happened here?
00:33:53.920 So, yes, this is the story we ran this morning, that Mr. Gilbo was speaking to the Parliamentary Committee,
00:34:00.340 and he presented as a fact that his carbon tax had reduced greenhouse gas emissions in Canada by a third.
00:34:10.080 Well, actual figures put it at closer to 2%.
00:34:14.100 Sometimes it's a bit of a gap, 2% to 33%.
00:34:18.100 31% gap.
00:34:21.100 And, you know, when he was questioning,
00:34:24.100 well, I gave you the figures, you know, there's the explanation.
00:34:27.100 So we've got these guys who can't, I think you were ranting about this this morning,
00:34:32.100 that they can't forecast the weather for a few weeks out,
00:34:36.100 and they want to forecast how much the sea level is going to rise in a couple of hundred years.
00:34:41.100 giving the figures for how much carbon tax has reduced the amount of co2 in the atmosphere well
00:34:51.160 he says one of those sort of wow you don't say so he says i will be the first one to recognize
00:35:00.120 that it is complex you know and this is where we come to the title of this segment basically he's
00:35:07.580 snowing these guys with numbers and they're doing their best to keep up but it's a religious cause
00:35:13.660 for him and there is no way of arguing the facts on this you either like the idea of a carbon tax
00:35:22.820 because it punishes people who drive suvs you would know i drive a truck well it's a i've seen
00:35:30.560 uh i've seen plenty of smaller suvs than the truck you drive sir it's uh
00:35:37.760 suvs are just they take all the gas of a truck without all the benefits of a truck exactly 0.98
00:35:42.560 anyway be that as a big no he's he's trying to snow people this is good i am positive that
00:35:48.640 when we have a change of government the carbon tax will be the first thing to go
00:35:52.320 and you know what it won't make a bit of difference to the amount of carbon dioxide
00:35:56.000 that's emitted in the atmosphere, because who is changing their driving habits as a result
00:36:02.480 of the carbon tax? Who is lowering the temperature in their house because of the carbon tax?
00:36:08.200 We're just digging deeper into our pockets to pay for it.
00:36:12.560 Corey, you know, he really wasn't able to say with any clarity how much the carbon tax has
00:36:19.360 lowered greenhouse gas emissions. But the favorite question, I love seeing these guys get asked,
00:36:24.860 and I've never once seen anyone answer it is, how many degrees has the carbon tax changed the
00:36:31.180 temperature of the planet? I mean, I know it would be small. The drought is coming to an end in
00:36:36.860 Alberta, so that's probably because of the carbon tax. If he hadn't imposed it, we would probably
00:36:40.540 have cactus sprouting. I mean, yeah, this is the whitest drought ever. I mean, for a while it looked
00:36:45.340 like we could have a drought. Oh, there was a drought. We didn't have a lot of snow in this
00:36:49.260 winter you know snowpack is small but yeah like just uh you know i i've been following some
00:36:54.780 amusement i mean i mean you're a pure troll on twitter uh i i see what you do i i see you know
00:37:02.620 you're quite abused by it um and and just the reaction to this the screaming that no we're
00:37:09.180 supposed to have a drought the drought proves global warming or climate change now uh but i i
00:37:15.020 suppose if it's really wet, that's climate change
00:37:17.240 too. Well, that's the thing is when it comes
00:37:19.120 to, and we've talked about that with Gilboa, he's the real deal
00:37:21.040 though. I mean, he's not a guy posturing,
00:37:22.980 he really is the green Jesus. He's
00:37:25.120 swallowed the entire
00:37:27.260 religious
00:37:28.880 thing about it. So he has no qualms about
00:37:30.980 you know, just making it up
00:37:33.040 as he goes along. There's no, the morality
00:37:34.980 is all about fixing the climate that he thinks he
00:37:36.920 can. And so
00:37:38.900 fudging the numbers doesn't go beyond
00:37:41.040 him. And he believes his
00:37:43.040 own crap is part of it. I mean, even with it going down 2%, how can we attribute that to the 0.99
00:37:49.300 carbon tax necessarily? More than likely, it's just due to better modern technology that reduces
00:37:53.740 the amount of fuel we need to use in our vehicles, better insulation in homes, many other things.
00:37:59.660 But he's a true believer. As I said, nothing's going to convince him otherwise. And he won't
00:38:06.060 have a moral qualm for a second to just completely put out such blatant baloney and so many other
00:38:13.020 terms we're trying to use to avoid swearing on here. You know, where it covers his, you know,
00:38:22.940 his actions. It's just ridiculous. But again, we'll wait until after the next election. And if 0.99
00:38:28.820 the carbon tax is gone, and if it leads to the desertification of Canada, well, we'll tell
00:38:33.400 Gilboa he was right later. You know, I remember, Nigel, a documentary, I think I saw it on Netflix
00:38:39.200 a few years ago it was about flat earthers and you know they and these guys really believed it
00:38:46.080 it wasn't just like a joke for these guys these were real flat earthers and there's a couple
00:38:51.200 i think we blow up how many they're actually out there because they're just so funny to make fun of
00:38:56.560 but they um you know it follows them around and there's just nothing that can prove to them
00:39:03.760 no proof before their eyes that will convince them that the earth is round but they put together an
00:39:10.160 experiment the documentary ends with an experiment of their own and i forget i forget exactly how the
00:39:15.360 experiment works but they're like this is the definitive experiment and the results are going
00:39:20.160 to prove that the earth is flat that there is no horizon and they perform the experiment and this
00:39:27.440 is just captured live by the cameras and their experiment proves that the earth is around and
00:39:33.280 And they just sit there in silence,
00:39:37.300 just kind of looking at each other,
00:39:39.280 but then they're kind of avoiding eye contact
00:39:40.500 with each other because they just,
00:39:42.180 they don't want each other to know what they all,
00:39:44.360 they all know what they're thinking,
00:39:45.640 but they don't want to see it in each other's eyes.
00:39:48.280 And then the documentary ends
00:39:51.180 when one guy just kind of looks at the camera and says,
00:39:53.120 ah, we screwed it up, we have to redo the experiment.
00:39:56.200 So, I mean, these guys are always gonna find the right answer.
00:39:59.840 Everything is climate change.
00:40:00.900 I saw a CTV headline today,
00:40:05.580 climate change causing turbulence on flights, experts say.
00:40:11.020 I mean, everything is climate change.
00:40:13.820 Everything used to be global warming,
00:40:15.120 but that's obviously not the case.
00:40:16.920 But you had a bunch of rain in,
00:40:19.080 was like Dubai or something somewhere in the UAE
00:40:21.680 the other month, that's climate change.
00:40:23.820 We have a drought in Alberta, it's climate change.
00:40:27.100 If there's turbulence on planes, it's climate change.
00:40:30.900 What, Nigel, isn't climate change?
00:40:35.120 Everything is climate change, and the climate has been changing for hundreds of millions of years.
00:40:40.260 You know, we happen to be able to be very good at measuring it for the last couple of hundred.
00:40:45.340 But you go to the geologists and ask them to take you down through the stratigraphic record.
00:40:50.840 You'll come to places in the same pile of rocks where here it was wet and there is coal,
00:40:57.140 and here it was dry and this is this is sand we have deserts that look like this today and
00:41:04.120 then you say well how hot was oh boy you know and then they come up with their calculations and I
00:41:09.040 have no more faith in those calculations than I do of the people in in the environment ministry
00:41:14.660 in Ottawa but clearly if you have a kind of a red desert it probably was hot and if it's populated
00:41:21.300 with animals that don't live in temperate climes,
00:41:25.700 it probably was very, very hot, you know?
00:41:28.700 So the climate has always been changing.
00:41:31.240 So I would expect that to continue
00:41:34.440 and to overestimate the human impact on that
00:41:38.920 is the height of human pride.
00:41:41.980 Corey, CTV says turbulence is now caused by climate change.
00:41:46.660 I've seen claims that climate change causes insomnia, fertility issues, that it unfairly impacts the LGBTQ community, racialized communities.
00:41:57.580 There is nothing.
00:41:58.860 They will not.
00:41:59.700 You stub your toe in the night, it was climate change.
00:42:03.660 Yes, racial stub my toe.
00:42:06.240 It's just there's no end.
00:42:07.320 They will attribute without cause.
00:42:08.860 And it shows, yes, when CTV so baselessly, so recently would attribute something so ridiculously as turbulence to climate change shows that they're no better than Gilbo when they will just throw out stuff with no basis.
00:42:21.220 This has got all of the hallmarks of primitive religion, not even advanced monotheistic religions.
00:42:29.960 I'm talking primitive sun god sacrificing virgins religion, animism, that kind of thing,
00:42:38.420 that everything has some external cause beyond provable science, that everything can be attributable to this one thing.
00:42:46.000 Are we going to have a good crop this year? It's the gods.
00:42:49.920 And they just have replaced God with climate change.
00:42:54.660 Nietzsche was wrong.
00:42:55.620 God is not dead.
00:42:56.440 He just changed his name and address.
00:42:59.620 Yeah, anytime you find nature worship, you will find human sacrifice,
00:43:03.540 whether it's actually the human body on the fire
00:43:06.780 or whether it's humans being asked to do more with less and so on to their disadvantage.
00:43:14.200 You will own nothing, and you will be happy.
00:43:17.020 All right, gentlemen, thank you very much.
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