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00:00:00.000 Good evening, Western Standard viewers, and welcome to Hannaford, a weekly politics show.

00:00:21.840 I'm Jen Hodson, filling in for Nigel Hannaford while he's away on holiday.

00:00:26.280 It's Thursday, July 10th, 2025, and my guest today is Frances Widdowson, political analyst and wrongfully terminated professor at Mount Royal University.

00:00:38.560 More on that during this interview.

00:00:41.120 Frances and her team released a documentary called What Remains, where they went to Kamloops, where 215 bodies were alleged to be found.

00:00:50.380 However, to this day, no bodies have been found and no remains reported to be excavated.

00:00:58.500 Frances has been on a relentless pursuit of truth about what happened in Kamloops and has experienced one closed door after another.

00:01:06.720 Today, she will recount her investigation to date so Canadians can decide for themselves what really happened in Kamloops and with all of these alleged remains of children from Indigenous schools from the last century or more.

00:01:23.280 So, Frances, thank you for joining us today in the studio.

00:01:26.740 Thank you for having me on.

00:01:27.560 My great pleasure.

00:01:29.340 So, let's just go back to the beginning and talk about what inspired you to go on this journey of investigating what actually did happen in Kamloops.

00:01:40.760 We know that allegations came out from mainstream media, which the Trudeau Liberals at the time, they jumped on this.

00:01:49.960 Federal flags, Canadian flags were raised to half mass that summer.

00:01:54.620 For several months, Justin Trudeau made a public outcry about it.

00:02:00.780 The Pope came and made a formal apology.

00:02:03.940 So, what is it that struck you that something wasn't right?

00:02:08.320 And tell us how you got started.

00:02:11.920 Yes.

00:02:12.180 So, when I was a professor at Mount Royal University, one of the reasons why I got pushed out of Mount Royal was because of my stance on the residential schools and my opposition to the argument that the residential schools were genocidal.

00:02:27.680 So, I was busy criticizing this position, which had become official policy at Mount Royal University.

00:02:34.780 The general faculty's council had voted to declare that the residential schools were genocidal.

00:02:42.420 I was very opposed to this.

00:02:44.000 So, I had been studying this for quite some time since the release of the Truth and Reconciliation Report.

00:02:50.000 So, when the announcement was made, because of my awareness of the kinds of fabrications that often were going on with respect to this issue, I was a bit skeptical about this announcement.

00:03:03.700 And I wasn't sure what to think of it.

00:03:07.240 I thought perhaps it was an abandoned cemetery.

00:03:10.540 That's often the case, that there are many cemeteries in Canada where the grave markers have deteriorated.

00:03:17.860 And you see these, in fact, on Aboriginal reserves.

00:03:21.280 And in the case of the Kamloops Reserve, there is a cemetery on that reserve and many of the markers are no longer there.

00:03:30.400 So, I held an event with Brian Giesbrecht and Rod Clifton and Paul Viminitz in, I believe it was July 10th, 2021.

00:03:42.120 Right at the beginning.

00:03:42.760 Yes, called, Can We Discuss Those Unmarked Graves?

00:03:46.840 And, you know, the answer was, well, we're discussing them right now, but you do so at your peril because you will be attacked and you'll be told that you're a racist and you are a person who doesn't care about Aboriginal people.

00:04:01.680 And that was the kind of thing that was happening until I eventually was pushed out of Mount Royal University.

00:04:07.720 So, I've been fighting for the truth with respect to Aboriginal policy and other issues, which would be characterized as woke, which is identity politics that has become totalitarian. 0.87

00:04:22.520 And with respect to this issue, we are now four years in and the time is now.

00:04:29.040 $12.1 million have been allocated to do the excavations at Kamloops.

00:04:35.060 Many people think that the excavations have been done, but they have not.

00:04:40.240 And we do not have one parent who has said that their child never came home from the Kamloops Indian Residential School.

00:04:47.140 So, if there are remains in that apple orchard, who would those remains belong to?

00:04:54.800 Who would the people who have been murdered or some kind of foul play that has gone on, that has resulted in those remains being there?

00:05:02.100 Because there is a cemetery on the Kamloops Reserve, so any remains that would be in that apple orchard would be clandestine burials.

00:05:11.440 And we need to find out if there are actually people buried in that apple orchard.

00:05:18.360 Now, so these claims were made early on by first Indigenous groups, picked up by media, picked up by politicians, until it became like a whole machine that became dangerous to speak out against.

00:05:36.240 So, your job was threatened, and you've had all kinds of different experiences of resistance around this.

00:05:44.440 So, maybe my question is two-faceted.

00:05:48.040 So, at what point did it become this claim that couldn't be refuted, and what is it that continues to drive it?

00:05:58.740 And what do you think it is that sets you apart from so many other people that just go along with what they have heard,

00:06:06.780 that, you know, your receptacles went up and you realize that something's not right here.

00:06:12.360 There's some lie going on.

00:06:15.960 So, how do you interpret that system that you're up against?

00:06:20.260 Well, I think it's always been very difficult to challenge the claims that are being made by what would be called the Aboriginal industry

00:06:28.820 and the associated neotribal elites who are the Aboriginal leaders that are associated with the Aboriginal industry.

00:06:35.620 But it became much, much worse in 2020.

00:06:41.600 That's when we saw the real sort of authoritarian push start to, you know, take hold in universities,

00:06:49.000 beginning with the George Floyd situation.

00:06:55.320 And then, of course, COVID made things much more difficult in terms of people not being present in person.

00:07:03.200 And the Denmark Graves kind of claims really followed on that.

00:07:11.020 And so, what you would find is that there was arguments being made, and they still are being made,

00:07:17.120 by people like Leah Gazan, that if you criticize the stories that are being put forth by what's called residential school survivors,

00:07:28.060 and even that language is very loaded, you should be charged, you should be criminally charged,

00:07:35.420 and receive up to two years in prison for making, you know, counterclaims and demanding evidence.

00:07:46.740 Yeah, even questioning.

00:07:48.260 Asking questions.

00:07:49.460 And Leah Gazan, when she gave a talk in Pell River, which is, you know, the What Remains documentary is looking at how the Kamloops claim played out in Pell River.

00:08:00.740 She said that she could think of nothing more violent than a person who was a residential school student saying,

00:08:11.320 this is what they think happened, and you would tell them that you disagreed with them and did not think that what they were claiming was true.

00:08:18.540 She said that that was the most violent thing that she could even imagine, which is shocking,

00:08:25.180 because, of course, we know of many, many terribly violent acts that have happened in human history,

00:08:32.440 the Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide, the death squads in Latin America, all sorts of wars,

00:08:39.800 and for someone like Leah Gazan, who's a member of Parliament, to be making this kind of claim is just absolutely absurd.

00:08:46.380 Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

00:08:48.540 To enshrine it into law, that you can't ask questions about something.

00:08:53.300 And it just makes one wonder, where is this coming from, and what is the motive?

00:08:58.600 Is it based off of some kind of faux compassion?

00:09:02.640 Mm-hmm.

00:09:03.040 Or is it something more sinister?

00:09:05.360 You know, some people might say, well, follow the money.

00:09:07.560 And so Indigenous groups have been allocated, I think you said $12.1 million, to perform these evacuations,

00:09:18.720 but yet very few excavations have been done, and nothing has been found.

00:09:29.060 So wouldn't it serve the case of those that are perpetuating this unmarked graves claim that they could actually find some remains?

00:09:37.660 So why aren't we seeing more work being done about that?

00:09:41.020 Yes. So there's been massive amounts of funds that have been distributed.

00:09:45.340 I believe it was $320 million for across Canada for groups to pursue trying to find what they call missing children.

00:09:57.020 And Kimberly Murray, who's a special interlocutor, who, again, millions of dollars spent to have her be, you know, investigating this matter.

00:10:07.540 She said in 2023, in a committee meeting, that there are no missing children, that the children are in cemeteries.

00:10:18.320 So what you have is you have children in cemeteries where people don't exactly know where in that cemetery that child was buried.

00:10:29.100 That's the issue.

00:10:30.780 And it could be because the grave markers have disappeared.

00:10:33.840 It could be because the record keeping wasn't as accurate as we would like.

00:10:38.740 But that's a completely different scenario than saying that children were murdered and they just went missing,

00:10:45.280 and we have no idea what happened to those children, you know.

00:10:49.280 So I think that's a big confusion that is happening with respect to this issue.

00:10:54.320 But because of the money that's involved, obviously, if it's found that in the case of Kamloops, there are no remains there,

00:11:05.900 it's going to open up to question all the other kinds of ground-penetrating radar searches that have been happening across the country.

00:11:15.800 As well, there was a whole bunch of lawsuits that got fast-tracked because of the Kamloops claim.

00:11:22.280 In Pal River, which is what remains was investigating the fallout, the impact, in that case,

00:11:30.800 there's a demand that the name of Pal River be changed because of the Kamloops case.

00:11:36.980 The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People, the federal legislation got fast-tracked because of the Kamloops case.

00:11:45.860 So there's all sorts of Aboriginal industry initiatives that people were sort of resisting and were not, you know,

00:11:54.540 were questioning whether they should go ahead.

00:11:56.740 When the Kamloops claim was announced, that just pushed aside all opposition,

00:12:03.060 and now we have a completely different, you know, policy regime with respect to Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal relations,

00:12:10.080 which is going to have massive consequences for Canada as a country.

00:12:14.960 Wow, that's fascinating.

00:12:17.480 And so before we get any further into the issue, why don't we talk about this documentary, What Remains?

00:12:23.840 So you went to Kamloops, you were at Thompson Rivers University there.

00:12:29.580 Why don't you tell us about your experience?

00:12:31.540 Our viewers might be interested to know a little background about the documentary before they check it out,

00:12:36.280 and we will link beneath this video so people can easily access that documentary.

00:12:42.600 So why don't you give us some background?

00:12:44.180 What Remains is sort of the first installment of probably it's going to be a series.

00:12:49.940 So What Remains was looking at the case of Powell River.

00:12:53.580 So what happened is that the Kamloops announcement was made in May 2021.

00:13:00.840 Immediately there was a demand that the name of Powell River be changed and a lot of other kinds of initiatives were pushed through.

00:13:07.420 So what happened is that Simon Haregott, who's the incredible videographer who did the videography for What Remains,

00:13:16.540 he and I traveled to Powell River and we just covered a talk that I gave about the Kamloops case and the lack of evidence for the claim that the remains of 215 children have been found.

00:13:30.660 And also did interviews in Powell River and looked at things like this sign that they have the Tlaman Nation, which is the Aboriginal group.

00:13:42.640 There has this sign which says 10,068.

00:13:46.200 So we were investigating what this meant, this number 10,068.

00:13:52.140 We also went and because the newspaper of Powell River, which is called The Peak, the publisher of that newspaper, Kelly Keel, refused to carry the advertisement for the talk that I was going to be giving in Powell River,

00:14:08.960 but had actually done a, you know, sort of an overview of the talk that Leah Gazan gave in January.

00:14:18.160 And when Kelly Keel was asked to explain the difference, she said that the book Grave Error, which the talk was going to be relating to, was full of misinformation.

00:14:28.920 And her paper did not, you know, give an audience, they would not give credence to all this misinformation that would be provided in the talk that I was giving, which is completely factually based.

00:14:41.620 So he went to The Peak and tried to ask questions about that.

00:14:44.320 So there's a lot of kinds of episodes where we're going around trying to, you know, investigate what happened in Powell River.

00:14:50.860 So what remains is the first installment.

00:14:54.140 And then in May of this year, which is 2025, Simon, who's from Kamloops and actually was a journalist who got fired from Global News for sort of resisting the kinds of propagandistic coverage that was occurring.

00:15:11.880 He's been very interested in the Kamloops case and thought that it didn't make sense at the time, the claim,

00:15:18.160 but his employer was not interested whatsoever in having a critical view on this.

00:15:23.600 We went to a number of different areas in Kamloops to try to develop a fuller picture of why there was this massive institutional failure that happened with respect to the perpetuation of this deception.

00:15:40.500 Because I really do see it was a deception.

00:15:44.140 It just is seeming more and more that it wasn't just an accident that these claims were being made,

00:15:50.620 that in fact there was an orchestrated effort to try to deceive the Canadian public.

00:15:57.260 And so one of the most fascinating things that happened was because Thompson Rivers University, which is the university in Kamloops,

00:16:08.420 has been actively involved in perpetuating this falsehood.

00:16:13.060 In fact, as recently as 2024, so that's not that long ago, we've known since July 2021 that there were no remains found.

00:16:22.840 It was at the presentation by Sarah Bollier where she actually stated this.

00:16:28.680 But Thompson Rivers University has continued to say that children's bodies have been found at Kamloops.

00:16:36.860 So we decided on the anniversary to go into Thompson Rivers University and do a Spectrum Street epistemology session on the claim

00:16:45.580 the remains of 215 children have been found.

00:16:48.820 And when we went into that university, we were met by four members of the safety division who told us that because we were on the house of the to-come-whoops,

00:17:01.420 that we should not be having this discussion take place at Thompson Rivers University.

00:17:07.020 And we said to them, well, we're staying.

00:17:10.420 You have been perpetuating this information.

00:17:12.700 Your president has been doing it.

00:17:14.200 And we, it is in the public interest that this discussion takes place.

00:17:18.760 So you do what you have to do, but we're going to stay here and we're going to do this event.

00:17:23.960 And they just disappeared.

00:17:25.640 Wow.

00:17:26.240 These administrators.

00:17:27.540 So their attempt to stifle this information, actually, it works against them in the long run because, and this goes back to, I'm, and I'll ask you in a moment about tours that you've done in the East, in Ontario,

00:17:40.740 and also about what happened at Mount Royal University, where you were employed, I believe, with tenure?

00:17:48.000 Yes.

00:17:48.760 Wow.

00:17:49.660 So, so why don't you tell us a little bit about your experience going and doing these speaking tours,

00:17:56.760 raising awareness about the fact that actually no remains have been found,

00:18:01.740 and the stifling of your, your speech and your pursuit for truth at Mount Royal.

00:18:08.520 And maybe then we can get into a bit more of an analysis on what is going on here with this stifling of speech.

00:18:16.500 Like, what is this systematic machine that, you know, apparently driven by the woke left in order to have their say?

00:18:27.360 And this, of course, pours out into other issues like the trans issues and all kinds of different facets in our society.

00:18:37.260 So maybe you can elaborate on that a little bit more for context for our viewers.

00:18:41.180 Yes.

00:18:41.580 So wokeism, which is what has sort of taken hold in many universities in Canada, which is identity politics that has become totalitarian.

00:18:51.340 So it's not really associated with what would have traditionally have been considered to be the left,

00:18:57.980 which is like something which is concerned about economic equality.

00:19:02.420 It's about these subjective identities, such as men who believe that they're women,

00:19:08.480 or in the case of Aboriginal policy, the genocide survivor identity.

00:19:14.680 So, so Aboriginal people who believe that they are survivors of genocide.

00:19:19.520 The idea of wokeism in universities is that you must affirm that identity, even if you believe it's not true.

00:19:30.880 So if you don't believe that a man can become a woman and you say so, 0.99

00:19:36.080 you will be subjected to all sorts of harassment investigations and perhaps a human rights investigation.

00:19:43.900 And then the same thing to do with the Aboriginal policy and the whole idea of the residential schools being genocidal is that questioning that will be seen as harassment and will be seen as making Aboriginal scholars and students not feel safe.

00:20:03.000 And in order for those members of what's considered to feel that they belong at a university, people who question them have to be removed.

00:20:16.360 And that's basically what happened to me.

00:20:17.880 And it's still being argued that I should not be reinstated because I claim that there are only two sexes and I am critical of the view that there's such a thing as Indigenous science.

00:20:31.840 This was revealed at the arbitration hearing as to why I cannot be reinstated because there's this friction that exists between me and my colleagues.

00:20:41.800 But the friction is that my colleagues cannot tolerate, some of my colleagues cannot tolerate views that are critical of theirs.

00:20:51.840 And that is the huge kinds of issue that's going on.

00:20:54.500 And so what happens is I've been trying to give talks on academic freedom in my case and also the Kamloops, the grave error at Kamloops.

00:21:05.160 That was the other talk.

00:21:06.340 And when I try to give these talks, what happens is that in University of Regina and the University of Lethbridge, my talks were cancelled because it was claimed that they would cause harm to people in the university.

00:21:21.980 And in Regina, it was that it was a safety and security threat.

00:21:27.000 And so if you don't mind me just interrupting, what is this harm?

00:21:31.420 What is this safety threat?

00:21:32.880 You mentioned it a few moments ago, too, that these safety teams are approaching you and saying that we can't have you speaking out about these things.

00:21:43.920 When did, especially in the university setting, when did words become a weapon and when did the university stop becoming a beacon of liberty and free speech and open discourse?

00:22:00.540 Yes.

00:22:01.520 Well, it started about, you really noticed the change in 2014.

00:22:07.120 And there is a social scientist whose name is Jonathan Haidt.

00:22:13.540 He and Greg Lucchiano wrote a book called The Coddling of the American Mind.

00:22:19.700 And they're talking about this safetyism kind of mentality, which is connected to a particular kind of parenting style.

00:22:28.100 But what you find is that it's not safety, this psychological safety, so that people should be protected from hearing views that are upsetting to them, that they find offensive, these sorts of things.

00:22:41.880 But it's not everyone.

00:22:44.060 Like, that's kind of the key issue is that not everyone, it's argued that should be made to feel safe.

00:22:51.440 So, for example, if I'm putting forth a critical viewpoint and so on about Aboriginal policy or trans activism, no one cares about whether I feel safe or not.

00:23:02.780 Exactly.

00:23:03.080 They care about the people who are putting forward the views about trans activism or that the Aboriginal residential schools were genocidal. 0.92

00:23:11.580 So, it's tied up with the whole woke mentality, which is the argument that in order for Aboriginal people, trans people you identify as trans, to empower themselves, they need to have people affirm who they are.

00:23:33.580 And that's going to be what is going to empower them to overcome their oppression.

00:23:37.400 So, there's a lot of arguments that you'll see in the universities that are really oriented towards trying to stop people from critically analyzing the views of these selected groups.

00:23:52.560 And that really came into existence in, you know, beginning around 2010 and then getting worse and worse and worse until 2020.

00:24:01.700 And then it just became completely authoritarian and you're not allowed to crush anything anymore.

00:24:08.520 And our former Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, has been a great perpetrator of these issues, like the woke issues.

00:24:16.760 We see him, you know, coming out with all of this dismay about the so-called remains that were found, even though remains were never found, this emotional support that we see for the trans crowd and the pride crowd and everything like this.

00:24:34.300 And I think reasonable Canadians, they love and accept Indigenous people and people of different gender identities.

00:24:45.440 That's not really the issue.

00:24:46.960 You mentioned that the issue is that these people need to be affirmed.

00:24:51.740 And so, I think that's a very fascinating seed to pick apart because you see it being infiltrated more and more into our society.

00:25:06.020 So, schools have the pride flags.

00:25:10.080 For the last few weekends, we've seen pride parades in city streets with grown men walking around essentially naked.

00:25:18.360 In terms of the Indigenous stuff, the land acknowledgments before hockey games or any kind of civil event and not just land acknowledgments now, but prayers and drum circles that is quite expected to be accepted by common Canadians.

00:25:42.420 And taken on as their own, which further undermines the identity of Canadians.

00:25:49.840 So many of these micro-compromises need to take place.

00:25:56.180 So, how do you see things progressing in the next five years or so?

00:26:01.820 Like, what needs to happen for Canada to get its roots down again and to not be so offended over these ideas and that people can really focus on what matters, like individual identity and freedom and family and faith, whatever people's faith might be.

00:26:22.880 What needs to happen in order to see a return to that kind of saneness in Canada?

00:26:27.400 And it's a widespread, it's a very, very deeply entrenched problem because it's not just the Liberals and Trudeau that were responsible for this.

00:26:37.100 For example, with the genocide claim, all members of the House of Commons declared that the residential schools were genocidal.

00:26:45.080 That's an important point to make.

00:26:46.800 It's not just one party.

00:26:47.980 No, and so it seems to be something that is really deeply ensconced within the political and legal fabric.

00:26:54.600 In terms of fighting against it, you know, Mia Hughes, who is, I spent some time with her in Ottawa, you know, talking about the trans issue.

00:27:03.940 And we actually went to Parliament Hill and during the pride flag raising ceremony and made all sorts of criticisms of it there and did some Spectrum Street epistemology there.

00:27:14.420 She said that she was hoping for a social contagion of courage amongst people.

00:27:20.840 And Catherine Cronus about the land acknowledgements just did something very simple, just made the school board take note that she did not agree with this practice. 0.60

00:27:32.040 And so people can do those sorts of things, just let it be known that you don't, you don't have to be nasty or disruptive or anything.

00:27:41.540 You just let people know and courage begets courage, cowardice begets cowardice.

00:27:46.380 And so if you're able to find space to just make it be known that you don't agree, other people will be watching and they might take some courage from that.

00:27:56.520 In terms of the university, the weapon, because they cancel talks, they seem to be allowed to do that because they have control over their space.

00:28:06.020 The weapon in universities is what's called Spectrum Street epistemology.

00:28:10.460 You don't need space.

00:28:12.080 You just take in these seven mats, disagree, agree, neutral.

00:28:17.600 You lay those mats out and you have claims like we did at Thompson Rivers University, which is the remains of 215 children have been found.

00:28:27.020 That was the claim.

00:28:28.040 Do you strongly agree with that?

00:28:29.460 Do you strongly disagree with that?

00:28:31.340 And we had Jenna, who was a person who taught international students there.

00:28:36.520 She was in strong agreement because she thought excavations had been done.

00:28:41.460 Hal was in strong disagreement because he was saying that there's only been ground penetrating radar that's been done.

00:28:47.600 And that's not an indication of remains.

00:28:50.100 And so we had this incredible conversation between Jenna and Hal with me moderating, which allowed all of us to come to a better understanding.

00:29:00.700 And we reached the conclusion that what was needed was excavations at the Kamloops site to come to an understanding of whether remains were actually there or not.

00:29:12.120 So every single professor who's concerned about this, every student who's concerned about this in universities, just get out those Spectrum Street epistemology mats and start talking about these claims, which are now, you know, not being discussed because of the terrible climate of self-censorship that exists at universities.

00:29:34.120 And most people, I do not think rational people agree that a university should be an area where everyone's afraid to state what they think is true, because if we can't do it at the university, we're not going to be able to do it anywhere in Canada.

00:29:48.720 And we will lose the liberal democratic features that have made our country able to function so well in the past.

00:29:57.100 How disappointing if that would be the case.

00:29:59.540 Yes.

00:29:59.780 Yes.

00:30:00.180 Well, you know, you also offer a story of hope that there is a way for Canadians to start being honest with one another.

00:30:07.340 And it's a terrible story that was told about these alleged remains, but it's still just a story as it is now.

00:30:15.220 So unfortunately, we do have to wrap up soon.

00:30:17.820 We could talk about this all evening, I'm sure.

00:30:21.300 But first, before we let you go, why don't you just let me know what people can expect?

00:30:25.300 You said that this was a series of documentaries.

00:30:27.620 Yes.

00:30:27.780 So what are you looking to focus on in the next one?

00:30:31.440 And maybe you can also just let us know about what's happening with Mount Royale University, the appeals process, before we wrap it up today.

00:30:39.620 Yes.

00:30:39.960 So the second documentary is going to be actually on what happened in Kamloops.

00:30:46.200 We have a number of different posts.

00:30:47.500 We have a whole bunch of footage that we took in Kamloops.

00:30:50.260 And so we're currently sifting through that footage, trying to shape it into different stories.

00:30:55.760 One of them, of course, is about the university and how this was a major factor in the perpetuation of the falsehood, Thompson Rivers University.

00:31:06.500 But we also have the school board and the role that the school board played.

00:31:10.200 We have the media, which played a terrible role in Kamloops.

00:31:15.300 And there's been no retractions, no apologies, and they published it as though it were fact.

00:31:21.800 Yes.

00:31:22.120 And that is a huge blow to journalistic integrity.

00:31:26.660 Yes.

00:31:26.980 And other publications, and not just in Canada, but across the world.

00:31:30.620 Exactly.

00:31:31.120 Picked up on this big scandal that turns out to be baseless.

00:31:35.500 Yes.

00:31:35.720 And Kamloops, CFJC, that's the outlet, got the scoop to announce this claim.

00:31:42.180 They, the James Peters, who is the person who got the scoop, he's continued to say things like being skeptical.

00:31:49.940 There's only one reason that people are skeptical is because they're racist, these kinds of claims.

00:31:54.720 So that would be good to do the media, a segment on the media.

00:31:58.460 And so we're going to, is the coverage to some extent is going to shape that.

00:32:01.960 But we're hoping to have a series of, you know, the instances of institutional failure that allowed this falsehood to be perpetuated.

00:32:11.360 And in terms of my case, it's being appealed to the Alberta Labor Relations Board and Mount Royal University will be held to account for what it did with respect to my case.

00:32:25.300 And even if we are not successful, I would like it to go as far as the Supreme Court of Canada and to have all these judges put down their reasoning as to why that was an acceptable outcome.

00:32:41.920 To push a tenured professor out of that institution, who was just asking questions and trying to pursue the truth.

00:32:49.120 But because those questions were disliked by various scholar activists in that institutions, I can no longer be able to return to Mount Royal University.

00:32:59.640 And if that case, if my case is not successful, universities are over in Canada.

00:33:05.220 It would just be an absolutely terrible precedent.

00:33:08.200 So we have to do everything that we can to make sure that I can get reinstated at Mount Royal University.

00:33:13.880 I can return to that university tomorrow and completely be functional doing my teaching and my research.

00:33:21.200 And that because of these scholars who say they feel unsafe when I'm there, they're claiming that that cannot happen.

00:33:29.020 Wow. What a case for our times.

00:33:32.320 Yes. So all the best to you on that, Frances.

00:33:35.920 And we look forward to following up with you as things progress and when the next segment of your documentary comes out.

00:33:42.240 So thanks so much for joining us in the studio, speaking with us about what's going on with all of this.

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HANNAFORD： What remains？ Inside Dr. Frances Widdowson's expedition to Kamloops

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