Western Standard - November 08, 2026


HANNAFORD： Time's up for disunity

Borrowing for Projects… So Where's the Construction？ Hannaford Warns Conservatives About Walking Away

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00:00:00.000 Good evening, Western Standard viewers, and welcome to Hannaford, a weekly politics show
00:00:20.320 of the Western Standard. It is Thursday, November the 5th. With me today is Erika Baroutes. We call
00:00:27.600 her a Smith surrogate. Certainly, she knows her way around the United 0.96
00:00:31.920 Conservative Party. Good evening, Erica. Good evening. Thank you for having me.
00:00:37.500 It's always a pleasure. Erica, we want to talk about Alberta and Danielle
00:00:41.760 Smith's government, but I couldn't help reflecting on one similarly between the
00:00:47.640 politics here and what's just happened in the US midterms. In both places, you've
00:00:54.580 got a leader who wants to change things. It was never going to be business as usual with Trump.
00:01:01.200 And you know, he closed the southern border. He deported criminal, illegal aliens,
00:01:08.220 ramped up the economy, prepared a million private sector jobs, and pushed back hard against wokeism,
00:01:13.440 men in women's gyms, that sort of thing. But the price of gas was too high, so he lost the midterms.
00:01:19.780 Now, you could say about Premier Smith that she does things that matter long term.
00:01:26.900 She's standing up for Alberta against Ottawa.
00:01:29.100 She's reforming public health.
00:01:30.520 She's building up the Heritage Fund, trying to get a handle on immigration, 0.57
00:01:33.760 keeping men out of the women's locker rooms. 0.53
00:01:36.140 And when 700,000 people asked for a referendum, she gave it to them. 0.98
00:01:41.320 well she's going into what's shaping up to be an ugly annual party annual general meeting in a
00:01:50.200 couple of weeks what do you say she should be judged on well first of all i don't know that
00:01:57.700 two days after uh midterms where you lose the house of representatives and this anyone wants
00:02:02.680 to be compared or contrasted to that or maybe you could trust it to uh president trump but
00:02:09.560 I think what you're talking about is you know leadership style and I definitely think that
00:02:15.160 they're both not they're both um willing to to pick the tough battles for what they believe
00:02:21.000 to to be right so um when it comes to what should she be judged on I think the biggest thing um
00:02:27.520 you know she did I think it needs to shift from the AGM tone and the focus uh I do think you know
00:02:35.420 she's obviously wanting to have a board that supports her at the provincial level. And there's
00:02:40.400 elections on that at the AGM. But I think otherwise, it's like, what is she going to do
00:02:44.800 now? You know, she's kept the commitment, she's given her a lot of red meat to the base and the 0.73
00:02:49.220 party over the last, you know, year or so, or one would argue her entire tenure thus far, 0.99
00:02:56.640 and really needs to focus and shift and be judged on what she's going to do as premier as opposed 0.90
00:03:02.400 to leader of the UCP. So that's what I'll be watching for heading into to the AGM and into
00:03:08.000 2027. You know, Erica, the problem with red meat is that there is an endless appetite for it.
00:03:17.160 You know, some of the things that we're talking about now are things that could have been done,
00:03:22.360 I suppose, when she first came to office in 2022, thinking like pushing ahead on the Alberta Police
00:03:30.240 project for example um what what do you find that the expectations of conservatives in this province
00:03:40.080 to be reasonable ever i think that they're reasonable but when we talk about conservatives
00:03:46.720 i think that's a very very large tent i think there's a fraction of the conservative movement
00:03:51.520 or of the party that will never be satisfied um i mean even this session i look at you're a year
00:03:58.480 out from an election what do you need to signal to you know Albertans on what you're doing and
00:04:05.760 they're introducing still what I would consider a red meat policy around ending DEI. I support it
00:04:11.840 but like is it the right time for that or should that be something that maybe would come after
00:04:18.100 the next election and so I do think that they're still sprinkling in maybe more than the general
00:04:24.020 public it is expecting but i think that she also has set a consistency of delivering continual red
00:04:31.940 meat to the conservative base so she's kind of trying to juggle that and and after a referendum
00:04:37.380 i sit here and i'm kind of like okay you've done what you said you were going to do let's move on
00:04:41.300 and start talking about governing for the best interests of albertans to win an election which
00:04:45.940 is what i'm always focused on and i think that she's still she's still juggling and balancing
00:04:52.260 and maybe this stops after the AGM, but really satisfying that smaller collective of conservatives
00:05:00.180 that I think you're kind of alluding to.
00:05:02.700 Well, that's the thing. The appetite for red meat does continue long after it's been served.
00:05:08.580 So do you think that's a winning play province-wide?
00:05:15.640 People like us, okay, I won't include you, people like me and the people who, you know,
00:05:21.260 come to my house and read my columns, are always looking for something more, some firmer
00:05:28.320 commitment to solid conservative principles, however we define them. Something about the
00:05:35.500 results of the referendum make me think that conservatives aren't always as conservative
00:05:42.160 as the word sounds. Do you think she has to moderate her tone a little to get the elderly 0.83
00:05:50.920 people who are living in fear of running out of RRSPs and losing the value in their house,
00:05:59.240 the fearful ones? What do you say? I don't think you ever need to veer away from your
00:06:04.200 conservative values. I mean, it's a conservative party. I think the difference is maybe you're
00:06:08.400 talking about more of the contentious wedge social issues around conservatism, where I look
00:06:16.280 and where I challenge this government to continually strive, and sometimes I'm disappointed
00:06:21.180 and sometimes I'm thrilled, is on things like fiscal prudency. I mean, the government in my
00:06:25.960 mind is still too large. I think that there's need to explore more tax relief. I think that
00:06:33.580 so when we're looking at small government, fiscal prudency, free enterprise, you know,
00:06:39.280 working for letting business run the economy and kind of government staying out of the way
00:06:45.640 on a lot of that. So I do think that there's room for them to shift on what part of conservatism
00:06:53.320 they're focused on and, you know, still tie into the traditional values and priorities. And I think
00:06:59.360 that they just have to do it right. Something like the immigration, they got a, you know, one of four 1.00
00:07:04.720 were supporting some reforms or more provincial autonomy in immigration, but I think that they
00:07:10.800 need to do this right. And I wouldn't hope that they would all of a sudden be announcing what
00:07:15.620 they're going to do at the AGM, I don't think that's enough time. So I do think that there's
00:07:20.960 lots between now and the next election that they can do to continue to appease conservatives. But
00:07:26.600 I think at the end of the day, and where we're seeing even federally, the conversation is like,
00:07:30.540 what is it in? What's in it for me? Why am I supporting you? Why do I believe in you? And
00:07:35.300 how are you making my life easier? You know, when I think of conservative values, it's like,
00:07:39.080 get the hell out of my house. Let me be and and you go be doing government stuff, but don't
00:07:45.460 interfere in my freedoms and my autonomy. And so I hope that they focus more on that in the next
00:07:52.340 year, because I think that also appeals to a broader population of Albertans than just
00:07:58.460 true blue conservatives. You see, Erica, that really appeals to me. And I can imagine a lot
00:08:06.220 of people would be nodding in vigorous agreement with you right up to the point that they say,
00:08:14.700 well, while we're doing that, can you also make sure that you put more money into health care
00:08:22.500 because I'm going to need an operation and I don't want to wait for it.
00:08:25.420 And by the way, my grandchildren are starting school next year
00:08:30.060 and there's a class size of 40, 30, and they're all from small government
00:08:36.620 right up until the point when they are affected by what government does.
00:08:42.020 do you think we've got a few fair-weather friends who aren't prepared to back her up when the going
00:08:47.740 gets tough? Absolutely you know what I would say that's the biggest criticism of conservatives or
00:08:53.020 fiscally prudent individuals in Alberta is that for a long time we didn't have to be truly tight
00:08:59.120 in your belt conservative because we had the money to be able to invest in the infrastructure
00:09:03.940 over invest if need be without compromising balancing a budget and so I do think I mean
00:09:11.660 this government is spending more on healthcare and education than ever before. So I don't know
00:09:16.660 how people can criticize it. However, I think what we're really going to see the public scrutinize
00:09:22.860 is did the healthcare reforms work? And there's been three years at this point of being able to
00:09:31.980 put that into motion. And I think people are going to be looking at it like, did it get me a family
00:09:36.920 doctor? Did it get me my surgery faster? And maybe the answer is no. And that's something
00:09:43.360 that this government will need to combat. But that doesn't mean you have criticism of them,
00:09:48.660 like four pillars to address that or more bureaucrats higher than ever before. I don't
00:09:54.060 think that that's solving the problem as much as did we recruit the right amount and train the
00:09:59.060 right amount? And do we create a talent pipeline of the individuals that we need? And that's,
00:10:05.180 I think, where people will be critical. But the alternative is, well, what is the NDP going to do?
00:10:11.260 And I think that's something that conservatives need to be conscious of heading into the next
00:10:15.200 election is like, you might not always be happy that your surgery's sped up as much as you'd like,
00:10:22.920 but the alternative is significant deficit dumping into a system reverting back to AHS
00:10:29.860 and the dumpster fire in which that was and so I think it's also a reflection period for Albertans
00:10:37.520 on is the grass greener or is the grass yellow on the other side or in this case orange and it's not
00:10:43.700 going to actually move the needle to what we we want it to be or what we want our province to look
00:10:48.560 like so I think when we actually judge the performance of the government on health we need
00:10:54.120 to take into account that there are today half a million more people living in Alberta than there
00:10:58.900 were when Premier Smith came to office in 2022. That's something like a growth of, what, 15%,
00:11:09.100 16%, 17%? Has the health budget gone up 17%? If it has, did it need to? How much can the
00:11:21.160 Smith government turn around and say, well, look, we're doing our best, but people keep coming here
00:11:25.260 and it costs money so i don't know and i'm not an economist if 16 increase equals 16 need to
00:11:34.080 increase in the health care system i believe actually there's more reforms that could happen
00:11:38.500 in order to streamline care to expand scope for multiple health providers to be able to make it
00:11:46.600 so you don't have to see seven people and go into multiple wait lists as opposed to being able to
00:11:52.640 have a clear pathway through our healthcare system um and that's what i mean by small government too
00:11:58.000 is like getting the red tape out of the way getting the infant like you know the numerous
00:12:02.880 bodies that you have to visit or regulators um that you have and hoops you have to jump through
00:12:09.120 and so i do think that it is going to be tricky for them and and what is that number i think
00:12:15.040 anyone that says that they know what that number truly would be uh i think is just giving false
00:12:20.560 hope because I don't think throwing money, regardless the amount at the problem, is going
00:12:26.160 to be the true solution. And so this is something that they're going to have to navigate. I think
00:12:32.060 they're out of the challenges with education. I think that, you know, with last year's teacher
00:12:41.960 strike and classroom sizes and a lot of the commitments and infrastructure that they've
00:12:47.660 committed to. I think that there's a lot of people that understand that and can kind of appreciate
00:12:53.720 what's still happening or will happen in the classroom. But I do think that they're going
00:12:58.600 to be heavily judged, like you said, on health care. And I honestly would love to know what the
00:13:04.680 NDP would plan that's an alternative that could actually give KPIs, because right now they just
00:13:10.700 complain that it's not enough money. And to me, that's not a just solution.
00:13:14.740 No. Well, no. I mean, when it's the NDP and they're saying it's not enough money,
00:13:19.780 that is the only answer they have for most things. It usually translates into more union members
00:13:26.180 paying more fees and earning higher wages. So people don't become twice as good as what they're
00:13:31.060 doing if you pay them twice as much money. That's the big problem with the NDP approach. But it does,
00:13:37.780 you know, we have had three and a half years and she's managed to part out the
00:13:43.060 You had some lovely phrase for the Alberta Health Service,
00:13:46.920 but, you know, it was a large and unresponsive bureaucracy.
00:13:51.720 It is now responsive, but there still seems to be a delay
00:13:58.140 in getting relatively simple treatments,
00:14:01.160 and so many people are just looking for a solution.
00:14:05.660 Is it just institutional blockage that we're fighting here,
00:14:09.860 or are there some, this is the last question on health,
00:14:13.660 but are there some vested interests that are just fighting with all their might
00:14:18.620 to make sure that nothing changes so that their personal interests are not skewered?
00:14:26.280 Well, I definitely think that there's been such a big desire for culture change
00:14:30.280 within what was the AHS model going to for different care providers
00:14:36.840 and NHS being an operator now, that there are a lot of people that felt that that was wrong
00:14:43.620 and they're sticking their heels in and not making it any easier. But the government's still been
00:14:49.400 able to go through and get a doctor's deal done. There was an announcement recently about
00:14:55.400 recruiting more surgeons. Now, I don't know if the surgeon backlog is what's going to alleviate
00:15:01.660 surgery times or if it's physical space. You mentioned, you know, the kind of red herring
00:15:09.160 situation that is the premier having a catastrophic increase in population come to Alberta. And so
00:15:16.900 she's got challenges there that I don't think people will ever be able to equate to empathy
00:15:22.640 or sympathy for not getting their own access. And like I said, I don't think it's appropriate
00:15:29.040 to rush what immigration looks like in hopes that that could potentially address wait times or
00:15:36.460 access to care or public dollars going towards health care and education. And so there's some
00:15:42.500 things that they're just going to have to live with and have to be prepared to defend going into
00:15:49.420 the next election and have, you know, proof points as much as they can. But there are some things that
00:15:56.080 they just didn't get fully accomplished which they have to continue then tell that vision and
00:16:02.140 that story and kind of ignore the people that are still within the system digging their their heels
00:16:07.740 in because that's always going to be the case when you have robust change there's going to be people
00:16:12.320 that are constantly trying to validate that they were right and this change was not needed
00:16:16.600 erica let's talk about the upcoming convention party chairman bob smith says there will be no
00:16:24.060 leadership review before the election next year but with several factions you know sore losers
00:16:30.100 separatists people who thought the referendum should never have been held and so on the upcoming 0.97
00:16:36.240 AGM still isn't going to be a cakewalk for her where do you see trouble coming from for Premier
00:16:43.380 Smith well if I was just looking at what I would deem success coming out if I was the Premier or
00:16:50.300 leader of the party, I think I've said it earlier, but is that you have a board that's willing to
00:16:55.020 work with you. I mean, who you're leading to, Rob Smith is the president of the party. He is
00:17:03.900 the chair of the operational and governance side of the party. And so I think he's been a great
00:17:14.540 example of what not to do or how to overstep your authority in that role. And I can say that
00:17:20.620 because I was the founding president and I know what the role is through and through. And so I do
00:17:26.180 think he is right on this one though, because, but coming back to what I was going to say is that he
00:17:31.380 does, she does need to have a provincial board that is looking out for the members, but also
00:17:37.580 is supporting the leader. And I know that the last few AGMs have been a little bit rocky getting
00:17:42.900 there. And so that to me would be success is that she comes out with a strong united board
00:17:50.160 that doesn't have people that are trying to shake the agenda, because especially going into an AGM
00:17:56.540 and nominations where, you know, there's the board is the appeal process or the appeal board
00:18:04.440 that can just cause a lot of hiccups on some administrative stuff that you wouldn't want to.
00:18:09.260 So I think that's her biggest. I don't know. I looked at the policies. I don't know that I think anything specific is coming out that could be contentious, that they'll have to talk about or that would be the mainstream news of the day.
00:18:21.280 And I don't think we'll see what we saw last year with Jeff Rathwell, obviously not him because he's not welcome there anymore, but anyone of that fraction standing up at the microphone and kind of bombarding.
00:18:33.600 I think if they are, they will be removed because it's not proper protocol.
00:18:38.900 Whereas I think last year they would have let more slide just because of the shaky grounds that I think that AGM was operating off of.
00:18:47.100 Yeah, that was a memorable moment.
00:18:51.480 It seems to me that the Premier's strategy going forward is to take the result of the referendum as an endorsement of her policy.
00:19:00.620 Certainly she immediately framed it as a clear mandate
00:19:04.040 there would be no further separation referendum 0.84
00:19:06.440 while she is premier.
00:19:10.520 And so the pursuit of the approved immigration measures
00:19:16.520 with caution on closer margins
00:19:18.660 and a call to move forward as a strong and free Alberta
00:19:22.400 within a united Canada.
00:19:25.260 I like the sound of that,
00:19:26.680 But isn't that where we were three years ago?
00:19:30.600 Strong and free Alberta within the United Canada,
00:19:33.920 followed by the Sovereignty Act and a number of very strong statements
00:19:36.900 about the federal government staying out of provincial jurisdiction.
00:19:42.460 Stay in your own lane.
00:19:43.480 We were all repeating that phrase for a while.
00:19:47.660 Have we actually moved ahead in this file in three years?
00:19:52.400 Well, yes and no.
00:19:54.680 i think that you know when premier smith was running for leadership and there was a sovereignty
00:19:59.560 act that has changed significantly since she was running for leader and what that looks like i mean
00:20:04.360 i think it was to some soften down from what her platform looked like in the ucp leadership race in
00:20:11.880 2023 uh or 2022 pardon um and it's become kind of more of a and it shifted with the same intention
00:20:22.040 of always standing up for Alberta.
00:20:24.620 I believe that they don't usually use the freedom as much.
00:20:27.920 It's just a strong Alberta within a united Canada.
00:20:30.080 And I think that that should always be the case.
00:20:32.620 So I don't know that we can equate a tagline to are we in the same place?
00:20:37.860 Because I think forever we as Albertans will continue to push back for our more autonomy,
00:20:44.760 more freedom, more strength in our economy, allowing us to be, you know, the bread and
00:20:51.760 butter of the country that we have always been. And so I don't think we needed a 180 change of
00:20:58.920 tone, but they have made good progress. I mean, I'm shocked every day that I think of Premier
00:21:04.640 Smith and Mark Carney having conversations that are constructive and where he is, you know,
00:21:10.340 actually truly listening because we have been conditioned to think that Ottawa hates us
00:21:16.500 And that they'll actively work against us like we saw with Justin Trudeau. And so I'm maybe less of a Kearney fan than I think a lot of other conservatives across maybe the country or even in Alberta are.
00:21:30.840 I think that there's still a bait and switch coming, but I do think that Premier Smith with
00:21:37.300 her actions in the referendum, her actions of how she would not put the energy sector on the table
00:21:44.640 for tariff negotiations and other things like that, she's really actually pushed appropriately
00:21:50.260 on the federal government and they've responded accordingly. I don't think she gets the credit
00:21:54.700 that she deserves for that. I think a lot of people are equating it just solely to Mark Carney
00:21:58.760 and we see that in premier smith taking a dip in her numbers um and mark carney doing well in
00:22:04.440 alberta uh the liberals doing well for the first time in decades in alberta and so yeah go ahead
00:22:11.080 i want to read you what one person wrote to me personally and and tell me how we need to respond
00:22:19.560 to this point of view uh he writes that the fractures in the party make some interesting
00:22:24.600 comparison i wonder how you would think the premier would respond to this he writes the
00:22:29.600 party seems fractured and so many people i know are not happy the ratios are interestingly and
00:22:37.280 remarkably consistent about one quarter voted for independence about one quarter did not take the
00:22:46.300 covid vaccine and about one quarter of albertans own firearms that are affected by the liberal gun
00:22:53.300 bans, etc. Put it another way, about three-quarters of the population in Alberta listen to mainstream
00:23:01.700 media, believe the narrative, believe in the liberal vision for Canada, the CBC, and so on,
00:23:08.720 and they're still hanging on to the old system that served them so well, especially those people
00:23:15.720 over 60. But I believe, my writer says, that if you poll the separatists, more than half would say
00:23:23.640 that they never took the vaccine, and many would have lost their jobs during COVID or were
00:23:30.200 harmed in some way, shape, or form. And while I understand that nobody wants to talk about this,
00:23:37.680 I believe it's a primary reason why many wish to separate as it remains an unheralded
00:23:45.180 festering wound, but nobody wants to acknowledge as an issue.
00:23:49.740 Instead, the talk is all about pipelines and equalization, which, while important, I believe are secondary to the lockdowns,
00:23:58.440 mandates,
00:23:59.440 firearms, and wokeism,
00:24:01.440 Marxism, and so on.
00:24:04.020 What do you say
00:24:06.340 when so much of that seems intuitively plausible?
00:24:12.500 Yeah, I mean, I think that they're completely entitled to their opinion.
00:24:15.960 I haven't really looked at it that way.
00:24:18.640 And I would say I check some of those boxes that he listed.
00:24:22.280 I don't check some of them.
00:24:23.440 So I don't think we can lump the entire group.
00:24:26.180 I think there's also people you have to remember that it was option two.
00:24:29.040 You were voting to have the conversation on independence or separation.
00:24:32.960 you weren't necessarily saying that you support it. And I think that of that 25, 26%, there's a
00:24:40.000 few percentage points of people that, you know, we're more of the, I want to keep holding Ottawa's
00:24:45.620 feet to the fire, um, in getting a fair deal. And I think that in that fair deal, a lot of people
00:24:53.100 would look beyond COVID. Um, and the reason I say that is because you can't go back and fix it,
00:24:59.800 and you can only learn from it so when the next pandemic happens I think that's where
00:25:04.960 there's going to be a lot more skepticism and and push to reverse action of what we what we saw
00:25:11.580 but I don't know that I think that that would equate to the numbers maybe the writer is
00:25:17.920 attributing to it rather that it is a soft like a a position that many people still feel
00:25:25.540 is close to their hearts because it impacted them so directly, and they're still carrying that,
00:25:30.560 and that's totally fair. I do also think that when we watched Premier Smith during her leadership
00:25:36.840 run, she was speaking of those issues. She was speaking about giving a voice to those that
00:25:42.380 didn't feel that they had a voice. She brought lots of people into the UCP tent or the conservative
00:25:48.600 tent um that felt that way and were angry at the federal government for that piece of their freedom
00:25:57.160 um but i think it's evolved beyond that and more towards um the other pieces that he the writer
00:26:04.200 mentions in that is about pipelines and equalization and and we're now here to stay
00:26:09.480 let's fight for what we can and i mean this government has done a lot to combat uh wokeism
00:26:15.560 DEI you know get freedom of speech back in universities and classrooms and you know not
00:26:22.040 having any flags besides Alberta and Canada within our school system you know I think that there's a
00:26:30.200 lot of curriculum reform like there's a lot that they've done to I think combat a lot of the
00:26:35.960 narrative that we were all very very sick of during the same time as COVID. See now Erica everybody's
00:26:42.440 he's going to say, what kind of people does Nigel Hannaford hang out with?
00:26:45.180 Well, there, that's, look.
00:26:47.120 No, but I do think, I think his point, this writer's point is fair
00:26:50.680 because Daniel Smith did recruit people that were never involved in politics before
00:26:55.020 and it was motivated around their discontent with how their freedoms were impacted during COVID.
00:27:01.560 And so those members are still members of the party
00:27:03.540 and many of them, I'm sure, because they were impacted by jobs
00:27:07.240 and their careers had to change and they couldn't provide for their families
00:27:09.940 as a result of not taking a vaccine.
00:27:12.440 is going to live with them forever.
00:27:15.100 And so I think that they're fair to have those feelings.
00:27:18.380 I just don't know that I would compare and contrast the numbers of individuals on independence to that.
00:27:26.620 And just knowing who I know supported option too, I don't think that was their reason why.
00:27:32.300 Okay.
00:27:33.120 Certainly, you know, as an older man, I remember a time when the consensus was that freedom mattered.
00:27:38.160 and I don't see that consensus so popularly reflected in the politics of today.
00:27:45.080 A lot of people are prepared to give the government more than it deserves.
00:27:47.920 I'm going to give you the last word, though, Erica.
00:27:49.920 One thing Alberta Conservatives all agree upon is that they don't want an NDP government,
00:27:55.060 yet if they don't get it together, that's what they're going to get.
00:27:58.380 What's the matter with Alberta Conservatives,
00:28:01.060 and how can the Premier get those people back on her side
00:28:05.720 who are presently condemning her from both from all directions yeah i think yeah i would say
00:28:12.580 focus on what unites us and brings us together i mean a prime example is look what happened in bc
00:28:18.500 less than a month ago uh we saw fracture more than what i think we see here on the conservative
00:28:25.480 movement i mean there wasn't even really a movement it was just like a spray and pray
00:28:29.360 of people that identify as conservatives and they got together and they all came in line behind the
00:28:36.240 bc conservative party and now they are government um they were going up against an individual who
00:28:42.420 called an election so usually you're in an advantage advantageous position if you're going
00:28:47.380 to do that um in premier evie and they were able to unite the right stand up for what they believe
00:28:55.800 in as core values so it's not going to be everything for everyone and people need to accept
00:29:00.520 that um the the option two was not was defeated significantly by a majority and i think we need
00:29:09.160 to move on from that and that we really need to focus on if we're not together we're splitting
00:29:15.960 a vote and this is what we get we're not you know do we really want an ndp government to
00:29:22.120 based on the one or two issues that are sticking for us within our own movement i think that we
00:29:27.960 need to move past that and come together erica baroutes thank you for being with us this afternoon
00:29:34.840 you always shine light in dark places god bless you you're very welcome for the western standard
00:29:42.600 I'm Nigel Hannaford.