Western Standard - Guilbeault fired up over 'successful' forest manaagement

00:00:00.000 good evening welcome to the pipeline i'm cory morgan this is the western standards weekly

00:00:28.800 panel show where we'll pick a couple of the or a few of the top stories and break them down and

00:00:34.080 interpret and explain them for you with some of the best minds the western standard has to offer

00:00:40.520 so i'll reach out across the desk here and lay out who those best minds are we've got our opinion

00:00:45.840 editor nigel henneford here today some days i'm a good mind there's other good people here well

00:00:51.420 we'll leave it to the viewers to judge who can't always be winners though right that's right and

00:00:56.920 And news editor Dave Naylor on the end there.

00:01:00.180 Glad to reclaim my proper place on the table.

00:01:03.960 Yeah, you got your preferred seat.

00:01:05.320 Yes, I'm all set, ready to go.

00:01:07.080 Okay, right on.

00:01:08.100 Well, and we've got lots to go upon today.

00:01:11.180 I guess we'll start on what's been the top story all week.

00:01:15.480 I mean, it's a terrible tragedy.

00:01:17.700 The Jasper fire has been ongoing.

00:01:19.900 A whole lot of people now, you know, the fire's still burning,

00:01:23.940 but most of the damage seems to have been done.

00:01:26.920 A lot of I told you so's and, well, kind of hindsight and looking at what happened.

00:01:32.480 So what all is going on with Mr. Gilboa and the Jasper fire?

00:01:35.900 You know, the only good thing to come out of this quarry is no one was killed or badly injured.

00:01:42.300 And the firefighters did a heroic job.

00:01:44.700 But, yeah, the finger pointing started the next day.

00:01:47.680 And, you know, you could set your clock by it.

00:01:50.920 Gilboa came out and blamed climate change and the horror of the horror.

00:01:55.240 Canada's burning. And then strangely went on to praise the forest management around Jasper,

00:02:04.280 which is really the entire problem as to why the town burned. And the town mayor seemed to think

00:02:12.300 it was a success that only 70% of the buildings or only 70% of the buildings were saved, 30%

00:02:19.360 destroyed. But no, a third of the town is gone. It's going to be uninhabitable for a while while

00:02:24.140 they deal with the toxins in there and they've got to open up gas stations and supermarkets before

00:02:32.320 the town can go back. So, you know, those people are going to be out for a while and the question

00:02:37.040 marks, you know, the finger pointing will continue over the next several weeks. Well, it's kind of

00:02:43.620 the wrong attitude. I mean, we should be, you know, okay, point out the things that are good. Yes,

00:02:47.160 nobody was killed. Yes, there are 70% of the buildings that are remaining. These are good

00:02:52.180 things but i mean the attitude we should be having so much it could have been worse i think the

00:02:56.820 discussion now is it could have been a lot better yes there is a real debate between the politicians

00:03:05.540 who don't really know what they're talking about and the experts who may disagree among themselves

00:03:14.420 but do have some facts to back up mr gilbo is uh obviously he's totally agenda driven

00:03:21.380 And if he can blame a fire on global warming, that's what he's going to do.

00:03:25.920 He's a politician.

00:03:28.200 If I were him, I'd be ashamed to come out with something like that.

00:03:32.780 It's so transparent.

00:03:35.880 But what the foresters will tell you is that our forest management practices are designed

00:03:43.100 to save trees, which sounds great, except that some of them make the case

00:03:49.180 that if you leave the dead wood on the ground, it rots

00:03:51.800 and all the little bugs and critters get in there

00:03:54.840 and, you know, it's sort of a whole ecosystem onto itself.

00:03:58.740 And the only thing is that that's like tinder.

00:04:02.620 When that dries out, you get...

00:04:05.260 So what some forest areas do is they pull that stuff out.

00:04:08.760 You still get a fire,

00:04:10.140 but at least it doesn't get to that intensity of heat.

00:04:13.520 Meanwhile, we had an excellent article

00:04:16.060 from a gentleman from Hinton who wrote for us

00:04:19.040 His name is Stuart Taylor, and he pointed out, this would have been on a Monday paper,

00:04:25.300 that some of the forest practices that we have used on the edges of the national parks,

00:04:33.560 in defense of this principle of always save the trees, have actually allowed the trees

00:04:40.580 to encroach into areas that once never were treed, at least not in sort of recent centuries.

00:04:47.540 So we don't have this more forest yet, but in a vulnerable place.

00:04:53.120 So I don't presume to have an authoritative final opinion on good management practices

00:05:01.000 in Alberta forests, but we must all recognize that there's more than one way to look at

00:05:06.000 this thing.

00:05:07.000 And for the minister in Ottawa to sit there and say, well, we only lost 30% of the time.

00:05:13.240 That's good forest management.

00:05:14.600 No, it's not good forest management.

00:05:17.160 is a simple childish reaction that you would expect from a man like that.

00:05:24.440 Climate change discussion aside, assuming climate change is what's been driving the hot weather

00:05:28.640 and dried out the forest and made it much more dangerous, we're learning anyways,

00:05:32.700 no matter how much we carbon tax ourself, if we're going to change it back to cooler weather,

00:05:36.100 it's going to take some time. I'm just saying to play that devil's advocate. In that case,

00:05:41.240 we still have high fire hazard areas. We have populated areas of people living within bush.

00:05:47.720 The discussion has to be, how can we protect structures and people then as it becomes more

00:05:53.220 dangerous? And then instead of swinging away saying, well, it's our fault for not taxing

00:05:56.700 ourselves. Absolutely. You know, if you do get, you know, the ambient temperature of the globe

00:06:02.340 down a couple of degrees, first, you're still going to have forest fires. We have evidence of

00:06:07.980 forest fires going back thousands of years. It's not going to change anything. No, and it's going

00:06:14.020 to happen every year. It's continuing to happen now. Slave Lake, Fort McMurray. You know, every

00:06:19.380 year there's towns in danger of being completely overrun by fire. And so everybody has to ask

00:06:27.620 themselves, what has town aid done to protect themselves? Do they have enough fire guards

00:06:33.540 around them do they have enough like clear area between the last trees and the beginning of town

00:06:39.520 have they cleared out all the dead timber uh you know that's just laying there that is the

00:06:44.760 ignition source for all all these fires you know and each town is going to you know have to be

00:06:49.660 extremely careful uh you know it's lucky we haven't lost banff uh you know yet uh it's lucky

00:06:57.780 that large swaths of Banff National Park and other national parks have been basically unaffected by

00:07:05.860 these forest fires so far. You know, we have to do everything that we can to protect our towns

00:07:14.300 and cities and our forests. Well, I grew up in Banff. That's my hometown. That's where I graduated

00:07:20.300 high school before fleeing foolishly. Wait a minute. You graduated? Yeah, I went through the

00:07:26.340 Okay, all right, all right.

00:07:27.640 Just wanted to make sure.

00:07:29.100 Got the pictures taken.

00:07:30.880 That stood up for my grad night.

00:07:33.100 That's a separate discussion altogether.

00:07:34.580 I'll weep about that later.

00:07:36.240 But it's a unique area,

00:07:38.800 and I can see where the pressures come.

00:07:41.900 I mean, a boreal forest,

00:07:44.040 it's natural for it to burn about every 80 years.

00:07:45.900 That's the way it rejuvenates itself, it goes,

00:07:48.140 it has to happen, or we can artificially do it

00:07:50.480 through logging, mulching, a number of ways.

00:07:53.540 But Banff has some very, very influential people

00:07:56.280 with some very expensive houses backed right into those trees

00:08:00.920 and they're gonna raise unholy hell

00:08:04.380 if suddenly there's a bulldozer back there

00:08:06.120 building a firebreak or the chainsaws can't go on.

00:08:09.720 But they have to ask themselves,

00:08:10.940 would they rather have that and the home standing

00:08:12.900 or the charred rubble?

00:08:14.160 Well, I think after what they've seen in Jasper,

00:08:15.840 maybe some of them will.

00:08:17.000 This is the time for the leaders, the mayors,

00:08:19.800 the provincial leaders, the federal wants to say,

00:08:22.540 we need to do this for your protection.

00:08:24.860 Let's get in there and get on it.

00:08:26.080 I mean, just to talk about how we, you know, when you've gone 30, 40, 50 years without a fire, it's hard to convince these people this needs to be done.

00:08:32.640 Right now, I think a lot of people are receptive to fire prevention.

00:08:35.500 One of the things I'm seeing is that there haven't been enough prescribed burns, and those are dangerous things.

00:08:42.460 We had a tremendous exclusive last year from Linda Slobodian about a prescribed bird near Banff that got completely out of control. 0.99

00:08:51.500 So, you know, the parks people were all proud of it because this was their first all-female

00:08:56.520 crew. 0.99

00:08:57.800 And, you know, it quickly got out of control and got out of hand.

00:09:01.020 So we need to figure out how to do these prescribed burns properly and get back to

00:09:06.140 doing them often.

00:09:07.860 There's a lot of things.

00:09:09.020 You know, I was in the field for a long time as a surveyor.

00:09:11.380 When we would cut bush, we would have to take the deadfall, you lay it to the ground, take

00:09:15.760 some chainsaw work or a mulcher, and you've got to break it up, cut it into a bucket up,

00:09:19.160 would call it six foot lengths take the limbs off it so you're not leaving a fire hazard behind but

00:09:24.020 it's labor-intensive it's expensive and if you're looking to do a large area it's going to take some

00:09:28.300 it is and there is this self-justifying philosophy that well actually you should leave it there so

00:09:34.160 that it can rot you know yeah and you can make it rot if you cut it into enough pieces and lay it

00:09:39.040 flat but if it goes naturally tends to lean on the next tree and then you've got this nice dry twig

00:09:43.560 sitting up there they call them fire ladders because it'll go right to the tops if it burns

00:09:47.960 And they were talking about 300-foot-high walls of flame in Jasper, and that's exactly what.

00:09:54.060 Well, let's say when it's choked with that much deadfall, then you've got a much hotter fire, a faster-traveling fire,

00:09:58.660 and a fire that's much more difficult to stop the spread of or put out.

00:10:01.400 So we'll kind of segue that into another exclusive that the Western Standard had, though, when we're talking about fire.

00:10:07.640 So yes, let's turn to our Sean Polzer, who got an exclusive on this, where it appears an Alberta company may have had something that really could have helped mitigate the issue and protect some buildings, but they couldn't do so during the case of this fire.

00:10:24.360 Can you expand on that, Sean?

00:10:26.280 Well, it appears that this company, Firefox, is out of Onaway, and the fellow who owns it is a canola farmer.

00:10:33.800 and he's developed a proprietary um you you know like that foam that they spray out of water bombers

00:10:40.400 uh he and he compared it to snot it's it's made from a polymer gel and canola oil and basically

00:10:47.300 you spray this thing on fires and it helps kill them and so he did the colonna fire well he he

00:10:54.380 was the only one who did the colonna fire but he was called in and i believe it was in 2002

00:10:58.300 two, and he managed to save, you remember those train trestles that were going? So you

00:11:04.620 can spray, you can paint buildings with this stuff, you can spray it from the air, you

00:11:09.440 can shoot it from a fire truck. And when that fire was rolling through the valley there,

00:11:13.620 they managed to save one of the trestles. They did it again. He claims to be the only

00:11:20.980 guy that's ever been able to put out a level five fire. So I said, what's a level five

00:11:24.860 fire. And he goes, well, this is exactly what happened with Jasper. And after last year's

00:11:29.780 wildfire seasons, he's been in negotiations with the Alberta government to become an exclusive

00:11:34.640 kind of distributor of this product, you know, for the Alberta Forest Service. And apparently

00:11:42.300 the negotiations have been going on through various phases. You know how contract negotiations

00:11:49.740 go you know ebb and flow they go up and down and when Jasper hit so in any event it's not clear

00:11:56.620 whether or not um he actually would have you know you know what I mean if it was available because

00:12:02.860 Jasper's managed by the national park right not uh from the Alberta government and uh that was

00:12:08.540 the question that I actually did put to uh Premier Smith yesterday uh she wants the rules of engagement

00:12:14.380 basically to be overhauled so that I think Alberta government has some limited influence over what

00:12:20.140 goes on in town but they don't have it over the park they don't really have a say in the

00:12:24.700 forest management practices that you were talking about like prescribed burns

00:12:28.860 you know I did I did an interesting comparison forgive me if I'm going on a little long here

00:12:35.180 but when you were talking about prescribed burns so I think they did a prescribed burn it was like

00:12:40.700 50 hectares last year right there are 18 million hectares of pine beetle infested forests in

00:12:49.660 canada and when you're talking about forestry practices you have to look at countries like

00:12:54.620 sweden and finland that have very they have developed forestry industries they don't have

00:12:59.740 natural parks per se but they call them natural areas and they're they're used for recreation as

00:13:05.820 well as industry the total number of pine beetle hector infested acres since 2018 20 000. they use

00:13:17.340 ai they use satellites to track these outbreaks and then as soon as they find them they go in

00:13:21.660 there and they stop them uh they remove the dead wood they replant and that's it they move on yeah

00:13:26.940 well in a whole lot of areas too though i mean outside of the national parks or even within

00:13:31.100 And the pine beetle killed trees and things that they're far enough from populated areas that if

00:13:36.820 they caught up, we could let them burn. I mean, you know, even if it's not a prescribed fire,

00:13:40.640 and I think that's often the case. I mean, people talk about Alberta has 170 fires burning right

00:13:44.560 now. And yes, but most of them are, you know, way out in the boreal forest, and they're just

00:13:48.900 letting them burn. People don't realize that. Right. Like the fire in Fort McMurray actually

00:13:54.420 burned out in saskatchewan it burned on for months it didn't actually extinguish itself until like

00:14:02.340 march of the next year so it burned for almost a complete year and it traveled through the whole

00:14:07.540 entire forest before it just naturally extinguished in the bog so yeah and the problem is when these

00:14:14.900 fires are close to infrastructure right so this fellow rick solomon it sounds to me what the 0.91

00:14:22.500 hold up is environmental certification because these fire retardants are not always good for 0.84

00:14:29.300 water bodies. So he's claiming that his is, that it's all natural product and he's had it studied 0.98

00:14:37.060 about 20 times and it sounds to me like there's some kind of an issue with the environmental

00:14:42.900 certification of the product even though it has been approved by the U.S. Forest Service in the U.S.

00:14:48.980 Yeah, unfortunately, bureaucracy makes it difficult to get things done too terribly quickly.

00:14:53.940 But I mean, we'll see.

00:14:55.620 I mean, you know, lots of companies claim a lot of things, but if it's an effective product

00:15:00.920 and he really has been putting forth with this and been held up, I mean, it's just one

00:15:05.800 more I told you so going on in this whole disaster, which is unfortunate, you know,

00:15:10.060 with a lot of people giving a lot of warning for a long time or offering ways to have mitigated

00:15:13.860 the harm.

00:15:14.920 Absolutely.

00:15:15.240 Absolutely. And one of the points that we did talk about was prescribed burns. So like, as you said, prescribed burns are dangerous because you have to typically do them from the ground. It's labor intensive. So what he does is he lays like a band of this gel, maybe a couple of kilometers long, right? So that's kind of like your backstop on it. And then they burn forward. And then they can actually control the direction of where the fire is going.

00:15:41.240 you know, with helicopters and by spraying, they're actually moving the direction of,

00:15:47.020 you know, the fire through these burns, and he claims they can burn, like, thousands of

00:15:50.700 hectares in just a matter of hours.

00:15:54.240 Well, I'm looking forward to you following up with this, Sean, and find out what's

00:15:58.580 up with it.

00:15:59.580 And hopefully, all the same, whatever happens, we've learned from it, and hopefully this

00:16:02.360 man's product works as well, as he says, and we can get it applied to avoid future damage

00:16:06.220 on things.

00:16:07.220 He's actually on the phone.

00:16:08.220 well okay well i'll let you get to them and uh we'll get back to the show then sean so

00:16:13.980 thanks for your time there and that's our sean pulser on a a new product in there but we're

00:16:18.140 going to get an update it sounds like from from that gentleman there he's talking directly to him

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00:17:11.200 the most popular, incredible, you know, beatific politician out there, beloved

00:17:18.160 Kamala Harris. Apparently, she's just the darling of North America now, Dave.

00:17:24.060 Well, we've misunderstood her all along, and we've only got ourselves to blame.

00:17:28.620 um apparently she has the best best vice president in u.s history and will become the best president 0.97

00:17:35.960 in u.s history uh she's being uh revamped by the democratic party as you know it's their only hope

00:17:43.700 so they have to do what they have to do but it should be fairly easy for the trump campaign to

00:17:49.380 show these this this revamping it isn't working she did not fix the border she did not fix

00:17:56.400 California when she was a prosecutor there. And I think she's been one of the least ineffective 0.86

00:18:03.120 vice presidents in U.S. history. So good luck on the revamp. 0.99

00:18:08.440 Well, you know, Dave, I hope that she continues to be ineffective because if she were actually

00:18:13.520 to govern, say she won, if she were actually to govern on the basis of what she really thinks,

00:18:21.040 and I'm going by what she has said

00:18:23.760 when her reputation and her job was not on the line

00:18:27.000 and she was just being asked what she thought about things.

00:18:30.960 This is the most radical politician that we've seen for some time,

00:18:35.300 not merely in the United States, even in Venezuela. 0.93

00:18:39.180 She's way, way out there.

00:18:41.900 I just did a bit of scanning back over the news here.

00:18:47.620 She's called for private health insurance,

00:18:49.880 single-payer socialized healthcare system which is a very large step for the united states to take

00:18:55.400 after their scare with obamacare she wants full firearm confiscation so far she's sounding like

00:19:01.400 mr trudeau she's talking about tax rates for upper income learners up to as much as 90 percent

00:19:09.960 oh she wants the aoc's new green deal deal she supported the rioters in 2020 at the george floyd

00:19:18.200 Now, I realize she's a woman of color, and for many people,

00:19:21.200 that's part of the attraction of her.

00:19:23.700 But, you know, basically in those riots, 0.99

00:19:27.100 it was black people that got killed by other black people. 0.97

00:19:29.700 It wasn't a good, it was not a good thing. 1.00

00:19:33.600 She supported it, however.

00:19:35.000 She even, I think, she'd get a fund going for bail

00:19:38.900 for some of the people involved.

00:19:40.600 Steve Winick- Yeah.

00:19:41.900 Steve Winick- Of course, she supports the defund the police.

00:19:45.600 She talked about getting rid of ICE.

00:19:48.500 They need to be restructured. 0.96

00:19:49.800 ICE is the border agency that she was supposed 1.00

00:19:53.420 to be overseeing down there, and what she could do is criticize them 0.80

00:19:56.960 while they were trying to keep the illegal immigrants out.

00:19:59.880 And she said they were keeping out, but in actual fact,

00:20:02.220 hundreds of thousands of millions crossed during the time

00:20:05.240 when she was supposedly the border czar.

00:20:08.120 About a week ago, Pete Buttigieg came out and said,

00:20:12.320 Actually, she never was a boarder czar.

00:20:15.040 It was all being done somewhere else.

00:20:18.360 So, you know, calling and letting millions of people in

00:20:22.480 and then calling for American taxpayers

00:20:24.880 to actually cover their accommodation, their health,

00:20:28.040 their education, all the other things, it is a very,

00:20:32.400 very long way that she has to come back.

00:20:35.500 And, you know, I have a bit of a theory

00:20:38.120 on why they just anointed her with biden's blessing because they could have actually milked

00:20:46.440 the news cycle for a whole month if they had allowed other people to contend for the nomination

00:20:53.720 you know how that goes but they they actually decided to give up all that air time to make sure 0.98

00:21:03.160 they got her. And this is the stuff that they are now, with the willing connivance of the

00:21:11.620 American left-wing media, trying to rehabilitate her as just a regular girl next door who

00:21:18.040 could be the greatest president ever, you know? So there's a lot going on there. We're

00:21:24.680 going to have to stay on top of it. But this is, can I use the word whitewash? John?

00:21:30.040 oh yes well you already did i guess i did yeah what uh she carries no shortage of baggage i 1.00

00:21:36.920 mean that's a challenge you have with any politician who's been in for a while or done 0.99

00:21:40.280 things uh and you know she's been able to kind of quietly sit in the background for some time but

00:21:45.720 she's going to get the harsh scrutiny of a an opposing campaign and it tells you something

00:21:52.120 about a person is how do they keep their subordinates she is apparently uh a witch to

00:21:58.680 work for um sounds like our governor general's well you know some people do do do feel the burden

00:22:05.880 of office uh acutely and take it out on their subordinates but you know you need somebody who's

00:22:10.840 a little more delicate with their own people than that you do i think her biggest uh biggest problem

00:22:16.120 is going to be the border 11 million or there's reports of up to 11 million people coming in

00:22:21.800 obviously some of them will be not very nice people uh you look at the problems they've had

00:22:26.520 in the so-called sanctuary cities.

00:22:29.260 New York City is a mess right now. 1.00

00:22:33.280 You know, so any city that has had those migrants come in 1.00

00:22:37.180 and cause chaos is going to blame Kamala Harris 1.00

00:22:41.140 because if she is under her watch as the borders are, 0.99

00:22:45.220 whether they deny it now or not,

00:22:47.420 that allowed all the migrants to come in. 0.96

00:22:50.700 All right, the coverage that she's getting now 1.00

00:22:52.600 is about as good as it's going to get.

00:22:54.040 Yes, it's all downhill from there.

00:22:55.280 Well, I mean, this kind of was kind of years in the making, too.

00:23:00.460 I mean, they used the border as a hammer to hit the Trump administration with over and over.

00:23:05.860 You know, he's heartless.

00:23:06.840 We had AOC crying at the fence and all the theatrics and baloney going on down there.

00:23:12.740 So they campaigned on essentially being permissive with the border.

00:23:17.180 I don't think any government's managed to keep that border from being terribly, you know, porous as it is.

00:23:21.920 But they've said, we're going to let folks in. 0.95

00:23:24.520 we're going to normalize illegal immigration. In fact,

00:23:26.740 we aren't even going to call it illegal immigration anymore. And as Dave said,

00:23:30.500 though, in progressive cities,

00:23:32.740 they're starting to feel the consequences of that sort of policy and even

00:23:37.900 progressive minded people, if they're scared to go out their front door,

00:23:41.180 if they're having issues going on because of unchecked immigration,

00:23:44.980 they're going to vote with what's going on out there and then come, 0.82

00:23:48.000 I was going to wear that.

00:23:49.000 I think their plan was probably okay. Let's get 11 million people in.

00:23:52.000 Let's get them citizenship quickly.

00:23:54.280 And that's 11 million votes for us in November, right?

00:23:57.820 Enough to sway the election.

00:23:59.820 More than enough, yes.

00:24:01.520 Well, there you go.

00:24:02.420 Conservatives are a liberal who's been mugged.

00:24:05.360 Now they're getting the idea what this is really all about.

00:24:08.200 Well, it's going to be hard for her when things really push.

00:24:10.840 Because, I mean, one of the things I've always found with her is she reminds me of our prime minister.

00:24:15.540 She's the queen of word salads and platitudes.

00:24:18.260 Getting a straight answer out of her is nearly impossible.

00:24:22.000 And when people are looking for some strength on solid issues, I don't think they want to hear a long, wispy bunch of platitudes.

00:24:29.380 They want to hear somebody with some stances, and she's not going to be able to provide them.

00:24:34.300 No, not at all. 0.96

00:24:36.680 Just that wicked laugh.

00:24:38.980 Well, you've got to try.

00:24:42.560 It's just going to be such an ugly election, this one.

00:24:44.780 I mean, the other thing that's striking, though, is it's the media stinking these lines, not parties.

00:24:48.760 and, you know, polarized media, there's no middle ground anymore.

00:24:56.060 No, you're either a left-wing media or you're a right-wing media.

00:24:59.440 Yeah, as you say, nothing in the middle.

00:25:00.840 Well, other than Fox News, is there a right-wing,

00:25:03.400 what you would really call a conservative?

00:25:07.820 Not a mainstream type thing, but you've got the Tucker Carlson's

00:25:13.280 and, you know, that are doing their own thing on the Internet,

00:25:15.580 Joe Rogan, you know, and...

00:25:18.300 conservatives are dominating the independent media yeah and they've sure you've got more listeners

00:25:22.300 than cnn or msnbc right so well that that is your conservative media but when we use that

00:25:29.580 expression i think people are thinking of television stations newspapers and really the

00:25:35.260 cnn msnbc abc cbs they are all very much saying the same thing even right down to the words it's

00:25:45.420 It's like a memo goes out in the morning.

00:25:48.140 This is the word for the day, and then they all repeat it.

00:25:51.520 It's kind of like CBC, isn't it?

00:25:53.600 Well, that's another thing right here.

00:25:55.160 As soon as Trump's shock of the assassination attempt had worn off,

00:26:04.380 and it was pretty clear that he was going to be the nominee and he was going to be the candidate,

00:26:10.240 and that polls were indicating that he was going to win just before Kamala.

00:26:18.200 Boy, our media here, the Globe and Mail, the Toronto Star, the CBC,

00:26:26.000 they went beyond reporting into vicious character attacks.

00:26:29.920 I couldn't believe what I was reading.

00:26:33.500 And, you know, Andrew Coyne, for example, writing, I think it was in the Globe and Mail,

00:26:37.600 said, it really will be that bad, believe it.

00:26:41.820 And then he presented his checklist of awful things about Donald Trump,

00:26:45.740 most of which, of course, was that it would be terrible for trade.

00:26:48.600 Well, you know, just this week we had Brian Lee Crowley on

00:26:51.120 and a couple of other columnists who were talking about

00:26:54.700 what really goes on in the Canada-U.S. trade.

00:26:59.300 Not much will change, but the viciousness of it was a surprise to me.

00:27:03.800 And the word now is weird.

00:27:07.600 come up with this if you're if you support trump you're weird and oh and it's all over

00:27:13.200 and uh uh you know pictures of you know it's it's like uh the back in the deplorable days

00:27:21.200 uh and this is the deplorable was the word for that election now this one is weird so jd vance

00:27:27.280 thinks it's a great thing for a man and a woman to get married and have children and he applause

00:27:32.080 it in his catholic alma mater that's weird that's weird pretty weird apparently so but 0.94

00:27:37.280 But having green hair and identifying as a kumquat is perfectly fine. 0.99

00:27:43.240 You're supposed to embrace that. 1.00

00:27:44.560 Not weird at all.

00:27:47.160 Well, let's pivot to where times are stable and normal and things are going quite well. 1.00

00:27:53.220 The Middle East. 0.99

00:27:54.060 The Middle East.

00:27:54.780 Yes.

00:27:55.600 So, I mean, Hezbollah has been lobbing, actually, rockets and missiles into Israel for decades.

00:28:02.080 You know, they have their ups and downs.

00:28:03.740 They're a terrorist group, even if our foreign affairs minister doesn't understand that.

00:28:09.500 They crossed the line in Golan Heights recently.

00:28:11.860 They killed a bunch of children playing soccer.

00:28:14.480 And Israel had quite a retaliation the other day, Dave. 0.89

00:28:19.200 They did.

00:28:19.800 And ironically, it wasn't Jewish kids who were killed. 0.99

00:28:23.440 These were members of the Druze community.

00:28:26.320 But yeah, you don't blow up kids in a soccer field.

00:28:29.000 And Israel vowed massive revenge, and they dropped a bomb on the head of Hezbollah yesterday in Beirut and took him out.

00:28:40.960 I don't think they're finished there. 0.53

00:28:43.400 I think they're just starting, and they will turn southern Lebanon into another Gaza until there's no more threats. 0.91

00:28:51.920 And you'll also remember right after Gaza, they announced all the heads of Hamas, 0.68

00:28:58.040 anybody that had anything to do with it, were dead men walking.

00:29:01.360 And they proved that later on yesterday, early this morning,

00:29:05.240 when they dropped a bomb on the new head of Hamas in Tehran, of all places.

00:29:11.440 You know, just right after the inauguration of the new Iranian president.

00:29:16.180 Utter embarrassment, utter diplomatic slap in the face for Iran. 0.95

00:29:21.100 They're vowing and screaming in the streets, death to the USA, as they always do, and vowing revenge. 0.93

00:29:29.280 Not sure what they can do.

00:29:30.800 The last time they fired a few hundred missiles, Israel shot them all down.

00:29:35.940 You know, it just reminds me of 1972, after the Munich Massacre, when Golda Meir unleashed the wrath of God,

00:29:43.760 and Israel systematically eliminated everybody involved in that terrorist attack,

00:29:49.660 No matter where they were in the world, they didn't care what the world said, they killed them.

00:29:55.920 And that's what's going to happen. 0.83

00:29:57.740 It's been happening with Hamas, and Hezbollah is next on the hit list.

00:30:02.760 And for the sake of the viewers, we may not have checked the main page yet.

00:30:08.060 Dave Makachuk has an excellent piece this morning on that very thing.

00:30:13.420 It makes the relationship between the Munich massacre and these massacres.

00:30:17.920 and points out that really the Mossad has been under some suspicion of being slack.

00:30:24.920 I don't know if anybody ever thought they were that slack.

00:30:28.920 A little slack, you know.

00:30:31.920 In fairness, they did miss the attack.

00:30:34.920 Well, the intelligence had a giant.

00:30:36.920 They have it, yeah.

00:30:37.920 I'm just looking at it as far as when they do their foreign outreach.

00:30:42.920 They're usually pretty good. 0.58

00:30:45.920 I mean, the only ones that might be more terrified to be on the hit list for the Mossad might be, you know, again, Russia, where they love their poisons and things like that.

00:30:54.240 But, I mean, they are a relentless organization. 0.53

00:30:57.100 Israel makes no apologies. 0.94

00:30:59.340 They don't care about the other borders. 0.95

00:31:01.160 When you guys have done this to us, we're going to get to you.

00:31:03.880 The Houthis recently, too, in Yemen, they blew up that fuel depot.

00:31:08.440 Israel, people got to understand.

00:31:10.820 And they don't.

00:31:11.620 I mean, it's been sickening watching some of the coverage of what's going on. 0.53

00:31:14.220 And they won't ask themselves, what do you expect Israel to do?

00:31:20.400 You know, they're cornered. 0.53

00:31:22.240 Where do you want them to go? 1.00

00:31:23.600 They're going to go back to Poland. 0.99

00:31:24.780 They're going to go back to Germany. 0.99

00:31:26.060 This was the homeland. 0.96

00:31:27.180 They went there in 48.

00:31:28.280 They settled. 1.00

00:31:29.280 They beat back those wimpy Arabs when it came to that war. 1.00

00:31:32.020 They beat them again in 68. 1.00

00:31:34.240 They're cornered, though.

00:31:35.520 They've got nothing left.

00:31:36.540 So you're going to constantly attack, constantly attack, and then wag your finger and say, don't you dare defend yourselves.

00:31:41.600 Well, they're going to defend themselves.

00:31:42.860 They're going to do it harshly.

00:31:43.920 well we have that same mentality in our own country if you defend yourself against an intruder

00:31:48.400 in your home you need to do it by the book or you're it's a there is an unfortunate

00:31:56.320 personality characteristic very common in comfortable societies of which ours is one

00:32:02.560 people hate unpleasantness now in the middle east they live with unpleasantness all the time

00:32:08.080 so they're used to it i'm not saying that's a good thing but at least they understand that there's a

00:32:13.840 cause and effect you blow up my kids i'm coming for you in this country in the united states in

00:32:20.800 great britain i don't think people see it quite so clearly they they just don't want any trouble

00:32:26.320 we've had it good we haven't had to live in a community where the air raid sirens go off every

00:32:31.200 you know month or so because somebody's lobbying some well not for about 90 years yeah anyways

00:32:36.640 yeah and you know any other country any other country if a neighboring country was constantly

00:32:42.160 lobbing attacks over the border. Nobody would question that country defending itself. If Canada

00:32:46.660 was launching attacks into Buffalo, New York from Niagara, the Americans wouldn't put up with it

00:32:52.700 for a second. No country's going to do that, except Israel somehow is expected to say, well, just 0.54

00:32:56.080 let it go. They're under siege. They have been for decades. You never know. You're walking around

00:33:03.420 downtown Tel Aviv and a bomb blows up a bus. They've been living with that for forever now.

00:33:10.020 So it's got to be not a great way to live.

00:33:13.060 You've always got to be constantly vigilant.

00:33:16.460 And in the Olympics, I think, what, two days ago was it?

00:33:19.540 The Israeli team takes the floor and the crowd starts chatting. 0.95

00:33:22.980 Hail Hitler. 0.95

00:33:24.600 Yeah, I mean, it's them against the world. 0.92

00:33:27.740 You know, it really is.

00:33:29.460 Well, and they're not apologizing.

00:33:32.020 They'll keep lashing back.

00:33:33.120 So maybe, not that I'm expecting it, but maybe these people who want to see peace

00:33:37.640 should start pressuring the attackers for a change,

00:33:41.300 because Israel's not going to stop defending themselves. 0.93

00:33:43.980 You would think they'd be smart enough to think,

00:33:46.400 okay, well, you know, if we do this, I'm dead.

00:33:49.460 So, you know, perhaps we might, you know,

00:33:51.540 there might be not as many applicants for the job this time around.

00:33:54.280 The leadership roles anyways.

00:33:55.620 And they might think twice about, okay, hey, why don't we launch an attack here? 0.93

00:34:00.340 Because they will know that they will soon be dead. 0.79

00:34:03.600 I guess that's the religious fever that they carry.

00:34:06.840 Well, and then we've got, you know, one of the members of the state broadcaster here, you know, we had a story on that, was basically saying Israel shouldn't have killed that terrorist leader and bemoaning the loss of him, because the world is certainly a much worse place with the lack of how it's named Ismail Hanyan.

00:34:22.480 Yeah, I think the CBC is a guy called Dale Brown. He's based in London as a foreign correspondent. So he would be a top CBC reporter. He tweeted, yeah, he was basically mourning the death of this guy this morning, which, you know, as we wrote in the story, it's just giving Pierre Polyev another excuse to defund the CBC. And he tweeted it about it angrily this morning. He said, you know, defund CBC, eliminate Hamas.

00:34:47.900 I'm not even sure a reporter should be making those kinds of editorial calls. 1.00

00:34:52.900 Absolutely, you're right.

00:34:53.900 You're right.

00:34:54.900 He certainly has let us all know how he approaches that particular situation.

00:34:58.900 Exactly.

00:34:59.900 We will read his reports and listen to his reports with that in mind.

00:35:03.900 Well, yeah, anything that the CBC covers out of the Middle East, you have to look on with skepticism.

00:35:08.900 One thing that's been interesting, at least some common sense out of the Canadian Foreign Affairs Department,

00:35:15.700 It's getting clear, as Dave mentioned. 0.85

00:35:17.700 I mean, Israel's not stopping. 0.99

00:35:19.100 They're going to clean out southern Lebanon. 1.00

00:35:21.420 They've had enough. 1.00

00:35:22.160 It's time to get rid of the threat.

00:35:24.360 Kind of like, you know, the forest fire mitigation.

00:35:26.020 You've got to build a buffer around your place because if you let it build up, it's going to burn you later.

00:35:30.920 There's a whole lot of Canadians at convenience over there. 0.87

00:35:32.940 We discovered that the last time Israel and Lebanon decided to go at it.

00:35:38.460 And it was 50,000 of them. 0.72

00:35:40.120 We ended up shipping and hauling and pulling back.

00:35:42.980 But Canada's Ford Affair is saying, we really recommend you guys get out of there, but we're not going to pay for your freight this time.

00:35:49.440 Like, we're just giving you the warnings.

00:35:50.980 Get out.

00:35:51.800 It's coming.

00:35:52.860 In fairness, they gave the warnings last time.

00:35:55.040 Yeah.

00:35:55.440 And they still got to.

00:35:56.700 You know, they're Canadians of convenience.

00:35:58.560 Yes.

00:35:58.880 Right?

00:35:59.880 And, yeah, they have had enough warnings. 0.99

00:36:02.200 You know, every country in the world has warned their citizens, get out of southern Lebanon. 0.98

00:36:06.400 And if they choose to stay, they, you know, it's on them. 0.97

00:36:10.140 Right?

00:36:10.460 Don't look to us to, I don't think we have a Navy, to put a ship offshore and save you.

00:36:17.420 We just don't have the ability.

00:36:19.600 No.

00:36:19.980 All right.

00:36:20.220 If the Americans launch a big rescue effort, maybe we can, you know, hitchhike.

00:36:24.460 But the Canadian military doesn't have that force.

00:36:27.980 So, yeah, if you're there, you're a Canadian of convenience.

00:36:30.600 You might want to use that status and get to safety.

00:36:33.660 At least, again, they aren't offering the rides for them.

00:36:37.520 So we'll see with, you know, the prioritization of evacuations for people from war zones is a little troublesome for Canada as it is anyways.

00:36:46.060 But we've covered that issue on here already.

00:36:49.980 And I guess, you know, it's not quite related, but it's tied into the whole tensions.

00:36:54.300 I guess we'll turn over to, you know, England, just a terrible situation.

00:36:58.460 And as I said, the powder keg that's going on in Great Britain right now.

00:37:01.400 see ethnic clashes, you know, and it was really triggered by that horrific murder of a bunch of

00:37:08.760 children. Yeah, it took place in Stockport, which is basically a suburb of Liverpool on the

00:37:14.160 northern east coast of England. It was a hot day. The door to the daycare was left open.

00:37:22.240 The kids were inside, happily having a Taylor Swift-themed day when a 17-year-old kid in a

00:37:29.800 black hoodie, came in with a large knife and slaughtered them, killed two little girls,

00:37:37.160 precious little girls instantly. Another one died in hospital the next day. Five other kids are 0.74

00:37:43.580 currently in critical condition, along with two adults, including the teacher, tried to protect

00:37:50.520 the children as adults do. A brave passerby heard the screaming, dashed in, and was able to tackle

00:37:58.400 the man before a kid before more damage was done but it was quickly quickly out on the internet

00:38:04.960 the source of all good good good and untrue information that the kid was a migrant and

00:38:12.240 police said no he's not a migrant he's from cardiff but that didn't stop the mob and they rioted last

00:38:18.480 night and they put 50 cops in the hospital they burned police vehicles they damaged a mosque

00:38:24.640 the same internet is now reporting that the family is the mom came in as a migrant family

00:38:32.440 came in as a migrant and the kid was kid was born here kid was apparently well known to

00:38:36.860 liverpool mental health officials he's obviously mentally ill because nobody does this kind of

00:38:43.380 thing but tensions have been building in england for years now migrants coming in by the hundreds

00:38:49.820 of thousands, daily trips across the English Channel. In the recent election, it caused a

00:38:56.740 rise of the Reform Party, and Niall Farage, who's a right-wing politician who says he will kick them

00:39:05.620 all out. But it's the powder keg, guys, the powder keg, that it doesn't take much to kick off these

00:39:13.100 tensions uh and you know canada now has 500 000 undocumented migrants we don't know where they are

00:39:22.380 we don't know who they are but tensions are building in canada housing crisis homelessness

00:39:29.980 the protests in in places like toronto in support of hamas tensions are building in canada and

00:39:37.580 something needs to be done in my opinion before we get to that level that they are in england

00:39:43.100 Unfortunately, the approach of governments in England

00:39:47.140 and Canada alike tend to be to say, no, nothing to see here.

00:39:53.760 I've just ran off a list of incidents.

00:39:58.220 And do you think you can find, this came off Wikipedia,

00:40:01.340 you know, typed in stabbing incidents, what have you got?

00:40:04.620 Do you think in any case they're identified or just?

00:40:08.540 Because if there was a pattern discovered there,

00:40:11.380 then that's a hard thing for the government to justify

00:40:14.120 or to apologize for.

00:40:15.960 So we're left wondering, is there a pattern?

00:40:19.360 And with the nasty suspicion that there probably is.

00:40:23.260 And then you find out, switching back to Canada

00:40:27.220 very emphatically here now, you find that in the middle

00:40:31.340 of a year in which pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas,

00:40:38.340 let's not beat about the bush no pro hamas protesters are targeting jewish businesses

00:40:47.860 schools residential areas are going into shopping malls to make their point at christmas time

00:40:57.380 upsetting the tranquility of the of the country and all of that is going on with no audible rebuke

00:41:06.740 from the government of canada the government of canada quietly issues another 3 000 visas 0.94

00:41:12.580 for palestinian refugees to come to canada if you are a ghazan resident you probably would want to 0.99

00:41:20.740 get out but what's the plan when you get here are you going to continue as some ethnic minorities 0.99

00:41:28.500 do, the homeland's old fight? I don't know, but it is a risk, and it is a risk that governments 0.86

00:41:37.240 won't even talk about. Well, the government needs to start dealing with the unacceptable

00:41:42.640 protests, attacks, things that are going on, and they've got to quit being cowardly, because

00:41:47.240 that is what's bringing the mobs out, and the mobs are the worst. That is so dangerous,

00:41:52.460 So wrong. I mean, that the mosque that they attacked, I'm sure 95% of the congregation were people who weren't causing any harm.

00:42:01.460 You know, unfortunately, there's a 5% who are, and that could still add up to a lot of dangerous people. 0.64

00:42:06.000 We've got to address the cultural and religious issues so that we do have a more troublesome group than others. 0.97

00:42:12.380 We've got to face some of these things.

00:42:13.720 But if we leave it to the mob to deal with it, that's when you'll hear the stories, too, of the innocent person of color who just stepped out in the street at the wrong time when the pitchforks were going by that suddenly find themselves beat up.

00:42:25.660 That's what a mob does, you know, when you'll see houses attack because people were of the wrong color, even if they had nothing to do with it.

00:42:33.700 But if we keep kicking the can down the road, the vigilantes are going to rise up and it's going to be a much uglier reckoning.

00:42:39.620 And it's not just England. It's Europe. You know, Sweden's having huge migrant problems. Germany's having huge migrant problems. They're all talking about mass deportation. And, you know, just look at the United States below us. They're having huge problems. And Trump is promising the biggest deportation in human history. But you're right. It has to be dealt with. And right now we're not.

00:43:04.820 And it leaves people feeling frustrated.

00:43:06.700 They're afraid.

00:43:07.760 I mean, you know, it was just the other day.

00:43:09.720 A Jewish school was firebombed in Toronto.

00:43:11.980 Firebomb.

00:43:12.600 They tried to burn that whole thing down.

00:43:14.500 This should be making, if I tell you what, there's a double standard. 0.99

00:43:17.660 If that was a mosque, it would be making news. 1.00

00:43:20.700 Oh, Prime Minister.

00:43:22.000 And Toronto police initially blamed it was just a homeless guy sleeping there.

00:43:27.540 Oh, come on, no.

00:43:28.840 Ezra Levant, Rebel News, had, you know, the video.

00:43:32.980 and basically forced Toronto police to do something about it.

00:43:38.560 They were just going to rub it right under the table and say,

00:43:41.960 oh, just a homeless guy walking by.

00:43:43.540 When the Calgary Synagogue was defaced the other day, that upside-down triangle,

00:43:47.700 which for people, if they're wondering, that's the Hamas swastika is what it is. 0.85

00:43:51.160 It's a death to the Jews symbol.

00:43:54.120 We're having this happening in our streets with our communities, with our neighbors.

00:43:57.700 And I hate to say it, but they're neighbors that have been good ones for Canada.

00:44:00.440 You know, we've got the Martha Singer Hall.

00:44:02.420 We got the, you know, Rejectsinger Hall.

00:44:05.040 We got the Martha Cohen Theater.

00:44:06.880 A lot of philanthropists.

00:44:08.020 I haven't found the Palestinian contribution to our area.

00:44:11.340 I'd have to appreciate it. 1.00

00:44:13.460 Do Jewish people have to be philanthropists in order to be acceptable?

00:44:17.320 You know, they shouldn't have to be,

00:44:18.420 but I suspect that's part of why they feel more inclined as well,

00:44:20.880 to visibly contribute to the community.

00:44:23.000 They have a perfect right to be here,

00:44:24.480 whether they founded a theater or played for one.

00:44:27.260 It shows how quickly the community will turn on them anyways,

00:44:29.320 why they feel vulnerable.

00:44:30.180 Well, you know, we've got some terribly hateful practices happening and building in this country.

00:44:37.280 You know, the Nazi salutes at the Olympics, the hate marches with Hamas supporters in every city in the country.

00:44:44.640 And, yes, citizens are going to start getting up and say, well, if the state won't deal with it, I will.

00:44:48.940 But, boy, you know, it's scary to see.

00:44:52.140 Like I said, what happened in England is the powder keg is the right turn.

00:44:56.320 No, it is.

00:44:57.640 And you can see it slowly building in Canada.

00:45:00.180 And if something isn't done, it'll ignite one day.

00:45:04.100 What?

00:45:04.980 You know, there's the tough question, right?

00:45:07.820 It gets down the road a lot of us don't want to talk about.

00:45:10.280 But as you said, patterns, if we start looking at some of these things.

00:45:12.900 I mean, I recently, you know, I got a bunch of people upset with me on X because I put a posting out.

00:45:18.300 Because I found all of the 30-something listed terror organizations by Canada, the ones I actually designated.

00:45:25.860 Something like 80% of them were Islamic.

00:45:27.440 I mean, there's more trouble coming from a particular segment than others, I understand. 0.98

00:45:33.820 There's some Sikh extremists and there's some white nationalist lunatics out there, 0.97

00:45:36.980 but look at the bulk of things. 0.97

00:45:39.220 We've got one area more problematic than the rest.

00:45:43.220 Is it possible to have a discussion on that, though,

00:45:45.240 and figure out how we might be able to mitigate that?

00:45:48.200 Good question.

00:45:49.080 Good question.

00:45:50.540 I don't have the answer.

00:45:51.780 We won't get an answer from this government.

00:45:53.960 Well, it's a terrifying conversation,

00:45:55.200 because you know what comes up as soon as you bring it up every time.

00:45:57.440 you're a racist and then you know save for another show but a religion isn't a race

00:46:04.640 no no i mean islam supposed to be a religion of peace and as you say uh look at all all you know 0.99

00:46:11.040 father and son uh arrested in toronto today as as terrorists and hey guess what they're islamic

00:46:17.680 coincidence just a coincidence ah well figure it out eventually maybe our kids will or our 0.64

00:46:23.840 our grandkids or somebody. For now, we'll try and come up with the answers we can here once a week

00:46:27.840 on the pipeline. And we've run out of time. We haven't hit the magic bullet answer on that one,

00:46:31.840 but maybe next week we'll figure it out. So. Yep. When Derek's back, then. Yes. I can go watch the

00:46:37.720 Olympics. That's right. All right. Well, thank you guys. Go here for that young woman who only

00:46:44.800 swimming gold. 17 years old, was she? 17. Summer McIntosh. Great Canadian story. For everybody out 1.00

00:46:53.120 there you know what i mean don't worry about the opening ceremony as any other stuff taking the

00:46:56.460 olympics take a break from the political stuff the high stress stuff we're here for that we'll cover

00:47:00.520 that but enjoy some of it there's good news stories out there too we just don't find them

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Western Standard - August 01, 2024

Guilbeault fired up over 'successful' forest manaagement

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